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Speaker 1: I watched MTV Jams Countdown every day. I wrote to Tyrese.

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Speaker 2: He wrote me back, what do you say to Tyrese?

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Speaker 1: I told him what I thought were the best parts

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Speaker 2: We're lucky to get to do this. But sometimes I

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Speaker 2: will see Mike has booked somebody and I'm like, dang,

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Speaker 2: that's pretty exciting.

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Speaker 3: That's pretty cool.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And sometimes I get excited after I've done the

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Speaker 2: interview because I don't know the person. But with Amanda Shires,

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Speaker 2: I didn't know her, and I was still excited because

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Speaker 2: she's awesome. And then she left and I was like, dang,

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Speaker 2: like manage, I was awesome. I mean like just affirmed that,

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Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, so super cool. Amanda Shire. She got

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Speaker 2: an album called Loving You. It's a collaborative album recorded

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Speaker 2: with the late Bobby Nelson, recorded before Bobby's passing, which

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Speaker 2: was in March of twenty twenty two. It's just a

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Speaker 2: reflection of the life and the music of Bobby Nelson

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Speaker 2: and Bobby Nelson is also now is Willie Nelson's sister

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Speaker 2: that obviously you know that, yeah, yeah, ok.

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Speaker 1: Sure.

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Speaker 2: Hooks from the album, and here's a couple of clips

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Speaker 2: here always on my mind. You reason man like Willy

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Speaker 2: has even said before with al Bobby, he probably wouldn't

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Speaker 2: Here's Summertime featuring Willie so Time. Summer Time, Willy is

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Speaker 2: so Amanda Shires has got that eye should check it out.

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Speaker 2: Amanda grew up in Loving, Texas. About ten years old,

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Speaker 2: she learned to play the fiddle. She talks about that,

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Speaker 2: oh pawn shop. She played with a bunch of old dudes,

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Speaker 2: like legendary old dudes. But as a fifteen year old

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Speaker 2: and you're playing with the Texas playboys in there, and

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Speaker 2: if you're fifteen and people are sixty, seventy and eighty,

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Speaker 2: that's a lot older than if you're forty or fifty

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Speaker 2: playing with somebody who's sixty seven or eighty. It's funny

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Speaker 2: when she says about him. Later she got her master's degree,

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Speaker 2: you know, she moved to Nashville. Tells that story something

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Speaker 2: we didn't mention, and it's just a note here, and

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Speaker 2: that didn't purposefully not mention it. But there was really

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Speaker 2: no reason to bring it up, because it's not the

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Speaker 2: reason we had her on, but I'm big Jason Isbell

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Speaker 2: fan too. I don't think we ever mentioned that never

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Speaker 2: married Jasonisbell in this or The High Woman. You're right,

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Speaker 2: we didn't. We didn't. I didn't avoid it. I was

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Speaker 2: just so interested in like her story and not her

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Speaker 2: group or her husband. I'd love to have Jason on.

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Speaker 2: I mean that would be awesome, but yeah, I definitely

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Speaker 2: wasn't about that. I was thinking about that too. After

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure if Jane. I think Jason is Ball

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Speaker 2: is awesome, and I think sometimes we will tweet back

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Speaker 2: and forth with each other. I don't know if when

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Speaker 2: I first moved here ever got into like a Twitter

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Speaker 2: fight with him. That's what I was going to read,

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Speaker 2: because I think he's awesome and I have nothing but

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Speaker 2: respect and even am a fan. And I just wonder

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Speaker 2: when I came to town, if I, cause you now, was

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Speaker 2: anybody who didn't I won't say, understand anybody who thought

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Speaker 2: that I wasn't right for being here. I just would

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Speaker 2: lash out, swing, punch kick. I hope I didn't, but

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Speaker 3: We can find out we can.

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Speaker 2: We can. I'm like tweeted, I've been like, hey man,

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Speaker 2: I heard you do this interview. It was awesome and

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Speaker 2: he always tweets back in his nice she brought him

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Speaker 2: up afterwards, So yeah, and that would be an interesting thing.

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Speaker 2: I hope I didn't anyway. Moving on, Yeah, the founder

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Speaker 2: of The High Woman and she was awesome. Follow her

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Speaker 2: Amanda Pearl Shires on Instagram, TikTok and check out the

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Speaker 2: record loving you and here she is, Amanda Shires. Man,

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Speaker 2: it's really good to meet you. I don't think we've

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Speaker 4: We met a little bit in passing. It's not long

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Speaker 4: enough for you to make any impressions.

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Speaker 2: Correct, I don't make much impression anyway.

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Speaker 4: I don't either.

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Speaker 2: I'm always people with me. People are always surprised at

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Speaker 1: No, that makes sense. I think I'm kind of like that.

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Speaker 1: W's your birthday?

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Speaker 3: April's birthday?

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Speaker 1: March?

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Speaker 1: I'm piss but I thought it was a hermit.

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Speaker 2: I always find that those are And are you astrology

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Speaker 1: I just I don't subscribe to all of it one hundred,

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Speaker 2: Do you do like I'm an eight on?

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Speaker 3: I don't know. I forgot what the test is called.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what's that called mineagram?

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Speaker 1: I would have to go back through it, but Brandy

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Speaker 2: Oh you got the Harry Potter. Yeah. Did you find

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Speaker 2: yourself when you were younger? I hate to say a

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Speaker 2: But even but even as a kid, like I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: As a second grader, I don't remember. We have to

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Speaker 2: Once you got to be a preteen, yeah, when did

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Speaker 2: And so why the violin? That seems to be one

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Speaker 1: I just saw it. I don't really I don't believe

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Speaker 2: So you're at the pawn shop and you know they're

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Speaker 2: there are all the versions of your fiddle. So you

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Speaker 1: No, my dad we had a great upbringing is you know,

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Speaker 2: So you weren't even looking for an instrument.

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Speaker 1: No, I really just wanted sweet tarts from the candy store.

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Speaker 1: For forty five minutes of convincing, and it's in the store,

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Speaker 1: Frankie McCord and I was learning from Lanny who was

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Speaker 2: So what I hear though, was a kid who got

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Speaker 2: When I was ten eleven years old and I was

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Speaker 2: I had to kind of set a goal and go

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Speaker 2: get it right. Yeah, but you had a fiddle, you

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Speaker 2: generally how you were as a kid and a young adult,

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Speaker 1: Since you put it to me, and I haven't been

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Speaker 1: asked that question, yeah, I guess going forward, you never

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Speaker 1: but I tend to go follow my yeah, my compass.

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Speaker 2: I guess I would just think ninety nine out of

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Speaker 4: No, no, right, there's no I didn't even know if

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Speaker 2: And they still wanted to do it that far. That's

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Speaker 1: That one incident in a pawn shop exactly.

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Speaker 2: It makes me almost feel like it was some something

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Speaker 1: That's incredible. My friend Ricky Binkley might be interested in

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Speaker 1: Yep, but I wasn't sure how I graduated high school

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Speaker 2: That's like stealing a doctor's pad in the prescriptions. You know, people,

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Speaker 2: Well, but here's the difference. You were actually, I'm assuming

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Speaker 4: No, I was just getting stoned back then.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what their main point was. So I tried

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Speaker 1: But then you get used to not I like being goofy.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, just so I could go find the chill that

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Speaker 2: I don't know to change of personality fundamentally.

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Speaker 1: You know how sometimes you just if you smoke some weed,

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Speaker 2: That's why I need to smoke weed.

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Speaker 1: Yeah exactly. I mean I'm not telling you to do that,

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Speaker 2: So I do want to come back to Lubbock in

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Speaker 2: is that right?

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Speaker 2: So you didn't do it like during and it wasn't

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Speaker 4: She was tough, you know, she was tough and funny and.

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Speaker 1: You know how you can play with some people and

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Speaker 2: making it different though.

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Speaker 1: She got her kids taken away for playing in a band,

443
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Speaker 1: and she didn't smoke.

444
00:19:21,480 --> 00:19:22,600
Speaker 4: Weed or drink or anything.

445
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Speaker 3: What was that story?

446
00:19:24,560 --> 00:19:29,119
Speaker 1: Well, she was playing in places that weren't churches, in

447
00:19:29,600 --> 00:19:32,920
Speaker 1: bars and stuff, and they called her an unfit mother

448
00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:35,119
Speaker 1: and poor and all this kind of stuff.

449
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Speaker 4: I mean the seventies or that late. I don't know.

450
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Speaker 1: I'm guessing she's not a great hot time out here,

451
00:19:41,440 --> 00:19:43,120
Speaker 1: but I mean, women couldn't even have a credit card

452
00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:47,439
Speaker 1: and till the seventies. But so she quit playing places

453
00:19:47,440 --> 00:19:49,960
Speaker 1: that served alcohol, went back and got a business degree,

454
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Speaker 1: then started working for the Hamm and B three company,

455
00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:57,679
Speaker 1: modeling those demo and those pianos, and eventually got her

456
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Speaker 1: kids back, and then the Wexler years rejoined Willie Nelson,

457
00:20:02,640 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 1: and you know, I do you know, Willy would have

458
00:20:05,240 --> 00:20:08,080
Speaker 1: been Willy no matter what. But Willy wouldn't have been

459
00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 1: the same Willie had Bobby not came back to play

460
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Speaker 1: with him, because you know.

461
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Speaker 4: He learned a lot about music from her.

462
00:20:14,400 --> 00:20:17,439
Speaker 1: Anyway, so she had all that happened, and then you know,

463
00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:23,520
Speaker 1: random not random, various abuses along the way, and managed

464
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Speaker 1: to still stay in a life of music and then

465
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Speaker 1: return to the life and music that she wanted, which

466
00:20:28,359 --> 00:20:31,840
Speaker 1: was to be a sideman and play music.

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Speaker 6: You know, let's take a quick pause for a message

468
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Speaker 2: What is your relationship like right now with music? You're

470
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,000
Speaker 2: going out of seasons of loving it and for different reasons.

471
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Speaker 4: No, I really love music a whole lot.

472
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Speaker 1: I just I'm aware of the of the people around

473
00:20:58,440 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: it that you know a little bit more uh, open

474
00:21:01,040 --> 00:21:05,760
Speaker 1: to people's manipulations and motives for sure, But the music, No,

475
00:21:05,920 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 1: I love that to my core.

476
00:21:07,680 --> 00:21:09,200
Speaker 2: So if I said what is your relationship with the

477
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,840
Speaker 2: music industry, that would be a different answer.

478
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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I would say I would say, I don't

479
00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:16,919
Speaker 1: really have much of one with the music industry, but

480
00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,359
Speaker 1: I'd like to sit down and figure out kind of

481
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Speaker 1: how many dinners I need to buy.

482
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Speaker 2: When you grow up in Lubbock, Texas, are there any

483
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:28,080
Speaker 2: shows that come through Lubbock that you can remember going

484
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:32,679
Speaker 2: to and seeing it in person and going, dang, that's awesome.

485
00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:37,400
Speaker 1: Snoop Dogg, Merle Haggard not together. No, No, that would

486
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Speaker 1: have been Black Street came with well maybe it's Black

487
00:21:42,119 --> 00:21:45,440
Speaker 1: Street and New Addition came first, and then Snoop Dogg

488
00:21:45,480 --> 00:21:47,360
Speaker 1: came and everybody passed out because it was in the

489
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Speaker 1: fairgrounds and there's like no ventilation and it was hot.

490
00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,040
Speaker 1: And then yeah, Merle Haggard, I grew up, you know,

491
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Speaker 1: seeing Lloyd Main's play a lot because he was in

492
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Speaker 1: Lubbock in the flat Landers, of course, and I mean

493
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Speaker 1: all kinds of fulk.

494
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Speaker 2: The Texas country scene. I lived in Austin for twelve years,

495
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Speaker 2: so very familiar with Texas and Texas country scene. Were

496
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Speaker 2: those guys traveling through Lubbock a lot? Were you going

497
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Speaker 2: to any of those?

498
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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, I didn't go really to the Pat Greens

499
00:22:16,640 --> 00:22:19,240
Speaker 1: and all that. I was working with like an indie,

500
00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,040
Speaker 1: an indie group for store Cowboys. And then we'd bring

501
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Speaker 1: shows to Lubbock, Like we'd bring shows to like LuSE

502
00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:31,520
Speaker 1: Arrow and Corey Brandon, a bunch of like Cinromatic, all

503
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Speaker 1: that kind of stuff, bring shows to Lubbock that were,

504
00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:35,200
Speaker 1: you know, just different kinds of.

505
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Speaker 2: Music eclectic either Yeah. Yeah. Where you started touring at

506
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,720
Speaker 2: fifteen or so, is that right? Yeah?

507
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Speaker 1: I mean I started getting paid around and then, but

508
00:22:44,200 --> 00:22:47,600
Speaker 1: I would go and play shows and learn how to

509
00:22:47,640 --> 00:22:50,000
Speaker 1: do it along the road all the way. Yeah.

510
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Speaker 2: And what'd your parents think about that? Oh?

511
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Speaker 1: They thought it was fine. All the Texas playboys at

512
00:22:54,040 --> 00:22:56,840
Speaker 1: this point were in their seventies and they were there.

513
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Speaker 1: Who I compare everybody to, you know, any any kind

514
00:22:59,920 --> 00:23:03,000
Speaker 1: of cat and around they did, Uh, they did it

515
00:23:03,040 --> 00:23:05,479
Speaker 1: in the privacy of their own hotel rooms. And I

516
00:23:05,520 --> 00:23:07,639
Speaker 1: only happened to notice that happened when I was on

517
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Speaker 1: my way to a hotel lobby once and I saw

518
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Speaker 1: one of the gentlemen escorting a lady through her car,

519
00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,160
Speaker 1: and I was like, interesting but very classy, and at

520
00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:20,240
Speaker 1: the same time, you know, I just showed up, and

521
00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:22,760
Speaker 1: you know, we had fun. We ate dinner, I got

522
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,919
Speaker 1: seven desserts at the end of every night, and we

523
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Speaker 1: did little workshops and fiddle camps and.

524
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Speaker 4: It was a lot of fun. It was a lot

525
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Speaker 4: of fun.

526
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Speaker 1: Tommy also was the best so far, the best boss

527
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Speaker 1: I've ever had.

528
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Speaker 2: When you go to college and you decided to go

529
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Speaker 2: to college, you went to Swanee. Oh yeah for my

530
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Speaker 2: graduate Okay, what'd you where? Did you go on to

531
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Speaker 2: Grid South Plains and then Texas Tech? You went to Tech?

532
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

533
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Speaker 2: So what was the idea behind going to college? Was

534
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: it to keep learning music? Was it to have a

535
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Speaker 2: degree just in case?

536
00:23:50,600 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, moms did have a fallback plan.

537
00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:54,000
Speaker 2: What was that? What was the degree in?

538
00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:57,439
Speaker 1: Well, I was two credits or two maybe it was

539
00:23:57,440 --> 00:24:00,399
Speaker 1: two semesters away from a Master's of archea exture in

540
00:24:00,400 --> 00:24:03,320
Speaker 1: my undergraduate degree and I bailed so I could just

541
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Speaker 1: get a city planning type thing because I wanted to

542
00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,480
Speaker 1: play rock and roll music, going tour more.

543
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Speaker 2: And so, what do you mean you bailed so you

544
00:24:10,520 --> 00:24:11,960
Speaker 2: took it. I don't understand what we just that city

545
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Speaker 2: planning is that I think I know. So I switched.

546
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Speaker 1: So I had two semesters left of this other major degree,

547
00:24:17,119 --> 00:24:19,280
Speaker 1: and I was like, I'm not doing that. And I

548
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:21,440
Speaker 1: was like, I talked to the advisors, like, what's the

549
00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: quickest way out of here? Said, you know, geography, city planning,

550
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,280
Speaker 1: go that way, and I'm like, cool, I'll do that.

551
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Speaker 3: And did you like it at all?

552
00:24:28,760 --> 00:24:29,160
Speaker 4: School?

553
00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:29,680
Speaker 1: Uh?

554
00:24:29,760 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 3: City planning architecture?

555
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:31,320
Speaker 2: Did you like?

556
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Speaker 5: No?

557
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Speaker 1: I liked it, Yeah, I liked I like buildings, and

558
00:24:34,119 --> 00:24:37,480
Speaker 1: I like geography. I like knowing where I am. Not

559
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Speaker 1: to the extent I want to be doing autocat. That

560
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Speaker 1: shit sucks.

561
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Speaker 4: I'm probably not sorry.

562
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Speaker 2: Well I forgot.

563
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Speaker 1: We were not just talking like each other to each other.

564
00:24:48,119 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 2: Anything that gets don't worry about it. Just talk however

565
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Speaker 2: you want.

566
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Speaker 1: I like to lie and say it means ship high

567
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Speaker 1: in transit.

568
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Speaker 3: What is autocat?

569
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:56,640
Speaker 2: Oh, that's a.

570
00:24:56,600 --> 00:25:00,240
Speaker 1: Program that you build homes and things, like, do you

571
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:03,120
Speaker 1: ever play the game? No, but it's it's as much

572
00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 1: like a video game. Yes, yeah, you do.

573
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:07,520
Speaker 3: You use that at all?

574
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Speaker 2: Now? At home?

575
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 1: No?

576
00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:09,760
Speaker 2: Whenever? You nothing.

577
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,040
Speaker 3: No renovation. No, I don't.

578
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,639
Speaker 1: Know who to call to get a renovation. I need

579
00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:16,480
Speaker 1: a bigger closet. I've got an Americana sized closet. And

580
00:25:16,680 --> 00:25:18,000
Speaker 1: we have way too many shoes.

581
00:25:18,400 --> 00:25:21,200
Speaker 2: That's our problem too, really is the shoes. Yeah? I

582
00:25:21,240 --> 00:25:24,000
Speaker 2: love shoes, so do I, and when both because my

583
00:25:24,000 --> 00:25:26,280
Speaker 2: wife likes shoes, I probably have more shoes with my wife.

584
00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,560
Speaker 2: When you both love shoes, one loving shoes, okay, but

585
00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:32,119
Speaker 2: when you both do it, it just it's flooded of shoes.

586
00:25:32,440 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 4: Where are you sneakers?

587
00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 2: Or? Yeah?

588
00:25:33,920 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: Awesome?

589
00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 2: Yeah?

590
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,520
Speaker 1: And I did you see the shoe surgeon ones, I so.

591
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Speaker 3: Listen to this.

592
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Speaker 2: Okay, you brought up the shoe surgeon because I'm a

593
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Speaker 2: massive shoe guy.

594
00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:43,960
Speaker 3: I never had shoes.

595
00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,320
Speaker 2: When I first met m my first real money, I

596
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:47,359
Speaker 2: bought a pair of Jordan's and I was like, this

597
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:48,200
Speaker 2: is the coolest thing ever.

598
00:25:48,280 --> 00:25:51,360
Speaker 1: Exactly. You would like fair Gamo's story than that documentary

599
00:25:52,280 --> 00:25:54,160
Speaker 1: story of on Shoes?

600
00:25:54,440 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 2: No? On what platform? U?

601
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:57,720
Speaker 4: Oh? Well, maybe Netflix?

602
00:25:57,840 --> 00:26:01,480
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I have some. I have some shoe surgeon shoes,

603
00:26:01,840 --> 00:26:03,960
Speaker 2: have a couple of pair which ones. Well, so I

604
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:08,960
Speaker 2: have the I have the Pizza Hut shoes that are

605
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:11,720
Speaker 2: I think there's like they put like twenty pair he

606
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 2: did on period all And I have size elevens that

607
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:19,200
Speaker 2: are universal sized and they're worth thousands and thousand, thousands

608
00:26:19,200 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 2: of dollars. But I didn't buy them for that. I

609
00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 2: got them as a gift when Pizza h put them out.

610
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:23,679
Speaker 2: They have GPS in them, and we looked them up

611
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 2: and one site's on them for like a million bucks.

612
00:26:25,600 --> 00:26:28,000
Speaker 2: Oh my god, exactly. I didn't pay that.

613
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 4: That's an investment. Do we have them insured?

614
00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,480
Speaker 2: They are? Well, here's the thing we do not.

615
00:26:32,920 --> 00:26:35,040
Speaker 4: Can I have them and buy me a new closet?

616
00:26:35,119 --> 00:26:35,720
Speaker 2: You cant?

617
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:36,720
Speaker 5: So?

618
00:26:36,960 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I love shoes, big sneaker head, Why you and shoes?

619
00:26:40,080 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 2: Where did that come from?

620
00:26:41,400 --> 00:26:43,440
Speaker 4: I think that's what happens when we all come from nothing.

621
00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:44,080
Speaker 4: We like shoes.

622
00:26:44,119 --> 00:26:46,000
Speaker 1: You know, your kid, you're supposed to keep your shoes clean,

623
00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:47,119
Speaker 1: You're suposed to have nice shoes.

624
00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:49,040
Speaker 4: I don't know. I haven't thought about it too hard.

625
00:26:49,080 --> 00:26:51,440
Speaker 3: But is it fancy boots too? Do you like boots,

626
00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:52,080
Speaker 3: fancy boots.

627
00:26:52,320 --> 00:26:56,400
Speaker 1: I like all the shoes, I mean shoes and boots

628
00:26:56,440 --> 00:26:57,440
Speaker 1: and breast.

629
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Speaker 2: Do you have a favorite I love red? You do

630
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 2: shoes everything, but yes, red shoes especially. I have a

631
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:08,480
Speaker 2: whole section of red shoes and red boots.

632
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 3: And I'll get them specially made too, like I'm a

633
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 3: big nerd.

634
00:27:10,600 --> 00:27:12,879
Speaker 2: Do you have a special like a theme of your

635
00:27:12,920 --> 00:27:16,200
Speaker 2: a favorite theme in any sort of footwear apparel.

636
00:27:17,200 --> 00:27:20,240
Speaker 1: I like my shoes very tall because I'm so very

637
00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:23,359
Speaker 1: short I'm almost five three. Like heels, I like platforms.

638
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:26,080
Speaker 1: I like heels. I like even the you know, the

639
00:27:26,160 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: tall tennis shoes that are tall. And then I've got

640
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:30,360
Speaker 1: some tisshoes heels.

641
00:27:30,040 --> 00:27:32,560
Speaker 2: Like you know my favorites. We can nerd out for

642
00:27:32,600 --> 00:27:34,960
Speaker 2: second shoes because I could do do shoes all day.

643
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 2: And they're not the most dramatic. But just an example here,

644
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:40,680
Speaker 2: these are These are New Balance. Those are pretty and

645
00:27:40,720 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 2: I never really I always thought a New Balance were

646
00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,800
Speaker 2: kind of lame until they started to actually not be lame,

647
00:27:45,920 --> 00:27:48,160
Speaker 2: meaning they started to color them up a little bit

648
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 2: and they started to make them a little trendy here.

649
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 2: But then they started to know they were cool and

650
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 2: they started jacking the prices up a lot too, and now.

651
00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:54,160
Speaker 3: I think they're the best.

652
00:27:54,160 --> 00:27:57,720
Speaker 2: It's the best general universal tennis shoe.

653
00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,200
Speaker 1: Yep, it's really good.

654
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,679
Speaker 2: It used to be a dida, used to used for me,

655
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: used to be the big winner there. But now and

656
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,680
Speaker 2: maybe you just getting older too, but I don't think so.

657
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:07,160
Speaker 2: I think these new bounds are just really cool.

658
00:28:07,200 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: I think if you have been in the shoe game

659
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: for a minute, you know what the hell you're talking about.

660
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,680
Speaker 2: Well, I've been in for a solid minute. Yeah, I'm

661
00:28:13,680 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 2: pretty in. I'm pretty deep.

662
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:18,080
Speaker 1: Yeah. I like it too when people go do Western

663
00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: stuff that you know, don't spend a whole lot of

664
00:28:21,280 --> 00:28:24,560
Speaker 1: time doing Western stuff like these. These are some interesting

665
00:28:24,600 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 1: plays on western wild way.

666
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:32,360
Speaker 2: So that looks like a traditional with some sort of netting.

667
00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 2: Was that part of the shoes that's my sock? Okay?

668
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 2: Then that looks like it looks like a hybrid, like

669
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 2: a traditional and a cowboy.

670
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it's like not But I like that because

671
00:28:42,760 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 1: it doesn't go well, it doesn't do the thing with

672
00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:47,080
Speaker 1: your pants where it make message your pants line.

673
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,200
Speaker 2: I hate shoes that aren't comfortable, like I like expensive shoes. Fine,

674
00:28:50,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: but if they're not comfortable. I will not be a

675
00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,440
Speaker 2: slave to shoe fashion at expense for my feet rub

676
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:57,600
Speaker 2: and raw, exactly.

677
00:28:57,680 --> 00:28:59,640
Speaker 1: I tell people when they ask me about it, I say,

678
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:01,880
Speaker 1: by my half size too big there when you're walking

679
00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: around on them and your feet swell, didn't they fit?

680
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 2: Award shows are the worst because they'll go, Okay, here

681
00:29:06,360 --> 00:29:09,480
Speaker 2: are the shoes you're going to wear, and I'm like, okay,

682
00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:11,320
Speaker 2: it looks good with it, but I know I'm gonna

683
00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: have blisters, and they're like, suck it up.

684
00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:14,720
Speaker 3: They're giving you this whole wardrobe for free.

685
00:29:14,600 --> 00:29:15,760
Speaker 2: And what is it?

686
00:29:15,760 --> 00:29:16,920
Speaker 4: If it doesn't feel good.

687
00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:17,479
Speaker 2: Then I'm miserable.

688
00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,320
Speaker 1: We should we should talk about this on the award show. Wow,

689
00:29:23,480 --> 00:29:24,880
Speaker 1: like go off script and talk about this.

690
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:31,840
Speaker 2: Shows they drag us off and blame me somehow. So

691
00:29:32,000 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 2: you're playing, you're in college, you're getting a fallback.

692
00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 1: I feel like we're not talking enough about you. No,

693
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: this is not at all okay.

694
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: I mean I'm over me. I do me all the time,

695
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: so I would talk about me none if possible. But

696
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,400
Speaker 2: I'll tell you here's something about me. I wear an

697
00:29:49,400 --> 00:29:51,840
Speaker 2: Ara ring now, and this Ora ring tells me how

698
00:29:51,880 --> 00:29:55,040
Speaker 2: much I sleep at night. Yeah, and I don't sleep

699
00:29:55,120 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 2: very much. But it also tells me my score on

700
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:01,000
Speaker 2: how ready I am for the day and the last

701
00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:02,720
Speaker 2: five nights I've had like in the sixties, which is

702
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:05,040
Speaker 2: terrible because one hundred is perfect. I've never got in

703
00:30:05,040 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 2: the eighties. My wife can get in the eighties. I've

704
00:30:06,920 --> 00:30:08,719
Speaker 2: been at like sixty two at the elevated heart rate

705
00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:09,920
Speaker 2: for like five nights in a row.

706
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:12,160
Speaker 3: I don't know why I think any to smoke weed.

707
00:30:13,280 --> 00:30:16,200
Speaker 2: Have you checked your blood pressure, not gone to the

708
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: doctor or anything. Yeah, but it makes me think like

709
00:30:18,280 --> 00:30:20,160
Speaker 2: I should smoke weed because then I could be relaxed.

710
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,320
Speaker 1: I had something like that happened a long time ago.

711
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: Turned out to eat a blood pressure medicine.

712
00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:26,200
Speaker 2: Well, now you're get me freaked ou about my blood pressure.

713
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:29,720
Speaker 2: I'm no doctor. I'm a fiddle player. Were you playing

714
00:30:29,760 --> 00:30:32,920
Speaker 2: in college, Yeah, while you were also studying. Were you

715
00:30:32,960 --> 00:30:34,640
Speaker 2: playing to the point where it's affecting your grades?

716
00:30:35,080 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 4: Yeah? I still got out.

717
00:30:37,280 --> 00:30:37,520
Speaker 2: Yeah.

718
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:38,320
Speaker 1: Yeah.

719
00:30:38,480 --> 00:30:40,960
Speaker 2: Were you playing to the point of you were getting

720
00:30:41,640 --> 00:30:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm not going to say so good, but you were

721
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 2: getting a lot better and being recognized that you knew

722
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 2: now that you have the fallback. It didn't matter you're

723
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: STI working to suit professionally.

724
00:30:51,000 --> 00:30:52,840
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I never wanted.

725
00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: I didn't really want to finish that degree, but I

726
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:56,320
Speaker 1: wanted because I want to go on the road. And

727
00:30:57,520 --> 00:31:00,480
Speaker 1: I was, you know, still side man, and I was

728
00:31:00,920 --> 00:31:03,760
Speaker 1: haven't had a comfortable living doing that?

729
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,080
Speaker 4: You know?

730
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 2: Was it always in the in your cards to be

731
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:07,400
Speaker 2: a side person?

732
00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,800
Speaker 1: Well? See, because I started so young, I thought that

733
00:31:11,800 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: that's what I was gonna want to do until I

734
00:31:13,720 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: fell in love with words.

735
00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 4: And that happened in part.

736
00:31:17,840 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: I made this little fiddle record that's just mainly all

737
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 1: fiddle tunes, and I made it because it takes as playboys.

738
00:31:24,040 --> 00:31:26,320
Speaker 1: They each individually had these little records they made of

739
00:31:26,320 --> 00:31:29,920
Speaker 1: them their own selves, playing themselves, play in their tunes

740
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:33,080
Speaker 1: to sell to supplement the income at income at the table.

741
00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 1: And so I did that too, because who doesn't want

742
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,240
Speaker 1: extra fifteen dollars anyway? So I did that and then

743
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,440
Speaker 1: I you know, I sing harmony too at that point

744
00:31:43,520 --> 00:31:47,120
Speaker 1: and wanted to somehow feature that. It turns out that

745
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 1: you had to pay people if you sing their songs.

746
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 1: So I just wrote a couple and threw them on

747
00:31:51,280 --> 00:31:55,200
Speaker 1: there and was playing with Billy Joe Shaver, And because

748
00:31:55,200 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: I didn't know to ask that you're supposed to ask

749
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,040
Speaker 1: before you set your CDs up on the merchant table.

750
00:31:59,080 --> 00:32:00,960
Speaker 1: There's like nobody teaches do what you're supposed to do.

751
00:32:01,840 --> 00:32:03,480
Speaker 1: I just had him and I was showed up for

752
00:32:03,520 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 1: the show and I put him out there. And after

753
00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: one of the shows he noticed, he was like, what

754
00:32:07,520 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 1: is this. I was like, Oh, that's my little fiddle record.

755
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: He was like, you didn't you didn't ask to put

756
00:32:11,680 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: that up there. I was like, oh, I didn't know.

757
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,840
Speaker 1: I had to. And then so the whole drive we

758
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 1: had to listen to it. And this Billy Joe Shaver,

759
00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,160
Speaker 1: if you've never met him, is a wild man, a

760
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: wonderful human but also very wild.

761
00:32:21,160 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: Listen to what your record? Yeah, he wanted to listen

762
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,720
Speaker 2: to with you. Get a listened together.

763
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:27,240
Speaker 4: Yeah, I wrote in his car with him.

764
00:32:27,440 --> 00:32:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. This is the man that is famous, famous for

765
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: making whale and do right by his word what he

766
00:32:37,880 --> 00:32:39,560
Speaker 1: said he was going to do anyway.

767
00:32:39,400 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 2: Outlaw, but he got only a couple of fingers of

768
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: all shooting is a lot Honckey talk.

769
00:32:43,840 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: Heroes is almost all written by him, all that stuff.

770
00:32:45,920 --> 00:32:50,400
Speaker 1: But he also before he died he shot a man

771
00:32:50,440 --> 00:32:53,360
Speaker 1: in the face, like like two years before. Anyway, anyway,

772
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:55,480
Speaker 1: why did I go there? Because he's a wild man.

773
00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:58,000
Speaker 1: So I was a little bit nervous in the car

774
00:32:58,040 --> 00:32:59,640
Speaker 1: because he has a gun in his boot and I'm

775
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,160
Speaker 1: not lying, and to like those speed detectors, one on

776
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:08,960
Speaker 1: each side for no one was like the radio yeah crazy. Meanwhile,

777
00:33:09,000 --> 00:33:11,720
Speaker 1: he hits an orange and white like road cone and

778
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:14,840
Speaker 1: it's like not road code barrel. Anyway, so we listened

779
00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 1: to it and he said you need you know what

780
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:19,400
Speaker 1: you need to do. And I was like, what, you

781
00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 1: need to move to Nashville. You're clear you're going to

782
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,360
Speaker 1: be a songwriter. I was like, no, I don't want

783
00:33:23,400 --> 00:33:25,920
Speaker 1: to be fired. I love my job Billy Joe, and

784
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 1: he said, he said, no, no, no, you got to

785
00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,240
Speaker 1: go be a songwriter. I was like, no, I really

786
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 1: love playing the fiddle with you, sir. I feel like

787
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: I'm doing a great job. I will not put my

788
00:33:35,120 --> 00:33:38,320
Speaker 1: CD out anymore. And he's like goes on and on

789
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 1: and then anyway, I wasn't getting fired.

790
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: But then a year later I did pack up.

791
00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: All my and move to Nashville to pursue my dream

792
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:47,560
Speaker 1: of being a waitress.

793
00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:53,560
Speaker 2: What happened to make you actually like, uh, gun in

794
00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:55,959
Speaker 2: the boot pulled the trigger to actually move to Nashville

795
00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:57,760
Speaker 2: year later. Was there one incident where you're like, Okay,

796
00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 2: I gotta go now.

797
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 1: There's a couple I was.

798
00:34:02,480 --> 00:34:02,760
Speaker 4: First.

799
00:34:02,800 --> 00:34:05,400
Speaker 1: I was having a hard time getting booked in Texas,

800
00:34:05,400 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 1: booking myself because you have to start out booking yourself

801
00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:10,200
Speaker 1: because everybody already knew me as a side person.

802
00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 4: They're like, nah, but you played with Gary p.

803
00:34:12,120 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 1: Hunt, y'all, but you play No, but you play with

804
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:15,440
Speaker 1: And I'm like, no, but I'm a songwriter.

805
00:34:15,560 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 2: Now where you get singing and playing fiddle?

806
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 4: I was singing playing fiddle.

807
00:34:20,040 --> 00:34:21,640
Speaker 1: If I had if I could get a side person

808
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:23,920
Speaker 1: to play with me and play backup guitar, I'd play fiddle.

809
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:27,880
Speaker 1: If not, I'd play ukulele. Yeah, And just because it

810
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 1: was easier to tote and anyway, So did that and

811
00:34:33,800 --> 00:34:38,200
Speaker 1: wasn't getting very far and then Todd Snyder called and

812
00:34:38,200 --> 00:34:40,520
Speaker 1: said you can open a show for me, and I said, okay,

813
00:34:40,560 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: that'd be great, and I drove Dallas, which is like

814
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: five hours from Lubbock, and then he didn't show up,

815
00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: and then I only had like five songs, so I

816
00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:51,839
Speaker 1: had to keep playing over and over and over and over,

817
00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 1: and only two weeks ago he told me he.

818
00:34:53,480 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: Was there, but you still had to play even though

819
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:56,239
Speaker 2: he didn't show up.

820
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, do you play so last minute?

821
00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:00,120
Speaker 2: You had the whole show then over and over.

822
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 1: And over the same five songs. Yeah.

823
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:04,320
Speaker 3: What what the crowd think about?

824
00:35:04,400 --> 00:35:06,479
Speaker 1: They weren't. They didn't, they didn't. Most of them left,

825
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:10,680
Speaker 1: but they didn't. They probably didn't think much of it.

826
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 2: Wow.

827
00:35:11,400 --> 00:35:15,040
Speaker 1: And So between that and then feeling like because that

828
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 1: was like one show that I got to do, and

829
00:35:16,800 --> 00:35:18,520
Speaker 1: I was just like feeling like, Okay, I have to

830
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: go kind of start over somehow, and when I do,

831
00:35:22,160 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: I'm going to have to not be a side person

832
00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:25,239
Speaker 1: because that's easy to fall back into.

833
00:35:25,520 --> 00:35:26,720
Speaker 3: It's like moving to a new school.

834
00:35:26,800 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: Mm hmm.

835
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,799
Speaker 2: You can. You can almost smart change.

836
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,920
Speaker 1: Who you are, Yeah, exactly, And it's.

837
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:33,799
Speaker 2: Always a version of yourself and maybe a version that

838
00:35:33,880 --> 00:35:36,320
Speaker 2: was kind of suppressed by you or other people, because

839
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,120
Speaker 2: that wasn't always who you were, right, You almost don't.

840
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,520
Speaker 2: You almost don't get to evolve when you were with

841
00:35:39,560 --> 00:35:41,200
Speaker 2: the same people all the time, right, But you felt

842
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 2: a change of scenery in a more musical place would

843
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:45,319
Speaker 2: actually let you evolve without people going nope, we only

844
00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:46,440
Speaker 2: know you for this right.

845
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,040
Speaker 1: And I felt like I had to be careful like

846
00:35:49,120 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: I was. I told myself when I moved to Nashville

847
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: and do this. I'm only going to play with people

848
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:56,719
Speaker 1: that I can learn something from. You know, it has

849
00:35:56,800 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: to be somebody I can learn something from.

850
00:35:58,360 --> 00:35:59,359
Speaker 2: Who did you know here?

851
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:00,319
Speaker 3: Who did you meet here?

852
00:36:00,360 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 2: Early on? Justin Town Earl so you knew him before

853
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:04,719
Speaker 2: you got here? He was there?

854
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:05,759
Speaker 4: No, I met him.

855
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:09,320
Speaker 1: I was so Jason was playing at the Mercy Lounge

856
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:11,759
Speaker 1: and he called me because we were just friends. This

857
00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,480
Speaker 1: is way back in the day, and I'd played with

858
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 1: him some when I was touring on my own out

859
00:36:15,600 --> 00:36:16,879
Speaker 1: of Texas.

860
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:19,279
Speaker 4: And he was coming town. He was like, come play

861
00:36:19,320 --> 00:36:20,239
Speaker 4: the fiddle on this thing.

862
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,080
Speaker 1: Put in a record that it was The Sirens of

863
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 1: the Ditch had just come out, And I said okay,

864
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,040
Speaker 1: and I went up there and sat in, and then

865
00:36:27,160 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 1: after I got off the stage, Joshua Black, Wilkins and

866
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 1: Justin Town Searl over there and we started playing pool

867
00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:35,160
Speaker 1: and there were my my BFFs.

868
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:37,799
Speaker 2: Did you move to like a small apartment here? What

869
00:36:37,960 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: was your living? Yeah?

870
00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,600
Speaker 1: Well I lived with a boyfriend, and I lived. I

871
00:36:41,640 --> 00:36:44,080
Speaker 1: lived with a boyfriend. I spent some time in the

872
00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:48,320
Speaker 1: back of Buzz Casin's guest house for a while, and

873
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: and I lived with a boyfriend, and I lived on

874
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:51,560
Speaker 1: the road a lot.

875
00:36:51,920 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: Did you do the songwriter things here in town, like

876
00:36:54,080 --> 00:36:55,920
Speaker 2: on Tuesday and Wednesdays? Or are you gone as much

877
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 2: as possible?

878
00:36:57,440 --> 00:37:01,280
Speaker 1: I was working as a waitress mostly at three sixty

879
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:03,120
Speaker 1: And then you know three sixty in.

880
00:37:03,120 --> 00:37:05,880
Speaker 3: Bill Mead, Well, I don't know anywhere.

881
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's that one.

882
00:37:07,000 --> 00:37:09,280
Speaker 3: And then there was what's three sixty is a place?

883
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

884
00:37:09,880 --> 00:37:13,120
Speaker 1: Okay, it's like it was, because like in two thousand

885
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:14,759
Speaker 1: and three there were as many restaurants here.

886
00:37:14,840 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 3: I know Bell Media to live in Bell Mead, but

887
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:17,360
Speaker 3: I don't know three sixty.

888
00:37:17,600 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 4: It's by this ball.

889
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:20,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. What'd you learn about because I was I was

890
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:23,160
Speaker 2: a server. I was a waiter before server became the term. Yeah,

891
00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:23,759
Speaker 2: as a waiter?

892
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: What'd you learn through service?

893
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 2: Waiting?

894
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:28,040
Speaker 1: Then?

895
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 2: I liked wine, okay, And I was gonna say I

896
00:37:30,760 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 2: learned the little bit of patients that I have.

897
00:37:33,160 --> 00:37:35,120
Speaker 3: I have very little, but I had to have.

898
00:37:35,120 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 2: Patients with idiots, yeah, or I wouldn't make my money. Yeah, exactly,

899
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 2: because if I get irritated somebody who's gonna tip me,

900
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:43,759
Speaker 2: then I'm not going to get a tip. Right. It's

901
00:37:43,760 --> 00:37:45,480
Speaker 2: like dealing with some of these promoters now if I'm

902
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 2: on the road doing comedy and sometimes they're idiots, Yeah,

903
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 2: and I have to just allow the idiots to spread

904
00:37:52,880 --> 00:37:53,239
Speaker 2: their winds.

905
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,439
Speaker 1: I love comedy so much. I go to like Comedy Club,

906
00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:58,240
Speaker 1: laugh Factory, all those zanies.

907
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 3: I love all that here, you'll just go. Have you

908
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 3: seen anybody good lately?

909
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 1: No? I went to I haven't been to this eighties

910
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,239
Speaker 1: On a second, I've been going out of town more. Yeah,

911
00:38:09,320 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: so I go to the ones out of town.

912
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 3: But what's the best comedy show you've ever been to?

913
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 3: Were you just laugh?

914
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 2: I went to see Chris Rock once in Atlanta. I

915
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:20,480
Speaker 2: love Chris Rock, and I thought about the funnest thing

916
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,239
Speaker 2: I've ever seen. It was like three hours too, and

917
00:38:22,280 --> 00:38:24,319
Speaker 2: I usually even I heard about that.

918
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,920
Speaker 4: My friend Will will Welsk went to the one that

919
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:27,600
Speaker 4: was in New York.

920
00:38:27,640 --> 00:38:30,080
Speaker 2: I don't even like movies be three hours, so you wouldn't.

921
00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:31,879
Speaker 2: I wouldn't think I'd like a three hour comedy show.

922
00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 2: But it was so good and it was like watching

923
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,919
Speaker 2: Picasso paint, but we knew how good Paasso was while

924
00:38:35,920 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 2: I was painting, instead of.

925
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:40,319
Speaker 1: It's so wild. They just a comedian just gets up

926
00:38:40,320 --> 00:38:41,600
Speaker 1: there with just a microphone.

927
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 4: Well, and that's all they've got.

928
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,400
Speaker 2: The great part about it is there's no overhead for me.

929
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:47,440
Speaker 2: I will fly into a theater. Yeah, I got I

930
00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: have no it's just mean.

931
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,440
Speaker 1: There's no overhead, but it's all your faults.

932
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,759
Speaker 2: At the same time, It's the most isolated, lonely thing

933
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:55,680
Speaker 2: I've ever done, because if I go up and I

934
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:58,439
Speaker 2: don't feel right or I'm not on, there's nowhere to go.

935
00:38:58,680 --> 00:38:58,919
Speaker 1: Yeah.

936
00:38:59,040 --> 00:39:01,839
Speaker 2: Once I was doing a shit in Massachusetts and somebody

937
00:39:01,920 --> 00:39:04,279
Speaker 2: yelled I'm gonna shoot you or I should shoot you,

938
00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:07,239
Speaker 2: and everybody started screaming. But the promoter had had a

939
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,799
Speaker 2: conversation with me before, like, hey, you have to do

940
00:39:08,920 --> 00:39:12,439
Speaker 2: you know, fifty minutes or you're not getting paid. That's fine,

941
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 2: I do our ten hour, twenty whatever. But then everybodys

942
00:39:15,040 --> 00:39:16,960
Speaker 2: are running out, cops came in. I sat down the

943
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:19,400
Speaker 2: stage and wouldn't leave because I didn't want him to go.

944
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 3: You didn't do your fifty minutes.

945
00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 4: Man, I've been in that spot in Belfast, like.

946
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 3: Bell, not in America Belfast, right, So they didn't want

947
00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:27,600
Speaker 3: to pay you.

948
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 4: They wouldn't pay me until I hit the whole time limit.

949
00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 1: And I was having trouble because I ate some bad

950
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,480
Speaker 1: Fahita's bad ideas.

951
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:34,839
Speaker 2: Oh you're sick and yeah.

952
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 1: At this the bathroom was right by the stage. Everybody

953
00:39:37,280 --> 00:39:40,000
Speaker 1: knew what happened. To talk about a humiliating experience.

954
00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:41,720
Speaker 3: How'd you get through that one?

955
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 1: I came out of the bathroom and everybody heard what

956
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:47,680
Speaker 1: was on display, and I said, I'm sorry, but I

957
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:49,480
Speaker 1: had to keep going for thirty more minutes. I don't

958
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: mind if you all leave, I would, but I'm going

959
00:39:51,680 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 1: to sit here and do this because otherwise I'm not

960
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 1: going to.

961
00:39:53,480 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 2: Have a guess m Yeah, I'm always afraid of them

962
00:39:56,000 --> 00:39:57,720
Speaker 2: not paying. That's why I say it like idiots be idiots.

963
00:39:57,719 --> 00:39:59,480
Speaker 2: I just yes, sir, you got it, sir, I'm gonna

964
00:39:59,480 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 2: finish my show, my show, sir.

965
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: If they get too weird, you just get your booking

966
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:04,080
Speaker 1: agent on them.

967
00:40:04,560 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, but usually it's they only get weird with me

968
00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 2: if they do, because most are great. But if they do,

969
00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 2: it's nine eight forty five. Like before, I'm gonna go on.

970
00:40:13,760 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 2: There's been some issue and they don't want to pay

971
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,239
Speaker 2: for this. Yeah, and my manager maybe will probably on

972
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:20,640
Speaker 2: the road with me, but like anybody else, won't answer

973
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:22,879
Speaker 2: the phone at nine o'clock at night when I'm doing

974
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:24,879
Speaker 2: a show. So I just kind of feel lonely out there.

975
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:37,319
Speaker 5: The Bobby Cast will be right back. This is the

976
00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 5: Bobby Cast.

977
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:43,480
Speaker 2: So you're in Nashville. You're making your friends circle. Yeah,

978
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 2: when you moved here, did you kind of notice that musically.

979
00:40:47,680 --> 00:40:50,240
Speaker 1: It works some of the basement eats east to despite

980
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: Grimy's forgetfulness at the.

981
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,359
Speaker 4: Time, I would do some bar backing there.

982
00:40:54,520 --> 00:40:55,600
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, did you know?

983
00:40:55,760 --> 00:40:58,239
Speaker 4: Not the East just basement og The East wasn't there yet?

984
00:40:58,280 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: Like how elevated musically this town was, or did you

985
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 2: come here on that you felt like there were a

986
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,960
Speaker 2: lot of just really strong players or were you just

987
00:41:04,960 --> 00:41:06,720
Speaker 2: around so many already that it really wasn't a culture

988
00:41:06,719 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 2: shock to you players I was.

989
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:09,120
Speaker 4: Used to being around.

990
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:12,840
Speaker 1: I wasn't used to seeing so much great like artists,

991
00:41:12,880 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: like songwriters, like I didn't see a whole lot of that.

992
00:41:15,120 --> 00:41:17,279
Speaker 1: Like Lubbock, we had some. But it is like when

993
00:41:17,320 --> 00:41:20,279
Speaker 1: you go out out into the world in Nashville, and

994
00:41:20,320 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 1: you hear people, you're just like, that is an artist,

995
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,480
Speaker 1: that person those how did that person come up with

996
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:29,239
Speaker 1: those words? You know that kind of thing. Musicianship is

997
00:41:29,800 --> 00:41:32,160
Speaker 1: stellar in world class here and everybody does move here.

998
00:41:32,200 --> 00:41:36,360
Speaker 1: And it's also you know, inherited and of the soil

999
00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:41,600
Speaker 1: probably or something. But I had never seen so many

1000
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:45,160
Speaker 1: people that were, you know, like not just sidemen.

1001
00:41:45,360 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 2: More intimidated at first, or inspired or what would you

1002
00:41:48,680 --> 00:41:52,720
Speaker 2: ratio that at just by the artistry of folks.

1003
00:41:53,000 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: I always always intimidated by that.

1004
00:41:54,640 --> 00:41:56,600
Speaker 1: I don't know how people could go on stage and

1005
00:41:56,920 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 1: on the stage, be in the front and all that.

1006
00:41:59,120 --> 00:42:01,440
Speaker 1: It's so weird to I had horrible stage right. It

1007
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,719
Speaker 1: took me a long time to get used to, but.

1008
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:05,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was.

1009
00:42:05,719 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: It's intimidating, but it's also like renewed, not renewing. It's

1010
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 1: like intimidating, but it's an inspiring feels like such a

1011
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:14,919
Speaker 1: stupid word, but it's such a It makes you want

1012
00:42:14,960 --> 00:42:17,719
Speaker 1: to rise to the occasion too, you know, kind of

1013
00:42:17,960 --> 00:42:20,800
Speaker 1: you want to be that good or hope to aspire

1014
00:42:21,520 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: to be.

1015
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:26,359
Speaker 2: Do you remember anybody here that you saw and you

1016
00:42:26,400 --> 00:42:29,760
Speaker 2: were just like I cannot believe that person is that good.

1017
00:42:30,120 --> 00:42:33,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Ben Hall, I don't know if he's playing much.

1018
00:42:33,880 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 1: He can really play, And then trying to think who

1019
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,520
Speaker 1: else good? Justin got to where he was really good,

1020
00:42:41,520 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 1: but then he took a turn for the worst. But

1021
00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: that's the beast's fault, not his. And other folks that

1022
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: were really good.

1023
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 2: Like you saw him at a show. Maybe I didn't

1024
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 2: even know him, but you were just like, I'm like,

1025
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 2: I'm almost enthralled. Like you couldn't You're just you couldn't

1026
00:42:54,440 --> 00:42:56,160
Speaker 2: stop thinking about the artistry.

1027
00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,000
Speaker 1: Oh, the Time Jumpers when I saw them, it was

1028
00:42:59,040 --> 00:43:00,520
Speaker 1: the same night I met to t Hall.

1029
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,040
Speaker 4: That was wild.

1030
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 3: What about the Time Jumpers took you aback?

1031
00:43:06,640 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 1: The fiddle playing was right and it was so beautiful,

1032
00:43:09,160 --> 00:43:14,040
Speaker 1: and it was they were doing some incredibly difficult things, uh,

1033
00:43:15,239 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 1: the way they engaged with the crowd, and it was

1034
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: just really beautiful.

1035
00:43:21,239 --> 00:43:23,400
Speaker 3: Can you hear a fiddle and a song and not

1036
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 3: judge it?

1037
00:43:24,480 --> 00:43:27,680
Speaker 1: Yes you can, because this is the thing about fiddle players.

1038
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 1: We all stick together. It's not like like fiddle players

1039
00:43:30,480 --> 00:43:33,160
Speaker 1: are monogamous. They like their this one fiddle that they

1040
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: really love to play. They might have a backup one.

1041
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,960
Speaker 1: But also fiddlers like Aimen. All the fiddle players in

1042
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,279
Speaker 1: the world want to sit around and just play the

1043
00:43:40,280 --> 00:43:43,360
Speaker 1: fiddle all day. You know, Tyler, Tyler children, Timmy's playing

1044
00:43:43,560 --> 00:43:46,080
Speaker 1: fiddle and everybody's playing the fiddle. Now it didn't used

1045
00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: to be like that. But you know guitars, guitar players

1046
00:43:49,239 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 1: they like to cut heads and you know, so.

1047
00:43:52,040 --> 00:43:54,880
Speaker 2: You're not switching out fiddles every song like a guitar player. No, not,

1048
00:43:54,960 --> 00:43:56,839
Speaker 2: do you switch at all? It's just not one. Really,

1049
00:43:57,719 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 2: do you have to tune? In part of my ignorance

1050
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 2: on fiddle because I play guitar a little bit, but

1051
00:44:01,080 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 2: I don't play fiddle at all. Do you ever have

1052
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: to change tuning in a fiddle?

1053
00:44:06,080 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 4: You can if you want. I never do because it

1054
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 4: kind of doesn't settle right.

1055
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,239
Speaker 1: You can do whatever you want to any intrment, But no,

1056
00:44:11,280 --> 00:44:13,279
Speaker 1: you leave it like it's supposed to be, and you

1057
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: have a tuner there that you just tune up.

1058
00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,440
Speaker 2: Do you play since you play the fiddle again, ignorance,

1059
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:19,360
Speaker 2: please forgive me? Oh, so you play one of those.

1060
00:44:19,160 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 4: I love talking about the fiddle like.

1061
00:44:21,120 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 3: The electric harp type thing.

1062
00:44:23,320 --> 00:44:25,680
Speaker 2: Is that at all the same as a fiddle, the

1063
00:44:25,800 --> 00:44:26,640
Speaker 2: electric harp.

1064
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's got like say, listen, I don't even know

1065
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 3: what it's Okay.

1066
00:44:29,680 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 1: I probably get to the bottom of it. If there's

1067
00:44:31,680 --> 00:44:34,360
Speaker 1: an electric carp, I want to own it.

1068
00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:35,960
Speaker 2: Is there not an electric carp? Am I just really

1069
00:44:35,960 --> 00:44:38,920
Speaker 2: it probably is. What is the closest instrument to a

1070
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,839
Speaker 2: fiddle that's not a fiddle because you can probably put

1071
00:44:40,840 --> 00:44:41,080
Speaker 2: me on it?

1072
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:42,040
Speaker 3: What else do you play?

1073
00:44:42,239 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: I mean there are things that they're old, ancient ideas

1074
00:44:46,120 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: that it came from the liar, the lear lire whenever,

1075
00:44:50,120 --> 00:44:52,440
Speaker 1: one of Apollo's muses or something. I don't know. I

1076
00:44:52,480 --> 00:44:55,759
Speaker 1: wasn't there. But the fiddle is awesome. I played them

1077
00:44:55,760 --> 00:44:57,359
Speaker 1: with five strings like Johnny Gimble did.

1078
00:44:57,440 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 3: Can you think can you finger it in place?

1079
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,040
Speaker 1: Yeah? It's like a mandolin, but you don't bow the mandolin.

1080
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 2: You said, the ukulele similar at all?

1081
00:45:06,239 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 4: No, no, no, it's just they're both little.

1082
00:45:11,880 --> 00:45:15,440
Speaker 2: Fingers. Do you have callouses from playing fiddle? Is that

1083
00:45:15,480 --> 00:45:18,040
Speaker 2: a thing? Pull the threats down and if you don't mind,

1084
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:19,560
Speaker 2: go away. If I don't play for a little bit.

1085
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: It's a different type of caluis I get one here too,

1086
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:24,880
Speaker 1: that sometimes can be considered your neck. Well, yeah, from

1087
00:45:24,920 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 1: where you hold it. But sometimes it's odd because sometimes

1088
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:29,680
Speaker 1: people think it's a hickey, like if you've been playing

1089
00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:31,359
Speaker 1: or practicing a lot and it makes like a thing

1090
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,480
Speaker 1: and sometimes you know, kind of gets a little bit

1091
00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: of a callus on your neck right there, and if

1092
00:45:35,600 --> 00:45:37,000
Speaker 1: you play it a lot during the day, you can

1093
00:45:37,040 --> 00:45:41,080
Speaker 1: get a mark that might you know, somebody being like

1094
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:43,719
Speaker 1: overly like whatever they be, it's not a hicky on

1095
00:45:43,760 --> 00:45:43,960
Speaker 1: your neck.

1096
00:45:44,000 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 4: You're like, no, it's not hicky on min idiot, have

1097
00:45:46,280 --> 00:45:47,080
Speaker 4: you ever had a hickey?

1098
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 3: Got a freaking ball fiddle player?

1099
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 2: Whathickey looks like?

1100
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:53,920
Speaker 1: So you've never seen a hickey?

1101
00:45:54,160 --> 00:45:55,360
Speaker 2: Could you? That's what it looks like.

1102
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:57,719
Speaker 3: That's true. I don't think I've ever had a hickey.

1103
00:45:57,760 --> 00:45:58,319
Speaker 2: Might get right a hig.

1104
00:45:58,920 --> 00:45:59,680
Speaker 3: I've been a loser, and.

1105
00:45:59,600 --> 00:46:01,640
Speaker 2: You could give yourself one that I've done on my

1106
00:46:01,680 --> 00:46:04,560
Speaker 2: bicapp there. I thought I sucked my bicep into a

1107
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 2: hickey more than once.

1108
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: But then you go to school and they be like,

1109
00:46:07,080 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 3: I'd be like, I got a hickey.

1110
00:46:08,440 --> 00:46:10,759
Speaker 2: Like, no, it matches with your mouth exactly where if

1111
00:46:10,760 --> 00:46:12,160
Speaker 2: you could bend your mouth to your arm.

1112
00:46:12,239 --> 00:46:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1113
00:46:12,800 --> 00:46:17,040
Speaker 2: So in Nashville, you make your friend group. When do

1114
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 2: you feel comfortable being a front Like comfortable being a

1115
00:46:19,560 --> 00:46:21,359
Speaker 2: front person? Is that? Is that? Years later?

1116
00:46:21,560 --> 00:46:23,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, it took me some getting used to.

1117
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,000
Speaker 2: Did you have any crazy shows where you're like, I

1118
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:26,440
Speaker 2: don't know, this does not feel good. I don't like

1119
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:27,719
Speaker 2: being a front person. Maybe I just want to go

1120
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:29,239
Speaker 2: back to being a side player because it didn't go well.

1121
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:30,960
Speaker 1: I don't want to go back to being a side player,

1122
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,759
Speaker 1: but I wanted to figure out how to overcome it,

1123
00:46:32,800 --> 00:46:36,040
Speaker 1: Like I was reading some self help books in downloading

1124
00:46:36,080 --> 00:46:38,880
Speaker 1: things to try and figure it out. Why it was

1125
00:46:39,000 --> 00:46:40,879
Speaker 1: like that, Like why do I always get up there

1126
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:43,120
Speaker 1: and get nerved out when I'm trying to sing my

1127
00:46:43,120 --> 00:46:43,560
Speaker 1: own songs?

1128
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:45,359
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's up with stage Friday in you? And how

1129
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,319
Speaker 2: did you combat it?

1130
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 1: I read books about it and tried to be scientific

1131
00:46:50,440 --> 00:46:53,480
Speaker 1: about it, and that didn't help. And after a while

1132
00:46:54,320 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 1: there's a couple of things, like, you know, you don't

1133
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:58,759
Speaker 1: realize it when you go to a show until you're

1134
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: watching on the other side of stage. People have a

1135
00:47:01,280 --> 00:47:04,120
Speaker 1: music listening face, like the way they listen to music,

1136
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: and it's not always a pleasant face. It's like they're

1137
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:09,239
Speaker 1: you know, they're like relaxed or they're in thought and

1138
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: you could take that as sleeping or it's not caring,

1139
00:47:12,239 --> 00:47:15,560
Speaker 1: or they might be like like thinking hard, but it

1140
00:47:15,560 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: looks like I hate you.

1141
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:17,600
Speaker 6: You know.

1142
00:47:17,640 --> 00:47:18,279
Speaker 1: There's a lot of.

1143
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:21,160
Speaker 4: Music listening faces I've noticed, and so.

1144
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:24,359
Speaker 1: There's that, and then it's part of it, though. You

1145
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:27,160
Speaker 1: have to learn how to navigate like I feel like

1146
00:47:27,200 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 1: you do. To be able to play anywhere at any time.

1147
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,280
Speaker 1: You have to be able to put up with Heckler's

1148
00:47:32,280 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: and know all all that kind of stuff, and how

1149
00:47:35,000 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: to deal with people that are just genuine assholes and

1150
00:47:37,680 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: do want to throw stuff at you. But you have

1151
00:47:39,640 --> 00:47:42,480
Speaker 1: to learn all that, and then the fear thing. I

1152
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:46,239
Speaker 1: guess what happened with me is when I did the

1153
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:48,239
Speaker 1: Aubry for the first time and I was about to

1154
00:47:48,280 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 1: not go on stage, and he said.

1155
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:51,680
Speaker 3: You were thinking about not going on stage?

1156
00:47:51,719 --> 00:47:54,320
Speaker 2: Really I was terrified, really anxiety attack just or just

1157
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:54,719
Speaker 2: crazy ANX.

1158
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. I used to get bad panic attacks too, But anyway,

1159
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,719
Speaker 1: I started trendsigental meditation that helps. But what he said

1160
00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: that he was he said, Oh you're nervous, it just

1161
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: means you care. He's like, go out there and be

1162
00:48:07,520 --> 00:48:09,480
Speaker 1: nervous and show them that you care with your nerves.

1163
00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,600
Speaker 1: And I was like okay, and I was like I

1164
00:48:11,600 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 1: went out there and I was like, you know, he's.

1165
00:48:13,040 --> 00:48:13,839
Speaker 4: Right, I just care.

1166
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,919
Speaker 2: I worked with a bunch of kids on American Idol

1167
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:19,319
Speaker 2: for four years where that was the main thing they

1168
00:48:19,320 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 2: would ask me. I was like, the head mentor on

1169
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,000
Speaker 2: the show, how do I not be nervous? And I

1170
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 2: was like, you don't. There's no not being nervous. There is.

1171
00:48:27,040 --> 00:48:28,839
Speaker 2: You only have a few instances in your life where

1172
00:48:28,840 --> 00:48:31,399
Speaker 2: you get to be nervous for something awesome, and there's

1173
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 2: a lot of times it's gonna be nervous for something

1174
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 2: that ain't awesome, right, But if you get to be

1175
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 2: nervous for something awesome, that means this is cool, this matters,

1176
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 2: this is important to you. And the sooner you realize

1177
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 2: that you can't overtake nervousness just by thinking about something,

1178
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,160
Speaker 2: and that you embrace the fact that it just kind

1179
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 2: of sucks that you're nervous for a good reason, and

1180
00:48:50,520 --> 00:48:53,040
Speaker 2: the more you do it, the more you that you can.

1181
00:48:53,160 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 2: For me, especially doing sand Up, when things went wrong

1182
00:48:56,280 --> 00:48:58,440
Speaker 2: and I was able to navigate out of them, then

1183
00:48:58,440 --> 00:48:59,560
Speaker 2: it didn't scare me so much the.

1184
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:00,799
Speaker 3: Things would go anymore, right.

1185
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:02,080
Speaker 2: It just took me to get up there and screw

1186
00:49:02,160 --> 00:49:03,759
Speaker 2: up a bunch to go, Oh, worst case scenario, I'm

1187
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 2: still okay because I've gotten through it. And then I

1188
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 2: started to be less nervous, not because I got better

1189
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,680
Speaker 2: at it, because I got better at being bad at it.

1190
00:49:09,200 --> 00:49:11,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, exactly, exactly, that's funny.

1191
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,560
Speaker 2: And so it was like, Okay, well, if I suck

1192
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 2: and I'm so nervous that I'm gonna suck, I've sucked

1193
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:17,319
Speaker 2: before and I found my way out of it, right,

1194
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,120
Speaker 2: so I feel comfortable enough to go into it again.

1195
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: And if I'm nervous, one cool. I mean it's worth something.

1196
00:49:21,920 --> 00:49:23,360
Speaker 2: In two I'll be okay. Yeah, got out of it

1197
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,960
Speaker 2: before again. Yeah, are you stage right now? It's gone?

1198
00:49:27,320 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: Yeah?

1199
00:49:28,120 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: Really.

1200
00:49:29,080 --> 00:49:32,600
Speaker 1: It took a little doing between that experience and then

1201
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:35,600
Speaker 1: I went on tour with John Priyan a lot, and

1202
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,680
Speaker 1: he knows how nervous I was, and I was going

1203
00:49:37,680 --> 00:49:40,360
Speaker 1: out solo. I went out solo for all kinds of folks.

1204
00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:44,440
Speaker 1: Even Ryan Adams had some experiences there too that were interesting.

1205
00:49:44,480 --> 00:49:47,759
Speaker 1: But anyway, all that to say, I was playing a

1206
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:51,279
Speaker 1: show with John went and it played like I don't know,

1207
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:54,440
Speaker 1: like grown Again or somewhere in Sweden, and I forgot

1208
00:49:54,520 --> 00:49:57,960
Speaker 1: my shoes. And the next day I went out and

1209
00:49:57,960 --> 00:49:59,600
Speaker 1: I had my tennis shoes on with my black dress

1210
00:49:59,640 --> 00:50:02,399
Speaker 1: and all this. We're playing theaters, you know, and he said,

1211
00:50:02,440 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: you can't wear those shoes. It doesn't look great with

1212
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 1: that outfit. I was like, what am I going to do?

1213
00:50:06,520 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, it looks good with just the tights,

1214
00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: and he said, I'll make sure we find your shoes.

1215
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,239
Speaker 1: But like, so many weird things happened so far on

1216
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:16,560
Speaker 1: every stage that it's like, I think I've done all

1217
00:50:16,560 --> 00:50:18,280
Speaker 1: the bad things that could possibly happen.

1218
00:50:18,360 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 2: And whatever they shoot at you, yeah you're gonna be ok. Yeah, yeah, all.

1219
00:50:22,560 --> 00:50:25,520
Speaker 1: The technical things have happened everything that could happen, probably.

1220
00:50:25,680 --> 00:50:27,440
Speaker 2: And you also what I've learned too, like if my

1221
00:50:27,480 --> 00:50:31,279
Speaker 2: ears go out and I just keep going, yeah, just

1222
00:50:31,360 --> 00:50:32,399
Speaker 2: keep going, Just keep going.

1223
00:50:32,960 --> 00:50:33,319
Speaker 3: That's it.

1224
00:50:33,440 --> 00:50:36,879
Speaker 2: Just keep going because I've stopped early on old Yeah,

1225
00:50:37,080 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 2: just keep going. Yeah, And nobody really knows.

1226
00:50:39,800 --> 00:50:41,280
Speaker 4: And the Beatles did it without monitors.

1227
00:50:41,840 --> 00:50:43,960
Speaker 2: I was watching an old video of the Beatles playing

1228
00:50:43,960 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 2: Shay Stadium in like late sixties like it's where the

1229
00:50:48,520 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 2: Mets played baseball, no monitors, and not only that, they

1230
00:50:51,719 --> 00:50:54,400
Speaker 2: would just have their little amps to an entire stadium

1231
00:50:54,600 --> 00:50:56,440
Speaker 2: and they were just putting mics on amps and the

1232
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,160
Speaker 2: people are screaming so loud you couldn't even hear them.

1233
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:04,520
Speaker 2: Yeah they're terror and today it would be the Terrible Yes, yeah,

1234
00:51:04,560 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: but they would play I Can't buy Me the Terribly Mike,

1235
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,319
Speaker 2: Terribly Amped and the people were just screaming so loud.

1236
00:51:11,520 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 1: I heard because I was alive, and that the that

1237
00:51:13,680 --> 00:51:15,960
Speaker 1: the those venues all smelled like p too, because all

1238
00:51:16,000 --> 00:51:18,480
Speaker 1: the folks were peeing themselves with those concerts.

1239
00:51:19,600 --> 00:51:22,800
Speaker 2: I see where people now that people will wear diapers

1240
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 2: the tailor's shows because they don't want to leave. Oh,

1241
00:51:25,120 --> 00:51:27,239
Speaker 2: they'll just p in their diapers like adult diapers. Uh huh.

1242
00:51:27,440 --> 00:51:27,640
Speaker 1: Nice.

1243
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 2: That's how you know you made it when people cool,

1244
00:51:30,400 --> 00:51:32,239
Speaker 2: When people want to stay at your show so bad, Yeah,

1245
00:51:32,239 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 2: they'll just eat a bad fahida and stay.

1246
00:51:35,600 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, I heard George Jones did that once

1247
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 1: and also acted like Donald Duck the.

1248
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: Diaper in the George Jones series. Have you seen that

1249
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: at all? The George and Tammy No.

1250
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: I saw the Tales from a tour bus.

1251
00:51:49,520 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I saw that too, George.

1252
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: And Tammy was actually really good and like Jessica Chastain

1253
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:55,440
Speaker 2: like Tammy Wynett and could sing.

1254
00:51:55,360 --> 00:51:56,000
Speaker 4: She's so hot.

1255
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, she's pretty.

1256
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and but he talks like a duck a lot

1257
00:52:00,400 --> 00:52:04,920
Speaker 2: when he was like getting nervous. It's really good loving you.

1258
00:52:05,440 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 2: June twenty third, So he did this with Bobby Nelson.

1259
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:10,359
Speaker 2: What Willy's a part of this too?

1260
00:52:10,400 --> 00:52:10,520
Speaker 1: Right?

1261
00:52:10,640 --> 00:52:11,520
Speaker 2: He got one of the songs.

1262
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, he sang on Summertime.

1263
00:52:13,480 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 3: And so what did he think about the project?

1264
00:52:15,760 --> 00:52:18,359
Speaker 1: He thought it was beautiful. I mean, I mean, I'm

1265
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: gonna go ahead and speak for Willy, but I believe

1266
00:52:21,080 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: Willy loved his sister's music, musical talents, and probably was

1267
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:26,480
Speaker 1: his favorite.

1268
00:52:26,680 --> 00:52:29,280
Speaker 4: But no, it's gonna it's cool.

1269
00:52:29,320 --> 00:52:29,680
Speaker 1: It's cool.

1270
00:52:29,719 --> 00:52:31,720
Speaker 4: We did a bunch of old jams and.

1271
00:52:32,320 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 3: Did you do Always I'm Online with Bobby?

1272
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,479
Speaker 1: Yes? Yeah, yeah, we did that. You're always on my mind.

1273
00:52:37,680 --> 00:52:40,040
Speaker 1: And we did some Texas Playboy stuff. You know, Willy's

1274
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 1: one of his first shows he ever put on. His

1275
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:45,319
Speaker 1: first was a Bob Will show down in Texas. And

1276
00:52:46,239 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: he's a big Bob Will's fan, you know, that by

1277
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:51,239
Speaker 1: all of his Tunsy's covered and he was a huge

1278
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:55,200
Speaker 1: Cindy Walker fan. They also did a record of hers

1279
00:52:55,239 --> 00:52:58,880
Speaker 1: but good music, as he said, as once they're written

1280
00:52:58,920 --> 00:52:59,719
Speaker 1: there for everybody.

1281
00:53:00,480 --> 00:53:01,480
Speaker 3: The new album Loving You.

1282
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,439
Speaker 2: You guys check it out June twenty third, it's out

1283
00:53:04,000 --> 00:53:06,160
Speaker 2: and do you still practice?

1284
00:53:06,480 --> 00:53:06,719
Speaker 1: Yes?

1285
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,000
Speaker 4: You know what I've been doing lately.

1286
00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna there's release shows I'm doing with the Wheel

1287
00:53:12,080 --> 00:53:12,919
Speaker 1: July eight, the ninth.

1288
00:53:13,040 --> 00:53:14,839
Speaker 4: But down in Texas, I saw Ray.

1289
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 3: Bens of the Grammy for the first time in a

1290
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:16,200
Speaker 3: long time.

1291
00:53:16,239 --> 00:53:17,799
Speaker 2: You came out. But it's like bo He's so big, right,

1292
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,360
Speaker 2: I love him tall? Yeah, friendly, and he puts his

1293
00:53:20,440 --> 00:53:23,160
Speaker 2: arm around me, and yeah, I knew him in Austin

1294
00:53:23,280 --> 00:53:23,640
Speaker 2: like I.

1295
00:53:23,560 --> 00:53:24,040
Speaker 3: Was in Austin.

1296
00:53:24,080 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 2: I knew Sleep with the will yea yeah. And so

1297
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 2: speaking of Ray Benson, I just think about him. Did

1298
00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 2: me to interrupt your story there?

1299
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:30,319
Speaker 4: No, that's okay.

1300
00:53:30,360 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: No, I was just gonna say I've been I went

1301
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,480
Speaker 1: and dusted off the didn't sound silly, but I don't care.

1302
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 1: I wentn't dusted off the Orange Blossom Special, and I've

1303
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,399
Speaker 1: been playing it at the rehearsals just for fun and

1304
00:53:43,360 --> 00:53:46,520
Speaker 1: playing it way too fast, because that's also fun. But

1305
00:53:46,600 --> 00:53:49,440
Speaker 1: you you forget sometimes if you don't keep the tunes

1306
00:53:49,480 --> 00:53:50,480
Speaker 1: in your in your pocket.

1307
00:53:52,600 --> 00:53:53,880
Speaker 4: So I try to keep them close.

1308
00:53:53,960 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: Somewhat I want to.

1309
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,279
Speaker 2: Find before you leave. We're gonna cut this in a second.

1310
00:53:57,280 --> 00:53:59,520
Speaker 2: I want to find the instrument that I brought up.

1311
00:53:59,600 --> 00:54:02,279
Speaker 2: I'm crease me too, because listen, I'm not known for

1312
00:54:02,400 --> 00:54:04,640
Speaker 2: my uh instrument prowess.

1313
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 4: Listen, you can't know everything.

1314
00:54:06,680 --> 00:54:07,160
Speaker 3: Trust me.

1315
00:54:07,400 --> 00:54:10,200
Speaker 2: I think I do, and then I I'm quickly reminded

1316
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:11,040
Speaker 2: that don't forget.

1317
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 4: To write down that fair Gamo documentary.

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Speaker 2: I don't even write it down. I'll remember it, you will, Okay, Yeah,

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Speaker 2: how's your how's your memory?

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Speaker 4: It's really good?

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Speaker 1: What I'm not spoking to read?

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Speaker 3: Actually have you noticed the difference?

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Speaker 1: Oh? Yeah, because I haven't. I haven't part partook in, partooketh, partaketh,

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00:54:24,800 --> 00:54:27,560
Speaker 1: partaken part yeah. Add these words sound like they could

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Speaker 1: be better, don't they? In such a long time that

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Speaker 1: do you miss it?

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Speaker 2: Sometimes?

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Speaker 1: I miss the part where you can just where everything's

1329
00:54:37,520 --> 00:54:39,040
Speaker 1: hilarious and chill.

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00:54:39,120 --> 00:54:42,960
Speaker 2: And I would like that too. Auto harp, oh, the autoharp.

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00:54:43,000 --> 00:54:45,480
Speaker 1: I love that I have Paul Kinnerleies that's.

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00:54:45,239 --> 00:54:47,719
Speaker 2: What I'm taught, not guess electro harp. It is not

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Speaker 2: the same thing. Obviously.

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Speaker 1: This is mother maybell thing, the thing where you push

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00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:52,920
Speaker 1: the buttons that you can strum stuff.

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Speaker 3: Yes, tell me about the auto harp.

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Speaker 1: Auto Harp's an amazing machine. I subscribe to the idea

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Speaker 1: that you can get yourself out of rut, to be

1339
00:55:02,880 --> 00:55:07,560
Speaker 1: it musically or with writing, by just changing up the instruments.

1340
00:55:08,120 --> 00:55:11,399
Speaker 1: It wasn't an idea unique to me, but a lot

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00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 1: of people do it. Like Tom Waits to go play

1342
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:15,880
Speaker 1: with some kind of instrument he's not used to playing

1343
00:55:15,920 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 1: with the jostle some stuff and get some new ideas.

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Speaker 1: It's like anything you know, if you if you're getting

1345
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:23,400
Speaker 1: bored with cooking by yourself a new spoon.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 2: The autoharp to me, looks like if you were to

1348
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Speaker 2: mix a steel guitar with one of those eighties piano

1349
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,799
Speaker 2: guitar ukulele things where you're like, not a ukilet.

1350
00:55:33,520 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 3: But it's like the piano and the guitar.

1351
00:55:35,480 --> 00:55:37,879
Speaker 2: No, it's it's a centaur. What if I think called

1352
00:55:37,880 --> 00:55:40,239
Speaker 2: where it's like looks like a guitar, Well, it's like

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00:55:40,239 --> 00:55:44,799
Speaker 2: a guitar. Piano in it. Oh, key guitar, there you go.

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Speaker 2: It's like if you mix the stell guitar and key

1355
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Speaker 2: tar or you're pushing the buttons.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's like it is like that.

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Speaker 1: You hold it and you push these buttons and you

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00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:56,160
Speaker 1: strum like so you don't have to like do your fingers.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, chords.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it takes a long time. The tune. Speaking of it,

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Speaker 1: Gillian Welsh, give me my auto harp tuner.

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Speaker 2: Back, please get our piano tune which is annoying. Oh yeah,

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00:56:09,360 --> 00:56:10,160
Speaker 2: does it's like think?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think, oh my god.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we'll look.

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Speaker 4: Well, make sure you're not around when they do that.

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Speaker 2: I try not to be. But it's like I make

1368
00:56:19,200 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 2: a plan there, we'll be there between one and f

1369
00:56:21,400 --> 00:56:22,080
Speaker 2: and I'll be there.

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Speaker 1: I'll get the surgeons shoes and I will buy myself

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Speaker 1: a new closet after your piano's tuned.

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Speaker 2: All right, Look, everybody go and follow on Instagram Amanda

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Speaker 2: Pearl Shires, that's her name. There. What are you doing

1374
00:56:32,960 --> 00:56:34,759
Speaker 2: on TikTok? Do you do? Do you play it?

1375
00:56:34,760 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 3: I haven't seen your TikTok? Do you do anything?

1376
00:56:36,680 --> 00:56:38,760
Speaker 1: I don't really. I tried to do it because everybody

1377
00:56:38,840 --> 00:56:41,319
Speaker 1: said to do it. It just I'm just not good

1378
00:56:41,320 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: at all that, Like I can't find enough time.

1379
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Speaker 4: To do that.

1380
00:56:43,560 --> 00:56:48,000
Speaker 1: And you know, play my ancient fiddle, you know, Okay,

1381
00:56:49,520 --> 00:56:51,799
Speaker 1: back in the closet playing for sake and lover. What

1382
00:56:51,840 --> 00:56:53,280
Speaker 1: am I supposed to be doing on TikTok?

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Speaker 3: What's the oldest fiddle you have?

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Speaker 1: It's just the only one I have. It's not old

1385
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Speaker 1: anymore though. My old one died in an accident on stage.

1386
00:57:00,440 --> 00:57:02,880
Speaker 1: But the one I have currently is made by Jeffrey Allison,

1387
00:57:02,920 --> 00:57:07,000
Speaker 1: who is a luthier that joined the army to His

1388
00:57:07,080 --> 00:57:09,800
Speaker 1: plan was to go and learn how to make fiddles

1389
00:57:09,840 --> 00:57:11,399
Speaker 1: and stuff in Germany and all that. But he got

1390
00:57:11,400 --> 00:57:17,880
Speaker 1: sent them, you know, to the sands and started carving

1391
00:57:17,880 --> 00:57:22,880
Speaker 1: and making fiddles and transporting them and humbies and such. Anyway,

1392
00:57:22,880 --> 00:57:27,040
Speaker 1: he came back and makes fiddles, And mine is a

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Speaker 1: Jeffrey Allison fiddle.

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Speaker 4: It's maybe twenty years old, but I love it really.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's my buddy.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming by, everybody check out loving you.

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Speaker 2: I'm a big fan.

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00:57:36,400 --> 00:57:37,840
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. I'm a big fan.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't believe that you have to. It's almost

1400
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,160
Speaker 2: like when someone goes Hey, nice to meet you. Have

1401
00:57:41,160 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 2: to nice to meet you back, even though maybe it

1402
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:43,400
Speaker 2: wasn't nice to meet them.

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00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:45,840
Speaker 1: But after this conversation, I feel like we have a

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Speaker 1: lot of things in common.

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00:57:46,680 --> 00:57:48,160
Speaker 2: I feel like we have a lot of the common too.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, so, how are you at swimming?

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00:57:50,960 --> 00:57:51,400
Speaker 2: Well?

1408
00:57:52,040 --> 00:57:52,760
Speaker 3: It depends.

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00:57:53,120 --> 00:57:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I grew up in lakes.

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00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:55,720
Speaker 1: Huh.

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00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:58,680
Speaker 2: But I'd done a couple of trithlon's like Alympic triathlons,

1412
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,720
Speaker 2: but I wouldn'tayd a, it's swimmer.

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00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 4: I'm not either. I can't do the overhanded thing.

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00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:05,760
Speaker 2: I can tread water for a long time.

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00:58:05,840 --> 00:58:06,160
Speaker 4: Me too.

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00:58:06,440 --> 00:58:07,360
Speaker 2: They can jump off a dock.

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00:58:07,840 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 4: I can do that too.

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00:58:08,840 --> 00:58:11,680
Speaker 2: See that's what I'm talking about. Yeah, so, and both

1419
00:58:11,720 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 2: of us have stopped smoking weed.

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00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:17,960
Speaker 1: Yes that's you never started, but exactly you stop thinking

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Speaker 1: about it.

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Speaker 2: Are you? Guys? Go follow Amanda and check out the record.

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Speaker 2: Loving you, Amanda. Great to see you, Great to see

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Speaker 2: you too. I love this episode of The Bobby Cast.

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