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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, do you have a problem. Hey, if

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Speaker 1: snow White is not white, welcome to this episode of

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Speaker 1: Amy and TJ. What is the big Well, Robes, this

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Speaker 1: is a huge, big production this week, the big movie

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Speaker 1: coming out Snow White with a character that is not

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Speaker 2: You had a problem, And do you know what? I

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Speaker 2: hesitate because I feel like, yes.

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Speaker 1: And no, it's not black or white.

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Speaker 2: That is actually the truth, you know, because it isn't

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Speaker 2: that simple, and a lot of it for me is

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Speaker 2: the why behind it. And yeah, yeah, and also look,

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Speaker 2: I think we all agree, everyone agrees there needs to

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Speaker 2: But I'm all for creating these new stories. And if

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Speaker 2: you want to tell stories of female empowerment and showing

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Speaker 2: and that's awesome. Who wouldn't love that? But rewriting and

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Speaker 2: changing and you're just going to cause controversy, You're going

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Speaker 2: to piss people off. And I just don't know why

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Speaker 2: it's necessary to retell old stories and change them and

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Speaker 2: then expect people to embrace them.

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Speaker 1: See that is where okay to that point, So let's

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Speaker 1: just stick with snow White. We have, there's plenty to

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Speaker 1: If you change and again, Rachel Zeckler is the lead

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Speaker 1: character here. She's playing snow white, young lady of Polish

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Speaker 1: and Columbian descent. I got that right, But no, her

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Speaker 1: skin is not white as snow. This has been going

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Speaker 1: on for years. When he announced she was the lead character,

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Speaker 1: people took issue with Disney. People took issue with her.

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Speaker 1: She was the lot of hate was directed her way,

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Speaker 1: certainly unfairly.

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Speaker 2: She was a breakout star, a young star for being

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Speaker 2: cast in Steven Spielberg's rendition remake of West Side Story,

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Speaker 2: where she played Maria, a girl of Hispanic descent. That

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Speaker 2: makes perfect sense. She was perfectly cast for that role.

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Speaker 2: She's an amazing talent, incredible voice, and she fit the

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Speaker 1: Okay, So she comes along. Of course, a lot of

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Speaker 1: people just upset, why do you have to take this story?

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Speaker 1: And when Disney announced they're doing a live action version.

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Speaker 1: Why do you have to take this lead character and

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Speaker 1: make her something other than what we know her as

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Speaker 1: just stick with that initial thing. Should snow white ever

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Speaker 2: I don't know the answer to that. I really don't.

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Speaker 2: I just I don't like the idea of them doing

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Speaker 2: I think there was incredible success. We talked about this

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Speaker 1: Chosen deliberately placating. Is that yes?

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Speaker 2: And I think that is what's irritating.

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Speaker 1: Okay, plenty of people they could have chosen. Here'sn't a

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Speaker 1: What if they were I don't know this, No one

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Speaker 1: do not know that. I don't know when Disney first

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Speaker 1: We don't know that was said. Was it open to everybody?

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Speaker 2: no one's said that. And I just wonder how deliberate

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Speaker 2: obviously we know this was a character that was specifically

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Speaker 1: Having a non white snow and white does it? No

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Speaker 1: Does this widen that full of inspiration? I think a

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Speaker 1: obviously they are, and that controversy has been out there

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Speaker 2: What I hadn't realized until I really started digging a

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Speaker 1: Okay, she's twenty three, is you know, so a lot

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Speaker 1: First of all, those are the three things your publicists say,

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Speaker 2: So where do you want to do? You want to

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Speaker 1: What, you know, what I was the comments. Let me

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Speaker 2: Help correct So she well, first of all, the first

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Speaker 2: her way, as she said. Then she said, speaking of

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Speaker 2: my principle come. She's dreaming about the leader. She knows

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Speaker 1: So Prince Charming is his name? Yes?

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Speaker 1: Is this the right guy?

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Speaker 1: Okay, he's a stalker, That's what she said. We have

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Speaker 2: Do you know what? This reminds me of a beloved

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Speaker 1: So now those were tough, Well, those were tough. It

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Speaker 1: almost sounds as if and you and I have been

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Speaker 1: watching this a lot recently, guy, in anticipation. We've been

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Speaker 2: if you can tell me why, then that's fine.

438
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Speaker 1: But not just a reimagining. Is that enough?

439
00:22:46,280 --> 00:22:49,959
Speaker 2: I just would prefer another story to be told, a

440
00:22:50,000 --> 00:22:52,119
Speaker 2: different story to be told. I don't know why we

441
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Speaker 2: have to to rewrite.

442
00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:57,080
Speaker 1: Was that one different enough? It was Jamie Foxx playing

443
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Speaker 1: the billionaire in town.

444
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Speaker 2: Daddy Warbucks. I actually so, I saw that on Broadway

445
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:03,680
Speaker 2: and I thought it was amazing. So I was actually

446
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,439
Speaker 2: gonna say Daddy Warbucks didn't. But Annie and her iconic

447
00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,680
Speaker 2: red hair with a there's just something about that look,

448
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:13,800
Speaker 2: you know what. I did see it on Broadway and

449
00:23:14,080 --> 00:23:16,720
Speaker 2: it didn't bother me at all. But I can understand

450
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:19,560
Speaker 2: why it sometimes rubs people the wrong way because they're

451
00:23:19,600 --> 00:23:22,720
Speaker 2: wondering if you're doing it just to do it, just

452
00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 2: to get the controversial comments, just to get people to

453
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Speaker 2: watch it. But if there's good that comes from it,

454
00:23:27,840 --> 00:23:31,159
Speaker 2: what harm did it actually do? Not very much? You know,

455
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Speaker 2: That's how I look at it.

456
00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,080
Speaker 1: Y Are Shahiti played tinker Bell in a recent Peter

457
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Speaker 1: Pan and Wendy, a remake of a classic. Michael B.

458
00:23:38,040 --> 00:23:43,720
Speaker 1: Jordan played Johnny Storm Fantastic Four, historically been a white character. Now,

459
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Speaker 1: there was an updated Scooby Doo that was on HBO

460
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Speaker 1: Max that Minnie Kling was behind and it was called Velma,

461
00:23:53,320 --> 00:23:55,040
Speaker 1: and so it was the whole crew together, but the

462
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: crew did look like the crew that we grew up

463
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Speaker 1: with on Scooby Doo. Velma is act actually bisexual and

464
00:24:02,040 --> 00:24:07,120
Speaker 1: of South Asian descent. Shaggy is now a black man,

465
00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 1: and then one other character is Asian, I believe as well.

466
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Speaker 1: Now to diversify that crew, that's an iconic crew for

467
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Speaker 1: all of us coming up, Scoofy, Shaggy for that crew,

468
00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:23,640
Speaker 1: love Love Love. Do you update it for a new generation?

469
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Speaker 1: Does it matter? I haven't seen the show so I

470
00:24:26,440 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: can't say what those roles play into their characters.

471
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Speaker 2: And the way for me, having a new round, a

472
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Speaker 2: new generation love the same type of goofy storytelling that

473
00:24:35,320 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 2: was silly, family fun does not bother me at all

474
00:24:37,320 --> 00:24:40,800
Speaker 2: of the If the new characters, yeah they're not going

475
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:43,520
Speaker 2: back and doing the same episodes and redoing them, but

476
00:24:43,600 --> 00:24:46,480
Speaker 2: just switching out skin tones. That feels strange, but yeah,

477
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:49,200
Speaker 2: when you're retelling it and you've got it, so you're

478
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:53,760
Speaker 2: getting an entire new generation to see different stories. I'm

479
00:24:53,760 --> 00:24:58,520
Speaker 2: sure there are slightly different scenarios. If it weren't for

480
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: those what are they meddling kids, I would have gotten

481
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Speaker 2: away with it. I'm sure hopefully they can. Honestly, I'd

482
00:25:04,040 --> 00:25:06,120
Speaker 2: be more upset if they somehow took that line out.

483
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,879
Speaker 1: I'm not sure that it is. So if you close

484
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:11,959
Speaker 1: it to your point, it just closed your eyes and

485
00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: everybody can imagine the crew from Scooby Doo yep, now

486
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Speaker 1: Shaggy just make them black, Just color them in black

487
00:25:21,520 --> 00:25:25,000
Speaker 1: and give them a fade like that type of thing.

488
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,440
Speaker 1: Just putting the color on top, doesn't it feels inauthentical.

489
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Speaker 1: You have to have a good story. So yes, it

490
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:32,720
Speaker 1: was a retelling to your point, which makes more sense

491
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Speaker 1: to you.

492
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Speaker 2: And so I think that is what Disney was trying

493
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Speaker 2: to do with this snow White, because they did change

494
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:42,800
Speaker 2: the story slightly. They did take out snow White and

495
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Speaker 2: the Seven Dwarves, which is what it was originally called,

496
00:25:45,320 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 2: correct and now it's just snow White. So they did

497
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Speaker 2: say it was a retelling, and perhaps in that vein

498
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Speaker 2: with exactly the argument we are making, I guess they're saying, see,

499
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Speaker 2: that's what we were doing. That's what we are doing.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So yes, if that is what they're doing, and

501
00:26:09,520 --> 00:26:12,680
Speaker 1: they're trying to open this up and show change the

502
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:16,240
Speaker 1: story a little bit and have it more about empowerment

503
00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:18,320
Speaker 1: and female empowerment and not having to be saved by

504
00:26:18,359 --> 00:26:21,200
Speaker 1: a prince and all these things, and they're going to

505
00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:27,160
Speaker 1: make no ideaverse. But Peter Dinkledge says, wait a minute, Disney,

506
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Speaker 1: then why the hell did you do this to the

507
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Speaker 1: Seven Dwarfs.

508
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Speaker 2: So there are two issues with the Seven Dwarfs. First,

509
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Speaker 2: they didn't use little people, so they didn't use actual actors.

510
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:44,400
Speaker 2: They used CGI. So there are plenty of little people

511
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Speaker 2: who are in acting who are available. You couldn't find

512
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:55,120
Speaker 2: seven amazing little people who can act to actually give

513
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Speaker 2: them roles, iconic roles that they were literally meant to play.

514
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Speaker 1: You just broke my heart. I didn't think about it

515
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 1: that way. There's gotta be a shortage of roles already

516
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,720
Speaker 1: for them. Yes, this is one where there are seven

517
00:27:09,880 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: there are star seven starring roles, and we don't want

518
00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 1: you all for any of them. I'm thinking about it

519
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,439
Speaker 1: that way. This would not just because those are a

520
00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:21,320
Speaker 1: lot of options, seven roles available, but it's on the

521
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: biggest stage possible. What that could have meant exactly?

522
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Speaker 2: So that was to me, that's a huge missed opportunity,

523
00:27:27,920 --> 00:27:31,560
Speaker 2: and that was a huge part of Yes, some of

524
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 2: the criticism, but it's not just that. And Peter Dinklage,

525
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:37,720
Speaker 2: I love this man. I mean he is one of

526
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 2: the most brilliant actors ever, I believe, not just because

527
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:44,480
Speaker 2: I love Game of Thrones, but he's just please, elf,

528
00:27:44,560 --> 00:27:46,479
Speaker 2: I don't even get me started. I love Peter ding.

529
00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: I'm never gonna get you started on that man.

530
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,399
Speaker 2: Oh he's an angry ye okay, sorry, what's the one

531
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,600
Speaker 2: about the meat in the chair. He's like, you're not Santa,

532
00:27:56,040 --> 00:27:56,840
Speaker 2: you smell like meat.

533
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Speaker 1: And cheese, you sit on a throne. That's the one.

534
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:03,520
Speaker 2: Yes. Anyway, I sorry that will say that for a

535
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:06,560
Speaker 2: Christmas episode. But so the other thing is, this is

536
00:28:06,560 --> 00:28:08,719
Speaker 2: what Peter Dinkliche said. He said, you know, so if

537
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: you're talking about the film and it's heroin being modernized,

538
00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,280
Speaker 2: the fact that you still have seven dwarves with names

539
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,560
Speaker 2: like Dopey, you know that has to be questioned as well.

540
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,080
Speaker 2: So I'm going to quote Peter Dinklisch there. He said,

541
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Speaker 2: I was a little taken aback. They were very proud

542
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,880
Speaker 2: to cast a Latina actress a snow White, but you're

543
00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,880
Speaker 2: still telling the story of snow White and the seven Dwarves.

544
00:28:31,119 --> 00:28:33,040
Speaker 2: Take a step back and look at what you're doing there.

545
00:28:33,080 --> 00:28:36,200
Speaker 2: It makes no sense to me. You're progressive in one way,

546
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:40,640
Speaker 2: but you're still making that looking backward story about seven

547
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 2: dwarves living in a cave together. Have I done nothing

548
00:28:43,600 --> 00:28:46,440
Speaker 2: to advance the cause? From my soapbox? I guess I'm

549
00:28:46,480 --> 00:28:47,360
Speaker 2: not loud enough.

550
00:28:47,520 --> 00:28:53,240
Speaker 1: Wow, I mean from him, Okay, I mean, how you

551
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:55,719
Speaker 1: take issue with that? And I didn't think about it

552
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,480
Speaker 1: that way until I actually ended up seeing his comments.

553
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Speaker 1: That's devastating.

554
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,360
Speaker 2: You can't modernize one group and say we're woke on

555
00:29:03,400 --> 00:29:07,600
Speaker 2: this issue. But you know what, the other big part

556
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:11,000
Speaker 2: of this story, we're not even gonna give you acting roles,

557
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:15,160
Speaker 2: and we're gonna still have you called dopey and grumpy

558
00:29:15,320 --> 00:29:17,880
Speaker 2: and so like. If you're gonna change the story, it's

559
00:29:17,880 --> 00:29:20,240
Speaker 2: a slippery slope because if you're gonna try to make

560
00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 2: one character or some characters look better in the world

561
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,720
Speaker 2: we live in and empower them, but you don't do

562
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:31,479
Speaker 2: that for another huge part of the story, which happens

563
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 2: to be a very marginalized community who has overlooked in

564
00:29:35,040 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 2: so many ways and completely overlook them while making this film.

565
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,200
Speaker 2: That's hard to defend.

566
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Speaker 1: You to that even I think they did. I can't

567
00:29:44,760 --> 00:29:47,200
Speaker 1: remember the actors. I'm trying to look it up here,

568
00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 1: but he is a little person who did some voice work.

569
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: I believe you know what I'm talking about, all I do.

570
00:29:53,400 --> 00:29:56,400
Speaker 1: He was upset about a lot of the premieres and

571
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 1: a lot of things being canceled because of controversy, and

572
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:02,000
Speaker 1: again they didn't get the role in the movie. But

573
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:03,920
Speaker 1: now here's an opportunity to walk a red carpet, to

574
00:30:03,920 --> 00:30:05,520
Speaker 1: be out there to talk about it and they're not

575
00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:11,959
Speaker 1: getting that opportunity either. That's that's Peter Dinklis. He is

576
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:13,840
Speaker 1: he is, Yes, he is the one. He has been

577
00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:17,440
Speaker 1: out there. But to his point, are certain people screaming

578
00:30:17,560 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 1: louder than others? Are certain people's voices being value? The

579
00:30:21,320 --> 00:30:22,400
Speaker 1: answer is yes.

580
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:25,200
Speaker 2: The answer is yes, and certain voices are heard more

581
00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 2: than others, and you are. I mean, I think that

582
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 2: he just nailed it when he said that.

583
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:35,440
Speaker 1: So I don't know before all of this we've been

584
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,280
Speaker 1: talking about several weeks. Now that's coming out. I don't

585
00:30:38,360 --> 00:30:40,440
Speaker 1: know if it would have been on my list of

586
00:30:40,480 --> 00:30:43,440
Speaker 1: things to watch, but it might be now out of

587
00:30:43,520 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: curiosity and quite frankly, I hear the movie is good,

588
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: like it's a great Disney spectacle. They know how to

589
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:50,800
Speaker 1: put on a movie like.

590
00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: This, and Rachel Zegler can sing, oh there's talent, she

591
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: can say beyond how did you find? Oh? Yes, I

592
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 2: do so. The little person who he was on one

593
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 2: hand defending Disney because he said it gave him his life,

594
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 2: it gave him his career and he was able at

595
00:31:05,960 --> 00:31:12,840
Speaker 2: least to voice grumpy. His name is Martin Klebba and

596
00:31:13,000 --> 00:31:14,880
Speaker 2: he was in the Pirates of the Caribbean. So he's

597
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 2: done a lot of work with Disney, so he didn't

598
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,720
Speaker 2: want to throw them under the bus, so to speak.

599
00:31:20,840 --> 00:31:22,840
Speaker 1: But and folks, you know his face. As soon as

600
00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: you see him, you say, oh, yeah, you can't remember

601
00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,040
Speaker 1: what he was in, but he was very prominently featured

602
00:31:27,080 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 1: in the.

603
00:31:27,840 --> 00:31:30,960
Speaker 2: Parts of the Caribbean. Yes, so you know, he just said, yeah,

604
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: you could have tried to find seven little people, and

605
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 2: he you know, so it's hard to not say you

606
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: can't say that they couldn't have. Of course they could have,

607
00:31:39,640 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 2: and they chose not to. That was a decision. So

608
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:46,320
Speaker 2: that's you know, there are just we were starting down

609
00:31:46,840 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 2: this podcast path by saying, okay, wow, is it okay

610
00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:53,240
Speaker 2: to have snow White not be white? And then you

611
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:56,360
Speaker 2: start looking at all the other controversies. This has been

612
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: a lightning rod and it's coming at it from so

613
00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:03,120
Speaker 2: many different places. I have a question for you. It

614
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,320
Speaker 2: just dawned on me while we were talking snow White

615
00:32:05,320 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 2: being played by a Latina actress, and people are that's controversial, right,

616
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:12,840
Speaker 2: Could snow White be played by a black actress?

617
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Speaker 1: Yes?

618
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Speaker 2: Would it be? Would the controversy be any different?

619
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Speaker 1: I very similar? Certainly intense, but I think it would

620
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:32,280
Speaker 1: be intense from two sides, right. I think we are

621
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Speaker 1: just there's a dearth of roles for black folks in

622
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 1: these very prominent ways. Now, I am I would be

623
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:42,160
Speaker 1: more on board if it was a black actress and

624
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:46,160
Speaker 1: there's a retelling I am putting a black one. I

625
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:48,720
Speaker 1: am very glad it's not a black woman that's being

626
00:32:49,080 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: put in this role right now. A retelling. And we

627
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:53,160
Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier. We haven't said it yet

628
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,760
Speaker 1: before we started Brandy Cinerelli playing Cinderella. Yes, it was

629
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Speaker 1: a black Cinderella, but the whole story.

630
00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:05,160
Speaker 2: Rudy Houston was the fairy Godmother and they retold it

631
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 2: and it came from a black lens, and so it

632
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: made sense to cast.

633
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Speaker 1: Black brothers Wizard of the Wiz the Wiz best favor

634
00:33:14,200 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 1: again telling it's a retelling of the story. So no,

635
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Speaker 1: I don't just want to see a black actress there.

636
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,479
Speaker 2: The music was changed, the cultural significance of it all

637
00:33:23,520 --> 00:33:26,680
Speaker 2: a shame, so it made sense. It didn't feel inauthentic.

638
00:33:26,840 --> 00:33:30,800
Speaker 2: It was an authentic retelling of a parallel story. And

639
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:34,080
Speaker 2: I think that's super cool, and I think that's an

640
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 2: awesome thing for everyone to see and witness.

641
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Speaker 1: There's a do you know there was a Rapunzel coming,

642
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 1: There's a Tangled. They're doing a live action version, and

643
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:47,480
Speaker 1: this young lady just believe Indian actress in the American

644
00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: I believe I have that right. Just her being rumored,

645
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Speaker 1: everybody came after her, just being rumored possibly to be

646
00:33:55,360 --> 00:34:00,240
Speaker 1: a part of Rapunzel Entangled. People came after her.

647
00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 2: Well, that's not kind or fair at all. That's terrible

648
00:34:04,920 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 2: and awful. Again, I do believe that is the role

649
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 2: of an actor to assume different characters and different roles

650
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 2: and make them your own. And I think that's one

651
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Speaker 2: of the cool things about the art and craft of acting.

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Speaker 2: But I do think that when you do and when

653
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:22,640
Speaker 2: you're a company and you make a choice to remake

654
00:34:22,680 --> 00:34:27,839
Speaker 2: a traditional story, and especially something like snow White, you're

655
00:34:27,920 --> 00:34:32,200
Speaker 2: going to have to expect people to be upset when

656
00:34:32,239 --> 00:34:34,720
Speaker 2: you change it so much that it doesn't even maybe

657
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:37,040
Speaker 2: feel like the original, and yet you're trying to tell

658
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 2: an original story. It's not the Whiz, it's not Brandy sindirect.

659
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,359
Speaker 2: It's that those are yes, those are very different. Now

660
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 2: we haven't seen snow White and we were going to

661
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Speaker 2: see it correct. I think we have to know.

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00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:52,919
Speaker 1: This has nothing to do about a criticism of the movie,

663
00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:56,719
Speaker 1: nothing at all. This is just this debate that continues

664
00:34:56,760 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 1: to happen and probably will continue to happen, that it's

665
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 1: okay we hate to leave a white character white, and

666
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 1: it's also sometimes okay to make that white character not

667
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,760
Speaker 1: white anymore. It really is a case by case basis,

668
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:12,759
Speaker 1: but sometimes it feels like forced diversity. You don't like that.

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00:35:12,920 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 1: I don't like that. I don't like this push. And

670
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,319
Speaker 1: if you're just putting a black character up there, and

671
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,640
Speaker 1: then every producer, every writer, every grip guy, everybody on

672
00:35:22,800 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: set is still majority white, you're not diversifying anything. You're

673
00:35:26,719 --> 00:35:28,640
Speaker 1: just trying to make people out there think you're diverse.

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00:35:28,880 --> 00:35:29,719
Speaker 1: I ain't on board with that.

675
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:30,520
Speaker 2: It's patronizing.

676
00:35:30,600 --> 00:35:33,840
Speaker 1: Yes, that doesn't feel good, but this will continue to

677
00:35:33,840 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 1: come up.

678
00:35:35,120 --> 00:35:38,919
Speaker 2: And who Like we were just in La we saw

679
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 2: the protests around the you know, the skilled back.

680
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:45,960
Speaker 1: We didn't need Opening night.

681
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 2: We didn't even know because.

682
00:35:47,600 --> 00:35:50,840
Speaker 1: It was blocked off with these huge bushes. You couldn't

683
00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:53,759
Speaker 1: even tell that there was a premiere happening. Yes, all

684
00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:56,400
Speaker 1: the stars we walked right past where it was happening.

685
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:57,440
Speaker 2: Had no idea.

686
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: Because the only reason we had a general idea is

687
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 1: because there were protess on the corner.

688
00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:05,960
Speaker 2: So it's been you know, massively scaled back. And then

689
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:10,200
Speaker 2: we saw gal Gado getting her star. We saw them

690
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 2: literally buffing it. We were walking by, and then we

691
00:36:13,560 --> 00:36:15,280
Speaker 2: saw them set up the tents as we were leaving

692
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 2: for her big moment, her big star on the Hollywood

693
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,239
Speaker 2: Walk of Fame. But so that controversy was so fresh

694
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 2: in my mind because we were hearing about the Palestinian

695
00:36:25,960 --> 00:36:30,919
Speaker 2: conflict with Hamas and Gaza. But when you really start

696
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,239
Speaker 2: taking a look at this movie, it has It has

697
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 2: been under fire for years now.

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00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,279
Speaker 1: And that's too bad because a lot of people did

699
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:43,000
Speaker 1: good work on this movie for sure, and again from

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00:36:43,080 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: all accounts, it is a good movie.

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00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: It'll be interesting to see how it does.

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00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:51,600
Speaker 1: Go up for it is the thing. It's gotten me interested.

703
00:36:51,640 --> 00:36:53,680
Speaker 1: I'm curious to see it now. I wouldn't have gone.

704
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: I'm just not my jam.

705
00:36:56,440 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: I am so excited. You're gonna go see it with me?

706
00:36:58,400 --> 00:37:00,920
Speaker 1: Oh my goodness, No, we're in Okay, call him up.

707
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,080
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to go see it. But are people going

708
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:07,080
Speaker 1: to now go see it because of the controversy. Are

709
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,000
Speaker 1: people going to sit out because of the controversy? Do

710
00:37:10,040 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: you think any little white girl is looking at this now? Oh,

711
00:37:13,040 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 1: she's not white anymore. I'm not interested.

712
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 2: No, I don't think so. I don't think that's going

713
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 2: to stop any little girl. And frankly, as a mom

714
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 2: my girls are grown, but that would never ever say

715
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,279
Speaker 2: they aren't telling the story right, Nah, But I think

716
00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:31,680
Speaker 2: there is some eye rolling and we'll know how people

717
00:37:31,719 --> 00:37:35,760
Speaker 2: feel when we see what this opening weekend ends up being.

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00:37:36,239 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 1: Well, we've had actually all day today as we're recording here,

719
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 1: we're in the living room and we have had Snow

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00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 1: White on, had it playing on the original y is

721
00:37:46,600 --> 00:37:50,680
Speaker 1: the original just during the day. There's still something about it. Yes,

722
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:53,280
Speaker 1: obviously there were issues with it, but there's still something

723
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:56,120
Speaker 1: nostalgic about it. It makes you go just ah, I just

724
00:37:56,200 --> 00:37:58,720
Speaker 1: look up and see grumpy and whistle.

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00:37:58,760 --> 00:37:59,440
Speaker 2: Why you work?

726
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:05,160
Speaker 1: I mean, there's something about it that still brings true

727
00:38:05,160 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 1: to your heart, makes you smile.

728
00:38:06,880 --> 00:38:10,440
Speaker 2: It's nostalgia. It's your childhood's We all grew up watching

729
00:38:10,480 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 2: it and singing it. And you know what, maybe this

730
00:38:14,640 --> 00:38:19,080
Speaker 2: new movie will have a whole new generation loving it

731
00:38:19,080 --> 00:38:22,279
Speaker 2: for lots of different reasons, and us old people can

732
00:38:22,400 --> 00:38:24,160
Speaker 2: just go away.

733
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:29,560
Speaker 1: And shut up. Old people go away to shut up.

734
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Speaker 1: Now we will go see it, probably won't come back

735
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:33,560
Speaker 1: and do a review, but we kind of want to

736
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:36,160
Speaker 1: intentionally talk about this before we went to see it,

737
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,440
Speaker 1: so we wouldn't have been because we're gonna love Rachel

738
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,640
Speaker 1: in it, and then we would come back and say, well,

739
00:38:40,640 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 1: I'm sure she didn't mean to sing that, okay, but

740
00:38:43,960 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: we wanted to get this out ahead of time, so

741
00:38:46,560 --> 00:38:48,879
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Watch it if you want to enjoy it.

742
00:38:49,960 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 1: But for now I'm teaching.

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00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:52,800
Speaker 2: And I'm Amy. Thanks for listening.

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Speaker 1: Put the Guts