WEBVTT - Ep 73: Georgia

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<v Speaker 1>Loud and Quiet Presents Midnight Chats.

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<v Speaker 2>Hey folks, welcome back to Midnight Chats and to what

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<v Speaker 2>is the final episode of series seven of the podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sounding a little bit horse today. I've had a

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<v Speaker 2>bit of a cold for the past couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>and this episode that I'm about to play was only

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<v Speaker 2>recorded yesterday, so I'm sounding quite rough on that as well,

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<v Speaker 2>So apologies for that, but thank you to everyone that's

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<v Speaker 2>come on the podcast over these past ten weeks. For

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<v Speaker 2>this series. We're going to take a break now over

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<v Speaker 2>over well quite a long break, I guess, because we'll

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<v Speaker 2>probably start putting series eight out in September time, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>October time, which is quite a way off, but it

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<v Speaker 2>give us plenty of time to get new guests involved

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<v Speaker 2>and to record them and to make sure it's as

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<v Speaker 2>good as it can be. And there will be one

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<v Speaker 2>other episode between now and then, which will probably come

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<v Speaker 2>out in a couple of weeks time, and we're recording

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<v Speaker 2>that next week at the Great Escape Festival, which if

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<v Speaker 2>you are in the area, if you're going to the

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<v Speaker 2>Great Escape in Brighton, then you can come and see

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<v Speaker 2>it filmed live in front of an audience. Can you

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, can you imagine just how much fun that

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<v Speaker 2>will be? What else would you want to be doing

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<v Speaker 2>at ten fifteen am at a music festival if you

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<v Speaker 2>are interested. We're going to be recording it with self esteem,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's the big draw. She's going to be great,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure. And it's at the Jury's in in Brighton

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<v Speaker 2>on next Friday. So we'll put that out in a

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<v Speaker 2>couple of weeks time, I'd say something like that, and

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<v Speaker 2>then yet we'll be back in the autumn time. For now, though,

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<v Speaker 2>we do have this last episode of the series, which

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<v Speaker 2>is with Georgia Barnes, who records only under the name Georgia.

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<v Speaker 2>And special thanks to Georgia for recording this with me

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<v Speaker 2>yesterday because she had only just flowed home from the

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<v Speaker 2>other side of the world. She'd been in Australia playing

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<v Speaker 2>some shows with Jungle And if you've read a copy

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<v Speaker 2>of the magazine this month then you may well have

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<v Speaker 2>read a feature with Georgia. We've got feature in there.

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<v Speaker 2>What can I tell you about her? We're not There

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<v Speaker 2>is going to be a new Georgia album at some point,

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<v Speaker 2>probably this year. It's a little bit under wraps still,

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<v Speaker 2>so we don't talk about it too much during this conversation. Instead,

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<v Speaker 2>we talk about kind of what George has been up

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<v Speaker 2>to since she released her debut album in twenty fifteen,

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<v Speaker 2>and she's had quite a lot going on, from hanging

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<v Speaker 2>out with the Flaming Lips and becoming good friends of

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<v Speaker 2>theirs to clubbing. We speak quite a bit about clubbing.

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<v Speaker 2>Georgia's dad is Neil Barnes, who is one half of

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<v Speaker 2>Left Field, and that's probably as much as you need

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<v Speaker 2>to know at this point. Let's just play it. This

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<v Speaker 2>is myself talking with Georgia, and anything else that's not

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<v Speaker 2>clear I apologize for, but you'll work it out. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>all of the people that we mentioned. If if we

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<v Speaker 2>don't fully explain it, there's you know, there's Google and

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<v Speaker 2>all that sort of stuff. So thank you for listening.

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<v Speaker 2>This is myself talking to Georgia and yeah, come to

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<v Speaker 2>brighton ten am ten fifteen, let's say ten am for

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<v Speaker 2>a ten to fifteen start juries in either myself or

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<v Speaker 2>Greg one of us will be talking to self esteem

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<v Speaker 2>and you will be able to see how the magic

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<v Speaker 2>of this podcast works in front of your very eyes.

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<v Speaker 2>What an exciting time for now, though this is midnight

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<v Speaker 2>Chat's episode number seventy three. Are you a good flyer generally?

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<v Speaker 1>I sort of not really.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I've you know, my mum and dad took me

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<v Speaker 3>on planes as a young kid, and you know, my

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<v Speaker 3>dad's sort of touring and being a musician. We are,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I got to go to some places, so

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<v Speaker 3>I was I was traveling as a young kid, but

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<v Speaker 3>for some reason as I've got older.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's got a little bit worse for me. I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know why.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's just the kind of, you know, not

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<v Speaker 3>not having a lot of space, and then.

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<v Speaker 2>The idea of knowing that you can't get off.

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<v Speaker 1>That's it.

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<v Speaker 3>It's the knowingly and and and my ears are quite sensitive,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's sort of you know, I think I have

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<v Speaker 3>come off this plane and my ears are slightly blocked.

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<v Speaker 1>So I think that's why. I was with my.

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<v Speaker 3>Brother earlier and we were just catching up over some

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<v Speaker 3>lunch and he was like, you're really shouting.

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<v Speaker 1>I really am. I, Oh god, I'm sorry. I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's because.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we should say at the start of this podcast

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<v Speaker 2>that you have literally flown back from the other side

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<v Speaker 2>of the world yesterday from Australia, so thanks for doing

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<v Speaker 2>this I mean, this is probably you're doing okay, the

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<v Speaker 2>jet lag hasn't hit you yet.

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<v Speaker 3>No, I'm fine. This is what everyone keeps saying to me.

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<v Speaker 3>The jet lag hasn't hit you yet, right, it's coming.

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<v Speaker 3>That's that's more alarming. Actually, this is like this wave

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<v Speaker 3>about to approach.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you have a good night sleep last night? Yeah, slept? Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>maybe you've beaten it.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I've beaten it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's all about I think it's a lot is in

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<v Speaker 2>your head as well. If you tell yourself that it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to then of course you're screwed. It will.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually, you know from previous experiences, this whole thing

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<v Speaker 3>of like, oh have I slept it off? I've only

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<v Speaker 3>had five hours, so I need to have a bit more.

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<v Speaker 3>This whole kind of anxiety around you know how much

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<v Speaker 3>how many hours you've had to say, I.

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<v Speaker 1>Haven't done that this time. I've kind of just gone.

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<v Speaker 1>If I sleep, I sleep. If I don't, I don't.

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<v Speaker 3>And actually, you know you've you've been, you've been you know,

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<v Speaker 3>to parties where you know you've partied for like three

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<v Speaker 3>days solidly with like three hours sleep, So you know

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<v Speaker 3>you can do this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it's going to be okay, it's going to be fun,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. So what was it you're doing in Australia.

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<v Speaker 3>So at the beginning of this year, I Jungle invited

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<v Speaker 3>me out on their UK tour to support for them,

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<v Speaker 3>and it was such a great experience and we kind

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<v Speaker 3>of all became really good friends and it was like

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<v Speaker 3>a touring family, and I think they just you know,

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<v Speaker 3>they were like, will you come and join us in

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<v Speaker 3>Australia too, And I was like, yes, let's make it happen.

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<v Speaker 2>How many is in your band at the moment, It's

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<v Speaker 2>just me, yeah, because I saw a video of you

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<v Speaker 2>recently with like a stand up kit. You had like

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<v Speaker 2>a little trigger kid. Is that your stage setup?

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<v Speaker 1>That's my stage set.

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<v Speaker 3>So this whole new set of songs were really inspired

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<v Speaker 3>by the early eighties and mid eighties era of when

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<v Speaker 3>electronic music kind of met pop music in the UK

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<v Speaker 3>and in Europe and in America too, And I guess

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<v Speaker 3>what came with that was like the technology as well.

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<v Speaker 3>It was suddenly in the eighties you get the rise

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<v Speaker 3>of an SSL desk. Suddenly stuff becomes digital, Analog meets digital,

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<v Speaker 3>and it's really interesting tech for technology. And one of

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<v Speaker 3>the things I noticed was it was like one of

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<v Speaker 3>the first eras for drum triggers and the main brand

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<v Speaker 3>were Simmons. And I remember watching this clip of Depeche

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<v Speaker 3>Mode playing somewhere huge a stadium somewhere, and the drummer,

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<v Speaker 3>I can't remember his name now, maybe it was Andy

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<v Speaker 3>something was playing a Simmons kit standing up, and I

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<v Speaker 3>was just like, that's fucking cool.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there's something about a drummer standing up.

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<v Speaker 3>Look, well, totally, there's a it's amazing and you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of a lot of that era of eighties

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<v Speaker 3>electro pop music, the drummers are standing up and playing,

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<v Speaker 3>and then obviously like watching Prints and watching Sheila E

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<v Speaker 3>playing standing up and kind of there's there's just an

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<v Speaker 3>energy I guess you get from from it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 3>it is a kind of real thing with drummers of like,

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<v Speaker 3>don't play standing up.

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<v Speaker 1>You're going to really damage yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>You know, yeah, yeah you're again oh yeah, oh my yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>yeah definitely.

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<v Speaker 2>In what sense like you're going.

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<v Speaker 3>To be because yeah, physically it's really demanding because you know,

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<v Speaker 3>on your legs, you're putting more pressure on your legs,

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<v Speaker 3>you're putting more pressure on your arms, there's more physical,

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<v Speaker 3>the physical side of it is.

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<v Speaker 1>There's just there's a lot more. You know, you're not

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<v Speaker 1>sitting down.

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<v Speaker 3>Your weight isn't in your bum, your weight is on

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<v Speaker 3>your legs, and obviously one leg is playing and playing

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<v Speaker 3>the kick drums standing up. So I have to as

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<v Speaker 3>a result, I've had to, like, you know, really consider

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<v Speaker 3>warming up and warming down and making sure that an

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<v Speaker 3>hour before, two hours before I go on stage, I'm

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<v Speaker 3>like doing yoga, I'm stretching, because you can really seriously

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<v Speaker 3>hurt your you know, it can lead to well, it

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<v Speaker 3>can just lead to really bad things. You know, it

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<v Speaker 3>could lead to you know, potentially like you know, bad

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<v Speaker 3>injuries that make you know, can can harm your career basically,

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<v Speaker 3>So it is a bit of a risk, but it's

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<v Speaker 3>it looks.

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<v Speaker 2>Cool, Yeah, it looks really cool. Did you manage to

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<v Speaker 2>see the David Byrne show last year at all?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you know what? I didn't? And it was really annoying.

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<v Speaker 3>I got offered a ticket and I was I was

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<v Speaker 3>in the studio and I couldn't go. It was I know,

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<v Speaker 3>I know what you're exactly, you know what you're about

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<v Speaker 3>to say.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, all the musicians standing up and.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, well kind of took that kind of thing

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<v Speaker 2>to a new it's called an untethered performance absolutely, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>which is exactly what it sounds like. But they kind

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<v Speaker 2>of broke down the drum kit across say six people,

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<v Speaker 2>well exactly, one person just literally had the snare exactly exactly.

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<v Speaker 1>It's almost like a dance piece really.

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<v Speaker 3>That's and you know, I think everybody knows David Burt,

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<v Speaker 3>David Byrns kind of like amazing sort of left field

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<v Speaker 3>approach to performance. And I guess you know, when you

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<v Speaker 3>watch certain dance pieces, like you know, quite experimental dance pieces,

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<v Speaker 3>they're they're sort of adding those sort of techniques. The

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<v Speaker 3>company is all doing something that's adding to this whole

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<v Speaker 3>collective experience. Yeah, I think, you know, dissecting it in

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<v Speaker 3>that fashion is just really cool, really cool.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you start drumming?

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<v Speaker 4>Then?

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<v Speaker 2>What can you remember, like, at what age did you

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<v Speaker 2>because drums was your first instrument, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, yes, So there's a hard question to answer this one.

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<v Speaker 3>I think it was around when I was about six

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<v Speaker 3>or seven. I'm told perhaps my my dad's friend was

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<v Speaker 3>a drummer. I should say that, you know, my dad

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<v Speaker 3>was in left field and his other His other partner,

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<v Speaker 3>Paul Daily, was the drummer in left field, and so

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<v Speaker 3>I think the story is that I was my dad

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<v Speaker 3>took me around to Paul's flat or whatever, and I

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<v Speaker 3>and Paul had his kids set up in the in

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<v Speaker 3>some room. I went into the room and I just

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<v Speaker 3>started playing, and I think Paul sort of said to

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<v Speaker 3>my dad, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>She's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>Just naturally I couldn't. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And I do think like I was a teacher myself,

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<v Speaker 3>so I taught some kids at one time, and you

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<v Speaker 3>can just tell. You can tell some kids have this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of everyone's got rhythm, but some kids just have

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<v Speaker 3>this ability to kind of like coordinate with the drums,

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<v Speaker 3>and you kind of think, oh, they kind of get it,

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<v Speaker 3>you know.

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<v Speaker 2>When you're teaching kids. Though, I guess you're not to

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<v Speaker 2>say that, are you. You have to say no, you

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<v Speaker 2>can't say listen.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I guess some teachers did in the back in

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<v Speaker 1>the day.

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<v Speaker 4>I guess that was the guy like you've got it,

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<v Speaker 4>you haven't got it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, you might have it, but you have to work.

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<v Speaker 2>But you just had it, like it was just kind

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<v Speaker 2>of in you.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, apparently, I just I just could do it, and

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't. It wasn't. So I do remember the feeling

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<v Speaker 3>of just being like, this is the best thing ever,

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<v Speaker 3>Like this doesn't feel hard to me. And then I

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<v Speaker 3>guess that evolved into like, actually, you know, as I

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<v Speaker 3>got older, actually you know, sitting down listening to drummers

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<v Speaker 3>that I loved, or like reading certain drum you know,

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<v Speaker 3>books music, because there's actually a whole you know, instrumentation,

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<v Speaker 3>a way of writing drum rhythms. So I got into

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of that, and then it gets hard.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, that's the sort.

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<v Speaker 3>Of where you're really trying to develop your technique. We're playing,

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<v Speaker 3>and I had some points where I was like, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Know, I don't think this is for me and the academics.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, it starts to become a little bit like a chore,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, but but you know, the end result is

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<v Speaker 3>that you can play this amazing jazz rhythm, or you

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<v Speaker 3>can play this kind of cool rock beat, or you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you can play this feel, or you can play this

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<v Speaker 3>paradid or you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's just like the process you go through of anything.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went through that, and then at the age

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<v Speaker 3>of kind of nineteen eighteen, got into you know, played

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<v Speaker 3>in my first professional band and then was sort of

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<v Speaker 3>touring by the age of kind of twenty one twenty two,

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<v Speaker 3>so it was, yeah, it was just a skill that

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<v Speaker 3>I you know, I just picked up and kind of,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, saw a way. It was actually my way

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<v Speaker 3>into a music scene in London. I always felt like

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<v Speaker 3>I wanted to be part of a scene, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and playing drums really kind of opened the door for

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<v Speaker 3>me getting into a scene.

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<v Speaker 2>Was that particularly the kind of South London?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah exactly, Yeah, exactly, Alan and Quest and.

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<v Speaker 1>Just that whole scene. Exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>How did you meet those guys?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, actually I went to school.

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<v Speaker 3>I went to you I went to school with a

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<v Speaker 3>Landamara and Alan started going out with a guy and

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<v Speaker 3>we were good friends. And she was like I think

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<v Speaker 3>I was seventeen and she was eighteen. She was like,

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<v Speaker 3>do you want to come and meet my boyfriend? And

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<v Speaker 3>I was like yeah, and it was Quest, and so

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<v Speaker 3>we just became friends ever since. And then Alan started

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<v Speaker 3>to play music and Quest was kind of already in

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<v Speaker 3>that kind of South London Seed he was already friends

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<v Speaker 3>with kind of you know, you're you're Adele's really young

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<v Speaker 3>Adeles and and kind of Jack Pannarte and the kind

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<v Speaker 3>of really young young Turks crowd and Alan was playing music,

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<v Speaker 3>and so me and Quest became a Land's backing band,

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<v Speaker 3>and then Alan and I became Quest's backing band.

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<v Speaker 2>Because around that time, Ques played his first show that

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<v Speaker 2>he fronted, Yes at the Shall Yeah, were you in

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<v Speaker 2>the back?

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<v Speaker 1>I was the drama okay, right?

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<v Speaker 3>That was And I've been told that was a really momentous,

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<v Speaker 3>momentous gig for a lot of musicians, up and coming musicians.

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<v Speaker 3>I think samf was in the audience. Samfer, loads of

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<v Speaker 3>other musicians were kind of in the audience watching that

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<v Speaker 3>gig because everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>It was great that gig. He was I remember him

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<v Speaker 2>being super super nervous. Yeah, yeah, because he was singing

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<v Speaker 2>for the first time.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Just he's quite a quiet guy.

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<v Speaker 1>Is in the totally.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I think for QUESTI I don't think he

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<v Speaker 3>ever realized that actually, you know, he could he could

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<v Speaker 3>actually really hold an audience on stage, and perhaps that

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it was good that it was me and

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<v Speaker 3>Alana's his backing band because you know, we were kind

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<v Speaker 3>of like very supportive. It was just amazing playing for

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<v Speaker 3>them too, because you know, they were they were in

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<v Speaker 3>this whole scene, and as a result, I got to

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<v Speaker 3>meet all these amazing, amazing musicians and people who would

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<v Speaker 3>go on to kind of really shape the UK scene now,

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<v Speaker 3>you know. I remember being at a boiler room really

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<v Speaker 3>early on and it was it was a Young Turks

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<v Speaker 3>night and Quest was DJing, and I think the billing

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<v Speaker 3>was something like Hype Williams, Dean Blunt and then Samfer

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<v Speaker 3>doing a little like mini set just with like a

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<v Speaker 3>Corg mini and his voice. Then it was like Meeka DJing.

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<v Speaker 3>Then it was like Jamie XX DJing. Then it was Quest,

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<v Speaker 3>then it was Hudson Mohawk. Then it was like Scream,

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<v Speaker 3>then it was I remember like being in this room

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<v Speaker 3>and thinking like I was just like, what is it.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm in a room full of all this talent? You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It was kind of like quite. I always remember that moment, just.

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<v Speaker 3>Being like this is this is really nice to just

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<v Speaker 3>sit here and just see all this talent, you know.

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<v Speaker 3>And I guess for a long time I kind of

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<v Speaker 3>was a bit like, you know, I was kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just known as the Drama and I was kind of like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I don't think people really knew that I

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<v Speaker 3>was creating music behind the sort of closed doors.

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<v Speaker 2>Really like study wise, did you studied at so Ass, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>and you studied at brit School. Yes, it was brit

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<v Speaker 2>School before.

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<v Speaker 1>So Yeah, Brit School was before so As.

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<v Speaker 2>And what is Britschool like? When you're there? Do you

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<v Speaker 2>get like what is it like? There is there this

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<v Speaker 2>sense that does the reputation of it mean that people

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<v Speaker 2>think that this is going to happen for me because

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<v Speaker 2>we're at the brit School and you come here and

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<v Speaker 2>then you become adele or wine house or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's interesting. I've never really spoken about brit School.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean when I went so I went from fourteen

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<v Speaker 3>so and I actually initially was in theater.

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't do music, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I just was you know, I was in a school

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<v Speaker 3>before that that was just not very I wasn't very

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<v Speaker 3>happy and it just wasn't really working out and I

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<v Speaker 3>needed a change because I was getting into trouble. I

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<v Speaker 3>got in with the wrong sorts of people. And so

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<v Speaker 3>when I arrived at the brit School, it was like

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<v Speaker 3>it was like something I'd never experienced before. It was

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<v Speaker 3>just full of creative people, teachers that were very supportive

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<v Speaker 3>and engaging and really thought provoking and you know, in theater,

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<v Speaker 3>we were doing plays about David Bowie. You know, we

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<v Speaker 3>were doing plays about also about kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the Holocaust, and we were doing plays about then we

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<v Speaker 3>were kind of doing you know, all the traditional kind

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<v Speaker 3>of Shakespearean plays and stuff like that.

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<v Speaker 1>But it was like it was so arty, you know, and.

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<v Speaker 3>I don't never really experience anything like that before. And

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<v Speaker 3>also it was so incredible about the brit school was

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<v Speaker 3>it's free, you know, so you were with kids from

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<v Speaker 3>all different backgrounds, you know, that all just shared this

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<v Speaker 3>kind of love for something something in art.

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<v Speaker 4>You know.

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<v Speaker 3>So from that from the age of fourteen sixteen, I

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<v Speaker 3>just had the best time ever. And then I chose

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<v Speaker 3>to move to music. And I guess around that time,

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<v Speaker 3>Adele had come out and sort of got success, real success,

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<v Speaker 3>and you know, there was always rumors of very successful

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<v Speaker 3>people that had come out of music, and I felt

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<v Speaker 3>that there was a slight pressure from other people that that,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, that we were all that they were all

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<v Speaker 3>going to be pop stars. And you know, and I

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<v Speaker 3>think because of my background of like you know, my

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<v Speaker 3>dad and stuff, I knew that actually it wasn't as

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<v Speaker 3>easy as that. And you know, Adele was just incredibly

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<v Speaker 3>like a one of one of a kind, and for me,

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<v Speaker 3>I kind of went to music and I had a

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<v Speaker 3>complete rebellion against pop music.

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<v Speaker 1>It was really odd.

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<v Speaker 3>I didn't I was like, I didn't really want to

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<v Speaker 3>perform what the teachers gave me.

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<v Speaker 1>I wanted to perform like Sonic Youth and kind of

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<v Speaker 1>like and you weren't allowed to do that. It wasn't

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<v Speaker 1>allowed to do it.

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<v Speaker 3>Well we did, like, you know, we did Sonic Youth

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<v Speaker 3>covers and I think the teachers were a bit like,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, this is this is you know, perhaps Georgia

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<v Speaker 3>needs to kind of have a bit of a rethink

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<v Speaker 3>about And I don't know, I think I just I think,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, the whole thing about the Brits School is

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<v Speaker 3>is that there is that whole fame school around it.

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<v Speaker 3>But I think because of my previous two years of

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<v Speaker 3>just having a fantastic, incredible mind blowing experience, I was

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<v Speaker 3>always you know, I'm always very positive about the brit School.

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<v Speaker 3>But you know, but the whole kind of fame school,

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<v Speaker 3>the side of it is kind of like a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit you know, it's but but also the fact is

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<v Speaker 3>is that I was kind of performing as well so

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<v Speaker 3>that was fantastic. You know, I was given up. We

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<v Speaker 3>were all given opportunities to perform, and that was kind

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<v Speaker 3>of something that was really important because I guess now,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, it's you know, I do, even though I

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<v Speaker 3>suffer very badly from nerves. I'm kind of you know,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, I've been performing since the age of you know, sixteen,

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<v Speaker 3>So it's kind of it's amazing really when you think

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<v Speaker 3>about it. I mean, it's and I think it was

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<v Speaker 3>a really really important school and it's set a real

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<v Speaker 3>president in this country of that free performing art schools

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<v Speaker 3>kind of massively important, and especially where the school was

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<v Speaker 3>as well. It was in a really you know, quite

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<v Speaker 3>poor borough of South London, and you know, hopefully it

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<v Speaker 3>kind of gave the whole that kind of East Croydon,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, Selhurst area a bit of a light, put

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<v Speaker 3>it on the map a little bit.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think you know, Mike and Jemma were here.

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<v Speaker 2>We're in your house at the moment, yes, say. They

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<v Speaker 2>came here for a feature in the magazine about a

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<v Speaker 2>month ago. And it's made my job easy for this

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<v Speaker 2>because I could just read piece to find out what

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<v Speaker 2>you've been up to. But one of the things that

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<v Speaker 2>really stood out that you talk about in that article

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<v Speaker 2>is how over the past couple of years you've learnt

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<v Speaker 2>to go clubbing sober.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>You talk about that with.

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<v Speaker 1>Him, Yes, I did.

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<v Speaker 2>Particularly the reason this intro in particular is because I'm

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<v Speaker 2>quite like most people who have never been I'm quite

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<v Speaker 2>fascinated by the Bergheim. Yeah, in particular. Yes, and you've

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<v Speaker 2>obviously been, yes, and you've now been completely sober.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, let's just start with clubbing generally.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes.

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<v Speaker 2>When did you first go to a club.

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<v Speaker 1>As soon as I hit eighteen?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah? Yeah?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Did you feel that like.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh gosh yeah, like oh yeah yeah yeah yeah, Like

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<v Speaker 3>as soon as I hit eighteen or my eighteenth birthday,

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<v Speaker 3>I was in the que for Fabric.

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<v Speaker 2>That was the first club, the first club I went to.

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<v Speaker 2>That's a good one to make your.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, I remember.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you think that comes from your dad? That interesting?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah for sure, Yeah, absolutely, yeah, it comes from that

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<v Speaker 3>whole culture really, yeah for sure. And but you know, also,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, my mum was just always at music festivals,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, she was at like Isle of Wight and

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<v Speaker 3>all these in so she was always talking about these

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<v Speaker 3>amazing collective experiences in music, and so I think, yeah, totally,

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<v Speaker 3>it came from my mum and dad and obviously like clubbing,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, came from the you know, the types of

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<v Speaker 3>characters I saw and you know, were quite close to me,

0:24:13.280 --> 0:24:15.639
<v Speaker 3>that were that were kind of associated with my dad,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was always really fascinated by those characters, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>the type of characters that were kind of like they

0:24:22.320 --> 0:24:25.760
<v Speaker 3>was sort of like quite eccentric, you know, up for

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<v Speaker 3>going out, you know, do a bit of this, do

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<v Speaker 3>a bit of that, and you know that that was

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<v Speaker 3>kind of their life dancing. It was just like yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>from that, you know, and they were like characters, you know,

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<v Speaker 3>a bit like your Keith Flint's or like you know,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was I was just always fascinated by them,

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<v Speaker 3>you know, because they're quite incredible people.

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<v Speaker 1>Really. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>So as soon as I hit eighteen, I was I

0:24:48.680 --> 0:24:52.280
<v Speaker 3>was straight in the fabric Q and I remember it

0:24:52.320 --> 0:24:54.720
<v Speaker 3>actually I can't remember who was DJing, but I remember

0:24:54.760 --> 0:24:58.439
<v Speaker 3>walking into that main room and thinking, wow, you know,

0:24:58.600 --> 0:25:02.200
<v Speaker 3>this is just like this is amazing, but also feeling

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:02.760
<v Speaker 3>a bit like.

0:25:03.040 --> 0:25:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm super young.

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:06.320
<v Speaker 3>I don't know if they you know, I don't know

0:25:06.359 --> 0:25:09.479
<v Speaker 3>if because I do look really young, you know, and

0:25:09.920 --> 0:25:12.520
<v Speaker 3>unfortunately I wasn't able to go out.

0:25:12.760 --> 0:25:13.679
<v Speaker 1>I did go to a.

0:25:13.720 --> 0:25:16.360
<v Speaker 3>SHUBs in South London now and see Scream and Benger,

0:25:16.960 --> 0:25:18.040
<v Speaker 3>but that was another story.

0:25:18.080 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>I'd broke in.

0:25:18.960 --> 0:25:23.560
<v Speaker 3>Someone let me in to us in South Croydon, but

0:25:23.600 --> 0:25:25.639
<v Speaker 3>that ended quite badly. We were to come out of

0:25:25.680 --> 0:25:27.280
<v Speaker 3>that because I was like, I think there was a

0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:31.480
<v Speaker 3>sort of like pretend shooting or something. So this was

0:25:31.520 --> 0:25:33.760
<v Speaker 3>like a proper clubbing experience, and we were there till

0:25:33.840 --> 0:25:36.320
<v Speaker 3>like six in the morning, you know, till the end.

0:25:36.320 --> 0:25:37.880
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, it started at eighteen.

0:25:38.040 --> 0:25:39.639
<v Speaker 2>Because you must have had in your mind what you

0:25:39.720 --> 0:25:41.880
<v Speaker 2>thought it was going to be like, and like, yeah,

0:25:42.119 --> 0:25:45.320
<v Speaker 2>the excitement of going to a club for sure. Fabric

0:25:45.920 --> 0:25:49.000
<v Speaker 2>a world renowned club. From what you remember, was it

0:25:49.040 --> 0:25:50.080
<v Speaker 2>what you thought it was going to be?

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:53.280
<v Speaker 1>I think yes and no.

0:25:53.520 --> 0:25:55.879
<v Speaker 3>I mean my dad and my mum went to the

0:25:55.920 --> 0:26:00.320
<v Speaker 3>opening of Fabric, and my dad always said back then

0:26:00.560 --> 0:26:04.520
<v Speaker 3>it was the best sounding room in the world, and

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:05.360
<v Speaker 3>I think it was.

0:26:05.560 --> 0:26:07.199
<v Speaker 1>It was. They were like I.

0:26:07.240 --> 0:26:11.159
<v Speaker 3>Think Function one were like they were they were a

0:26:11.240 --> 0:26:15.000
<v Speaker 3>particular Function one speakers and it was like the best

0:26:15.040 --> 0:26:18.159
<v Speaker 3>sounding room in the world at one point. But I

0:26:18.160 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 3>think when I went the old you know, it had

0:26:20.560 --> 0:26:22.200
<v Speaker 3>gone through quite a lot of like.

0:26:22.320 --> 0:26:24.480
<v Speaker 1>Sellers sold and then new sellers are boys.

0:26:24.560 --> 0:26:29.000
<v Speaker 3>So so when I got there, it wasn't quite what

0:26:29.119 --> 0:26:33.239
<v Speaker 3>I expected, but it was still like amazing just to

0:26:33.240 --> 0:26:37.040
<v Speaker 3>see people on ecstasy and kind of just you know,

0:26:37.840 --> 0:26:41.760
<v Speaker 3>dancing and kind of not caring and just having this

0:26:42.000 --> 0:26:46.760
<v Speaker 3>total freedom. But but you know, but it was kind

0:26:46.760 --> 0:26:49.800
<v Speaker 3>of in this controlled environment, and you know it was

0:26:50.160 --> 0:26:52.480
<v Speaker 3>and all the kind of dark rooms and all the

0:26:52.600 --> 0:26:55.479
<v Speaker 3>kind of colors people wearing neon, it was like a

0:26:55.480 --> 0:27:01.679
<v Speaker 3>bit of a visceral experience totally. But you know, the

0:27:01.680 --> 0:27:08.320
<v Speaker 3>bergheind just completely was just like broke all my expectations

0:27:08.440 --> 0:27:12.159
<v Speaker 3>because I've been told about it and I was like, no,

0:27:12.880 --> 0:27:14.760
<v Speaker 3>you can't, you can't be serious.

0:27:15.080 --> 0:27:17.080
<v Speaker 2>So the burkeme we should explain to anyone listening who

0:27:17.240 --> 0:27:19.080
<v Speaker 2>may not know what it is. It's it's probably the

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:22.480
<v Speaker 2>world's most famous club, isn't it. It's in Berlin. Yes,

0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:26.879
<v Speaker 2>it's in an old power plant, and I suppose the

0:27:26.880 --> 0:27:28.760
<v Speaker 2>thing that is the two things I guess that it's

0:27:28.880 --> 0:27:33.000
<v Speaker 2>most renowned. For the guy on the door, the chances

0:27:33.040 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>are not getting you might not get in. In fact,

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:39.920
<v Speaker 2>that's quite high that you won't get in, and it's

0:27:40.000 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>quite gnarly when you do get in.

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:45.360
<v Speaker 3>Apparently, well it's a gay club, you know, that's as well.

0:27:45.440 --> 0:27:47.360
<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's and is there one room?

0:27:47.480 --> 0:27:49.600
<v Speaker 2>Is there like a room like a like a sex

0:27:50.920 --> 0:27:52.320
<v Speaker 2>there is a particular.

0:27:53.400 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 1>Totally yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:27:54.760 --> 0:27:55.720
<v Speaker 2>So when did you first go?

0:27:56.520 --> 0:28:00.480
<v Speaker 3>I think it was like it was when I was touring,

0:28:00.840 --> 0:28:03.480
<v Speaker 3>so it must have been I must have been about

0:28:03.480 --> 0:28:06.159
<v Speaker 3>twenty two, twenty three, you know, so it's not so

0:28:06.240 --> 0:28:09.400
<v Speaker 3>long ago, you know, five five, six years ago, and.

0:28:09.320 --> 0:28:11.760
<v Speaker 2>You'd heard all of these kind of oh.

0:28:11.680 --> 0:28:14.399
<v Speaker 3>Gosh, yeah, well you know, everyone who's interested in the

0:28:14.400 --> 0:28:16.760
<v Speaker 3>Burke Eye hears all these myths and all these kind

0:28:16.800 --> 0:28:20.480
<v Speaker 3>of crazy stories, and and I was like, you got no,

0:28:21.040 --> 0:28:21.360
<v Speaker 3>you know.

0:28:22.080 --> 0:28:24.639
<v Speaker 1>Don't be ridiculous. And a part of me was like,

0:28:25.440 --> 0:28:26.600
<v Speaker 1>oh my god, really I.

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.160
<v Speaker 3>Want to go and experience that.

0:28:28.000 --> 0:28:29.800
<v Speaker 2>And and.

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:34.680
<v Speaker 3>You know, it totally exceeded all my expectations. I had

0:28:35.520 --> 0:28:40.080
<v Speaker 3>the best two nights of my life, and and.

0:28:40.040 --> 0:28:42.840
<v Speaker 1>It was it was just like we got in for

0:28:44.600 --> 0:28:47.080
<v Speaker 1>to get well, actually we didn't cueue for that long.

0:28:47.240 --> 0:28:50.840
<v Speaker 3>I mean, because I was with somebody who who had

0:28:50.880 --> 0:28:54.920
<v Speaker 3>been before and was also friends with the owner, which

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.520
<v Speaker 3>is also That's another thing to mention is that the

0:28:57.520 --> 0:29:01.960
<v Speaker 3>owner is a really important figure in the whole Berlin

0:29:03.440 --> 0:29:07.320
<v Speaker 3>Rave kind of club being seen in Berlin. He's a

0:29:07.400 --> 0:29:11.520
<v Speaker 3>he's a very like Maverick character who believes, who has

0:29:11.600 --> 0:29:16.000
<v Speaker 3>very strong ideas of clubs and what a club should

0:29:16.040 --> 0:29:21.160
<v Speaker 3>be and how it should present itself and how it

0:29:21.160 --> 0:29:26.040
<v Speaker 3>should be a freedom of expression. But that freedom of expression, obviously,

0:29:26.360 --> 0:29:28.680
<v Speaker 3>like with its rules of how you know, not letting

0:29:28.720 --> 0:29:30.680
<v Speaker 3>people in, has been quite controversial.

0:29:31.280 --> 0:29:35.880
<v Speaker 2>But like that paradox, this is a place of complete acceptance.

0:29:36.120 --> 0:29:39.120
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, you have to be in a yeah exactly.

0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:43.280
<v Speaker 3>Not for you totally, but I kind of respect I

0:29:43.280 --> 0:29:45.200
<v Speaker 3>don't know, I mean, it's really it's a hard one,

0:29:45.520 --> 0:29:47.800
<v Speaker 3>but I do sort of respect it in a way

0:29:48.040 --> 0:29:52.520
<v Speaker 3>because also you have to think about the people in

0:29:52.560 --> 0:29:57.000
<v Speaker 3>that club expressing themselves in a certain way and being

0:29:57.200 --> 0:29:59.840
<v Speaker 3>safe to express themselves in a certain way. And if

0:29:59.840 --> 0:30:02.680
<v Speaker 3>you're going to let in any old you know, Tom

0:30:02.720 --> 0:30:06.560
<v Speaker 3>Dick and Harry and suddenly loses.

0:30:06.120 --> 0:30:10.640
<v Speaker 2>That especially tourists just want to.

0:30:10.640 --> 0:30:14.200
<v Speaker 3>Well exactly, and Burghine is going to be protected by

0:30:14.400 --> 0:30:17.480
<v Speaker 3>the whole of the DJ community because not only that

0:30:17.560 --> 0:30:20.080
<v Speaker 3>it's just like for a DJ to play the burghind

0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:22.640
<v Speaker 3>is like a real like you know, I've made it

0:30:22.880 --> 0:30:26.920
<v Speaker 3>moment or Panorama Bar. You know again, Panorama Bar is

0:30:26.920 --> 0:30:30.920
<v Speaker 3>like you know, to play that is like you know,

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I'm here. You know, I think that's a real moment

0:30:34.160 --> 0:30:37.160
<v Speaker 3>for a lot of DJs. So it be forever protected,

0:30:37.240 --> 0:30:41.600
<v Speaker 3>I hope, you know, by the DJ community. But no,

0:30:41.720 --> 0:30:46.240
<v Speaker 3>it totally changed. It changed my whole perception of clubs.

0:30:46.440 --> 0:30:51.040
<v Speaker 3>And and then you know, when I went about three

0:30:51.320 --> 0:30:55.719
<v Speaker 3>four years ago, I was I stopped drinking. So I

0:30:55.760 --> 0:30:58.400
<v Speaker 3>did one trip to Berlin where I went to the

0:30:58.400 --> 0:31:03.640
<v Speaker 3>berghind sober and actually found it quite amazing.

0:31:04.120 --> 0:31:06.480
<v Speaker 1>But I didn't last very long. You know.

0:31:07.000 --> 0:31:09.280
<v Speaker 3>You know, you get to about sort of three o'clock

0:31:09.320 --> 0:31:11.200
<v Speaker 3>and you're a bit like three o'clock in the morning,

0:31:11.200 --> 0:31:14.080
<v Speaker 3>I should say, and you're a bit like really struggling,

0:31:14.120 --> 0:31:16.640
<v Speaker 3>and there's only so many club martes that I can drink.

0:31:17.120 --> 0:31:19.520
<v Speaker 3>But there are other clubs in Berlin that I went

0:31:19.560 --> 0:31:23.560
<v Speaker 3>to with my so As friends. In fact, because so

0:31:23.680 --> 0:31:26.800
<v Speaker 3>As was quite quite a sort of you know, my

0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:31.520
<v Speaker 3>university experience was really like kind of drug exploration time.

0:31:31.800 --> 0:31:32.880
<v Speaker 1>As his most.

0:31:33.000 --> 0:31:36.560
<v Speaker 3>People's university experience, and so I met again another group

0:31:36.600 --> 0:31:39.920
<v Speaker 3>who are like my best mates, and we just sort of,

0:31:40.320 --> 0:31:43.280
<v Speaker 3>you know, danced and did all sorts and you know,

0:31:44.040 --> 0:31:46.960
<v Speaker 3>so I went with them to Berlin on this one trip.

0:31:47.080 --> 0:31:51.320
<v Speaker 3>My friend's partner is a really amazing DJ called Gato Fritto,

0:31:51.920 --> 0:31:56.040
<v Speaker 3>and he was DJing at this club and I've forgotten

0:31:56.040 --> 0:31:56.400
<v Speaker 3>the name.

0:31:56.800 --> 0:31:57.760
<v Speaker 1>It begins with an oh.

0:31:57.840 --> 0:32:00.560
<v Speaker 3>I think it was Ramada Ramada or something, a really

0:32:00.600 --> 0:32:04.600
<v Speaker 3>amazing club in Berlin. And I was completely sober. And

0:32:04.640 --> 0:32:09.560
<v Speaker 3>it was the first time actually, because the burd kind

0:32:09.640 --> 0:32:13.280
<v Speaker 3>sometimes the music can be very full on, and of

0:32:13.320 --> 0:32:16.600
<v Speaker 3>course everything else is so you know, visual, and it's

0:32:16.640 --> 0:32:18.880
<v Speaker 3>all a bit it's I found it a bit much

0:32:19.000 --> 0:32:23.160
<v Speaker 3>sober actually. But this other night that I went to,

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 3>the music suddenly was just like for not. I suddenly

0:32:27.960 --> 0:32:30.240
<v Speaker 3>was like in the middle of the dance floor, not

0:32:30.440 --> 0:32:33.920
<v Speaker 3>caring that I wasn't on anything. I was just like wow,

0:32:34.360 --> 0:32:36.920
<v Speaker 3>and all these people dancing and it was just a

0:32:36.960 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 3>real moment. That's what about what the dance floor is about.

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:43.040
<v Speaker 3>It was just it was I can't you know, it's.

0:32:42.920 --> 0:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Hard to explain.

0:32:43.800 --> 0:32:46.959
<v Speaker 3>Really, It's just this you feel when there's this collective

0:32:47.000 --> 0:32:50.680
<v Speaker 3>moment of people that you don't know, you wouldn't see

0:32:50.680 --> 0:32:55.120
<v Speaker 3>them again, but you feel like one raving and it's

0:32:55.200 --> 0:32:58.360
<v Speaker 3>it's that cliche, but but I hadn't felt that before,

0:32:58.720 --> 0:32:59.920
<v Speaker 3>but this time it was kind of.

0:33:01.520 --> 0:33:03.959
<v Speaker 1>Felt kind of almost like therapy. Really.

0:33:04.440 --> 0:33:06.120
<v Speaker 2>I mean, this is all kind of fed into your

0:33:06.160 --> 0:33:08.240
<v Speaker 2>second record. We're not had to speak too much about

0:33:08.240 --> 0:33:11.600
<v Speaker 2>your second record just yet, but I mean your first

0:33:11.640 --> 0:33:17.280
<v Speaker 2>one was twenty fifteen, which is it's not forever ago,

0:33:17.360 --> 0:33:19.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's long enough ago for it to feel like

0:33:19.560 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 2>quite a long time.

0:33:20.480 --> 0:33:22.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, no it is.

0:33:22.360 --> 0:33:23.840
<v Speaker 2>And you were twenty one when that came out.

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:24.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:26.840
<v Speaker 2>When you think back to that time of putting out

0:33:26.840 --> 0:33:29.440
<v Speaker 2>your first record, yeah, what do you What are your

0:33:29.520 --> 0:33:32.400
<v Speaker 2>kind of memories of it and how that experience was

0:33:32.440 --> 0:33:33.960
<v Speaker 2>of putting out a debut album.

0:33:34.160 --> 0:33:37.120
<v Speaker 3>Well, I was, well, I was a little bit older

0:33:37.160 --> 0:33:40.920
<v Speaker 3>than twenty one, right, I was, like I started writing

0:33:40.960 --> 0:33:43.840
<v Speaker 3>the record when I was probably when I was about

0:33:43.880 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 3>twenty one twenty two. The album came out when I

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:50.720
<v Speaker 3>was twenty four, but it was, you know, it's really

0:33:51.640 --> 0:33:54.840
<v Speaker 3>it was kind of like just an experiment actually, you know,

0:33:55.160 --> 0:33:58.360
<v Speaker 3>and I was sort of going through quite a lot

0:33:58.680 --> 0:34:02.880
<v Speaker 3>and i'd you know, I didn't. I'd been because I've

0:34:02.920 --> 0:34:06.560
<v Speaker 3>been session drumming. That was the sort of main focus.

0:34:06.680 --> 0:34:09.960
<v Speaker 3>But then I played a couple of people what I

0:34:10.040 --> 0:34:14.279
<v Speaker 3>was writing, and they said, well, this is really good

0:34:14.400 --> 0:34:17.600
<v Speaker 3>and you should maybe focus on this actually, because you know,

0:34:17.960 --> 0:34:20.359
<v Speaker 3>if you really worked on this, I reckon people would

0:34:20.400 --> 0:34:22.719
<v Speaker 3>really dig it and you could, you know, you.

0:34:22.719 --> 0:34:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Could perhaps have a bit of a career in this.

0:34:24.480 --> 0:34:27.080
<v Speaker 3>So then I took it quite seriously and I kind

0:34:27.120 --> 0:34:30.520
<v Speaker 3>of locked myself away in the in the studios that

0:34:30.640 --> 0:34:34.120
<v Speaker 3>I tried to, you know, use my dad's studio at night,

0:34:34.880 --> 0:34:39.440
<v Speaker 3>and then I remember using Hot Chips studio like like

0:34:39.640 --> 0:34:42.120
<v Speaker 3>in central London, and then I was using some other

0:34:42.160 --> 0:34:44.160
<v Speaker 3>student but you know, and it was all a bit

0:34:44.160 --> 0:34:49.440
<v Speaker 3>of an experiment, of an expression of kind of no discipline.

0:34:49.480 --> 0:34:51.200
<v Speaker 1>It was just like throw everything at it.

0:34:51.560 --> 0:34:56.440
<v Speaker 3>And it was quite a mad time because my parents

0:34:56.480 --> 0:34:59.719
<v Speaker 3>were breaking up and it was yeah, it was just

0:35:00.719 --> 0:35:03.280
<v Speaker 3>it was all a bit of a crazy, crazy time.

0:35:03.320 --> 0:35:07.160
<v Speaker 3>And the album kind of reflects that, I think a

0:35:07.200 --> 0:35:10.160
<v Speaker 3>little bit of a window into what could be, but

0:35:10.200 --> 0:35:13.799
<v Speaker 3>it's not that accessible because I think it's just very like,

0:35:14.360 --> 0:35:16.840
<v Speaker 3>you know, there's so many textures to the songs.

0:35:17.000 --> 0:35:18.839
<v Speaker 1>I love that album. I really do.

0:35:19.480 --> 0:35:23.040
<v Speaker 3>And actually it's all part of this journey because with

0:35:23.120 --> 0:35:26.040
<v Speaker 3>the first record, I didn't feel it was that accessible. Really,

0:35:26.800 --> 0:35:30.200
<v Speaker 3>it's got a really interesting sound to it, but the

0:35:30.280 --> 0:35:34.680
<v Speaker 3>accessibility is not It's a very niche sound. And so

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.600
<v Speaker 3>with this second record, I really wanted it to sound

0:35:37.640 --> 0:35:40.359
<v Speaker 3>a bit more like So and So could hear it

0:35:40.400 --> 0:35:42.640
<v Speaker 3>and be like, Oh that's wicked or So and so good.

0:35:42.680 --> 0:35:46.040
<v Speaker 2>You know, it's really worked, isn't it? Like the two

0:35:46.120 --> 0:35:48.680
<v Speaker 2>I mean I've heard that. I have heard the whole record,

0:35:48.760 --> 0:35:50.840
<v Speaker 2>but the two tracks that people will have heard that

0:35:50.840 --> 0:35:53.799
<v Speaker 2>are out there, Yes, they've been doing really well, like

0:35:54.160 --> 0:35:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Radio one place, which no, it's still a huge thing,

0:35:59.600 --> 0:36:02.120
<v Speaker 2>isn't it. Like getting on a Radio one list and

0:36:02.120 --> 0:36:05.040
<v Speaker 2>getting getting your single page is massive.

0:36:04.800 --> 0:36:07.399
<v Speaker 3>Totally, And you know the first record never did that,

0:36:07.719 --> 0:36:11.560
<v Speaker 3>you know, it was quite it was a very underground record,

0:36:11.680 --> 0:36:14.320
<v Speaker 3>you know, Which is which is I? You know, I

0:36:15.000 --> 0:36:19.880
<v Speaker 3>I love that piece of work, I really do. But

0:36:20.040 --> 0:36:23.120
<v Speaker 3>for me, every single part of this is like I

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:27.680
<v Speaker 3>want to develop. So even now the second record, I'm like,

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:29.360
<v Speaker 3>I know what I do for the third record.

0:36:29.520 --> 0:36:32.440
<v Speaker 2>And in that interim as well. Between these two albums,

0:36:32.880 --> 0:36:36.480
<v Speaker 2>you've been writing with Flaming Lips, haven't you. Yes, they

0:36:36.560 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 2>live in Oklahoma.

0:36:37.600 --> 0:36:38.520
<v Speaker 1>They live in Oklahoma.

0:36:38.640 --> 0:36:46.360
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, well Wayne and Stephen and Derek and some of

0:36:46.360 --> 0:36:52.080
<v Speaker 3>the other band members Nick and yeah, they live in Oklahoma.

0:36:53.800 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 3>Some of the other players live in elsewhere, but no,

0:36:57.200 --> 0:36:59.160
<v Speaker 3>Wayne resides in yeah.

0:36:59.280 --> 0:36:59.920
<v Speaker 1>Oklahoma City.

0:37:00.280 --> 0:37:03.800
<v Speaker 2>So how did you get to know those guys? That happened?

0:37:04.080 --> 0:37:05.400
<v Speaker 1>It was an amazing story.

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<v Speaker 3>Actually, we were playing Wilderness Festival and the Flaming Lips

0:37:08.480 --> 0:37:12.480
<v Speaker 3>were headlining, and we were on at a really early

0:37:12.600 --> 0:37:15.480
<v Speaker 3>hour and I think people were just sort of waking up.

0:37:15.960 --> 0:37:17.399
<v Speaker 1>So we didn't have that early day.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, it was like twelve o'clock on a Saturday, but

0:37:21.239 --> 0:37:23.600
<v Speaker 3>it was like you could clearly see that people were

0:37:23.600 --> 0:37:26.400
<v Speaker 3>still were kind of like hungover and just like getting

0:37:26.440 --> 0:37:28.960
<v Speaker 3>their breakfast buns or whatever. And we were on the

0:37:29.000 --> 0:37:31.520
<v Speaker 3>main stage and we uh And it was when I

0:37:31.560 --> 0:37:35.680
<v Speaker 3>had Henako Maurium in the band, and and me and

0:37:35.719 --> 0:37:36.880
<v Speaker 3>Hanako were kind.

0:37:36.719 --> 0:37:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Of like, oh this.

0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:40.040
<v Speaker 3>We were looking at each other going this is this

0:37:40.080 --> 0:37:42.000
<v Speaker 3>is a bit of a push, this is a bad one.

0:37:43.000 --> 0:37:46.960
<v Speaker 3>And suddenly I looked to the left of me and

0:37:47.000 --> 0:37:50.759
<v Speaker 3>I was like, fuck, that's way in Quint just like

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:55.279
<v Speaker 3>losing a shit to one of my songs, and I

0:37:55.320 --> 0:37:59.120
<v Speaker 3>was like, I was so surprised. I actually stopped the track.

0:37:59.600 --> 0:38:01.239
<v Speaker 1>I think I stopped the chat and I was just like,

0:38:02.400 --> 0:38:05.560
<v Speaker 1>I'm sorry, like Wayne coy is sounding on the side

0:38:05.600 --> 0:38:07.600
<v Speaker 1>of the stage like losing ship.

0:38:07.680 --> 0:38:10.680
<v Speaker 3>And then basically we got off stage and I was

0:38:10.719 --> 0:38:13.080
<v Speaker 3>just like, where's where, you know, and I went to

0:38:13.160 --> 0:38:15.040
<v Speaker 3>the backstage bit and I just immediately went to it

0:38:15.120 --> 0:38:17.359
<v Speaker 3>and I was just like, that was the best moment ever.

0:38:17.440 --> 0:38:20.200
<v Speaker 3>Thank you. That saved honestly because it was such a

0:38:20.280 --> 0:38:22.280
<v Speaker 3>it was a bit of a bad show. And Wayne

0:38:22.680 --> 0:38:24.680
<v Speaker 3>and it was like he was like, gosh, you know,

0:38:24.719 --> 0:38:27.880
<v Speaker 3>it's cool ship and you know, would you you know,

0:38:28.000 --> 0:38:31.040
<v Speaker 3>would you write? He was really interested in in the

0:38:31.080 --> 0:38:34.080
<v Speaker 3>whole process and the music and he loved it. And

0:38:34.120 --> 0:38:38.319
<v Speaker 3>then that went to come and join us on our

0:38:38.480 --> 0:38:39.120
<v Speaker 3>UK leg.

0:38:40.200 --> 0:38:42.719
<v Speaker 1>So we did that. We supported we did.

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<v Speaker 3>Not only UK but did Europe with them, and then

0:38:46.520 --> 0:38:50.560
<v Speaker 3>from that I basically got a unicorn tattoo with them all.

0:38:51.080 --> 0:38:53.560
<v Speaker 2>Really yeah well on on that tour, yeah, it was

0:38:53.560 --> 0:38:57.239
<v Speaker 2>called there will be yeah wow. So you've all got

0:38:57.239 --> 0:38:59.279
<v Speaker 2>the matching. We've all got matching, you know, you and

0:38:59.320 --> 0:39:00.680
<v Speaker 2>the rest of the flame. Yeah.

0:39:00.880 --> 0:39:03.239
<v Speaker 3>In fact, I've got another tattoo that me, Wayne and

0:39:03.320 --> 0:39:04.920
<v Speaker 3>Katie got as well, and it was part of their

0:39:04.960 --> 0:39:10.600
<v Speaker 3>engagement party thing that everyone got this love skull tattoo.

0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:17.040
<v Speaker 3>But yeah, that went from me becoming really good friends

0:39:17.080 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 3>with Wayne and his wife Katie, and then Wayne invited

0:39:22.440 --> 0:39:26.760
<v Speaker 3>me out to Oklahoma to start, you know, kind of collaborating,

0:39:26.920 --> 0:39:29.800
<v Speaker 3>and that's gone on to now have been about four times,

0:39:30.239 --> 0:39:33.560
<v Speaker 3>and I'm planning my next trip, but it's kind of

0:39:33.719 --> 0:39:36.880
<v Speaker 3>been on hold because Wayne and Katie are expecting their

0:39:36.920 --> 0:39:41.200
<v Speaker 3>first child, so which is due any kind of time

0:39:41.239 --> 0:39:44.000
<v Speaker 3>this month actually, I think the beginning of April or something.

0:39:44.400 --> 0:39:50.000
<v Speaker 3>But they've just become like Wayne's become such a close

0:39:50.040 --> 0:39:53.520
<v Speaker 3>friend of mine and Katie has two and actually, you know,

0:39:53.600 --> 0:39:59.000
<v Speaker 3>he's just he's an absolute creative enabler. He's one of

0:39:59.040 --> 0:40:02.760
<v Speaker 3>a kind person and I truly truly mean that. He's

0:40:03.920 --> 0:40:06.880
<v Speaker 3>you don't just go and create music, you go and

0:40:06.880 --> 0:40:09.200
<v Speaker 3>get a sense of like this whole world this man

0:40:09.280 --> 0:40:12.640
<v Speaker 3>has created with art, and you know, and anyway, he

0:40:12.640 --> 0:40:15.600
<v Speaker 3>would hate me talking talking about him like this because

0:40:15.920 --> 0:40:17.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, he would just say, well, we just you know,

0:40:17.760 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 3>you got to do what you fucking gotta do. And

0:40:19.480 --> 0:40:22.360
<v Speaker 3>this is you know, we didn't have much and you know,

0:40:22.440 --> 0:40:25.759
<v Speaker 3>we didn't have money, but we just made this this

0:40:25.880 --> 0:40:28.279
<v Speaker 3>world for ourselves, and you know, and it's easy to do.

0:40:28.360 --> 0:40:29.239
<v Speaker 3>You just got to do it.

0:40:29.560 --> 0:40:30.239
<v Speaker 1>So that's the.

0:40:30.280 --> 0:40:33.759
<v Speaker 3>Kind of energy you're getting off him. It's just like,

0:40:34.520 --> 0:40:37.880
<v Speaker 3>just fucking do it, if you know. And and and actually,

0:40:38.400 --> 0:40:41.000
<v Speaker 3>you know, I really feel like I have kind of

0:40:41.360 --> 0:40:45.759
<v Speaker 3>taken taken that advice on a little bit, and you know,

0:40:46.120 --> 0:40:47.320
<v Speaker 3>it's really inspiring.

0:40:47.840 --> 0:40:50.520
<v Speaker 2>That's nice to hear that he is exactly as I

0:40:50.560 --> 0:40:51.560
<v Speaker 2>would imagine him.

0:40:51.800 --> 0:40:53.600
<v Speaker 1>He's the nicest man in music.

0:40:55.320 --> 0:40:59.600
<v Speaker 2>Do you realize by flaming lips as I'm embarrassed as

0:41:00.200 --> 0:41:02.680
<v Speaker 2>by how cliche this is. But that's the song that

0:41:02.760 --> 0:41:05.440
<v Speaker 2>makes me cry. Yeah, whenever I hear that song. Do

0:41:05.480 --> 0:41:06.359
<v Speaker 2>you have a song like that?

0:41:07.560 --> 0:41:07.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah?

0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.600
<v Speaker 3>For me, it would be Waiting for a Superman And

0:41:11.640 --> 0:41:19.240
<v Speaker 3>it's actually on The Sorcerer's Orphans. He Stephen dissects that song,

0:41:20.200 --> 0:41:24.759
<v Speaker 3>and that song makes me cry because it's I mean,

0:41:24.800 --> 0:41:29.520
<v Speaker 3>Wayne Stephen and Wayne's sort of songwriting partnership is such

0:41:29.520 --> 0:41:34.000
<v Speaker 3>a great partnership because Wayne, because Stephen's like a musical genius, right,

0:41:34.160 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 3>But but Wayne has this kind of incredible lyrical approach

0:41:40.080 --> 0:41:43.400
<v Speaker 3>and it's the way he delivers it and voice, you know,

0:41:43.800 --> 0:41:47.520
<v Speaker 3>and his tone is a very unique tone. And Stephen

0:41:48.160 --> 0:41:50.640
<v Speaker 3>obviously writes in the key to him. So when when

0:41:50.680 --> 0:41:52.799
<v Speaker 3>you when he dissects a song where he has to

0:41:52.960 --> 0:41:55.400
<v Speaker 3>like take it up a few keys to Wayne's, the

0:41:55.800 --> 0:42:00.400
<v Speaker 3>song becomes Wayne's song, you know, And and you know

0:42:00.560 --> 0:42:04.560
<v Speaker 3>that there are there are very there are voices in

0:42:04.600 --> 0:42:06.640
<v Speaker 3>the world where that can make you cry. But I

0:42:06.719 --> 0:42:10.560
<v Speaker 3>think Wayne particularly has a tone where, because he's just

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.640
<v Speaker 3>totally singing from the heart, you can't help but get emotional.

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:18.160
<v Speaker 3>And waiting for a Superman is for me, is just

0:42:19.560 --> 0:42:22.680
<v Speaker 3>you know, it's it's it's it's a total example of that.

0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:26.000
<v Speaker 3>You know. It's just one of the most beautiful songs

0:42:26.040 --> 0:42:29.560
<v Speaker 3>I think of that kind of era of music.

0:42:30.160 --> 0:42:34.400
<v Speaker 2>Are you generally like a good crier when that moment happens?

0:42:35.000 --> 0:42:36.759
<v Speaker 2>Do you just go with it or do you do

0:42:36.800 --> 0:42:37.279
<v Speaker 2>you find it?

0:42:37.400 --> 0:42:37.560
<v Speaker 3>No?

0:42:37.920 --> 0:42:40.200
<v Speaker 1>I don't. With the music. I mean music.

0:42:42.080 --> 0:42:45.040
<v Speaker 3>I have a very emotional connection with the music and

0:42:45.120 --> 0:42:49.040
<v Speaker 3>I always have as a kid. I can remember even

0:42:49.160 --> 0:42:53.640
<v Speaker 3>like crying to you know, Mama by Spice Girls. You know,

0:42:53.800 --> 0:42:57.480
<v Speaker 3>It's like music's always been a very emotive thing for me,

0:42:57.680 --> 0:43:03.080
<v Speaker 3>and and you know, there are certain there are certain

0:43:03.120 --> 0:43:05.040
<v Speaker 3>songs that yeah, I just.

0:43:05.120 --> 0:43:07.080
<v Speaker 1>You know that will make me, that will make me

0:43:07.160 --> 0:43:07.800
<v Speaker 1>really cry.

0:43:08.080 --> 0:43:10.640
<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, And and it's best to just let it out,

0:43:10.680 --> 0:43:14.239
<v Speaker 2>isn't it. I'm quite bad at that, yeah, especially it

0:43:14.280 --> 0:43:16.600
<v Speaker 2>happens to me most when I'm at shows, especially if

0:43:16.640 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 2>I'm at like a festival. Yeah, I'm at a festival,

0:43:20.760 --> 0:43:26.120
<v Speaker 2>and sometimes it'll be a song that I never kind

0:43:26.120 --> 0:43:28.720
<v Speaker 2>of felt that about before, but just in the moment

0:43:29.360 --> 0:43:34.520
<v Speaker 2>and I'm there, Yeah, i'd my face and someone to

0:43:34.560 --> 0:43:36.200
<v Speaker 2>see and be like crying.

0:43:36.280 --> 0:43:39.560
<v Speaker 4>Yeah. No, really, we're going to have to, like I

0:43:39.600 --> 0:43:41.960
<v Speaker 4>have to see you at a festival this year and

0:43:42.000 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 4>be like we'll both be like crying together.

0:43:45.000 --> 0:43:47.680
<v Speaker 1>I think festivals should be an emotive.

0:43:47.920 --> 0:43:48.759
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it should be, right.

0:43:48.880 --> 0:43:50.000
<v Speaker 1>That's when I.

0:43:49.960 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 3>Think when you go to festivals and it's not emotive,

0:43:52.520 --> 0:43:56.719
<v Speaker 3>that's when I'm like, this is not this is not

0:43:56.760 --> 0:43:59.640
<v Speaker 3>a great festival. This is just like you know, I

0:43:59.680 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 3>think Glastonbury everyone will have cried at some point during

0:44:04.640 --> 0:44:05.240
<v Speaker 3>that weekend.

0:44:05.640 --> 0:44:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Definitely.

0:44:06.120 --> 0:44:09.040
<v Speaker 3>I mean not only because they've you know, going through

0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:13.160
<v Speaker 3>kind of like mad drug experiences, but definitely they would

0:44:13.200 --> 0:44:15.560
<v Speaker 3>have gone to have seen one of their favorite bands

0:44:16.000 --> 0:44:19.719
<v Speaker 3>with their best friends and they're standing there having this

0:44:19.800 --> 0:44:22.520
<v Speaker 3>amazing and yeah, you know you're going to be crying.

0:44:22.640 --> 0:44:25.799
<v Speaker 2>That's what it's for. Did you go to Glastonbury really? Like,

0:44:26.800 --> 0:44:27.719
<v Speaker 2>did you go as a kid?

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.680
<v Speaker 3>I went once as a kid when left Field headlined

0:44:30.719 --> 0:44:33.759
<v Speaker 3>the other stage. Yeah, and that was sort of I

0:44:33.800 --> 0:44:36.440
<v Speaker 3>can't really remember it, but all I remember it was

0:44:36.600 --> 0:44:39.000
<v Speaker 3>like feeling incredibly proud.

0:44:38.600 --> 0:44:41.120
<v Speaker 1>Of being there with my mum and seeing there.

0:44:41.160 --> 0:44:44.640
<v Speaker 3>I mean, I was just like, I remember being on

0:44:44.680 --> 0:44:47.719
<v Speaker 3>somebody's shoulders. I was always on somebody's shoulders, you know,

0:44:47.760 --> 0:44:49.520
<v Speaker 3>And I always had a left Field T shirt and

0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:52.839
<v Speaker 3>I was always like the mascot, you know, the little mascot.

0:44:53.320 --> 0:44:57.440
<v Speaker 1>And I remember looking behind me and just not seeing

0:44:57.560 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>the people.

0:44:58.360 --> 0:44:58.520
<v Speaker 4>End.

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<v Speaker 3>It must have been like eighty thousand people there to

0:45:03.719 --> 0:45:06.520
<v Speaker 3>see that show, and it was an incredibly special show

0:45:06.560 --> 0:45:10.520
<v Speaker 3>because it it was like the prime time Saturday night

0:45:10.840 --> 0:45:16.440
<v Speaker 3>like sunset, you know, other stage, dance music, people on

0:45:16.719 --> 0:45:19.640
<v Speaker 3>lots of drugs, and I do remember that as a

0:45:19.719 --> 0:45:21.719
<v Speaker 3>kid in it being like, wow, this is quite a

0:45:21.760 --> 0:45:22.480
<v Speaker 3>special moment.

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