Speaker 1: Welcome.
Speaker 2: It is Verdict with center, Ted Cruz, Ben Ferguson with
Speaker 2: you live from the Republican National Convention, and we've.
Speaker 1: Got an audience out there. I love it.
Speaker 2: Senator, this is the first morning I have ever woken
Speaker 2: up truly believing that Joe Biden is going to drop
Speaker 2: out of this presidential race. I've never believed it was
Speaker 2: possible before this morning. I want to get your initial
Speaker 2: reaction to that.
Speaker 3: Well, listen, if only someone could have predicted that before
Speaker 3: this week, I know, right. So, for regular Verdict listeners,
Speaker 3: you will recall that this podcast ten months ago, ten
Speaker 3: months ago, we predicted that Joe Biden would drop out
Speaker 3: of this race, that the Democrats would throw him out.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And we predicted ten months ago that he'd be replaced
Speaker 3: by Michelle Obama.
Speaker 4: Yes.
Speaker 3: And at the time, the corporate media treated that prediction
Speaker 3: as utter moon bat insanity, insanity like complex deletely nuts.
Speaker 2: Do we want a prize for ten months ago? By
Speaker 2: the way, I got to give you the brainchild of
Speaker 2: it ten months ago.
Speaker 1: I'll give you full credit. Do we get a prize
Speaker 1: for that?
Speaker 3: I think we certainly should get a prize, But look,
Speaker 3: I think it's going to happen. I think it is
Speaker 3: going to happen within the next week. And we have
Speaker 3: seen we've seen the momentum building and building and building.
Speaker 3: And look, I got to tell you, and you and
Speaker 3: I have talked about this. I have mixed sentiments at
Speaker 3: this convention. On one side, I am thrilled. I am
Speaker 3: excited because the party is unified. It's unified at a
Speaker 3: level I've never seen. I've been to a lot of con.
Speaker 1: A lot of conventions. What was your first one?
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two. I was at nineteen ninety two. I
Speaker 3: had just graduated from college. I was twenty one years old.
Speaker 3: Nineteen ninety two, was in Houston.
Speaker 1: Oh, there you go.
Speaker 4: And it was.
Speaker 3: Actually it was the last public speech Ronald Reagan ever gave.
Speaker 3: And actually just after the convention they announced he had Alzheimer's,
Speaker 3: so it was his last public address.
Speaker 4: And so for his speech, it was very cool.
Speaker 3: Texas de Gation was in front because it was in Houston,
Speaker 3: and they decided they wanted all the college kids down front.
Speaker 3: They wanted to show that the Republican Party is young
Speaker 3: and vibrant. So all the college kids we were in
Speaker 3: that we were put up front. So I was in
Speaker 3: the front row for Reagan's last public address.
Speaker 1: I'm jealous.
Speaker 3: And here's something really cool. At the time, Heidi was
Speaker 3: in college. She was at Claremont McKenna. She was the
Speaker 3: president of the College Republicans at Claremont McKenna out in California.
Speaker 3: She was at the convention and she was in the
Speaker 3: front row with the Texas delegation.
Speaker 4: And we didn't meet. I said, did you meet? No,
Speaker 4: we didn't meet until eight years later. Wow.
Speaker 3: But every time I see photographs of that convention, I
Speaker 3: like scan them to see if someone somehow got a
Speaker 3: picture of Heidi and me standing near each other, because
Speaker 3: we were very close to each other. So the point is,
Speaker 3: I've been to a lot of these I have never
Speaker 3: seen unity like this last couple of days. As you know,
Speaker 3: I've done a ton of media interviews, and you listen
Speaker 3: to the reporters.
Speaker 4: They're losing their minds. They're so unhappy.
Speaker 3: They're like, you guys are so difide yea, and they're furious,
Speaker 3: like it.
Speaker 2: We know not how to screw things up well in
Speaker 2: the Republican Party. When it comes to unity, this does
Speaker 2: feel very different.
Speaker 4: Everyone is on the same page.
Speaker 3: Everyone is united, Everyone wants Trump to win in November.
Speaker 3: Everyone wants to win the Senate, everyone wants to win
Speaker 3: the House. But you and I have also talked about this.
Speaker 3: I'll tell you what I'm scared about. I'm scared about overconfidence.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 3: Look, there is an aspect of this convention that feels
Speaker 3: like a celebration, and I get that. But my message
Speaker 3: to everyone at this convention is it is not time
Speaker 3: to celebrate. We'll celebrate after election day. We need work
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 4: We have a.
Speaker 3: Job in front of us, and listen, I think we're
Speaker 3: going to come out of this convention. I think we'll
Speaker 3: see a bounce in the polls, and then I think
Speaker 3: within days or even hours, the Democrats are going to
Speaker 3: announce Joe Biden is no longer our nominee. They're going
Speaker 3: to pull them off, and the media is going to
Speaker 3: reset the entire race. They're going to do everything they
Speaker 3: can to take away the momentum from this convention, and
Speaker 3: so nobody here should get over confident because this becomes very,
Speaker 3: very dangerous, and the media is going to do everything
Speaker 3: they can to say, well, Joe was old, but now
Speaker 3: we're going to replace them with someone young. Everything solved,
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Speaker 2: the obituary earlier today MSNBC.
Speaker 4: It helps because he's been dead for.
Speaker 1: Three very true.
Speaker 2: They said on I want you to listen to this
Speaker 2: clip because it's an interesting clip.
Speaker 1: And they said on MSNBC they're so ready to be
Speaker 1: done with him.
Speaker 2: They said, Joe Biden, obviously as COVID, and they said
Speaker 2: he is quote self isolating both medically.
Speaker 1: And politically. Listen, get up to dat though, with what's
Speaker 1: happened happening in Milwaukee. Also what you're hearing from the
Speaker 1: Biden campaign.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we'll start with the Biden campaign, Joe, and exactly
Speaker 5: right about the sequencing. So on your air, I talked
Speaker 5: about the fact three weeks ago that there was an
Speaker 5: effort among top Democrats to give President Biden the chance
Speaker 5: to walk off the stage. They said, he is proud,
Speaker 5: he's stubborn, we love him, we appreciate him. We want
Speaker 5: to give him the chance to walk off the stage.
Speaker 5: President Biden, in the view of these top Democrats, did
Speaker 5: not take the hint and the way that one top Democrat,
Speaker 5: someone very close to the West wing, put it to
Speaker 5: me Sunday as I sat here on the floor of
Speaker 5: this hall with my laptop doing reporting at the Republican
Speaker 5: Convention about what was happening in the Democratic Party. They said,
Speaker 5: we don't want to humiliate him.
Speaker 1: That was the effort.
Speaker 5: Then we saw this sequence yesterday and is my brilliant
Speaker 5: colleague Zach Bossu puts it at the top of Axios
Speaker 5: this morning. President Biden is now self isolating, both medically
Speaker 5: and politically.
Speaker 2: I mean, that's an obituary to his entire career. And
Speaker 2: he says, what we've seen. Let's talk about what we've seen.
Speaker 2: Every aspect of the Democratic Party has now run him entirely,
Speaker 2: turn on him completely. Ye, you've got the Clintons. They're
Speaker 2: saying you're done. The Obama's saying you're done, Schumer saying
Speaker 2: you're done, Pelosi saying you're done, Jeffreys saying you're done,
Speaker 2: Holly media saying you're done, the donors saying you're done,
Speaker 2: Hollywood saying you're done.
Speaker 4: Everyone, How the.
Speaker 1: Hell does this guy? He won't survive this.
Speaker 3: He doesn't. And look, you and I we predicted this
Speaker 3: ten months ago. And then the night of the debate.
Speaker 3: You and I did a podcast the night of the debate,
Speaker 3: immediately after the debate, and I said that night, Biden's done.
Speaker 3: He is no longer the nominee. He will be chased out.
Speaker 3: It'll take a few weeks for it to happen. But
Speaker 3: this is what's going to happen. Why, because the Democrats
Speaker 3: are terrified they're going to lose. Now, it's worth noting
Speaker 3: none of them care that we have a commander in
Speaker 3: chief right now with dementia. Has a single Democrat said, well, gosh,
Speaker 3: if he's so mentally diminished, he needs to resign as president.
Speaker 3: Nobody said that, not a single Democrat. Apparently they're fine
Speaker 3: with him having his finger on the button. Now, mind you,
Speaker 3: there comes a point where you take the keys away
Speaker 3: from grandpa. Yes, but it's even scary if the keys
Speaker 3: are attached to ICBMs. Yes, but the Democrats aren't doing that.
Speaker 3: The only reason they're bailing on Biden is because the
Speaker 3: American people in the debate saw that and said, holy crap,
Speaker 3: that man can't tie his shoes, and we're going to lose.
Speaker 3: And they're suddenly protecting their rear end. Now, when you
Speaker 3: and I have been predicting it, people have asked, how
Speaker 3: does this happen? And you go back, go back to
Speaker 3: Richard Nixon. Yep, when Richard Nixon stepped down, Listen, he
Speaker 3: didn't do so because he just said, well, gosh, I
Speaker 3: want to leave. He did so because a half dozen
Speaker 3: old bulls from the Senate, old Republican senators went to
Speaker 3: the Oval office and they said, mister President, you're done,
Speaker 3: and he resisted. And let's be clear, they didn't just
Speaker 3: rely on persuasion.
Speaker 4: They said, if you don't.
Speaker 3: Resign, the House is going to impeach you and we're
Speaker 3: going to convict you.
Speaker 4: So you will be removed.
Speaker 3: And your only choice is do you want to do
Speaker 3: it voluntarily or do you want us to throw yeut
Speaker 3: of office? And that ultimately led to the president.
Speaker 4: The president.
Speaker 3: Now, in this situation, we've seen the equivalent of the
Speaker 3: old bulls, the gray beards of the Democrat Party. All
Speaker 3: of the constituent groups, one after the other after the other,
Speaker 3: go to Biden say get out and get out, get out.
Speaker 3: They initially did so quietly, quietly, didn't work. They then
Speaker 3: have done so more and more publicly. And by the way,
Speaker 3: if Biden were to dig in, if he were to say,
Speaker 3: I don't care, I'm not going, they have a hammer.
Speaker 3: The twenty fifth Amendment. I understand how the twenty fifth
Speaker 3: Amendment works. All it takes is the vice president and
Speaker 3: a majority of the cabinet and the vice president of
Speaker 3: the majority of the cabinet. If they sign a letter
Speaker 3: declaring that the president is unfit for office.
Speaker 4: He is removed from office instantly. Instantly.
Speaker 3: Now he can file a letter saying no, I am
Speaker 3: fit for office, and then it goes to Congress and
Speaker 3: it takes two thirds of both houses. But you know what,
Speaker 3: Pelosi's turned on him, Schumer's turned on him. The Democrats
Speaker 3: are terrified.
Speaker 2: So they would accept it, is what you're saying. Yes,
Speaker 2: So let me ask you this. If he doesn't drop out,
Speaker 2: it's not.
Speaker 4: Going to come to that. He's going to.
Speaker 3: I don't think it's going to come to that. But
Speaker 3: that's the hammer that they don't want to threaten that.
Speaker 3: And and look the whole line about about dignity. They
Speaker 3: don't want to have to threaten that. But he is
Speaker 3: gone and so and in my view, there's lots of
Speaker 3: speculation about about who the replacement will be. I believe
Speaker 3: the replacement will be one of two human beings. It
Speaker 3: will either be Kamala Harris or it will be Michelle Obama.
Speaker 3: Those are the only two human beings I believe that
Speaker 3: will be at the top of the take.
Speaker 1: And if Kamala gets it, it's only because of logistics.
Speaker 3: So actually, I think the logistics argument is completely overstated.
Speaker 1: So explain that. Let's let's explain the people who just
Speaker 1: exchargument the argument that the argument is we hold hold on.
Speaker 3: Before we do that, let me explain why it's Kamala
Speaker 3: or or Michelle Kamala is next in line. Now, a
Speaker 3: lot of Democrats recognize that Kamala has limitations as a candidate,
Speaker 3: and so there's some Democrats that are like, oh, what
Speaker 3: are we doing? So you people hear people talking about
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom. I think the chances that Gavin Newsom is
Speaker 3: at the top of the ticket are zero point zero
Speaker 3: zero percent. And the reason why it's not complicated the
Speaker 3: Democrat Party is structurally unable to push aside an African
Speaker 3: American woman and replace her with a white guy like
Speaker 3: their party would implode. They would I mean, you talk
Speaker 3: about civil wars, they would have a civil war with muskets,
Speaker 3: like a literal civil war. They can't do that, which
Speaker 3: means all of the names bannied about, none of them.
Speaker 3: You could have a primary and someone defeats her, but
Speaker 3: if it's annoying in a successor, I don't believe their
Speaker 3: party can do that, which means the only human being
Speaker 3: on planet Earth who could push Kamala side is Michelle Obama.
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama's obviously also an African American woman, but an
Speaker 3: African American woman with much higher approval ratings. And I
Speaker 3: think a much more dangerous candidate. Ten months ago, I said,
Speaker 3: and I still say it today. If I were a Democrat,
Speaker 3: I would be all in. I would be begging Michelle
Speaker 3: because I got to tell you, look, sitting here as
Speaker 3: a Republican who desperately wants us to win in November.
Speaker 3: That scares the living daylights out of me. If Michelle
Speaker 3: is the nominee, it is dangerous and everyone here better
Speaker 3: understand we're in for the fight of our life if
Speaker 3: it's her. Now, what is interesting is how much the
Speaker 3: Democrat Party is circling the wagons behind Kamala.
Speaker 4: And I think Kamala has risen.
Speaker 2: Is that because it's easier logistically, That's where I asked
Speaker 2: that question, Because the money's there, the campaigns there, it's seamless.
Speaker 4: It's just seamless, bultedash, complete nonsense.
Speaker 3: So people are saying, oh, well, Kamala is the only
Speaker 3: one who can access the money. Biden Harris's raise, and
Speaker 3: so that's why they'll do it. What uttered look imagine
Speaker 3: because that's what everybody's saying, but everyone's saying it. Anyone's
Speaker 3: meaning true. That doesn't actually hasn't run a presidential campaign.
Speaker 3: It doesn't know how things operate. It's true Michelle Obama
Speaker 3: can't access the money, and the Biden coffers what happens
Speaker 3: the day Michelle Obama's announces the nominee.
Speaker 1: I'm assuming they would start the campaign, start raising money.
Speaker 3: And every Democrat, every grassroots Democrat, every activist, every donor
Speaker 3: is suddenly goes from the despondency, depression, despair.
Speaker 4: They're resigned.
Speaker 3: Crap, we're gonna lose, crap's gonna Trump's gonna be president.
Speaker 3: We're gonna lose the Senate, We're gonna lose the House.
Speaker 3: They're in misery, and they wake up and hallelujah, hallelujah.
Speaker 3: Michelle Obama is riding in to save the day and.
Speaker 1: A billion dollars of free press, and.
Speaker 3: They would raise a billion dollars within three weeks. Every
Speaker 3: Democrat billionaire goes, holy crap, we've saved the world. Get
Speaker 3: me my checkbook, and we're talking Michelle would raise it
Speaker 3: in one hundred million dollar chunk.
Speaker 4: There is no money problem.
Speaker 1: Plus all the free media.
Speaker 3: And the free media, so it is massive. The only
Speaker 3: thing that can save us from that is if Michelle
Speaker 3: says no. And I am praying. Look, Michelle, you and
Speaker 3: I are not close. To put it mildly, but I
Speaker 3: just want to say, man, you got a good life.
Speaker 3: Ye you're kicking back. Martha's vineyard is really nice in
Speaker 3: the summertime. I've told I've never been there, but I'm
Speaker 3: told it's nice. Like you're kicking back, You're sipping charnay,
Speaker 3: You're on a yacht, you're on a private jet, You're
Speaker 3: paling around with movie stars.
Speaker 1: Loves you.
Speaker 4: You don't want to deal with the pesky.
Speaker 3: You don't want to deal with us, you don't want
Speaker 3: to deal with politicians.
Speaker 4: You can't stand us.
Speaker 3: So just live your life as a movie star and
Speaker 3: a celebrity and don't bother with the gritty mess.
Speaker 4: Now. I don't know if that's persuasive to her or not.
Speaker 4: I will tell you.
Speaker 3: I've heard people say confidently Michelle doesn't want it.
Speaker 4: Maybe, And here's why I say maybe.
Speaker 3: When they say Michelle doesn't want if they say well
Speaker 3: she said she didn't want it. Okay, Well, you know politicians,
Speaker 3: you could always believe what they say, like when they
Speaker 3: say they don't want something, it's always telling the truth.
Speaker 1: But they I don't want it. I don't want it,
Speaker 1: but I do get to be on Air Force one
Speaker 1: when I want it.
Speaker 3: So they base it on the fact that Michelle did
Speaker 3: not run in twenty twenty. Well, that's true, but it
Speaker 3: is a very different decision to say, do I want
Speaker 3: to run for president? Do I want to spend two
Speaker 3: years going through the muck? Do I want to come Mary?
Speaker 3: Do I want to go through every county in Iowa?
Speaker 3: Do I want to go all over New Hampshire? Do
Speaker 3: I want to go all over South Carolina? Do I
Speaker 3: want to raise money nonstuff? Do I want to spend
Speaker 3: two years of my life? It is all comes to me.
Speaker 3: And by the way, Michelle knows it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, She's witnessed it twice.
Speaker 4: She went side by side with Baroxo.
Speaker 3: She knows exactly what's entitled entailed in that.
Speaker 4: That is a very different decision.
Speaker 1: Than at three months two and a half months, co.
Speaker 3: Michelle, we will have a coronation. Everyone will sing your Hoseanna.
Speaker 3: We will hand you the nomination. You'd give one speech,
Speaker 3: you'd do a debate, you do a couple of rallies,
Speaker 3: and suddenly you're President of the United States. Yeah, there
Speaker 3: are very few people on planet Earth that if you
Speaker 3: walked up and said, okay, we'll make you president right now?
Speaker 3: All right, Right, we got a studio audience here. How
Speaker 3: many of you would say yes if we offered you
Speaker 3: would you like to be president?
Speaker 4: Would you say yes?
Speaker 3: If they were okay, right now, we're getting nods, there's like, yeah, okay,
Speaker 3: one guy said no, One guy said no, right, one
Speaker 3: guy said no.
Speaker 4: Out everyone here.
Speaker 1: He lives at Martha's vineyard. By the way, I guarantee, right,
Speaker 1: all right, guarantee.
Speaker 3: It's an unusual cat that would say no to being
Speaker 3: offered the coronation.
Speaker 4: So Michelle scares me.
Speaker 3: But I want to say something else to Republicans at
Speaker 3: this convention and across the country.
Speaker 4: Don't get over confident with Kamala.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a great point.
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Speaker 2: that gets this opportunity, that could be Kamala Harris, will
Speaker 2: reinvigorate the checkbooks, or reinvigorate the party, or reinvigorate every
Speaker 2: candidate that's down balloted because it's a reset button. I
Speaker 2: think the bump that we get out of this convention
Speaker 2: could have instantly disappear with Kamala Harris because of all
Speaker 2: of the news you're talking about. And I think the
Speaker 2: amount of money she'll raise. But I also think the
Speaker 2: thing is what Kamla is. She will also get a
Speaker 2: billion dollars of free media. The media will obsess over her.
Speaker 2: It changes the race completely.
Speaker 4: Do you agree, I absolutely do what I will say.
Speaker 3: Look, Republicans, people at this convention think rightly that Kamala
Speaker 3: is a train wreck, that she's been an absolute disaster.
Speaker 3: She's the borders are except she only went to the
Speaker 3: border once as vice president. She and act even go
Speaker 3: to the Rio Grand Valley. Everything she's touched had been
Speaker 3: a disaster. She got clobber in the Democratic primary. There
Speaker 3: are lots of reasons to say Kamala is not very
Speaker 3: good at this, but you made the exact right point.
Speaker 3: Imagine it with a billion dollars of free media, with
Speaker 3: every media outlet hyperventilating saying, oh, she's a combination of
Speaker 3: Mother Teresa, Oprah.
Speaker 4: And Gandhi all combined.
Speaker 3: Like you will see reporters running after her, throwing their
Speaker 3: panties at her.
Speaker 4: And by the way, that's just the men.
Speaker 2: That those men, let's be clear about that, those are
Speaker 2: identify as men.
Speaker 1: Right, you never know and nowadays.
Speaker 4: And it is a dangerous thing.
Speaker 3: So listen, I think we beat Kamala, but everyone here
Speaker 3: needs to be aware. We're not just going against Kamala
Speaker 3: We're going against every corporate media outlet. We're going against
Speaker 3: all of Hollywood. We're going against big tech, which will
Speaker 3: elevate everything. They will do everything they can, and their
Speaker 3: narrative will be you know what they'll say, Biden was
Speaker 3: a great historic president, but he got too old.
Speaker 4: We all get too old, and we fixed that problem. Now.
Speaker 3: Now Kamalas is young and vigorous. She smiles a lot,
Speaker 3: she laughs, and it drives us crazy. Yes, get ready
Speaker 3: to hear that last so often.
Speaker 4: You're going you're.
Speaker 3: Gonna wake up at nights screaming and hearing the cackle.
Speaker 2: They also believe that she's going to bring women together
Speaker 2: for two reasons. One, they're going to make Roe v.
Speaker 2: Wade an issue again and try to really bring feminists
Speaker 2: and women out on that.
Speaker 1: That'll be a core point of her campaign.
Speaker 2: But two, just the overall history of women and breaking
Speaker 2: the glass ceiling. She also is a minority. Yeah, so
Speaker 2: you would have a minority female who would make history
Speaker 2: while in re engaging women voters in the Democratic Party
Speaker 2: and women that maybe are swing voters.
Speaker 1: I think that's actually very, very dangerous.
Speaker 3: It is exceptionally dangerous. And let's complicate it a little more.
Speaker 3: If it is Michelle, if it is Kamala, who's the VP.
Speaker 2: It's a great question. I honestly have not thought about
Speaker 2: it much. I say that here's why. I'm like, do
Speaker 2: you pick a man? Do you pick another woman? Do
Speaker 2: you pick someone that's young? Do you pick someone that's
Speaker 2: older that's not a threat to you if you don't
Speaker 2: do well and for you? I mean, I've been so
Speaker 2: focused on Joe Biden, and I'm going who's on the
Speaker 2: short list.
Speaker 1: I don't know if they would even know who their
Speaker 1: short is yet. Who do you have?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I have a couple of thoughts.
Speaker 3: One possibility that is a real possibility is Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3: I don't believe Gavin Newsom could be at the top
Speaker 3: of the ticket, but I believe he would be a
Speaker 3: very credible undraiser VP choice for either either Michelle or
Speaker 3: Comma that that that is a VP choice. And mostly
Speaker 3: Newsome comes with with with just a crap ton of
Speaker 3: California monds.
Speaker 4: And he's a good looking guy, he's smooth, he's slick.
Speaker 3: Gavin Newsom reminds me of the comment about Bill Clinton,
Speaker 3: he's an unusually good liar, and in Democrat politics, that
Speaker 3: is a really good tribute. He is a gifted and
Speaker 3: talented liar. Now I've also pointed out I consider Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 4: I I want to actually name him.
Speaker 3: Texas Realator of the Year because nobody has sold more
Speaker 3: homes in the State of Thames than Gavin Newso, I
Speaker 3: mean he could sell homes every we're in Texas. But
Speaker 3: I'll also point out, all right, so Political Playbook, which
Speaker 3: is every political junkie reads the playbook. It's kind of
Speaker 3: a combination of news and gossip from politics. So Playbook
Speaker 3: right now writes about a polling memo circulating among Democratic
Speaker 3: Party officials that argues the best chance to defeat Trump
Speaker 3: is with a new nominee independent of the administration, in
Speaker 3: other words, not Kamala Harris. And look, we get that
Speaker 3: Kamala in an open field is not the most attractive
Speaker 3: political candidate for the Democrats, but I think they're locked
Speaker 3: into her unless Michelle is doing it. But what's interesting
Speaker 3: is what this memo argues. And it says based on
Speaker 3: polling of who does well against Trump, it says the
Speaker 3: strongest candidates. So this is polling for their presidential nominee,
Speaker 3: but it says the strongest potential candidates are, in alphabetical order,
Speaker 3: Arizona Senator Mark Kelly, Maryland Governor Wes Moore, Pennsylvania go
Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro, and Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer.
Speaker 1: That's the one that keeps coming in my mind. A
Speaker 1: double women woman ticket.
Speaker 3: Look, that is certainly a possibility, and they're different philosophies
Speaker 3: on vps. Sometimes a president picks a VP that is different,
Speaker 3: that that is markedly different.
Speaker 4: Think JFK picking LBJ.
Speaker 3: You picked kind of totally different branches of the party
Speaker 3: to unifif EI them. Think Reagan picking Bush. That that
Speaker 3: that is one way to do it. Other times a
Speaker 3: nominee reinforces the strength of a candidate, and think Bill
Speaker 3: Clinton picking Al Gore. We're both young, relatively conservative Southern Democrats,
Speaker 3: kind of doubling down. This is our message. I think
Speaker 3: there is a chance they do that. But my guess
Speaker 3: is I think the Democrats are less likely to pick
Speaker 3: two women. I don't know this, but but I think
Speaker 3: as I look at it, I would.
Speaker 1: Set to bet tonight you go with Gavin Newsom.
Speaker 3: Or Josh Shapiro, and Josh Shapiro is a they don't know,
Speaker 3: Okay Shapiro, Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 1: The audience says, Been Shapiro, not Josh Shapiro.
Speaker 3: They will not pick Been Shapiro, although, boy, that would
Speaker 3: be fun. Can Shapiro? Now that's that's that's a unity
Speaker 3: ticket right there. Josh Shapiro is the governor of Pennsylvania.
Speaker 3: He used to be the Attorney General of Pennsylvania. He
Speaker 3: is widely perceived as a moderate Democrat. He's not very moderate,
Speaker 3: but he's widely perceived as such. He's what passes for
Speaker 3: a moderate in today's Democrat party. Now, look, Pennsylvania is
Speaker 3: a state both sides view as very close to must win.
Speaker 3: There are paths to getting to two hundred and seventy
Speaker 3: electoral votes without Pennsylvania, but not many. Pennsylvania is probably
Speaker 3: the single most contested UH swing state in this election.
Speaker 3: Josh Shapiro is a popular governor, yep. And a popular governor, and.
Speaker 1: Governors you will in that position.
Speaker 4: Look it.
Speaker 3: I think Shapiro would be dangerous. I'd be surprised if
Speaker 3: she picked him. But I'll tell you Mark Kelly would
Speaker 3: be a very dangerous candidate. I know Mark Well. Mark
Speaker 3: is Look, he's a Navy veteran, he's a former astronaut.
Speaker 3: He's a short, muscular, bald guy. And look, it's very
Speaker 3: hard to call Mark Kelly a wuss. Yeah, Like he
Speaker 3: seems that there's a reason that he has won decisively
Speaker 3: at Arizona. He's also an affable guy, so he seems moderate,
Speaker 3: he seems reasonable. His voting record is terrible, but he
Speaker 3: comes across as very He comes across like he could
Speaker 3: be a Republican.
Speaker 4: So I could see.
Speaker 3: I doubt Mark Kelly would be the nominee, but I
Speaker 3: could see him being in the mix.
Speaker 4: So I would.
Speaker 3: Probably say Michelle slash Kamala, and I'd probably give Kamala
Speaker 3: the edge right now. Part of that may be just
Speaker 3: wishful thinking. I wanted to be Kamala, not Michelle. And
Speaker 3: in terms of the VPS, I would say Shapiro, Newsome,
Speaker 3: Kelly Whitmer.
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Speaker 2: they delay the convention? Number one?
Speaker 1: And two?
Speaker 2: If they delay the convention, will he step down at
Speaker 2: the convention and then have that be the media or
Speaker 2: does it come out before the convention?
Speaker 3: All right, so the appellate lawyer and maybe has has
Speaker 3: to say, I love that you asked A and two.
Speaker 4: Yeah, like that's that. That's just kind of a fun outline.
Speaker 1: You're welcome.
Speaker 2: Just want just want to mess with you every once
Speaker 2: while see if you're selling your game, right af B
Speaker 2: Is that better.
Speaker 4: That that is?
Speaker 3: I like Roman numbers and outlines and and Z. But
Speaker 3: but I'm not going to tell you I love ven diagrams.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna leave that to say ven diagrams make make
Speaker 3: my my cold cruel heart go pitter pat. Look, uh,
Speaker 3: I don't think they delay the convention. They might, but
Speaker 3: I doubt it, and they don't. Wait, I think this
Speaker 3: happens within the next week. I think this could easily
Speaker 3: happen this weekend. And and frankly, look, the Democrats are
Speaker 3: smart by delaying till after this convention. This convention kill
Speaker 3: them a minute has been phenomenal, and and the media
Speaker 3: will treat whoever parachutes in the media will treat it
Speaker 3: as a brand new race, ignore anything that happened before.
Speaker 3: We're brand new, starting over, and so I think they
Speaker 3: want to get on with that quickly. So my prediction,
Speaker 3: by the way, if you want to think about momentous
Speaker 3: and historic weeks in politics, on Saturday, the forward president
Speaker 3: of the United States was shot, the first presidential assassination
Speaker 3: attempts since nineteen eighty one. Immediately thereafter, we've had an
Speaker 3: incredibly successful convention, We've had a vice presidential nominee named,
Speaker 3: and it could be within a week of that, because
Speaker 3: I could easily see it being this weekend. Joe Biden
Speaker 3: is off the ballot, and we have a new Democrat nominee,
Speaker 3: and there's chatter, there's some of the pundits that are saying, oh,
Speaker 3: we ought to have an open primary, we got to
Speaker 3: have Democrats fighting, going to happen. I don't believe that
Speaker 3: will happen. They will coorroinate, and I think it'll be
Speaker 3: one of the two.
Speaker 2: My bonus question is either three or c depending on
Speaker 2: how you want to enlist these. How many times will
Speaker 2: Kamala Harris or Michelle Obama debate Donald Trump?
Speaker 1: Once? We'll have one debate, just one debate.
Speaker 4: We will have one band.
Speaker 2: Could they get away with saying I'm not going to
Speaker 2: debate now, No, even if it's Michelle.
Speaker 3: I think they will do one debate. I think they
Speaker 3: will feel like it's not credible if you don't do
Speaker 3: a debate, particularly because.
Speaker 2: If you're Trump, do you push for two? I would yeah,
Speaker 2: but they say it's a reset. We're doing two of
Speaker 2: these suckers before November.
Speaker 3: But I don't think they'll end up doing it. Look,
Speaker 3: I think Trump may well push for two. Part of
Speaker 3: the reason if you're a Democrat everyone concedes Trump mopped
Speaker 3: the floor with Biden. I think it's a Democrat. You
Speaker 3: don't want that to be the only debate. If you're
Speaker 3: putting someone new, you'd need something credible. I will tell you,
Speaker 3: I just came from a meeting that that jad Vance
Speaker 3: met with all the senators. We're congratulating him, and he
Speaker 3: did have a very funny thing he shared with us.
Speaker 3: He said, you know, he was talking to to Trump about, well, okay,
Speaker 3: who are we going to face?
Speaker 4: Is going to be someone new? Is it going to
Speaker 4: be Kamala? And and and and.
Speaker 3: Jad said well, well, look, mister President, I said, yes,
Speaker 3: assuming I got to debate Tamala. If they actually bring
Speaker 3: in someone that's a really good debater, I may have
Speaker 3: to rethink this. And Trump said, no, backing out. You
Speaker 3: accepted that thing. You're stuck.
Speaker 1: You'rein't going anywhere.
Speaker 4: But look that.
Speaker 3: I I think they'll do it fast. By the way,
Speaker 3: I will point out the night of the debate, when
Speaker 3: you and I did a podcast immediately thereafter, we said
Speaker 3: that night, this is the most consequential presidential debate in
Speaker 3: American history. And the reason we said that is because
Speaker 3: we said, I believe this will change the names on
Speaker 3: the ballot in November.
Speaker 4: And that has never happened.
Speaker 3: There's never been a debate that changed the names on
Speaker 3: the ballot. And that's exactly what that debate did. It
Speaker 3: took a few weeks to play out, but I think
Speaker 3: it is imminent. I think it is within days.
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Speaker 2: you can. Donald Trump's speech tonight, any any prediction last minute?
Speaker 1: Will he needled Joe Biden?
Speaker 3: Look, I think it is going to be substantially tamped down.
Speaker 3: I think Saturday change the speech. In fact, I know
Speaker 3: Saturday change the speech that I think prior to Saturday
Speaker 3: the speech was going to be quite combative, and I
Speaker 3: expect to see a lot of unity, a lot more
Speaker 3: language seeking to bring people together. And look, we've seen
Speaker 3: this throughout the convention. We talked about we did a
Speaker 3: live podcast at the convention yesterday. I talked about when
Speaker 3: I visited with President Trump yesterday, and I think Saturday
Speaker 3: really had an impact on him, had an impact. I mean,
Speaker 3: he kind of pulled me aside and said really quietly,
Speaker 3: just said God saved me. And it was it was
Speaker 3: quiet and serious in a way that I think is
Speaker 3: really consequential. And listen, I think it's you can't go
Speaker 3: through what he went through Saturday, having been shot and
Speaker 3: having been within a half inch of being killed. Amen,
Speaker 3: without really thinking about God Almighty turning his head because
Speaker 3: I believe that happened. I believe it was divine providence
Speaker 3: that turned his head. And had it been slightly one
Speaker 3: where the other, we would be having a dramatically different conversation.
Speaker 2: No doubt about it. Always a pleasure at the convention.
Speaker 2: Thanks to everybody that are here. We will see you
Speaker 2: back here in a couple of days.