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Speaker 1: And welcome to lay Cake on the air. It is

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Speaker 1: Sunday Night, June twentieth year of our Lord, twenty twenty one.

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Speaker 1: When I say we're jam packed, we're jam packed, and

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Speaker 1: we're going to end the show a little bit different,

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Speaker 1: in fact, a lot different. Director Emeritus Colin, I can't

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Speaker 1: ever remember us ending a show like we're going to tonight.

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Speaker 1: Give you more details in just a second. We've got

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Speaker 1: big ten swing games tonight. We got blue chip ratio tonight,

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Speaker 1: which essentially is our way and by our I mean

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Speaker 1: Bud Elliot's way around here of narrowing down teams who

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Speaker 1: could possibly win a national title this year. The list

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Speaker 1: How about the coaches under the most pressure in college football?

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Speaker 1: I don't do a whole lot of hot seat talk,

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Speaker 1: but we had a submission from Heath, one of our

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Speaker 1: longtime listeners for the lay Cack Extra podcast, and we

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Speaker 1: he wanted his question answered there. But I said, you

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Speaker 1: we can take it many different directions to the point

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Speaker 1: where let's just do it on the Sunday night show.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to answer that. And also, we had

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Speaker 1: such great feedback from our Thursday Late Kick Extra podcast. Again,

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Speaker 1: we do Q and eight's audio only, so you never

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Speaker 1: going to do tonight. I had a dude named Corbin

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Speaker 1: submit a question, and he asked me, how did lake

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Speaker 1: Kik get to twenty four to seven because a lot

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Speaker 1: this all happen? And I've never really told that full story.

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Speaker 1: So if you're interested in that, we're not going to

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Speaker 1: be interested, but if you're interested in that, I'm going

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Speaker 1: the end of tonight's show, so we can have it

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Speaker 1: live shows on YouTube, you can hear that. It's you know,

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Speaker 1: have a traditional route into whatever industry you're trying to

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much for man giving us a lot

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Speaker 1: of traction. When we say no, oh season, you guys

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Speaker 1: just confirm it every single week. These numbers are better

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Speaker 1: and better. And a happy Father's Day. By the way,

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Speaker 1: of charge. Send it out. Let's get this thing done.

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Speaker 1: I told you Heath sent a message to us for

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Speaker 1: and he sent a question in the form of kind

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Speaker 1: Oregon just search. Oregon is now sitting there at ninth, tenth, eleventh,

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Speaker 1: twelfth place, a tie for twelfth. And that is the

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Speaker 1: only team other than USC that's out on the West

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Speaker 1: Coast or anywhere close to the West Coast that's on

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Speaker 1: this list. And Oregon does not have the benefit of

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Speaker 1: being parked in southern California, and they have searched. The

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Speaker 1: Oregon Ducks have surged and they will not go anywhere

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Speaker 1: but up on this list. So an important note here again,

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Speaker 1: being on the list doesn't guarantee you anything, but it

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Speaker 1: is a parameter, it's prerequisite. If you're not on the list,

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Speaker 1: then it does mean something. It means history says you

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Speaker 1: will not win a national championship this year. Now, I

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Speaker 1: know the takeaways. So I'm gonna save you some time.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna do you a favor. I'm gonna save you

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Speaker 1: some time. If you're headed to the comments section right now,

445
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Speaker 1: you're probably tempted to say one of the following things.

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Speaker 1: What about three stars? Are you saying three stars never

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Speaker 1: pan out? What about this guy in the NFL draft

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Speaker 1: or that form or two star? No, I'm not saying

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Speaker 1: that at all. First off, according to our rating system,

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Speaker 1: A three star player is a very good player. Somewhere

451
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Speaker 1: along the lines that got misinterpreted, A three star player

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Speaker 1: is a very good player. What we are talking about

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Speaker 1: is not a case by case any overwhelming rule that

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Speaker 1: you develop in life or in college football recruiting. You

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Speaker 1: will always be able to cherry pick exceptions to those rules.

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Speaker 1: I would recommend you don't look at this thing with

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Speaker 1: a magnifying glass right there at ground level. I would

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Speaker 1: suggest you zoom it out and you go fifty thousand

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Speaker 1: feet and you view it strictly in the aggregate. In

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Speaker 1: the aggregate, this balances out star ratings win in the aggregate.

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Speaker 1: You look at the NFL draft numbers and how overwhelmingly

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Speaker 1: more favorable you have in terms of chances of being

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Speaker 1: a first round draft pick if you're a five star

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Speaker 1: high school player, or being a draft pick if you're

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Speaker 1: an All American, if you're a four star or five

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Speaker 1: star high school player. Point being, yes, there are exceptions.

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Speaker 1: View it in the aggregate, and it really carries a

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Speaker 1: lot of weight. You also may be saying, well, developments,

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Speaker 1: really what matters, not the star rating? Now both of

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Speaker 1: them matter. Development only matters if you've got an edge

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Speaker 1: in development and the talent is otherwise equal, or maybe

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Speaker 1: you're going against the more talented team but they don't

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Speaker 1: develop well and you do. But here's the problem. Remember

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Speaker 1: the context we're talking about trying to win a championship.

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Speaker 1: When you're trying to win a championship, you're eventually going

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Speaker 1: to run up on Clemson or Alabama or Ohio State.

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Speaker 1: Those places are loaded with talent and they're a plus

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Speaker 1: at developing it. So you have to be close to

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Speaker 1: on par with them talent wise to compete with them,

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Speaker 1: not make an eleven seed in a twelve team playoff

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Speaker 1: win a championship. That's what we're talking about here, And

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Speaker 1: so again, if you properly interpret recruiting rankings, then this

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Speaker 1: makes sense. But as sure as I say that, I'll

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Speaker 1: get in the comment section and I'll have some of

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Speaker 1: the things that I just mentioned pop up. But I

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Speaker 1: really think this is fun. If you want to find this,

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Speaker 1: head over to twenty four to seven sports dot com.

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Speaker 1: It's still there. If it's not on the front page,

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Speaker 1: google blue Chip Rating and you'll find it very very quickly.

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Speaker 1: Different turn here that I want to take on the

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Speaker 1: show than we normally do on the late Kick Extra

492
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Speaker 1: podcast on Thursday, which we release every Tuesday and Thursday morning.

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Speaker 1: You can find the Late Kick podcast wherever you get

494
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Speaker 1: your podcasts. We release a product on Tuesday and Thursday

495
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Speaker 1: that's audio only. You don't see it on the YouTube channel.

496
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Speaker 1: And I take Q and A. It's all mailbag, and

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Speaker 1: so Corbin submits a question and he said, how did

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Speaker 1: lake Kit get to twenty four to seven? Essentially what

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Speaker 1: he was talking about is, at once, upont a time,

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Speaker 1: you were independent, you had your own YouTube channel, and

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Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you're here. And I've shared

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Speaker 1: bits and pieces of that, but I've never really told

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Speaker 1: that story, and so I chose to just carve out

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Speaker 1: some time at the end of the podcast, just like

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Speaker 1: we are at the end of the show. And we

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Speaker 1: got such overwhelming feedback on it. I mean, by the

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Speaker 1: time the day was over, dozens and dozens of you,

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Speaker 1: I don't maybe hundreds had submitted emails or dms and

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Speaker 1: said I love that story. Tell more of those. So

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Speaker 1: I figured we ought to put this on the YouTube

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Speaker 1: channel cause a lot of you just watched the show

512
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Speaker 1: here and you don't listen to the podcast, and so

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Speaker 1: I wanted to give you a chance to hear this.

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Speaker 1: A lot of you are going to be interested in this,

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Speaker 1: and I think there's a lot to be taken away

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Speaker 1: from it, even if you're not in sports media. You know,

517
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Speaker 1: if you just like the show, but maybe you know

518
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Speaker 1: you drive trucks for a living. There's a lot, I

519
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Speaker 1: think to be learned from the atypical path that some

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Speaker 1: of us, myself included, had to take to rise up to,

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Speaker 1: you know, any kind of relative stature in the sports

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Speaker 1: media industry. So this is the exact audio from our

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Speaker 1: Thursday Late Kick Extra podcast Take a Listen. Corbyn submits

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Speaker 1: the question. He said, would you be able to give

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Speaker 1: a summary of your broadcast career on the podcast or

526
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Speaker 1: just in an email reply? I hear you often drop

527
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Speaker 1: a reference here and there of different places you've been.

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Speaker 1: I was just curious how you got into broadcasting, where

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Speaker 1: did you start, how did you get involved with CBS

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Speaker 1: in twenty four to seven, and how do you have

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Speaker 1: the platform you currently enjoy. I appreciate this question. One day,

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Speaker 1: probably I'll be able to just do an hour's speaking

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Speaker 1: circuit version of this, cause I think my store is

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Speaker 1: very fun.

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Speaker 2: I think it's very valuable.

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Speaker 1: Though it's valuable because it doesn't matter if you don't

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Speaker 1: have a lick of talent in the world of media.

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Speaker 2: You got talent somewhere. You need to figure out what

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Speaker 2: it is.

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Speaker 1: You need to figure out where it overlaps with your

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Speaker 1: passion and just draw a circle there and find how

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Speaker 1: many careers you can isolate in that little intersection, that

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Speaker 1: circle around the intersection of talent and passion. It should

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Speaker 1: be the focus of everyone's life. You didn't get your

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Speaker 1: talent yourself. Someone gave it to you. It was put

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Speaker 1: inside you. It's there to be used. It's not there

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Speaker 1: to just bottle up and only use in your spare time,

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Speaker 1: or use as a hobby, or don't use at all.

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Speaker 1: And your passion's the same way. It's very beautiful because

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Speaker 1: everyone's unique in that way. No one has the exact

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Speaker 1: combination of talent and passion that you do.

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Speaker 2: And yet we got a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: In our business and in our world that try and

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Speaker 1: emulate others. Where you're not designed to be anyone else,

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Speaker 1: You're designed to be yourself. So anyway, my reason for

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Speaker 1: saying that is I didn't get that for a long time,

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Speaker 1: and so I looked elsewhere for inspiration.

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Speaker 2: Inspiration's fine.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying I haven't been inspired by people, but

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Speaker 1: I was looking to other people as a model of

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Speaker 1: how I should live or how I should approach my career.

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Speaker 1: That's not the way to do it. You can take guidance,

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Speaker 1: you can draw hints and clues, but there's something in

564
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Speaker 1: you that's not in them, and there's something in them

565
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Speaker 1: not in you. So in a lot of ways, it

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Speaker 1: really becomes a waste of time to do that. I'll

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Speaker 1: tell you what happened. I was working construction, knew I

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Speaker 1: didn't want to do it the rest of my life.

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Speaker 1: Learned a lot of lessons there though. Ended up in

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Speaker 1: a fabric warehouse, non air condition this time of year especially,

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Speaker 1: that's just torturous in Georgia. And I would listen to

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Speaker 1: sports talk radio every single day. That was the day,

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Speaker 1: get in, you unload the Southeastern freight truck. You listened

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Speaker 1: to Colin Cowherd at that time at ESPN Radio. You

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Speaker 1: get the lunch, you get back in, you got whatever

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Speaker 1: show on ESPN Radio happens in the afternoon, and then

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Speaker 1: there was an afternoon drive show, and then that's the.

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Speaker 2: End of the day. I mean, that was my entire day.

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Speaker 1: I just listened to sports talk radio all day, loved it,

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Speaker 1: always had been enamored with it. Thought I had a

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Speaker 1: little bit of talent and skill enough to do it,

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Speaker 1: had no clue how to do it. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: a dad who worked at a radio station. I didn't

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Speaker 1: have a mom who was on accountant in Bristol, Connecticut

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Speaker 1: at ESPN. I didn't have a cousin who owned his

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Speaker 1: own conglomerate of local TV stations. I had nothing. I

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Speaker 1: had no contacts, I had no relationships. I didn't have

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Speaker 1: the college degree at the time. Necessary I'm gonna say

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Speaker 1: necessary loosely. I thought it was necessary, But I knew

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Speaker 1: I wanted to do it. I just didn't know how.

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Speaker 1: So I sat in that sample department in that warehouse

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Speaker 1: for a couple of years, and that was my day,

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Speaker 1: every day, not getting any younger. And so the local

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Speaker 1: radio show that was there in Columbus was called the

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Speaker 1: press Box. It was hosted by a guy named Bobby z.

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Speaker 1: He had been a big time FMDJ and several of

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Speaker 1: the big markets, Houston most notably, but he loved sports

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Speaker 1: until he came to Columbus to do sports talk radio,

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Speaker 1: and so I would listen every day. I listened for

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Speaker 1: about a year and I finally got up the nerve

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Speaker 1: to email him or Facebook message him, I think, and

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Speaker 1: I said, can I just come in and watch the show.

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Speaker 1: I've never seen it before, I've never been in a studio.

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Speaker 1: I didn't expect to get an answer, and I got

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Speaker 1: an answer really quick. He said, yeah, come on in,

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Speaker 1: and I started to come in, and I brought in

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Speaker 1: some of my demo material, some of my real material.

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Speaker 1: And all that is for those unfamiliar, is you get

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Speaker 1: yourself in a studio or just put a microphone in

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Speaker 1: front of you record yourself.

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Speaker 2: Boom. You got a demo reel. Hopefully it sounds decent enough.

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Speaker 1: And so I gave it to him. I didn't know

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Speaker 1: if he had listened to it or not. But I

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Speaker 1: got to sit in the radio station and I got

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Speaker 1: to see production happen for the first time. I got

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Speaker 1: to see how you pod someone up when they're coming in.

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Speaker 1: I got to see how you provide audio beds when

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Speaker 1: you're going to do a produced segment. I got to

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Speaker 1: see how call structure was formatted. I got to see

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Speaker 1: how you hit your heart ends and heart outs. I

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Speaker 1: got to see all that stuff, and so it was

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Speaker 1: great because, unbeknownst to myself, I had always observed instead

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Speaker 1: of just listened and watched. I'd always observed, and so

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Speaker 1: a lot of it made sense. You didn't have to

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Speaker 1: tell me twice while you were doing something. Well, a

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Speaker 1: few weeks go by and his co host gets sick

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Speaker 1: one day, and I can come in there, and I

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Speaker 1: can just watch and watch and watch until all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden I get told, hey, punt's not in today.

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Speaker 2: Can you hop on air? And I said, yes, I can.

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Speaker 1: It was a middle of football season, and we took

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Speaker 1: calls for three hours. Highlight of my life. Thought it

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Speaker 1: was the only time I was ever going to be

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Speaker 1: able to do it. We wrap up the show, he

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Speaker 1: says to me, that was a good job. I thought

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Speaker 1: we were going to crash and burn.

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Speaker 2: We didn't.

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Speaker 1: It was a really good job. Appreciate you hopping in

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Speaker 1: on a moment's notice. Where'd you say you would work before?

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Speaker 1: I said, I've never worked before. He thought I was

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Speaker 1: lying to him because I did a good enough job

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Speaker 1: on air that he thought I had made that up.

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Speaker 1: He thought I had been somewhere else and I just

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Speaker 1: came in there and I was lying about not having experience.

645
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Speaker 1: Don't know what since that would make, but he thought

646
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,000
Speaker 1: I was lying. I said, no, I've never worked anywhere.

647
00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: I've never been in media anywhere. And I never got

648
00:29:02,680 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: taken off the air again. I was given a permanent

649
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:06,800
Speaker 1: spot there. It was a three man booth when I

650
00:29:06,840 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: was in there. Because the co host came back, Punk

651
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,280
Speaker 1: came back and I was still in there, and so

652
00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:13,680
Speaker 1: we had some fun. Man, it was so blazing hot

653
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 1: in that studio because there was no air circulation, probably

654
00:29:17,000 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: an ocean violation, but we didn't report it because we

655
00:29:18,920 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: were getting to do sports talk radio and they actually

656
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:22,880
Speaker 1: paid us a little bit of money to do it. Too.

657
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: Legendary shows, very very much flying in the face of

658
00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: what FCC regulations typically allow you to do. But we

659
00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 1: were just enough off the radar where it didn't matter.

660
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,560
Speaker 1: They're in Columbus, Georgia. But that's a big break. But

661
00:29:33,560 --> 00:29:35,480
Speaker 1: I'll tell you where an even bigger break came. And

662
00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I tweeted this out today actually, and it was sort

663
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,440
Speaker 1: of inspired by knowing I was going to talk about this.

664
00:29:40,600 --> 00:29:43,040
Speaker 1: I'm recording in the evening and so you're listening to

665
00:29:43,080 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 1: this the next day. But I knew I was going

666
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: to talk about this tonight, so I tweeted it out

667
00:29:46,120 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: earlier today. I said, the best advice you can ever

668
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:52,160
Speaker 1: have in this line of work, especially, is to treat

669
00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:54,479
Speaker 1: every day like your job interview. This is not a

670
00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 1: classical situation sports media, media in general, it's not a

671
00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,960
Speaker 1: classic situation. If you're in performance based art in general,

672
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 1: you do not get hired because of your job interview,

673
00:30:04,520 --> 00:30:07,040
Speaker 1: or your resume or your college degree. You get hired

674
00:30:07,080 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 1: based on whether you can produce or not. I've interviewed

675
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,920
Speaker 1: for radio, Now, TV and twenty four to seven in CBS.

676
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 1: No one ever even asked me where I went to school.

677
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: They didn't care. They had already seen what they needed

678
00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 1: to see. So my next big break is tied right

679
00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:22,560
Speaker 1: into that. I'm sitting at home one day I get.

680
00:30:22,400 --> 00:30:23,000
Speaker 2: A phone call.

681
00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:25,640
Speaker 1: Phone call is from a general manager at a TV

682
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: station there in Columbus. He said, you don't know this,

683
00:30:27,960 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 1: but I've been listening to you every day driving home

684
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,800
Speaker 1: for about a month. Now I get off work about

685
00:30:31,800 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: the time.

686
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 2: You're on radio.

687
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:35,000
Speaker 1: Me and the sales team over here we got an idea.

688
00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:37,080
Speaker 1: We want to do a five night per week live

689
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: college football call in.

690
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: Show on TV. You want to do it?

691
00:30:40,880 --> 00:30:42,880
Speaker 1: I said, yeah, I think I do, And so I

692
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 1: start at WLTZ there in Columbus, Georgia. Ended up being

693
00:30:46,280 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 1: the sports anchor there too, and the sports director in time.

694
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 1: Not qualified to be blatantly honest with you. Coworkers knew

695
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:55,520
Speaker 1: I wouldn't qualified. There may been a little bit of animosity.

696
00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 1: I don't blame them one bit. Overtime, those people became

697
00:30:58,160 --> 00:31:01,360
Speaker 1: my best friends. So what happened was I finally got

698
00:31:01,440 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 1: to do TV. Had never done it before, never never never,

699
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:06,280
Speaker 1: had never been in a TV studio. The first time

700
00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: I was ever in a TV studio, I was on

701
00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,280
Speaker 1: live TV. First time I ever read a teleprompter or

702
00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 1: looked at a camera or did a transition three shot

703
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:17,280
Speaker 1: to one shot. I was on TV live. Didn't get

704
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: any practice. It was rough for a little while, and

705
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:24,760
Speaker 1: that was just the sports anchoring portion, formatting and blocking

706
00:31:24,840 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: and producing the actual college football show. That was a

707
00:31:28,320 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: whole bigger choor in and of itself.

708
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:31,040
Speaker 2: But we grew that thing over time.

709
00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 1: We had a really hardcore audience there in Columbus. You'd

710
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:36,920
Speaker 1: call them a p one audience. If you're in radio

711
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: but they are die hard. They're there every night. We

712
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,680
Speaker 1: were hitting at ten o'clock on the D two channel

713
00:31:41,720 --> 00:31:45,240
Speaker 1: to CW channel there, but we had viewers and we

714
00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:48,240
Speaker 1: did pretty good, and so we keep doing that and

715
00:31:48,360 --> 00:31:50,240
Speaker 1: keep doing that. A couple of years ago by I

716
00:31:50,280 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: got a buddy named Jonathan Rivers that I co hosted

717
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,120
Speaker 1: the show with some of the most fun times.

718
00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:55,280
Speaker 2: We ever had.

719
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 1: We were also just to get extra practice in doing

720
00:31:57,920 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 1: an extra Friday night three hour radio show over at

721
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:04,880
Speaker 1: WCUG the Cougar on the corner of ninth and broad

722
00:32:04,920 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 1: as the Columbus State University Radio station. I had a

723
00:32:08,280 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 1: large part in helping to build and format that entity entirely.

724
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,400
Speaker 1: We were some of the first programming, especially long form

725
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:17,080
Speaker 1: live programming, that they ever played there. And so Jonathan

726
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: and I we do that show at WLTZ for a

727
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:22,160
Speaker 1: little while. Football Nightly down South. Never forget that name

728
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: as long as I live. And one day I'm looking

729
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: on my phone or just on my laptop and I'm

730
00:32:28,320 --> 00:32:31,680
Speaker 1: on Facebook and I see a Facebook live stream. Never

731
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:33,719
Speaker 1: seen it before. It was a brand new feature. YouTube

732
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 1: live wasn't around yet. I saw a Facebook live stream,

733
00:32:36,640 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: and you know how sometimes you hear people tell stories

734
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,600
Speaker 1: about the past and they say, I knew this second

735
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 1: I saw this, or I knew the second.

736
00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:43,920
Speaker 2: I saw that.

737
00:32:44,000 --> 00:32:46,280
Speaker 1: Most of the time, it's bs. Most of the time,

738
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,120
Speaker 1: the big realizations in your life, they don't happen just

739
00:32:50,240 --> 00:32:53,239
Speaker 1: like that, They happen over time. Well, friends, this is

740
00:32:53,480 --> 00:32:56,400
Speaker 1: one of the very few realizations that it took me

741
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:59,960
Speaker 1: a microsecond to realize. I knew the second I saw

742
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:03,680
Speaker 1: Facebook live stream the entire world was changing. I knew

743
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:07,040
Speaker 1: I needed to change my entire world. I knew that's

744
00:33:07,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 1: where the future is. That is how I take what

745
00:33:09,840 --> 00:33:12,720
Speaker 1: I want to be a national voice and a national

746
00:33:12,720 --> 00:33:16,320
Speaker 1: approach to college football and actually reach the masses with it.

747
00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 1: Here's how you can't understand unless you're in media how

748
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 1: big this was. This was a Berlin Wall moment in

749
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:27,240
Speaker 1: sports media. The two main roadblocks that would stand between

750
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:30,760
Speaker 1: myself or anyone else even remotely in my shoes and

751
00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:34,520
Speaker 1: making it nationally were overhead and distribution. It's why we

752
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,880
Speaker 1: idolized sports center anchors or ESPN radio hosts growing up.

753
00:33:38,920 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: There were so few of them, and we viewed them

754
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: almost in a deified manner because they were somewhere that

755
00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: you probably can never get because of overhead and distribution.

756
00:33:49,080 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: Overhead meaning you need massive studios and massive infrastructure. And

757
00:33:54,120 --> 00:33:58,360
Speaker 1: then more importantly, really the second part is distribution. How

758
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 1: are they taking your product and getting it to someone

759
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:05,040
Speaker 1: in Tupelo, Mississippi and Salem, Oregon. At the same time,

760
00:34:05,440 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: it used to be called syndication, and it still is.

761
00:34:08,480 --> 00:34:09,760
Speaker 2: That was the only way.

762
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:12,320
Speaker 1: And then all of a sudden, we've got the largest

763
00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,439
Speaker 1: social platform on the face of the earth. There were

764
00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,440
Speaker 1: already several billion people on Facebook at the time, and

765
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 1: you're telling me that platform has a live streaming mechanism.

766
00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,120
Speaker 1: You cannot possibly understand how big that was. I mean,

767
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:29,040
Speaker 1: I didn't sleep for nearly a week just envisioning what

768
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,080
Speaker 1: that could be. So here's what I started to do.

769
00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: I don't know footage of this still exists, but here's

770
00:34:33,200 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 1: what I started to do. I had been promoted to

771
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: news anchor since that point, so I'm news anchoring. I'm

772
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: anchoring the six o'clock news. When we get off air,

773
00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,280
Speaker 1: I take my jacket off. I go in our control

774
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:45,560
Speaker 1: room because it looks really cool. A lot of buttons

775
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:49,400
Speaker 1: and monitors and looks like a NASA space station in Houston,

776
00:34:49,760 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 1: and so I start taking my cell phone and just

777
00:34:52,800 --> 00:34:56,000
Speaker 1: doing Facebook live videos and doing college football the way

778
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 1: I want to do it. And management catches on about

779
00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,240
Speaker 1: a week into that, General man me into his office

780
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,560
Speaker 1: and says, what is this. I say, that's just something

781
00:35:04,560 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: I'm doing on the side. He said, well, it looks

782
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:08,799
Speaker 1: to me like you're doing it in my control room,

783
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: and it looks to me like you're on the clock here,

784
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:13,319
Speaker 1: so it's on company time, and it doesn't look like

785
00:35:13,400 --> 00:35:15,400
Speaker 1: I could stand to make a dime from this, So

786
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: what point is there in letting you do this? And

787
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have a rebuttal of course he's right. He's

788
00:35:21,560 --> 00:35:23,200
Speaker 1: not saying anything I wouldn't say if I were in

789
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:25,319
Speaker 1: his shoes. But man, that lit a fire under me,

790
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: because I, for the first time shifted from thinking that

791
00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:31,319
Speaker 1: was a golden opportunity I had to a place that

792
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 1: I was stuck. So I had about a year left

793
00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,160
Speaker 1: on my contract at that point. I took the next

794
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,040
Speaker 1: year to plan and plan and plan. I knew exactly

795
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do. I knew exactly how I

796
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:42,399
Speaker 1: wanted to do it. I learned YouTube in that year,

797
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 1: and I learned that I wanted to be a multi

798
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: platform streaming product that I owned. It comes time to

799
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 1: negotiate contract. I get called into the news director's office

800
00:35:53,120 --> 00:35:56,200
Speaker 1: with a general manager. They offered to extend me several years.

801
00:35:56,239 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 1: It would have been really good money, I mean unheard

802
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:01,080
Speaker 1: of money from me at the time, and I declined

803
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:04,520
Speaker 1: it because it was not going to include the opportunity

804
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,880
Speaker 1: to produce my own show that I owned on my

805
00:36:08,040 --> 00:36:10,920
Speaker 1: own platform, and it was just not something that they

806
00:36:10,920 --> 00:36:13,160
Speaker 1: were going to bend on. And so we stale made

807
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,200
Speaker 1: it on my contracts coming up, I have not renewed,

808
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,359
Speaker 1: and it looks like we're just going to say all's well,

809
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: that ends well, we go our separate ways. One day

810
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:24,719
Speaker 1: before my contract expires, I get called back in and

811
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 1: they had essentially been sweating me, and so it didn't

812
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:29,560
Speaker 1: work because I had no intention of resigning if I

813
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: could not do what I wanted to do. And so

814
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,080
Speaker 1: I get called back in and I said, what is

815
00:36:33,120 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 1: the deal, Like, what do you have lined up?

816
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 2: Said?

817
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:37,440
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything lined up, and that was the truth.

818
00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: I didn't have anything lined up. I was going to

819
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:41,360
Speaker 1: go somewhere and start a YouTube channel. That's what I

820
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,160
Speaker 1: was going to do. I was that confident in the

821
00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:45,480
Speaker 1: vision I had. I had no guarantee. I mean, I

822
00:36:45,520 --> 00:36:48,719
Speaker 1: was broke already, and so they said, what can we

823
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: do here? I mean, we got to figure something out.

824
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,400
Speaker 1: We cannot let you, as a salaried employee, do what

825
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: you want to do. And so we figured out a

826
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 1: work around. I offered to work ten ninety nine status

827
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:00,799
Speaker 1: for him, fractions of the money they would have paid me.

828
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: I'm not employed, so you don't have to give me benefits.

829
00:37:03,600 --> 00:37:05,759
Speaker 1: I'll still be your news anchor. But here's what I

830
00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,200
Speaker 1: want in return. I want an hour of studio time

831
00:37:08,280 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: three nights a week, and the ability to bring my

832
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 1: own crew in here. And we want to film live

833
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,359
Speaker 1: a YouTube college football show. And they agreed to it

834
00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:18,360
Speaker 1: very quickly.

835
00:37:18,400 --> 00:37:19,000
Speaker 2: They agreed to it.

836
00:37:19,040 --> 00:37:20,759
Speaker 1: They made sure the studio time was blocked off, and

837
00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 1: they agreed to it. And thought that they had kind

838
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:23,600
Speaker 1: of won up to me there.

839
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:25,600
Speaker 2: They hadn't. They just didn't know it yet.

840
00:37:25,680 --> 00:37:28,360
Speaker 1: So I was making no money, really do I was

841
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:31,120
Speaker 1: making fifty or seventy five dollars per newscast? Do you

842
00:37:31,160 --> 00:37:33,440
Speaker 1: want to do the math on that? And I but

843
00:37:33,480 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: we started our show, we built our own set. We

844
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:37,840
Speaker 1: had to build it every night. We had to wheel

845
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:39,319
Speaker 1: it in there and wheel it out of there every night.

846
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 1: And we did that show, and we called it Late

847
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: Kick Live with Josh Pate, the exact same name it's

848
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:47,200
Speaker 1: gotten now. And we did it on YouTube just like

849
00:37:47,280 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 1: it's done now. And we started to grow that subscriber base,

850
00:37:50,280 --> 00:37:53,680
Speaker 1: and we reached the necessary benchmarks to monetize that thing.

851
00:37:53,800 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 1: And over the span of about eight months, I was

852
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,040
Speaker 1: making more on that YouTube channel than I had been

853
00:37:59,080 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: making at the news station, and a year in I

854
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:03,880
Speaker 1: was making more than I would have been making on

855
00:38:04,120 --> 00:38:05,959
Speaker 1: salary there. I was on top of the world.

856
00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:06,120
Speaker 2: Man.

857
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: I was so happy because it paid off. I mean

858
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,000
Speaker 1: it looked like there was legitimate traction. I mean we

859
00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: were getting some attention. LSU put us in their hype

860
00:38:14,560 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: video the week before they played Bama in twenty nineteen.

861
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:18,320
Speaker 2: Here was the kicker.

862
00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: Though.

863
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Speaker 2: Since I was still associated with the news.

864
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Speaker 1: Station, I could get credentialed to games under wltz's name,

865
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: and so I could go shoot my own b roll.

866
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Speaker 2: See.

867
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Speaker 1: The big roadblock for a lot of content creators is

868
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Speaker 1: they don't have rights and licensing to any video. They

869
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: don't have elements to use. I was able to do

870
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:38,680
Speaker 1: a workaround because I could be credentialed to games and

871
00:38:38,719 --> 00:38:42,080
Speaker 1: go shoot my own footage and have my own library

872
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 1: of b roll and it gave me a huge leg up,

873
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 1: as did being able to produce a show on YouTube

874
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,160
Speaker 1: out of a full working TV studio. Could literally have

875
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: never guessed what was about to happen. November of twenty nineteen.

876
00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: Show's doing really good. We are really really high on

877
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,160
Speaker 1: LSU ahead of time, it pays off. We're riding a

878
00:39:00,239 --> 00:39:02,960
Speaker 1: wave of momentum. We're starting to get traction, We're starting

879
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:06,399
Speaker 1: to be seen enough by college football diehards that it's

880
00:39:06,480 --> 00:39:08,840
Speaker 1: on people's radars. And I get a call in November

881
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: of twenty nineteen from Shannon Terry, who was, as you know,

882
00:39:12,200 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: the CEO of twenty four seven Sports at the time.

883
00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:16,680
Speaker 1: I let it go to voicemail. I didn't recognize the number.

884
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,719
Speaker 1: I thought it was spam. It's probably a story I'll

885
00:39:18,719 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: tell until the end of time. Yeah, I noticed the

886
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:22,359
Speaker 1: name pretty quick on the voicemail, so I call him back.

887
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:25,440
Speaker 1: He said, in not so many words, he said, I

888
00:39:25,480 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: know that you don't realize this, but we've been watching you.

889
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 1: I've been watching your stuff for about a month and

890
00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 1: a half or two months. I can't believe you're Once

891
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 1: he heard my story, he said, I can't believe you're

892
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 1: able to pull that off. You shouldn't be able to

893
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: pull that off. But I want you to come pull

894
00:39:38,960 --> 00:39:41,560
Speaker 1: it off here. We don't even know fully what we

895
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:44,360
Speaker 1: want you to do. Whatever you're going to do, I

896
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:46,399
Speaker 1: want you doing it here. I want you to come

897
00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:48,919
Speaker 1: here and create for us at twenty four to seven

898
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:51,799
Speaker 1: and CBS and so I talked with him for about

899
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:53,920
Speaker 1: the next two weeks. We worked a contract out, and

900
00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 1: I got here in January of twenty twenty and sure enough,

901
00:39:57,320 --> 00:40:00,239
Speaker 1: everything I was promised has been followed through on. I

902
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: was given full naming rights, full creative control over my show,

903
00:40:04,120 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 1: full production executive production status of my show. No one

904
00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:10,520
Speaker 1: to this point in time at twenty four to seven

905
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 1: or CBS has ever stepped in and told me a

906
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:15,680
Speaker 1: thing to put on that show. They've never told me

907
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,719
Speaker 1: a thing to take out of the show. They've never

908
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:20,200
Speaker 1: told me not to do anything on the show. So

909
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,120
Speaker 1: I want you to think about that two year swing.

910
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:26,359
Speaker 1: You're going from being one day away from being unemployed

911
00:40:26,719 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: to two years later. One of the biggest media companies

912
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 1: on planet Earth, handing you the keys to their resources

913
00:40:33,200 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: and saying, hey, why don't you come here and we'll

914
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 1: triple whatever you were making. And by the way, all

915
00:40:39,000 --> 00:40:41,160
Speaker 1: you have to do all day is talk about college football.

916
00:40:41,400 --> 00:40:44,239
Speaker 1: I knew the moment I got here, if we could

917
00:40:44,320 --> 00:40:47,160
Speaker 1: ever just make sure we can get the product in

918
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: front of enough people. I thought you guys would love

919
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: the show because it was going to be your show.

920
00:40:52,080 --> 00:40:54,160
Speaker 1: That's all it's ever been about. That's all it's ever

921
00:40:54,200 --> 00:40:57,799
Speaker 1: been intended to be. But without that distribution, without the

922
00:40:57,800 --> 00:41:00,920
Speaker 1: ability to get your product out like you know, yelling

923
00:41:01,000 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 1: in a forest but there's no one around to hear it.

924
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:04,680
Speaker 2: You can do the best job in the world.

925
00:41:04,840 --> 00:41:06,360
Speaker 1: If you don't know how to market and get your

926
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 1: product out there, it can be rendered irrelevant a lot

927
00:41:09,000 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: of times. But we've gotten it in front of you,

928
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:13,920
Speaker 1: and it's taken off even to a greater extent than

929
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 1: we thought. And I had some pretty lofty goals for it.

930
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:18,799
Speaker 1: But you guys have blown away every goal that I

931
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 1: had for our stuff when we came here. And let

932
00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:23,279
Speaker 1: me tell you what you've done. I talk about this

933
00:41:23,320 --> 00:41:24,799
Speaker 1: a lot. I tell you as much as I can

934
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:26,200
Speaker 1: tell you, and maybe a little bit more than I

935
00:41:26,239 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: can tell you.

936
00:41:26,840 --> 00:41:28,000
Speaker 2: But we get about a year in.

937
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,120
Speaker 1: And all of a sudden, the calls you start getting

938
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,680
Speaker 1: are from CBS Sports and from executives that have been

939
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,720
Speaker 1: all over the media industry and the ones handling your

940
00:41:36,880 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: contract negotiations for your next round. They're right at the

941
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,120
Speaker 1: top of the totem pole. And you got family and

942
00:41:42,120 --> 00:41:45,000
Speaker 1: friends that support you back home constantly hear from them,

943
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:46,880
Speaker 1: and it feels really good. But let me tell you

944
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: the bigger feeling I have, and I'll wrap it up

945
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:51,840
Speaker 1: after this, because this has probably gone on like thirty minutes.

946
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:54,840
Speaker 1: The biggest feeling I have and the biggest source of

947
00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 1: excitement is last year wasn't normal. We got here and

948
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,520
Speaker 1: we started that show on the twenty four to seven

949
00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 1: Sports YouTube channel in the middle of March, and then

950
00:42:04,840 --> 00:42:07,080
Speaker 1: we went into lockdown, and then we didn't know if

951
00:42:07,080 --> 00:42:08,560
Speaker 1: we were going to have a season, and it was

952
00:42:08,600 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: an election year, so everyone's attention was fragmented. We got

953
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 1: fractions of a season. We did not have full investment

954
00:42:15,520 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 1: emotionally from the college football public because it was a

955
00:42:17,800 --> 00:42:20,840
Speaker 1: lot going on last year, and still the show was

956
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 1: an overwhelming success. So what happens now a year in

957
00:42:25,040 --> 00:42:27,720
Speaker 1: we have refused to take an off season, just won't

958
00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:30,520
Speaker 1: do it. And now we're heading headlong in towards a

959
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,799
Speaker 1: season where everything returns to normal, if even normal turned

960
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: up to eleven on the volume scale. We've got a

961
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:40,839
Speaker 1: fully established product, We've got great distribution channels, We've got

962
00:42:40,920 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: great listenership and viewership. We've got new production hires that

963
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: will be made public eventually that really just add new

964
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: dynamics and.

965
00:42:48,640 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 2: Layers to the show.

966
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: What happens when all that comes together, Well, we're going

967
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 1: to make it the biggest college football show in the country.

968
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:55,799
Speaker 1: That's what we're going to do. We're going to make

969
00:42:55,800 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: it the best in the country. We are very appreciative.

970
00:42:58,239 --> 00:43:01,719
Speaker 1: I'm very appreciative, very humble, very honored and blessed to

971
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 1: have the opportunity. Will never take it for granted, have

972
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:06,319
Speaker 1: never taken it for granted a day in my life.

973
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:07,399
Speaker 2: But now that the.

974
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:09,800
Speaker 1: Opportunity is there, we're gonna grab it by the throat.

975
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,040
Speaker 1: There will be none better out there than what we

976
00:43:12,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 1: give you this fall. There will not be a college

977
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:17,400
Speaker 1: football product on planet Earth that's better than what we

978
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 1: give you. With late Kick this fall, So Corbyn, that's

979
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,480
Speaker 1: an up to date picture of the old broadcast career.

980
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: Let me add one more thing in there, because one

981
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:27,560
Speaker 1: of the other huge blessings you have when you can

982
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,520
Speaker 1: work for a major organization like this is we can

983
00:43:30,600 --> 00:43:33,320
Speaker 1: keep the content free. I can keep Late Kick free.

984
00:43:33,640 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: I don't have to charge you. I am not bemoaning

985
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:38,680
Speaker 1: anyone who has to charge for their content. Please don't

986
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:41,960
Speaker 1: misunderstand me. If you're working in the independent world, you

987
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:44,319
Speaker 1: have to get by by any means necessary. That's why

988
00:43:44,400 --> 00:43:46,879
Speaker 1: I'm referring to it as a blessing that we get

989
00:43:46,880 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: to produce for free. The only thing, the only thing

990
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: I ask of you, guys, is follow that Twitter account

991
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: at late kick Josh, follow that Instagram account at late

992
00:43:56,680 --> 00:44:00,359
Speaker 1: kick Josh. Make sure you're subscribing to the twenty four

993
00:44:00,400 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: to seven sports YouTube channel and liking those videos. The

994
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: likes really help. Commenting really helps. But let me tell

995
00:44:05,760 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: you what means the most to me when I see

996
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 1: you guys tweeting out as I've said before, screenshots that

997
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,000
Speaker 1: you're listening to the podcast or you're watching the show

998
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:15,920
Speaker 1: and you tag me in am I try and retweet

999
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:17,560
Speaker 1: as many of them as I can, we get dozens

1000
00:44:17,560 --> 00:44:20,960
Speaker 1: and dozens and dozens per day. That is what means

1001
00:44:21,040 --> 00:44:23,799
Speaker 1: the world because it is the way that this kind

1002
00:44:23,840 --> 00:44:26,560
Speaker 1: of show should be marketed. I don't want to go

1003
00:44:26,640 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 1: to the CBS AD executive folks and say, hey, we

1004
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,399
Speaker 1: need seventy five thousand dollars in our marketing Q one

1005
00:44:32,440 --> 00:44:36,359
Speaker 1: budget because we need to manufacture excitement for the show.

1006
00:44:36,440 --> 00:44:39,319
Speaker 1: That's not the way I've ever successfully been marketed to.

1007
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: It probably doesn't work for you either. But if you

1008
00:44:42,080 --> 00:44:45,680
Speaker 1: see one of your buddies voluntarily on their Instagram story

1009
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:48,640
Speaker 1: or their Twitter account put out evidence that they're listening

1010
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:51,600
Speaker 1: to a show late Kig Cover three, whatever the case

1011
00:44:51,640 --> 00:44:54,080
Speaker 1: may be, that's how you get me, and that's how

1012
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: we grow this show. We're not spending a dime marketing

1013
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,000
Speaker 1: this show. We're not marketing it anywhere. We're counting on you.

1014
00:45:00,080 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 1: That's how we've grown this show. That's how we'll continue

1015
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:04,239
Speaker 1: to grow the show. So that's what I ask you

1016
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,799
Speaker 1: guys to do. Tell your buddies, tell your friends, put

1017
00:45:06,840 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: it out there on your IG accounts and your Twitter accounts.

1018
00:45:09,239 --> 00:45:11,239
Speaker 1: We do that, we will have everything that we want

1019
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,080
Speaker 1: to have with this show. So that was fun. I mean,

1020
00:45:13,239 --> 00:45:16,120
Speaker 1: we tell stories there. Occasionally it's ninety percent college football,

1021
00:45:16,160 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: but sometimes we mix in a ten percent of other

1022
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: That's what we get when you drive the show. It's

1023
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 1: Q and A for a reason. Thank you so much

1024
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: for watching Late Kick Live tonight. Thank you for the

1025
00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: five star reviews. If you listen in the podcast. If

1026
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 1: you're watching on YouTube, please subscribe to the channel and

1027
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 1: click like that little thumbs up on all these videos.

1028
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:36,560
Speaker 1: That really helps us. We're doing really good guys. We're

1029
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,000
Speaker 1: doing phenomenal numbers. So all I'm asking you to do

1030
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,799
Speaker 1: is just keep it up. We keep this show free.

1031
00:45:40,960 --> 00:45:44,399
Speaker 1: Everyone's happy for Director Emeritus Colin, for our entire crew

1032
00:45:44,680 --> 00:45:47,279
Speaker 1: in Fort Lauderdale. I'm Josh. Have yourselves a great start

1033
00:45:47,280 --> 00:46:04,320
Speaker 1: to the week again, Happy Father's Day, and God bless