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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to the Bechtel Cast. What you're about

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Speaker 1: to hear is part two of our very long two

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Speaker 1: part episode about the Santa Claus that we recorded live

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Speaker 1: in Denver. If you haven't listened to part one yet,

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Speaker 1: we strongly suggest you go back and listen to that first.

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Speaker 1: And before we get into part two of the episode,

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Speaker 1: we just wanted to remind everyone about some upcoming live

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Speaker 1: shows that we have. January two, we will be in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco at SF Sketch Fest at the Gateway Theater

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Speaker 1: and we're covering the Social Network. On January, we will

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Speaker 1: be in New York for the Brooklyn Podcast Festival at

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Speaker 1: the Bellhouse and we will be covering Black Swan. And finally,

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Speaker 1: on January we will be in Philadelphia at Good Good

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Speaker 1: Comedy Theater and we'll be covering The Sixth Sense. As always,

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Speaker 1: more details and ticket links to our live shows are

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Speaker 1: on our website becktel cast dot com and click on

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Speaker 1: the live tab and enjoy part two of the Santa

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Speaker 1: Claus on the bell Cast. The questions asked if movies

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Speaker 1: have women in them, are all their discussions just boyfriends

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Speaker 1: and husbands, or do they have individualism? The patriarchy, zef

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Speaker 1: invest start changing it with the bec Del cast. You know,

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Speaker 1: there's so much to unpack with this movie. Where do

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Speaker 1: we begin. It's a feminist tax that much we know. Well, okay,

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Speaker 1: it's on every list and yes, um, I just didn't

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Speaker 1: want to mention there is a Denver connection because at

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Speaker 1: one point Scott Kelvin is talking to Bernard the Elephant.

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Speaker 1: He's like, can we take a direct flight back to

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Speaker 1: And then we're like, wow, that's why we did this here.

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Speaker 1: Why are you all clapping for the worst part of Denver?

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Speaker 1: The airport is the worst thing the city has to offer.

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Speaker 1: I'm obsessed with the airport here. I think about it

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Speaker 1: at least once a week. I'm dead serious. I love

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Speaker 1: I love the story about how the scary horse statue

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Speaker 1: killed the artist. I like everything. If if on your

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Speaker 1: way out, if you have some very specific Denver airport

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Speaker 1: anecdotal scary Illuminati ship I want to know. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: I'm consumed by it. I all laugh and clap now,

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Speaker 1: but that airport is going to kill us all one

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Speaker 1: And quirky that I passed the gargoyles yesterday, grace past

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Speaker 1: the luggage gargoyles. I just I would let someone kill

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Speaker 1: me there. Well, the first things I the first thing

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Speaker 1: I want to talk about is the first thing we

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Speaker 1: see in the movie is Tim Ellen. He's receiving an

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Speaker 1: award for his do it All for you Ali, which

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Speaker 1: what is what is that? Let's not even think about

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Speaker 1: it for a second. But he had I forgot that

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Speaker 1: he had a business partner. He has a business partner.

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Speaker 1: One of the few people of color in the entire movie.

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Speaker 1: She is a woman who starts to accept like she's like,

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Speaker 1: thank you, and then he pushes her out of the way.

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Speaker 1: He grabs the microphone out of her hand, interrupts her,

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Speaker 1: and starts being like, let's fucking party, Like that's what

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Speaker 1: he that's what he does. I can't really defend Scott there, right.

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Speaker 1: I would say that it's possible it was it was

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Speaker 1: a stage direction, mishap. Okay, No, that's that's not what happened.

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Speaker 1: He should have let her finish her sentence and given

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Speaker 1: Sure wasn't. And then shortly after that he's driving home.

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Speaker 1: He's on the phone with Laura, I think, and he's

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Speaker 1: the do It All for You Doll Christmas party. Gross,

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Speaker 1: there's like that Well, I was gonna say, there's like

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Speaker 1: his co workers is having sex with a secretary your wife,

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Speaker 1: and it's the coworker that stressed the Santa Claus as well. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: which is significant. I'm sure it's for it's it's really significant.

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Speaker 1: But we're gonna go into that on the Patreon version. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you can't get it for free, and we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: checking subscriptions before we get into that. But he's lying

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Speaker 1: Let's not we let's find out about Judge Reinholdt like

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Speaker 1: we we find out a lot about Neil. We find

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Speaker 1: Laura has a job that we don't know. We don't

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Speaker 1: all we know she wanted a board game when she

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Speaker 1: like almost she gets the illusion of agency in that

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Speaker 1: so she's kind of like reticent and pulling back. But

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Speaker 1: And that's all we know about her. That's all we know,

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Speaker 1: and that's the podcast. And with the cops too, it's

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Speaker 1: Do we got frostst Snowman, Scrooge, Rudolph, Rudolph Bastard right there?

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Speaker 1: We got snow Miser and heat Miser right there. They

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Speaker 1: is it's a very like male dominated holiday idealized. But

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Speaker 1: favorite fact I found out about this film. Sorry, UM

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Speaker 1: it now, uh, A brief exchange takes place between Scott

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Speaker 1: In the United States, the exchange was removed from all

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Speaker 1: after an incident in which a child from steal Acomb,

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Speaker 1: me um, Scott calvid Uh. I do think that there

423
00:28:33,800 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: is something to be said. As much as I will

424
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 1: agree that there's a lot of male redemption stories out

425
00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:42,520
Speaker 1: there and there's so many people that are underrepresented, I

426
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: think that it's good to have male redemption stories in

427
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,640
Speaker 1: which the man has to demonstrate some sort of growth. Um.

428
00:28:49,680 --> 00:28:52,960
Speaker 1: And that is a generally positive thing for you know,

429
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: because like the way masculinity is portrayed and media is

430
00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:58,360
Speaker 1: so skewed, and you get the idea that men can

431
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:01,600
Speaker 1: do nothing and still be granted a redemption arc for

432
00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:03,680
Speaker 1: no reason. Because that happens in real life a lot.

433
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:08,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate that, at very least Scott Calvin demonstrates a

434
00:29:08,360 --> 00:29:13,160
Speaker 1: change of mindset, a change of priorities, and appears to

435
00:29:13,240 --> 00:29:19,120
Speaker 1: grow as a person, and that change sticks throughout. He

436
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:24,960
Speaker 1: remains Santa. In the beginning little portion he lets all

437
00:29:25,000 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 1: these albums just beat him at football, and he's like,

438
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:29,840
Speaker 1: this is fun. You know I always would not have

439
00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:33,120
Speaker 1: done that, wouldn't have done that. You know, he would

440
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 1: have fired them. Yeah, and he saw hugs and kisses

441
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:39,280
Speaker 1: and he's like, I love cookies. It's you know, it's good,

442
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: Like it's I like where Scott Calvin ends, we didn't

443
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: need another male redemption story. But speaking of which, we

444
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,640
Speaker 1: are going to cover the Michael Keaton Jack Frost on

445
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: the major on this year, which is the while this

446
00:29:52,400 --> 00:29:56,760
Speaker 1: male redemption arc you'll ever encounter. I used to be

447
00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: so scared of that movie because Michael Keaton died is

448
00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: and then comes back to life as a snowman and

449
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:10,120
Speaker 1: then dies again. There you hate to see it alarming. Um,

450
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, I think that's kind of all I had.

451
00:30:13,600 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 1: We only had two hours worth of things to say

452
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: about the Santagas. I'm just describing the plot. Um, No,

453
00:30:21,800 --> 00:30:25,760
Speaker 1: we had. I honestly think we got one more discourse

454
00:30:25,760 --> 00:30:30,120
Speaker 1: than I thought was possible. True, Yeah, No, that that's

455
00:30:30,160 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 1: I think that that's all I had. Oh oh the

456
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,920
Speaker 1: joke that I thought was that I'd never noticed before.

457
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:40,760
Speaker 1: That really got me this time was um, when they're

458
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: in the classroom and the parents are presenting and we

459
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:47,280
Speaker 1: cut into the middle of the scene where a fire.

460
00:30:47,320 --> 00:30:50,320
Speaker 1: It's someone's parents who's a firefighter, and he's like, and

461
00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:53,280
Speaker 1: that's why their degree burns are really bad. And the

462
00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: teacher says, thank you so much, We're really sorry about

463
00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:02,400
Speaker 1: your firefighting partner. So we're led to believe that this

464
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: traumatized man just told a group of about how his

465
00:31:08,200 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: friend lit on fire. It's I think the most slept

466
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:15,880
Speaker 1: on joke of the Santa Claus. It's very funny and

467
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,160
Speaker 1: I'm shocked they didn't cut it. It's on par with

468
00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 1: one bank. That's all I have to say. Anything else, Grace,

469
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 1: do you have any other I'm genuinely curious if you

470
00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: could pitch us what you would do for the Santa

471
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 1: Claus for what would you do? Tim Allen is gay. Now, oh,

472
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:52,120
Speaker 1: he's not gonna like that, but but he's like, he's

473
00:31:52,120 --> 00:31:55,360
Speaker 1: like by, he's like and he's by at the same time,

474
00:31:56,520 --> 00:32:02,120
Speaker 1: and and you can do that through the magic of Christmas.

475
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: So there's like Toy Santa, Toy Santa's gay and and

476
00:32:07,760 --> 00:32:15,360
Speaker 1: Flesh Santa's by and there and they've worked, they've worked

477
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:20,520
Speaker 1: through their differences and it's like they're they're married, but

478
00:32:20,720 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 1: Flesh Santa is still married to Mrs Claus the principle

479
00:32:27,800 --> 00:32:31,400
Speaker 1: like it's kind it's kind of polly but it but

480
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: it's illegal to be polyamorous in the North Pole. Well

481
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:41,680
Speaker 1: that's trouble. So they don't they can't be open about it.

482
00:32:41,720 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 1: But but then Bernard finds out one day, and he

483
00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:50,160
Speaker 1: finds out in a way where he like he would

484
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:52,160
Speaker 1: have kept it a secret. He would have kept it

485
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:59,040
Speaker 1: a secret. But but but he's caught in a lie

486
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:02,280
Speaker 1: from the Little Alves. I don't know what the lie is,

487
00:33:02,320 --> 00:33:05,920
Speaker 1: but the lie, the lie forces him to reveal to

488
00:33:06,040 --> 00:33:09,440
Speaker 1: the Alves and also Father Time, who's back but not

489
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:15,120
Speaker 1: played by Frank Lloyd r I p sadly impossible and

490
00:33:14,720 --> 00:33:17,640
Speaker 1: and and then it turns out that there is a clause.

491
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 1: That's the fourth clause, right, I mean, of course canically

492
00:33:22,280 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: there has to be another clause, Yeah, and um, what

493
00:33:26,800 --> 00:33:30,000
Speaker 1: is it? What is the class, Grace, and it's actually

494
00:33:30,040 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 1: the what is the class? Don't funk this up, Grace,

495
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,680
Speaker 1: only get one. This is your eight miles. This is eight.

496
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 1: This opportunity comes once in a lifetime. Are you quoting

497
00:33:52,440 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: eminem It's it's it's it's called the Santa Claus four

498
00:34:07,400 --> 00:34:17,760
Speaker 1: the Cummy Clause. You fucked it up, Grace, you sucked

499
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:22,839
Speaker 1: it up. Now you have to make that movie. I

500
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,040
Speaker 1: have a check for eleven million dollars. You have to

501
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: go make the Cummy Clause. The film is about. The

502
00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:34,880
Speaker 1: film is about Tim Allen and Toy Santa and Mrs

503
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:41,600
Speaker 1: Clause trying to prove that polyamory can work, and they don't.

504
00:34:47,719 --> 00:34:54,839
Speaker 1: They don't at all, and so Toy Santa gets killed

505
00:34:54,880 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: again and then they're coming back to it's kind of

506
00:34:59,480 --> 00:35:07,399
Speaker 1: about how how we modify love society. Yeah, and how

507
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:12,399
Speaker 1: it's not just a toy, you know, metaphor you read

508
00:35:12,440 --> 00:35:18,279
Speaker 1: it full circle? Yeah, yeah, I would see it. I

509
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:21,439
Speaker 1: would see it. And there's probably a joke in there

510
00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:24,799
Speaker 1: that's like like Santa Claus being like, okay, I'm coming

511
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,600
Speaker 1: out of the closet is polyamorous. And then Bernard's like,

512
00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,399
Speaker 1: must be a pretty big closet to have all your

513
00:35:31,440 --> 00:35:35,440
Speaker 1: partners in there. Huh, And everyone goes very funny Bernard,

514
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 1: and then he fringes me, is is it closet? Is

515
00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 1: a closet spelled like C L A U S C

516
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: T C. You're way ahead of me because that was

517
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:01,399
Speaker 1: going to be one of the big reviewers. Oh, I'm

518
00:36:01,440 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 1: a screenwriter. I have a master's degree. I see things coming.

519
00:36:06,120 --> 00:36:08,600
Speaker 1: Bernard takes out and magnifying class and there's a tiny

520
00:36:08,719 --> 00:36:11,560
Speaker 1: tea next to the clause. He's like, this was the

521
00:36:11,680 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: real clause. Wow, I love it. Hey, everyone, I think

522
00:36:22,520 --> 00:36:26,160
Speaker 1: we have a few minutes for a few questions or

523
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:32,279
Speaker 1: comments from the audience. We'll get there. We'll do this

524
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:36,640
Speaker 1: for it's quite all right. So yeah, I'm gonna so

525
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: that you can talk on the micael I'll come up here. Hello.

526
00:36:40,480 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: This may be a very obvious question, but who would

527
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:50,720
Speaker 1: Alfred Molina play? I said, yes that well, listen, I mean, clearly,

528
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,400
Speaker 1: there's a lot of roles for him to play. Do

529
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:57,759
Speaker 1: I think he could pull off Charlie? Yes. Imagine if

530
00:36:57,760 --> 00:37:01,520
Speaker 1: you will Billina fullyon forties when this movie comes out

531
00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:07,560
Speaker 1: as Tim Allen's son, it would be incredible for my purposes.

532
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:11,880
Speaker 1: It's got to be Bernard right, because Alpha Molina in

533
00:37:12,160 --> 00:37:17,040
Speaker 1: a problematic dreads Wig. It's like it's it's like that.

534
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a very obvious pick. I don't think

535
00:37:19,719 --> 00:37:22,040
Speaker 1: he would be I don't think he has Scott Calvin energy.

536
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:24,680
Speaker 1: What a lot of people don't know is that Alpha

537
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: Billina is the one who fell off the roof. That

538
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: is just all canomically true. He volunteered his body. He

539
00:37:31,360 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 1: just loves Christmas. If he wasn't a minor role, I

540
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:38,160
Speaker 1: think he could have made that judge role really pop.

541
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,080
Speaker 1: Is pretty forgettable. But I was there to get Molina

542
00:37:43,200 --> 00:37:51,319
Speaker 1: in there all of draw, I think, and I think

543
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:53,759
Speaker 1: the Alphred Millina really would have sold the line where

544
00:37:53,760 --> 00:37:56,800
Speaker 1: he's like, it really pains me to do this around

545
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 1: the holidays, And I think we would have gotten the

546
00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:01,200
Speaker 1: suggestion of a here, but not an actual tier. He's

547
00:38:01,200 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 1: a pro. His eyes would have been closed to the

548
00:38:04,280 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 1: judges eyes are open, and he would have been doing

549
00:38:07,480 --> 00:38:13,400
Speaker 1: a flawless Midwestern accent. It really pains me. It's a

550
00:38:13,440 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 1: weirdly tight shot. We're like, oh, are we supposed to

551
00:38:17,440 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 1: be focused on it? And then it sort of just

552
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: takes off and then we kind of just forget that

553
00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 1: the Santa Claus happened and we just follow him through

554
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: his life. The answer is Charlie, thank you, what's your name?

555
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. Okay, here it come. Can we

556
00:38:36,080 --> 00:38:39,640
Speaker 1: dissect the fat shaming scene with the business scene? Did

557
00:38:39,680 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: they fire him for being too fat? Great question, Yes,

558
00:38:43,800 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: thank you for bringing that up. Yes, so there is. Yeah,

559
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:51,439
Speaker 1: during the Santa Transformation sequence, there is like a fair

560
00:38:51,480 --> 00:38:57,879
Speaker 1: amount of fat shaming jokes made at Scott's expense. But yeah,

561
00:38:57,920 --> 00:39:00,399
Speaker 1: that's scene in particular, like where there's a scene where

562
00:39:00,760 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: he shows up work. I think we're supposed to believe

563
00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,719
Speaker 1: that he's gained forty five pounds overnight in the course

564
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,200
Speaker 1: of a week, I think the course of a wig.

565
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:13,880
Speaker 1: And then he has a number of desserts um and

566
00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:17,479
Speaker 1: maybe they fired him for being too fat, or maybe

567
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:19,560
Speaker 1: they fired him because he was only supposed to spend

568
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:26,839
Speaker 1: thirty bucks one he went out of his perm, which

569
00:39:26,920 --> 00:39:31,040
Speaker 1: is an unforgivable ridiculous I don't know. I was like,

570
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,839
Speaker 1: I feel like they gave kind of like a half ask.

571
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,000
Speaker 1: They feel like they tried to give a better explanation

572
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:38,000
Speaker 1: but kind of didn't. Where his boss like follows him

573
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:41,960
Speaker 1: out after lunch. There was a fat jaming element to it.

574
00:39:42,040 --> 00:39:44,920
Speaker 1: But then he was also like, Scott, you're acting very

575
00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: bizarre and you're acting out of character. Maybe you should

576
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 1: talk to someone. He says, like, you should talk to someone. Also,

577
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: I don't know. I wasn't sure what to make of

578
00:39:52,600 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 1: it either. His boss is played by Frank Lloyd, who

579
00:39:55,600 --> 00:39:57,920
Speaker 1: also plays Father Time. I think the only act who

580
00:39:57,960 --> 00:40:05,879
Speaker 1: plays two different characters universe. Great, I'm just trotting out

581
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: my little I'm just showing off doing laps around us trivial,

582
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,719
Speaker 1: but I mean there is a fair amount of fat

583
00:40:15,719 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 1: shaming in the movie. And then Jim Allen's character doesn't

584
00:40:18,080 --> 00:40:21,759
Speaker 1: before he becomes Santa, and he's like fat shaming the

585
00:40:21,800 --> 00:40:25,560
Speaker 1: Santa who he killed, and then he starts to become Santa,

586
00:40:25,719 --> 00:40:28,920
Speaker 1: and then people are fat shaming him. Yeah, it seems

587
00:40:28,960 --> 00:40:32,480
Speaker 1: like he might have gotten fired for like having gained

588
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:36,000
Speaker 1: weight or at least put on leave. Right, They're just like, hey,

589
00:40:36,080 --> 00:40:39,120
Speaker 1: take a Yeah, I wasn't sure what. I feel like

590
00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 1: that was like a plot necessity from the writers to

591
00:40:41,560 --> 00:40:43,520
Speaker 1: be like, we got a freedom up to be a Santa.

592
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:48,000
Speaker 1: He can't he can't be having obligations. It's also in

593
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,200
Speaker 1: the when he goes to the doctor to figure out

594
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 1: what's wrong. Doctors like, I don't know what to say.

595
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,840
Speaker 1: You're you're so fit, you know, you're like your body's

596
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 1: in perfect shape. You're just fat, and that's presented. It's

597
00:40:58,840 --> 00:41:04,880
Speaker 1: like a magical right, It's impossible usually, but this fat

598
00:41:04,920 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: man can run. That's Christmas magic for it, right. Yeah,

599
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:14,319
Speaker 1: And that's like unfortunately, that's like one of the more

600
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: I feel like that's the scene that a lot of

601
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: people remember. Is like that, like the transformation scenes. They

602
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:21,719
Speaker 1: definitely like stuck out to me when I was a

603
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:25,440
Speaker 1: kid too, um, and they're the messaging folks. It's bad.

604
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: It's bad for sure. Yeah. A couple of others, Hi,

605
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 1: what's your name? Hey, alex Um. I was just wondering,

606
00:41:34,520 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: like the elves seem really chill about a new Santa,

607
00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 1: So how often does Santa die in this universe? Because

608
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 1: they're like a new guy, come on in, we love you.

609
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, I will. I also took note of

610
00:41:50,160 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 1: how they were like, yeah, it's you. I feel like

611
00:41:53,239 --> 00:41:56,760
Speaker 1: what I would like to imagine is it's like when

612
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:01,759
Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein's statue was pulled down and everyone was like, yes,

613
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 1: I'm like they just finished a celebration because the last

614
00:42:05,280 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 1: Santa was such dogship it was horrible, and that they

615
00:42:09,000 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 1: were just they're very concerned about protecting his life. Yeah,

616
00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,120
Speaker 1: like the whole there's a whole sequence at the end

617
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:17,320
Speaker 1: of the film where it's like, you have a fire

618
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 1: retardant suit now, which we didn't give the last Yeah,

619
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,080
Speaker 1: it seems like it's like they do. It's not that

620
00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,440
Speaker 1: they don't care about any Santa, they just did not

621
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:32,640
Speaker 1: like the previous. And I mean it seems like Santa

622
00:42:32,680 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: can die easily. Is that suggestion? I mean, you fall

623
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:38,960
Speaker 1: off the roof of a two story house into like

624
00:42:39,320 --> 00:42:42,520
Speaker 1: snow beneath you, you don't die, you might break. And

625
00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:46,840
Speaker 1: they didn't die because he waved bye by, which is

626
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 1: not what dying people are known for doing. Helps don't

627
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: know the extent of Santa's power, That's what I think.

628
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 1: I think it's like if you were friends with Jesus,

629
00:42:56,200 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: you'd be like, he's cool. You can do some cool shit.

630
00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: But I don't know if the Son of God. I

631
00:43:03,280 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 1: think they think he's a cool praise if, but they don't.

632
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 1: Maybe they don't know exactly what he's capable of. Interesting. Yeah,

633
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,239
Speaker 1: I mean I think that maybe that it was just

634
00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 1: the indication of the end of a cruel regime in

635
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:20,879
Speaker 1: the beginning of something beautiful. These are really Bush era films. Yeah,

636
00:43:20,960 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 1: they really are. Other other questions, we're time for a

637
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:30,719
Speaker 1: few more here. Since his beard can grow back, do

638
00:43:30,800 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: you think if he got liepo he would just immediately

639
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: get fat again? I feel like we're led to believe

640
00:43:37,239 --> 00:43:42,160
Speaker 1: that that's the case. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a part.

641
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,959
Speaker 1: I don't mean to dismiss the validity of the question. No,

642
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: I think I think you're the expert. It's like, well,

643
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:54,200
Speaker 1: I mean, in this world, you are the pre eminent scholar.

644
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:59,759
Speaker 1: I've only seen three films. I just love your use

645
00:43:59,840 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 1: of the words. Certainly well. Other other questions, Yes, my

646
00:44:07,200 --> 00:44:09,040
Speaker 1: name is Joe, And um, do you think that Peter

647
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: Boyle was actually intended to do a spinoff movie where

648
00:44:11,600 --> 00:44:15,360
Speaker 1: he kills Father Time and actually takes the role in

649
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: the second film? Oh wow, that's really great. I hadn't

650
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:25,400
Speaker 1: even thought it would explain why he plays character. And

651
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:30,640
Speaker 1: I God, some galaxy brain ship. Is it a good?

652
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: Is it fun to be Father Time? I would think

653
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 1: not I feel like it's punishing just the Yeah, I

654
00:44:36,400 --> 00:44:43,439
Speaker 1: feel like it's punishing. Maybe he's in I would say

655
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:46,280
Speaker 1: this kind of goes back to the Grimm's fairy tale

656
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:48,800
Speaker 1: nature of these movies. Like when you're a kid, you're like, oh,

657
00:44:48,840 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: obviously anyone would want to be Santa. You idiots like obviously,

658
00:44:54,440 --> 00:44:56,240
Speaker 1: And then you're an adult and you're like, well, maybe

659
00:44:56,280 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: maybe he Maybe he enjoyed his life as a the

660
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: toy company, you know, like there's not there's no karaoke

661
00:45:03,640 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: bars in the North Pole, you know, there's good things

662
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: about happy Like what I want to be Santa? I

663
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: don't know. I think I would love the optics, but

664
00:45:15,560 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 1: I couldn't handle the responsibility. And that's I'm just being

665
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 1: honest with myself. Yeah. Yeah, well, I mean if the

666
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,160
Speaker 1: job offer ever comes along, you know, we'll circle up

667
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 1: and we'll really consider it. We'll really think of I mean,

668
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:30,640
Speaker 1: female representation of Santa has been lacking, as you've talked about.

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00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, you could, you could lose responsibility for feminism. Yes, exactly, final,

670
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: do it? We're talking for one more? One more? Yeah,

671
00:45:46,200 --> 00:45:53,760
Speaker 1: someone who oh, okay, you have long SOMs bribing about

672
00:45:53,760 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: their arms Okay, all right, you said something. So here

673
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:02,680
Speaker 1: in the context of a new feminist text, Christmas icon

674
00:46:03,040 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: is Last Christmas a rom com, a scrooge tail or,

675
00:46:08,040 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 1: a jukebox musical. Oh no, I haven't seen it yet.

676
00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 1: I got good news for you. The fourth film i've

677
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 1: seen this Last Christmas I forgot. I saw very recently.

678
00:46:21,680 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: It's not a jukebox musical. It isn't because they hardly

679
00:46:25,680 --> 00:46:28,000
Speaker 1: sing any of the songs. They sing like I think

680
00:46:28,080 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 1: three and that doesn't cut it for me. You know,

681
00:46:31,760 --> 00:46:36,320
Speaker 1: Last Christmas is a George Michael discography based Christmas movie

682
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:42,359
Speaker 1: about who's seen it? Clap your hands. Oh my gosh,

683
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:50,480
Speaker 1: it's just it's just her, three people. It's so tough

684
00:46:50,560 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: to define it. I think it's a rom com that misfires,

685
00:46:54,600 --> 00:46:58,040
Speaker 1: and I think that it could have been so weirder

686
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: than it actually turned out to be. And there's no

687
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:07,719
Speaker 1: there's not enough smooching, and that's critical. And also this

688
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:10,920
Speaker 1: isn't a big spoiler. It ends in the spring. The

689
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: last scene is Amelia Clark's character just sitting in a

690
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,160
Speaker 1: park in the spring, smiling. And that's not how I

691
00:47:18,200 --> 00:47:22,239
Speaker 1: want my Christmas movies. They should all they should all

692
00:47:22,360 --> 00:47:26,040
Speaker 1: end with Tim Allen taking off into the head, regardless

693
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: of whether he was in it or not. A great

694
00:47:28,560 --> 00:47:32,919
Speaker 1: ending if you just pick Pickture up. And I was like, hey, sorry, God,

695
00:47:32,960 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: we can't really talk about this movie. You can't see that.

696
00:47:36,040 --> 00:47:38,840
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, sorry, all that bad stuff happened

697
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:41,759
Speaker 1: to you and that you that you're a failing actress

698
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: and everything. Um, but now you can be my wife.

699
00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:52,640
Speaker 1: I'm excited to everyone's plan is to be Tim allen

700
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: Santa wife. Well, maybe those wives will talk to each other,

701
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:02,239
Speaker 1: which brings us to the actual tests. I mean, I mean,

702
00:48:02,320 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: does anyone conceivably No, not even close. I think the

703
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: only scene where women interact is the scene in Charlie's

704
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 1: school for the Principle and Laura are there, but we

705
00:48:15,960 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 1: don't know her name and they only talk about Charlie

706
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: and Santa. Yes, so not even close. Nope, not even close. Well,

707
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:28,960
Speaker 1: it's a and yet it's a feminist text, you know,

708
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:33,600
Speaker 1: as we say, it's a flawed metric. It's not endorsing

709
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:42,440
Speaker 1: that it's presenting. Alright, it's not the holiday nipple scale,

710
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:48,520
Speaker 1: the holiday nipples. It's red and green and it's five

711
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 1: nipples based on its representation of women. You know, it's

712
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:59,960
Speaker 1: not high. It's like, I guess, like a half nipple,

713
00:49:00,160 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: because it doesn't the movie doesn't like outwardly hate women,

714
00:49:03,640 --> 00:49:06,440
Speaker 1: but it also just doesn't really care about including them

715
00:49:06,560 --> 00:49:12,280
Speaker 1: or giving us any information about the women. And yeah,

716
00:49:12,320 --> 00:49:16,040
Speaker 1: it's just not what's still thinking about how Grace is

717
00:49:16,040 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 1: definitely gonna say five. I'm just like preparing myself for it. Um, well,

718
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: hopefully this mind brings the average down. Yeah, like a

719
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:33,359
Speaker 1: half nipple. It just sucks that there aren't any like

720
00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:38,160
Speaker 1: family Christmas Eve movie. Where are all the movies about

721
00:49:38,320 --> 00:49:43,840
Speaker 1: non Christian holidays? Where's the Winter Solstice movies? What I'm saying,

722
00:49:43,920 --> 00:49:46,040
Speaker 1: I guess there actually is one, but I've never seen it.

723
00:49:46,520 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: Well that you're a part of the problem. The problem.

724
00:49:49,280 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: It's like we're forgetting eight Crazy night Things, which what

725
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:58,440
Speaker 1: a nightmare of the movie. It is real problematic. I've

726
00:49:58,440 --> 00:50:02,960
Speaker 1: never seen it. Upsetting, but okay, we should cover it

727
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,799
Speaker 1: at some point. Yeah, it's just like it's like, why

728
00:50:06,880 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 1: don't little girls ever get to be the protagonists of

729
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:15,640
Speaker 1: these movies? Anyway? So half nipple and uh, I guess

730
00:50:15,719 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: I'll give it to commit the Reindeer. I don't know

731
00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: how many nipples a reindeer has, but I'm gonna guess four,

732
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:27,279
Speaker 1: and then you'll leave it at that. Don't fact check me.

733
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:33,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go with a generous one and a half

734
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 1: because I well, I agree that Laura is not a

735
00:50:39,200 --> 00:50:45,840
Speaker 1: character we would refer to as written she her character

736
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:49,800
Speaker 1: does avoid the fate of many characters in this genre

737
00:50:50,000 --> 00:50:52,840
Speaker 1: in her position where she isn't made out to be

738
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: a shrew, she isn't made out to be a bad person.

739
00:50:55,200 --> 00:50:58,440
Speaker 1: You know, it's it's she's a good person. We understand

740
00:50:58,440 --> 00:51:00,640
Speaker 1: where she's coming from, maybe more than in any other

741
00:51:00,719 --> 00:51:04,080
Speaker 1: parent in the movie. I appreciate that. I also appreciate

742
00:51:04,360 --> 00:51:09,719
Speaker 1: pro divorce. Most people should get divorced, like it's a

743
00:51:09,800 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 1: smart move for most And you know, just like seeing

744
00:51:14,440 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: seeing a functional I mean, like Gracie, you're saying, maybe

745
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,560
Speaker 1: a little unrealistic to be like and then the divorce happens,

746
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: and then you got two giant houses in Chicago, baby.

747
00:51:22,360 --> 00:51:25,520
Speaker 1: But but it was nice to see a divorce family

748
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:29,560
Speaker 1: um and have it be like normalized, right, And you know,

749
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,200
Speaker 1: Tim Allen shouldn't have flirted with the kid. We all agree,

750
00:51:34,040 --> 00:51:38,120
Speaker 1: but on the grounds of I like Laura's character. I

751
00:51:38,160 --> 00:51:41,120
Speaker 1: don't know what happens to her in the other two movies,

752
00:51:41,200 --> 00:51:43,760
Speaker 1: but I appreciated her and I was in her corner

753
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 1: for the whole movie. So I'll do one and a

754
00:51:46,480 --> 00:51:52,920
Speaker 1: half nipples and they're going up Bernard, who way, can

755
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,960
Speaker 1: I give you an update? Female deer have four teeths

756
00:51:56,040 --> 00:52:03,759
Speaker 1: So was I right? Thank you, very good, Grace. I'm

757
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:12,120
Speaker 1: not going to give it five nipples. I'm not, but

758
00:52:12,239 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: I am going to give it two nipples. And the

759
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: reason is simply, that's the amount of nipples. Scott Calvin

760
00:52:18,239 --> 00:52:26,200
Speaker 1: hats fevinist hero and I will play placing those nipples

761
00:52:26,239 --> 00:52:32,879
Speaker 1: firmly on Scott Calvin's chests. You screw them in yourself,

762
00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: those fireproof nipples, and well that's that's the word on

763
00:52:41,360 --> 00:52:44,800
Speaker 1: the Santa Cla. People have been begging, now they haven't.

764
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:51,760
Speaker 1: This is an episode literally no one asked for Grace

765
00:52:51,840 --> 00:52:57,640
Speaker 1: asked for it. First time it's been requestioned. Well, Grace,

766
00:52:57,719 --> 00:53:06,799
Speaker 1: Thank you so much for Grace. And Grace is a

767
00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 1: Denver based comedian, so go see her everywhere. She performs

768
00:53:10,200 --> 00:53:12,960
Speaker 1: all the time. Can I plug my pig? Yes? Yes?

769
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:18,919
Speaker 1: Where can we find online? Um? What if I told

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00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:22,839
Speaker 1: you that that me, Grace Thomas, Denver base comedian, has

771
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:25,440
Speaker 1: a new show one If I told you it's a

772
00:53:25,520 --> 00:53:28,600
Speaker 1: sci fi comedy show with almost no stand up and

773
00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 1: it's a hard sci fi show with a sex robot

774
00:53:32,280 --> 00:53:35,880
Speaker 1: and a super galactic pop star which is me and

775
00:53:36,120 --> 00:53:38,600
Speaker 1: um a bunch of other cool space stuff and the

776
00:53:38,719 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 1: name of the show is Wet Galaxy, and which is

777
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:46,640
Speaker 1: the best name, and it's the first. One is going

778
00:53:46,680 --> 00:53:51,440
Speaker 1: to be on Saturday, January eleven at nine pm at

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Speaker 1: Nude City Relief Center, which is the d I Y Space.

780
00:53:54,960 --> 00:53:57,440
Speaker 1: And you have to email me to get the address,

781
00:53:57,920 --> 00:54:02,879
Speaker 1: but it is going to be very successful, so so

782
00:54:02,920 --> 00:54:07,320
Speaker 1: I would get in on it. Now, where can people

783
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 1: contact you an email you to find out the address?

784
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:12,840
Speaker 1: So you can DM me on Twitter at Grace g

785
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:15,880
Speaker 1: Thomas or you can send me an email to Grace

786
00:54:15,880 --> 00:54:19,799
Speaker 1: Gloria Thomas at gmail dot com. And my email is

787
00:54:19,840 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: also on my Twitter account. And my Twitter account is

788
00:54:22,960 --> 00:54:29,880
Speaker 1: not good, so that's I have bipolar distorder. So sometimes

789
00:54:29,880 --> 00:54:33,520
Speaker 1: you're just going to get anger. But listen, they already

790
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: follow me, so I'm not good. It's good. Yeah, come

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Speaker 1: to w Alexi please January eleven. Is everyone going to

792
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,320
Speaker 1: be there, Please clap if you'll do that, she Jeff

793
00:54:44,320 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: bushed herself. That's a promise. That's a promise. Like those

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Speaker 1: two didn't clap, so they didn't make a promise. Everyone

795
00:54:54,560 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: who made a promise, Grace Thomas class oh man, Well

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Speaker 1: that's our show. Thank you for coming. All right, that

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00:55:13,880 --> 00:55:18,000
Speaker 1: concludes our two part episode on the Santa Clause. We

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Speaker 1: have a lot of people we want to thank, starting

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Speaker 1: with our guest Grace Thomas. Thank you again so much

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Speaker 1: to her for being on the show. She was so so,

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Speaker 1: so so funny. I've truly never laughed harder at a

802
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Speaker 1: live show. So thanks again to Grace. Please follow her

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Speaker 1: on social media and check out her upcoming show in Denver. Also,

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Speaker 1: thank you to Buntport Theater, Thanks to Sam for having

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Speaker 1: us there, and thank you to Ron for recording the show.

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Speaker 1: Thanks to everyone who came out, everyone who asked questions,

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Speaker 1: everyone who bought merch. We loved meeting you and chatting

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Speaker 1: a joy to do that, so thanks for coming out.

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Speaker 1: Amie and I also did a couple of stand up

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Speaker 1: also wanted to thank Marshall and everyone at bar Max

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