Speaker 1: Toss Popcorn is a production of iHeartRadio.
Speaker 2: Hi. I'm Sienna Jacole and I'm Leanna Holston, and welcome
Speaker 2: to Toss Popcorn, the podcast where two idiots watched every
Speaker 2: film on the AFI's one hundred Greatest American Movies of
Speaker 2: All Time, the Very Slightly Less Racist tenth Anniversary edition,
Speaker 2: and are now watching films of our own and listeners
Speaker 2: choosing to figure out if films can bring us joy. Oh.
Speaker 3: This podcast is a safe canvas for people who don't
Speaker 3: know anything about movies. Today we're watching Portrait of a
Speaker 3: Lady on Fire, a film that is a big part
Speaker 3: of the Tossed Popcorn origin story. Our morning to say, Oh,
Speaker 3: Our Lord, Our Lord, the Year of Our Lord. Warning
Speaker 3: there will be spoilers about this French yes recent film.
Speaker 2: Yeah wow wow. Well, let's start with our predictions. Okay,
Speaker 2: I mean we already know we've seen this one years
Speaker 2: ago now, which is crazy.
Speaker 3: And let's start with mine because I'm not actually sure
Speaker 3: if I gave any helpful information.
Speaker 2: Perfect.
Speaker 3: Hi, Sienna, it's Leanna. I'm about to watch Portrait of a.
Speaker 2: Lady on Fire.
Speaker 3: Okay, Oh, I predict French to lesbians with no electricity
Speaker 3: gorgeous coastal.
Speaker 2: Views, a different type of electricity.
Speaker 3: And honestly, I really hope this movie makes me cry
Speaker 3: because it would be really cool to feel something.
Speaker 2: Wow. Looking forward to heygirl, Hey, but I can't ask
Speaker 2: you about it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't ask, not so that you've predicted.
Speaker 2: Okay, my prediction.
Speaker 3: Okay, Hey Leanna, Hey.
Speaker 2: Here, I'm about to watch Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Speaker 2: From what I recall when we watched this back in
Speaker 2: the day.
Speaker 3: Nice, there will be close and she's going into Narni ocean,
Speaker 3: the sea, the sea and gay ladies, feminist vibes, mm
Speaker 3: hmm and uh hunks of bread and cheese.
Speaker 2: Looking forward to it because I remember enjoying it last time.
Speaker 2: We'll be interested to see how we feel now after
Speaker 2: having been on this journey. Okay, well, I love you
Speaker 2: and goodbye.
Speaker 3: A hunks of bread hunks. I thought you're going to
Speaker 3: say just hunks, and I was like, actually no, no,
Speaker 3: nowhere near no hunks, no hunks allowed.
Speaker 2: Wow. Wow, Wow.
Speaker 3: Well I guess before hey girl, we have to do
Speaker 3: a bit of lore for the listener.
Speaker 2: Yeah, for those of you who tuned in recently.
Speaker 3: Hell are or I guess does anyone know anyone. I
Speaker 3: don't think anyone knows. This was just completely behind the scene.
Speaker 3: The only people who know this are us.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's like one vague post in our very early
Speaker 2: Instagram posts. Okay, but or maybe it was just my
Speaker 2: own personal Instagram.
Speaker 3: Posts wherever it was. When we were first starting tossed
Speaker 3: popcorn and figuring out how to do a podcast and
Speaker 3: what the format should be. We said we were like, oh,
Speaker 3: let's do a practice episode with a film that neither
Speaker 3: of us has seen but has wanted to. So we
Speaker 3: watched Portrait of a Lady on Fire and I remember
Speaker 3: the practice episode just being like, yeah, I really liked it.
Speaker 3: That was a crazy film.
Speaker 2: This was done well and I understood the art. We're like, oh,
Speaker 2: I don't think this works. Yeah, it wasn't the best practice,
Speaker 2: but it was fun.
Speaker 3: But that was back in our era of being ready
Speaker 3: to fight film and now that we are happy for ourselves,
Speaker 3: have choice, women's rights are off the charts, we're posting
Speaker 3: read off Women's Month.
Speaker 2: You know, we're now just honestly tired out. Uh huh.
Speaker 3: The list broke us, it really did, so it'll be
Speaker 3: interesting to hear what we have to say. This time around.
Speaker 3: Possibly this episode will also be two minutes long, but
Speaker 3: I'd be surprised.
Speaker 2: That'd be fine. Well, hey girl, hey girls, hey going.
Speaker 3: Yes, mentally I am not well, which is something that
Speaker 3: I overshared with somebody I met on the sidewalk this afternoon,
Speaker 3: and that was exciting. That's how really you can tell.
Speaker 2: I was like, oh my god, yeah, I'm just telling anybody,
Speaker 2: thanks you, and you're saying something and then either like
Speaker 2: kind of your kind of friends like acquaintances or streams
Speaker 2: or something are kind of oh god, and you're like,
Speaker 2: is that not fun anything that? Oh?
Speaker 3: I bumped into a friend actually friend of the pod
Speaker 3: and actually's friend. Jack shouts out to Jack, if they're
Speaker 3: listening to this, I'm sorry again for oversharing at you
Speaker 3: on the pavement, and uh they were like, oh my god,
Speaker 3: how are you? And I was just coming from the
Speaker 3: gym and I've had two bad workouts in a row,
Speaker 3: two days in a row, which have just made me
Speaker 3: feel like sad and angry. My workout yesterday went so
Speaker 3: bad that I was like, I think I have to
Speaker 3: stop drinking. I was not hungover, just generally, but I
Speaker 3: was like, something needs to change and that's the only
Speaker 3: thing I'm willing to make a change around. So there
Speaker 3: we go, and uh yeah, it's just it's a melancholy
Speaker 3: time coming off. We're at the butt of winter, the
Speaker 3: ass end of winter. Soon it will be spring, but
Speaker 3: crucially it's not spring yet.
Speaker 2: You know, there's a difference.
Speaker 3: Feeling that mm and I can't wait to regret sharing
Speaker 3: that with the public two weeks totally Well, you know, hey, girl, Hey,
Speaker 3: any any wisdom, any stage advice please? If not, no
Speaker 3: need great, wonderful.
Speaker 2: No. I was just gonna say, girl, you know, I too,
Speaker 2: am sord just a woman at the end of her rope. Okay,
Speaker 2: I look around my world.
Speaker 3: Christian for this week's episode, Oh my gosh, I.
Speaker 2: Look around my room and I'm just like, this is
Speaker 2: the look of someone whose life is not where they
Speaker 2: want it to be. And it's a mix of things
Speaker 2: because I've gotten the set this week and I've had
Speaker 2: a couple moments. There were a couple of those beautiful
Speaker 2: moments of life where I was like, I'm actually standing
Speaker 2: exactly where I should be standing at this time. I'm
Speaker 2: learning things about myself and what I want to do
Speaker 2: that I really value. But at the same time. Yesterday,
Speaker 2: I had to clear a bunch of stuff out of
Speaker 2: my old apartment that hadn't been cleared out yet for
Speaker 2: dumb reasons. But it was one of those things where
Speaker 2: you're like, oh, yeah, I just to pick up a
Speaker 2: couple of things, and then once you have only like
Speaker 2: thirty five minutes to do so, you're like, this isn't
Speaker 2: just a couple things actually getting it to the elevator.
Speaker 2: This is why you have people help you. This is
Speaker 2: why you hire people to help the things. When all
Speaker 2: that stuff was spilling out of the bottom of the
Speaker 2: box next to my car and I had to throw
Speaker 2: loose shoes no, actually I'm giving away. Just had to
Speaker 2: them into my car, and I was I was like
Speaker 2: sweating so much, and I tried to close the door
Speaker 2: of my car and there was a curtain rod that
Speaker 2: kept getting stuck, and I was.
Speaker 3: Like, loose shoes that you're eventually giving away is a
Speaker 3: so evocative of moving and b could replace the ernest
Speaker 3: hemingway like saddest, shortest sad story loose shoes, throwing loose shoes,
Speaker 3: I'm giving away loose shoes in car, giving shoes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am all right, wonderful I'm so so we're
Speaker 2: both you know, yes, we're both that we're both on
Speaker 2: the brink of being better. But it's not that time.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we're both at the cliff's edge of wellness, I think.
Speaker 3: But yes, but oh, but oh, how to be by
Speaker 3: the sea, to be I'd love to be by the sea.
Speaker 3: To be melancholy by the sea would just be just
Speaker 3: what the doctor ordered.
Speaker 2: Right now. Yearning on a bit of a vacation is
Speaker 2: just sort of the lifestyle. Yeah, what where are they
Speaker 2: pre marriage? On the shore? France?
Speaker 3: It is France, but it's like an island.
Speaker 2: Two weeks to do one painting. That's kind of their job.
Speaker 2: That's fair enough. It's a really intense painting. Oh yeah, no, no, no,
Speaker 2: it's a big pro you should have that much time.
Speaker 2: But it's sort of like, yeah, make your own hours.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 3: She is freelance. She's a freelance artist. Well, we've basically
Speaker 3: done it. But siena silver play. Uh huh, could you
Speaker 3: please donet which is French forgive us, not French for us,
Speaker 3: This is French of the film Portrait of a Lady
Speaker 3: on Fire.
Speaker 2: Built of Girls, Portrait of a Lady on Fire, Portrait
Speaker 2: of a woman on fire.
Speaker 3: For a second, I was like, oh, that's right, excuse me,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry. Portrait of a Lady on fire. In this
Speaker 3: French gay.
Speaker 2: Film, Marielle is hired by a mom to secretly paint
Speaker 2: her daughter Eloise, who is a bummed out stinker ever
Speaker 2: since her sister died.
Speaker 3: Such a gentle reading of the text.
Speaker 2: Yes, everyone's like she is such a bummer since her
Speaker 2: sister died. Writing is so beautiful. She is hired to
Speaker 2: paint her so that they can send her portrait off
Speaker 2: to her suitor in Milan. This film has it all
Speaker 2: sadness and yearning by the sea, female directive, romance and intimacy,
Speaker 2: almost zero men present, groups of women singing French accents
Speaker 2: and barely and.
Speaker 3: Language I suppose I mean the ultimate accent, which is
Speaker 3: to say, the language itself.
Speaker 2: And of course barely anything to do for fun because
Speaker 2: it's the past. In the end, these two lesbians fall
Speaker 2: in love and have a beautiful tragic story in which
Speaker 2: they ultimately cannot be together. Oh the end, Well, Leanna,
Speaker 2: I feel like we should just go write to our
Speaker 2: phone notes right now. Absolutely. First of all, did you
Speaker 2: cry in the end? First of all, yeah, oh, that's good.
Speaker 2: This scene.
Speaker 3: I was surprised at which scene I cried at And
Speaker 3: we'll get to that. Oh oh, and we'll get to
Speaker 3: it right now. Okay, Oh, she's asked.
Speaker 2: I have to answer it.
Speaker 3: After the break and welcome back. It was the scene
Speaker 3: the night before they have to part ways where they're
Speaker 3: talking to each other in bed about like the first
Speaker 3: time that they noticed whatever about each other. I was
Speaker 3: just like silent tears as my flatmate was like heading
Speaker 3: out to the grocery store.
Speaker 2: So sweet.
Speaker 3: Oh, okay, thank you now that that has been exercised
Speaker 3: from my system.
Speaker 2: Did you cry? I didn't, but I started a tear
Speaker 2: up at the end when she was having so much feeling.
Speaker 2: But then I was like, is having so much fear?
Speaker 2: You know what? I really had a feeling where I
Speaker 2: was like I could cry, I could. I am not
Speaker 2: gonna cry? Nice? Nice, cool? Yeah, you know I feel it.
Speaker 2: You know, Oh, Leanna, your first note. Let's do your
Speaker 2: first note because this is so applicable to me moving
Speaker 2: out yesterday. Oh you said classic men seeing something go
Speaker 2: wrong and doing nothing. Yes.
Speaker 3: When you told me that the story, I was like,
Speaker 3: honestly shut up.
Speaker 2: So two things going on here. First of all, what
Speaker 2: Leanna is referring to is she gets on this boat,
Speaker 2: mary Anne, Marianne, marian Let's go with Marianne. Let's seeah.
Speaker 2: Mary Anne Marianne is on this boat. And she's like,
Speaker 2: we see her like clutching onto her canvas, which is
Speaker 2: in this like wooden casing, and she's like, Okay, the
Speaker 2: only thing I have to do is not lose this.
Speaker 2: And she like looks away for.
Speaker 3: One second and she looks back and are in the sea.
Speaker 3: It's doing a Wilson from Castaway. They are in the sea,
Speaker 3: and you go, oh girl, okay girl. And so she's like,
Speaker 3: it is she has to jump into the frigid waters.
Speaker 3: But the thing is is it's just her and like
Speaker 3: six men rowing her over to this colonial men, six
Speaker 3: colonial men see this canvas go in the water, and
Speaker 3: they're like they stare at her in silence. It's like,
Speaker 3: what are you gonna do about bank?
Speaker 2: And that is exactly what happened to me yesterday. Is
Speaker 2: I'm thrusting a huge box that is collapsing, dissolving, trying
Speaker 2: to open up from the bottom, which it eventually would do,
Speaker 2: trying to just burst open as I'm trying to push
Speaker 2: through the elevator and there are there are loose shoes
Speaker 2: toppling out and and a curtain rod got shoved and
Speaker 2: stuck into the door of the elevator. And fortunately it
Speaker 2: was just the exterior door, so it didn't get like
Speaker 2: stuck and like brought upward the way that you see
Speaker 2: in horror films when something start a scarf gets caught
Speaker 2: or something. Of course it was the first door. And
Speaker 2: I was like, if if this did get stuck, fire sparks,
Speaker 2: crunching of metals, anything, I could have the whole the
Speaker 2: whole building could have been in jeopardy. And even so,
Speaker 2: these dudes, these bros in the lobby, we're just we're
Speaker 2: just watching and talking to farce. And clearly, clearly, I'll
Speaker 2: repeat it, a woman at the end of her rope,
Speaker 2: openly publicly at the end of her rod. Happy women's son.
Speaker 2: That's crazy.
Speaker 3: Like men used to go to war and now they
Speaker 3: will stand in the lobby of an apartment building judging
Speaker 3: an influencer's Instagram accounts while you try to talking about
Speaker 3: get a curtain rite out of an elevator.
Speaker 2: Don't they want to save someone? Isn't that there?
Speaker 3: What happened to you were a damsel in distress. I'm
Speaker 3: trying has not been socialized to do something about that.
Speaker 3: And this is one of the many problems with men
Speaker 3: these days.
Speaker 2: Exactly by that point, I had given up all desire
Speaker 2: for independence, all desire for like, oh, I'm going to
Speaker 2: do this on my own. I was like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm trying to damsel as hard as I can. And
Speaker 2: I was clearly clearly distressed, truly, and nothing received nothing,
Speaker 2: No helpless.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, did your ward just start sprinting towards
Speaker 3: a cliff edge. Go get her, You've got a few minutes.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back, Sienna. A bit an interestingly borderline
Speaker 3: zenophobic note from you. You wrote, Oh I forgot this
Speaker 3: was foreign?
Speaker 2: Oh? Sorry? Am I not allowed to say foreign? Now, well,
Speaker 2: that's a really interesting question. It does feel like a
Speaker 2: charged aject does however, it is a foreign film?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you are right, because the standard against which
Speaker 3: we're measuring it is like the American film scene.
Speaker 2: I'm also before I because you know, I do, we
Speaker 2: do get older. And I just want to make it
Speaker 2: clear that was a joke. I'm sensitive as well. Well, No,
Speaker 2: not that no, I wrote that for real. Oh but
Speaker 2: just right now, when I said I'm not allowed to
Speaker 2: say foreign, now, that's yeah, yeah, yeah, that's a play
Speaker 2: on I can't say anything anymore. Yeah, but I kind
Speaker 2: of need to say that because I'm I'm borderline sometimes
Speaker 2: right now, because I did write that down, I did
Speaker 2: forget what the point is is that I forgot always
Speaker 2: in a lunch, I forgot it was truly a French shop.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, And I was like, oh, that's right. How
Speaker 2: did you do?
Speaker 3: How did you fare? Subtitle?
Speaker 2: Fine? Actually quite quite fine, quite fine. It was well paced.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say.
Speaker 3: The pacing is good, very well paced, and it's beautiful
Speaker 3: to look at the whole time. Yeah, so it's nice
Speaker 3: that the subtitles are also on the screen that you
Speaker 3: want to look at.
Speaker 2: There are very very few people on screen at any time,
Speaker 2: because it seems that there are maybe ten people who
Speaker 2: live on this shore. Oh my gosh, shoal whatever this is,
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: An outcropping, yeah, I don't know what this was. An
Speaker 3: outcropping where witches are.
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's about thirteen witches and an out household.
Speaker 3: A woman who knows how to do an abortion, and
Speaker 3: then Twelve Witches. Leanna, you said she is behaving alarmingly
Speaker 3: when you take a dog off its leash and runs
Speaker 3: straight into the road, and you're like, now friend led
Speaker 3: outside for the first time in a long time, and
Speaker 3: she runs straight for the edge of the cliffs. And
Speaker 3: I would say that to me would be alarming behavior.
Speaker 2: I do love that this is how she decides to
Speaker 2: meet this person. She's like, yeah, meeting a person for
Speaker 2: the first time. I'm going to face my back towards
Speaker 2: them for the first five minutes of our walk, and
Speaker 2: then I'm going to run at the cliffs. Oh, it's
Speaker 2: full speed, and it's like no matter, she no wonder
Speaker 2: she fell in love with you.
Speaker 3: You know, you were a mystery and then you were
Speaker 3: a terror. You got her heart pumping right away.
Speaker 2: Yes, I think of when I think of this movie,
Speaker 2: I think of, you know, it's funny, think of cliffs.
Speaker 2: And I also remember them having like boinking a lot,
Speaker 2: But they didn't boink as much as I remembered. But
Speaker 2: it's because it's implied that they're constantly blinking, but it's
Speaker 2: not like show a lot.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I remember it was like very graphic.
Speaker 2: Because I didn't want to watch you with your romance films.
Speaker 2: I'm like, yes, they were absolutely doing it. They were
Speaker 2: absolutely doing it for hours and.
Speaker 3: It's like they kiss and then it's the next morning, like.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's a really graphic film. I think I
Speaker 2: even said that to someone. It's like a beautiful, hoophobic,
Speaker 2: beautiful love scene. At least we know I did it
Speaker 2: with the heateros as well. That's true, that is true,
Speaker 2: But yeah, no, I felt I'm like, what is wrong
Speaker 2: with me? Sianna.
Speaker 3: You've asked a question, and then I will. I would
Speaker 3: like to ask you a question after I answer the
Speaker 3: question you've asked me. You've asked, do you think you'd
Speaker 3: fall in love with anyone you had to stare at
Speaker 3: for weeks in order to secretly paint?
Speaker 2: Yes? Yeah.
Speaker 3: Also, they're the only people around. This is why I
Speaker 3: crave the past, because you're the only You're their only option.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're the only person here who isn't my mom?
Speaker 3: You have to spend so much time together, there's nothing
Speaker 3: to do besides hang out with each other. There Absolutely,
Speaker 3: finally somebody would fall in love with me with you?
Speaker 3: Uh uh yeah, but yes, I think so. And my
Speaker 3: question for you, because you at least have some artistic skill.
Speaker 3: Do you think you could draw a person just by
Speaker 3: hanging out with them all day but not being able
Speaker 3: to look at them while you're drawing them.
Speaker 2: I think it would take me a lot more attempts,
Speaker 2: but I think, yeah, oh wow, I think yeah, after
Speaker 2: enough of staring at them, Yeah, yeah, being like okay,
Speaker 2: there's that much distance between really, yeah, that's amazing, thank you.
Speaker 2: I worry sometimes that I wouldn't be able to pick
Speaker 2: my friends out of a lineup just seeing them for real.
Speaker 3: Just look like if they got five pretty similar looking people.
Speaker 2: That's so funny. You're only kind of you're mostly aware
Speaker 2: of them because of the circumstances.
Speaker 3: And yeah, I don't really look at peeople. I find
Speaker 3: that it's inappropriate. I cannot imagine staring at someone's face
Speaker 3: for that long, directly into their eyes.
Speaker 2: Oh my god. Oh yes, you said.
Speaker 3: I'm reading for the role of Plane Made.
Speaker 2: I love that role and stuff like this where it's
Speaker 2: like she has to just stand. Sophie ends up having
Speaker 2: more personality, but at first she just has to, Like
Speaker 2: she just stands blindly, no no emotion on her face
Speaker 2: at any time, one word answers, just just absolutely resigned
Speaker 2: to her life.
Speaker 3: The reveal later that she's pregnant. I'm always like, good
Speaker 3: for you, you girl. There were we've seen truly no
Speaker 3: men on this island.
Speaker 2: So I don't know where you did you go?
Speaker 3: Where'd you go to get that? She had to go
Speaker 3: get some I don't know where you got the stuff,
Speaker 3: but good for you, Good for you, Leana. You said
Speaker 3: if this was what Dune is, I'd watch Dune. I
Speaker 3: think that's very well said, and I agree, thank you.
Speaker 3: The scenes where it's windy and they've got their faces
Speaker 3: all wrapped up and they're walking along sand, that is
Speaker 3: very Yeah.
Speaker 2: For some reason, they have to wrap their mouths. Imagine
Speaker 2: if this was Dune.
Speaker 3: Why do you think they do that? Because it's cold,
Speaker 3: they have to wrap up their little nose. Maybe the
Speaker 3: sound would go in their face, but you'd think they'd
Speaker 3: cover their eyels. Yeah, but also it's gorgeous. It's esthetic,
Speaker 3: probably for mainly because it's aesthetic totally.
Speaker 2: Leana, you said, this one goes out to all my
Speaker 2: girlies with tired eyes. Oh.
Speaker 3: I was just trying to imagine having to get my
Speaker 3: own portrait taken and what a nightmare that would be, right,
Speaker 3: at this current moment. As we recall, I recently got
Speaker 3: roasted by a facialist. That's so crazy for my appearance.
Speaker 3: My god, you have tired eyes. God, you have tired eyes.
Speaker 3: First thing she said as soon as I sat down that.
Speaker 2: What happened to? How are you? You know?
Speaker 3: And so I was thinking very much about like what
Speaker 3: were what would the features be that got immortalized in
Speaker 3: a portrait that was then sent to a potential suitor.
Speaker 3: I mean, I think they'd do some like cover up,
Speaker 3: makeup in paint. I don't think they'd send the most
Speaker 3: tired version of me. But yeah, because when she first
Speaker 3: arrives or when she's first at home Elouise else, she's
Speaker 3: sad as hell.
Speaker 2: So she's got very tired eyes. And I was like, Sleigh,
Speaker 2: Sleigh recognized game. Leonna, you said it takes you said
Speaker 2: it takes two to be funny. Yeah, me and my demons.
Speaker 2: Sleigh roached. Thanks. I was proud of that one. That
Speaker 2: was fun.
Speaker 3: Yeah, though, when the mom is like, you made me
Speaker 3: laugh because I made myself laugh.
Speaker 2: And you were here, she didn't say anything, I know, but.
Speaker 3: Just by being there they were able to share in laughter,
Speaker 3: and shared laughter is better than just laughing by yourself.
Speaker 3: So that's something you did, not just girly things in parentheses,
Speaker 3: gathering roots for an abortion. The jump scare where the
Speaker 3: three of them emerge from the grass at the same
Speaker 3: time did make me laugh because you could tell that
Speaker 3: the director had just said action. None of the three
Speaker 3: girlies emerged from the grass, that's it. That's like a
Speaker 3: making it lighthearted whatever, just girly things.
Speaker 2: However it is. It is nice this. You know, they're
Speaker 2: helping friend who doesn't want to be pregnant. Yeah, take
Speaker 2: care of that. And it's interesting to see how they
Speaker 2: did it at the time, or tried to or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it was just like helping each other in the
Speaker 2: in the difficult moments.
Speaker 3: It's a movie that's very matter of fact but also
Speaker 3: gentle at the same time, which I appreciate a lot.
Speaker 3: Like none of it felt harsh. It felt very real,
Speaker 3: but it didn't feel like that's life. Yeah, you ugly skank.
Speaker 2: You know. It was like, you're right, notion.
Speaker 3: Sometimes they're like, you ugly skank, This is the real world, yeah,
Speaker 3: stupid bitch. Where this one was like hello girlies. Yeah,
Speaker 3: sometimes you have to hang from the ceiling for ten
Speaker 3: to forty minutes. Yeah, till you pass out. Yeah, and
Speaker 3: then go see the Witch and then do a painting
Speaker 3: of it. And that's being the Girlies. That was the Girly,
Speaker 3: that was the girls in the seventeen.
Speaker 2: Hundreds, and that was girl that was Girls' Nights, The
Speaker 2: Girls get Free the Witch. Uh, Leona, you said, oh,
Speaker 2: to take an edible and have classical music explained to me.
Speaker 3: I love the scene where she's breaking down the Vivaldi piece. Yeah,
Speaker 3: this is the insects starting to sense the storm and
Speaker 3: then the storm breaks and I was.
Speaker 2: Like, oh my god, that's what music is. Somehow it
Speaker 2: being explained to me by a woman. I was like,
Speaker 2: it all makes sense. That's amazing. Oh yeah yeah.
Speaker 3: And I was like god, because I knew then later
Speaker 3: they were going to take some hallucinogens and I was
Speaker 3: really excited for them for that.
Speaker 2: Did you know that, Oh because we saw it before?
Speaker 3: Well yeah, dude to having previously seen the film, and
Speaker 3: I was like, God, it'd be so great to be
Speaker 3: able to lie down and take an edible and have
Speaker 3: somebody explain to me the composition of a piece and
Speaker 3: then play it. But it's somebody that I'm in love
Speaker 3: with and it's not annoying, and it's in France in
Speaker 3: a gorgeous sort of vault ceilinged room with huge windows
Speaker 3: by the coast. I liked these characters. I like spending
Speaker 3: time with them.
Speaker 2: Like these characters.
Speaker 3: I thought they were very well cast too.
Speaker 2: Really great actresses. They were really well cast. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I just thought she had the sharp eyes of an
Speaker 3: artist and the other one had the haunted eyes of
Speaker 3: a subject, some woman who'd just come from the nunnery.
Speaker 2: I've recently been very distressed about children and people having them,
Speaker 2: which I've never had before.
Speaker 3: Welcome recently, Great to have you.
Speaker 2: But when I saw that she had a child later on,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, no, she didn't even want to
Speaker 2: be with a man, and now she was forced to
Speaker 2: a become and be pushed that child out of her.
Speaker 2: That is yeah, And I know this is the experience
Speaker 2: of a lot of people through history, and currently you
Speaker 2: don't even want to be with this person, and now
Speaker 2: you are exploding your body with their it sman, that
Speaker 2: is a horrific evil, and you find the beauty in it. Sure, Yeah,
Speaker 2: maybe you like that kid because it's cute. Maybe, but
Speaker 2: there's something just so like, ah, no.
Speaker 3: No, this is this is not to excuse generations of
Speaker 3: emotional neglect.
Speaker 2: But it makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's understandable that some wealthy women or wealthy people who
Speaker 3: had to give birth then were like, all right, the
Speaker 3: staff can raise this. Yeah, I'd never wanted this in
Speaker 3: the first place. You know, totally, totally, he said, Sophia
Speaker 3: is right, orpheus orpheus is an idiot. Oh yeah, what
Speaker 3: are your thoughts on the orpheus? It always keeps me awful, Well,
Speaker 3: we said, the whole thing of like, the not being
Speaker 3: able to look back thing is always like it just
Speaker 3: distresses me. But yeah, it was dumb though. Honestly, I
Speaker 3: saw their points that they were giving in this. I
Speaker 3: loved their book club that they had that. I loved
Speaker 3: the analysis they were riveted by the story. And then
Speaker 3: I love that idea of like, yeah, well maybe she
Speaker 3: called to him, Maybe she wanted to look back. Maybe
Speaker 3: she didn't fucking care if she died and he lost
Speaker 3: her forever, she wanted to look at him. At the end,
Speaker 3: when they're saying goodbye and she comes down the stairs
Speaker 3: and she says, turn around.
Speaker 2: I love the way that this movie did art. I
Speaker 2: love that it was thematic and meaningful, and then the
Speaker 2: things they said had meaning and that I understood it.
Speaker 3: I really liked that every scene looked like a painting.
Speaker 3: I remember noticing that the first time we watched this,
Speaker 3: and I was it's like, am I am I a
Speaker 3: cinema studies?
Speaker 2: Oh my god. But I think that's part of what
Speaker 2: this movie makes you feel. But in a way that
Speaker 2: is not annoying. It just like brings you into it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's really a nice piece of art.
Speaker 2: Really good, really good. Did you just find out that
Speaker 2: your friend and soon to be lover was actually a
Speaker 2: painter hired by your mom to find a to capture
Speaker 2: a suitor worthy image of you so that you can
Speaker 2: all go to Milan someday after you marry him and
Speaker 2: you'll never see him ever for the whole movie. Girl, same,
Speaker 2: We'll be right back.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Siana, your last note, I totally agree. Okay,
Speaker 3: the end of this movie goes hard. It the end
Speaker 3: of this flat so hard. Oh my god.
Speaker 2: That's the part where she's weaving through the crowd urgently
Speaker 2: after she shows everybody her paintings. First of all these
Speaker 2: beautiful paintings she's painted the male form which they're usually
Speaker 2: not allowed to do. Yeah, yep, I submitted under my
Speaker 2: father's name, but these are all my paintings. And they
Speaker 2: were like, oh, bitch, look at this Orpheus is waving
Speaker 2: goodbye to his beloved.
Speaker 3: Oh we're looking at the back of a man's head.
Speaker 3: I'm so not used to that.
Speaker 2: M And then she goes, ugh, there's a painting here
Speaker 2: of somebody I know. She goes weaving through the get Away,
Speaker 2: get Awa, get Away, and she goes she sees, she
Speaker 2: sees her ex now painted with a daughter, and she's
Speaker 2: like you and then she looks down and it's open
Speaker 2: page twenty eight, which the page that they painted her on.
Speaker 2: That she drew a picture of herself so that Eli
Speaker 2: Eloise Eloise could always remember her. It was really that
Speaker 2: was it. I went fucking oh yeah, yeah dog. I
Speaker 2: also really.
Speaker 3: Unusually respect how French. The end of this movie is
Speaker 3: where it's like, the last time I saw her was
Speaker 3: at an orchestra performance. I saw her, she did not
Speaker 3: see me. And that's the last line of the film
Speaker 3: before this woman hardcore emotes to Vivaldi.
Speaker 2: Great, yeah for good three minutes France. Why not?
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she was so moved by that piece.
Speaker 3: And this is the only time in cinematic history that
Speaker 3: a woman tearing up at a music performance is not annoying.
Speaker 2: It's so true because she's thinking of her her gay
Speaker 2: times with her gay lover. I like this movie so much.
Speaker 2: It's lovely. It's a lovely experience.
Speaker 3: Well, shall we uh prime the canvas of our segment
Speaker 3: Badges and tragis.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is a segment where we give badges for
Speaker 2: brushes comma painting and also bummed out blondes and trages for.
Speaker 3: Turpentine? Is that were they using that in paint at
Speaker 3: this idea?
Speaker 2: Maybe? My first badge is for an all ladies singing party.
Speaker 2: Oh gooday? Love that more? I mean, are you kidding?
Speaker 2: They get to this party and I was like, oh fun.
Speaker 2: And then it wasn't for a while that I realized
Speaker 2: it's only women here, and I was like, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: I wish that existed. And then I was like, Okay,
Speaker 2: that's being the lesbian community. Does that all tell? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it's rare that I get to attend one of those,
Speaker 2: But damn, that's the ways in which I really miss out.
Speaker 2: And uh uh. Anyway, so excited to see that this
Speaker 2: party was indeed all women, and then they just start
Speaker 2: singing and clapping together. They love it, They love that
Speaker 2: Pella group is amazing and it was beautiful. Badge for
Speaker 2: no makeup, girlies, all the girlies and art class with
Speaker 2: no makeup. It's like, yeah, sleigh, badge for how dramatic
Speaker 2: this is. There's just some moments of true drama where
Speaker 2: they're just like, like when when Marianne runs up and
Speaker 2: she's like, I was a fool. I shouldn't settle that.
Speaker 2: I should like next time I wrong someone or I
Speaker 2: feel bad. Instead of being like, hey, I'm sorry about that,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna run up to them on the shore of
Speaker 2: the beach. Yeah, I'm going to grasp them from behind
Speaker 2: and just go I forgive sorry, I'm a fool. I
Speaker 2: was a fool. Forgive me. Ah, that scene is so hard.
Speaker 3: A badge for eating a hunk of bread with cheese
Speaker 3: and wine.
Speaker 2: Hello, Yeah, that's so satisfying. It really is. I have
Speaker 2: a badge for after her procedure with the witch. The
Speaker 2: shot with her and the baby I thought was very
Speaker 2: cool and sweet. It was like one of those kind
Speaker 2: of like wow, that was I'm sorry to be a film, bro,
Speaker 2: but an amazing shot they got it was.
Speaker 3: It was playing during that you Yeah, I watched them
Speaker 3: do the abortion the first time around. I was like,
Speaker 3: you know what, I don't need to see this again.
Speaker 3: And there's a baby come on, okay, well I yeah.
Speaker 3: Two different opinions. A badge for I love the blue
Speaker 3: of this room. Oh that shade of blue that her
Speaker 3: room is that she stays in Maryanne, Oh so beautiful.
Speaker 2: Oh. I'm started to think you probably have more badges
Speaker 2: than I do. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Uh, given that you're started at the witch party, this is.
Speaker 2: My last badge, even though I have many things that
Speaker 2: I loved. Well, actually, I'm gonna give a badge for
Speaker 2: the intimacy scenes. They were just really beautiful, the love,
Speaker 2: the love in this It was just they were very
Speaker 2: This was a romance. I was like, ah, a romance
Speaker 2: and I get it and they're in love. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: I definitely bought their love story and I was. I
Speaker 2: was moved by it. It worked on me this time.
Speaker 3: Badge for badge for the location of this film. Oh
Speaker 3: my gosh, where in the world is this?
Speaker 2: It's so beautiful. My final badge is for the ending.
Speaker 2: The ending goes hard. Yeah, the paintings, her painting life
Speaker 2: is popping off. And then seeing Eloise crying to the
Speaker 2: music is just really beautiful.
Speaker 3: Badge for not sugarcoating how things are going for your boss.
Speaker 3: She gets home from one of their walks and the
Speaker 3: mom is like, how is it going, and she's like,
Speaker 3: I'm out all day and then it's dark and I
Speaker 3: can't see to paint, and.
Speaker 2: I was like, good for you. She was very honest.
Speaker 3: She didn't even try to be like yeah, good, She
Speaker 3: just got straight into it. And I love that directness.
Speaker 3: It was productive, It was what she needed. It was
Speaker 3: official to everybody involved.
Speaker 2: Love that.
Speaker 3: Love that a badge for the sounds of fabric. There's
Speaker 3: no music in this except for well, it's all whatever.
Speaker 3: It's what is it diegetic? Where it's in the thing.
Speaker 2: When they started creepily not creepily, when they started that like,
Speaker 2: oh it was creepy. It was creepy, ghostly hummed before
Speaker 2: you realize they're all singing around the fire, I was like,
Speaker 2: is this the first time we've heard of any score music?
Speaker 2: I know, yeah, I actually really enjoy the lack of
Speaker 2: the score.
Speaker 3: I know it forces you to pay so much attention
Speaker 3: to just like what's going on? So a badge for
Speaker 3: the sounds of fabric because also the fabric was very
Speaker 3: gorgeous on these Yes, these gowns, beautiful gowns, and so
Speaker 3: it was just a fun, folly experience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it really was the sounds of the paint on
Speaker 2: the canvas and everything. And love that. Yes. And my
Speaker 2: final badge is a badge for the ending. I love
Speaker 2: the ending. It's really good. It delivers. Yeah, it's the
Speaker 2: right amount of tragic and satisfying. I know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, totally all of it earned.
Speaker 2: We say it's tragic, but like they were both okay.
Speaker 3: You know, oh they were. They were women in the
Speaker 3: upper class. There were white women in upper class brands.
Speaker 3: Yeah they were. They were totally fine in the grand
Speaker 3: scheme of things. Uh, okay, tra yeah I only have three,
Speaker 3: I only have one, soay, uh trage for I feel
Speaker 3: stupid for not realizing that they'd switched from French to Italian.
Speaker 3: I did not notice until they had to point it
Speaker 3: out that they were FreeFly Italian. Yeah, but I wouldn't
Speaker 3: have noticed if she hadn't been like, oh when did
Speaker 3: you learn Italian?
Speaker 2: Oh? Yeah, no, I wouldn't have either probably just because
Speaker 2: I'm not really Yeah. Uh. I have one trage that
Speaker 2: I wrote, and it was for the ghost part I
Speaker 2: did every now and then always appears as a ghost.
Speaker 2: I will say. By the end, I actually kind of
Speaker 2: got it and was like, that's actually kind of cool.
Speaker 2: These are like her memories and every now and then
Speaker 2: she's remembering the last time she saw her and that
Speaker 2: was sort of her Orpheus moment, perhaps right before the
Speaker 2: last game and some once we got to the end,
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, okay, that's nice. But but at
Speaker 2: the same time, it's kind of like we had a
Speaker 2: good thing going here and you had to put a
Speaker 2: ghost in it.
Speaker 3: That was the thing that annoyed me the most. That's
Speaker 3: my next trage. Yeah. Also, I did not like that
Speaker 3: at all. It was the thing that felt to me
Speaker 3: the most film Broie, Yeah, the things in the film.
Speaker 2: We had a good thing going.
Speaker 3: I was like, I don't need I don't need it
Speaker 3: to be that type of art.
Speaker 2: I loved what it was.
Speaker 3: I loved what it was when it was art for
Speaker 3: the girlies.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: My last trage is a trage for the line being
Speaker 3: free as being alone, and I said out loud I'll
Speaker 3: kill me. Yes, I'm free, cool, sick, awesome, love that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I know, interesting uh conversations around that whole concept
Speaker 2: of independence and hm hmm that's funny though, I guess.
Speaker 2: Shall we move on to our next segment. Yes, let's
Speaker 2: move on to our next segment, which, of course is
Speaker 2: how to pretend you've seen this film. This is for uh,
Speaker 2: our next segment. Yeah, this is for your an art
Speaker 2: class you're learning to do. Uh. It's life drawing, it's
Speaker 2: it's life drawing. Uh.
Speaker 3: What's that like, a still life a nude model?
Speaker 2: Oh? Oh yeah, yeah, figure drawing. Yeah, you were, you
Speaker 2: were at a figure drawing class. And you know you
Speaker 2: don't have to look if you're not comfortable with the nudity.
Speaker 2: In fact, but you are and or from drawing the
Speaker 2: nude model? Break yellos, yells out at you. Hey, hey,
Speaker 2: drawing pretty good?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Why just me? Why just talking? Oh my god? Why
Speaker 2: did you move?
Speaker 3: I had just gotten your elbow angle?
Speaker 2: Correct. You know, I really got into this business because
Speaker 2: there's a movie I saw that I felt was designed
Speaker 2: just for me. It's this movie portrait of a woman
Speaker 2: who's burning up of it, image of a girl who's toasty.
Speaker 2: It's called image of a Hot Girl. You ever see it? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is hot. Hot, hot hot girl dot gif. It
Speaker 2: is hot, yeah girl. I started watching it because I
Speaker 2: thought it was gonna be sort of a hot and
Speaker 2: yet there was some girls kissing, so I think it
Speaker 2: was actually But once I started watching it and realized
Speaker 2: it wasn't what I originally thought it was. Uh, I
Speaker 2: realized it was actually a very artistic film and I
Speaker 2: just need to tell everybody about it, specifically the women
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: And in order to scrub the face off of Orpheus,
Speaker 3: we're gonna give you a few sentences you can say
Speaker 3: to pretend you've seen the film Portrait of a Lady
Speaker 3: on Fire.
Speaker 2: Yes, Orpheus, I've seen Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Speaker 2: As we mentioned, a lot of the shots in the
Speaker 2: movie are framed like a painting, the way that Eloise
Speaker 2: looks at Marianne as if she is a portrait, And
Speaker 2: perhaps this is Marianne's memory sort of framed in these
Speaker 2: artistic conventions, or perhaps it's just cool.
Speaker 3: Yes, Orpheus, I have seen Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Speaker 2: I really resonated.
Speaker 3: I really felt that their description of Vivaldi's storm would
Speaker 3: also work as a description of my vibe when they say,
Speaker 3: not Mary, but it's lively.
Speaker 2: Same. Yeah, that's really funny. I wouldn't say I'm Mary,
Speaker 2: but I'm lively. I am lively. Yes, orpheus, I've seen
Speaker 2: Portrait of a Lady on Fire. That movie is a
Speaker 2: period piece and it will really make you think about,
Speaker 2: truly what people did for fun in the past. That's
Speaker 2: like a big part of what they do is just
Speaker 2: sit in silence together or every now and then play
Speaker 2: cards or go to an event which I have no
Speaker 2: idea how they heard about through the grapevine, heard about
Speaker 2: a party going on in the grass, But it will
Speaker 2: really make you reflect on how strange the past must
Speaker 2: have been. Also, when Sophie hugs Mary and goodbye, I'm like,
Speaker 2: that is literally the last time she's ever gonna see
Speaker 2: that woman. Yeah, that must be a really strange Of course,
Speaker 2: they were into ghost stories and everything. It must have
Speaker 2: been an unsettling time for many reasons.
Speaker 3: Yes, Oh, yes, orpheus, I've seen Portrait of a Lady
Speaker 3: on Fire, starring two leads who have naturally strong eyebrows,
Speaker 3: of which I am envious.
Speaker 2: They were a very nice looking couple, like they look
Speaker 2: like they should be a couple. They look good together. Yes, orpheus,
Speaker 2: I've seen the film Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Speaker 2: The film probably most clearly gets its title from the
Speaker 2: scene where she is, where Eloise is briefly on fire
Speaker 2: at the grass party, the witch party in the grass
Speaker 2: and she really doesn't care because she doesn't know what's
Speaker 2: she doesn't care about what's gonna happen next, doesn't have
Speaker 2: much hope, And honestly, it was a pretty relatable scene
Speaker 2: and I loved it for her, such.
Speaker 3: A mood, just being like, oh, I'm on fire, on fire,
Speaker 3: and you know, some weeks we're all there. Maybe someone
Speaker 3: will tackle me to the ground to help, but whatever.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yes, orpheus, I've seen Portrait of a Lady on Fire.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, Oh you've you've turned your front to me.
Speaker 3: Oh m, do you know what, orpheus, I'm gonna have
Speaker 3: to ask you to turn around. That's that's the view
Speaker 3: that I've looking for.
Speaker 2: Just cheeks, just cheeks. And now that you have, you
Speaker 2: have boxed Orpheus up. Yeah, send him off on the seat.
Speaker 2: We can move on to our next segment. We can
Speaker 2: sail on to our next segment, which of course is, uh,
Speaker 2: should you watch this? Or when me tell you if
Speaker 2: you should watch this film or if you should do
Speaker 2: anything else with your precious, precious time, Leona, what say you? Yes?
Speaker 3: Oh should you watch this? And yes, yes, watch Portrait
Speaker 3: of a Lady on Fire. And also I would recommend,
Speaker 3: if you live in a place where weed is legal,
Speaker 3: that you take an edible and listen to Vivaldi's Four
Speaker 3: Seasons or be nude with your lover in a gorgeous
Speaker 3: room if those things are an option for you, in
Speaker 3: which case, congratulations.
Speaker 2: What would you say? Love that they do drugs in
Speaker 2: this Also, that's so fun. I know that moment where
Speaker 2: they're just kind of like, we're not doing anything today,
Speaker 2: do you want to like get high?
Speaker 3: I've never been more envious of two people in a
Speaker 3: film ever.
Speaker 2: It's like they have nothing to do. Mom's not home.
Speaker 2: Just good day on the water. Amazing, that's a dream day.
Speaker 2: I would say, Yeah, honestly, it's a good movie. Was
Speaker 2: your letterbox review? Yeah? Good movie, good movie? Why should
Speaker 2: you watch this? And would be uh, yeah, you can
Speaker 2: totally watch this movie. It scratches the itch. And also yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean, if you wanted to look at any paintings,
Speaker 2: it just made me kind of want to draw, go draw,
Speaker 2: go draw. I wish I knew more lady painters. I
Speaker 2: only know Mary Cassatt, Marie Cassot. Okay, there's a lot
Speaker 2: of paintings of dogs, so yes, hello, but uh yeah,
Speaker 2: go go draw maybe with your love raw. But also
Speaker 2: you don't need to do that.
Speaker 3: Hmm, yeah, Seanna, what would you rate the film Portrait
Speaker 3: of a Lady on Fire?
Speaker 2: M hmm, what would you rate it? Okay?
Speaker 3: I would give this film five portraits out of five.
Speaker 3: I love it. It's got the stuff that I want. If
Speaker 3: I'm going to be sat down somewhere for two hours,
Speaker 3: I get to look at beautiful nature scenes, some gorgeous
Speaker 3: Vivaldi every now and again, swishing gowns, women, the language French,
Speaker 3: the language friends, a period piece.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, I didn't. I wasn't sure. I don't know
Speaker 2: why I didn't feel confident about this myself. But I also.
Speaker 3: Couldn't give it five punks of bread out of five?
Speaker 2: Yes? What did you did you give it? What was
Speaker 2: your item? Portraits? Okay, great, five hunks of bread out
Speaker 2: of five, just because it's like, yeah, checked off all
Speaker 2: the boxes. It's good.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, good, great, this is what a film should be.
Speaker 2: It was lovely. It was a lovely time. Hm hm wow.
Speaker 2: Well we've watched the film again. Portrait of Lady on
Speaker 2: Fire went last time. We were like, yeah, it was good.
Speaker 2: I loved it. Yeah, that was excellent. I'm really glad.
Speaker 3: I said there much to laugh about. No, it was
Speaker 3: just a beautiful piece about and Josbians who are having
Speaker 3: a hard time seeing things at night.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have a problem with that.
Speaker 3: What it's no wonder people went blind at such young ages.
Speaker 3: It was so hard to see any Thank you everybody
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Speaker 3: All right, why'd you give me the one that I
Speaker 3: especially when?
Speaker 2: Okay, alright, let's do it the other way. You start
Speaker 2: Merci