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Speaker 5: week the same dy, same day that he was announced.
Speaker 5: Walter Peyton Cowboys Walter Peyton.
Speaker 3: Man of the Year nominee. Right, Zach Martin, you think
Speaker 3: this is.
Speaker 5: It it or just it for the season? Ankle surgery
Speaker 5: announced well a couple of hours ago, probably came out
Speaker 5: out hour or so ago.
Speaker 6: So Todd Archer had a post. There is some contract
Speaker 6: things they could work out where he could possibly come
Speaker 6: back next year. It would help him on the cap
Speaker 6: if he did. But whether he wants to or not, I.
Speaker 3: Don't know, kind of a supervisory role where.
Speaker 4: Oklahoma was Rich hads Whin. I don't know.
Speaker 6: He's technically signed for next year too. I think it
Speaker 6: was pushed.
Speaker 7: Out, so that sucks.
Speaker 3: Well, thinking about you, Zach Man, if this is the end,
Speaker 3: what a hell of a career.
Speaker 5: Let's don't even talk about this being the end, because
Speaker 5: maybe maybe he decides he wants How hard is it
Speaker 5: when you get to the end of your career, Nate,
Speaker 5: and you know, like something like this comes up and
Speaker 5: you know mentally how you have to prepare and what
Speaker 5: you physically have to go through to get back to
Speaker 5: football shape and work through. Or you can just say,
Speaker 5: you know what, I'm done, and I can save eight
Speaker 5: months of my life by not having to rehab this
Speaker 5: and spend every single day on the training table. I
Speaker 5: just want to ride off into the sunset. That's got
Speaker 5: to be the fight that's going on mentally right like.
Speaker 8: For him, Yes, for me, I knew, you know, but
Speaker 8: Caroline wanted Carolina Panthers, thank you.
Speaker 7: They want to give me an extra year check. I
Speaker 7: took him next year.
Speaker 8: Age, tell me you want to try again, I say,
Speaker 8: is anybody calling it pay?
Speaker 7: He said no. I said, well, no, I don't want
Speaker 7: to try. Yeah. I mean, but it's hard to turn
Speaker 7: down the money.
Speaker 8: But the thing is he's had he's had a super
Speaker 8: career and he can go on. He can go in
Speaker 8: a little a lot of different directions. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 8: super smart guy too. Yes, whatever he wants, he can
Speaker 8: do whatever he wants. And believe me, mister Jones will
Speaker 8: been over backwards the guise of that quality to help
Speaker 8: them further their careers and wherever they want to go
Speaker 8: with it.
Speaker 5: Yes, did you never Were you ever close with anybody
Speaker 5: that was kind of face with that dilemma where it's
Speaker 5: like you have an injury and you could probably come
Speaker 5: back for a year or two more, but the work
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to put in and the mental space
Speaker 5: you're gonna have to be in to get back to that,
Speaker 5: and you have to kind of weigh that out to
Speaker 5: where it's like, Man, do I really want to do this?
Speaker 7: Nah?
Speaker 4: I can't say that I was close to anybody, knew
Speaker 4: anybody that was like that. Most most of the times,
Speaker 4: you don't. You don't get the excuse me, you don't
Speaker 4: get the to walk off until the sunset. Most of
Speaker 4: the time they push you out, usually not on your turn.
Speaker 4: It usually not on your term. It's very few people
Speaker 4: get to make it on their terms, you know what
Speaker 4: I mean, Like, that's a luxury, that's a privilege to go, yep,
Speaker 4: this is it for me. This is my uh, this
Speaker 4: will be my my my tour and at the end
Speaker 4: of this year, you'll hang it up. But you know,
Speaker 4: Zach's already talked about or it's been talked about him
Speaker 4: retiring at the end of this year, so it's been
Speaker 4: on his mind and this kind of just almost stamps
Speaker 4: it and says, you know, what more do I have
Speaker 4: to prove? You know what I'm saying. As far as yeah,
Speaker 4: you want to win the championship, those are but this team,
Speaker 4: this team isn't a Zach Martin coming back away from
Speaker 4: a super Bowl run. I think that is a little
Speaker 4: bit different. It's like when you look up, if this
Speaker 4: team was like fighting for a super Bowl over the
Speaker 4: last couple of years, had been to a super Bowl,
Speaker 4: and then you're like, man, I'm more close. I can
Speaker 4: I can gut it out for one more so if
Speaker 4: we can't get there kind of almost like Travis kelcey
Speaker 4: a little bit. You know, I'm sorry, not Travis Kelsey,
Speaker 4: Travis Frederick, No, Chase Jason kelce you know when he
Speaker 4: was like, you know, I'll come on back for one
Speaker 4: more run. Maybe we maybe. But for Zack it's it's
Speaker 4: he's rebuild there not the hard part. It's like rebuild,
Speaker 4: like rebuild my body up for what. I don't have
Speaker 4: anything else. I don't have anything else.
Speaker 3: Personally to prove My resume is written. It's written like
Speaker 3: one more year is not gonna no, like one more.
Speaker 4: Year is only gonna lay his five year countdown to camp,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean? Because him coming back doesn't
Speaker 4: put this team in a position of super Bowl and
Speaker 4: if and if for some crazy off season miracle and
Speaker 4: the Jones is and the front office goes high level
Speaker 4: free agency shopping and put a team together. You're telling
Speaker 4: me the only thing is stopping him for coming back
Speaker 4: is rock Coffin. You know what I mean? Like if
Speaker 4: if he gets to if he gets to April in
Speaker 4: May and he's feeling good and he looks up and
Speaker 4: he goes, oh they put together. They didn't went and
Speaker 4: got this run. They went in time, this high level
Speaker 4: free agent And are they trying to make a run.
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 4: Yeah, Like now you know, now, what's what's stopping him
Speaker 4: from come back? Say call Jerry and telling tell him
Speaker 4: I take a one year, ten million dollar deal solely
Speaker 4: guaranteed and I'll be signed. Well, yeah, that's fine, talking
Speaker 4: about be there a training camp.
Speaker 3: Know you're you know, obviously you hate to see this happen.
Speaker 5: You hate, but you know you're always in favor for
Speaker 5: the young guys getting some play in time.
Speaker 3: What does this mean for brock Hoffman now.
Speaker 8: That we're gonna see if he can sustain it, Well,
Speaker 8: he's shown earlier. We're gonna see if he can contain it,
Speaker 8: sustain it because the tape is slowly building on him.
Speaker 3: And just see how many people he can piss off
Speaker 3: between now and the year.
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, that'll be the fun thing. All right, Nate,
Speaker 9: it's a big day for you. This is a big
Speaker 9: day two years in the making. All right, Joe Burrow's
Speaker 9: coming to town. Let's have it, Nate. This is your segments.
Speaker 8: First and passing yards yards, pre game, passing touchdowns with
Speaker 8: thirty thirty QBR, four.
Speaker 7: Off and passer rating.
Speaker 8: I heard something on the fan where it's only been
Speaker 8: a handful of quarterbacks like.
Speaker 4: You heard it. Can you keep talking? I got to
Speaker 4: start for you. Yeah, I'm talking this.
Speaker 8: This guy is supposed to be at least won eleven games.
Speaker 8: He's supposed to be eleven in soon performing he been
Speaker 8: based on his performance alone. And then you add in
Speaker 8: uh Chase and this.
Speaker 3: Is and they got a nice running back too.
Speaker 7: You saw you.
Speaker 8: We criticized that the Cowboys for not testing the free
Speaker 8: agent market. They should just go out right now try
Speaker 8: to find everybody they can on defense.
Speaker 4: So this is from from Bobby bel Yes, sir, listen
Speaker 4: to this. Quarterbacks with thirty plus touchdowns, thank you, Bobby
Speaker 4: Belt and five or fewer interceptions to the first twelve
Speaker 4: games of the season. These are the quarterbacks and this
Speaker 4: is their record in two thousand and seven, Tom Brady's
Speaker 4: twelve and OHO twenty eleven, Aaron Rodgers twelve and OHO fourteen,
Speaker 4: Aaron Rodgers nine in three eighteen, Drew Brees ten and
Speaker 4: two twenty twenty, Patrick Mahomes eleven to one, Aaron Rodgers
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty nine and three, Joe Burrow twenty twenty four,
Speaker 4: four and eight. Statistically, right now, Joe Burrow, I'll hand
Speaker 4: it back to night. Joe Burrow statistically is having a
Speaker 4: better season in twenty twenty four than he did when
Speaker 4: he finished second in the MVP bowlings in twenty twenty two.
Speaker 7: With a hurt risk, with a beat up body.
Speaker 6: Any chance he'd be an MVP running this time?
Speaker 3: No, No, because the record.
Speaker 6: I won't separate the defense. That's too bad.
Speaker 3: You had a stat similar to that earlier this week?
Speaker 4: What what was it?
Speaker 5: Was?
Speaker 3: Something very similar?
Speaker 4: I don't remember.
Speaker 3: I think it was that that thing?
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, yeah, I'd say Bobby Belt should have credited
Speaker 5: you because you said it like on Tuesday, what that
Speaker 5: same stat?
Speaker 3: Maybe even Monday you did?
Speaker 10: Did?
Speaker 11: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I forgot about it?
Speaker 4: Did I not credit him for it?
Speaker 3: On too many shows?
Speaker 11: Bro?
Speaker 4: I won't wait too.
Speaker 8: I tell her him man, I'm glad you kept it
Speaker 8: because I bet I this guy and Jesse cracked the joke,
Speaker 8: but it was a serious, you know, joke about this
Speaker 8: kid has been thrown to pro players even in college.
Speaker 8: And I thought back to what he said, just so
Speaker 8: I could add to it. Even at Ohio State when
Speaker 8: he was the backup, he was throwing the pro players,
Speaker 8: and so in his mind and his because it's him
Speaker 8: and his dad is close in his mind and his
Speaker 8: dad mind say, son, you throwing the pros. Just don't
Speaker 8: miss him, you know, And it's carried on. And I
Speaker 8: like him. I've always liked him, and especially his maturity
Speaker 8: of going to l s U having a just so
Speaker 8: he was with Brady. Then I think the office cordinators
Speaker 8: Joe Brady, Joe Brady, and he was just had an
Speaker 8: average years as a first year guy is a sophomore
Speaker 8: junior year and then his next year he won a
Speaker 8: national championship. And to be able to corral all those
Speaker 8: alpha males, l that's you way. Football is everything.
Speaker 7: The only thing.
Speaker 8: That was special that was special down Uh what you
Speaker 8: do is you uh you get the ball first. When
Speaker 8: they flip the coin, you have a double headed coin.
Speaker 8: And you hit when it hit whatever it hits, you say,
Speaker 8: that's what we want.
Speaker 7: We want the ball and we.
Speaker 8: Score six every time we touched the ball, and we
Speaker 8: sco first, and we sco often, and we don't turn
Speaker 8: the ball over drives.
Speaker 5: Which things of those is this team not good at
Speaker 5: doing this year? Above maybe scoring first, scoring scoring often?
Speaker 3: Hopefully they got a double headed coin.
Speaker 4: Do they drive touchdown this year? I don't think they
Speaker 4: have an open and drive touchdown. The ship just did
Speaker 4: like they had a third quarter touchdown.
Speaker 3: Hey.
Speaker 4: But to answer we'll try to answer Kirch question. Joe Burrow,
Speaker 4: Like the offense, the player is red hot right now,
Speaker 4: like he's playing some really really, really really good football.
Speaker 4: But I think the one thing that has been successful
Speaker 4: at confusing him as to get him hesitating, to get
Speaker 4: him off kilter a little bit, his offensive line. I mean,
Speaker 4: he's what a poor job Cincinnati has done in the
Speaker 4: year of in the years of Joe Burrow with not
Speaker 4: putting an offensive line in front of him, Like just
Speaker 4: I know they try to sign Liel and some other guys,
Speaker 4: but he has had, you know, talk about an embarrassment
Speaker 4: of riches the Cowboys. I don't think you understand how
Speaker 4: good you've had it over the years at times where
Speaker 4: you were you know, even when you go back to
Speaker 4: the Ron Leary days and Ron Leary's and when you
Speaker 4: had Zach and Ron Leary and Travis Frederick and Tyron
Speaker 4: Smith like, I don't I don't think you really really
Speaker 4: truly understand. And that's side note. That's part of when
Speaker 4: you think about how Zach Martin is getting ready to
Speaker 4: end his career. You know there was a time where
Speaker 4: it was Tyran and Travis and Zach, and you know
Speaker 4: that line was you wanted to take that and have
Speaker 4: a bigger that's so huge because you look at a
Speaker 4: guy like Joe Burrow, who is everything you want in
Speaker 4: a quarterback, smart, can make all the throws mobile, tough,
Speaker 4: and boy does he take a beat behind that offensive line.
Speaker 4: If you could, ever, if you could ever just throw
Speaker 4: the kitchen sink and money and pay sos and yen
Speaker 4: and whatever you want to call it at getting him
Speaker 4: an offensive line that can keep him upright for a
Speaker 4: long like for the majority of the season like he's doing.
Speaker 4: He's doing thirty plus touchdowns and five a few interceptions
Speaker 4: behind an offensive line that ain't that good.
Speaker 3: PFF.
Speaker 5: You know how Kurt loves PFF has them ranked thirty
Speaker 5: first in the NFL as an offensive line.
Speaker 4: It's it's it's bad.
Speaker 7: And he makes them look way better.
Speaker 3: How how is he that good that he's able to
Speaker 3: overcome that?
Speaker 7: Is that?
Speaker 10: Like?
Speaker 3: What what makes him so good? Is it? His reads?
Speaker 8: Is it?
Speaker 3: His no knowledge of the game? Is it?
Speaker 4: It's his pocket presence. It's his pocket presence, it's his understanding.
Speaker 4: It's getting the ball out quickly. He has a strong arm.
Speaker 4: He takes some sacks, takes a lot, it takes a
Speaker 4: lot of hits. But like I said, he moves around
Speaker 4: the pocket. One of the things that the Cowboys have
Speaker 4: been doing and should continue to do, it's a Mike
Speaker 4: Zimmer staple is getting to that double a gap. Look
Speaker 4: that's where you see those two linebackers standing on both
Speaker 4: sides of the center. Yes, right, you see Micah and
Speaker 4: it Sometimes it's Micah and Overshown. Sometimes it's it's Micah
Speaker 4: and it's Kendrick's whatever the combination is. Because what they've
Speaker 4: been doing, No, let's do this. Let's take off a break.
Speaker 4: Let's take a break, and then when we come back,
Speaker 4: I'll tell you more about the double a gap and
Speaker 4: house him and the defense should do it to kind
Speaker 4: of throw Joe Burrow off a little bit.
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Speaker 4: Curtin asked the question on what do the cowboys have
Speaker 4: to do defensively to stop this red hot uh Joe
Speaker 4: Burrow and the Bengals offense, and I wanted to just
Speaker 4: talk a little bit about what uh Mike Zimmer has
Speaker 4: been doing over the last couple of weeks. He's kind
Speaker 4: of this defense has found their way a little bit.
Speaker 4: And in the Bengals offensive line and not really good centers,
Speaker 4: decent the right guard Alice Kapak, like he's what you
Speaker 4: call mouse in the house. Like he's the one you go, yeah,
Speaker 4: you that, yeah, you You're the guy that we're going
Speaker 4: You're the one that we're gonna we're gonna target. And uh,
Speaker 4: Orlando Brown Jr. He's had his ups and down to
Speaker 4: the left tackle position. Mems Are is okay, younger guy.
Speaker 4: But one of the things that Zim has been doing
Speaker 4: and he's been using this this this has been a
Speaker 4: Mike Zim staple for as long as he's been a
Speaker 4: defensive coordinator. It's the double a gap blitz and you
Speaker 4: take the center and right over both shoulders, the right
Speaker 4: and left center. You'll just have two linebackers or two
Speaker 4: rushers standing right over top of him and by sometimes
Speaker 4: Mike blitz him right in between those gaps. Sometimes he
Speaker 4: blitz one drops one in the coverage.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 4: Sometimes he plays some games otherwhere sometimes he'll have him
Speaker 4: standing there and all of a sudden they'll back out
Speaker 4: into the flats and they'll bring two guys off the
Speaker 4: ends as those other blitzers trying to get the off
Speaker 4: defensive line to miscount, right, because when they mug up
Speaker 4: in there, the center and the guards are now point
Speaker 4: and saying, hey, you take him, you take him. And
Speaker 4: when I watched the Pittsburgh tape, what the Bengals were
Speaker 4: doing was they were they were motioning their tight end
Speaker 4: back in there. They were motioning there, back back in there,
Speaker 4: and they would kind of have those guys playing like
Speaker 4: the personal protector, you know, like the guys standing right
Speaker 4: behind the center. So they're doing that, but even then
Speaker 4: they're still missing the count because they're out there pointing
Speaker 4: and there you got him, and I got him, and
Speaker 4: then no, no, and then the ball snapped and two
Speaker 4: guys go to the same guy that they just had
Speaker 4: pointed that you go that where you go that way?
Speaker 4: He comes a guy one on you know, he comes
Speaker 4: a defensive tackle one on one with the with the
Speaker 4: tight end or with the running back. And what that
Speaker 4: does is it puts the pressure right in the mug
Speaker 4: of Joe Burrow and I put a quick little video
Speaker 4: out this morning and I talked about, uh, for Joe Burrow,
Speaker 4: if you're gonna have success on him, you gotta make
Speaker 4: them flinch. You gotta make them You have to take
Speaker 4: away his first read so that now he's double pumping
Speaker 4: and double clutching the football right Because if he gets
Speaker 4: back there and he snaps the ball and he got
Speaker 4: his red going and he can catch it and deliver it,
Speaker 4: you're in trouble. You don't want him to get in
Speaker 4: that rhythm, but you want to be a for him
Speaker 4: to get the ball and now it's oh not there
Speaker 4: because his line can't hold up enough for him to
Speaker 4: go second, third read or one two back to one,
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. Like he'll go first reading,
Speaker 4: not there, second read back to one again the line
Speaker 4: won't hold up for that. So a lot of what
Speaker 4: he has to do is he has to be able
Speaker 4: to get to that first read or get to that
Speaker 4: second read right now. And you'll see, you know, going
Speaker 4: out to the backs, you'll see the tight ends and
Speaker 4: that'll probably be one of my numbers tomorrow. But when
Speaker 4: you see Joe Burrow, if he gets a chance to
Speaker 4: have time back there. I don't care who's out there
Speaker 4: defending those guys. I just I just I don't.
Speaker 3: So you got to get pressure this week.
Speaker 4: You have to find a way. But the pressure in
Speaker 4: his mug and he's but he's mobile. So like when
Speaker 4: you get home, you gotta get there because he has
Speaker 4: really good pocket. You know, two hands on the ball
Speaker 4: and he's moving up in the pocket, ship around in
Speaker 4: the pocket. He'll step up if the lane presents itself
Speaker 4: and it's the last resort he'll take off. He'll take
Speaker 4: off when you get a couple of yards here and there.
Speaker 4: But if he can step up in that pocket, sometimes
Speaker 4: his balls aren't as accurate when he has to step up,
Speaker 4: or if you have to chase him out to the
Speaker 4: to his left. The right, he's a little bit better,
Speaker 4: but chase him out to his left. That's how you
Speaker 4: get Joe Burrow kind of playing backyard football. If you
Speaker 4: and I'm not saying that he's he's good, right, he'll
Speaker 4: still complete passes, but the percentages of the passes that
Speaker 4: he completes when he's playing backyard football opposed to what
Speaker 4: he's playing in the pocket football is markedly different. And
Speaker 4: if he's allowed to sit in that pocket and play
Speaker 4: traditional quarterbacking from the pocket, and you're not able to
Speaker 4: get the pressure that you need on him. You're in trouble.
Speaker 4: You are, you are, And that's when you talk about
Speaker 4: the points that you know, the twenty eight, the thirties,
Speaker 4: the thirty five point games is because it's on the
Speaker 4: arm of Joe Burrow.
Speaker 3: He's six four. I didn't realize he was that tall. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: man fifteen.
Speaker 6: So I was wondering, like, would you because you know
Speaker 6: it's our pass rusher going to get to him, so
Speaker 6: you would prefer they blitz instead of dropping more guys back.
Speaker 4: He'll eat you apart like he he doesn't. If you
Speaker 4: with Dak, you know Dak struggles with having to read
Speaker 4: through multiple layers of defense and all that. He will
Speaker 4: he will eat your lunch if you let him sit
Speaker 4: back there and sift through. I don't give a damn
Speaker 4: how many people you dropping. You can bring two more
Speaker 4: guys off the sideline and have thirteen guys out there.
Speaker 4: He'll sift through it. And he has the arm to
Speaker 4: make any throw heep, short, intermediate, sideline, hash. Whatever you want,
Speaker 4: however you want it, he'll give it to you. You
Speaker 4: gotta get him off his spot.
Speaker 8: And in whoever the offensive coordinator is is great at
Speaker 8: working with him and the receivers because even when he
Speaker 8: has to escape the pockets, you don't see a lot
Speaker 8: of him waving guys around and moving guys around. It's
Speaker 8: like they run layers of routes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, their head coach.
Speaker 8: Man, he is nice because you never you never see
Speaker 8: him panicking.
Speaker 7: Come out and you know what I'm saying. You see
Speaker 7: most quarterbacks trying to direct somebody.
Speaker 8: It's just seemed like number one, a number five, a
Speaker 8: number thirty is always open. The thirty is a running
Speaker 8: back Chase Brown, and five is t Higgins and number
Speaker 8: one is Jamar Chase.
Speaker 7: Some about them single numbers. Boy been killing us this year.
Speaker 7: I'm telling you they are.
Speaker 3: It's like he's always open, man.
Speaker 5: Huh.
Speaker 8: I wouldn't mind seeing a young Belichick Patriots go against
Speaker 8: this when they had Tom Brady. They proud would like
Speaker 8: to see how he would attack the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 3: Who was the running back to start the year he
Speaker 3: got hurt, Right, Chase.
Speaker 4: Brown's are a guy now right, you're thinking of uh,
Speaker 4: he's not there anymore. He's in Houston. They used to
Speaker 4: have mix Houston.
Speaker 3: He's in Houston, so Chase Brown.
Speaker 4: He ran over us a couple of weeks ago.
Speaker 5: Remember, yeah, I remember, I remember one of my fantasy get.
Speaker 4: Three touchdowns whenever you get a shot. Well, just calling
Speaker 4: SPA's faith.
Speaker 3: Why ain't taking my papers? My papers? You have mann.
Speaker 8: We got we gotta score. We gotta score touchdowns. We
Speaker 8: gotta score often, we gotta score early. We got to
Speaker 8: get the ball. You gotta get turnovers.
Speaker 4: You know what. And I said this maybe two three
Speaker 4: days ago. You know about Michael Parsons and him being fresher,
Speaker 4: you know, and I think a lot of that has
Speaker 4: to do with him missing those four games. I don't
Speaker 4: wish injury on anybody. But what you're able to see now,
Speaker 4: think Micah has about six and a half sacks on
Speaker 4: the season. He's five in the last couple of games
Speaker 4: that he's been playing in. But you're seeing a much
Speaker 4: fresher Micah. You're you're, you're, you're, you're seeing him at
Speaker 4: closer to fuller strength than you have in the past.
Speaker 4: Normally this time of years where we look around and
Speaker 4: we go, hey, eleven, where where you at? You know,
Speaker 4: because you see the numbers dip the past, the pressure
Speaker 4: is that dip and the the sacks and numbers dip
Speaker 4: and and a lot of this stuff. You know, people
Speaker 4: ask the question, well, you know, what has happened to
Speaker 4: the to the Cowboys defense? And it seemed like it's
Speaker 4: coming together more. It seems like it's coming together more. Yeah,
Speaker 4: it's number eleven. He's back into the folds. He's fresher.
Speaker 4: And also Mike Zim because when you're trying to when
Speaker 4: you're trying to put Toget in a system or your system, what,
Speaker 4: it's always two parts. It's like, all right, here's why
Speaker 4: I think we should start. And then you get into
Speaker 4: it and you either have injuries or you run into
Speaker 4: a spot where you go, oh, this person can't do that.
Speaker 4: So now I have to figure out who can do
Speaker 4: what I think Mike Zim is found an off a
Speaker 4: defensive line rotation that's been pretty good with with Osa
Speaker 4: and with Ghodstan and uh what's the old he got
Speaker 4: who lost and lost and lost and lost. So he's
Speaker 4: found a rotation that's given him an opportunity to all right, this,
Speaker 4: this is our base. This is where we're going. You
Speaker 4: know over shown Remember he couldn't get on the field
Speaker 4: before uh Lewis, Lewis, Marris, Louis Foule and it was
Speaker 4: like and uh and then it was like, well, a
Speaker 4: second thought, let's get him out there on the football field.
Speaker 4: So they found some things that have been working for them.
Speaker 4: I don't know if Trayvon Diggs will be available. He
Speaker 4: did the walk through yesterday. I don't know. I don't
Speaker 4: know if he has what his status will be. To
Speaker 4: not have him, to have him and Deron Bland gives
Speaker 4: you a little bit more comfort because you're saying, all right,
Speaker 4: T Higgins, Jamar Chase, and Diggs for the most part
Speaker 4: has done pretty well against Jamar Chase. But you know,
Speaker 4: ye even said no that don't say that out loud.
Speaker 4: That's not a real thing. I don't I don't want you.
Speaker 4: I don't want you to say that. I don't want
Speaker 4: you to fall into that track. But T Higgins and
Speaker 4: Jamar Chase pose a problem. But if you have Deron
Speaker 4: Bland and uh Stefan Trayvon Diggs, that that's a better
Speaker 4: situation for them to to hold up. And now you
Speaker 4: can leave Jorge Lewis in that slot. But if you
Speaker 4: don't have one of them. Now we're playing musical chairs again.
Speaker 4: And and does Jeorde Lewis go outside and Jeorde Louis
Speaker 4: goes outside, then what side is he going to? Because listen,
Speaker 4: I like Jeorge Lewis, like the next man, like John Willis.
Speaker 4: I think he's tough, gritty, good football player. He don't
Speaker 4: want that, he don't want that smoke with Jamar Chase.
Speaker 4: And if you have to go against t Higgins, it's
Speaker 4: it's six foot five, six foot six against the five
Speaker 4: eight guy that that won't that won't work out for
Speaker 4: you in the long run, you know, throughout the course
Speaker 4: of the game. So it's it's it's a lot, it's
Speaker 4: a lot.
Speaker 6: Then what best receiver combo in the league?
Speaker 3: Hang on, let's let's wait.
Speaker 5: We got to take a break because that's a really
Speaker 5: big conversation with some really big dudes.
Speaker 3: We need to spend some time on Jamar Chase when
Speaker 3: we go.
Speaker 5: Before we go to break, here's some nots so reassuring
Speaker 5: facts that Kurt gave us. Cincinnati is second in the
Speaker 5: NFL and red zone offense at seventy one point one percent.
Speaker 5: The Cowboys defense is last at defending in the red
Speaker 5: zone at seventy six. And here's another not so reassuring fact.
Speaker 5: We know how the Cowboys scoring woes in the first quarter.
Speaker 5: Cincinnati has outscored their opponents sixty nine to thirty eight.
Speaker 5: In the first quarter, the Cowboys have been outscored thirty
Speaker 5: five to eighty five.
Speaker 7: You aan under the one nine nigga.
Speaker 5: You can't afford and the Cowboys are only a five
Speaker 5: point underdog.
Speaker 4: So but at home, that's a lot.
Speaker 6: That's that's a lot of against the four and eighteen.
Speaker 4: That's yeah, a little.
Speaker 3: Surprising that lost their last game last two.
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Speaker 5: Welcome back to the final segment of Hanging with the Boys,
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Speaker 5: let's talk about that man, Lamar Chase.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they had a lot of They got a couple
Speaker 3: of the man on their team.
Speaker 5: Right, is he the best? I think him and the
Speaker 5: T Higgins are probably the best one two duo in
Speaker 5: the league. I mean the guys in Philly probably have
Speaker 5: something to say about that, Right is.
Speaker 3: He the best receiver in the league?
Speaker 5: Tim and Jefferson and that's and then and then everybody
Speaker 5: else else.
Speaker 4: Tyreek Hill used to be in that conversation. Not so
Speaker 4: much anymore, but I think those two are you know,
Speaker 4: we do Patrick Mahoney put them in, then we say
Speaker 4: everyone else. I think I think it's and it's so crazy,
Speaker 4: like these sore the dudes that Joe Burrow was.
Speaker 6: That's why I wondered if he'd be a good pro
Speaker 6: because he's such great talent in college.
Speaker 8: It's crazy because none of the well none of the
Speaker 8: Bama quarterback except the kid in Miami, and he keeps
Speaker 8: running into things.
Speaker 15: You know, so they might be to think that you
Speaker 15: have the dudes in Philly, right, hm, who else is
Speaker 15: even that strong?
Speaker 3: At one when.
Speaker 7: They rank with the you know the people that you like,
Speaker 7: they have access.
Speaker 6: T Higgins ranked fourth and Chase ranked seventeen for some
Speaker 6: random that's weird.
Speaker 3: Where you cannot reference their site anymore. That's a disgrace.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's you got to question some of their stuff.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's they probably have some weird metric that they
Speaker 4: just that's like, you know, it's like whoa, but the
Speaker 4: percentages say that. But T Higgins and Jamar Chase are
Speaker 4: probably the best duo. What makes what.
Speaker 3: Makes Jamar Chase so good? For people that haven't watched him.
Speaker 4: There's nothing he can't do. M you can't press him.
Speaker 4: The fast fast, I mean he's not he's not a
Speaker 4: four to two, four to three guy, but he's fast.
Speaker 4: You can't press him. He runs great routes. He catches
Speaker 4: the ball at any angle you need him to catch
Speaker 4: him to. He can. He can take a slant to
Speaker 4: the house, he can take a curl to the house.
Speaker 4: He can take a goal route to the house. Like
Speaker 4: he's just he is.
Speaker 7: He is.
Speaker 4: He has size, he has athletic ability, fearless, he's a
Speaker 4: he's a complete package. Yeah, it's nothing that he cannot do.
Speaker 4: He'll run away from you, He'll he'll jump over you. Wow,
Speaker 4: you're not like.
Speaker 3: And he's not a huge guy. He's six foot you know, yeah.
Speaker 6: He's but he's then what's the what does Higgins bring
Speaker 6: that he doesn't?
Speaker 4: Uh, she's sixty five. He can run, he can run
Speaker 4: routes the coming six ' five dude with thirty six
Speaker 4: seven inch arms, the catch radius right, Like that's that's
Speaker 4: all of this, Like you know how hard it is
Speaker 4: to miss, Like it's hard to miss with this if
Speaker 4: you're Cooper rush let alone, if you're Joe Burrow, you
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying. He has really good hands. He's
Speaker 4: a dog, and so you put them, you put them
Speaker 4: out there. It's just a it's a matchup nightmare because
Speaker 4: you can't double both. And if you if you decide
Speaker 4: to take that safety and shift him on the other
Speaker 4: side to cover number one Jamar Chase, and then you're
Speaker 4: telling your number two corner good luck because we gotta
Speaker 4: were over here with double and him. Now you gotta
Speaker 4: deal with T. Higgins. I think the only that's really
Speaker 4: hitting her T Higgins primarily has been his health is
Speaker 4: being able to you know, he has a slender frame,
Speaker 4: but his ability to stay healthy.
Speaker 6: They don't they don't follow receivers, do They generally play
Speaker 6: who cowboys.
Speaker 4: Diggs had did that before, he did that before. I
Speaker 4: remember there's one time when I was last year that
Speaker 4: they allowed, uh, they allowed. Gilly was following a J.
Speaker 4: Brown at like the second half of a game or
Speaker 4: something like that. No, it was it. It was was
Speaker 4: the DK metcalf. It was a bigger receiver, and Gilly
Speaker 4: was like, nah, I'm over here, and it shut down
Speaker 4: what he was able to do, thinking, my boy, right
Speaker 4: there they go, they go, Uh, this.
Speaker 7: Dude got on the right hat. Them long huns too
Speaker 7: arrogant to do stuff like that.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Clarence Hill over at all City, d LS Cowboys
Speaker 4: beat writer.
Speaker 8: But yeah, big man shot, big man shot, Yeah, d
Speaker 8: L S s L.
Speaker 6: That is so what do you what do you like
Speaker 6: them to do better? Would you rather the top guy
Speaker 6: take him one on one or the top guy take
Speaker 6: the second man and you double the.
Speaker 4: One on one. When he said when he said earlier,
Speaker 4: I would have loved to see what young Bill Belichick
Speaker 4: would have done to stop this duo. It would have
Speaker 4: been just that. It would have been. It would have
Speaker 4: been who is my number one corner? You take number two,
Speaker 4: and then now I'm gonna double number one with my
Speaker 4: backup corner in the safety and just now everyone else,
Speaker 4: y'all gotta do you'all job, because we're gonna take We're
Speaker 4: gonna take at least one of these dudes out. At
Speaker 4: least one of these dudes got to go out, and
Speaker 4: then we'll figure out the rest as we go along.
Speaker 4: But that's when he said that. My thought process was
Speaker 4: what you just said, that I will take my number,
Speaker 4: my number, uh one corner put them on that on
Speaker 4: t Higgins and and and Diggs actually does really well
Speaker 4: with bigger receivers. It's the short, shifty, little quick guys
Speaker 4: that he that he struggles with. And then just go,
Speaker 4: just go and double, just go and double the other off.
Speaker 3: The line that you're gonna go off the line.
Speaker 11: It yet.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna punch.
Speaker 5: Just like, yeah, let's create the studio until you got
Speaker 5: another band standing across.
Speaker 3: When you're punching me, punch his back.
Speaker 4: Gonna take it to the gatoray cud coolest. Let you
Speaker 4: go take it out to the gatorade.
Speaker 7: Friend behind that very same I lost a deal. Alvin
Speaker 7: Bailey was his name, not the guy you talked about,
Speaker 7: the guy that.
Speaker 8: You know was the out guy like Jesse was on
Speaker 8: the punts and I told her, I said, man, I said, man,
Speaker 8: I'll get you, you know, and uh, you put hands
Speaker 8: on him? And I put hands on him and he
Speaker 8: never spoke to me. Wow, I lost the friend behind that.
Speaker 4: Man, don't do it.
Speaker 7: Don't go on.
Speaker 5: Speaking of putting hands on folks, We've heard some talk
Speaker 5: recently that Mazzie is getting a little bit better.
Speaker 3: What if you've seen that? Is he improving? Is it?
Speaker 5: Is?
Speaker 3: It? Is it things he can work on and continue
Speaker 3: to build on?
Speaker 8: Uh to be I'm not. I haven't watched that close
Speaker 8: that much of Massie. I really have a playof to play,
Speaker 8: Like I used to win the season first.
Speaker 7: I used to just play out the play just asphyxiating
Speaker 7: on this kids, I said, you know what break between
Speaker 7: me and Jess?
Speaker 4: Interesting that you that you I about Mozzi. I know Clarence,
Speaker 4: just Bobby Clarence wrote the story on Mozzi. And you
Speaker 4: know the funny thing is, and I say the funny
Speaker 4: thing because I always get on claries about saying that
Speaker 4: on our show, is when you're in the valley, like
Speaker 4: when you're when you're in the valley in the basement,
Speaker 4: you only got what like you only got one place
Speaker 4: to go, and that's up. And for Mozzie, I think
Speaker 4: it's you're seeing some of the For example of the
Speaker 4: one of Mozzi's biggest issues, the ball is snapped and
Speaker 4: he's stelling the stands for whatever reason, he just would
Speaker 4: not be able to see the ball because he's right
Speaker 4: next to it, the ball being snapped, and him moving
Speaker 4: as the ball is being snapped. What he's gotten better
Speaker 4: with is timing the ball being snapped because and Nate
Speaker 4: will tell you this, if the ball is snapped and
Speaker 4: I got half a step on you while you're still
Speaker 4: in your stands, good luck. Because once because now if
Speaker 4: you're rising up and I'm already up and I'm stepping,
Speaker 4: I'm a half step stepping towards you, I'm driving you
Speaker 4: to the gatorades, You're gone. There's no way my step
Speaker 4: is already to that upfielled shoulder. I got this hand
Speaker 4: getting ready to make contact with You're done, You're done.
Speaker 4: We're in this close quarter in the phone both combat
Speaker 4: type situation and if you're late getting to combat, good luck.
Speaker 4: So that part he's been doing better with just getting
Speaker 4: off the ball ball snap, He's moving like he's moving
Speaker 4: when the ball is moving at the same time, and
Speaker 4: that has helped him get back at least to a
Speaker 4: fair advantage of strength, or strength at least. Now I
Speaker 4: get a chance to initiate a little bit of my
Speaker 4: strength towards you, and that gives me a fighting chance.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna win some of these I'm gonna win some
Speaker 4: of these battles because I've started out and we're at
Speaker 4: least even even right, And like that's the part that
Speaker 4: he's at least got better in there. And then now
Speaker 4: you're starting to see he's getting some penetration. He's pushed
Speaker 4: some guys back, because again I'm starting when everyone else
Speaker 4: is starting. So now I get to we get to
Speaker 4: move and shake with you. And now I got I
Speaker 4: got Micah back. So guys are shifting. Lines are shifting,
Speaker 4: Guys are going here. We're playing some games. So now
Speaker 4: I'm because I'm moving when everybody else's moving, I get
Speaker 4: an edge. If I get an edge, then maybe I
Speaker 4: get around you.
Speaker 8: Now I'm making with my linebacker can't be wrong because
Speaker 8: he's pushing the guy back. And once you push your
Speaker 8: guy back, now the linebackers coming downhill, he can see
Speaker 8: what the running back see and he can react to that,
Speaker 8: whereas before you pushing back on top of me, I'm
Speaker 8: the linebacker going over the hump your back just now
Speaker 8: the back he's playing the game.
Speaker 7: I'm going where you ain't. So he gives a linebacker
Speaker 7: chance to win. So for him, he's doing.
Speaker 4: He's gotten better in that aspect. And and that's a plus.
Speaker 4: Now it's it's it ain't where we need it right,
Speaker 4: you know, but it's it gives him a fighting chance.
Speaker 4: You you you you not getting off the ball in time,
Speaker 4: I'm telling you, it's it's it's someone punching you in
Speaker 4: the It's someone punching you in the face. And then
Speaker 4: you bring up your arms, you're knocked out, you know.
Speaker 4: So that's a small thing that he's been able to
Speaker 4: do that I've seen over the last couple of weeks,
Speaker 4: is just getting off the ball. And and with that
Speaker 4: you gotta fighting chance. And now you got to start
Speaker 4: putting some other things together. And and when you play
Speaker 4: better competition, can you sustain it? So for Mazie, you know,
Speaker 4: and he's feeling good and not get it. We we
Speaker 4: we pile on uh to Masie. And it's sometimes it's
Speaker 4: it's a it's low hanging fruit. It's easy target because
Speaker 4: you were a first round pick and everybody wanted you
Speaker 4: and inspected you. This team expected you to be a player,
Speaker 4: a significant player. We've been asking for a bit greasy
Speaker 4: in the middle. Hell since I've been on this show,
Speaker 4: and you were supposed to be that guy, whether it
Speaker 4: was one or three or however they wanted to play.
Speaker 4: You were supposed to give them something on the inside,
Speaker 4: and you hadn't for a year and a half. And
Speaker 4: so you know, having these couple of games made continue
Speaker 4: to to give them confidence. But one of the things
Speaker 4: that he has been doing is, like I said earlier,
Speaker 4: is getting off the ball when everybody else.
Speaker 3: Is all right, fellas, good stuff. Tomorrow, give us a call.
Speaker 3: We will take phone calls. Get your score predictions, give
Speaker 3: you ours.
Speaker 5: No show on Monday, So tomorrow's the last show till Tuesday,
Speaker 5: Monday night game at at and T Stadium and Arlington
Speaker 5: cannot wait.
Speaker 7: Nate's really Joe Burrow is the best.
Speaker 8: But man, since my boy in Philadelphia left, I've got
Speaker 8: I got that's my man.
Speaker 3: Are you gonna be uh? Are you gonna be at the.
Speaker 7: Stadium at the stadium out side in the cold, are.
Speaker 3: You get to oh in the cold year.
Speaker 7: I don't like it, but I'm gonna have to do it.
Speaker 3: But you get to see Joe Burrow in person.
Speaker 7: Where do y'all go inside to walk to the press box?
Speaker 8: So you go to press box and again I sit
Speaker 8: over there with the security because I like to talk.
Speaker 3: And I don't like So you're watching on the TV
Speaker 3: on TV Focus.
Speaker 5: Nice Chris, thanks for keeping us on the air. Jazz
Speaker 5: and Josh, thanks for keeping them company. We will be
Speaker 5: back tomorrow with score predictions on Friday one one hundred,
Speaker 5: Oh Lord, one on one one hundred, All right, be
Speaker 5: back tomorrow.
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