1 00:00:01,360 --> 00:00:04,400 Speaker 1: I'm John Cipher and I'm Jerry O'Shea. I was a 2 00:00:04,480 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: CIA officer stationed around the world in high threat posts 3 00:00:07,840 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: in Europe, Russia, and in Asia. 4 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,680 Speaker 2: And I served in Africa, Asia, Europe, the Middle East 5 00:00:12,760 --> 00:00:16,840 Speaker 2: and in war zones. We sometimes created conspiracies to deceive 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 2: our adversaries. 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:21,720 Speaker 1: Now we're going to use our expertise to deconstruct conspiracy 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 1: theories large and small. Could they be true? 9 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: Or are we being manipulated? 10 00:00:26,800 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: This is mission implausible. So today's guest is Brent Turhun. 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,800 Speaker 1: He's a comedian and podcaster. Some people know him as 12 00:00:36,800 --> 00:00:40,159 Speaker 1: the right wing redneck on Facebook and social media, and 13 00:00:40,280 --> 00:00:42,120 Speaker 1: Brett I'm a big fan. So it's really great to 14 00:00:42,159 --> 00:00:42,639 Speaker 1: have you on. 15 00:00:43,080 --> 00:00:45,640 Speaker 3: Thanks guys. It's good to actually meet two of the 16 00:00:45,640 --> 00:00:49,080 Speaker 3: guys responsible for killing JFK. So it's just an honor 17 00:00:49,760 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 3: to talk to you free for decades. 18 00:00:52,280 --> 00:00:53,040 Speaker 2: It takes something me. 19 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,960 Speaker 3: Hey, guys, at four, you're already well trained, so it's 20 00:00:56,000 --> 00:00:58,720 Speaker 3: good to Thanks for having me. 21 00:00:58,760 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Guys, Hey, can you tell just a little bit about 22 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:02,440 Speaker 1: your background and how did you come up with this 23 00:01:02,560 --> 00:01:04,000 Speaker 1: character that's becomes so popular. 24 00:01:04,200 --> 00:01:06,759 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's I'm a stand up comedian and I've been 25 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,399 Speaker 3: doing that for I almost like nineteen years. And then 26 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:15,960 Speaker 3: I started doing these videos pre COVID, and it's a 27 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 3: guy that's rants in his truck. So there's no shortage 28 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:21,559 Speaker 3: of people that go and sit in their car after 29 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:24,680 Speaker 3: they just got booted from whatever business they were causing 30 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,480 Speaker 3: a scene in and then they go and record these videos. 31 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:29,160 Speaker 3: So I do that. 32 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,720 Speaker 4: So I'd just seen on everywhere but Fox News they're 33 00:01:33,760 --> 00:01:36,080 Speaker 4: saying Trump is messing up the economy. 34 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 3: That's a blatant lion. 35 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:41,199 Speaker 4: You know, you idiots are just playing checkers while he's 36 00:01:41,240 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 4: playing double D chess. He knows some stuff about things. 37 00:01:45,240 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 4: I don't even care about my four oh one K. Hell, 38 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 4: I could barely finish a five K. What do I 39 00:01:51,080 --> 00:01:52,440 Speaker 4: need all them ks for? 40 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:53,160 Speaker 2: Huh? 41 00:01:53,200 --> 00:01:56,520 Speaker 4: I don't care if we going to a great depression? 42 00:01:56,800 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 4: What do you think Zoloft is for? Just sprinkling the 43 00:01:59,520 --> 00:02:02,000 Speaker 4: water like they do the fluor ride. Please just give 44 00:02:02,040 --> 00:02:04,919 Speaker 4: me a truck that looks like Lord Croft's titties. Please 45 00:02:05,040 --> 00:02:07,840 Speaker 4: just own the libs, because in this economy, that's all 46 00:02:07,880 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 4: I can afford to own. 47 00:02:10,240 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: People always ask me what the name of the character is, 48 00:02:12,639 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 3: and I never expected the character to be anything so 49 00:02:15,360 --> 00:02:17,919 Speaker 3: I guess I've called him alpha male because he's the 50 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 3: quintessential alpha male. And you guys can see me on 51 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 3: the camera here, I'm the peak physical specimen, so as 52 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:27,840 Speaker 3: most of those people are that record those videos. But 53 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:32,280 Speaker 3: it's a lot of reacting to social stuff or political stuff, 54 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:35,640 Speaker 3: big headlines, and then of course I have my take 55 00:02:35,720 --> 00:02:39,120 Speaker 3: and I'm a I love maga and can't they can 56 00:02:39,200 --> 00:02:42,080 Speaker 3: do no wrong. I'm a my president still your president, 57 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 3: Donald J. Trump type guy. 58 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm a proud boy, and I got the tattoo 59 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 5: to prove it. 60 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:51,280 Speaker 3: But Trump said to stand by. 61 00:02:51,840 --> 00:02:55,880 Speaker 5: I nearly creamed my genes, which I'm not allowed to do. 62 00:02:56,000 --> 00:02:59,080 Speaker 5: We're like a fight club that talks about fight club 63 00:02:59,560 --> 00:03:01,440 Speaker 5: all the top. 64 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 3: Like we've rebranded. You know this ain't your daddy's KKK. 65 00:03:06,040 --> 00:03:09,239 Speaker 4: It's pretty hard to fight Antifa is when you're wearing 66 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:12,280 Speaker 4: a robe and a hood and that's the only mask 67 00:03:12,320 --> 00:03:14,119 Speaker 4: I'm gonna wear, by the way. 68 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 1: And what kind of beer do you drink when you 69 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:17,480 Speaker 1: have thers have a beer in hand? 70 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 2: Right? 71 00:03:17,800 --> 00:03:21,919 Speaker 3: It used to be bud Light, guys, but then it couldn't. 72 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,359 Speaker 3: It's a it's an emotional support beer, which it's a 73 00:03:25,520 --> 00:03:27,639 Speaker 3: I have a kouzi and people are like, man, you, 74 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 3: I bet you love that Trump is back in office, 75 00:03:30,320 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 3: and I'm like, nope, But I always have an emotional 76 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:38,120 Speaker 3: support beer to raise to whoever we're currently boycotting. I 77 00:03:38,160 --> 00:03:41,120 Speaker 3: also have some stuff they brought back layaway, so I 78 00:03:41,520 --> 00:03:43,920 Speaker 3: put some eggason layway, so hopefully they're still good by 79 00:03:43,960 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: the time I'm able to pay them off. 80 00:03:45,960 --> 00:03:48,400 Speaker 2: So you're a hoosier. I've always wanted to ask somebody 81 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:49,119 Speaker 2: from Indiana. 82 00:03:49,360 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 3: I don't know what it is. I don't know what 83 00:03:51,160 --> 00:03:53,080 Speaker 3: a hoosier? Is that your question? 84 00:03:53,520 --> 00:03:54,560 Speaker 2: That's not my question? 85 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:55,040 Speaker 1: Okay? 86 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 3: I told myself what is. 87 00:03:58,000 --> 00:04:01,640 Speaker 2: The difference between Indiana sports fan puppy? 88 00:04:01,920 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 3: Oh, I don't know. Why don't you tell me. 89 00:04:05,400 --> 00:04:07,480 Speaker 2: Puppies eventually grew up and stop whining. 90 00:04:07,560 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, I thought you were going to say something about 91 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 3: dribbling or something like that. 92 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: I used to live in Chicago and Indiana course is 93 00:04:14,520 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 2: where we got all our legal guns. So that's you 94 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:18,240 Speaker 2: guys are really important part of it. 95 00:04:18,400 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 3: We do have a two gun minimum to even be 96 00:04:20,360 --> 00:04:20,880 Speaker 3: in the state. 97 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,400 Speaker 2: So so I have a question for you. Yeah, yeah, 98 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:28,359 Speaker 2: but the proud boys, what are they proud of? What's 99 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 2: the pride thing that they have that I don't see. 100 00:04:32,240 --> 00:04:36,080 Speaker 3: Probably stuff that they didn't control in the first place, 101 00:04:36,279 --> 00:04:40,479 Speaker 3: was their whiteness and their being a male, stuff that 102 00:04:40,520 --> 00:04:42,800 Speaker 3: they didn't even choose. But I don't know what they 103 00:04:42,839 --> 00:04:44,400 Speaker 3: had to be proud of, because a lot of them 104 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 3: will cover their face, and of course you usually cover 105 00:04:47,600 --> 00:04:49,679 Speaker 3: your face when you're very proud of things, right. 106 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:53,200 Speaker 1: So what is it about politics that lends itself to humor? Like, 107 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,440 Speaker 1: how did you get into this character? How did you 108 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,159 Speaker 1: decide that this was the thing that you were going 109 00:04:57,240 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: to go with. 110 00:04:57,920 --> 00:05:01,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm and I'm still to not like a very 111 00:05:01,720 --> 00:05:06,360 Speaker 3: political person. The character I do is very overtly political. 112 00:05:06,640 --> 00:05:10,120 Speaker 3: But I just was watching. The impetus of the character 113 00:05:10,279 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 3: was people burning nikes in their backyards. Of course, you 114 00:05:14,200 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 3: know Colin Kaepernecks taking a knee, So then they're gonna 115 00:05:16,960 --> 00:05:19,800 Speaker 3: burn all their stuff that they've already paid for, and 116 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,919 Speaker 3: rather than donate to somebody, they want to film a 117 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:27,679 Speaker 3: video and then also go watch the game on Sunday anyway, 118 00:05:27,760 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 3: you know, like that's hypocritical to the bone. So that 119 00:05:31,040 --> 00:05:34,120 Speaker 3: was the impetus of the character. And then I did 120 00:05:34,200 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 3: two more videos, and then I realized this is refillable. 121 00:05:40,000 --> 00:05:42,520 Speaker 3: There's no lack of things to talk about. There's no 122 00:05:42,640 --> 00:05:46,920 Speaker 3: shortage of hypocrisy and politics. And also, I think in 123 00:05:47,040 --> 00:05:50,400 Speaker 3: comedy you gotta punch up. You know, you can make 124 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: jokes about a homeless guy, and sure it's funny if 125 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 3: you think that's funny, but that guy is also the 126 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 3: lowest rung of society with rich people and political people. 127 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 3: I don't really feel bad about making fun of a 128 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,200 Speaker 3: guy that could lose forty billion and still be richer 129 00:06:07,240 --> 00:06:10,400 Speaker 3: than everybody. So the other one, more recently, was like, 130 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:13,960 Speaker 3: I drove Trump's garbage truck because there was a guy 131 00:06:14,080 --> 00:06:17,560 Speaker 3: that looked that we're doppel gingers. I even showed my 132 00:06:17,640 --> 00:06:19,719 Speaker 3: wife and she goes, is that you. I'm like, no, 133 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 3: clearly it's not me. But there's no lack of people 134 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:25,760 Speaker 3: that look like me. We're all on Storm the Capitol 135 00:06:25,800 --> 00:06:31,120 Speaker 3: magazine coming up here soon the cover. But I gotta 136 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 3: say it was an honor and a privilege to drive 137 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:38,120 Speaker 3: garbage force one. President Trump is just a normal everyday guy. 138 00:06:38,200 --> 00:06:41,120 Speaker 3: He hopped in no problem. He said, how about we 139 00:06:41,160 --> 00:06:43,680 Speaker 3: take this bad boy through McDonald's And I said, sir, 140 00:06:43,800 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 3: I don't think she'll fit in the drive through. He said, 141 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 3: it's all right. I used to work there. 142 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,960 Speaker 2: So Brent, how would the listeners of this, you know, 143 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 2: not being on video, how will they know it's really 144 00:06:53,640 --> 00:06:56,520 Speaker 2: you and not like say the editor of The Atlantic. 145 00:06:56,760 --> 00:06:59,360 Speaker 2: There's a guy Benny Thompson who's being paid by the 146 00:06:59,400 --> 00:07:02,120 Speaker 2: Russians or was paid by the Russians, and he's come 147 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:04,880 Speaker 2: up with the conspiracy theory that he spawn as a 148 00:07:04,920 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 2: conspiracy and it was that putting Jeff Goldberg on the 149 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 2: chat is five dimensional chess. They knew this would happen, 150 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 2: and they were so basically like it was meant you're 151 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 2: all taken in and the other like other competing ones, 152 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: and I do mix them up. My right wing influencers 153 00:07:24,520 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 2: is no, this is a deep state trick. This is 154 00:07:27,000 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 2: John and I pulling the wool over the eyes of 155 00:07:30,760 --> 00:07:33,520 Speaker 2: the senior most folks in the US. Covers two completely 156 00:07:33,680 --> 00:07:37,720 Speaker 2: contradictory explanations for what happened. And this is what we 157 00:07:37,760 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 2: struggle with is the the psychology of it, which you 158 00:07:41,480 --> 00:07:43,920 Speaker 2: I think you touch on in your and dig deeply 159 00:07:43,960 --> 00:07:46,840 Speaker 2: into in your broadcast, the psychology of people who want 160 00:07:46,880 --> 00:07:47,720 Speaker 2: to believe. 161 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:49,680 Speaker 3: This stuff you've done a bunch of episodes of this 162 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 3: show and then have worked in the CIA forever. What 163 00:07:53,040 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 3: is it that attracts people to conspiracies like a moth 164 00:07:56,840 --> 00:07:57,480 Speaker 3: to the flame? 165 00:07:57,560 --> 00:07:57,720 Speaker 2: Is it? 166 00:07:57,720 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: Because in my head, part of it is it's the 167 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 3: community aspect. It's very much like church. You may not 168 00:08:04,280 --> 00:08:07,240 Speaker 3: even buy into the thing necessarily, but you want to 169 00:08:07,280 --> 00:08:11,840 Speaker 3: be around people. They're documentaries like The Beyond the Curve 170 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,760 Speaker 3: or whatever, the Flat Earth one where these people have 171 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 3: alienated themselves from their family, literally been cut off, and 172 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 3: now they have no choice but to hang out with 173 00:08:22,320 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: the flat Earth people. Is that something that you guys 174 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,560 Speaker 3: have delved into the community aspect of it. 175 00:08:28,920 --> 00:08:31,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. We talked to a couple of people 176 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:34,079 Speaker 1: who are real experts on conspiracy theories. Yeah, we're playing 177 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,280 Speaker 1: at it and there's a variety of things. Is the 178 00:08:36,320 --> 00:08:40,520 Speaker 1: community piece of it. There's the just human desire to 179 00:08:40,559 --> 00:08:42,280 Speaker 1: pretend like you're in the know, so when you're a 180 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: group of people you can say, oh, here's what's really 181 00:08:44,480 --> 00:08:47,360 Speaker 1: happening and get attention. There's a variety of things that 182 00:08:47,400 --> 00:08:50,760 Speaker 1: are very human because conspiracy theories it's not just politics, 183 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: and it's not just in America. We've seen it around 184 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,520 Speaker 1: the world too. It's just it's a way of simplifying 185 00:08:56,559 --> 00:08:58,840 Speaker 1: your world. And you can take this deeper and can 186 00:08:58,880 --> 00:09:01,400 Speaker 1: go down to religion and number of things where something 187 00:09:01,520 --> 00:09:05,520 Speaker 1: is really complex and maybe even can't be explained. You've 188 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,520 Speaker 1: got to create a pattern, create an explanation, and so 189 00:09:08,640 --> 00:09:11,640 Speaker 1: conspiracy is just a far end of that process. 190 00:09:11,200 --> 00:09:14,840 Speaker 3: And it's the thing of terrible things just couldn't happen. 191 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:18,360 Speaker 3: There has to be a guy pulling the strings, because 192 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:24,040 Speaker 3: for me to acknowledge that mass death happens regularly and 193 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:28,400 Speaker 3: not just as manufactured, my mind might blow up if 194 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 3: I just acknowledge the truth. 195 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:32,439 Speaker 2: The three of us, I think, are kind of sort 196 00:09:32,440 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 2: of in the same club for conspiracy theorists. The two 197 00:09:37,360 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 2: real enemies are a people who deal in facts and logic, 198 00:09:40,960 --> 00:09:43,160 Speaker 2: and as former agency guys, that's you know, we were 199 00:09:43,200 --> 00:09:46,800 Speaker 2: all about facts, and the other one is being made 200 00:09:46,840 --> 00:09:51,560 Speaker 2: fun of that punctures that puncture. So I'm a history major, 201 00:09:51,640 --> 00:09:55,240 Speaker 2: and one of the things that dictators fear are comedians. 202 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,840 Speaker 2: Hitler crack down on community. It's really dangerous to be 203 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:01,520 Speaker 2: a comedian in authoritarian government, and it gets the more 204 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:03,640 Speaker 2: dangerous it gets, So. 205 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: You're fucked in other words. Yeah, One of the things 206 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: that is really interesting about and maybe even the first 207 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,640 Speaker 1: time I saw you, is that you clearly it takes 208 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:13,920 Speaker 1: a while to realize it's satire, right the first time, 209 00:10:14,000 --> 00:10:16,040 Speaker 1: that there's so much stuff that is very similar to 210 00:10:16,080 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 1: what you're doing by people who really believe this stuff. 211 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:19,200 Speaker 3: Yeah. 212 00:10:19,240 --> 00:10:21,280 Speaker 1: And so every time you do one of these, a 213 00:10:21,400 --> 00:10:23,760 Speaker 1: number of the people who comment or attack you like 214 00:10:23,800 --> 00:10:26,600 Speaker 1: you're AMaGA person. So do you get attacked by people 215 00:10:26,600 --> 00:10:29,160 Speaker 1: who misunderstand or do people eventually get it? 216 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 3: I do get both. And the thing is, it depends 217 00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:34,160 Speaker 3: on what tone I've tried to strike with the videos, 218 00:10:34,200 --> 00:10:36,720 Speaker 3: the garbage truck one and the one where the boat sings. 219 00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:39,559 Speaker 3: I try to, like I said, no, have no clear indicator. 220 00:10:39,640 --> 00:10:43,640 Speaker 3: But I've said things like I digest and I said, 221 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 3: let me get a I don't know what it was 222 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:47,640 Speaker 3: in the Eating Animals one. Let me get a rent 223 00:10:47,720 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 3: and stimpy omelet or whatever I said. What person says that? 224 00:10:51,200 --> 00:10:55,520 Speaker 3: But also I'm pairting things that are already ten out 225 00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:58,960 Speaker 3: of ten crazy. It's even the guys from South Park. 226 00:10:59,559 --> 00:11:03,000 Speaker 3: They would do a Trump parody and change their character 227 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:07,040 Speaker 3: mister Garrison into Trump, and then he would they whatever 228 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 3: he would say on the show, and then a week 229 00:11:09,000 --> 00:11:11,720 Speaker 3: later he would just say things that were crazier. So 230 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 3: how do you parody clown shoes? They're already big? So 231 00:11:15,920 --> 00:11:16,920 Speaker 3: do you go bigger? 232 00:11:17,080 --> 00:11:17,679 Speaker 1: You know, like. 233 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 3: I'm starting in a ten yelling so I look like 234 00:11:23,240 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 3: everything else. But then if you just listen, which is 235 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,319 Speaker 3: a big ask on the internet, you might. But then 236 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:30,360 Speaker 3: the worst thing is people will watch the whole thing 237 00:11:30,400 --> 00:11:32,440 Speaker 3: and quote back things to me in the comments and 238 00:11:32,480 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: still not understand. So I've gotten people that like their uncle, 239 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:39,880 Speaker 3: their right wing uncle will be he shares all the 240 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,560 Speaker 3: videos and it's not critical, he's like sending it to 241 00:11:43,600 --> 00:11:45,800 Speaker 3: me and that he likes it. I get that all 242 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 3: the time. And then I also get the left leaning people. 243 00:11:49,600 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 3: They watch thirty seconds of a video and then they're 244 00:11:51,880 --> 00:11:54,640 Speaker 3: quick to call me whatever. And I love a good roast. 245 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,560 Speaker 3: So if you roast me creatively, yes, But if you're 246 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 3: like you're fat, we all know that I can see me, 247 00:12:01,600 --> 00:12:03,760 Speaker 3: you know, like I get those two and I you know, 248 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,200 Speaker 3: I get a lot of hate messages depending on the 249 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,560 Speaker 3: topic too, and sometimes rightfully so. But I a big 250 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:12,680 Speaker 3: thing that I've learned is, man, if you're going to 251 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:16,600 Speaker 3: comment on something on the internet, at least watch it 252 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 3: till the end. And you know, if I did a 253 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:23,199 Speaker 3: ten minute video, it's on you to also watch all 254 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:26,720 Speaker 3: ten minutes of it. You know, let's take a break. 255 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 2: We'll be right back. 256 00:12:37,440 --> 00:12:39,680 Speaker 3: Hey, I'm a federal employee. This is week two. Of 257 00:12:39,720 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 3: the five things I did last week. Number one, I 258 00:12:42,080 --> 00:12:45,040 Speaker 3: used Clippy to help write my manifesto. Number two, I 259 00:12:45,040 --> 00:12:47,680 Speaker 3: got severed because I keep work at work. Number three 260 00:12:47,800 --> 00:12:50,600 Speaker 3: I microwave fish in the break room. Number four, I 261 00:12:50,720 --> 00:12:53,079 Speaker 3: enforced the dress code. I said, why aren't you wearing 262 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:55,000 Speaker 3: a suit? And he was like, I'm the janitor. And 263 00:12:55,120 --> 00:12:57,040 Speaker 3: I said, well, you need to thank me because I'm 264 00:12:57,040 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 3: out here making all these messes causing your jobs to security. 265 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:03,199 Speaker 3: And if you're so smart goodwill hunting, why don't you 266 00:13:03,200 --> 00:13:05,920 Speaker 3: figure out why the break room is always thinking so bad? 267 00:13:06,360 --> 00:13:08,880 Speaker 2: I do want to ask your sort of humor lends 268 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 2: itself to a coastal thing. And yet you were you 269 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:14,320 Speaker 2: were in Indiana where there are a lot of people. 270 00:13:14,360 --> 00:13:16,400 Speaker 2: It's mega country. That's just where I come from, this 271 00:13:16,440 --> 00:13:19,439 Speaker 2: mega country too, right, Yes, I go up there, And 272 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: what's it like being in Indiana? Must be like? Really 273 00:13:23,000 --> 00:13:25,040 Speaker 2: great and really weird all at the same time. 274 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,199 Speaker 3: I think about that too with other states too, because 275 00:13:27,200 --> 00:13:30,199 Speaker 3: as soon as you turn the election map on Indiana 276 00:13:30,240 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 3: turns red, it just turns red. But then there are 277 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,480 Speaker 3: other people that are like me. So it's just because 278 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 3: fifty one percent of the state voted one way. And 279 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 3: then I when I go on the road and do 280 00:13:42,520 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 3: stand up, I have people come out and it'll be 281 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:49,600 Speaker 3: in a Kentucky or in Iowa or the reddest of 282 00:13:49,720 --> 00:13:53,000 Speaker 3: red Arkansas, and I get people that come to see 283 00:13:53,040 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 3: me because they are like me in that state. It's 284 00:13:57,080 --> 00:13:59,439 Speaker 3: just because fifty one per the percent of the people 285 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,880 Speaker 3: voted that there's other people, and it's always weird. When 286 00:14:02,920 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 3: you hear artists like I'm not going to that state 287 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 3: till so and so wins the election. I'm like, yeah, 288 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 3: that's your definitely your right. But also there are other 289 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,680 Speaker 3: people that are like you that would enjoy what you do. 290 00:14:12,840 --> 00:14:16,160 Speaker 3: So people that are creators and stuff, I'm like, just 291 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,560 Speaker 3: don't give up because there are people like that. And 292 00:14:18,800 --> 00:14:23,400 Speaker 3: I think videos like mine, I at least think help 293 00:14:23,440 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 3: people not feel alone because it's you can see all 294 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,280 Speaker 3: day every day of the things you just said. Jerry 295 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:31,920 Speaker 3: of Oh, they spun it two ways of the signal thing, 296 00:14:32,520 --> 00:14:34,480 Speaker 3: and they'll make you feel one way or the other. 297 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,960 Speaker 3: But then once you see somebody else, I think talk rationally, 298 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 3: you're like, oh, there are people like me. And I 299 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:42,640 Speaker 3: get people all the time that say you got me 300 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 3: through COVID or whatever, and I help me get through 301 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,120 Speaker 3: COVID and likewise because we could laugh or cry about things, 302 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:51,440 Speaker 3: you know. So to answer your question about what it's 303 00:14:51,480 --> 00:14:53,480 Speaker 3: like to live in Indiana, and I'm on the road 304 00:14:53,520 --> 00:14:59,280 Speaker 3: every week in different states, Indiana is everywhere like leading 305 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:01,960 Speaker 3: up to the election, and I was like, man, there 306 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:08,440 Speaker 3: are so many Trump flags everywhere and places you wouldn't 307 00:15:08,480 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 3: even imagine would be there, and especially one of my 308 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:14,800 Speaker 3: favorite was in Pennsylvania where somebody had just took their 309 00:15:14,800 --> 00:15:18,400 Speaker 3: twenty twenty flag and added a four at the end 310 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,640 Speaker 3: of it. I love that kind of stuff. But it's 311 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 3: just a blue dot in a red state. And there's 312 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:28,000 Speaker 3: no shortage of guys with the biggest trucks imaginable with 313 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,040 Speaker 3: the flags. And I don't know how it's not against 314 00:15:31,040 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 3: the law to be that flagged up and just in 315 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,360 Speaker 3: the view of everybody. But even in Saint Louis, there was. 316 00:15:38,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 3: I took a picture of it the back somebody's tailgate 317 00:15:41,960 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 3: of their truck. When when Joe Brandon stole the election 318 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:49,320 Speaker 3: and it was Joe Biden tied up in the back 319 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:53,400 Speaker 3: of the truck with a gag like that was in 320 00:15:53,720 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 3: Saint Louis, and I'm like, God, it's like when you 321 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:58,760 Speaker 3: see a car with a bunch of weed stickers on it, 322 00:15:58,800 --> 00:16:01,440 Speaker 3: You're like, you're just kind of asking for some kind 323 00:16:01,480 --> 00:16:04,560 Speaker 3: of trouble, and you also don't care. You're proud of that. 324 00:16:04,640 --> 00:16:07,400 Speaker 3: You spent like one thousand dollars to get that on 325 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,640 Speaker 3: the back of your truck. So it's everywhere, and we 326 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 3: saw it in this past election when so many states 327 00:16:13,400 --> 00:16:14,040 Speaker 3: were flipped. 328 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's true. I really frustrating when you see online 329 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: someone says saying we should let Texas leave this country. 330 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:22,840 Speaker 1: There's a lot of people in Texas. There's sensible, nice, 331 00:16:22,880 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: normal that don't write off other Americans. Patriotism is like 332 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:28,160 Speaker 1: loving your country even if you really dislike your government. 333 00:16:28,240 --> 00:16:29,400 Speaker 1: You know, Yeah, it's. 334 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:31,920 Speaker 2: Most of those folks are like really nice, Right, you 335 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 2: move in, They'll bring your cookies. I don't want to 336 00:16:34,120 --> 00:16:38,760 Speaker 2: filify forty percent of the population. Most of these people 337 00:16:38,800 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: are like really nice, but there's something there that is ugly. 338 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 3: There's a reason that the guy's president again, and it's 339 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 3: whether he was the president or not. That stuff still 340 00:16:51,520 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 3: exists that doesn't change hearts and minds. So that's the 341 00:16:55,120 --> 00:16:58,280 Speaker 3: real thing of seeing all the January sixth stuff and 342 00:16:58,280 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 3: everything that's transpired to the last eight years, and you're like, God, 343 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 3: you still don't care. And at a certain point you're like, 344 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 3: I just did it for the economy, okay, but there's 345 00:17:08,200 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 3: more at stake there than money. So well, yeah, I'm 346 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:20,520 Speaker 3: a stand up comedian. What do you think my change 347 00:17:20,600 --> 00:17:22,760 Speaker 3: jar over there in the corner is I've had to 348 00:17:22,800 --> 00:17:25,560 Speaker 3: do laundry a few times, so it's not doing well. 349 00:17:26,200 --> 00:17:29,639 Speaker 3: But it's not surprising, but it is, and it's to 350 00:17:29,720 --> 00:17:32,800 Speaker 3: write off a whole the whole state of somewhere is. 351 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:35,320 Speaker 3: But also at the same time, I'm like, I get it. 352 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:39,160 Speaker 1: I get it. It's frustration. So what is the real 353 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,400 Speaker 1: brentter you? What's your non political comedy? 354 00:17:41,520 --> 00:17:43,480 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, behind me on the video. I know there's 355 00:17:43,480 --> 00:17:46,479 Speaker 3: an audio platform, but I love horror movies. I do 356 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,359 Speaker 3: a horror movie podcast and it's a niche thing. But 357 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:55,560 Speaker 3: then Also it's like controlling. What is scary if I 358 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:57,679 Speaker 3: know it's a movie, like a horror movie. To me, 359 00:17:57,800 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 3: is the news that's real and exists. So I do 360 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:04,880 Speaker 3: the that podcast called the They're Coming to Get You 361 00:18:04,960 --> 00:18:07,119 Speaker 3: and you to remember it. It's like They're coming to 362 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,680 Speaker 3: get you Barbara from a Night of the Living Dead. 363 00:18:09,880 --> 00:18:12,280 Speaker 3: And then the other I do another podcast called The 364 00:18:12,280 --> 00:18:16,000 Speaker 3: Field Trip. It's topic based. I call it like pop 365 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 3: culture Pope wri So every episode is different, and I've 366 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:23,720 Speaker 3: done my assassinations and I chose three of that. I'm 367 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,840 Speaker 3: probably you guys haven't covered, not the. 368 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 2: Big ones, the two of them. 369 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 3: But I'm just saying, yeah, if you did Julius Caesar, 370 00:18:31,520 --> 00:18:36,280 Speaker 3: I'm impressed. E two John, it's top. It's famous last words, 371 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 3: famous last meals. I just did one on a sideshow performers. 372 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:42,080 Speaker 3: But that's the kind of stuff is. I do my 373 00:18:42,160 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 3: research and then I talk about it with a guest. 374 00:18:48,480 --> 00:19:00,960 Speaker 2: More of this after a quick break. So this is implausible, 375 00:19:01,000 --> 00:19:04,760 Speaker 2: and we do theories and conspiracies, and you're you've got 376 00:19:04,840 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 2: us now, so give us either a your favorite conspiracy. 377 00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 2: You can ask us what's the yeah you want to 378 00:19:11,960 --> 00:19:14,080 Speaker 2: know about our conspiracies, the CIA ones. 379 00:19:14,240 --> 00:19:17,040 Speaker 3: I have the one that I'm to talk about, but 380 00:19:17,240 --> 00:19:19,159 Speaker 3: one that I also want to bring up to you 381 00:19:19,160 --> 00:19:22,280 Speaker 3: guys because I was scrolling through your archive on the podcast. 382 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,680 Speaker 3: Have you guys even talked about the Donald Trump assassination attempt? 383 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:30,719 Speaker 3: Because seeing my friends online the let more left people 384 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,159 Speaker 3: for years it was oh, you guys are nothing but 385 00:19:34,680 --> 00:19:37,119 Speaker 3: saying to the right, you guys are nothing but conspiracy theorists. 386 00:19:37,160 --> 00:19:40,239 Speaker 3: And as soon as that happened, man did this the 387 00:19:40,280 --> 00:19:44,440 Speaker 3: flip the switch flip of oh it was a fake, 388 00:19:44,520 --> 00:19:46,560 Speaker 3: it was an inside job or whatever. So do you 389 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:49,439 Speaker 3: guys have thoughts on all that, because I'm interested to 390 00:19:49,520 --> 00:19:51,159 Speaker 3: hear your take on what that was. 391 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: That's a great topic and we should do it because 392 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,439 Speaker 1: you're exactly right. Immediately, people on the left did exactly 393 00:19:57,480 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: what they complained to the people and the right to and 394 00:19:59,760 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: we didn't do it because, and I think I speak 395 00:20:01,680 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: for Jerry is immediately, I would never suggest that was 396 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: fake to try to I mean, to try to hit 397 00:20:08,560 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 1: someone in the ear far away, even the simplest of things, 398 00:20:11,920 --> 00:20:15,720 Speaker 1: like it's almost impossible. The one thing about having worked 399 00:20:15,760 --> 00:20:18,320 Speaker 1: in CIA, and we talk about this on the podcast 400 00:20:18,800 --> 00:20:21,159 Speaker 1: and having been involved in trying to maybe fool the 401 00:20:21,200 --> 00:20:23,840 Speaker 1: other side or create conspiracies, if you will, however you 402 00:20:23,840 --> 00:20:26,959 Speaker 1: wanted to find is we realized just how hard it is. 403 00:20:27,000 --> 00:20:29,520 Speaker 1: There's so many moving parts in everything that happens in 404 00:20:29,560 --> 00:20:33,200 Speaker 1: the world, and to control that is crazy. You might 405 00:20:33,240 --> 00:20:35,840 Speaker 1: be able to control one or two factors, and if 406 00:20:35,880 --> 00:20:38,720 Speaker 1: you simplify it enough, you can maybe fool somebody on something, 407 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: but the notion that you could do this incredibly complex 408 00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:46,240 Speaker 1: thing that all holds together and nobody ever talks is 409 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: just insane. So immediately when people said that, it's just like, 410 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:51,000 Speaker 1: there's no this is ridiculous. There's just. 411 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,840 Speaker 2: We're really good at assassination. A great track. I could 412 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,040 Speaker 2: look at Don Castro right, you know, I was like, uh, 413 00:20:57,640 --> 00:21:00,959 Speaker 2: that's right, and of course we got that took us 414 00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:04,600 Speaker 2: ten years. The real world is complicated. And for anybody 415 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: who's ever and I grew up around firearms, I hate guns. 416 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:10,679 Speaker 2: But I'll tell you anybody who's ever dealt with a weapon, 417 00:21:10,680 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 2: if they're talking about, yeah, I'm gonna put a bullet 418 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:16,359 Speaker 2: right by your ear, that sounds like people went to 419 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 2: high school with you. Put a beer can on your 420 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 2: head and put it'll be a big beer can and 421 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,160 Speaker 2: I'll take my ear right. Don't worry about it. 422 00:21:22,640 --> 00:21:26,320 Speaker 3: Just yesterday, guys, I listened to JFK episode and the 423 00:21:26,359 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: guy was like, Oh, that was an easy shot. He 424 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,159 Speaker 3: could have done it. So what is it, Guys? 425 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,080 Speaker 2: I need answers when you're on the inside, when you're 426 00:21:36,119 --> 00:21:38,200 Speaker 2: not in government, we're not part of the deep state. 427 00:21:38,359 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 2: You We do deal often, John and I did when 428 00:21:41,960 --> 00:21:44,920 Speaker 2: we were seniors in the agency with senior political guys. 429 00:21:45,280 --> 00:21:48,680 Speaker 2: And you know what, there's messed up and silly and 430 00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:51,200 Speaker 2: foolish as anybody else. If somebody thinks there's like this 431 00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:55,520 Speaker 2: special level of competence in any white house, like they 432 00:21:55,600 --> 00:21:58,200 Speaker 2: are no different than the rest of us, and they 433 00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,640 Speaker 2: fuck up and hold. 434 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,639 Speaker 1: On now, hold on, I'm going to take this the 435 00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:04,280 Speaker 1: next step. Okay, we just saw the screenshots of them. 436 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,879 Speaker 1: They were knocking down apartment buildings to kill terrorists and 437 00:22:08,160 --> 00:22:10,879 Speaker 1: admitted that they killed people in the apartment. Jerry, you 438 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,680 Speaker 1: and I were involved in lethal efforts to go after 439 00:22:13,680 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: a specific terrorists, and you saw the amount of work 440 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: to make sure you're the right person, one person that 441 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:21,760 Speaker 1: no one else was hit. And when that's done, it's 442 00:22:21,760 --> 00:22:25,680 Speaker 1: done with such seriousness. There is no that communications line, 443 00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:30,240 Speaker 1: there's no joking. It's all very careful. To see these 444 00:22:30,280 --> 00:22:33,879 Speaker 1: guys like towel snapping each other and doing emojis and 445 00:22:33,920 --> 00:22:39,200 Speaker 1: fist bumps. That is just inappropriate for any national security person. 446 00:22:39,240 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 1: These guys are first of all, they're all unfit. They 447 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:43,239 Speaker 1: shouldn't be inop positions for the first place. But if 448 00:22:43,280 --> 00:22:45,200 Speaker 1: you're going to do national security, you need to take 449 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,200 Speaker 1: it seriously. I found that incredibly distasteful, and then lying 450 00:22:49,240 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: about it. They were cutting and pasting from clearly something 451 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:54,600 Speaker 1: that was classified and then telling us that it was 452 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:59,080 Speaker 1: all not classified. So it really so. Yes, I've seen 453 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,879 Speaker 1: serious pep and serious positions not be as impressive as 454 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: you think, but this to me was really beyond the pass. 455 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,320 Speaker 2: This is a league of its own, and this is serious. 456 00:23:09,320 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 2: But I really want to underline this to anybody. Listen, 457 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: Like I was in a rock back when Isis took 458 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:17,800 Speaker 2: over and we were struggling to keeping keeping Isis from 459 00:23:17,840 --> 00:23:21,760 Speaker 2: taking over the country and introducing slavery again and introducing 460 00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,800 Speaker 2: rape is being legal. These are like really bad guys. Yeah, 461 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,040 Speaker 2: And when there was I just say carefully, I say this, 462 00:23:28,280 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 2: when there was a strike that killed a senior isis guy. 463 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,560 Speaker 2: You know where I was, there was a standing rule. 464 00:23:36,640 --> 00:23:41,320 Speaker 2: There's no cheers. Like what we have done was not good. 465 00:23:41,840 --> 00:23:45,920 Speaker 2: It was just less bad because it was about saving lives. 466 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:50,760 Speaker 2: That's what you should be focused on, never taking. That's 467 00:23:50,760 --> 00:23:53,360 Speaker 2: what separates us from them, is right. We take no 468 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:57,040 Speaker 2: one of the jures anyway, you take that. Yeah, no pleasure, 469 00:23:57,160 --> 00:24:01,080 Speaker 2: no joy even in that. It's this is because the 470 00:24:01,080 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 2: problem is if we don't, other innocent people will die. 471 00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:08,760 Speaker 2: It is a serious, terrible sort of decision making for 472 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 2: curR And yeah, you're right, John. The high fiving and 473 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,360 Speaker 2: cheering is inhuman in a lot of words, in many ways. 474 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:18,560 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's guys, you're just not fun. Can we decide 475 00:24:18,359 --> 00:24:23,480 Speaker 3: to go to a better question? See it's not entertain. 476 00:24:25,960 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: We'll try again, try again. 477 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,200 Speaker 3: Your answers were good, but it's not what people want 478 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 3: to hear of. Now. The other one that I've enjoyed 479 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:38,720 Speaker 3: watching and enjoy is the wrong word, but it's been 480 00:24:38,840 --> 00:24:43,119 Speaker 3: the whole Quanon thing because I could see the same 481 00:24:43,240 --> 00:24:47,360 Speaker 3: stuff I think that they were seeing. I can go 482 00:24:47,440 --> 00:24:49,919 Speaker 3: on the four Chans and the eight Chans and the 483 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:54,600 Speaker 3: whatever chans and see the posts and then also, just 484 00:24:54,640 --> 00:24:58,720 Speaker 3: a neighborhood over from me, I could ride my bike past. 485 00:24:59,080 --> 00:25:04,720 Speaker 3: The house had QAnon pillows on the porch and then 486 00:25:04,760 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: the QAnon flags. The whole porch was QAnon. Now it's not. 487 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 3: Now it's just American flags. So thank god for that, guys. 488 00:25:15,480 --> 00:25:19,280 Speaker 3: But it's I've seen the I would, oh, I should 489 00:25:19,320 --> 00:25:21,320 Speaker 3: find I'm gonna get this free and show you guys. 490 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 3: These were on telephone poles. I just thought of this. 491 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:34,520 Speaker 3: These were from info Wars. These signs it says. 492 00:25:33,600 --> 00:25:36,680 Speaker 1: Collapse is coming, prepare yourself and that. 493 00:25:36,800 --> 00:25:39,439 Speaker 3: So you see the info Wars that was on a 494 00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 3: telephone pole by my house. This is laminated to last, 495 00:25:44,200 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: and then this one the mass do nothing. They are 496 00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,199 Speaker 3: for control the Info Wars logo at the top right 497 00:25:52,240 --> 00:25:55,879 Speaker 3: there too. I saw some I saw these are my neighbors, 498 00:25:56,480 --> 00:26:00,400 Speaker 3: somewhere in the vicinity of where I live. And I 499 00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,280 Speaker 3: love conspiracy theory stuff so much. I pulled the car 500 00:26:03,400 --> 00:26:06,560 Speaker 3: over to take these down. These exist in. 501 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: My What control does asking you wear a mask gets you? 502 00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: I don't quite get. 503 00:26:10,359 --> 00:26:12,320 Speaker 3: It, I know, but yeah, that's like my big thing 504 00:26:12,400 --> 00:26:15,080 Speaker 3: with not necessarily Quanon, but like the flat Earth or 505 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:18,000 Speaker 3: the fake the moon landing and all this, Like, if 506 00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:21,040 Speaker 3: all that is fake, My my question is to what 507 00:26:21,359 --> 00:26:26,600 Speaker 3: end to show that the government lies to you? And I, yeah, 508 00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:30,119 Speaker 3: the government does lie to us. You guys worked for 509 00:26:30,200 --> 00:26:32,920 Speaker 3: the government, and I think you would probably agree that 510 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 3: there are lies that have been told. So that's that 511 00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,199 Speaker 3: we all know that. So my thing is after the 512 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:42,399 Speaker 3: control and lie thing. Is it just money? Who's selling 513 00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 3: a lot of flat globes? Or like round? Is there 514 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,800 Speaker 3: a guy with a warehouse full of globes? Like, as 515 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 3: soon as we get rid of all these and I'll 516 00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,680 Speaker 3: just tell them it's flat. Like to what end are 517 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 3: some of these conspiracies? Is the moon landing was fake? Okay, 518 00:26:58,920 --> 00:27:01,240 Speaker 3: let's say it was? Or if we found out who 519 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:03,960 Speaker 3: actually did it, what are we going to do about it? Now? 520 00:27:04,720 --> 00:27:07,359 Speaker 3: You can't. We all know we're being lied to. But 521 00:27:07,880 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 3: at a certain point there are people starving and dying 522 00:27:11,040 --> 00:27:13,800 Speaker 3: right now. I just don't know what end a lot 523 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 3: of this stuff has. 524 00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,120 Speaker 1: It's all a lot of times it's just about people themselves. 525 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: They want attention. The world just needs to be centered 526 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:23,479 Speaker 1: around them and what they feel, their feelings. You're right, 527 00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: I can at least understand if you do a conspiracy 528 00:27:25,359 --> 00:27:28,760 Speaker 1: to make money. It feels like it's gross and disgusting, 529 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 1: but at least it seems to have some logical consistency. 530 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:36,160 Speaker 2: Fox and News makes they sell beers, snow tires, ed medicine. 531 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,840 Speaker 1: I got, We sell that on our podcast, So I'm 532 00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:42,880 Speaker 1: pretty confident that that's to go past those But. 533 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 3: What the ED stuff, guys, just hold on, talk to 534 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:48,720 Speaker 3: me about the ED stuff for quick for a friend, right, yes, 535 00:27:49,440 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 3: but you can see, like Alex Jones will say the 536 00:27:51,800 --> 00:27:55,600 Speaker 3: water's dirty and then also flip and be like, we've 537 00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:59,160 Speaker 3: got the water purefire. They're telling you that they're selling 538 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,160 Speaker 3: you the cure of the thing that they just made 539 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,800 Speaker 3: up and maybe it is a real problem. But they're 540 00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 3: also selling you the super Ginka Boloba max pure that 541 00:28:07,920 --> 00:28:10,240 Speaker 3: will fix your ED. It works. By the way, just 542 00:28:10,280 --> 00:28:11,399 Speaker 3: so you guys know the. 543 00:28:11,560 --> 00:28:15,640 Speaker 2: Human brain as it evolved over the last five thousand years, 544 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 2: because it's that's how But yeah, but the amygdala at 545 00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:22,240 Speaker 2: the base of it, the reptilian part, is still really powerful. 546 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 2: It's the fight or flight, it's the fear thing, right, 547 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:27,520 Speaker 2: And it wasn't until later that we got higher functions, 548 00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:31,320 Speaker 2: and so yeah, tapping into the amygdala response inside of 549 00:28:31,400 --> 00:28:34,960 Speaker 2: human beings is always something you can make people afraid. 550 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,760 Speaker 2: Dictators have always done it, right. I mean, Hitler makes 551 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,240 Speaker 2: people afraid of the Jews, afraid of the Bolsheviks, and 552 00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,400 Speaker 2: you got to make people afraid, and if you do 553 00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,479 Speaker 2: that gives you a political control the even our own country. 554 00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:50,760 Speaker 2: Hearst right. The Hearst Press started the Spanish American War 555 00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:54,160 Speaker 2: with supposedly the main song, which was Spanish why the 556 00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: Spanish would sink the US's main and Havana Harbor. I 557 00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 2: don't know. So angertainment can be monetized and it's a 558 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,400 Speaker 2: that's a good word, political control, and we are biologically 559 00:29:04,520 --> 00:29:08,760 Speaker 2: programmed to have because surviving is you hear Russell in 560 00:29:08,800 --> 00:29:10,920 Speaker 2: the bushes? Do you go gee, I'm going to stand 561 00:29:10,960 --> 00:29:12,920 Speaker 2: here and figure it out and see whether it's a 562 00:29:12,960 --> 00:29:15,880 Speaker 2: sabertooth tigers. No, you run, because even if you're wrong, 563 00:29:16,440 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 2: like you're still alive. It's a powerful force. 564 00:29:19,720 --> 00:29:22,200 Speaker 3: So what about QAN nine do you guys have to 565 00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:25,120 Speaker 3: say about that? I'm not up on my message boards currently, 566 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: but it seems like they were like just wait and 567 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:31,920 Speaker 3: then nothing, you know, like right. 568 00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: Well, Nancy Pelosi of course is going to stay forever 569 00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:38,960 Speaker 2: young and beautiful, because she's killing young children to get 570 00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:41,560 Speaker 2: their adrenal glands. I don't know if people should get 571 00:29:41,560 --> 00:29:44,240 Speaker 2: on there and take a look at what no offense Nancy. 572 00:29:44,280 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 2: But what Nancy looks like now, it's like the adrenaline 573 00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:50,280 Speaker 2: it's not working. She looks like an old lady. Right. 574 00:29:50,320 --> 00:29:52,800 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, I'm using it. I'm clearly you're still 575 00:29:52,840 --> 00:29:53,760 Speaker 2: young and handsome business. 576 00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 3: I'm actually eighty seven. 577 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,200 Speaker 2: But the other one, of course, is CIA and Ands 578 00:29:57,240 --> 00:30:00,200 Speaker 2: and I keep waiting, like, let's okay, Trump's president. Now 579 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 2: you've got to own these conspiracy theories. Right, he's Trump's 580 00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 2: gonna come in. He's going to expose the ped of files. 581 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 2: He's gonna show us the aliens, the JFK stuff. Maybe 582 00:30:09,040 --> 00:30:12,120 Speaker 2: not the Epstein files. Maybe they may stay under lock 583 00:30:12,160 --> 00:30:12,440 Speaker 2: and key. 584 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,800 Speaker 1: But if you've seen recently, it's the Fort Knox thing. 585 00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,120 Speaker 1: He's actually feeling. He's still a TV dude. He said, 586 00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:19,760 Speaker 1: we're gonna we don't know if it's there, We're gonna 587 00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,240 Speaker 1: go down there and show it. Like you're the president. 588 00:30:22,320 --> 00:30:24,600 Speaker 1: I say, you can send somebody there. You could be there. 589 00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:27,120 Speaker 1: You can answer this in two seconds. He said, you're 590 00:30:27,160 --> 00:30:28,040 Speaker 1: going to play it up like. 591 00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:31,600 Speaker 3: It's with aliens. Is very interesting because Trey Crowder on 592 00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 3: his episode said, yeah, he believes in mathematically, I think 593 00:30:35,560 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 3: it's to rule it out to say no is dumb. 594 00:30:39,240 --> 00:30:42,320 Speaker 3: But also then you talk about are we talking about 595 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,240 Speaker 3: micro organisms? Is that an alien? Are we talking about 596 00:30:46,240 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: guys that fly the spaceships? That's the I think there are. 597 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,600 Speaker 3: To say there's no other life in anywhere is short sighted, 598 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 3: But aliens are fun to me. All of this stuff 599 00:30:57,680 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 3: that we've talked about is is fun as whether you 600 00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,560 Speaker 3: subscribe to it you know, and how much of you 601 00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:04,120 Speaker 3: know if you. 602 00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:07,240 Speaker 1: Have to tear it with you arm yourself because of it. 603 00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, like when you find out that it's wrong, if 604 00:31:10,000 --> 00:31:12,480 Speaker 3: you have to take off more than a bumper sticker, 605 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,440 Speaker 3: then maybe you've gone into deep with it. Like, all 606 00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 3: of it is fun and it's entertaining. And that's why 607 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: I've always loved conspiracy theories because they're kind of. 608 00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:28,360 Speaker 1: Scary conspiracies because it's entertaining or interesting, or you're asking 609 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:30,880 Speaker 1: questions like could there be aliens? Let's take this to 610 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:32,560 Speaker 1: see how far it goes? What could it be? What 611 00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:37,640 Speaker 1: can is different from weaponizing or getting financial benefit out 612 00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:39,960 Speaker 1: of conspiracy theories. And what I think your humor hits 613 00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 1: on a lot of times is with the political class 614 00:31:44,360 --> 00:31:47,719 Speaker 1: using this stuff to get people angry, to spin people up, 615 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:49,560 Speaker 1: to get people out to vote. And a lot of 616 00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,720 Speaker 1: this was in twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen with Cambridge Analytical. 617 00:31:53,040 --> 00:31:55,920 Speaker 1: They actually work specifically, this is Bannon and his company 618 00:31:55,920 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: works specifically to use Facebook data to find people who 619 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,480 Speaker 1: who never voted. The people who were just were the 620 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 1: angry people, and they spun it up and created such 621 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,480 Speaker 1: anger to actually get them off their couches to go vote. 622 00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:12,040 Speaker 1: And they essentially created a class of very angry, very 623 00:32:12,080 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 1: right wing people that now is called the base, and 624 00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: some of them, it's a small enough segment that it 625 00:32:18,360 --> 00:32:21,480 Speaker 1: helps on elections, right one or two percent of crazy people. 626 00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:23,920 Speaker 3: That's got a difference, though anymore, I want. 627 00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,760 Speaker 1: You to see it now, like when you get to 628 00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: the point where you will use conspiracies knowing that someone's 629 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,440 Speaker 1: going to get hurt, knowing that someone's going to attack 630 00:32:30,440 --> 00:32:33,160 Speaker 1: the capital, knowing they're going to that's to me, that's 631 00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: a whole different thing. 632 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:35,840 Speaker 3: I had a friend and we were coming back from 633 00:32:35,880 --> 00:32:38,480 Speaker 3: a comedy festival and he's wearing the badge, and the 634 00:32:38,720 --> 00:32:41,400 Speaker 3: gas station tenant was like, oh, what is that for, 635 00:32:41,560 --> 00:32:43,320 Speaker 3: andings that we've just had a comedy festival, and the 636 00:32:43,360 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 3: guy literally said, oh, comedy's not been funny since Trump won, 637 00:32:47,240 --> 00:32:50,800 Speaker 3: which means all the Trump jokes, he doesn't care for it. 638 00:32:51,000 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 3: It's you could. I think you should. Like I said 639 00:32:54,000 --> 00:32:56,880 Speaker 3: at the beginning, we should be punching up no matter 640 00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:00,320 Speaker 3: who is in charge, because they are in charge and 641 00:33:00,360 --> 00:33:03,040 Speaker 3: we are not, so they are more open to scrutiny. 642 00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,520 Speaker 3: And also it's more fun to laugh. Who doesn't want 643 00:33:06,560 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 3: to laugh? It makes you feel better and it makes 644 00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 3: you It makes us. We have more in common than 645 00:33:12,240 --> 00:33:15,719 Speaker 3: we have not and it shows that we are not alone. 646 00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:18,680 Speaker 3: There's truth and humor, So when you laugh at something, 647 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,720 Speaker 3: you are admitting that there's truth to what I just said. 648 00:33:21,840 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: Oh, Bret, thank you so much for taking the time 649 00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:25,320 Speaker 1: with us and being on with us. 650 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 2: And you're great. It's really been fun. Yeah. 651 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: Well, we'll continue to follow you, and I would encourage 652 00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,640 Speaker 1: anybody listening to us to follow Brent to human on 653 00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:32,960 Speaker 1: all sorts of social media. 654 00:33:33,080 --> 00:33:33,920 Speaker 3: Yeah, thank you, guys. 655 00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:39,880 Speaker 6: Mission Implausible is produced by Adam Davidson Jerry O'shay, John Cipher, 656 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 6: and Jonathan Stern. The associate producer is Rachel Harner. Mission implausible. 657 00:33:45,200 --> 00:33:48,720 Speaker 6: It's a production of honorable mention and abominable pictures for 658 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:50,040 Speaker 6: iHeart podcasts 659 00:34:00,080 --> 00:34:02,720 Speaker 2: Oh