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Speaker 2: I'm good. I love you. I don't remember if the

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Speaker 2: last time I saw you was on my show, but

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Speaker 2: you're one of the people that I feel like I'm

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Speaker 2: I just have good memories of you, and I can't

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Speaker 2: even I feel like I know you or we're friends.

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Speaker 2: But I've met you only a couple times. And do

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Speaker 2: you were on my show, but I feel like I

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Speaker 2: Oh good, you like me. You have no idea, but

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Speaker 2: you know you know me right of course, right, like

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Speaker 2: we know each other, but I don't have I mean,

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Speaker 2: we both blacked out, honestly.

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Speaker 1: I just think that, you know, we just probably run

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Speaker 1: into so many people so often that, like, you know,

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Speaker 1: it's not like sometimes I feel bad. They're like you

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Speaker 1: remember me from this and from that, I'm like, oh

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Speaker 2: I know likewise, but I like you. I've always liked you,

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Speaker 2: and I'm really excited that you're here and to chat

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Speaker 2: with you. And I'm a little like hazy today because

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Speaker 2: you get anxiety? I read it. I was reading everything

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Speaker 1: Yeah, every single morning for me ractly. And I talk

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Speaker 2: And you know you can indulge it or try to not.

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Speaker 2: And it's funny because sometimes you're tired and you drink

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I do the gym five days a week. I

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Speaker 2: So you have two you have two sons? Okay?

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Speaker 1: How old are they or an eleven? Oh?

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Speaker 2: Wow? Okay? How is motherhood like? Do you feel like

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Speaker 1: Honestly, I feel like that most of my anxiety probably

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Speaker 2: It's interesting mine is not. That's a piece of it.

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Speaker 2: But it's funny you say that because I was talking

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Speaker 1: No, I get it. I get it. And even just heartbreaks,

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Speaker 2: I don't know if you saw my video last week

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Speaker 1: And it's so funny because I'm forty now, so like

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Speaker 2: Totally one hundred percent. Think of it. I read about

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Speaker 2: you and you experienced bullying, and like, we can't wrap

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Speaker 1: And just with the next generation, it's like you don't

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Speaker 1: Yeah, So I just got the cover of Galore so

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Speaker 2: So it's I like the I like the show. It's

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Speaker 2: very that's very unique, and I love I love that.

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Speaker 2: So are you a sexual person or you've just utilized

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Speaker 1: Not I would say not at all, because I've a

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Speaker 1: because if she was a whack artist, he would have

429
00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:11,359
Speaker 1: never used it. But because she is a writer and

430
00:23:11,440 --> 00:23:15,960
Speaker 1: a lyricist and she is who she is, that's insane.

431
00:23:16,080 --> 00:23:18,720
Speaker 2: That's an insane story. I mean she's Nicki Minaj. That's

432
00:23:18,720 --> 00:23:19,720
Speaker 2: a major story.

433
00:23:20,440 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's crazy ethany For me, I don't care because

434
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:29,680
Speaker 1: she did that. I put two and two together. But

435
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,600
Speaker 1: ultimately she did that and they create.

436
00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,520
Speaker 2: You No, but that what are you talking? But that's

437
00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 2: what an agent does or a manager. They put things together.

438
00:23:36,840 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 2: They're not doing it. They put it together and then

439
00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:43,320
Speaker 2: they take a piece. So yeah, but have you. And

440
00:23:43,440 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: it wasn't even something that that would have been weird

441
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:47,520
Speaker 2: for you to say, can I have this in writing?

442
00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,680
Speaker 2: Because she had no leverage, like she wasn't anybody. You

443
00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 2: weren't bringing somebody major. So it was like, right, yeah,

444
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:54,240
Speaker 2: that's fucked up.

445
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: I get it.

446
00:23:55,280 --> 00:23:57,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, i'd be that would irritate me too. And what

447
00:23:58,200 --> 00:24:01,639
Speaker 2: is well, she must have knowledge, not that it's about her,

448
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: but she must acknowledge that that happened.

449
00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,119
Speaker 1: Well, she put my name in the verse that she

450
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:12,480
Speaker 1: that she used. Right, all credit is due to NICKI.

451
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,200
Speaker 1: And I'm not just saying that to try to be

452
00:24:14,359 --> 00:24:18,639
Speaker 1: like politically correct. I didn't do it for the credit.

453
00:24:18,760 --> 00:24:21,000
Speaker 1: I didn't do it for money. I literally was never

454
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:25,240
Speaker 1: talking about that. I was talking about the actual whole album,

455
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:30,000
Speaker 1: not just not that song. So right, I don't credit

456
00:24:30,119 --> 00:24:32,919
Speaker 1: or money for doing that, because I did it because

457
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 1: she deserved it.

458
00:24:33,960 --> 00:24:36,440
Speaker 2: And oh yeah, at the time, it sounds like you

459
00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,040
Speaker 2: put two people together, but when something pops off, you

460
00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 2: feel like, you know, get me a taste, and a taste.

461
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,959
Speaker 2: I get it, and not just that song. I get

462
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: what you're saying. It's just interesting that that's a major

463
00:24:47,680 --> 00:24:50,399
Speaker 2: story to put Nicki Minaj and Kanye West. That alone

464
00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:54,440
Speaker 2: is a pretty major story to me. What I really

465
00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 2: relate to about you is the pandemic, like putting you

466
00:24:59,200 --> 00:25:01,880
Speaker 2: in a little bit of a because I don't I'm

467
00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:05,159
Speaker 2: a very Something that surprises people about me that they

468
00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:07,800
Speaker 2: don't really realize is the level of homebody that I

469
00:25:08,400 --> 00:25:11,960
Speaker 2: am ready to begin with, the level of insular and

470
00:25:12,160 --> 00:25:14,920
Speaker 2: difficulty it is for me to get out. And so

471
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:19,520
Speaker 2: the pandemic was like indulging that full on and then

472
00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 2: it was hard to come out of that. So how

473
00:25:22,600 --> 00:25:26,880
Speaker 2: did the pandemic affect you? In your anxiety and all

474
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:29,280
Speaker 2: the you know lamb screaming in your head.

475
00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:32,040
Speaker 1: Dealing with you know, having a newborn. And then right

476
00:25:32,160 --> 00:25:36,920
Speaker 1: after that, Bethany, the pandemic hit. So I got all

477
00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:43,119
Speaker 1: these emotions, all these hormones, you know, raising a newborn baby,

478
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,200
Speaker 1: trying to breastfeed, trying not to cry, and be like,

479
00:25:46,320 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 1: what the fuck did I get myself into?

480
00:25:49,080 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 2: In your head too, because you're in your house, you

481
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,320
Speaker 2: can't even like that, Wow, I can't.

482
00:25:54,119 --> 00:25:57,879
Speaker 1: Even go and you know, think about it, even trying

483
00:25:57,920 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 1: to just get my body after pregnancy. You know, at

484
00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: that time, everyone's like if you go outside, You're gonna die.

485
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 1: That's on the news. And then I'm like, well, I

486
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 1: don't want to go outside bring COVID into my house.

487
00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,400
Speaker 1: I have a newborn baby. I'm scared. You know. Maybe

488
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,840
Speaker 1: I'll do a couple of little workouts in my front yard.

489
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,199
Speaker 1: But other than that, I mean, it was a very

490
00:26:20,320 --> 00:26:21,480
Speaker 1: difficult time for me.

491
00:26:22,560 --> 00:26:24,680
Speaker 2: How is your co parenting going.

492
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:28,760
Speaker 1: Good? I mean, listen, I am the queen of co

493
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:32,360
Speaker 1: parenting because I don't talk about that. I don't talk

494
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,400
Speaker 1: about the past. I don't talk about what was done

495
00:26:34,400 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: to me. I don't talk about who my son's fathers

496
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,520
Speaker 1: are dating, who they're with, where they at. I am

497
00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,520
Speaker 1: all about my children. When are you going to pick

498
00:26:45,520 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: them up, what's the schedule, When are you going to

499
00:26:47,640 --> 00:26:50,479
Speaker 1: bring them back? Where are they going? What I need,

500
00:26:50,680 --> 00:26:51,920
Speaker 1: what you need? And that's it.

501
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,800
Speaker 2: Like I'm very transactional.

502
00:26:55,280 --> 00:27:00,000
Speaker 1: It's all about the children and there's nothing in yeah.

503
00:27:00,080 --> 00:27:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll just leave it all about transactional. So you're

504
00:27:16,040 --> 00:27:19,960
Speaker 2: spending most of your time podcasting and you're modeling, and

505
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:22,360
Speaker 2: you feel like you're in a good place in your life,

506
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:24,240
Speaker 2: like your career is where you want it to be.

507
00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:26,600
Speaker 2: Other things you want to do that you're not doing.

508
00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: I'm working on a lot of beauty stuff and a

509
00:27:31,840 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of cool things. So yes, soon

510
00:27:36,160 --> 00:27:39,080
Speaker 1: we can do another interview later, or maybe you can

511
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:44,240
Speaker 1: do an interview for my podcast of course, stuff that

512
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:44,800
Speaker 1: you're into.

513
00:27:45,320 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: I would love to. I would love to, of course.

514
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:50,760
Speaker 2: And with the blow up, I also didn't know, see

515
00:27:50,800 --> 00:27:52,720
Speaker 2: I I don't know that much about pop culture and

516
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:54,719
Speaker 2: things that go on, which is the girls who are

517
00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:56,920
Speaker 2: on here, they tell me a lot. I didn't know

518
00:27:57,000 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 2: that you were in the audience with the tailor swim

519
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,560
Speaker 2: to think like you're in the middle somehow, amber Rose

520
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 2: is like where's Waldo? You're like in the middle. So

521
00:28:05,400 --> 00:28:09,600
Speaker 2: you were in the audience when Taylor Swift got you know, jolted,

522
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:14,840
Speaker 2: jilted by Kanye And do you now think about her

523
00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:17,720
Speaker 2: crazy success and that thing that happened with the phone

524
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 2: call and like all of it, like this full circle situation.

525
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 2: What do you think of that?

526
00:28:23,000 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm actually really cool with Taylor Swift. She's she

527
00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: My oldest son, Sebastian is like obsessed with her. She

528
00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:35,720
Speaker 1: sent him like a whole media package and backstage passes

529
00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:37,560
Speaker 1: and he met her, you know, a couple of years

530
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:41,600
Speaker 1: ago when he was younger really in the pictures. Yeah,

531
00:28:41,720 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: so cute, and she was so gracious and nice and

532
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,280
Speaker 1: I had an opportunity to talk to her mom and

533
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,400
Speaker 1: her family, and yeah, so it's great, that's awesome. I

534
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:57,320
Speaker 1: think that, you know, look, we've all made mistakes, especially

535
00:28:57,360 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: in our younger years, and we can look back, we

536
00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:00,960
Speaker 1: can cring, we could be like, oh my god, I

537
00:29:01,000 --> 00:29:05,320
Speaker 1: can't believe this happened. I think that when you get

538
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: older and you look back and you're just like, fuck,

539
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:12,960
Speaker 1: that was that was That was the time. That was

540
00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 1: definitely a time and you might cringe, you might be happy,

541
00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: or whatever the case may be. But I think we

542
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:22,200
Speaker 1: all got older, and you know, I definitely have kids,

543
00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:25,560
Speaker 1: Kanye has kids. We all been through marriages and divorces

544
00:29:25,760 --> 00:29:30,800
Speaker 1: and you know, life, and you know, it definitely was

545
00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: a big deal in pop culture at the time, but

546
00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 1: I think everyone kind of grew up and grew out

547
00:29:37,320 --> 00:29:37,480
Speaker 1: of that.

548
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,520
Speaker 2: So so you're cool with Tailor and you're cool with Kanye.

549
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:46,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wouldn't say that I'm cool with Kanye. I

550
00:29:46,600 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: don't think about him, and there's be it's like I'm indifferent.

551
00:29:50,240 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 2: So it's it's clean, it's nothing, got it, And then

552
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 2: tell just about year you have like an effort, like

553
00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:58,680
Speaker 2: a charity that you work on, or an activism about

554
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:01,320
Speaker 2: people being like slut shamed.

555
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:05,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's my SlutWalk. I'm no longer doing my SlutWalk.

556
00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: Okay.

557
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:11,880
Speaker 1: Flootwalk was originally about women that were raped and sexually assaulted.

558
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 1: One woman was raped on a college campus and the

559
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,120
Speaker 1: cops said, well, if you weren't dressed like a slut,

560
00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,040
Speaker 1: you wouldn't have gotten raped, and so these girls had

561
00:30:21,520 --> 00:30:26,480
Speaker 1: essentially a SlutWalk dressed provocatively. It was just like, this

562
00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: doesn't mean that I want you to rape me, Like

563
00:30:29,440 --> 00:30:32,200
Speaker 1: this is absolutely ridiculous. So I did that. I do

564
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:37,320
Speaker 1: feel like my SlutWalk turned into something that I wasn't

565
00:30:37,600 --> 00:30:39,960
Speaker 1: proud of, and I didn't want to stick behind anymore

566
00:30:40,680 --> 00:30:45,800
Speaker 1: happy to talk about this, because you know, my initial

567
00:30:45,840 --> 00:30:49,600
Speaker 1: SlutWalk was everything I wanted it to be. But then

568
00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:56,760
Speaker 1: it turned into more modern day feminism. It just turned

569
00:30:56,840 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: into like I don't care if you've married, still going

570
00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:01,320
Speaker 1: to sleep with him because.

571
00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: You got my bad bitch sleptwalk, instead of like yeah victim,

572
00:31:05,000 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: yeah all right, well thank you so much I'll let

573
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 2: you go, but I'm happy for you. And say hi

574
00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: to your beautiful sons.

575
00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:13,520
Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

576
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:14,600
Speaker 2: I'm your dog. Frankie.

577
00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:16,040
Speaker 1: Frankie, Frankie.

578
00:31:16,120 --> 00:31:17,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and say hi to Frankie.

579
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,560
Speaker 1: I will have a great day. Bye.

580
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:21,479
Speaker 2: Thanks,