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Speaker 1: So the first question we asked everybody who come on

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Speaker 1: the show is when you first got to the league,

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Speaker 1: who was the first person to bust your ass?

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Speaker 2: Let me hear it.

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Speaker 3: You know what it's crazy is I don't know who

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Speaker 3: if he was the first, but somebody who busted my

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Speaker 3: ass every time with Sam, I am Sam, and we

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Speaker 3: always have our scouting course and the way you talk

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Speaker 3: where Coach Slan was like everybody had somebody that's assigned

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Speaker 3: for the scout right or you would have to before

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Speaker 3: the game basically go over to the scouting port, tell

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Speaker 3: them what your what their tendency is. You had to

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Speaker 3: memorize this stuff. And so the one thing that they

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Speaker 3: had in there, do not fall for his pump thing.

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Speaker 4: I don't know.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if y'all play golf. The same thing

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Speaker 3: with golf, when you say don't hit it in the water,

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Speaker 3: don't hit in the water. Chances are you gonna hit

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Speaker 3: in the water?

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Speaker 5: Man?

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Speaker 2: Listen.

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Speaker 3: I was in fould trouble every game I played sam

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Speaker 3: My rookie year and his pump fake is back to

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Speaker 3: the basket game.

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Speaker 5: Just yo yo yo Live on location, Me and the

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Speaker 5: blackest one out here in Orlando, still staying.

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Speaker 2: I asked at home.

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Speaker 5: This week, we got a two time Olympian gold medalist,

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Speaker 5: a legend in this game. Did big boy things, big

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Speaker 5: boy numbers? Put it on your favorite point guard. Please

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Speaker 5: believe it. We got Darren don't call me Duran Williams

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Speaker 5: in the building.

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Speaker 4: From Parkersburg, West Virginia. I didn't even know then.

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Speaker 1: They say you down there, say you down there? Wrestling

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Speaker 1: and stuff at birth? So how was that growing up

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Speaker 1: in Pottsburg, West Virginia.

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Speaker 4: You know, started off wrest is.

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Speaker 3: So I only lived in parkers I was born in Parkersburg,

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Speaker 3: lived in Williams Town, West Virginia's population like two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Everybody knew everybody.

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Speaker 3: Everybody knew everybody. But my cond wasn't common there. Let's

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Speaker 3: just say that, right, And so we ended up moving.

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Speaker 3: My dad was actually from Pittsburgh and my mom, my

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Speaker 3: I ended up moving to Dallas when I was four.

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Speaker 3: I don't know what I think. My uncle wresselled, you know,

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Speaker 3: growing up, and he wrestled in the army and she

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Speaker 3: came out, she said, she came out one day and

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Speaker 3: asked me if I wanted to wrestle, and I was like,

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Speaker 3: all right, four years old, I don't know no better.

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Speaker 2: I was like all right.

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Speaker 3: So she signed me up and I went out there

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Speaker 3: my first match against a dude that, like all his

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Speaker 2: Family man.

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Speaker 3: Kid Man put me on the ground so quick, pinned

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Speaker 3: me and I was crying. The rest of that year.

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Speaker 3: I cried every she would have to drag me on

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Speaker 3: pay for this. Mena need to wait to finish it,

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Speaker 3: and so you're gonna finish. And she literally dragged me

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Speaker 3: and I basically went out there and got my ass

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Speaker 3: well every match, and then the whole year, and then

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Speaker 3: the next summer she she asked me again if I

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Speaker 3: whole different story from that from that moment on that

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Speaker 3: some I don't know, something clicked, but that's how I

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Speaker 3: of basketball. Once I got to high school, same season.

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Speaker 3: You can't do both? Was you crazy into w W

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Speaker 5: W W H Yeah you like now that.

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Speaker 2: I don't watching it.

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Speaker 6: I can't even watch it now. I think it's it's

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Speaker 4: I hated KD. I used to be prepared every Monday

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Speaker 1: Man like oh man man. I used to be like

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Speaker 1: where did it go?

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Speaker 4: What did it?

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Speaker 2: Love?

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Speaker 4: I gotta send y'all.

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Speaker 3: I was Mocho man, A couple of hongds ago. I

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Speaker 3: got to send you all a costume went all out forever.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I definitely got to see that. And the craziest

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Speaker 5: this is just real. The network's going across and other.

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Speaker 4: I gotta NWR shirt and uh in the closet right now? Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Everybody joined that.

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Speaker 4: Joe, they was loaded screen tank.

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Speaker 5: So tell me this, how was it when you know,

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Speaker 5: you moved like you said, were in West Virginia, where

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Speaker 5: you know, your kind isn't really accepted. How was it

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Speaker 5: How was that culture shock to you to be you know,

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, I'm so young that I didn't

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Speaker 3: thinking about it, So I didn't really know. It wasn't

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Speaker 3: so I actually would go back every summer with my grandparents.

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Speaker 3: As soon as like school was over. They would drive

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Speaker 3: And I did that every summer until eighth grade, because

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Speaker 3: you know, when you gave the grade, you're like, man,

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Speaker 3: I won't to get all my friends, Like even though I.

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Speaker 6: Had friends there, it wasn't the same.

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Speaker 3: And it wasn't to them later years that I started

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Speaker 3: realizing stuff like, oh yeah, I am I am different

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Speaker 6: He didn't he was kind of.

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Speaker 3: And I remember him saying little stuff to me when

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Speaker 6: I mean, that was the biggest.

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Speaker 5: From a kid, like in seventh eighth grade, being that young, Like,

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Speaker 5: how was that for you to see like that was

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I mean.

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Speaker 2: It's it's tough.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's it's tough, and it's tougher now to

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Speaker 3: think about when you when you look back and you

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Speaker 3: Actually he started turning the corner once I think, I

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Speaker 3: you know, the corner. But at the same time, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's it's uh, it's just frustrating to see

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Speaker 1: So when did you start putting the ball in your head?

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Speaker 1: Like who brought the ball to you? Since she was

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Speaker 1: in wrestling, like I brought it to you, Like.

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Speaker 3: My mom played. My mom played in college, she played

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Speaker 3: And I didn't really grow up my dad, my mom,

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Speaker 3: she was always into basketball. My cousins who played college basketball,

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Speaker 4: And so I mean I got.

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Speaker 3: Pictures of me on a little two years old, you know,

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Speaker 6: I played everything growing up. Any you know, whatever the

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Speaker 3: That's how you know. I was just one of them kids.

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Speaker 3: Whatever the football season of football, soccer. I wanted to

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Speaker 3: to be a Mighty Duck. Basketball was always the one.

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Speaker 1: So when you got in high school, uh no, Like

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Speaker 1: when was it when you felt like and I'm the

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Speaker 2: You know.

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Speaker 3: For me, it was like, I think what made me

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Speaker 6: They put me on like their second third team.

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Speaker 3: You know, I'm being passed over for guys who didn't

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Speaker 3: She didn't want me to be out there scoring twenty

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Speaker 4: Could it been anybody else? While Illinois Why?

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Speaker 6: Illinois? Man?

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Speaker 3: So my senior year, my top five going into my

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Speaker 3: senior year was Illinois, Georgia Tech, Tennessee, I think Maryland.

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Speaker 6: I kind of in there. Down to four by then,

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Speaker 6: and nine to eleven.

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Speaker 3: Happened right before all the all my visits were supposed

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Speaker 3: to happen, so they all got postponed. So then I'm

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Speaker 3: supposed to go to Tennessee. And a week before I

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Speaker 3: go to Tennessee CJ. Watson Committee and then I'm supposed

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Speaker 3: to go to Georgia Tech the day I'm supposed to leave.

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Speaker 6: Jared Jack Committee.

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Speaker 2: Wow.

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Speaker 6: So then I'm sitting here. Illinois was always my number one.

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Speaker 3: They had Dee Brown already committed, and I'm like, why

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Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to play with this little dude he's

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Speaker 2: Like why?

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Speaker 6: Like he had I couldn't understand it. He was recruiting

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Speaker 3: He Dee was the one that really got me to

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Speaker 3: But all the guys, you know, Jarence Howard, he was

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Speaker 6: It is probably one of the best things ever happened

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Speaker 4: How was that talking about tap because I played aau Man.

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Speaker 1: I just know how Man just a great teammate, is

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Speaker 4: Like how was that to.

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Speaker 1: He wanted to, you know, help you transition, right, So

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Speaker 3: I think that de and I's freshman year because you know,

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Speaker 3: You never see any animosity out of him, Like I

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Speaker 4: They would have been a chance, like I get you

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Speaker 3: But I don't understand how yet you didn't have a

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Speaker 5: Tell me, how was it for you because from the

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Speaker 5: Like you said, I'm like the shot toown boys about

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Speaker 2: So from my wins, you came like out of nowhere,

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Speaker 2: No, you was controlling, and I was like, who is

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Speaker 5: He has he playing point in d Brown? I thought

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Speaker 6: I always use that stuff for motivation.

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Speaker 3: I remember after my freshman year, I loved the Big

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Speaker 1: Bruce, Well, what you learn from your freshman year, and

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Speaker 6: Yeah, honestly, we didn't click at first. We were struggling.

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Speaker 3: He was running the motion offense, and it was just

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Speaker 3: out there hooping. It's like almost like going to the

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Speaker 1: That backcourt that y'all got, like in the run that

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Speaker 6: In the tournament by the reps.

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Speaker 4: Let's say the reps.

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Speaker 5: Duke is always not always, but oftentimes on the placeable

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Speaker 1: Like, what what part of that year did you feel

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Speaker 4: It's a lot of repicks and all this stuff.

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Speaker 1: But I defeated in the Big ten, you know what

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Speaker 3: That to start the season, I wasn't on any of

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Speaker 6: Like as the year went on, you know, we beat

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Speaker 3: And then I think I was like second round and

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Speaker 3: I'm like, yeah, I don't get no better than this.

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Speaker 3: I never I never, I always hoped. I always felt

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sometimes, like when that journey, it'd be like it's unbelievable,

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Speaker 4: Telling how that game went.

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Speaker 6: Still haunts me. You know, it was it was a

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Speaker 3: I think the biggest thing that hurt us was James

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Speaker 3: It's hard to stop that, hard to stop that, you know.

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Speaker 6: We were playing all.

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Speaker 5: Definitely, How was it for you? Because like that's crazy

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Speaker 5: like complete one eddy from probably no calls to you

445
00:19:45,440 --> 00:19:48,440
Speaker 5: being like after that a top five pick. It had

446
00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:52,560
Speaker 5: to be interviews, magazines, people agents trying to get at you.

447
00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,760
Speaker 5: Like at what point for you did that happened? At

448
00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:56,800
Speaker 5: some point it exploded too?

449
00:19:57,640 --> 00:20:00,040
Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean it was definitely that last year. I

450
00:20:00,119 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 6: mean we.

451
00:20:03,280 --> 00:20:05,240
Speaker 3: Mean were number one since like the third game of

452
00:20:05,280 --> 00:20:08,159
Speaker 3: the season, and like I said, I just kept climbing

453
00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,120
Speaker 3: up those boards and you could see it. And then

454
00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,400
Speaker 3: you know, I was getting calls from people I didn't

455
00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:16,240
Speaker 3: even know. I had several you know, runners or whatever

456
00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:19,320
Speaker 3: contacted me. But my mom she don't play that, or no,

457
00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:22,199
Speaker 3: she don't play that, So I wouldn't entertain them. I

458
00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,040
Speaker 3: just said, I you know, I'll worry about that after

459
00:20:25,080 --> 00:20:30,920
Speaker 3: the season, and you know, definitely the media grew around us.

460
00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,480
Speaker 3: It was it just I feel like it happened so

461
00:20:33,640 --> 00:20:36,359
Speaker 3: fast that I really didn't have a chance to really

462
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:39,280
Speaker 3: reflect until it was done. It wasn't like a constant,

463
00:20:39,359 --> 00:20:41,760
Speaker 3: gradual build. It was kind of like, boom boom, boom boom.

464
00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:45,480
Speaker 6: This is just happened. It was also happened.

465
00:20:45,840 --> 00:20:48,000
Speaker 3: I'm just out there out there trying to win games,

466
00:20:48,000 --> 00:20:50,520
Speaker 3: and before you know it were you know, ten and

467
00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:54,639
Speaker 3: oh thirteen and oh twenty and oh is it just

468
00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:55,040
Speaker 3: it just.

469
00:20:55,000 --> 00:20:57,600
Speaker 4: Happened that way? Brow it up better?

470
00:20:59,840 --> 00:21:01,680
Speaker 6: When in that lasting against Carolina.

471
00:21:02,240 --> 00:21:05,720
Speaker 5: Tell me about once you declared, you know, okay, now

472
00:21:06,240 --> 00:21:08,840
Speaker 5: all right, I'm out of here. I'm going like, what

473
00:21:08,920 --> 00:21:12,000
Speaker 5: was that experience like following your decision to announce that

474
00:21:12,080 --> 00:21:14,720
Speaker 5: you coming out, You got to pick an agent, got

475
00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:15,199
Speaker 5: to do all that.

476
00:21:15,280 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 2: How did that process go for?

477
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 4: Yeah?

478
00:21:17,840 --> 00:21:21,840
Speaker 3: So, I mean in my mind, I was already like

479
00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:24,560
Speaker 3: I knew I was gonna leave before the season was over,

480
00:21:25,960 --> 00:21:28,280
Speaker 3: just because, like I said, I had already climbed top ten.

481
00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:31,120
Speaker 4: I'm like, yeah, you gotta all.

482
00:21:31,040 --> 00:21:35,040
Speaker 3: That's hot, right, Yeah. But after the season, you know,

483
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,639
Speaker 3: I talked to coach Weber. He's like, all right, well,

484
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,280
Speaker 3: let me talk to some people and make.

485
00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:41,480
Speaker 6: Sure find out what really is gonna happen.

486
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,040
Speaker 3: And so he came back like a week later, he's like, yeah,

487
00:21:45,080 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 3: you're gonna be top five, So I think you should leave.

488
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:50,560
Speaker 3: I think you need too. You know, like I said,

489
00:21:50,600 --> 00:21:52,600
Speaker 3: I had a baby, you know, she was almost two

490
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 3: at the time. My mom didn't have a job. She

491
00:21:56,880 --> 00:22:00,600
Speaker 3: was she had been she had been unemployed for seven

492
00:22:00,760 --> 00:22:03,520
Speaker 3: eight months. So for me, it was it was the

493
00:22:03,560 --> 00:22:05,680
Speaker 3: right everything. It was the right time for everything.

494
00:22:05,800 --> 00:22:09,240
Speaker 6: So, you know, single mom raising two kids.

495
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,240
Speaker 3: And my high school coach actually worked for a guy

496
00:22:13,320 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 3: named Bob McLaren who was his uncle, was owns the Astros.

497
00:22:17,920 --> 00:22:20,679
Speaker 3: He wasn't even in the in the Asian game, but

498
00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:22,960
Speaker 3: he was really smart, really sharp dude. He was president

499
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 3: of Astros for several years, so he knew that, you know,

500
00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:27,399
Speaker 3: he knew the inside of the business and ended up

501
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,080
Speaker 3: being my agent. I just wanted something I could trust

502
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:31,840
Speaker 3: because I felt like there was just so much going

503
00:22:31,880 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 3: on with these agents that I didn't like, and I

504
00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,640
Speaker 3: just felt like everybody had an agenda and I didn't

505
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:38,359
Speaker 3: want to be a part of that. So I actually

506
00:22:38,400 --> 00:22:41,200
Speaker 3: went with them and moved down to Houston to train.

507
00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:44,720
Speaker 3: Finally got me and I was a little pudgy in college, so.

508
00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:47,000
Speaker 5: I want to earlier when I said you came out

509
00:22:47,000 --> 00:22:49,320
Speaker 5: of nowhere, I was like, who's this little lighte kid? Look,

510
00:22:49,359 --> 00:22:50,840
Speaker 5: I ain't wont to say, you know, I was gonna

511
00:22:50,840 --> 00:22:53,520
Speaker 5: be nice and say a little dowie or something.

512
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:55,679
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, you know, it is what it is.

513
00:22:55,720 --> 00:22:56,000
Speaker 4: I was.

514
00:22:56,040 --> 00:22:59,639
Speaker 3: I was then late nights, I was. Everybody else was

515
00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:02,399
Speaker 3: echie burgers and fries. It just hit me a little different.

516
00:23:03,119 --> 00:23:05,600
Speaker 3: I ain't got don't got the same genetics.

517
00:23:06,720 --> 00:23:10,560
Speaker 4: Get upon you. I played with guys. I play with

518
00:23:10,600 --> 00:23:11,240
Speaker 4: guys in the NBA.

519
00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,520
Speaker 3: They're eating chicken tenders and fries before the game, going

520
00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 3: out and getting twenty five. If I do that, I'm

521
00:23:16,600 --> 00:23:20,160
Speaker 3: a game twenty five for the game. That was us

522
00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:25,879
Speaker 3: Gerald Wallace. That man ain't never putting nothing green in

523
00:23:25,920 --> 00:23:27,679
Speaker 3: his body.

524
00:23:28,600 --> 00:23:36,480
Speaker 4: But it's boy Alabama to the whole. No.

525
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:39,720
Speaker 3: But uh, So I moved down to Houston, I finally

526
00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:43,080
Speaker 3: got my nutrition right to hire the trainer and started

527
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:44,560
Speaker 3: getting ready for the draft.

528
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 5: So how many how many workouts splash just interviews that

529
00:23:48,600 --> 00:23:50,640
Speaker 5: you're going because you wasn't doing too many workouts.

530
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:52,080
Speaker 2: You wasn't going against nobody.

531
00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,359
Speaker 5: You was just getting wind and dying and talked too day,

532
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:55,760
Speaker 5: was trying to pick your brain right.

533
00:23:56,000 --> 00:23:57,040
Speaker 2: So I went.

534
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:02,159
Speaker 5: Und Bows treatment. That's the you know, the Feenie and

535
00:24:02,160 --> 00:24:03,160
Speaker 5: the female treatment.

536
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:04,680
Speaker 6: Milwaukee had the first pick.

537
00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:05,160
Speaker 4: I didn't.

538
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:06,879
Speaker 3: I didn't work out for them because everybody knew they

539
00:24:06,880 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 3: were taking a Pandrew Bob. I'm kind of set in stone.

540
00:24:09,720 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 3: So I worked out for Atlanta, Utah. Charlotte and Orlando

541
00:24:15,520 --> 00:24:17,520
Speaker 3: had like the eleventh pick. They were talking about trading up,

542
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:19,200
Speaker 3: and I told her I want to do it. But

543
00:24:19,280 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: then my agent was like, no, they're going to try

544
00:24:20,840 --> 00:24:22,400
Speaker 3: to trade up, so they want you to work out.

545
00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:24,919
Speaker 3: But my whole thing going in because Chris Paul was

546
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:28,159
Speaker 3: still ahead of me on most of the drafts. So

547
00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:30,119
Speaker 3: my whole thing was, look, I'll work out with anybody

548
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:32,840
Speaker 3: you want, as long as Chris Paul's that was it.

549
00:24:33,240 --> 00:24:35,160
Speaker 3: I said, I'll work out whoever you want, just make

550
00:24:35,160 --> 00:24:40,359
Speaker 3: sure Chris Paul's there. Yeah, And so Orlando actually tricked me.

551
00:24:40,400 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 3: They said that he was going to be there or no.

552
00:24:42,359 --> 00:24:43,919
Speaker 3: They said it was just gonna be me and Then

553
00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,280
Speaker 3: I get there and it was Ray Phelton.

554
00:24:46,000 --> 00:24:47,680
Speaker 6: Ray Phil was in the workout. So I called my agent.

555
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:49,920
Speaker 3: I'm like, look, I'm like, I'm not trying anybody. I'm

556
00:24:49,920 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: not scared of anybody. I'll work out with it. But

557
00:24:52,880 --> 00:24:55,800
Speaker 3: you said, like this is what we said. He's like,

558
00:24:55,880 --> 00:24:56,960
Speaker 3: you know what, just go ahead and do it. So

559
00:24:57,000 --> 00:24:59,320
Speaker 3: I went worked out for them too. But those were

560
00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:00,280
Speaker 3: the four workouts I did.

561
00:25:01,080 --> 00:25:03,240
Speaker 5: Found about right, you and d Man sitting in a

562
00:25:03,240 --> 00:25:07,480
Speaker 5: little cozy you know, cozy chairs up there plays gotta

563
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 5: go take like eighteen nineteen.

564
00:25:09,119 --> 00:25:12,720
Speaker 6: Workouts had eighteen workouts.

565
00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:14,919
Speaker 2: But I did like sixteen. I don't remember.

566
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 5: It was a high team number, really, what you know?

567
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,879
Speaker 5: D mails like some people. I've now worked out for

568
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:22,200
Speaker 5: Boston like three times.

569
00:25:22,200 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: Bro. They tried to me work out the night before

570
00:25:23,920 --> 00:25:27,359
Speaker 2: the draft. Was like nah, hell noah. Jeff was like,

571
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,320
Speaker 2: you didn't say down, had dinner with them.

572
00:25:29,320 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 5: I don't remember what pick they had they wound up taking,

573
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 5: like Jerome or Easta or something. That year I got

574
00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 5: picked eighteen, but I was, I was they did me

575
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:40,320
Speaker 5: dirty one year two.

576
00:25:40,400 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 2: I should have left after my freshman year. You know,

577
00:25:42,160 --> 00:25:43,640
Speaker 2: that's another story for another day.

578
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 4: Well you heard Utah. It wasn't just Utah.

579
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,879
Speaker 1: It was like you going to Utah and you Finnah

580
00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:55,920
Speaker 1: go and played for Jerry Slow. You thought you had

581
00:25:55,960 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: hard coaches in the past or somebody that messed with

582
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,760
Speaker 1: you in the past there like that Jerry Slow.

583
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 4: So you know, think of all that when I.

584
00:26:05,640 --> 00:26:08,359
Speaker 3: When I broke down all the teams that were you know,

585
00:26:08,400 --> 00:26:12,679
Speaker 3: those top really two through five or six, whatever it was,

586
00:26:13,480 --> 00:26:14,760
Speaker 3: that was the team I wanted to go to the

587
00:26:14,760 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 3: most because I felt like I had the chance to

588
00:26:17,640 --> 00:26:19,479
Speaker 3: win the most there, because I felt like they had

589
00:26:19,520 --> 00:26:23,000
Speaker 3: a good team who had injuries the year before and

590
00:26:23,040 --> 00:26:24,760
Speaker 3: that's the only reason they fell that far.

591
00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,760
Speaker 4: They had moves, they had memo, they had a.

592
00:26:26,880 --> 00:26:29,880
Speaker 3: K but book missed like a bunch of games that year,

593
00:26:30,680 --> 00:26:32,359
Speaker 3: and so I felt like if I went there, we

594
00:26:32,400 --> 00:26:34,080
Speaker 3: had a chance to win, and we had a Hall

595
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:38,000
Speaker 3: of Fame coach. You know, I didn't know anything about,

596
00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:40,960
Speaker 3: you know, in depth about Jerry Sloan. You know, I

597
00:26:41,080 --> 00:26:42,200
Speaker 3: knew he was a good coach.

598
00:26:43,359 --> 00:26:46,640
Speaker 1: His system, like I hated his system, like I hate

599
00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 1: the cross every garden system.

600
00:26:49,480 --> 00:26:51,080
Speaker 2: That's you damn right. We hate.

601
00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 5: No other experiences like wings and Washington I had, Like now,

602
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,919
Speaker 5: when I had Paul, that was the first time I

603
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,640
Speaker 5: had to play in his system, the high post where

604
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,040
Speaker 5: your big man's got to start off on the wing

605
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 5: of the free throw line.

606
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,560
Speaker 1: And all that stuff. He played me at point guard.

607
00:27:11,280 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 1: So I was like, man, every time I got to

608
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: slow down, wait till everybody get in their position, kick

609
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:17,960
Speaker 1: it to the side, then cut off the big man.

610
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: And just to get the big man the ball on

611
00:27:19,800 --> 00:27:23,119
Speaker 1: the post, I got to come up and screen for him.

612
00:27:23,160 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 1: Like yeah, I used to run it so perfectly, but

613
00:27:25,320 --> 00:27:27,520
Speaker 1: when I did, it was like, man, you slowing me down.

614
00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:31,439
Speaker 3: How much dummy offense we did? Hey, oh, y'all I

615
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,040
Speaker 3: had to So we would do it. Some days we

616
00:27:34,040 --> 00:27:36,520
Speaker 3: would come in and he'll put me at the five

617
00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: and he'll put Booze at the one. You had to

618
00:27:39,359 --> 00:27:42,400
Speaker 3: know everyone. He wanted you to know every position, so

619
00:27:42,440 --> 00:27:45,000
Speaker 3: that it was just everything was interchangeable. And that's how

620
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 3: good we running. But that's what made it.

621
00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 6: That's what made it so successful, is because of how

622
00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:52,880
Speaker 6: hard we ran it and how well we ran.

623
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 5: I think what you said is like one of the

624
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,679
Speaker 5: things that people don't understand about. It's like one of

625
00:27:58,680 --> 00:28:01,159
Speaker 5: the main instruments of greats like you just said, like

626
00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:03,159
Speaker 5: you know, Jerry Small, Hall of Fame coach on the

627
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,000
Speaker 5: best coaches ever. But what you just said struck a

628
00:28:06,040 --> 00:28:09,679
Speaker 5: nerve when you said, y'all don't realize how much dummy

629
00:28:09,720 --> 00:28:10,560
Speaker 5: offense we ran.

630
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,959
Speaker 2: That is where the greatness lies.

631
00:28:14,200 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 5: Why you say that he's repetition repetition being Oh okay,

632
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 5: y'all got it. Now you play the five, you played

633
00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,840
Speaker 5: it one, you played it four, and then repetition repetition

634
00:28:23,920 --> 00:28:27,400
Speaker 5: like that right there, and then you can go out there.

635
00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:29,760
Speaker 5: The result is is what me and DC and we

636
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:31,800
Speaker 5: hate playing against you. Y'all can run that ship with

637
00:28:31,880 --> 00:28:34,800
Speaker 5: your eyes closed behind y'all back where he there when

638
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 5: he not there. It's like y'all can coach y'allselves with

639
00:28:37,320 --> 00:28:39,560
Speaker 5: it because he didn't drill it into your head so

640
00:28:39,760 --> 00:28:40,440
Speaker 5: many times.

641
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,120
Speaker 7: And it's like your muscle memory. Now it's a quick

642
00:28:43,160 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 7: twitch skills. You just do it, you know, I mean shit,

643
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 7: we used to take for shot runs. Oh yeah, I

644
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 7: know about that, and went lies.

645
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:51,880
Speaker 4: I don't know I could.

646
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:53,479
Speaker 3: I don't know if I could have been twenty nine

647
00:28:53,600 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 3: thirty thirty one doing all that that.

648
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 5: Way truck that is. That is when it came to me.

649
00:28:58,040 --> 00:29:01,440
Speaker 5: Twenty nine thirty, I got the Miami and left line.

650
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:04,080
Speaker 5: He was into Orlando. I'm talking about, bruh. Nothing in

651
00:29:04,120 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 5: my whole career never wore knee braces, knee past, none

652
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 5: of that.

653
00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 2: I'm talking about. First day in training camp.

654
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,760
Speaker 5: First day you going there, they got two sets of

655
00:29:12,800 --> 00:29:14,120
Speaker 5: knee pass on your locker.

656
00:29:14,160 --> 00:29:17,120
Speaker 2: I've come in, like you know, I'm going on my tenth.

657
00:29:17,280 --> 00:29:18,360
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh no, I'm.

658
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 5: Cool with it. I give him back, like I don't

659
00:29:19,840 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 5: wear these. They hand them right back to No, no,

660
00:29:22,240 --> 00:29:24,600
Speaker 5: you ain't got with both, just picked one pair. I'm like,

661
00:29:25,360 --> 00:29:27,280
Speaker 5: I don't use me pass. They like you do now,

662
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:28,760
Speaker 5: They like you ain't gotta wear him in the game,

663
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:32,640
Speaker 5: But everybody in practice you got to because pat Riley

664
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:34,600
Speaker 5: had a thing where you know how they play and

665
00:29:34,680 --> 00:29:35,800
Speaker 5: teach and teach defense.

666
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:37,520
Speaker 2: It ain't no you know you're getting over screens.

667
00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,240
Speaker 5: You get know, they guys kept bumping knees with the

668
00:29:41,280 --> 00:29:44,640
Speaker 5: technique he was saying. So he made everybody from everybody

669
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,600
Speaker 5: one through fifteen, whole team gotta wear a knee pass.

670
00:29:47,680 --> 00:29:49,560
Speaker 5: And this I'm talking about this how it became like

671
00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,120
Speaker 5: that for like how you say you gotta be taped

672
00:29:51,120 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 5: for shooting around.

673
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,760
Speaker 2: You come in some days, but you gotta get taped

674
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:55,200
Speaker 2: in a knee passed it and you're like.

675
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,240
Speaker 3: Man, were doing charge drills in February, just start, we

676
00:30:00,400 --> 00:30:04,360
Speaker 3: want the opposite side of the floor half mark and

677
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:07,320
Speaker 3: we had to the spot and take the charge.

678
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:09,640
Speaker 4: I'm taking charges on booze in February.

679
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:11,920
Speaker 6: Bruise tailbone.

680
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:15,600
Speaker 2: That's crazy.

681
00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:18,160
Speaker 4: When was it that the offense click for you?

682
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:22,080
Speaker 1: When was it that you've seen Coach Slaney like you

683
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:26,120
Speaker 1: knew what he wanted, because like when you click, you

684
00:30:26,160 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: ain't just like just slowly get into it. You clicked

685
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,479
Speaker 1: and just start killing everybody.

686
00:30:31,480 --> 00:30:36,400
Speaker 3: Originally coach coach Loan's fucking my freshman year. To start

687
00:30:36,440 --> 00:30:40,400
Speaker 3: this season, Keith McLeod was starting at the point guard

688
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:45,960
Speaker 3: and then Milk Colassio Milk, both of them got hurt.

689
00:30:46,480 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 3: I'm the only other this me gotta start.

690
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:51,960
Speaker 6: He started Andre.

691
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,720
Speaker 2: Owens, he.

692
00:30:55,840 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 3: Started, who ain't no point guard? You know, ao ain't

693
00:30:59,200 --> 00:31:04,480
Speaker 3: no damn point is the storing guy, straight scorer. So

694
00:31:04,840 --> 00:31:07,520
Speaker 3: like the first half of the season, you trying to

695
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:11,720
Speaker 3: humble you, but he just wants to. He's just he's

696
00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 3: that old school coach where he's just not gonna give

697
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:17,040
Speaker 3: something to summer, even if I probably should have had

698
00:31:17,040 --> 00:31:20,960
Speaker 3: it from the start, right M and so I went

699
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:23,640
Speaker 3: through about five phases ere my rookie year. I was

700
00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:25,520
Speaker 3: just like, I didn't know what to do. I was

701
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,400
Speaker 3: about to lose my mind. But so to start off

702
00:31:28,640 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 3: the season, I was playing. I was playing second quarter

703
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:40,320
Speaker 3: and fourth quarters. That's it it. I was finishing.

704
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:45,880
Speaker 5: I was making nowadays, nothing about these O G coaches

705
00:31:45,920 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 5: that we came in with, boy like, I.

706
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,600
Speaker 6: Mean, all the all the rookie stuff, they don't do

707
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:51,400
Speaker 6: none of that stuff now.

708
00:31:51,760 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 5: They don't even allow Yeah, they don't even allow it.

709
00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 5: They tell the people before they start doing, hey, hey, no,

710
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,200
Speaker 5: we're not going to do that. And because they don't

711
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 5: want anything to happen. I don't want to be on

712
00:32:01,680 --> 00:32:03,560
Speaker 5: social media and all of it. They don't want to

713
00:32:03,600 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 5: have to deal with the situation. And they making it

714
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 5: so weak with that because I've seen it in person

715
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:09,760
Speaker 5: where they tell them now, I don't mess with them

716
00:32:09,800 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 5: and do all of that stuff.

717
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,520
Speaker 3: I'm like, what, man, I remember the first we went

718
00:32:13,600 --> 00:32:15,240
Speaker 3: to Boise, Idaho for training camp.

719
00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 6: We get off the we get off the exactly we

720
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:19,800
Speaker 6: get off the bus.

721
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:26,240
Speaker 2: Off we get off the boys. No disrespect everybody. Boys.

722
00:32:26,360 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 5: I'm just saying a lot of people like Hawaii or

723
00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 5: Navy basis or Army academies and license, you know, like

724
00:32:32,960 --> 00:32:35,000
Speaker 5: I ain't never heard nobody say they want the boys.

725
00:32:35,120 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: That's just me.

726
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,880
Speaker 3: When we get off that bus and it's cold, it

727
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:43,720
Speaker 3: was a little chili and they like our rookies, y'all

728
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:44,880
Speaker 3: gotta go help with the bags.

729
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 6: So we out there.

730
00:32:46,040 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 3: Unloading the plane and putting it on the bus. I'm like,

731
00:32:49,600 --> 00:32:50,640
Speaker 3: what what is this?

732
00:32:50,640 --> 00:32:53,480
Speaker 4: This is not the NBA. This ain't the NBA.

733
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: Then we get to the hotel and they're like, all right,

734
00:32:55,880 --> 00:32:58,600
Speaker 3: we got first practice at We're leaving at nine am.

735
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:00,400
Speaker 6: Y'all need to come down here at eight and get

736
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 6: all the bags.

737
00:33:01,720 --> 00:33:03,520
Speaker 2: That's that gear, the big bag.

738
00:33:03,600 --> 00:33:05,480
Speaker 3: The bag weighs like one hundred pounds with all the gear,

739
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:08,760
Speaker 3: and we gotta go just drag that around all up

740
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 3: and down the hallways, dropping putting the loops on everybody's door.

741
00:33:11,720 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 4: Knock.

742
00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:15,240
Speaker 2: Did that me, Denis key. It was just three of

743
00:33:15,320 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: us instead of just wanting we had three of us together.

744
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 2: We did that.

745
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 4: We dropped the drop the door. We didn't do that.

746
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,280
Speaker 4: Ye don't.

747
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Ship stoped like, we didn't do that and no that bro.

748
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,520
Speaker 1: Hell know we didn't do that ship, Bro, we didn't

749
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:31,080
Speaker 1: do that ship.

750
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: You never wanted to do it. We did do that, we.

751
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 4: Had to didn't do it. He made us do one

752
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 4: thing after that.

753
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,200
Speaker 2: We did that in Palm Springs.

754
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,840
Speaker 5: The one thing I did this the whole red They

755
00:33:42,920 --> 00:33:45,400
Speaker 5: grapped the jersey off one No, no, no, no, we never

756
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,080
Speaker 5: did that ship the whole year. Now we did That's

757
00:33:47,080 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. We did that in training cap. That

758
00:33:48,680 --> 00:33:50,920
Speaker 5: wasn't no whole year type of activity for us. But like,

759
00:33:51,160 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 5: we definitely did that training camp, bro, and it was

760
00:33:54,880 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 5: it was easy because it was three of us like

761
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 5: we we was done with it. But you ain't but

762
00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 5: twelve thirteen, four team players like three of us, we

763
00:34:01,720 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 5: get that thing fast. Now we had to carry over

764
00:34:04,160 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 5: heav yet bad. We just split it up right then,

765
00:34:06,280 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 5: by my mom.

766
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, they ain't have to do that the whole year,

767
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:16,439
Speaker 1: do none of that. But up, we wouldn't know that ship.

768
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:18,680
Speaker 1: Were the losers team in the NBA. The boys talk

769
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,879
Speaker 1: about the I'm not going to get shipped, y'all can't

770
00:34:22,920 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: make me go and get something that with the the motherfuckers,

771
00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: the loser.

772
00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:26,759
Speaker 2: Team in the NBA. He had tough.

773
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:29,760
Speaker 5: He talking, you're gonna talk that tough to Sean Rooks.

774
00:34:29,760 --> 00:34:31,440
Speaker 5: Whatever Sean Rooks had us do, he did.

775
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:32,080
Speaker 4: Yeah.

776
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: But I respected Sean Rooks and Darrin Strong. But get

777
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:38,880
Speaker 1: the rest of them. My age jokes.

778
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,320
Speaker 2: On the wanted to have us do nothing. They couldn't

779
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:41,000
Speaker 2: have us do nothing.

780
00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:45,399
Speaker 5: We're gonna fight them somebody like you guys. The team

781
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 5: was all the twenty We had Lamar hold them older

782
00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:52,360
Speaker 5: with Candy just mcgainn is. Everybody was our age. We

783
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 5: was all the same age. Ain't nobody about to just

784
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 5: just check us now, you know. But like, oh geez

785
00:34:57,840 --> 00:35:01,759
Speaker 5: d Strong with Sean Rooks, all respect straight up.

786
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,799
Speaker 1: Y'all had the like with Sloan he was was he

787
00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:06,760
Speaker 1: straight straight?

788
00:35:07,400 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 3: We had a lot of rules. I just it was crazy.

789
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,200
Speaker 3: I was just cleaning out something. Oh, a storage union

790
00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:15,600
Speaker 3: that I had. Man, I didn't realize I had the

791
00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,360
Speaker 3: storage union. They had called me like, you.

792
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 6: Got a storage union.

793
00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 3: I'm like what I would and clean That was a

794
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,120
Speaker 3: whole bunch of old stuff. My grandma said, my mom

795
00:35:27,160 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 3: stuff mainly, but I found one of the jazz hand books.

796
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 4: You start every training camp, we would go we have

797
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:35,040
Speaker 4: our team meeting.

798
00:35:35,200 --> 00:35:38,319
Speaker 6: Coach Sloan would be he would I remember it's like yes,

799
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,040
Speaker 6: he would flip through this book and he'd have his

800
00:35:41,120 --> 00:35:41,680
Speaker 6: glasses on.

801
00:35:41,800 --> 00:35:43,880
Speaker 3: He would be reading and he'd take them up with

802
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,560
Speaker 3: his off and he would be mad about like it's

803
00:35:46,600 --> 00:35:47,800
Speaker 3: like we did something wrong.

804
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 4: But it's the first first meeting ever.

805
00:35:51,200 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 3: When he's going over the rules, like he already mad

806
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 3: because he knows something gonna break the rules.

807
00:35:55,640 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 6: You know, we gotta tuck.

808
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,480
Speaker 3: You gotta tuck your shirt and your strings in your

809
00:35:58,520 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 3: pants and all times for practice, game, whenever you're on

810
00:36:02,000 --> 00:36:03,840
Speaker 3: the court. You'll send me back if you don't have

811
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 3: them touched in. We had a no cell phone rule

812
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:11,279
Speaker 3: on the bus. Us on the bus couldn't be on

813
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,960
Speaker 3: a cell phone. So like, yeah, you want to make

814
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:16,960
Speaker 3: a phone call, you had to step off the bus

815
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 3: call even when somebody was late for shoot around, like

816
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:20,920
Speaker 3: we're on the bus wait for somebody.

817
00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:22,200
Speaker 6: You couldn't call them on the bus. We had to

818
00:36:22,200 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 6: get off the bus.

819
00:36:24,200 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: Hey man, where you at get on the bus?

820
00:36:27,960 --> 00:36:30,440
Speaker 2: Brother? It's so maybe in the locker room brother, when

821
00:36:30,480 --> 00:36:31,360
Speaker 2: I worked for the Bustiness.

822
00:36:31,400 --> 00:36:33,319
Speaker 5: I'm sitting there wise you know, you know when you

823
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 5: come in and have time or whatever, coach is going

824
00:36:37,160 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 5: there to do that little power while I'm just sitting there, tilling,

825
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:42,560
Speaker 5: just looking around the whole thing. That's how they come

826
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 5: in me in like this.

827
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they're on the social media here, the coach come.

828
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:56,360
Speaker 3: Like, see, that's the one thing we didn't really have

829
00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,080
Speaker 3: that was before social media, Like it was just Facebook

830
00:36:59,200 --> 00:37:02,640
Speaker 3: around that time. It wasn't even on your phone, so

831
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,840
Speaker 3: so it wasn't I mean, it wasn't a lot you

832
00:37:04,840 --> 00:37:07,680
Speaker 3: could do besides text on the phone back then.

833
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:08,879
Speaker 2: But still.

834
00:37:10,080 --> 00:37:11,080
Speaker 6: Haven't none of that.

835
00:37:11,080 --> 00:37:11,680
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying.

836
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:13,239
Speaker 5: That's gangs to the year that he wouldn't even like

837
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 5: on the bus, bro, Like that's like, come on, man,

838
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,439
Speaker 5: sometimes it'd be like a forty minute both bus ride

839
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 5: from the airport to the hotel.

840
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 2: You can't even call, you talk to your wife, said,

841
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:21,839
Speaker 2: hey we man, do we good?

842
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:25,160
Speaker 3: No, you can't talk to kids, none of that.

843
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:27,319
Speaker 1: Like I said, when he did a click for you,

844
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 1: when his offense click and he was your guy.

845
00:37:29,600 --> 00:37:32,080
Speaker 3: Probably after my rookie year, my sophomore year, because like

846
00:37:32,120 --> 00:37:34,120
Speaker 3: I said, that first year, it was so much ups

847
00:37:34,160 --> 00:37:37,480
Speaker 3: and downs and like him, you know, kind of messing

848
00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,399
Speaker 3: with me, playing me, you know, I finally think I'm

849
00:37:40,440 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 3: about to start sort and I had a little stretch

850
00:37:44,200 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 3: where I kind of got like a little pissy attitude

851
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,880
Speaker 3: because I felt like he was treating me unfairly, and

852
00:37:49,400 --> 00:37:50,880
Speaker 3: it was I think that was him just trying to

853
00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,360
Speaker 3: see how I respond. And so it was right before

854
00:37:55,160 --> 00:37:58,880
Speaker 3: all start break, and he had like barely played me

855
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:01,600
Speaker 3: in a couple of games like twelve, you know, twenty

856
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 3: minutes here and there. Just was very sporadic, and so

857
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,799
Speaker 3: I went away for I went to you know, rookie game,

858
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 3: and I came back and I said, you know what,

859
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:10,960
Speaker 3: I don't care if he plays me at the one,

860
00:38:11,040 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 3: he plays me at the two, I don't care what.

861
00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:14,239
Speaker 6: I'm just gonna play harder ship.

862
00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:16,560
Speaker 3: And I think that's kind of where it started to click,

863
00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,480
Speaker 3: because then shortly after that then he started me for

864
00:38:19,480 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 3: the rest of the season, like the last you know,

865
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:23,560
Speaker 3: thirty games of the season, and I think he started

866
00:38:23,600 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 3: to click a.

867
00:38:23,920 --> 00:38:25,239
Speaker 6: Little bit there. But then that that.

868
00:38:25,280 --> 00:38:27,480
Speaker 3: Next year I came back, he had me go to

869
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:29,879
Speaker 3: a summer league and I was thinking I was gonna

870
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,320
Speaker 3: do Summer League, and like, after like I think two games,

871
00:38:33,320 --> 00:38:35,000
Speaker 3: they just pulled me out there, like I guess we've

872
00:38:35,040 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 3: seen enough.

873
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 2: You're good, and so remember that. I do remember that, Yeah,

874
00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:42,759
Speaker 2: going to what that next year?

875
00:38:44,000 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: This offense is so unique, like y'all, y'all the only

876
00:38:47,800 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: team that was really kind of running that.

877
00:38:49,680 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, that style offense with the with the guys.

878
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:54,640
Speaker 1: How some teams had it, but that was just like

879
00:38:54,680 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: a package in their whole little thing. But what in

880
00:38:57,880 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: his offense that you've seen that, like, oh, I can't

881
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,120
Speaker 1: I can succeed in this. Like I used to hate

882
00:39:04,160 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 1: when you used to kick it to the wing and

883
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,720
Speaker 1: then you're all gay, you've been coming off the screen

884
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,759
Speaker 1: on the high host slow and then in the fourth

885
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,759
Speaker 1: quarter you want to go off extra fast and get

886
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: you a bunny. I used to hate this, Like, like

887
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: what in the offense that you've seen? It was like, man,

888
00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:19,920
Speaker 1: I can work with this or I can work with that.

889
00:39:20,000 --> 00:39:22,200
Speaker 3: I think one was how effectively we knew how to

890
00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 3: run as a team. But then also I felt like

891
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 3: for me, you know, I was never the most explosive,

892
00:39:27,600 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 3: the fastest guy, but I did have a good change

893
00:39:29,600 --> 00:39:33,120
Speaker 3: of pace, change the direction. My IQ was really really good,

894
00:39:33,880 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 3: and so I, like you said, those easy ones, I

895
00:39:35,800 --> 00:39:38,120
Speaker 3: knew how to get those little easy ones. I felt

896
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,279
Speaker 3: somebody like they were trying to cheat the screen because

897
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:41,640
Speaker 3: they know I'm coming off the screen. Then I just

898
00:39:41,719 --> 00:39:44,640
Speaker 3: bump back for the layup, or or like when I

899
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:47,360
Speaker 3: when I go off and I know they're they're trailing

900
00:39:47,400 --> 00:39:49,000
Speaker 3: too far, I would just bump out to the corner

901
00:39:49,040 --> 00:39:50,520
Speaker 3: and just get it three right there. It was just

902
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: so many different ways you could break off, even though

903
00:39:53,239 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 3: it was this set place, you know that you could

904
00:39:56,080 --> 00:39:59,120
Speaker 3: break off. And then I had Buz who was really

905
00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:01,959
Speaker 3: smart and slipping screens. I would come off the screen

906
00:40:02,000 --> 00:40:03,520
Speaker 3: and he was already slipping. I just need a little

907
00:40:03,520 --> 00:40:07,240
Speaker 3: touch pass to him. And we had Memo who was Memo.

908
00:40:07,480 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 3: Memo was playing in today's NBA. Man, He'll be Max

909
00:40:10,560 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 3: every year, Max and Max and then Max again.

910
00:40:13,480 --> 00:40:16,520
Speaker 4: I like Bilbo was solid, you.

911
00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:18,640
Speaker 3: Know, like yause he could shoot the three. You know,

912
00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 3: he was like a dirt, a light dirt, you know

913
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 3: what I mean.

914
00:40:22,120 --> 00:40:24,440
Speaker 5: Yeah, I felt like it was perfect the scenario that

915
00:40:24,520 --> 00:40:27,680
Speaker 5: you went into, especially once everything kind of like got

916
00:40:27,719 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 5: turned out of y'all, was all hitting on the same

917
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:33,040
Speaker 5: so because it was like seeing a different variation of

918
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,480
Speaker 5: what he did with Malone and Stocking like you know

919
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 5: what I'm saying with you and Buze like playing the

920
00:40:37,680 --> 00:40:40,400
Speaker 5: one and a big man at the four. It was

921
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:43,240
Speaker 5: a different variation, but you could see the same impact

922
00:40:43,280 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 5: being put on y'all and y'all flourishing and there, Like

923
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,399
Speaker 5: did y'all get any of those comparisons with y'all?

924
00:40:48,560 --> 00:40:51,280
Speaker 3: I mean he had to obviously, of course, of course,

925
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:53,040
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, but it's hard to be compared

926
00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 3: to you know them too to ever do it man.

927
00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:02,280
Speaker 3: And and their longevity, man, I mean, I barely missed games,

928
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 3: I honestly. I mean they just had to be the

929
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:08,239
Speaker 3: toughest dudes in the in the world, I am.

930
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 5: They played as many games without missing Like I saw

931
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:14,480
Speaker 5: some stats not too long ago on social media about

932
00:41:14,480 --> 00:41:17,440
Speaker 5: Stocked in and alone, like how many games and dudes

933
00:41:17,480 --> 00:41:21,040
Speaker 5: played and didn't miss games. It was like unbelievable. Yeah,

934
00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 5: and see how physical they played with that.

935
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:27,320
Speaker 3: Exactly, and that in the nineties, I mean that's ah,

936
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,080
Speaker 3: they're trying to take your head.

937
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:30,080
Speaker 6: Off and they ain't coming.

938
00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:33,200
Speaker 3: They know, there's no uh, there's no flagrant tues for

939
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:34,879
Speaker 3: accidentally hitting somebody in the head.

940
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:35,879
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

941
00:41:37,360 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 1: Did you have the opportunity to get a chance to, like,

942
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: you know, pick John stocked and brain and have conversations

943
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,320
Speaker 1: with him about like your offense.

944
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: Before my rookie season, they sent me up there. They

945
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 3: sent me up to Spokane and I spent five days

946
00:41:51,000 --> 00:41:56,640
Speaker 3: with him work that it was you don't kind of regret.

947
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,120
Speaker 3: My biggest regret was not reaching back out to him

948
00:42:00,080 --> 00:42:02,920
Speaker 3: after and doing it again. It should have should have

949
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:06,840
Speaker 3: been something that I probably did, like every once, because he,

950
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:10,759
Speaker 3: like John's not like you could tell, he's one of

951
00:42:10,800 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 3: those guys who he's not he's not big into the spotlight.

952
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,440
Speaker 3: He's not big into the line light. He's just you know,

953
00:42:15,480 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 3: he's happy in his life up there. So he's not

954
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 3: a guy who's just gonna reach out.

955
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 4: You know.

956
00:42:19,920 --> 00:42:21,920
Speaker 6: I think they reached out to him and it was like, hey,

957
00:42:21,920 --> 00:42:23,279
Speaker 6: we want we got this new guy who want to.

958
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:23,919
Speaker 4: Send him up there.

959
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,239
Speaker 6: But man, I learned a lot, honestly, just in that

960
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:27,000
Speaker 6: five days.

961
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 3: You know, we talked about picking roll scenarios, you know,

962
00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 3: basically what to expect from coach. You know, put me

963
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,560
Speaker 3: through several workouts that he used to do, and you know,

964
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:38,720
Speaker 3: different little shooting drills or he would you know, shoot off.

965
00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:39,360
Speaker 2: Of the wrong foot.

966
00:42:39,600 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 3: There, little things that it really helped me a lot.

967
00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:44,399
Speaker 3: I think throughout the course of my career, you get

968
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,839
Speaker 3: a chance to learn from a guy like that, it's

969
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 3: it's amazing.

970
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 4: Call those booths, you know, he put it with you.

971
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: A lot of people like I love booths than when

972
00:42:53,440 --> 00:42:57,319
Speaker 1: he's in Cleveland all the time. I used to be like, man,

973
00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 1: you get you teen and teen that's like one hundred

974
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:01,759
Speaker 1: million dollars was right there. That's all you need is

975
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 1: to points to rebound. But he was so big and

976
00:43:04,800 --> 00:43:06,680
Speaker 1: people don't understand how tality he was. He used to

977
00:43:06,760 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: use his left He was right, but he used to

978
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,759
Speaker 1: use his left hand and he wouldn't be able to

979
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:14,120
Speaker 1: finish under the basket if he didn't dunk.

980
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:16,200
Speaker 4: It or lad with his left. If he did it

981
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 4: with his right, it was like he missed it. And

982
00:43:17,760 --> 00:43:18,839
Speaker 4: it was like, bro, you're right here.

983
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: I never but how good it was boozer that people

984
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,200
Speaker 1: don't really give him the proper pops because they'd be like, oh,

985
00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 1: he stole his money, and I'd be like, nah.

986
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 4: A Boozer came from a lot to get to where

987
00:43:29,520 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 4: he was at.

988
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 3: Age twenty and ten, like twenty plus and ten, like

989
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:36,480
Speaker 3: three four years in a row.

990
00:43:38,320 --> 00:43:41,319
Speaker 6: A little double game, I mean, now, he had a game.

991
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:41,560
Speaker 1: Man.

992
00:43:41,840 --> 00:43:43,359
Speaker 6: It was fun to play with that pick and roll.

993
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:44,560
Speaker 6: He had a great field for the game.

994
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:47,919
Speaker 3: Like you said, anybody comes from from Duke, they're gonna

995
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,839
Speaker 3: have a good field for the game.

996
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:50,480
Speaker 6: They're gonna know how to play the game of basketball.

997
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,320
Speaker 1: Don't get Duke that much, right, won't give Duke that

998
00:43:53,480 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: much you like I do, like coach k.

999
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:05,520
Speaker 3: You know, to Olympics. So although I don't like Duke Love,

1000
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:09,799
Speaker 3: but booz was fann to play with. Like you said,

1001
00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 3: it's such a good teammate. Good dude. He's one of

1002
00:44:11,800 --> 00:44:14,839
Speaker 3: people just always positive, always smiling. Dap you up about

1003
00:44:14,840 --> 00:44:17,920
Speaker 3: twenty times, like damn Booze, you just dapping me up.

1004
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:24,400
Speaker 4: So that's what I got.

1005
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:28,640
Speaker 5: Six o seven man, y'all boys played, y'all ass off.

1006
00:44:28,719 --> 00:44:31,719
Speaker 5: I remember watching y'all in the playoffs and y'all going

1007
00:44:31,800 --> 00:44:34,920
Speaker 5: the distance with the Spurs. You put on the show

1008
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:38,040
Speaker 5: that whole playoffs, and like either I can remember even

1009
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:43,920
Speaker 5: after that series and y'all losing the Spurs players making

1010
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,799
Speaker 5: it a point to give you your dude credit, like, yo,

1011
00:44:46,920 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 5: that's a bad boy.

1012
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 2: Like you know what I'm saying, how did how did

1013
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:49,759
Speaker 2: that feel?

1014
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,640
Speaker 5: I mean, I'll be in defeat, but to see some

1015
00:44:52,760 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 5: of the greats Tim Duncan, Tony Parker, your peers, you

1016
00:44:55,680 --> 00:44:56,920
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, they were going to.

1017
00:44:56,920 --> 00:45:01,319
Speaker 3: Be I think they want they wanted swept bruning them right.

1018
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:02,200
Speaker 2: Right, That's the year they wanted.

1019
00:45:02,239 --> 00:45:04,920
Speaker 5: So like y'all lose to the eventual champions and you

1020
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 5: get the kudos from those guys that you got had

1021
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:10,239
Speaker 5: it that that year as an overall, like because that

1022
00:45:10,360 --> 00:45:11,240
Speaker 5: was a big.

1023
00:45:11,120 --> 00:45:11,640
Speaker 2: Year for you.

1024
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 6: Yeah, that was my second year.

1025
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:16,320
Speaker 3: I feel like that's now you talk about those moments

1026
00:45:16,360 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 3: where like the light comes on or whatever. I think

1027
00:45:19,480 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 3: that was when my confidence meter hit high, you know,

1028
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:23,920
Speaker 3: like where I was like, man, I can I.

1029
00:45:23,840 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 6: Can really be somebody? Like you said. I mean that

1030
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 6: was the Spurs. They were a good team.

1031
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:29,120
Speaker 3: I mean it beat us I think four to one,

1032
00:45:29,520 --> 00:45:35,239
Speaker 3: but again some real questionable calls. Could have been a

1033
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:38,719
Speaker 3: little different series. But you know I had I think

1034
00:45:38,760 --> 00:45:41,360
Speaker 3: Who's Born guarded me a lot that series and I

1035
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 3: averaged twenty five for the series. That just gave me

1036
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:47,200
Speaker 3: a lot of confidence I think going into that next

1037
00:45:47,239 --> 00:45:50,520
Speaker 3: year years to follow, because you know, if I could

1038
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 3: do that against them in the playoffs in the Western

1039
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,799
Speaker 3: cons Finals, I should be able to do this anytime I want.

1040
00:45:56,120 --> 00:45:58,360
Speaker 2: Definitely was the biggest Thay put it down.

1041
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 5: I can't remember the exact years, but it was a

1042
00:46:02,680 --> 00:46:06,840
Speaker 5: good three to four year stretch where you and Chris

1043
00:46:06,920 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 5: Paul Well y'all had the whole league. Who the best

1044
00:46:11,080 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 5: point guard between y'all two and that was your window

1045
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 5: as like the elite you one A or one B

1046
00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 5: is like best point guard in league. That's how you

1047
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:22,200
Speaker 5: know what I'm saying, Your peers like I'm in the

1048
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 5: league at this point playing and I'm in what's supposed

1049
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 5: to be my prime and all that, and I'm agreeing.

1050
00:46:26,400 --> 00:46:29,000
Speaker 5: I'm like we and my problems were talking about it.

1051
00:46:29,040 --> 00:46:31,120
Speaker 5: You know how these basketball dudes were talking about like

1052
00:46:31,160 --> 00:46:33,600
Speaker 5: how was that for you to come from where you

1053
00:46:33,680 --> 00:46:35,759
Speaker 5: come from? You know what I'm saying, not always the

1054
00:46:35,920 --> 00:46:39,440
Speaker 5: overhype to be mentioned and you know, argue or debated

1055
00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 5: like am I the best point guard?

1056
00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 4: Like?

1057
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:42,879
Speaker 2: How was that for an accomplishment? For you.

1058
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 5: Did you feel like I've arrived, I'm here, not like

1059
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:46,360
Speaker 5: they see me.

1060
00:46:46,680 --> 00:46:49,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean something that always, Like I said, I

1061
00:46:49,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 3: talked about, you know, looking at those message boards in college,

1062
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 3: but I did the same thing when I got TVA.

1063
00:46:55,200 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: I was I was on real GM and all that.

1064
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,000
Speaker 3: He was always looking at stuff. I always use that

1065
00:47:01,040 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 3: as fuel. So like, yeah, I mean me and see

1066
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 3: people were good friends. You know, we would have dinner

1067
00:47:06,680 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 3: when they came to town, when I came to town. Well,

1068
00:47:10,160 --> 00:47:12,440
Speaker 3: when we stepped on that court, you know, all that

1069
00:47:12,520 --> 00:47:16,000
Speaker 3: was out the window. And UH definitely enjoyed, you know,

1070
00:47:16,000 --> 00:47:17,960
Speaker 3: playing against him because he put he always pushed me.

1071
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,960
Speaker 3: He always a good competitor. But as far as like

1072
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:23,520
Speaker 3: how did it feel, I mean it felt good. But

1073
00:47:23,520 --> 00:47:25,240
Speaker 3: at the same time, it's kind of what I expected

1074
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:27,800
Speaker 3: out of myself, Like I expected to be one of

1075
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 3: the best.

1076
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:29,560
Speaker 6: I always thought I was one of the best, even

1077
00:47:29,600 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 6: when I wasn't.

1078
00:47:30,680 --> 00:47:33,600
Speaker 1: Used to do the double crossover, and like it, like

1079
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: every time I do the double crossover, they never go

1080
00:47:37,000 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 1: for the second one because I didn't crossed them and

1081
00:47:38,880 --> 00:47:40,879
Speaker 1: they just still sitting over there. But when I used

1082
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,759
Speaker 1: to watch you, I used to wonder like, man, how

1083
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:47,680
Speaker 1: is he getting the double crossover off on these folks

1084
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,600
Speaker 1: and you hitting them twice and they going for it twice?

1085
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,600
Speaker 1: When did you add that to your game? And where

1086
00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:53,680
Speaker 1: did you get that from?

1087
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:54,200
Speaker 4: Man?

1088
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:55,400
Speaker 6: I think it's just one of those things that's just

1089
00:47:55,480 --> 00:47:56,520
Speaker 6: kind of evolved.

1090
00:47:56,960 --> 00:47:57,120
Speaker 4: You know.

1091
00:47:57,160 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 3: I picked up crossover from Ai, but then that day

1092
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,160
Speaker 3: call and carry on that crossover, So then you had.

1093
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:03,480
Speaker 2: To adapt everybody.

1094
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 3: I had the one that Steph had, Remember when he

1095
00:48:06,080 --> 00:48:07,719
Speaker 3: used to pick it up high and then go and

1096
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 3: then like go over throw it over. Yeah too, And

1097
00:48:11,200 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 3: then Jay Kidd had to he didn't have a crossover

1098
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:14,479
Speaker 3: really in half court.

1099
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:15,560
Speaker 2: He had that one.

1100
00:48:15,560 --> 00:48:19,720
Speaker 3: Going full speed boom. And like I used to study

1101
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:22,239
Speaker 3: all like all this stuff. In college. We used to

1102
00:48:22,239 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 3: play cutthroat a lot. That was like our game. I

1103
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:28,520
Speaker 3: mean we'd be we'd be sitting there playing space. It's,

1104
00:48:28,640 --> 00:48:31,240
Speaker 3: you know, eleven o'clock at night, about to go about dressing,

1105
00:48:31,280 --> 00:48:34,279
Speaker 3: ready about to go out to the bars. Somebody's talking ship.

1106
00:48:34,360 --> 00:48:38,560
Speaker 3: I'll bust your ass, come on here and we'll go

1107
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 3: up to the gym. So we just played one on

1108
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 3: one and playing cutthroat, especially with like two three dribbles,

1109
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:46,839
Speaker 3: you would learn how to get your shot out, how

1110
00:48:46,880 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 3: to create space, how to make these moves with only

1111
00:48:50,040 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 3: two three dribbles. And so one of those was that

1112
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:54,920
Speaker 3: double cross. Somehow it just it took effect. You know,

1113
00:48:54,960 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 3: It's not something I like really thought about before I did.

1114
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,480
Speaker 3: It just kind of know it kind of.

1115
00:49:01,400 --> 00:49:06,040
Speaker 1: Became because it looks smooth, it's so rhythmic. But you

1116
00:49:06,080 --> 00:49:08,719
Speaker 1: to cross the ball over twice, you definitely got to

1117
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:12,160
Speaker 1: have a rhythm. Tell you to not be off balance.

1118
00:49:12,480 --> 00:49:14,920
Speaker 1: You double crossing, you will come up for a pull up,

1119
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:16,759
Speaker 1: or you a double cross and go to the wreck.

1120
00:49:16,800 --> 00:49:19,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, did he get that? Like I

1121
00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:21,319
Speaker 1: can't get it for ship, Like.

1122
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:24,799
Speaker 3: For you're selling foot you ain't supposed to be doing

1123
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:25,160
Speaker 3: all that.

1124
00:49:25,520 --> 00:49:30,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, he got uniform, Bro, he was a unicorn for

1125
00:49:30,840 --> 00:49:31,839
Speaker 5: all that, you know what I'm saying.

1126
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:36,279
Speaker 4: He was long with. How did it feel when you

1127
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: made your first All Star team in the NBA?

1128
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:40,680
Speaker 3: Like I felt like it was a long time coming.

1129
00:49:40,719 --> 00:49:42,760
Speaker 3: I felt like I should have made one, maybe two

1130
00:49:42,760 --> 00:49:43,560
Speaker 3: more before that.

1131
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:46,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, like back then, you know you kind of had

1132
00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:48,560
Speaker 1: to wait your dudes one like these young cats to

1133
00:49:48,760 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 1: kind of come in and and get the recognition.

1134
00:49:52,160 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 6: Exactly what happened.

1135
00:49:53,040 --> 00:49:54,680
Speaker 3: I mean I was even told that the reason I

1136
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:57,480
Speaker 3: didn't make it, Yeah, it wasn't It wasn't my time.

1137
00:49:57,600 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 2: Yet, got a lot more years. We got to make sure,

1138
00:50:00,920 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, you know.

1139
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:05,640
Speaker 1: In the NBA to get the All Star, to be

1140
00:50:05,760 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 1: named the All Star, like.

1141
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:11,000
Speaker 4: To be with the guys that you watching every year

1142
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,200
Speaker 4: make it. So I was that for you.

1143
00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 6: It was awesome.

1144
00:50:14,080 --> 00:50:16,480
Speaker 3: It was awesome because it was in Dallas State year too,

1145
00:50:16,840 --> 00:50:18,520
Speaker 3: so you know I was going home.

1146
00:50:19,120 --> 00:50:21,399
Speaker 6: All my family was there. They could come, come, come

1147
00:50:21,400 --> 00:50:21,919
Speaker 6: to the game.

1148
00:50:22,000 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 3: And you know, it definitely mentalized like you said, I mean,

1149
00:50:25,080 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: it was that stuff when you're a kid. Like they

1150
00:50:28,160 --> 00:50:30,080
Speaker 3: showed a yearbook when we're playing Santannia because I lived

1151
00:50:30,120 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 3: in Santannia for two years and that's what I wanted

1152
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 3: to be when when I grow up in NBA All Star.

1153
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:39,960
Speaker 4: So that was fifth grade. I think I finally.

1154
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:42,640
Speaker 6: Realized my you know, my dream, my goal was and

1155
00:50:42,800 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 6: was there.

1156
00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,239
Speaker 5: That's crazy twenty eleven, right, were sitting there in the lockdown,

1157
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:51,520
Speaker 5: How did you end up getting a five million dollar

1158
00:50:52,000 --> 00:50:53,640
Speaker 5: contract to play in Turkey?

1159
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: Like you I don't recall.

1160
00:50:55,840 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 5: Nobody going nowhere from no five minute for the one year.

1161
00:50:58,600 --> 00:50:59,720
Speaker 5: How did that come about?

1162
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,480
Speaker 6: It wasn't quite five meal, but it was. It was

1163
00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 6: a good change. It was a good change, you know.

1164
00:51:07,800 --> 00:51:10,000
Speaker 3: So you know, we had all those meetings that year

1165
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 3: before where they was talking about the lockout. It was

1166
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:14,400
Speaker 3: telling us prepare for the lockout, you know, telling everybody

1167
00:51:14,480 --> 00:51:17,560
Speaker 3: saved their money, prepare for it to last the whole season.

1168
00:51:18,120 --> 00:51:20,880
Speaker 3: Right in my mind, I'm thinking, we're just too far apart.

1169
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:21,160
Speaker 4: Just go.

1170
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,719
Speaker 3: And I had been to the meetings, you know, I

1171
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:25,720
Speaker 3: had been to the meetings and had heard the owners

1172
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 3: and how the grease it.

1173
00:51:26,520 --> 00:51:29,759
Speaker 6: He was talking to us, and so I'm like, this

1174
00:51:29,920 --> 00:51:30,759
Speaker 6: is gonna last a year.

1175
00:51:30,800 --> 00:51:31,120
Speaker 4: It's not.

1176
00:51:31,640 --> 00:51:32,920
Speaker 3: And I'm like, I don't want to be out of

1177
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,480
Speaker 3: basketball for a year. So Jeff Schwartz was my agent

1178
00:51:36,560 --> 00:51:39,439
Speaker 3: at the time, and I basically told him like, Hey,

1179
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:43,879
Speaker 3: come across anything interesting, you don't let me know. Soon

1180
00:51:43,920 --> 00:51:45,960
Speaker 3: after he came back and said this team and in

1181
00:51:46,040 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 3: stumbled Turkey was interested. And then I hit up memo occur.

1182
00:51:50,800 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 3: You know, he'd always been high on Turkey. Anyway, I've

1183
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 3: been wanting to visit. So I ended up going over

1184
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 3: there and playing took the whole family over there, and

1185
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,120
Speaker 3: honestly it was a once in a life time experience

1186
00:52:02,160 --> 00:52:03,600
Speaker 3: and something I'm glad I did.

1187
00:52:03,760 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 5: Tell me how because I can only speak from what

1188
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,000
Speaker 5: I see on TV.

1189
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 2: But are their.

1190
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,520
Speaker 5: Fans like when you touch down where they going crazy

1191
00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 5: in the airports? Where you able to go places normally

1192
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:18,920
Speaker 5: with your family and have dinner without fans going completely

1193
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,720
Speaker 5: crazy because you were, you know, an NBA star, legit

1194
00:52:22,920 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 5: NBA all started playing in their league, was it like

1195
00:52:25,320 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 5: almost pandemonium everywhere you went?

1196
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,120
Speaker 3: So it wasn't that crazy, you know, It's not like

1197
00:52:30,239 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 3: Lebron walking around and nothing like that. But they have

1198
00:52:33,760 --> 00:52:38,320
Speaker 3: loyalty to their team. There's three teams. There's four teams.

1199
00:52:38,360 --> 00:52:41,600
Speaker 3: You know, the team I played for is Bashita's Tosh.

1200
00:52:41,680 --> 00:52:46,399
Speaker 3: There was SPINNERBATCHI and Galatsa Roy. So there's these three

1201
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 3: teams that kind of it's like Liverpool, you know, Manchester United, Chelsea. Right,

1202
00:52:52,800 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 3: you're either one of these fans and when you're that team,

1203
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 3: you die hard.

1204
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,560
Speaker 6: You don't like that other team.

1205
00:52:57,760 --> 00:53:00,840
Speaker 3: Right right, And so like if I I was around

1206
00:53:00,880 --> 00:53:03,440
Speaker 3: like with the Shita fans, you know, it would be

1207
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 3: hard to move and move around.

1208
00:53:06,120 --> 00:53:07,719
Speaker 6: But for the most part. It was it was cool.

1209
00:53:07,760 --> 00:53:09,880
Speaker 6: I mean it was I enjoyed it.

1210
00:53:09,880 --> 00:53:13,520
Speaker 3: Man, I didn't get bothered so much where it was

1211
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 3: out of control. It was kind of like being back

1212
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:16,719
Speaker 3: in the States. It's kind of being in Utah. You know,

1213
00:53:17,600 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 3: people respectful and then you you know, every now and

1214
00:53:20,480 --> 00:53:22,720
Speaker 3: then you'd run into like a rowdy where you catch

1215
00:53:22,960 --> 00:53:24,839
Speaker 3: you know, twenty people that all knew you, and then

1216
00:53:24,880 --> 00:53:27,840
Speaker 3: it was you know, pandemonium. But they gave me security

1217
00:53:27,840 --> 00:53:30,160
Speaker 3: over there. I had a driver, so I was able

1218
00:53:30,160 --> 00:53:33,160
Speaker 3: to get in and out places, and you know, they

1219
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:34,400
Speaker 3: made it smooth for me over there.

1220
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: Well, you got traded from Utah, was it was just

1221
00:53:37,360 --> 00:53:39,320
Speaker 1: time for a new setting.

1222
00:53:40,640 --> 00:53:45,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I think the stuff that transpired with

1223
00:53:45,560 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 3: coach Loan when he resigned that and like, I think

1224
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:50,879
Speaker 3: I had already come to them and kind of led

1225
00:53:50,920 --> 00:53:53,520
Speaker 3: them to believe that I was gonna leave, and so

1226
00:53:53,640 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 3: I think that's why they went ahead and traded me

1227
00:53:55,400 --> 00:53:57,040
Speaker 3: so they could get get something.

1228
00:53:56,800 --> 00:53:57,239
Speaker 6: Back from me.

1229
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,600
Speaker 3: You know, looking back on it, you know, it's one

1230
00:53:59,640 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 3: of the things where you like, you don't appreciate.

1231
00:54:01,719 --> 00:54:03,040
Speaker 6: Stuff until it's.

1232
00:54:02,880 --> 00:54:06,080
Speaker 3: Gone, you know, go somewhere. So you know, I had

1233
00:54:06,120 --> 00:54:09,399
Speaker 3: never really lost in my career. I mean in high

1234
00:54:09,440 --> 00:54:12,560
Speaker 3: school I lost eight games. College, whole college career, I

1235
00:54:12,600 --> 00:54:15,759
Speaker 3: lost fifteen games. And then I go to Utah. In

1236
00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 3: my first year were forty one and forty one. It's

1237
00:54:19,080 --> 00:54:21,600
Speaker 3: the playoffs by one game. So that was my most

1238
00:54:21,640 --> 00:54:24,480
Speaker 3: losses ever. And after that we won over forty five

1239
00:54:24,520 --> 00:54:27,759
Speaker 3: games every year. And I get traded and I go

1240
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 3: to go to New Jersey.

1241
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:34,400
Speaker 4: Man, all right, yeah, how was that for you?

1242
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:36,640
Speaker 1: I know there was a lot of strong power and

1243
00:54:36,640 --> 00:54:39,640
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff that they wanted, the video team,

1244
00:54:39,800 --> 00:54:44,080
Speaker 1: and I know it's a lot going on. It's new ownership.

1245
00:54:44,719 --> 00:54:47,560
Speaker 1: It was just a chaos. So yeah, man, I mean

1246
00:54:47,600 --> 00:54:49,399
Speaker 1: it was tough. It got to be tough.

1247
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:51,680
Speaker 3: I enjoyed a lot of stuff about being in New York,

1248
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,560
Speaker 3: about about the Nets organization. You know, I had great

1249
00:54:54,560 --> 00:54:58,359
Speaker 3: teammates when I was there, great friendships, all that, but

1250
00:54:58,560 --> 00:55:01,200
Speaker 3: it was tough from a basketball stay point for me.

1251
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 6: I think looking.

1252
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,480
Speaker 3: Back, I played for four coaches in three and a

1253
00:55:04,480 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 3: half years as a point guard. You're talking about point

1254
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 3: guard who just came from this system, right, that was

1255
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,400
Speaker 3: just ran perfectly, coach perfectly. And then now I'm learning

1256
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 3: the new offense. The new players every single year, and

1257
00:55:21,040 --> 00:55:23,359
Speaker 3: there was just no consistency and it was just hard

1258
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 3: to get into a rhythm, hard to get into that.

1259
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,080
Speaker 3: And then I started getting injured. On top of that,

1260
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,360
Speaker 3: I started losing confidence, and so it started eating at me.

1261
00:55:31,520 --> 00:55:31,839
Speaker 4: To start.

1262
00:55:31,840 --> 00:55:33,600
Speaker 3: I really started losing my love for the game when

1263
00:55:33,600 --> 00:55:35,640
Speaker 3: I was there, because it's just like it just seemed

1264
00:55:35,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 3: like everything.

1265
00:55:36,200 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 6: Was going wrong.

1266
00:55:38,080 --> 00:55:41,640
Speaker 5: Yeah, and that's the exact wrong place for it to

1267
00:55:41,680 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 5: be going wrong.

1268
00:55:44,560 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 2: All the time.

1269
00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:48,400
Speaker 5: Like I played four years there for the Knicks. It

1270
00:55:48,520 --> 00:55:51,640
Speaker 5: kind of goes both ways because those fans, while they

1271
00:55:52,080 --> 00:55:55,400
Speaker 5: can be some of the most passionate and best fans

1272
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,200
Speaker 5: on the planet, they very smart. They in the know,

1273
00:55:59,480 --> 00:56:01,560
Speaker 5: They know about their team and what's going on with

1274
00:56:01,600 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 5: their team, but sometimes they don't have a gauge to

1275
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:07,800
Speaker 5: see that these are people you're dealing with.

1276
00:56:08,120 --> 00:56:10,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, for me, I don't think I would have had

1277
00:56:11,000 --> 00:56:13,239
Speaker 3: a problem playing in New York, Like, I don't think

1278
00:56:13,280 --> 00:56:16,239
Speaker 3: that was the problem. Yeah, the media was bad and

1279
00:56:16,280 --> 00:56:18,960
Speaker 3: this and that. But the thing with me is, like,

1280
00:56:19,880 --> 00:56:21,399
Speaker 3: you know, all that stuff that I used to use

1281
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:26,919
Speaker 3: inspire shut it down. My body wouldn't let me get

1282
00:56:26,960 --> 00:56:28,960
Speaker 3: back to the point where I was at right, and

1283
00:56:29,000 --> 00:56:32,200
Speaker 3: so then I couldn't be that player I was before.

1284
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 4: It just I was.

1285
00:56:34,160 --> 00:56:36,520
Speaker 6: Getting hurt missing games.

1286
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:38,839
Speaker 3: I felt like I felt like I'm letting people down

1287
00:56:38,880 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 3: because I'm missing games, and.

1288
00:56:41,600 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: It was just frustrating. I tell the young generation about

1289
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:47,360
Speaker 1: like how you were saying you lost the love for

1290
00:56:47,440 --> 00:56:48,759
Speaker 1: the game, and I was telling them, like, when you

1291
00:56:48,840 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: playing this in the NBA, when it all turned a

1292
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,319
Speaker 1: business and stuff like that, you got to fight for

1293
00:56:53,400 --> 00:56:57,120
Speaker 1: your love because every time I played, who was deciding

1294
00:56:57,160 --> 00:57:01,440
Speaker 1: to start over? We're finn rebuild and you gotta fight

1295
00:57:01,520 --> 00:57:04,440
Speaker 1: for that love, just your love for the game, not

1296
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:06,960
Speaker 1: depending on anybody else. You gotta fight for your own

1297
00:57:07,000 --> 00:57:09,680
Speaker 1: love for the game to keep your motivation to get

1298
00:57:09,760 --> 00:57:11,680
Speaker 1: up and go to these gyms and get up and

1299
00:57:11,719 --> 00:57:13,480
Speaker 1: work out and get up and try to keep your

1300
00:57:13,520 --> 00:57:16,680
Speaker 1: body strong to even be out there to perform at

1301
00:57:16,680 --> 00:57:18,720
Speaker 1: the level that you need to be performing at.

1302
00:57:18,960 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 4: Sometimes you be and his mother like, man, I got money, all.

1303
00:57:21,400 --> 00:57:23,480
Speaker 1: This shit, he's supposed like they don't give a fuck,

1304
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:24,439
Speaker 1: So I don't give him fuck.

1305
00:57:25,520 --> 00:57:26,200
Speaker 4: You know what I'm saying.

1306
00:57:26,960 --> 00:57:28,920
Speaker 5: I did kind of some of the same thing you

1307
00:57:28,960 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 5: just said. Like in New York and so my first year,

1308
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,240
Speaker 5: my brother got shot and killed, and I, you know,

1309
00:57:34,280 --> 00:57:37,240
Speaker 5: I went home, got there and tried to come back

1310
00:57:37,360 --> 00:57:39,680
Speaker 5: right away and just you know, keep it moving. But

1311
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 5: I didn't, you know, I didn't deal with it the

1312
00:57:41,600 --> 00:57:43,280
Speaker 5: way I should have. Didn't get the help and this

1313
00:57:43,320 --> 00:57:45,640
Speaker 5: and that. So I was dealing with that. That was

1314
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,280
Speaker 5: that was, that was in my head, bothering me long

1315
00:57:48,320 --> 00:57:50,600
Speaker 5: the season. Then I'm playing terror, I'm not playing well

1316
00:57:50,640 --> 00:57:52,240
Speaker 5: like you said, you know what I'm saying, you feel

1317
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 5: like you're letting people down. Then your confidence is up,

1318
00:57:56,760 --> 00:57:59,040
Speaker 5: and now you asking yourself, like and what's going on

1319
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:01,360
Speaker 5: with me? Like you I'm saying, you questioned yourself. So

1320
00:58:01,440 --> 00:58:03,280
Speaker 5: then it's like all that's going on.

1321
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:04,040
Speaker 6: I'm hurt too.

1322
00:58:04,120 --> 00:58:05,640
Speaker 5: You get hurt, like you say, you're trying to do

1323
00:58:05,720 --> 00:58:07,440
Speaker 5: the things did you know, to get you back to

1324
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:09,480
Speaker 5: the normal. When you grind, you grind, So then I

1325
00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 5: have hurt my back and the same thing like I'm

1326
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 5: like this New York Like you know what I'm saying,

1327
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:16,080
Speaker 5: Like I can't not play, can't not sit out.

1328
00:58:16,080 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: I ain't about to be the dude they putting in

1329
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:19,560
Speaker 2: the paper talking about he making this much. He ain't

1330
00:58:19,560 --> 00:58:20,360
Speaker 2: playing he ain't this.

1331
00:58:20,480 --> 00:58:23,240
Speaker 5: So I'm like, the longer i'm playing, I'm playing, I'm playing,

1332
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:24,360
Speaker 5: I'm worse than my back.

1333
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:26,600
Speaker 2: I make my back worse, and words like hurting it

1334
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,000
Speaker 2: in my disc I'm making it worse and worse.

1335
00:58:28,040 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 5: So then I finally get to the point to where

1336
00:58:30,040 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 5: where I can't even sit down on the airplane, sit

1337
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 5: down on the bus. They gotta lay me out. So

1338
00:58:34,040 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 5: then I get surgery. I waited all way up to marsh.

1339
00:58:36,200 --> 00:58:39,480
Speaker 5: You get surgery, and then it's like you see, like, bro,

1340
00:58:39,560 --> 00:58:40,680
Speaker 5: you should have been did this.

1341
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:43,680
Speaker 2: It's just go back to what you said.

1342
00:58:43,720 --> 00:58:47,440
Speaker 5: You didn't let New York and everything is going on

1343
00:58:47,720 --> 00:58:50,080
Speaker 5: creep into your head and into your world.

1344
00:58:50,240 --> 00:58:53,760
Speaker 3: And the hardest thing is when these stories started coming

1345
00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:55,959
Speaker 3: out and it's just like it's like that shit didn't

1346
00:58:55,960 --> 00:58:56,440
Speaker 3: ever happen.

1347
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:59,520
Speaker 6: I'll just just sitting up here just making shit up.

1348
00:59:00,080 --> 00:59:01,080
Speaker 2: That's when you laugh at it.

1349
00:59:01,120 --> 00:59:02,880
Speaker 5: Though, Like at that point I did four years, so

1350
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:04,240
Speaker 5: I got to the point where I was able to

1351
00:59:04,280 --> 00:59:05,040
Speaker 5: see through all.

1352
00:59:04,960 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 2: Of the cutterness. And I appreciate New York what it was,

1353
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:09,000
Speaker 2: but I think the.

1354
00:59:08,960 --> 00:59:12,160
Speaker 5: One thing that where they are misunderstood because like they

1355
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 5: don't care.

1356
00:59:13,040 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 2: You could be terrible.

1357
00:59:14,120 --> 00:59:15,760
Speaker 5: But if they say you go on your ass out

1358
00:59:15,800 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 5: there and you going crazy, you going all out, playing

1359
00:59:18,560 --> 00:59:20,840
Speaker 5: super hard, they gonna know your ass to death.

1360
00:59:21,160 --> 00:59:23,200
Speaker 6: You know what I'm saying. Gardens my first place to play.

1361
00:59:25,360 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 1: Gardens always love to guard. It's dirty and the motherfucking that.

1362
00:59:30,200 --> 00:59:33,720
Speaker 5: Motherfucker comedy fans don't like these new age fans don't

1363
00:59:33,800 --> 00:59:36,960
Speaker 5: understand why everybody seen something on the thing, something on

1364
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:37,479
Speaker 5: social media.

1365
00:59:37,560 --> 00:59:39,840
Speaker 2: Somebody put like, nah, this they was asking which dunk

1366
00:59:39,920 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 2: was better than something. They was like nah.

1367
00:59:41,520 --> 00:59:43,400
Speaker 5: Somebody put in the coming on, nah this was in

1368
00:59:43,440 --> 00:59:46,080
Speaker 5: the garden though. Somebody full like, what do that mean?

1369
00:59:46,120 --> 00:59:48,640
Speaker 5: Why everybody said, I said, see, that's the young people stuck.

1370
00:59:48,640 --> 00:59:50,520
Speaker 5: I don't know the history or something and why I

1371
00:59:50,600 --> 00:59:52,000
Speaker 5: mean a little different up in there.

1372
00:59:52,880 --> 00:59:54,640
Speaker 4: You just feel it when you come up in there.

1373
00:59:54,800 --> 00:59:57,680
Speaker 1: You come from the bottom of the old school elevator

1374
00:59:57,680 --> 01:00:01,560
Speaker 1: and ship, you come up there, you just feel it

1375
01:00:01,800 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: like you want.

1376
01:00:02,680 --> 01:00:03,640
Speaker 4: To performed in that well.

1377
01:00:03,720 --> 01:00:05,880
Speaker 1: For everybody want to have their best game in the guards,

1378
01:00:06,040 --> 01:00:08,520
Speaker 1: okay for who you bless you feel?

1379
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:11,840
Speaker 5: And how was it to play at home in Dallas?

1380
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:13,480
Speaker 5: I know it was, you know, it was towards the

1381
01:00:13,560 --> 01:00:15,919
Speaker 5: end of everything, but like I know, that still had

1382
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:18,320
Speaker 5: to be like an adult feeling just to you know,

1383
01:00:18,360 --> 01:00:20,360
Speaker 5: you got your family and everything on deck.

1384
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:21,440
Speaker 2: How was that for you?

1385
01:00:21,520 --> 01:00:21,720
Speaker 4: Yeah?

1386
01:00:21,760 --> 01:00:24,040
Speaker 3: That was honestly I started to get that kind of

1387
01:00:24,040 --> 01:00:26,320
Speaker 3: get that love back when I came back to Dallas, right,

1388
01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:29,680
Speaker 3: you know, I just it was just a different feeling

1389
01:00:29,720 --> 01:00:32,960
Speaker 3: in the organization, you know, a lot more stable, I

1390
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:36,640
Speaker 3: feel like organization. You know, RC had been there for

1391
01:00:36,720 --> 01:00:41,320
Speaker 3: seven years and q Q was been there, you know,

1392
01:00:41,400 --> 01:00:44,120
Speaker 3: and so it was great, man, being back home. I

1393
01:00:44,120 --> 01:00:46,200
Speaker 3: don't know if you know, Dirt, but Dirt good dude

1394
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,480
Speaker 3: to play with. Men you don't don't get much better

1395
01:00:48,480 --> 01:00:51,600
Speaker 3: than him, you know, as far as superstars, man, he's

1396
01:00:51,680 --> 01:00:55,000
Speaker 3: just he's very humble, just and uh, you know, I

1397
01:00:55,080 --> 01:00:57,160
Speaker 3: enjoyed playing there. I had a lot of a lot of

1398
01:00:57,160 --> 01:00:59,200
Speaker 3: friends on the team, so you know, it was good

1399
01:00:59,200 --> 01:01:00,000
Speaker 3: times being back there.

1400
01:01:01,280 --> 01:01:04,280
Speaker 1: How was it to get selected to the USA team

1401
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: and to see your teammates of like, all right, this

1402
01:01:08,440 --> 01:01:11,600
Speaker 1: is my group right here. You know, we all watched

1403
01:01:11,600 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: the Dream Team. We always wanted to play for the

1404
01:01:13,960 --> 01:01:16,800
Speaker 1: United States and to see that now you can played

1405
01:01:16,800 --> 01:01:20,200
Speaker 1: with CP, like now they got both of y'all, Like

1406
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: plus you got all this rip.

1407
01:01:22,040 --> 01:01:24,480
Speaker 3: I was that experience man playing for the I mean,

1408
01:01:24,520 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 3: playing when those two gold medals obviously my biggest accomplishment

1409
01:01:27,960 --> 01:01:28,600
Speaker 3: as an athlete.

1410
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 6: And like you said, I mean when you look back now,

1411
01:01:31,480 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 6: like half.

1412
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:34,760
Speaker 3: The people I meet, if they don't know who I am,

1413
01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:36,600
Speaker 3: I don't tell them who I am, and then they

1414
01:01:36,640 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 3: find out later and then they'll be like damn. I

1415
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:41,840
Speaker 3: would look you up and you play. You had two

1416
01:01:41,840 --> 01:01:44,600
Speaker 3: gold medals and you played with and then they asked

1417
01:01:44,640 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 3: me how that was? How was it playing with Kobe?

1418
01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:48,800
Speaker 3: How was it playing with Lebron? How is it playing

1419
01:01:48,800 --> 01:01:51,200
Speaker 3: with d Wade? You know what I'm saying, And just

1420
01:01:51,240 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 3: thinking of that right now, But think the house going

1421
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,920
Speaker 3: to be, you know, twenty thirty, forty years from now,

1422
01:01:54,960 --> 01:01:56,720
Speaker 3: when I look at that and be like, I.

1423
01:01:56,680 --> 01:01:58,440
Speaker 6: Played with these do I played with the greats?

1424
01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:58,680
Speaker 4: You know?

1425
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:02,480
Speaker 3: I played with Lebron, arguably the greatest player to ever

1426
01:02:02,520 --> 01:02:04,880
Speaker 3: played the game, you know, And so there's definitely a

1427
01:02:04,880 --> 01:02:07,200
Speaker 3: special time. It was an honor to represent, you know,

1428
01:02:07,280 --> 01:02:10,479
Speaker 3: our country and go over there and compete for gold

1429
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:12,720
Speaker 3: medal because it's something a lot of people don't get

1430
01:02:12,720 --> 01:02:14,120
Speaker 3: a chance to do. I mean, there's not many people

1431
01:02:14,680 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 3: could say, you know, they have Olympic gold medal.

1432
01:02:17,640 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 5: Yeah, I take it back to you, like when you say,

1433
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:22,800
Speaker 5: I'm the little chubby Dowie kidd coming in just overlooked.

1434
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:25,320
Speaker 5: And then you look at it like because that's a

1435
01:02:25,360 --> 01:02:27,840
Speaker 5: different level than making league.

1436
01:02:28,040 --> 01:02:31,080
Speaker 2: That's a different level than making an All Star team.

1437
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:34,520
Speaker 2: That's a different level than all that. That's like, these

1438
01:02:34,560 --> 01:02:35,360
Speaker 2: are the elite.

1439
01:02:36,080 --> 01:02:38,080
Speaker 5: Now we're gonna come in here and take the elite

1440
01:02:38,080 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 5: from the elite put them on the USA team. So

1441
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:43,800
Speaker 5: that's like one of the highest honors in basketball. And

1442
01:02:43,880 --> 01:02:45,680
Speaker 5: then y'all went out there and took here a business

1443
01:02:45,680 --> 01:02:47,160
Speaker 5: all times and got gold medal.

1444
01:02:47,240 --> 01:02:48,680
Speaker 2: So that's doubled down.

1445
01:02:49,400 --> 01:02:51,200
Speaker 4: How far was the basketball for you?

1446
01:02:51,840 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 1: The conversation is just sitting on the sideline the ice

1447
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 1: it down together to laugh, to talk about guys that

1448
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 1: you never had a conversation in your life with which

1449
01:03:00,360 --> 01:03:02,040
Speaker 1: you always admired from before.

1450
01:03:02,400 --> 01:03:04,200
Speaker 6: So I was that's that was the best part.

1451
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:07,080
Speaker 3: It's always a commodity, you know, And you know, you

1452
01:03:07,120 --> 01:03:08,960
Speaker 3: guys know when you left the league and you know

1453
01:03:09,240 --> 01:03:12,040
Speaker 3: that you damn sure miss playing, you miss competing. Yeah,

1454
01:03:12,080 --> 01:03:14,240
Speaker 3: I mean there's I still miss it. Whish I get

1455
01:03:14,240 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 3: back out there now, but I'll get I'll get hurt walking.

1456
01:03:16,560 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 6: Down the street.

1457
01:03:17,560 --> 01:03:21,200
Speaker 3: So but I think the most is after practice, you know,

1458
01:03:21,640 --> 01:03:24,240
Speaker 3: being in that locker room for an hour, just shooting

1459
01:03:24,240 --> 01:03:26,840
Speaker 3: the ship, just talking, just and I think that was

1460
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,440
Speaker 3: the best thing about the Olympics. You know, obviously when

1461
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 3: to go medal, but just the card games, you know,

1462
01:03:33,240 --> 01:03:36,360
Speaker 3: the meals, the bus rides. You know, we had had

1463
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,400
Speaker 3: two hour bus rides sometimes in some of these places.

1464
01:03:39,440 --> 01:03:42,040
Speaker 3: Just all that stuff was was just memories, man, memories

1465
01:03:42,040 --> 01:03:44,800
Speaker 3: that you always cherished. And I saw something about d

1466
01:03:44,920 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 3: Wade was maybe coming out with a documentary on that

1467
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:49,240
Speaker 3: first team, on the redeem team.

1468
01:03:49,920 --> 01:03:51,040
Speaker 6: I damn sure, I want to see that.

1469
01:03:51,160 --> 01:03:54,440
Speaker 4: I hope he does that.

1470
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:55,600
Speaker 2: I know what I want to ask.

1471
01:03:55,720 --> 01:03:58,280
Speaker 5: You liked us. You came from humble beginnings. Let's say

1472
01:03:58,320 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 5: you know, humble beginnings. But when you first got to

1473
01:04:00,600 --> 01:04:03,880
Speaker 5: the league, you first got that bag, what did you

1474
01:04:03,960 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 5: do to treat yourself? Did you know you're older than

1475
01:04:06,800 --> 01:04:08,440
Speaker 5: now you retired, you could look back and say they

1476
01:04:08,440 --> 01:04:11,320
Speaker 5: probably wasn't the best decision, But at the time I

1477
01:04:11,360 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 5: appreciated the hell out of it, enjoyed the hell out

1478
01:04:13,680 --> 01:04:14,320
Speaker 5: of that decision?

1479
01:04:14,360 --> 01:04:16,560
Speaker 2: What did you do when you got the bag?

1480
01:04:17,320 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 3: So first thing I did, well, I'm in the house.

1481
01:04:20,080 --> 01:04:24,040
Speaker 3: But first thing I did for me, right was I

1482
01:04:24,080 --> 01:04:26,880
Speaker 3: got a car. I gotta SUV, I gotta i't got

1483
01:04:26,960 --> 01:04:30,000
Speaker 3: to navigator. Okay, I thought this thing was the baddest

1484
01:04:30,000 --> 01:04:33,520
Speaker 3: thing ever. Looking back now now I think about it,

1485
01:04:33,520 --> 01:04:36,600
Speaker 3: it was atrocious. It was what did you do? It

1486
01:04:36,680 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 3: was like colors from the top to the bottom.

1487
01:04:41,280 --> 01:04:47,439
Speaker 2: You know, man, you got the chameleon joint.

1488
01:04:47,440 --> 01:04:49,480
Speaker 6: Well when you come it was a comedian.

1489
01:04:49,560 --> 01:04:52,440
Speaker 3: It was like silver it's and then like changed to

1490
01:04:52,560 --> 01:04:57,360
Speaker 3: like darker gray down at the bottom. I didn't do that, yeah,

1491
01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 3: wheel that you had, d wheeling the seats and another

1492
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:00,720
Speaker 3: So I I didn't even get that far.

1493
01:05:00,800 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 2: Let me tell you why.

1494
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 3: So I'm off this truck right, it's SUV right in Texas. Okay,

1495
01:05:08,640 --> 01:05:11,880
Speaker 3: this is before the draft. Right, I'm in Houston. I'm driving,

1496
01:05:11,960 --> 01:05:15,560
Speaker 3: you know, back and forth to Dallas Houston. I get

1497
01:05:15,640 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 3: drafted by Utah. I ship it out to Utah. This

1498
01:05:19,560 --> 01:05:21,000
Speaker 3: is my first time ever shipping the car. I ain't

1499
01:05:21,000 --> 01:05:23,800
Speaker 3: never did this. So I loaded up all like when

1500
01:05:23,800 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 3: we were at the Rookie Symposium and the rookie photo shoot.

1501
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:28,840
Speaker 6: All that I had, all my memory b I had

1502
01:05:28,880 --> 01:05:30,040
Speaker 6: signed by everybody.

1503
01:05:30,240 --> 01:05:31,600
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. I had all that stuff.

1504
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 3: I put it in the back. I didn't ship it

1505
01:05:33,480 --> 01:05:38,920
Speaker 3: in close. Right it gets it gets to to Utah.

1506
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:41,440
Speaker 3: I'm about to pull all my stuff out going there.

1507
01:05:41,440 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 3: It's empty, there's nothing broken, there's no windows broken. So

1508
01:05:46,680 --> 01:05:49,800
Speaker 3: it had to be the driver. But it also says

1509
01:05:49,800 --> 01:05:51,960
Speaker 3: on the contract they're not responsible for anything on the

1510
01:05:51,960 --> 01:05:57,080
Speaker 3: inside of the car. That's not the worst that's not

1511
01:05:57,120 --> 01:05:57,840
Speaker 3: the worst part though.

1512
01:05:58,040 --> 01:05:58,880
Speaker 6: All this happens.

1513
01:05:59,280 --> 01:06:02,040
Speaker 3: All this happens right. So my house and Utah is

1514
01:06:02,080 --> 01:06:04,480
Speaker 3: up on it. It's like when you're in Salt Lake.

1515
01:06:04,520 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 3: It's looking over like downtown. It's like the last row

1516
01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,120
Speaker 3: of houses before you turn the corner of the mountain.

1517
01:06:11,440 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 6: So it's uphill.

1518
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:17,600
Speaker 3: So winter hits right and I'm going to get up

1519
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: this hill and it's snowing and I can't get.

1520
01:06:20,280 --> 01:06:22,440
Speaker 4: Up the hill. Can't I get this? A damn shue?

1521
01:06:22,440 --> 01:06:24,360
Speaker 4: Why can't I get up the hill? Man?

1522
01:06:24,360 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 3: It's two wheel drive. Man, I didn't even know it.

1523
01:06:27,680 --> 01:06:36,240
Speaker 3: All subs was all wheel drive. I don't know, no, no, man,

1524
01:06:38,200 --> 01:06:43,360
Speaker 3: it up for a two wheels drive Navigator.

1525
01:06:48,840 --> 01:06:52,520
Speaker 2: That is crazy. That's crazy.

1526
01:06:53,960 --> 01:06:55,920
Speaker 5: So that's why you look back on that purchase and

1527
01:06:55,960 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 5: say that was just all bad.

1528
01:06:57,120 --> 01:06:58,040
Speaker 4: Because I had to get rid of it.

1529
01:06:58,040 --> 01:06:58,440
Speaker 2: The next day.

1530
01:06:58,480 --> 01:06:59,720
Speaker 6: I went down and bought a G Wagon.

1531
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:04,439
Speaker 5: Oh uh, that's part of upgrade, you know, it's all great.

1532
01:07:05,200 --> 01:07:06,080
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1533
01:07:07,480 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: So when you was coming up, who's them guys that

1534
01:07:10,080 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 1: you was like, man, I want to be like that person.

1535
01:07:14,320 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 3: Earlier Jay kids, like the main two GP and Kid.

1536
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:21,520
Speaker 3: You know, they were bigger point guards. You know, they

1537
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:24,360
Speaker 3: weren't the fastest, they went the quickest.

1538
01:07:24,560 --> 01:07:25,600
Speaker 4: G was kind of fast.

1539
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,720
Speaker 3: Their games kind of resonate with mind. You know, everybody

1540
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:31,880
Speaker 3: wanted to be a I back then. You just couldn't

1541
01:07:31,880 --> 01:07:32,000
Speaker 3: do it.

1542
01:07:32,440 --> 01:07:37,120
Speaker 4: Everybody can't be a I, you know.

1543
01:07:37,200 --> 01:07:38,480
Speaker 3: But even before them, because like I said, I was

1544
01:07:38,480 --> 01:07:40,120
Speaker 3: a student in the game, So you know, I watched

1545
01:07:40,200 --> 01:07:47,520
Speaker 3: I watched Magic, I watched John m hm hm, Steph Steph, Steve,

1546
01:07:47,640 --> 01:07:52,640
Speaker 3: Steve Francis franchise, Franchise, Problem b D.

1547
01:07:55,880 --> 01:08:00,800
Speaker 6: I was a big bad fan. Yeah, mh, I liked

1548
01:08:00,840 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 6: I like watching all the big guards.

1549
01:08:03,680 --> 01:08:06,560
Speaker 2: Let let me ask you this start bench cut.

1550
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:08,800
Speaker 6: Oh, here we go, let's go.

1551
01:08:09,040 --> 01:08:14,120
Speaker 2: Gilb the Rens, Baron Davis and Steve Francis.

1552
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,840
Speaker 3: Were talking and we're talking about all in their primes,

1553
01:08:17,160 --> 01:08:17,719
Speaker 3: all prime.

1554
01:08:17,760 --> 01:08:18,360
Speaker 2: It's our era.

1555
01:08:18,520 --> 01:08:22,000
Speaker 5: These dudes we played against and all that you got

1556
01:08:22,080 --> 01:08:23,880
Speaker 5: you you you came in as a young boy.

1557
01:08:24,479 --> 01:08:29,640
Speaker 3: We're talking about offense only everything, total paggage whatever, you

1558
01:08:29,680 --> 01:08:32,040
Speaker 3: guys see all because all of them was held on

1559
01:08:32,080 --> 01:08:34,880
Speaker 3: you in the prime, every last one. On the man,

1560
01:08:34,880 --> 01:08:38,479
Speaker 3: I might have to start aging zero. Man, it's a

1561
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:42,840
Speaker 3: problem serious, like he would have stayed healthy. Oh my gosh,

1562
01:08:43,160 --> 01:08:44,479
Speaker 3: you might have been talking about him as one of

1563
01:08:44,520 --> 01:08:47,200
Speaker 3: the best to ever do it. Record books. Yeah, man,

1564
01:08:47,240 --> 01:08:50,920
Speaker 3: people don't realize. Man gave me, well, he gave me fifty.

1565
01:08:50,960 --> 01:08:52,320
Speaker 3: But it was a lot of it.

1566
01:08:52,240 --> 01:08:53,280
Speaker 6: Was on the fish.

1567
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,480
Speaker 4: Game that he had on the uh when on the

1568
01:08:58,600 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 4: on the game on me? Yeah, that was on me

1569
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:08,240
Speaker 4: in his face.

1570
01:09:09,640 --> 01:09:14,120
Speaker 1: Great, I remember that when you said it, like, yeah, man,

1571
01:09:14,640 --> 01:09:16,160
Speaker 1: my hand was all in his ship.

1572
01:09:17,680 --> 01:09:20,519
Speaker 2: You're walking off. I see it.

1573
01:09:21,120 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 3: I see it now, Stevie franchise mm hm, damn, man,

1574
01:09:30,400 --> 01:09:31,400
Speaker 3: you're gonna make me cut bed.

1575
01:09:32,720 --> 01:09:34,160
Speaker 4: You're gonna cut boy.

1576
01:09:34,479 --> 01:09:35,519
Speaker 6: I can't you do it?

1577
01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 4: What you gonna We're gonna start g a You're gonna

1578
01:09:40,000 --> 01:09:41,960
Speaker 4: bence franchise. You're gonna cut me.

1579
01:09:43,040 --> 01:09:54,400
Speaker 3: I don't want to, my lord you bro hey, Uh.

1580
01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 4: That's it. Now we're gonna we're gonna bench be d

1581
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:56,400
Speaker 4: We're gonna cut Stevie.

1582
01:09:57,760 --> 01:10:01,519
Speaker 1: Well, I got I gotta Today's you know you O

1583
01:10:01,680 --> 01:10:05,920
Speaker 1: g now today.

1584
01:10:04,360 --> 01:10:06,720
Speaker 2: Give you that now you you are o G Now.

1585
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:07,560
Speaker 2: That showed.

1586
01:10:09,479 --> 01:10:11,679
Speaker 5: Not just he was trying to fight and he didn't

1587
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:13,679
Speaker 5: want to let it marry and get up in his spirit.

1588
01:10:13,760 --> 01:10:15,360
Speaker 5: But now he didn't let he didn't got called it

1589
01:10:15,479 --> 01:10:17,479
Speaker 5: too many times, but he just had to just live

1590
01:10:17,560 --> 01:10:17,760
Speaker 5: with it.

1591
01:10:18,280 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, but this cut, Uh, Kyrie, Dame, Steph, Steph hurt.

1592
01:10:28,240 --> 01:10:33,760
Speaker 6: Start start stuff. I'm a bench Dame, I'm gonna cut

1593
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:35,880
Speaker 6: read mm hmm.

1594
01:10:36,280 --> 01:10:39,160
Speaker 4: That was really easy. Well, get labor now.

1595
01:10:39,479 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 3: And I have these conversations a lot. That's why I can.

1596
01:10:42,080 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 3: That's why I can.

1597
01:10:43,000 --> 01:10:44,200
Speaker 4: I can say that one.

1598
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:46,479
Speaker 6: So quickly, and ain't it ain't that easy? Trust me,

1599
01:10:47,080 --> 01:10:51,040
Speaker 6: it ain't easy. I think Kyrie is the most talented

1600
01:10:51,040 --> 01:10:51,840
Speaker 6: out of all of them.

1601
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:55,200
Speaker 3: Maybe Steph is just problem and you can shoot like

1602
01:10:55,280 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 3: that and then Dame, I'm just saying I just I

1603
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:01,960
Speaker 3: just love Dame game and his demeanor and his everything.

1604
01:11:02,000 --> 01:11:05,040
Speaker 3: I just I just I just like him everything as

1605
01:11:05,080 --> 01:11:05,479
Speaker 3: a person.

1606
01:11:06,600 --> 01:11:08,840
Speaker 2: Got a good one. Let's start bench cut.

1607
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,080
Speaker 5: This is like of the guys who would have been

1608
01:11:12,200 --> 01:11:14,080
Speaker 5: crazier if they never got hurt.

1609
01:11:14,800 --> 01:11:15,240
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1610
01:11:15,240 --> 01:11:20,559
Speaker 3: He's gonna say, Ghill, yeah you need yeah, T Max

1611
01:11:21,560 --> 01:11:28,360
Speaker 3: and team mat all like Penny start. Oh Okay, he's

1612
01:11:28,360 --> 01:11:31,400
Speaker 3: saying Penny would have been the one out of the Okay, G.

1613
01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:38,280
Speaker 5: Hill, you're gonna cut the Max because I might have

1614
01:11:38,360 --> 01:11:40,400
Speaker 5: had to start tam Mag.

1615
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:44,160
Speaker 4: I'm starting at you and d N.

1616
01:11:44,280 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 2: G Hill, but I respect you can't go wrong with.

1617
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:48,719
Speaker 3: He makes me get my name right when we played

1618
01:11:48,720 --> 01:11:51,280
Speaker 3: them in the playoffs, so he holds a special player.

1619
01:11:53,240 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 5: Man.

1620
01:11:53,640 --> 01:11:57,240
Speaker 6: He kept calling me Dran in the playoffs. I should

1621
01:11:57,439 --> 01:11:59,360
Speaker 6: I should let it go. It was two thousand.

1622
01:11:59,439 --> 01:12:01,320
Speaker 2: You have there you have?

1623
01:12:01,479 --> 01:12:03,439
Speaker 5: That was a dispute before we got on, Like is

1624
01:12:03,439 --> 01:12:05,720
Speaker 5: it Dan or d Run? I said, Man, I come

1625
01:12:05,760 --> 01:12:07,920
Speaker 5: and beat with it. I don't even have to worry

1626
01:12:07,960 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 5: about all that.

1627
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:12,240
Speaker 2: Look I'm by past at that, but he just settled it.

1628
01:12:12,240 --> 01:12:13,719
Speaker 4: It is very not the run.

1629
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:17,720
Speaker 1: I know you've've been watching today's game and you see

1630
01:12:17,760 --> 01:12:19,680
Speaker 1: how it kind of change and how it sped up

1631
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:20,400
Speaker 1: a little bit more.

1632
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:24,200
Speaker 4: What do you think about like the point guards? These days?

1633
01:12:24,240 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: Everybody got one, So how do you think about the

1634
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,120
Speaker 1: era of the point guard now?

1635
01:12:28,240 --> 01:12:28,559
Speaker 4: Strong?

1636
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:33,040
Speaker 3: Honestly, when I I feel like in my prime, I

1637
01:12:33,040 --> 01:12:34,880
Speaker 3: felt like the point guard position was telling us what

1638
01:12:34,920 --> 01:12:37,240
Speaker 3: people always ask me. It was like no nights off,

1639
01:12:38,680 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 3: no nights off. Even like the guys who weren't really

1640
01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:46,040
Speaker 3: the superstars could still get you just work, man.

1641
01:12:46,080 --> 01:12:47,960
Speaker 6: If you didn't, you thought you had a night off,

1642
01:12:48,439 --> 01:12:49,160
Speaker 6: and you're wrong.

1643
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:52,960
Speaker 3: But now I feel like every dam every team got

1644
01:12:53,000 --> 01:12:54,080
Speaker 3: a superstar point guard.

1645
01:12:54,200 --> 01:12:57,599
Speaker 4: What I feel like at least yep, nobody.

1646
01:12:58,479 --> 01:13:00,000
Speaker 6: They're all skilled, they can all shoot.

1647
01:13:00,479 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 4: Do you know me?

1648
01:13:01,280 --> 01:13:02,879
Speaker 6: Point guards that can't shoot anymore?

1649
01:13:03,680 --> 01:13:03,840
Speaker 4: Nah?

1650
01:13:03,880 --> 01:13:06,080
Speaker 5: They come now. The thing is I could do everything.

1651
01:13:06,200 --> 01:13:08,040
Speaker 5: That's the new line they coming in.

1652
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:09,080
Speaker 2: I was.

1653
01:13:09,120 --> 01:13:10,960
Speaker 3: I was talking to somebody the other day about when

1654
01:13:11,280 --> 01:13:15,880
Speaker 3: Kyle Lowry and Mike Conley were in Memphis together.

1655
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:17,800
Speaker 4: I was there.

1656
01:13:18,479 --> 01:13:20,000
Speaker 6: I would not guard them.

1657
01:13:20,600 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 3: I was in in the middle behind the free throw

1658
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:23,800
Speaker 3: line with both of them.

1659
01:13:24,080 --> 01:13:25,840
Speaker 2: Had to do that to none of these guards.

1660
01:13:26,200 --> 01:13:27,840
Speaker 5: I can't do that to them now, and then both

1661
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:32,040
Speaker 5: of them are it's cash obviously. I mean, you know obviously,

1662
01:13:32,080 --> 01:13:34,200
Speaker 5: but that just shows you how time is. Like that's

1663
01:13:34,240 --> 01:13:36,680
Speaker 5: our most vents. Dude, once they get certain things, like

1664
01:13:36,720 --> 01:13:38,800
Speaker 5: they're gonna be surfacing board just be able to shoot it.

1665
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:41,639
Speaker 2: But like the walking in the duk range bros.

1666
01:13:42,320 --> 01:13:45,400
Speaker 5: Don boy, I could crouch you, I could dunk all

1667
01:13:45,439 --> 01:13:48,000
Speaker 5: you and I shoot it, floated, lay it, do whatever

1668
01:13:48,080 --> 01:13:49,600
Speaker 5: you want me to do however you want me to

1669
01:13:49,640 --> 01:13:52,720
Speaker 5: do it. And then I'm like, man, he's going all

1670
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:55,880
Speaker 5: this life. You see these little dudes just coming, you know,

1671
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:56,559
Speaker 5: coming like.

1672
01:13:56,640 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 4: Yo, what like jumping, they all stuff.

1673
01:14:01,360 --> 01:14:02,760
Speaker 2: Man, look the game.

1674
01:14:03,280 --> 01:14:06,240
Speaker 5: What they wanted about, all the debates, the one thing

1675
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:08,080
Speaker 5: they have to give him his flowers on.

1676
01:14:08,200 --> 01:14:11,400
Speaker 2: He changed the entire game. He made it for real change.

1677
01:14:11,439 --> 01:14:13,599
Speaker 5: But now I want to pull up beat just two

1678
01:14:13,640 --> 01:14:16,320
Speaker 5: steps inside half court and like hit the three from

1679
01:14:16,360 --> 01:14:18,720
Speaker 5: deep and be able to be outside like now they

1680
01:14:18,760 --> 01:14:22,479
Speaker 5: feel like they the feature. The little guard say, I

1681
01:14:22,479 --> 01:14:24,559
Speaker 5: could be a start now because of what he doing.

1682
01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:25,559
Speaker 5: He ain't got he ain't.

1683
01:14:25,400 --> 01:14:28,120
Speaker 2: Dunking on nobody out help ip bopping everybody.

1684
01:14:28,439 --> 01:14:36,080
Speaker 3: Ye John rest the next one though, Hey bok, hey listen,

1685
01:14:36,200 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 3: he won My favorite young womes the wife.

1686
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:40,400
Speaker 2: But he's special and he ain't scared of the moment

1687
01:14:40,439 --> 01:14:41,519
Speaker 2: for nothing at all.

1688
01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,639
Speaker 1: I wanted to ask you about Kobe Bryant, like, because

1689
01:14:45,680 --> 01:14:49,599
Speaker 1: you played so many games every year against the Lakers

1690
01:14:49,640 --> 01:14:53,000
Speaker 1: and Kobe Bryant meet them in the playoffs, different situations,

1691
01:14:53,560 --> 01:14:56,360
Speaker 1: how was it for you to have them challenges in

1692
01:14:56,400 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: them games against Kobe?

1693
01:14:58,520 --> 01:15:01,200
Speaker 3: I feel like he's personally responsible for me not having

1694
01:15:01,240 --> 01:15:04,559
Speaker 3: a championship. I feel like I feel like there was

1695
01:15:04,600 --> 01:15:06,960
Speaker 3: a couple of teams in the in the East a

1696
01:15:07,000 --> 01:15:08,800
Speaker 3: couple of those years that we lost to them. We

1697
01:15:08,840 --> 01:15:11,000
Speaker 3: lost three years in a row. I don't think there's

1698
01:15:11,000 --> 01:15:12,400
Speaker 3: anybody in the East that could have beat us in

1699
01:15:12,439 --> 01:15:16,720
Speaker 3: the seventh strace. But because of that man, you can

1700
01:15:16,800 --> 01:15:18,840
Speaker 3: get a chance. Didn't even didn't even didn't even come

1701
01:15:18,920 --> 01:15:20,600
Speaker 3: to that. We didn't even get to the West and

1702
01:15:20,640 --> 01:15:26,160
Speaker 3: Conference finals. But a special man. Man, he uh the

1703
01:15:26,200 --> 01:15:28,280
Speaker 3: closest thing to Jordan. I think that there ever will

1704
01:15:28,320 --> 01:15:30,639
Speaker 3: be with his passion on both ends of the floor,

1705
01:15:30,720 --> 01:15:33,719
Speaker 3: his competitiveness, just to kill him the savage hands.

1706
01:15:33,800 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 5: Then, how do you feel and how do you view

1707
01:15:38,080 --> 01:15:41,479
Speaker 5: the Utah Jazz and Donovan Mitchell and Rudy and them

1708
01:15:41,520 --> 01:15:43,719
Speaker 5: guys what they were doing in the type of show

1709
01:15:44,360 --> 01:15:48,560
Speaker 5: that Donovan put on versus Jamal Murray in that playoffs.

1710
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,639
Speaker 2: I know you got a deep affinity for the Jazz.

1711
01:15:50,640 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 5: So what do you think of the current team, what

1712
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:53,679
Speaker 5: they're doing with those guys.

1713
01:15:53,920 --> 01:15:56,960
Speaker 3: I think number one of the bubble when they had

1714
01:15:57,000 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 3: the idea, I was like, there's no way this thing's

1715
01:15:59,439 --> 01:16:01,040
Speaker 3: gonna work. Was like, they gonna get out there for

1716
01:16:01,080 --> 01:16:04,400
Speaker 3: like two weeks with me, but everybody gonna have Corona

1717
01:16:04,479 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 3: and they gonna have to send everybody home. I was

1718
01:16:07,080 --> 01:16:10,519
Speaker 3: super impressed to not only have the season, but now

1719
01:16:10,720 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 3: one case.

1720
01:16:13,800 --> 01:16:14,960
Speaker 2: That was unbelievable.

1721
01:16:15,960 --> 01:16:19,760
Speaker 5: Michelle Roberts, Adam Still and any and everybody else had

1722
01:16:19,800 --> 01:16:20,880
Speaker 5: anything to do with it.

1723
01:16:20,920 --> 01:16:22,479
Speaker 2: And all the people that were down there.

1724
01:16:22,600 --> 01:16:25,599
Speaker 5: I mean, obviously people being down here it was it

1725
01:16:25,640 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 5: was a difficult scenario, but I mean for them to

1726
01:16:28,040 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 5: pull it off like that was sure.

1727
01:16:30,200 --> 01:16:32,680
Speaker 3: But then for all the players that stayed and did it,

1728
01:16:32,720 --> 01:16:34,240
Speaker 3: I mean, that's that's tough to be away from your

1729
01:16:34,240 --> 01:16:36,880
Speaker 3: families for that long to make that sacrifice, especially the

1730
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,920
Speaker 3: Lakers and the heat three four months without seeing their family.

1731
01:16:40,040 --> 01:16:42,280
Speaker 3: So you know, a lot of respect to them, a

1732
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:43,640
Speaker 3: lot of respect to the NBA for being able to

1733
01:16:43,680 --> 01:16:46,800
Speaker 3: put that put that on. I mean, that's incredible during

1734
01:16:46,800 --> 01:16:49,720
Speaker 3: this climate. And then as far as the Jazz, I

1735
01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:55,759
Speaker 3: mean Donovan, he's another one that's that's special. He reminds

1736
01:16:55,840 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 3: me of the Wadey d way he.

1737
01:17:00,840 --> 01:17:00,880
Speaker 1: Was.

1738
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,800
Speaker 3: I thought he was like six' five And i've seen

1739
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 3: him at the. GAME i went to a fass game

1740
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:10,960
Speaker 3: like it's charge than you right now elevated. Above his

1741
01:17:11,120 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 3: bounce is stupid if he's six six. Two but now

1742
01:17:15,280 --> 01:17:18,120
Speaker 3: his game is is is. Improving you can see it's just.

1743
01:17:18,240 --> 01:17:20,200
Speaker 3: Proving you can see that, confidence that confidence you talk,

1744
01:17:20,240 --> 01:17:24,080
Speaker 3: About he's got, it you. Know so it's about just

1745
01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:26,120
Speaker 3: putting the right people around. HIM i, think you, KNOW

1746
01:17:26,160 --> 01:17:27,760
Speaker 3: i think they got a solid. TEAM i, think go bet.

1747
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,280
Speaker 3: Solid they got some good. Pieces BUT i think especially

1748
01:17:30,280 --> 01:17:32,719
Speaker 3: with these these super, TEAMS i think they need one,

1749
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:37,599
Speaker 3: more one more, piece you, know one more, star one

1750
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 3: more one more go get.

1751
01:17:39,360 --> 01:17:41,080
Speaker 4: Her, yeah they definitely look.

1752
01:17:41,160 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 1: GOOD i Think Mike, connley if he gets a little

1753
01:17:44,000 --> 01:17:45,800
Speaker 1: bit more time down there to kind of figure out

1754
01:17:46,000 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 1: where he needs to, be.

1755
01:17:47,520 --> 01:17:48,080
Speaker 4: Might got to be more.

1756
01:17:48,080 --> 01:17:53,200
Speaker 3: AGGRESSIVE i feel like he the, first WHICH i mean

1757
01:17:53,520 --> 01:17:54,439
Speaker 3: it's hard not to when.

1758
01:17:54,320 --> 01:17:55,080
Speaker 6: You got a player like.

1759
01:17:55,120 --> 01:18:00,560
Speaker 5: That trying to make sure that the kid was. Offortable and,

1760
01:18:01,080 --> 01:18:03,679
Speaker 5: yeah next, YEAR i think he'll be ready to, go.

1761
01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,960
Speaker 6: Because like When mike Was, memphis like you, KNOW ta

1762
01:18:07,160 --> 01:18:07,519
Speaker 6: was the two.

1763
01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:09,760
Speaker 3: Guard you, know it was never like a two guard

1764
01:18:09,800 --> 01:18:12,360
Speaker 3: who was out there scoring twenty five a, game thirty ath.

1765
01:18:12,360 --> 01:18:15,880
Speaker 3: Games so that's a different. Way you don't got the

1766
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:18,320
Speaker 3: ball in your hands as, much be as. Effective you,

1767
01:18:18,320 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 3: know your rhythm's a little. Off you don't have that

1768
01:18:20,080 --> 01:18:23,040
Speaker 3: same that same field you know for the game.

1769
01:18:23,680 --> 01:18:25,960
Speaker 5: What nick when you were watching, that as you watched

1770
01:18:26,040 --> 01:18:28,960
Speaker 5: that that duel between him And, MURRAY i, MEAN i

1771
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,280
Speaker 5: know everybody LIKE i was sitting there just and simply

1772
01:18:32,320 --> 01:18:34,760
Speaker 5: amazed by the way both of them were just.

1773
01:18:34,760 --> 01:18:37,559
Speaker 2: Going it was like the for real au game both every.

1774
01:18:37,600 --> 01:18:40,559
Speaker 6: Time you know, what also was, thinking ain't nobody playing

1775
01:18:40,560 --> 01:18:41,400
Speaker 6: no damn defense in this?

1776
01:18:41,479 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 4: Bubble oh?

1777
01:18:42,600 --> 01:18:48,639
Speaker 2: Yeah that quickly quip me was NO dB.

1778
01:18:48,960 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 6: Played but but that being, said fifty is.

1779
01:18:52,360 --> 01:18:53,880
Speaker 3: Fifty you still got to put that thing in the

1780
01:18:53,920 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 3: whole fifty times when fifty.

1781
01:18:55,600 --> 01:18:59,000
Speaker 4: Times you KNOW i put them in the. Book, game

1782
01:18:59,080 --> 01:18:59,840
Speaker 4: make sure you got them in.

1783
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:03,160
Speaker 6: The that's it was crazy to see them go back

1784
01:19:03,160 --> 01:19:03,640
Speaker 6: and forth like.

1785
01:19:03,680 --> 01:19:06,320
Speaker 3: That jamal's might have been more impressive because they came

1786
01:19:06,360 --> 01:19:08,240
Speaker 3: back in that series.

1787
01:19:08,640 --> 01:19:10,880
Speaker 6: One, yeah on his on his fifty point.

1788
01:19:11,040 --> 01:19:14,640
Speaker 2: Games, yeah, definitely it is.

1789
01:19:14,720 --> 01:19:17,720
Speaker 1: True one of my guys that played with y'all, MAN

1790
01:19:17,720 --> 01:19:22,120
Speaker 1: i used to love watching him PLAY ak forty Seven Andre, Carolinco,

1791
01:19:22,360 --> 01:19:23,760
Speaker 1: like how was that to play With?

1792
01:19:24,280 --> 01:19:25,479
Speaker 4: Ak the?

1793
01:19:25,640 --> 01:19:27,680
Speaker 6: Nicknames, Ever he's such a good.

1794
01:19:27,720 --> 01:19:28,000
Speaker 4: Dude.

1795
01:19:28,040 --> 01:19:30,840
Speaker 3: Man he's just wanted players who just didn't really need

1796
01:19:30,880 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 3: the ball to be. Effective he was going to step.

1797
01:19:33,080 --> 01:19:34,080
Speaker 3: Ball he found that.

1798
01:19:34,160 --> 01:19:39,960
Speaker 1: Ball, yeah his club sta sheet never stopped. MOVING i Hated,

1799
01:19:40,040 --> 01:19:41,720
Speaker 1: god never stopped the.

1800
01:19:41,760 --> 01:19:45,519
Speaker 3: Only thing he could have kind of consistent JUMPER i

1801
01:19:45,560 --> 01:19:45,960
Speaker 3: was about to.

1802
01:19:45,960 --> 01:19:48,120
Speaker 2: PLAY i could care less about him on the offensive.

1803
01:19:48,240 --> 01:19:52,320
Speaker 5: End he was my worst defensive, matchup, well me being

1804
01:19:52,360 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 5: on offense and him defending. Me him And Tayshaun prince

1805
01:19:56,160 --> 01:19:59,320
Speaker 5: was the worst matchups of my entire, career my entire.

1806
01:19:59,360 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 5: Career those two Long you know, Me i'm posting up

1807
01:20:05,439 --> 01:20:08,120
Speaker 5: getting but like neither one of them was strong enough

1808
01:20:08,160 --> 01:20:08,519
Speaker 5: to stop.

1809
01:20:08,600 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 2: Me BUT i.

1810
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,679
Speaker 5: COULD i could do all of. That they'll just, Wait

1811
01:20:11,800 --> 01:20:14,080
Speaker 5: they'll just. Wait as soon AS i go up, Extend

1812
01:20:14,240 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 5: i'm longer than your Young like, look Look i'm longer than.

1813
01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:19,519
Speaker 5: You he's not, young but we're the. Same but Like i'm.

1814
01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:22,320
Speaker 5: GOOD i hated them. Too IF i had a good

1815
01:20:22,360 --> 01:20:25,160
Speaker 5: game against either one of, THEM i was. GOOD i

1816
01:20:25,320 --> 01:20:27,599
Speaker 5: was good for a long time because they was tough

1817
01:20:27,600 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 5: for me to get off.

1818
01:20:28,439 --> 01:20:29,720
Speaker 2: On, no, lie he.

1819
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,960
Speaker 3: Was he was tough man on the defensive, end, locks

1820
01:20:33,040 --> 01:20:35,439
Speaker 3: free bound steals who.

1821
01:20:35,280 --> 01:20:37,040
Speaker 4: Are in THE nba now that you kind of see

1822
01:20:37,080 --> 01:20:38,680
Speaker 4: flashes with. You mm.

1823
01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:42,200
Speaker 3: Hmm he's a little smaller, me but, uh you, know

1824
01:20:42,360 --> 01:20:44,080
Speaker 3: saying't gonna say that because people say it looks like you.

1825
01:20:44,400 --> 01:20:50,120
Speaker 2: Dam, fleet that's my.

1826
01:20:50,360 --> 01:20:51,760
Speaker 4: Guy look got.

1827
01:20:51,800 --> 01:20:52,439
Speaker 2: That she's got that.

1828
01:20:52,479 --> 01:20:55,680
Speaker 3: Shiftiness, man he's got. That you, know he's got that

1829
01:20:55,800 --> 01:20:58,400
Speaker 3: change of. DIRECTION i kind of see tough as hell

1830
01:20:58,560 --> 01:20:59,880
Speaker 3: TO i THINK i think he.

1831
01:21:00,080 --> 01:21:02,040
Speaker 4: Want you got That illinois right to.

1832
01:21:02,160 --> 01:21:07,800
Speaker 2: Left, yeah that's a rap. Man that was. Love we

1833
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,240
Speaker 2: appreciate you pulling up on. US D wheel y'all check it, out,

1834
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:13,560
Speaker 2: man it's a special. One we appreciate.

1835
01:21:13,600 --> 01:21:14,719
Speaker 6: YOU d appreciate

1836
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:43,320
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