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Speaker 1: Around the UNITL Podcast is not a hit it and

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Speaker 1: quit it guest. Welcome to another edition of the Around

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Speaker 1: the NFL Podcast. My name is Dan Hans has come

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Speaker 1: to you from a virtual room filled with some heroes.

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Speaker 1: Greg Rosenthal is with me. That's nice, but also joining

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Speaker 1: us with Mark Cecil on vacation. A dear friend of ours,

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Speaker 1: Cynthia Freeland. Welcome back to the A T N Podcast.

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Speaker 1: My dear, well, you know, thanks for having me. It's

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Speaker 1: only taken I don't know two years. Thanks friend, it's

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Speaker 1: been like a billion years. Wait a second, you see you.

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Speaker 1: Last time we had you on, you went with that

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Speaker 1: same old thing you said, Oh it took so long

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Speaker 1: to have us on. Now you get the second invite,

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Speaker 1: which is always the seal of approval. You're not a Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you're not a hit it and quitic guest, and you're

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Speaker 1: still gonna bury us here in the biggest of all

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Speaker 1: spots at the top of the show. Listen the top

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Speaker 1: of the show. There's two things that everyone needs to note.

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Speaker 1: Number one, Dan Hands has a savage tand that's the

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Speaker 1: only way to describe it. It's savage number one. And

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Speaker 1: number two, I was working today, but of course I'll

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Speaker 1: work anytime you guys call. I pick up the bone,

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Speaker 1: I pick up the zoom, I pick up the stream

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Speaker 1: yard link, you know, anything for you guys. Know that's

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Speaker 1: very nice to you. And you know what, since you

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Speaker 1: mentioned that I do have a savage tan, it's my

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Speaker 1: not my Irish side side. It's definitely not your Irish side.

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Speaker 1: And I want to do a little roll call, like

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Speaker 1: where are we right now? Ricky? You could kill that

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Speaker 1: music anytime you want. Um, where is everyone right now?

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Speaker 1: I am on the Jersey Shore, Um, in my parents bedroom.

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Speaker 1: It's a heat wave here on the in the northeast

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Speaker 1: Where are you Greg? I'm back home in Santa Monica.

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Speaker 1: I was on the east coast Cape cod and then

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Speaker 1: days or eleven days. But just return this week, so

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Speaker 1: I mean I don't feel quite ready for it yet,

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Speaker 1: coming up, and this is like an ease into it week.

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Speaker 1: We're doing one. And where's your tan? By the way,

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Speaker 1: not savage? It's like a little bit. But this this

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Speaker 1: lighting in this room is as rough as always. I mean,

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Speaker 1: by the way, as I throw to Cynthia, when you're

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Speaker 1: my two parents. You know how they're really bad with

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Speaker 1: So let me tee you up, Cynthia. Where are you

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Speaker 1: right now? I'm in Flathead Lake, so Lakeside, Montana. So

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Speaker 1: So there's a very large sky here, also a very

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Speaker 1: because it's more impressive you have it. No, the hardware,

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Speaker 1: not unlike any other story I've ever seen in the NFL,

429
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Speaker 1: that's for sure. The team had been under the independent

430
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Speaker 1: investigation since July, stemming from a number of sexual harassment

431
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Speaker 1: allegations by previous employees over a fifteen year period, UH

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Speaker 1: detailed by The Washington Post last summer, and an attorney,

433
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Speaker 1: Beth Wilkinson, led the investigation, interviewing more than fifty people,

434
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Speaker 1: mostly current or former employees of the organization, all granted anonymity.

435
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Speaker 1: It's a tough one to get out. You're rolling your eyes. Cynthia,

436
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Speaker 1: as a woman who has worked at the NFL for

437
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Speaker 1: a while, Well, um, I love um, I love Ron Rivera.

438
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Speaker 1: I think he is an amazing man human, and I'm

439
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Speaker 1: really I loved how he went about his cancer situation.

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Speaker 1: I like Jason write a lot he he and I share.

441
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Speaker 1: He started he went to the University of Chicago booth Um,

442
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Speaker 1: the booth I started physical there. It's a long story.

443
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Speaker 1: We'll can talk about that another time, but we share

444
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Speaker 1: kind of some roots there. There's a lot of good

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Speaker 1: people that work there presently. I don't know how I

446
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Speaker 1: would handle this because I don't know any of the truth,

447
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Speaker 1: but I do know that a great organization in l A.

448
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Speaker 1: If you want to donate to what it's called Peace

449
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Speaker 1: over Violence. So that's kind of my thoughts. Well said,

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Speaker 1: all right, moving on, UH, I feel like the start

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Speaker 1: of the NFL season is the premiere of Hard Knocks.

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Speaker 1: UH in the second week of August, and here it

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Speaker 1: comes once again, and it will be the Dallas Cowboys

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Speaker 1: who will be feature on the program. They are the

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Speaker 1: first team to be featured for a third time. Hard

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Speaker 1: Knocks premiere twenty years ago with a profiled the then

457
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Speaker 1: defending champion Baltimore Ravens. A lot of Todd Heap pop

458
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Speaker 1: that season, a lot of Brian Billick lounging in a

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Speaker 1: hammock in a d G A F mode, as I

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Speaker 1: recall Tony Saragosa. But that was then. This is now

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Speaker 1: five episode season debuts August ten at ten pm the

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Speaker 1: old Zeusser, as he's been doing for roughly four d

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Speaker 1: years now. We'll be leading the episode recaps on NFL

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Speaker 1: dot com, so stay tuned on that. Uh. And the

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Speaker 1: Cowboys two thousand two and two thousand eight, we're involved

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Speaker 1: in now two thousand any one and I cynthia Um

467
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Speaker 1: you know when they you know, they throw us an

468
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Speaker 1: as Simon at you right after the Super Bowl to

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Speaker 1: keep the website alive. Uh, they asked me to write

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Speaker 1: a Hard Knocks preview laying out the teams that could

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Speaker 1: be picked. The Cowboys were amongst them that could be

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Speaker 1: quote unquote mandatory uh inclusion because they uh check three

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Speaker 1: certain boxes that would leave them open to being on

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Speaker 1: the show even if they didn't want to be. I

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Speaker 1: don't believe that, especially last year after they had the

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Speaker 1: Pittsburgh Steelers and they did not pick them. But anyway,

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Speaker 1: it's beside the point. The Cowboys were selected, and um

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Speaker 1: Jared Jones and company to me, I wrote back in

479
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Speaker 1: February they were the best choice of the five teams

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Speaker 1: that could be compelled to be on the show. Uh,

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Speaker 1: and there will be plenty of meat on the bone

482
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Speaker 1: and uh. People like to complain about Hard Knocks like

483
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Speaker 1: people like to complain about Saturday Night Live, how it

484
00:25:51,480 --> 00:25:54,120
Speaker 1: used to be better and it's derivative at this point

485
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Speaker 1: and all that. But you know what, people still watch

486
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Speaker 1: it and you will be watching it as well, many

487
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Speaker 1: of you listening right now. I'm a big fan. I

488
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Speaker 1: think this is a great choice. First of all, last

489
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Speaker 1: season was I mean with COVID, and everything was super

490
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Speaker 1: confusing with two teams, like the jump cuts between the

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Speaker 1: two if you didn't kind of know what the players

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Speaker 1: look like, if you hadn't been as familiar as we are,

493
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Speaker 1: like it's it was harder to follow. So I'm glad

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Speaker 1: to But that was COVID's fault. It wasn't Hard Knocks fault.

495
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Speaker 1: I think they do a brilliant job. It's a masterful show.

496
00:26:19,640 --> 00:26:21,760
Speaker 1: I always like it. I always like Saturday Night Live too,

497
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Speaker 1: so we're good on that. But I also think that

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Speaker 1: the thing I'm most looking forward to. Will they please

499
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Speaker 1: do you think that they're listening to this right now?

500
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Speaker 1: Can they please like take an inventory of everything coach eats.

501
00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: I just feel like he's that guy who gets the

502
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Speaker 1: entire picnic table and he's like a little bit of this,

503
00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:37,479
Speaker 1: a little bit of this, a little bit of this,

504
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Speaker 1: a little bit of this, a little bit of this.

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Speaker 1: Like I just I have to know what Mike McCarthy eats.

506
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Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy dietary habits like that. It's got to be

507
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Speaker 1: like amazing. It's gotta be amazing. Like that's the sub

508
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Speaker 1: story right there, Like there's gotta be a lot. I mean,

509
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Speaker 1: they had rexn and we didn't get that with Rex,

510
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Speaker 1: although he iconic. Let's go get a goddamn snack, but

511
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Speaker 1: we didn't see Rex eating a lot. But maybe we're

512
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Speaker 1: overdue for a food focused Hard Knocks. They the jones

513
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Speaker 1: Is usually give a lot of access, which I like.

514
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,960
Speaker 1: I feel like they're not gonna be like pressing on

515
00:27:08,040 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: the edits, like when they did All or Nothing. That

516
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Speaker 1: was the best All or Nothing season because they because

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Speaker 1: they like allowed themselves to look a little vulnerable at

518
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Speaker 1: times and allowed the coverage to be better. So I'm

519
00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,760
Speaker 1: all for it. Anyway, Hard Knocks back in August. Can't wait.

520
00:27:23,840 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: And by the way, the funny thing about hard knocks,

521
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,600
Speaker 1: And like I said, I write the recaps, everyone watches

522
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:31,520
Speaker 1: the first episode and it's all anyone's talking about. And

523
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Speaker 1: then I start to feel like I'm fading into like

524
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Speaker 1: a solitary chamber as the weeks get along and we

525
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Speaker 1: get closer to real football. But those first couple episodes

526
00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: especially are always so fun because everyone's watching and talking

527
00:27:43,520 --> 00:27:46,160
Speaker 1: about it, and everybody I can tell you everybody around

528
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,800
Speaker 1: the league, in the buildings, the coaches, gms, they all

529
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Speaker 1: watch it too. It's fun to see what's going on

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Speaker 1: behind the scenes. UM with colleagues all right. Uh. In

531
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Speaker 1: other news, to kill Harry has been a huge disappointment

532
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Speaker 1: for the New England Patriots. Um a number thirty two

533
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,560
Speaker 1: overall pick, a wide receiver, UM who has not been

534
00:28:03,600 --> 00:28:05,840
Speaker 1: able to get his career off the ground, and after

535
00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:08,879
Speaker 1: just two years with the team, he has requested a trade.

536
00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: Greg when we went through UM, is it rosta reset?

537
00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:17,960
Speaker 1: I think it is project damn it. I knew it

538
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Speaker 1: was the projected starters. I kind of specifically targeted Harry

539
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Speaker 1: when I was looking at your depth chart. Is what

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Speaker 1: happens with him as a first round pick? Um, It's

541
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Speaker 1: starting to look increasingly possible that he's going to be

542
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Speaker 1: one of those rare guys that doesn't get a third

543
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Speaker 1: year with the team that drafted him in the first round. Yeah,

544
00:28:36,840 --> 00:28:39,320
Speaker 1: it's a little weird because after Nelson Aguilar, I'm not

545
00:28:39,360 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 1: sure anything's really set, you know, in the receiver group.

546
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Speaker 1: But he he's not feeling the vibe. So it's almost

547
00:28:46,200 --> 00:28:48,400
Speaker 1: like he's trying to beat the Patriots to the punch.

548
00:28:48,520 --> 00:28:52,560
Speaker 1: Doesn't want the the shame of getting traded for a

549
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Speaker 1: late seventh round pick or whatever it would be, and

550
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Speaker 1: they're not gonna get much They're not gonna get much

551
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Speaker 1: more for him. I don't think I was like nice

552
00:29:00,480 --> 00:29:03,080
Speaker 1: little a nice little bit of NFL news to just

553
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 1: sprinkle into the week. My focus has been mostly on Wimbledon. Dan.

554
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know. I'm doing a another

555
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:17,680
Speaker 1: side podcast now, inspired inspired by Mark Sessler just uh,

556
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:20,360
Speaker 1: and you for a long time saying that eventually or

557
00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:23,200
Speaker 1: Mark saying I'm gonna leave someday to do uh Courts

558
00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: of thunderblog, and now I'm actually doing Courts of Thunder.

559
00:29:26,440 --> 00:29:29,200
Speaker 1: It's podcast, not a blog. Wait is it called Courts

560
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,520
Speaker 1: of Thunder? Actually? I called the Courts of thunder. Why not,

561
00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 1: that's right for my own enjoyment. Um, it's only during

562
00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,280
Speaker 1: the Grand Slam, so it'll be over, you know until

563
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: US open uh in a week. But yeah, me and

564
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Speaker 1: I'm legitimately curious and you're hyper knowledgeable in the realm

565
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: of tennis, so I'm sure there's a lot of good,

566
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,600
Speaker 1: good talking there. And you do it with a co host, right, yeah,

567
00:29:51,640 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 1: with Glenn Clark. Um, who's a boss who's been on

568
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:59,280
Speaker 1: the show before. Um, Ravens guy. Um. Do you are

569
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Speaker 1: you finding it's connecting with an audience so far? I

570
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Speaker 1: have no idea, you know. That's why I'm trying to

571
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Speaker 1: let them know. Come, come subscribe you now I'm here,

572
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:08,560
Speaker 1: and you know, the people that have been listening to it,

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Speaker 1: they like it. I mean, I know it's a niche

574
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Speaker 1: audience here. You know, you're not slicing the biggest pie

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Speaker 1: with tennis, which is too bad. That's why I want

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Speaker 1: to do it. It's just, you know, it's like, it's

577
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Speaker 1: such a great game, it's such a great next year

578
00:30:23,080 --> 00:30:25,040
Speaker 1: when you redo it, when you bring it back, then

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Speaker 1: you need a partner with like you know, Amazon or

580
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 1: one of these things, and then they can send me food,

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Speaker 1: so I can listen to it and eat like I'm

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Speaker 1: there right because there's special food there right, Like when

583
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Speaker 1: you go to Wimbledon, you're what are you supposed to eat?

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Speaker 1: It's like strawberries and cream. You get that ready to

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Speaker 1: breakfast at Wimbledon this weekend? Yeah, you could get must

586
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Speaker 1: be hungry all I'm talking about his food right now.

587
00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,200
Speaker 1: But but next year I have Amazon delivered to me

588
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Speaker 1: to my door. You can you know, there's there's your

589
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 1: business idea then they can. Getting me paid is almost

590
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Speaker 1: impossible with this endeavor. So getting free food for you

591
00:30:55,360 --> 00:30:58,960
Speaker 1: it seems like another and for it. I really doubt

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Speaker 1: that will ever happen. Did you have to push courts

593
00:31:01,560 --> 00:31:04,400
Speaker 1: under through Congress? Or was Glenn like all right, whatever?

594
00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:10,160
Speaker 1: Did let's just start the episode. Liked the name of

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Speaker 1: the podcast, h Yeah, I and I had a better

596
00:31:15,240 --> 00:31:18,200
Speaker 1: name initially called only Slams, like kind of like only fans,

597
00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: but we're only doing during the Slams. It that was better.

598
00:31:21,200 --> 00:31:23,240
Speaker 1: And yet um, I don't know. I just courts no

599
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,680
Speaker 1: Courts of Thunder. That was the right move. I didn't

600
00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:27,240
Speaker 1: even know what that was till this summer. I watched

601
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of episodes of Catfish. That's what I learned

602
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:33,400
Speaker 1: when only fans was so, you know, learning everything this summer. UM.

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00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:38,160
Speaker 1: In other news, offensive line news the NFL excuse me,

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00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:42,520
Speaker 1: uh NFL football team the Pittsburgh Steelers, now that UM

605
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:47,080
Speaker 1: have released right guard David DeCastro. This was pretty stunning

606
00:31:47,080 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: when it happened a couple of weeks ago. My Garifolo reported.

607
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 1: Then we found out that he's dealing with all sorts

608
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 1: of issues with his ankle and it could lead to

609
00:31:55,640 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: the end of his NFL career. UM. So the Steeler

610
00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:02,600
Speaker 1: is with a lot of turnover on their offensive line

611
00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 1: and a stone age pony, as Mark Sessler puts it

612
00:32:06,320 --> 00:32:09,400
Speaker 1: behind center in Ben Roethlisberger. A huge roll of the

613
00:32:09,440 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 1: dice on that offense in a lot of ways. And

614
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Speaker 1: another news, my New York Jets continue, in my opinion

615
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,560
Speaker 1: and the opinion of many others, to get better. They

616
00:32:18,600 --> 00:32:21,840
Speaker 1: signed Morgan Moses, the right tackle, to a one year,

617
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: three point six million dollar contract UM. He will compete

618
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:29,440
Speaker 1: and most likely win the job at right tackle UM,

619
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Speaker 1: which would kick George Fant into a swing tackle type

620
00:32:32,760 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 1: role which might be a better fit for him and

621
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Speaker 1: also with as great as McKay Beckton one was as

622
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,000
Speaker 1: a rookie, he had trouble standing on the field, so

623
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Speaker 1: it gives you some much needed depth. I just really

624
00:32:43,800 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 1: like um this Sprain trust, the sale and Joe Douglas

625
00:32:48,080 --> 00:32:49,840
Speaker 1: and this was a move that made a lot of sense,

626
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:53,400
Speaker 1: and the Jets have a proven starter. Um Moses was

627
00:32:53,600 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 1: a good, dependable guy in Washington for several years. Yeah.

628
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean, I think anything to address the Jets old

629
00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:03,240
Speaker 1: line is smart. I think if you're if I'm a

630
00:33:03,320 --> 00:33:06,200
Speaker 1: Jets fan this season, I'm thinking, okay, let's just make

631
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,200
Speaker 1: it look better and better. And if I'm going two

632
00:33:08,240 --> 00:33:10,200
Speaker 1: years out, then you can start to talk about things

633
00:33:10,240 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: like you know, late January football, like you know not

634
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,880
Speaker 1: because obviously the season has been pushed out, so now

635
00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,080
Speaker 1: everyone's playing January football. But you know, it's it's just, uh,

636
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: it's it's one of those things where just be patient.

637
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:23,920
Speaker 1: Jets fans aren't known for their patients, but this is

638
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 1: a situation. The offense is good, that's all that matters

639
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: to me. It's just like the secondary is not good.

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00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,600
Speaker 1: Your secondaries back Wilson looked good. This was the move

641
00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:34,560
Speaker 1: where it's sort of got me over the hump of

642
00:33:34,640 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: being like, Wow, the Jets could be a pretty fun

643
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:41,240
Speaker 1: offense if Wilson can play the guitar. As Dan would say,

644
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:44,200
Speaker 1: I mean they really did. This was this is one

645
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,040
Speaker 1: of those moves like if Morgan Moses was a free

646
00:33:46,080 --> 00:33:48,760
Speaker 1: agent coming into March, he probably would have gotten like

647
00:33:49,040 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 1: four years, fifty million or something from some team. Not

648
00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 1: saying he would have been worth all that, but he

649
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: probably would have. But because this all happened late, like

650
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,280
Speaker 1: and everyone would be like, oh, that's one of the

651
00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,040
Speaker 1: big signings of the off season, number thirty three on

652
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 1: the top one hundred, Morgan Moses goes to, you know,

653
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,360
Speaker 1: the Jets, but now it's just like kind of buried

654
00:34:05,360 --> 00:34:09,920
Speaker 1: in June. They look they should be eminently watchable on offense.

655
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: I really am. Actually he'll be fun, like a scheme,

656
00:34:14,280 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 1: the players, everything about it. I want to I want

657
00:34:16,719 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: to watch them more than I have for a while.

658
00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:23,480
Speaker 1: It all hinges on Zack Wilson, and I'm I'm refused

659
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: to get too excited because the Sam Donald experience was

660
00:34:27,520 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: pretty hurtful and we know there are a lot of

661
00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 1: factors that went into his struggles. But the reports on

662
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 1: Wilson are very good. At a camp from beat reporters.

663
00:34:35,000 --> 00:34:36,759
Speaker 1: I trust that he just looks like he's gonna be

664
00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: able to handle this and maybe even thrive in an

665
00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:43,879
Speaker 1: offense that is modern and suited to his skill set

666
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,799
Speaker 1: with better players around him. I want to watch I

667
00:34:47,800 --> 00:34:49,640
Speaker 1: want to look forward to watching the Jets again. It's

668
00:34:49,640 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: been a couple of years now, um where I haven't

669
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,640
Speaker 1: even been excited about watching them, and I feel like

670
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:56,880
Speaker 1: this could be a turning point, but I'm trying to

671
00:34:56,960 --> 00:35:00,360
Speaker 1: keep things under control here, Cynthia. Okay, So Reagan on

672
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:02,080
Speaker 1: our show where we have to pick the winner of

673
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,759
Speaker 1: every game, and it's it's a lot of fun. And

674
00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: I think, because yeah, I struggle to coming back, we

675
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:17,600
Speaker 1: don't know, but I think in honor of that, whether

676
00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:19,799
Speaker 1: or not it comes back, in honor of that, I

677
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:22,920
Speaker 1: think right now, since Week one is Sam Donald versus

678
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:26,520
Speaker 1: your Jets, I think that that me and Greg should

679
00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,160
Speaker 1: in the Panther side and you should be on the

680
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:29,839
Speaker 1: Jet side, and it should be for like, you know,

681
00:35:30,400 --> 00:35:33,600
Speaker 1: some snacks or food, because I can't stop talking about food,

682
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:36,560
Speaker 1: like something, you know, go have a beer somewhere and

683
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: we'll be the Panthers and you be the Jets. It'll

684
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,319
Speaker 1: be fun and we all right. I'm certainly down with that,

685
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,719
Speaker 1: is because somebody don't even know if I want that.

686
00:35:43,760 --> 00:35:46,720
Speaker 1: You're sticking me with Darnald. I'm a pretty anti Darnald.

687
00:35:46,760 --> 00:35:50,240
Speaker 1: Like my anti Darnald panther, Thank you's going to travel

688
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,400
Speaker 1: with me to Carolina, so I'm not too high on

689
00:35:52,440 --> 00:35:55,919
Speaker 1: these panthers. I'll do a sandwich with you on this, Cynthia,

690
00:35:56,680 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 1: good week one all right? And final in the news,

691
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:07,919
Speaker 1: UM Rest in Peace Supplemental Draft. It won't be held

692
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:10,439
Speaker 1: this year. And I actually reached out to Handsome Hank

693
00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:14,360
Speaker 1: Henry Hodgson, who for multiple years on our website NFL

694
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 1: dot com. UM offered up his UH supplemental draft mock draft,

695
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,720
Speaker 1: which was always one of my favorite pieces of content

696
00:36:23,280 --> 00:36:27,239
Speaker 1: on our fair website. I asked for him to give

697
00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:32,200
Speaker 1: me a statement to read UM. But what he sent

698
00:36:32,280 --> 00:36:35,439
Speaker 1: back to me, unfortunately, UH is not something I would

699
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:38,800
Speaker 1: keep him employed. So I'll just say that he's disappointed

700
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: and UH, is this the end of the supplemental Draft?

701
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:43,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't read the story very closely

702
00:36:43,840 --> 00:36:45,759
Speaker 1: and forgot to check it out before we started. I

703
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: just know it's not happening it's startbreaking two straight years.

704
00:36:49,440 --> 00:36:53,760
Speaker 1: No supplemental draft, just the the amount of draft prep

705
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,759
Speaker 1: that goes into it um for me, for all the

706
00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: people who love it like Henry, you know, just the

707
00:37:00,040 --> 00:37:03,719
Speaker 1: citement it brings, like Wimbledon and NBA Finals. No, this

708
00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: is supplemental draft season and we've missed it two straight.

709
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:09,360
Speaker 1: We need to rebrand it. It just needs it just

710
00:37:09,440 --> 00:37:13,040
Speaker 1: needs a rebranding. Supplemental draft sounds awful, like some terrible

711
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: iron pill you have to eat with a banana or

712
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 1: something in the morning, like you need to real you

713
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 1: need to think of a clever name for it. If

714
00:37:18,800 --> 00:37:21,319
Speaker 1: if it were called Courts of Thunder, people would they

715
00:37:21,320 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't get rid of it. You just need to rebrand it,

716
00:37:24,040 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: all right, let me get Greg's projects fit before we

717
00:37:26,880 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 1: bring the sand Bounce all set, before we bring sand

718
00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: Bouncing on. He has the Around the NFL podcast, he

719
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:38,000
Speaker 1: has the Debrief, he has the Debrief, a written piece

720
00:37:38,040 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 1: on r j VP podcast with Anthony Jesson or the

721
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: Rosenthal and jel Nick project, which was the previous iteration.

722
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,719
Speaker 1: Well that was at the end of the Yeah, now

723
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:53,160
Speaker 1: he's got the first name, Courts of Thunder. Now you

724
00:37:53,200 --> 00:37:58,120
Speaker 1: have UM one of my missing uh your Game Day

725
00:37:58,120 --> 00:38:02,359
Speaker 1: Pick Show, game Debut, Game Debut, Yeah, um, anything else

726
00:38:02,640 --> 00:38:07,200
Speaker 1: Emmy nominated just so you have some national radio spots.

727
00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:10,160
Speaker 1: I mean, we have an Emmy nominated host of that show.

728
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know if it was nominated for

729
00:38:11,719 --> 00:38:14,480
Speaker 1: his work on our show, but Hawk was nominated for

730
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:16,880
Speaker 1: an Emmy and he is on our show. So you

731
00:38:16,920 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 1: guys get a little bit annoyed when in our newsroom

732
00:38:20,600 --> 00:38:24,759
Speaker 1: everyone has an Emmy except for us. Yeah, maybe you

733
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:29,360
Speaker 1: have one, st I don't know. I don't have. Seriously,

734
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,799
Speaker 1: I want an Emmy. Maybe make a better TV show

735
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:35,239
Speaker 1: because that would help us. Actually, I think I do

736
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:36,800
Speaker 1: have one. But when I on the other side of

737
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,600
Speaker 1: the business development side, like I worked at the ABC

738
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: and we did that show, like we did that sync

739
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,400
Speaker 1: project with Gray's Anatomy, it was like, you know, you

740
00:38:44,440 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 1: have the trophy. We'll didn't get the trophy. You have

741
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: to pay for It's like and it was like my

742
00:38:48,960 --> 00:38:50,680
Speaker 1: name in a list of like fifty other people, So

743
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 1: it wasn't that special. I got to vote on some

744
00:38:54,280 --> 00:38:57,399
Speaker 1: other Emmy sounds cool. Thank you for running through them.

745
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,799
Speaker 1: I might be returning to an old object though again

746
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: this season that Chris Wesleyan took back over for me,

747
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:09,399
Speaker 1: taken back the reins on the old QB index. I mean,

748
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,840
Speaker 1: what a moment, What a moment to be on the

749
00:39:11,880 --> 00:39:17,360
Speaker 1: Greg train. That's all same of which I am a passenger.

750
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what I'm like. I'm in the first roup.

751
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,000
Speaker 1: I paid for the upgraded seats. I'm the first class

752
00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:26,520
Speaker 1: on that one. That's what's happening in the news. You

753
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:30,000
Speaker 1: promised the guest. And you know, we really sprung this

754
00:39:30,080 --> 00:39:34,680
Speaker 1: upon Cynthia because we know she is in the analytics

755
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:39,200
Speaker 1: community and here with us now joining us on the

756
00:39:39,200 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: show is a man who is the lead NFL writer

757
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 1: analyst for Pro Football Focus. I mean that is that's

758
00:39:47,080 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: a job title right there. It's a great Sam Monson,

759
00:39:50,600 --> 00:39:53,560
Speaker 1: Welcome to the Round the NFL podcast. A thank you.

760
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: And it's a critical distinction there that the you know,

761
00:39:56,080 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: the writer not math person because smile level of math ended.

762
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:05,920
Speaker 1: You know, we did from adcational system being over in Europe,

763
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,880
Speaker 1: but g c S intermediate level, which is like just

764
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: above being able to count numbers, so other people do

765
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:14,000
Speaker 1: the maths stuff and then not just you know, interpret

766
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 1: it makes sense and write about it at PF. Yeah,

767
00:40:17,120 --> 00:40:18,719
Speaker 1: but like a lot of the guy you know, there's

768
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: a lot of guys over at PFF. You guys are

769
00:40:20,640 --> 00:40:24,360
Speaker 1: now in Cincinnati. You have that like underscore PF in

770
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,479
Speaker 1: your Twitter name, but none of them are the lead writer.

771
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,120
Speaker 1: I mean they're all just kind of like, hey, we're

772
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,080
Speaker 1: just guys. We're not Sam. You know that's it's a

773
00:40:33,080 --> 00:40:35,600
Speaker 1: big it's a big flex go and lead right, But

774
00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 1: a big part of that was just claiming it and

775
00:40:37,040 --> 00:40:39,719
Speaker 1: hope nobody noticed or criticized me for it. So it's

776
00:40:39,800 --> 00:40:42,480
Speaker 1: I'm not sure there's a ton of merit involved in that,

777
00:40:42,560 --> 00:40:44,759
Speaker 1: just uh you know, you shoot your shot and see

778
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: what happens. So about a week ago, uh, PFF dropped

779
00:40:50,440 --> 00:40:54,080
Speaker 1: their fifty best players in the NFL right now. Uh

780
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,759
Speaker 1: Sam had the byeline on that, and we're gonna get

781
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,280
Speaker 1: into that and also some guys that were notable cuts.

782
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,400
Speaker 1: It's a great piece of content to run in late June,

783
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 1: and I know the football world devours it and that's good.

784
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:08,440
Speaker 1: But before we kind of get to that, I just

785
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,239
Speaker 1: wanted to talk with you, Sam because I touch based

786
00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:14,560
Speaker 1: with you briefly before the show. Um, just that just

787
00:41:14,600 --> 00:41:17,120
Speaker 1: to know how long you've been around and at PF

788
00:41:17,160 --> 00:41:18,880
Speaker 1: and you said since two thousand and eight, which is

789
00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:23,799
Speaker 1: going way back there. And you know p F has

790
00:41:23,840 --> 00:41:29,040
Speaker 1: a seat at the table um in professional football. And

791
00:41:29,239 --> 00:41:33,640
Speaker 1: I think, um, that's very interesting because the NFL, like

792
00:41:33,680 --> 00:41:39,600
Speaker 1: most businesses, but especially in the insular world of pro football,

793
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:43,760
Speaker 1: they don't take kindly to outsiders, especially those who quote

794
00:41:43,840 --> 00:41:48,359
Speaker 1: never played the game. And I know Nick Hornsby uh

795
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:52,040
Speaker 1: founded the site in the UK. You're an irishman, so

796
00:41:52,440 --> 00:41:56,720
Speaker 1: I mean that's another layer to this, and I'm just curious, Um,

797
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 1: as someone who's been with the company for well over

798
00:41:59,160 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: a decade now, Um, how long did it take in

799
00:42:01,640 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: your in your mind, uh to get a foothold and

800
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:07,600
Speaker 1: to kind of feel like you would earn the industry

801
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: respect because you certainly have because as of a couple

802
00:42:10,000 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 1: of years ago, h PFF has customized data that they

803
00:42:13,440 --> 00:42:15,560
Speaker 1: send out to all thirty two NFL teams, n C

804
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:20,759
Speaker 1: double a FBS team, CFL teams, media all over the country,

805
00:42:20,880 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 1: sports agencies. I mean, you are a power player as

806
00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:27,799
Speaker 1: a company. Um, how did this take hold? And did

807
00:42:27,840 --> 00:42:32,400
Speaker 1: you sense a lot of pushback industry wise until that happened?

808
00:42:33,239 --> 00:42:36,480
Speaker 1: You're right, the NFL doesn't like people didn't play the

809
00:42:36,520 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: game or aren't real football people. And you can only

810
00:42:39,440 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: imagine that that gets magnified massively when you're foreign as well. Right,

811
00:42:44,239 --> 00:42:46,680
Speaker 1: you know, you're British or you're Irish or you're European.

812
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 1: Coming over and telling us what to do with football

813
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:52,200
Speaker 1: and never played the game, everything's going to gain you.

814
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, that was definitely a big thing that we

815
00:42:55,280 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: had to battle against all the way. But critically, once

816
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,000
Speaker 1: you talk to people you know for any ended period

817
00:43:01,000 --> 00:43:04,279
Speaker 1: of time, it becomes very obvious very quickly if you

818
00:43:04,360 --> 00:43:06,600
Speaker 1: do or you don't know what you're talking about. So

819
00:43:06,920 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: as soon as you're actually able to get in front

820
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,680
Speaker 1: of any NFL guys and walk them through what it

821
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:14,520
Speaker 1: is PFF was doing and what it is we could

822
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 1: bring and help them with, that disappears and that dissolves.

823
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,280
Speaker 1: And that's that's the story in a nutshell of how

824
00:43:21,600 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 1: Chris Collinsworth ended up buying the company that you know,

825
00:43:24,719 --> 00:43:28,120
Speaker 1: he found PFF was really interested in the data, bought

826
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:30,920
Speaker 1: a kind of kind of consumer conscripted or subscription that

827
00:43:30,960 --> 00:43:33,640
Speaker 1: we were selling at the time, and then you know,

828
00:43:33,840 --> 00:43:36,759
Speaker 1: I thought they realized that the site was run by

829
00:43:37,040 --> 00:43:40,680
Speaker 1: European British guy Neil Hornsby and you know, phone him up,

830
00:43:40,719 --> 00:43:42,839
Speaker 1: thought he'd been cheated out of his money. But ten

831
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:45,480
Speaker 1: minutes later on the phone with Neil and you know,

832
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: he was convinced. It's like, okay, this guy maybe from

833
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:50,680
Speaker 1: a weird place and the bank orders of Britain, but

834
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,240
Speaker 1: he he knows what he's talking about. He knows football

835
00:43:53,239 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 1: as well as anybody in the NFL. And that's where

836
00:43:56,719 --> 00:43:59,640
Speaker 1: that starts. So the first hurdle is the toughest. Once

837
00:43:59,680 --> 00:44:01,920
Speaker 1: you can yet in front of people, once you can

838
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,239
Speaker 1: get them to accept the premise of what is you're

839
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 1: bringing to the table, then it all falls into place.

840
00:44:09,120 --> 00:44:11,560
Speaker 1: And really, you know, our first few years, we would

841
00:44:11,560 --> 00:44:14,040
Speaker 1: go to the Combine and we would try and set

842
00:44:14,120 --> 00:44:17,360
Speaker 1: up meetings with all these teams, and just getting the

843
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:19,640
Speaker 1: meeting was the achievement. You know, once you got them

844
00:44:19,640 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: in the room and you walked them through the process,

845
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:25,520
Speaker 1: nobody ever left that room going well, this is ridiculous,

846
00:44:25,560 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 1: Like this is useless. We don't need any of this, this,

847
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,719
Speaker 1: this doesn't make any sense. Every single meeting you would

848
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:32,880
Speaker 1: be like, wow, this is amazing stuff. We could do

849
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: all kinds of stuff. This is fantastic. Getting the meeting

850
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,680
Speaker 1: was the achievement, and then each year it it built

851
00:44:38,680 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 1: on the last year, and we went from a few

852
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:43,279
Speaker 1: meetings to you know, half the league, to most of

853
00:44:43,280 --> 00:44:46,359
Speaker 1: the league to all the league. Um, And that was

854
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:48,560
Speaker 1: sort of how it went over those for a few years.

855
00:44:49,360 --> 00:44:51,640
Speaker 1: I think it also partly changed. I noticed when like

856
00:44:51,680 --> 00:44:55,279
Speaker 1: pffs evaluation started having real world implications, like guys like

857
00:44:56,239 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 1: Andrew Wentworth. I'm trying to think of a few off

858
00:44:58,120 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: the top of head, just like guys that like PFF

859
00:45:00,000 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: always had as one of the top people started making

860
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: more money because I think in making more Pro Bowls,

861
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:08,719
Speaker 1: I think partly because PF had them ranked so high,

862
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 1: and so the media sort of started, you know, catching

863
00:45:12,440 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 1: onto how good they were, and like people started getting

864
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 1: paid through like some PF grades and then I was like, okay,

865
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:22,799
Speaker 1: that is that is some real like economic impact they're making. Yeah,

866
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,719
Speaker 1: it's funny. Um. I think offensive win in particular is

867
00:45:25,760 --> 00:45:29,000
Speaker 1: one area where we've really helped a lot of players

868
00:45:29,000 --> 00:45:31,759
Speaker 1: along guys like Witworth. You know, Evan Mathis was one

869
00:45:31,760 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: of our first players who we were kind of championing

870
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: way before anybody else. Because offensive line there aren't You

871
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:41,520
Speaker 1: don't get the stat right there, before we existed, all

872
00:45:41,640 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: the writers ever tell you about the offensive lineman that

873
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,600
Speaker 1: your team and signed is you know, started eight games

874
00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: last year. Well what does that mean? I mean were

875
00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:52,080
Speaker 1: they good games? Were they bad games? What? Like? That

876
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: tells me nothing? Um, So now you know with PF grades,

877
00:45:55,600 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: even ignore the grade we'll give you date on in

878
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:01,200
Speaker 1: terms of pressure and pressure rat and all those kinds

879
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:03,520
Speaker 1: of things. So you can start to quantify how good

880
00:46:03,520 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: these offensive lineman are. And even if you don't agree

881
00:46:05,920 --> 00:46:08,000
Speaker 1: with this, like even if you think we're crazy, it

882
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:10,120
Speaker 1: makes you go and watch that guy. Right, So, even

883
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,400
Speaker 1: if you think we were way off and Evan Mathis,

884
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,440
Speaker 1: people that would never have watched a snap of Evan Mathis,

885
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: we're going and looking at this guy and it's ruining

886
00:46:18,160 --> 00:46:19,799
Speaker 1: from the cells, whether it was good or not. And

887
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:23,120
Speaker 1: then people watch this tape came to the conclusion and

888
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,640
Speaker 1: suddenly Evan Mathis is a guy that actually does get

889
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,279
Speaker 1: covided in the NFL signs. You know a couple of

890
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:31,960
Speaker 1: decent deals with teams having been you know, the essentially

891
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: the backup and a two man rotation at guard with

892
00:46:35,360 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: the Bengals back in the day, I would say the thing,

893
00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: those those metrics, the ones that you've pioneered and created,

894
00:46:41,840 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: I think, especially like from the college into NFL kind

895
00:46:45,280 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: of the bridging the gap between the two. Nobody has

896
00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:51,640
Speaker 1: those for college, especially right, Like some teams have their

897
00:46:51,680 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 1: own version of like they do a free agent tracker

898
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,080
Speaker 1: and blah blah blah. But you know, it's it's really

899
00:46:56,160 --> 00:46:59,400
Speaker 1: standardizing and become like the gold standard of what is

900
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: like an a accepted form of a pressure from college

901
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,439
Speaker 1: and then a pressure from the NFL. So that's it's

902
00:47:04,440 --> 00:47:07,240
Speaker 1: really like very I think those, even more than the grades,

903
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:11,560
Speaker 1: are what's really been so instrumental. I think just generally

904
00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:15,160
Speaker 1: being able to put everything on a standardized universal system

905
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 1: across all Like it's huge. You you know, so many

906
00:47:19,560 --> 00:47:21,759
Speaker 1: fans will will sort of come at you with this

907
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. It's well, I watch every snap of

908
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:26,480
Speaker 1: this guy, and I think you're wrong about where you

909
00:47:26,560 --> 00:47:30,120
Speaker 1: have him ranked or where you have him rated, Like, Okay,

910
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:32,880
Speaker 1: where does that rank compared to everybody else? Like maybe

911
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 1: the league level at that position or that spot is

912
00:47:35,960 --> 00:47:37,840
Speaker 1: a lot better or worse than you think it is.

913
00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,800
Speaker 1: You know, you have to have the context of everything else,

914
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 1: even if you disagree with the exact methodology and how

915
00:47:44,760 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 1: it's all put together, the fact that it's all done

916
00:47:47,320 --> 00:47:50,320
Speaker 1: the same, and you know, we put all this time

917
00:47:50,360 --> 00:47:53,400
Speaker 1: and man hours and double blind systems across the board

918
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,640
Speaker 1: to make sure that it's as standardized as possible. Like

919
00:47:56,800 --> 00:47:59,680
Speaker 1: that in and of itself has some value. Well that's

920
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: why the good teams actually can use it as like

921
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 1: an arbitrage. Right, If you're the league standard, then the

922
00:48:05,080 --> 00:48:08,200
Speaker 1: team can find the undervalued stock for their system. Right,

923
00:48:08,239 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: So I think that I think that that's like if

924
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: they have one system and they know every league, every

925
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:14,840
Speaker 1: team in the league's looking at you know, this is

926
00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:16,760
Speaker 1: the number or this is the this is the whatever.

927
00:48:17,080 --> 00:48:19,360
Speaker 1: On our team, we believe that number can be expresent

928
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: higher because we play you know, with we have this linebacker,

929
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:26,080
Speaker 1: you know something like that. Right. So Dan was cool

930
00:48:26,160 --> 00:48:30,240
Speaker 1: with this discussion until you said arbitrage like a little

931
00:48:30,280 --> 00:48:33,200
Speaker 1: too much, just like you know this just think it's

932
00:48:33,239 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 1: like you get the better thing, you get something for nothing,

933
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:39,360
Speaker 1: little extra. It's actually arbitrage. But you know it's like

934
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:41,680
Speaker 1: when they give you the guacamole at Chappolan forget to

935
00:48:41,760 --> 00:48:43,680
Speaker 1: charge you kind of like that right by the way,

936
00:48:43,680 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: I like to imagine Colin's Worth just kind of rolling

937
00:48:46,840 --> 00:48:48,920
Speaker 1: into the office and his pajamas with a cup of

938
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:52,399
Speaker 1: coffee at a random time in Cincinnati just to keep

939
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:54,640
Speaker 1: everyone sharp, like or is he kind of like and

940
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,040
Speaker 1: I know, maybe it's all a remote type gig because

941
00:48:57,080 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: everyone's all over the world here, But is he like

942
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: a Lumberg type that will kind of just like head

943
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:05,000
Speaker 1: you off at the exit at five pm on a

944
00:49:05,080 --> 00:49:07,040
Speaker 1: Friday in the middle of June and be like, I

945
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:10,080
Speaker 1: need you to do some p f F TPS reports

946
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:14,200
Speaker 1: this weekend. What kind of I haven't seen the pajamas thing?

947
00:49:14,280 --> 00:49:16,359
Speaker 1: You know, That hasn't mean he'll He'll roll in there

948
00:49:16,400 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: with you know, one of those kind of airport travel briraces,

949
00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:22,399
Speaker 1: the things on wheels with the like six foot long

950
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,680
Speaker 1: handle that he tracks behind them. So he'll be pulling

951
00:49:24,719 --> 00:49:27,000
Speaker 1: one of those with the laptops and the iPads and

952
00:49:27,040 --> 00:49:29,680
Speaker 1: all screens that he's got with him, um, you know,

953
00:49:29,840 --> 00:49:32,120
Speaker 1: rocking the kind of the summer casual, you know, the

954
00:49:32,160 --> 00:49:35,440
Speaker 1: khaki shorts and the polos. But yeah, you can definitely

955
00:49:35,520 --> 00:49:39,319
Speaker 1: catch some you know, wayward flak if you just happen

956
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: to be in the vicinity at the time when he

957
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,399
Speaker 1: wants a question answer, you know, because if you don't

958
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: have the answer off the top of your head, it's

959
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: now your job to go find that answer. So that

960
00:49:48,000 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 1: can definitely happen. You gotta keep right and in all seriousness,

961
00:49:50,640 --> 00:49:53,319
Speaker 1: I mean Collinsworth obviously, UM he has one of the

962
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,880
Speaker 1: top media jobs in football Sunday night football. He watches

963
00:49:57,120 --> 00:49:59,359
Speaker 1: obviously a ton of games. Is he is there ever

964
00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:03,000
Speaker 1: a situation in UM without calling anyone out specifically, where

965
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 1: Collinsworth is covering a game and then he goes and

966
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:07,840
Speaker 1: he checks his website and the grade doesn't match with

967
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:09,880
Speaker 1: what he saw and then he's upset about it. Do

968
00:50:10,000 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: people catch heat if they're not on the Collinsworth scale

969
00:50:12,880 --> 00:50:16,240
Speaker 1: of what you guys do in terms of measuring play.

970
00:50:16,440 --> 00:50:19,000
Speaker 1: It's it's never we've never been in trouble for it.

971
00:50:19,080 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 1: But there's definitely times where we've had to explain that discrepancy.

972
00:50:22,640 --> 00:50:25,399
Speaker 1: It's like, well, explain to me why this guy's great

973
00:50:25,520 --> 00:50:28,600
Speaker 1: is whatever it is when I'm seeing this, and you know,

974
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 1: a lot of the times there's there's reasons, right, there

975
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 1: are things that either you're you're not paying attention to

976
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: or there's like again, sort of the idea documenting all

977
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,640
Speaker 1: is important because I think the brain functions is like

978
00:50:41,880 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: a highlight reel system, and you remember the good, you

979
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,080
Speaker 1: remember the bad, and you toss that everything in the middle.

980
00:50:46,400 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 1: But everything in the middle actually makes up of a

981
00:50:48,920 --> 00:50:51,640
Speaker 1: guy's game, right, So if you're just throwing all that

982
00:50:51,680 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 1: out as the same, it isn't like it's various gradations

983
00:50:55,640 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: of either side of zero a little bit um and

984
00:50:58,600 --> 00:51:01,000
Speaker 1: that's where the difference is. So a lot of the times,

985
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,360
Speaker 1: stuff like that is you're remembering a few big plays

986
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:08,040
Speaker 1: and you're sort of not remembering the tremend a little

987
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 1: bit and not like this whole show about Evan Mathis again.

988
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,799
Speaker 1: But I think that's one of the reasons why we

989
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:17,040
Speaker 1: were so different on Evan Mathis to everybody else, because

990
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: he didn't have a ton of those highlight reel blocks.

991
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,520
Speaker 1: He was playing at about the same time as Carl

992
00:51:22,600 --> 00:51:24,920
Speaker 1: Knicks for the Saint, and Karl Knicks was like a

993
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:29,000
Speaker 1: walking highlight reel machine. That guy would just pancake defenders left,

994
00:51:29,040 --> 00:51:31,520
Speaker 1: right and center and bury them like his highlight reel

995
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:34,680
Speaker 1: would have been phenomenal for offensive lineman, but Carl Knicks

996
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 1: got beat more often than Evin Mathis, and Evan Mathis,

997
00:51:37,280 --> 00:51:39,719
Speaker 1: this thing was he just never lost. Now, he didn't

998
00:51:39,719 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: always bear a dude and can fire guards off line

999
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,960
Speaker 1: and you know, open up this giant, yawning chasm for

1000
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,719
Speaker 1: the running back to go through. But he was consistently

1001
00:51:47,760 --> 00:51:51,000
Speaker 1: winning a little bit every single snap, you know, just

1002
00:51:51,040 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: moving this guy enough to give the running back a crease.

1003
00:51:54,520 --> 00:51:55,920
Speaker 1: And that's all you need. And if you do that

1004
00:51:56,040 --> 00:51:58,279
Speaker 1: sixty times a game, you're coming up with a really

1005
00:51:58,320 --> 00:52:03,359
Speaker 1: good grade. So in your PFF fifty here and I'm

1006
00:52:03,400 --> 00:52:06,319
Speaker 1: gonna quote your blurb as we get into it now. Uh,

1007
00:52:06,520 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: this is a bit of a humble brag open by

1008
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: Monson and the biggest of all spots with a lot

1009
00:52:11,000 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: of metrics, Uh, a lot of clicks. One of the

1010
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:17,240
Speaker 1: benefits of watching and degrading every player on every play

1011
00:52:17,280 --> 00:52:20,160
Speaker 1: of the NFL season is the unrivaled ability to compare

1012
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:23,239
Speaker 1: players with the help of the largest football database on

1013
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: the planet. Whoa um And with that said, how do

1014
00:52:27,000 --> 00:52:29,480
Speaker 1: you not have Patrick Mahomes is the greatest player on

1015
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,080
Speaker 1: the planet Because you have Aaron Donald number one and

1016
00:52:32,120 --> 00:52:34,640
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes number two. And we're gonna dig in, and

1017
00:52:34,680 --> 00:52:36,600
Speaker 1: I know Greg has some he wants to call out

1018
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: in Cynthy and I will, But just how does Aaron Donald?

1019
00:52:39,960 --> 00:52:42,840
Speaker 1: How is he the greatest player alive? Right now? So

1020
00:52:42,880 --> 00:52:46,600
Speaker 1: I think everybody I saw yes had a guy that

1021
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 1: ranked down Donald fourth among interior defenders. So almost everybody

1022
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:53,120
Speaker 1: acknowledges that Aaron Donald was the best player at his

1023
00:52:53,120 --> 00:52:56,200
Speaker 1: position in the NFL, and Patrick Mahomes is the best

1024
00:52:56,200 --> 00:52:59,120
Speaker 1: player in his position in the NFL. So the question

1025
00:52:59,200 --> 00:53:01,440
Speaker 1: essentially is, well, how do you compare those two positions

1026
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:04,640
Speaker 1: are completely different. One of the things that the PFF

1027
00:53:04,719 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 1: fifty does and most PFF list is we get rid

1028
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:12,439
Speaker 1: of position value, right because if position value was relevant here,

1029
00:53:12,960 --> 00:53:15,880
Speaker 1: the first twenty five players would be quarterbacks, and frankly,

1030
00:53:15,920 --> 00:53:19,360
Speaker 1: that doesn't make for a great list. So position values gone.

1031
00:53:19,600 --> 00:53:21,239
Speaker 1: You can be the top of this list if you're

1032
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 1: a guard, if you're a defensive tackle, if you're a quarterback.

1033
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,319
Speaker 1: It's all the same. So now you're like, well, how

1034
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:30,040
Speaker 1: do you kind of quantify relatively how much better than

1035
00:53:30,080 --> 00:53:32,120
Speaker 1: the rest of the league those guys are. And I

1036
00:53:32,160 --> 00:53:35,479
Speaker 1: think that's where Aaron Donald separates himself because in any

1037
00:53:35,520 --> 00:53:38,360
Speaker 1: given year, Patrick Mahomes might not be the best quarterback

1038
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:40,879
Speaker 1: in the NFL. Aaron or Aaron Rodgers was the best

1039
00:53:40,920 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 1: quarterback in the NFL last year when m v P.

1040
00:53:43,280 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: The year before that, Lamar Jackson was unanimous m v P.

1041
00:53:46,760 --> 00:53:49,319
Speaker 1: So Momes might not be that guy any given year.

1042
00:53:49,400 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 1: And if he is, the gap between him and the

1043
00:53:51,440 --> 00:53:55,520
Speaker 1: next guys it's not huge. Aaron Donald, there's not like

1044
00:53:55,520 --> 00:53:58,320
Speaker 1: it's never a discussion. Aaron Donald is the best player

1045
00:53:58,360 --> 00:54:00,600
Speaker 1: in his position in the league. There is a huge

1046
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:03,359
Speaker 1: gap between him and number two, and it hasn't been

1047
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:07,120
Speaker 1: a discussion for what like five six years now. So

1048
00:54:07,560 --> 00:54:11,240
Speaker 1: the gap between Donald and anybody else at his position,

1049
00:54:11,239 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: I think it's just so huge that that has to

1050
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: be relevant in terms of just how good a guy

1051
00:54:16,719 --> 00:54:19,000
Speaker 1: is and whether he's the best player in the NFL

1052
00:54:19,120 --> 00:54:22,600
Speaker 1: or not. Like I get throwing out positional value, you

1053
00:54:22,680 --> 00:54:24,680
Speaker 1: gotta do that some up. But there is still something

1054
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 1: weird about seeing like five running backs in your top

1055
00:54:29,560 --> 00:54:31,120
Speaker 1: or like three in your top thirty, and you have

1056
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry, who's not really a huge weapon on passing

1057
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:37,759
Speaker 1: downs number twelve. You know you've got McCaffrey up there

1058
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:41,040
Speaker 1: in the top thirty chub. But somewhere in there, Camaro

1059
00:54:41,239 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 1: was in there, Dalvin Cook was, I mean, it has

1060
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,920
Speaker 1: to give you the like high it's to be ranking

1061
00:54:47,960 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: a bunch of running backs that high when all you

1062
00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:53,800
Speaker 1: do is talk about how fungible running backs are. I

1063
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,440
Speaker 1: have a huge degree of sympathy for running backs generally,

1064
00:54:57,560 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 1: because that is one of the most like a tri

1065
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:05,640
Speaker 1: you know, abuse, physically difficult, demanding, taxing positions all of football.

1066
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:08,840
Speaker 1: And it just so happens that all of the numbers

1067
00:55:08,880 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: say that it doesn't really matter who the guy is

1068
00:55:11,600 --> 00:55:14,440
Speaker 1: getting the garries, like you can you're a product of

1069
00:55:14,480 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: the environment on a bone on a late June lift,

1070
00:55:17,560 --> 00:55:19,600
Speaker 1: and you think that makes up for it, not even

1071
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,279
Speaker 1: throw them a bone, just like acknowledge that what they're doing.

1072
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:25,240
Speaker 1: Like when when running backs complain about the running backs

1073
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 1: don't matter thing, they're right, like it's it's a brutal position.

1074
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:32,400
Speaker 1: They're all incredibly talented. There's some of the most spectangular

1075
00:55:32,440 --> 00:55:36,120
Speaker 1: athletes playing the game. It just so happens that, like

1076
00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,520
Speaker 1: the thing that will determine the most whether or not

1077
00:55:39,560 --> 00:55:42,200
Speaker 1: you're having success, it's not you. It's not you versus

1078
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:44,320
Speaker 1: your backup versus a guy you can get off the street.

1079
00:55:44,640 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: It's how good is your offensive line, It's what kind

1080
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,920
Speaker 1: of formations are your is your offense turning out in,

1081
00:55:51,040 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 1: because that's going to dictate the box count, which is

1082
00:55:53,480 --> 00:55:55,920
Speaker 1: going to dictate how much success you have. Like it's

1083
00:55:55,960 --> 00:56:00,960
Speaker 1: just this sad Henry kind of Henry Peas number twelve

1084
00:56:01,000 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: and the other guys that are in the top thirty.

1085
00:56:03,680 --> 00:56:06,359
Speaker 1: Putting them there, to me has to be saying that

1086
00:56:06,400 --> 00:56:10,600
Speaker 1: they rise above that they rise above the other factors, right,

1087
00:56:10,680 --> 00:56:13,319
Speaker 1: And I think for Henry in particular, we're now going

1088
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:18,640
Speaker 1: on a couple of years of him statistically dramatically outperforming

1089
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: what should be possible given what we know from you know,

1090
00:56:21,560 --> 00:56:24,160
Speaker 1: all the stuff that we just talked about. Derrick Henn

1091
00:56:24,280 --> 00:56:26,239
Speaker 1: is not a bad offensive line in front of him,

1092
00:56:26,360 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 1: but he certainly hasn't had an offensive line that has

1093
00:56:29,040 --> 00:56:31,839
Speaker 1: produced that should have produced what he's been producing. And

1094
00:56:32,200 --> 00:56:34,319
Speaker 1: you know, there there are not that many players where

1095
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:37,160
Speaker 1: we can think of specific games where it hasn't been

1096
00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:39,960
Speaker 1: going great and then Derrick Henry just took over and

1097
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:42,919
Speaker 1: you know, won the Titans the game. So I think

1098
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 1: Derrick Henry right in the day is saying that running

1099
00:56:46,920 --> 00:56:50,760
Speaker 1: backs generally don't matter. Derrick Henry might Like Derrick Henry

1100
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:53,239
Speaker 1: is bucking that day to trend and has been for

1101
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,719
Speaker 1: a long enough time now that it's it's at least notable.

1102
00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,440
Speaker 1: I think it has something to do with supply and

1103
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: demand two over time, not necessarily the one to one,

1104
00:57:02,200 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: like your replacement versus you. But I think that if

1105
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,560
Speaker 1: you look like this list is for next season, it's

1106
00:57:06,560 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 1: a projection of the top fifty players for this particular season.

1107
00:57:09,560 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 1: If you were to make this list out for five

1108
00:57:12,080 --> 00:57:14,560
Speaker 1: seasons and try to forecast it out in some way,

1109
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:16,520
Speaker 1: you might have running backs on there, but it probably

1110
00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,440
Speaker 1: wouldn't always be the same one or they probably wouldn't

1111
00:57:18,480 --> 00:57:21,000
Speaker 1: be in the same position. Right, So it's not necessarily

1112
00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,200
Speaker 1: that each that that the running back, Like each individual

1113
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 1: running back isn't helpful or in a specific season, very impactful,

1114
00:57:28,640 --> 00:57:30,720
Speaker 1: but it's that over time. Like, look like you had

1115
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:32,400
Speaker 1: some pretty good running backs come out of this year's

1116
00:57:32,480 --> 00:57:35,000
Speaker 1: draft class, and I guess Naja Harris is a first rounder,

1117
00:57:35,040 --> 00:57:37,320
Speaker 1: but like you got Javonte Williams is getting a lot

1118
00:57:37,320 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: of talk about him, and they got him pretty late.

1119
00:57:40,720 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: So it's at the end of the day, it's it's

1120
00:57:42,280 --> 00:57:45,240
Speaker 1: less about like an individual being replaceable and more about

1121
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:47,200
Speaker 1: kind of the trend of the position and all the

1122
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:49,080
Speaker 1: other factors that that's kind of how I read it

1123
00:57:49,200 --> 00:57:51,360
Speaker 1: at least. Yeah, I mean, I think a big part

1124
00:57:51,440 --> 00:57:54,480
Speaker 1: of the running backs don't matter the running backsplace thing

1125
00:57:54,800 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 1: is a lot of it is like a lot of

1126
00:57:57,120 --> 00:58:00,720
Speaker 1: talented run backs. Once any running back in the NFL

1127
00:58:01,040 --> 00:58:03,600
Speaker 1: is an incredibly talent athlete and player, and part of

1128
00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:06,920
Speaker 1: their problem is that the drop off between you know,

1129
00:58:06,960 --> 00:58:09,240
Speaker 1: the top ten guys in the NFL and the guys

1130
00:58:09,280 --> 00:58:11,440
Speaker 1: that are strong, you know, strong just to make Brosters

1131
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:14,640
Speaker 1: is not big like it feels like it should be.

1132
00:58:15,000 --> 00:58:17,280
Speaker 1: But I think it's closer than a lot of other positions.

1133
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:20,080
Speaker 1: And part of the reason they're that replaceable is because

1134
00:58:20,520 --> 00:58:23,200
Speaker 1: you can just go to the bargain bin and grab

1135
00:58:23,280 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 1: these guys that were incredible college running backs, um and

1136
00:58:26,920 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 1: and they're still fantastic athletes and playmakers, and it doesn't

1137
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:32,800
Speaker 1: have that big a drop off, and so it's not

1138
00:58:33,160 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: necessarily a knock on the athlete the position. It is

1139
00:58:36,680 --> 00:58:40,640
Speaker 1: part of that that that supply there there's an abundance

1140
00:58:40,680 --> 00:58:43,080
Speaker 1: of running backs that can all do a similar job.

1141
00:58:44,240 --> 00:58:47,160
Speaker 1: I'm looking at the list and I was trying to

1142
00:58:47,280 --> 00:58:48,960
Speaker 1: figure out in my mind, who's the guy in the

1143
00:58:48,960 --> 00:58:53,000
Speaker 1: top outside the top ten who I could see kind

1144
00:58:53,000 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: of making that leap. And you have Miles Garrett at

1145
00:58:57,680 --> 00:59:00,280
Speaker 1: I could see him being a guy because the ada

1146
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:04,440
Speaker 1: that you pulled from grading every play, obviously it's connected

1147
00:59:04,480 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: to um every snap. And he was not the same

1148
00:59:07,800 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: guy after he got sick. I wonder where he's in

1149
00:59:09,960 --> 00:59:13,240
Speaker 1: this list. If he was the same Miles Garrett uh

1150
00:59:13,480 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: leading in after week ten as he was in the

1151
00:59:15,600 --> 00:59:17,200
Speaker 1: first ten weeks, I could see him being the guy

1152
00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:19,800
Speaker 1: that ends up maybe cracking the top five. Even is

1153
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: there somebody that jumps out to you that you could

1154
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,000
Speaker 1: see making a leap based on what they gave you

1155
00:59:24,080 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: last year? Yeah? I think Garrett Stephaniely good one. I'm

1156
00:59:27,280 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: gonna be writing an article tomorrow about look if if

1157
00:59:30,960 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 1: Myles Garrett puts it together for a full seventeen game schedule. Now, um,

1158
00:59:36,000 --> 00:59:38,960
Speaker 1: he's a defensive Player of the Year candidate. He's he's

1159
00:59:38,960 --> 00:59:41,240
Speaker 1: the one guy, or one of a few guys that

1160
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 1: could rival Aaron Donald on that particular award. And it

1161
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: feels like that's happened already, but if you look at

1162
00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:51,160
Speaker 1: his career, we haven't really seen that yet. We had

1163
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: half a season of that and then he you know,

1164
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:55,760
Speaker 1: brain Mason Rudolph with his own helmet and missed half

1165
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: the year, and then we got another half a season

1166
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:00,360
Speaker 1: of it, and then caught COVID and you're I wasn't

1167
01:00:00,440 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: quite the same guy. So we haven't yet had this

1168
01:00:03,280 --> 01:00:06,360
Speaker 1: full season of Garrett in full flow, the peak of

1169
01:00:06,400 --> 01:00:09,000
Speaker 1: his hours. But it feels like we're right on the

1170
01:00:09,080 --> 01:00:11,640
Speaker 1: edge of that. But like maybe one is that year

1171
01:00:11,880 --> 01:00:16,400
Speaker 1: where we get the full, unadulterated, full version of Miles Garrett.

1172
01:00:16,440 --> 01:00:18,440
Speaker 1: And I think that player is special and it's a

1173
01:00:18,480 --> 01:00:21,760
Speaker 1: top ten talent um. I think, you know, Nick Bosa's

1174
01:00:21,880 --> 01:00:25,080
Speaker 1: the guy. It's crazy that we've we've still only seen

1175
01:00:25,240 --> 01:00:28,000
Speaker 1: rookie Nick Bosa. You know, we really haven't seen what

1176
01:00:28,160 --> 01:00:30,360
Speaker 1: that was gonna look like. In the year two, we

1177
01:00:30,440 --> 01:00:34,640
Speaker 1: lasted what for something snaps and then got injured. Nick

1178
01:00:34,720 --> 01:00:38,520
Speaker 1: Bosa broke the rookie record for pressures in the season,

1179
01:00:38,760 --> 01:00:42,920
Speaker 1: which had stood until since. Like that was Aldon Smith's

1180
01:00:42,920 --> 01:00:45,120
Speaker 1: record that he broke, So that was a long standing

1181
01:00:45,200 --> 01:00:47,280
Speaker 1: number and he didn't just break it. He like blew

1182
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:50,000
Speaker 1: past it by a ton of pressures. Think ended with

1183
01:00:50,040 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: eight on the season and was still cooking in the

1184
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:55,760
Speaker 1: Super Bowl at the time, way past the rookie wall

1185
01:00:55,840 --> 01:00:58,280
Speaker 1: that these guys are supposed to hit. Nick Bosa, I think,

1186
01:00:58,280 --> 01:01:01,040
Speaker 1: had twelve pressures on Patrick Hims in that Super Bowl

1187
01:01:01,360 --> 01:01:03,200
Speaker 1: and was one of the best players on the field. So,

1188
01:01:03,760 --> 01:01:07,560
Speaker 1: like Nick, Chase Young is the best edge rusher prospect

1189
01:01:07,600 --> 01:01:10,040
Speaker 1: we've ever seen come into the NFL, and he looks

1190
01:01:10,040 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 1: like he could be special. But Nick Bosta was like

1191
01:01:12,440 --> 01:01:14,600
Speaker 1: right there with him. I mean, his college production is

1192
01:01:14,720 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 1: right there. He was young, he was a tremendously special

1193
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:22,360
Speaker 1: talent and rookie boss phenomenal, So I could easily see

1194
01:01:22,440 --> 01:01:25,800
Speaker 1: him take the step this year, and like some ending himself,

1195
01:01:25,880 --> 01:01:28,360
Speaker 1: was one of the best players and edge rushes in

1196
01:01:28,360 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: the NFL. Did you get a lot of grief for

1197
01:01:31,600 --> 01:01:36,200
Speaker 1: having Brady seventh? Actually no, it wasn't an awful lot

1198
01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:38,960
Speaker 1: of back on Brady and people were more. People were

1199
01:01:39,040 --> 01:01:44,000
Speaker 1: drawn to other either omissions or you know, against football. Yeah,

1200
01:01:44,080 --> 01:01:46,640
Speaker 1: I mean it is. It is ridiculous. He's the number

1201
01:01:46,640 --> 01:01:50,120
Speaker 1: two quarterback on this list. He's forty three years old.

1202
01:01:50,840 --> 01:01:54,400
Speaker 1: Dan was talking about hashtag gradual of decline literally like

1203
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: six seasons ago. Now this is whatever at the end

1204
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,160
Speaker 1: of his Patriots run, I stay by it, I get it.

1205
01:02:01,360 --> 01:02:04,360
Speaker 1: That's changed around. You said that before one of his

1206
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: is like last MCS Right, that's what we thought. And

1207
01:02:10,760 --> 01:02:13,320
Speaker 1: it is crazy though that credibly. I almost think his

1208
01:02:13,600 --> 01:02:15,640
Speaker 1: buck season got a little underrated because he had a

1209
01:02:15,640 --> 01:02:18,200
Speaker 1: couple of interceptions, you know, in one of the playoff games,

1210
01:02:18,200 --> 01:02:20,040
Speaker 1: and so people want to bring uh, you know, in

1211
01:02:20,040 --> 01:02:23,040
Speaker 1: the championship and want to bring that up. Whereas now

1212
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:25,160
Speaker 1: he really was one of the top two or three

1213
01:02:25,240 --> 01:02:27,280
Speaker 1: quarterbacks for last nine or ten games. He didn't start

1214
01:02:27,360 --> 01:02:29,880
Speaker 1: the season that way, but the way he finished, he

1215
01:02:30,040 --> 01:02:32,400
Speaker 1: was a top three quarterback at age forty three, which

1216
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: is just so blowing past the um, you know, like

1217
01:02:37,000 --> 01:02:40,240
Speaker 1: level of anything we would even have considered was possible

1218
01:02:40,280 --> 01:02:42,280
Speaker 1: for a forty or forty one year old. Well not

1219
01:02:42,440 --> 01:02:44,240
Speaker 1: just that, but you have to put it in the

1220
01:02:44,280 --> 01:02:47,800
Speaker 1: context of a quarterback in a Bruce Arian system. Right

1221
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,320
Speaker 1: before the first year of quarterbacks in the Bruce Areas

1222
01:02:51,360 --> 01:02:55,600
Speaker 1: system is almost always an absolute train wreck of turnovers. Right,

1223
01:02:55,880 --> 01:03:00,720
Speaker 1: Andrew Luck, Jamis Winston, Carson Palmer, those three guys each

1224
01:03:01,040 --> 01:03:04,439
Speaker 1: forty turnover he plays in a season the first year

1225
01:03:05,040 --> 01:03:08,400
Speaker 1: with Bruce Arian. That isn't like it's a monster number.

1226
01:03:08,440 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 1: I think those are all the highest numbers we've ever

1227
01:03:10,280 --> 01:03:14,520
Speaker 1: seen from a quarterback over season. Brady thought one second,

1228
01:03:14,520 --> 01:03:17,120
Speaker 1: just because I'm curious, m who had the most turnover

1229
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: worthy plays since two thousand eight? Is it Winston in

1230
01:03:19,920 --> 01:03:23,240
Speaker 1: the thirty thirty year? I think that, Well, that was

1231
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,840
Speaker 1: one of his for that was one of those forty numbers.

1232
01:03:25,880 --> 01:03:28,640
Speaker 1: I think forty is the highest we've seen over season,

1233
01:03:28,920 --> 01:03:31,360
Speaker 1: and all three of them have been the first year

1234
01:03:31,400 --> 01:03:34,360
Speaker 1: in the Bruce Arian system. But Tom Brady in his

1235
01:03:34,400 --> 01:03:37,680
Speaker 1: first year in the Bruce Arian system absently any preseason

1236
01:03:38,040 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: had twelve. So like a completely different scale. It's just

1237
01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:45,280
Speaker 1: not what happens, and it's not like Brady in a

1238
01:03:45,320 --> 01:03:47,640
Speaker 1: Bruce Arian system. Or was it Bruce Arians in a

1239
01:03:47,680 --> 01:03:50,880
Speaker 1: Brady system? Well, I think they met in the middle, right,

1240
01:03:50,920 --> 01:03:54,480
Speaker 1: But this was definitely a more aggressive offense than Tom

1241
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: Brady has been in for a lot of years. Like

1242
01:03:56,600 --> 01:04:00,840
Speaker 1: his average depth of target was you know, pretty far

1243
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 1: down field compared to what Brady normally works with eight

1244
01:04:04,160 --> 01:04:07,440
Speaker 1: point nine or sorry, yeah, Tom Brady nine point six.

1245
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:10,520
Speaker 1: So that's that's getting up there, said he would go

1246
01:04:10,720 --> 01:04:13,720
Speaker 1: entire halves of Sure, but you got better. You had

1247
01:04:13,760 --> 01:04:15,720
Speaker 1: better receivers than he's had in a long time in

1248
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:18,680
Speaker 1: New England that ran deeper routes. I'm just saying, like,

1249
01:04:18,680 --> 01:04:19,960
Speaker 1: I don't know if you tell to I don't know

1250
01:04:19,960 --> 01:04:24,560
Speaker 1: how much like telling Tom Brady what to do anyone?

1251
01:04:24,600 --> 01:04:26,520
Speaker 1: Does you know what I mean? Like, I'm sure you

1252
01:04:26,560 --> 01:04:28,680
Speaker 1: want to do that. Great when he's getting the house

1253
01:04:28,720 --> 01:04:32,000
Speaker 1: for five weeks, like in the families leaving, then you're

1254
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:34,880
Speaker 1: seeing who's wearing the pants, even in that powerful household,

1255
01:04:34,920 --> 01:04:37,760
Speaker 1: you're seeing. But that that essentially was the highest average

1256
01:04:37,880 --> 01:04:40,040
Speaker 1: at the target of anybody in the NFL that actually

1257
01:04:40,120 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: played most of the season, like the only guys ahead

1258
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,240
Speaker 1: of him last year or Joe Flacco, Jalen Hurts and

1259
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:51,240
Speaker 1: then again yeah not you know, not great um and

1260
01:04:51,280 --> 01:04:54,320
Speaker 1: then Drew Lock who was a tenth of a yard higher.

1261
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:57,680
Speaker 1: So it's just okay, it's just a lot I don't like.

1262
01:04:57,720 --> 01:05:01,520
Speaker 1: I don't I don't talk about the Flaco Jets, Like

1263
01:05:01,560 --> 01:05:04,120
Speaker 1: if I ever want to really annoyed Dan, bring up

1264
01:05:04,200 --> 01:05:08,240
Speaker 1: bring up my Flaco versus Donald Jets. Listen, if Flaco was,

1265
01:05:08,320 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: if Donald was still in the building and Flack over

1266
01:05:10,600 --> 01:05:14,000
Speaker 1: that matter, it would bother me more. But we've moved forward. Finally, Sam,

1267
01:05:14,080 --> 01:05:16,600
Speaker 1: before we go, yes it is, I did the Lamar

1268
01:05:16,680 --> 01:05:19,560
Speaker 1: Jock Jackson cough move because I would say the biggest

1269
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:25,800
Speaker 1: thing that got the football gagnasanity buzzing was Lamar Jackson

1270
01:05:25,840 --> 01:05:28,160
Speaker 1: missing the top fifty year after he was. Yes, the

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01:05:28,240 --> 01:05:30,960
Speaker 1: unanimous m v P. Now, the one thing that surprises

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Speaker 1: me the most because you wrote a nice little like

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01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: a bonus piece that people should check out over at

1274
01:05:35,320 --> 01:05:39,120
Speaker 1: PFF dot com on players that missed the cut that

1275
01:05:39,160 --> 01:05:42,240
Speaker 1: are you know, top players, and you kind of ended

1276
01:05:42,280 --> 01:05:45,280
Speaker 1: your right up on Jackson saying that you know he

1277
01:05:45,360 --> 01:05:49,200
Speaker 1: was behind these six other quarterbacks and spinning forward to

1278
01:05:49,200 --> 01:05:51,640
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty one, you don't think that was necessarily

1279
01:05:51,680 --> 01:05:55,440
Speaker 1: an off year in he might just be in that

1280
01:05:55,600 --> 01:05:58,560
Speaker 1: seven to twelve range potentially as opposed to one of

1281
01:05:58,560 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 1: the true grades of the league, which I know it

1282
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,720
Speaker 1: doesn't sit well with a lot of people. So soon

1283
01:06:02,760 --> 01:06:05,840
Speaker 1: after that incredible twenty nineteen. Yeah, but I think the

1284
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:09,080
Speaker 1: really like the the step back that he took last

1285
01:06:09,120 --> 01:06:13,800
Speaker 1: year I think is important because the whole quarterback landscape

1286
01:06:13,840 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 1: is kind of volatile. You know you're gonna look at

1287
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:18,800
Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers, right, Rogers, Well, I don't I don't know

1288
01:06:18,840 --> 01:06:20,520
Speaker 1: if he made the list last year, if he was

1289
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: a certain he was nowhere near where he was this year,

1290
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,840
Speaker 1: and the Green Bay Packers drafted his replacement and it

1291
01:06:25,880 --> 01:06:29,360
Speaker 1: wasn't crazy like everyone was gone, well, yeah, Rogers had

1292
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,640
Speaker 1: the client for a while. I wasn't been the same guy.

1293
01:06:32,680 --> 01:06:35,760
Speaker 1: But maybe drafting is replaying the well spur this Aaron

1294
01:06:35,840 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: Rodgers revenge tour, and that's exactly what happened. Is the

1295
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: best quarterback in the NFL. But before that, you were

1296
01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:43,760
Speaker 1: looking at this guy who was still really really good,

1297
01:06:44,200 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: but was you know, ranking fifth, stick seventh, eighth in

1298
01:06:47,280 --> 01:06:51,200
Speaker 1: the NFL somewhere like that. I think everybody except Mahomes

1299
01:06:51,240 --> 01:06:53,480
Speaker 1: is in that bracket now, right, You're looking at these

1300
01:06:53,480 --> 01:06:56,520
Speaker 1: guys and you're saying, if he ranked number two or

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01:06:56,600 --> 01:06:59,200
Speaker 1: number eight in the NFL next year, wouldn't surprise you.

1302
01:06:59,440 --> 01:07:02,000
Speaker 1: And I think you can throw like Deshaun Watson, assuming

1303
01:07:02,040 --> 01:07:06,040
Speaker 1: he plays Tom Brady, Josh Allen, you know, Russell Wilson.

1304
01:07:06,120 --> 01:07:07,520
Speaker 1: There's a whole bunch of those guys I think that

1305
01:07:07,560 --> 01:07:10,400
Speaker 1: fit into that category, and Lamar Jackson is one of them.

1306
01:07:10,560 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: I think if he has an incredible year and the

1307
01:07:12,880 --> 01:07:15,240
Speaker 1: Ravens have figured out the answers to why the passing

1308
01:07:15,280 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 1: game fell off, and the guys like Bateman, Rachad Bateman

1309
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:21,320
Speaker 1: there are number one, Um, it's a huge jack there.

1310
01:07:21,560 --> 01:07:26,040
Speaker 1: It wouldn't shock anybody. Uh. But equally, if they've just

1311
01:07:26,200 --> 01:07:28,640
Speaker 1: figured out a little bit and Lamar Jackson is still

1312
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:32,280
Speaker 1: an incredible athlete, it's still one of the most devastating

1313
01:07:32,280 --> 01:07:36,920
Speaker 1: book carriers in the NFL, but it's not the most complete,

1314
01:07:37,000 --> 01:07:39,720
Speaker 1: polished pastor in the NFL. And that's going to be

1315
01:07:39,760 --> 01:07:42,400
Speaker 1: the cap of how good that offense can be. Will

1316
01:07:42,440 --> 01:07:44,840
Speaker 1: that shock anybody? And if he ranks, you know, behind

1317
01:07:45,160 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: Prescott and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes, you don't have to,

1318
01:07:48,240 --> 01:07:50,080
Speaker 1: you know, come up with that many names for him

1319
01:07:50,120 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 1: to rank behind before he doesn't make a list of

1320
01:07:52,440 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 1: the best d players in the NFL. Now, if it's

1321
01:07:55,720 --> 01:07:58,840
Speaker 1: the best fifty athletes in the NFL, Lamar is what

1322
01:07:59,040 --> 01:08:02,600
Speaker 1: like one to three. He's somewhere in the top couple. Um.

1323
01:08:02,640 --> 01:08:05,880
Speaker 1: But in terms of just actual player, he needs to

1324
01:08:05,920 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: be a better passor than he was last year, and

1325
01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:11,400
Speaker 1: we've seen that from him. But the projecting it forward

1326
01:08:11,600 --> 01:08:13,640
Speaker 1: is how likely is it that that is going to

1327
01:08:13,720 --> 01:08:16,800
Speaker 1: happen again in one Now? I mean, I don't know.

1328
01:08:17,080 --> 01:08:19,160
Speaker 1: I think there's a reasonable case to be made. I

1329
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:22,760
Speaker 1: the one point I would all make though, is that

1330
01:08:23,479 --> 01:08:27,080
Speaker 1: my hands were tied by our quarterback. Pankings came out first,

1331
01:08:27,360 --> 01:08:30,720
Speaker 1: which makes the whole thing Bruce Bruce Gradkowski's fault and

1332
01:08:30,800 --> 01:08:36,000
Speaker 1: not mine. That's the important thing. I guess, Yeah, I

1333
01:08:36,000 --> 01:08:38,360
Speaker 1: guess when people come at you and you're like, what

1334
01:08:38,439 --> 01:08:44,360
Speaker 1: Bryce Callahan is thirty six, Hey, hey, Lamar Jackson is

1335
01:08:44,360 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: down on this list, then oh you can just go

1336
01:08:46,479 --> 01:08:50,360
Speaker 1: blame old Bruce and account and Bruce and fault. I

1337
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,439
Speaker 1: like Bryce Callahanny, I was actually gonna get make sure

1338
01:08:52,439 --> 01:08:53,800
Speaker 1: you get that in there that I love that he

1339
01:08:53,880 --> 01:08:58,000
Speaker 1: made so well fifty. There's a lot of players in

1340
01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:01,360
Speaker 1: the league. There's like I just liked you even play

1341
01:09:01,400 --> 01:09:04,479
Speaker 1: that much last year. It hurts Greg that he's out

1342
01:09:04,479 --> 01:09:06,040
Speaker 1: of the top fifth. You should know that. Sam. So

1343
01:09:06,720 --> 01:09:09,760
Speaker 1: before we go, um uh, Sam, and thank you for

1344
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:12,240
Speaker 1: your time. Cynthy has something she wants to get off

1345
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: her chest. Um, you have a lovely, lilting Irish brogue,

1346
01:09:16,560 --> 01:09:18,880
Speaker 1: and some people want to hear more of it since

1347
01:09:19,000 --> 01:09:21,960
Speaker 1: I do. So we both do videos these voice everything,

1348
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:24,799
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's brutal. I like, I hold my iPhone.

1349
01:09:24,800 --> 01:09:27,320
Speaker 1: It's it's not the best sometimes, I'll admit, but I

1350
01:09:27,360 --> 01:09:30,280
Speaker 1: want your accent in it. Sometimes like it dulls your accent.

1351
01:09:30,320 --> 01:09:32,360
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's the music they but you

1352
01:09:32,400 --> 01:09:35,240
Speaker 1: need to play up that accent. We need to bring

1353
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 1: in more women. There's so many women that watch football.

1354
01:09:37,720 --> 01:09:39,200
Speaker 1: You know how much they'd like it better to watch

1355
01:09:39,240 --> 01:09:41,599
Speaker 1: those videos. If you got oh there's like this, I'm

1356
01:09:41,640 --> 01:09:45,280
Speaker 1: gonna believe everything that man says. It's wonderful. I'm telling

1357
01:09:45,320 --> 01:09:48,719
Speaker 1: you play that up. The real problem is that living

1358
01:09:48,800 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 1: here is radicating my accent. It's not voluntary, it's it's

1359
01:09:54,320 --> 01:09:57,559
Speaker 1: it's just a like I pick up and drop off

1360
01:09:57,640 --> 01:09:59,760
Speaker 1: accents depending on where I live. I've had like half

1361
01:09:59,760 --> 01:10:02,280
Speaker 1: a do some ridiculous ones in my life, and moving

1362
01:10:02,320 --> 01:10:05,600
Speaker 1: over here is losing the Irish one. I can't stop it.

1363
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:09,720
Speaker 1: Somebody pf F. We this c series of podcast a

1364
01:10:09,760 --> 01:10:13,400
Speaker 1: couple of years ago that We're History Fat Ones Talk

1365
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:16,519
Speaker 1: Neil Holmesbying got like the the origin story at a

1366
01:10:16,560 --> 01:10:19,280
Speaker 1: PFF and it's a different Sam on it. It's an

1367
01:10:19,320 --> 01:10:22,400
Speaker 1: Irish Sam that it doesn't exist anymore. The accent is dead,

1368
01:10:22,680 --> 01:10:27,040
Speaker 1: and it's I'm now somewhere over the mid Atlantic, even

1369
01:10:27,080 --> 01:10:29,280
Speaker 1: further over to the US. It's starting to worry me.

1370
01:10:29,760 --> 01:10:33,280
Speaker 1: That's the downside of living in Cincinnati. Like eventually everyone

1371
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,599
Speaker 1: starts sounding like the Westleying Brothers. That's that's that's why

1372
01:10:36,640 --> 01:10:40,120
Speaker 1: you're starting to sound like I'm a Midwesterner. I'm a Midwesterner.

1373
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:43,120
Speaker 1: I used to say pop it was a thing, but no,

1374
01:10:43,760 --> 01:10:45,360
Speaker 1: bring the Irish back. I'm gonna give you some like

1375
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: tapes to listen to you before you do it, because

1376
01:10:47,320 --> 01:10:49,720
Speaker 1: I'm like, I want his accent back. I think, give

1377
01:10:49,760 --> 01:10:51,560
Speaker 1: me the accent. I like the I did like the

1378
01:10:51,560 --> 01:10:53,320
Speaker 1: way you put it, though, Sam, because sometimes I feel

1379
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,519
Speaker 1: like that's what our podcast is is just like floats

1380
01:10:55,560 --> 01:10:59,719
Speaker 1: somewhere over the mid Atlantic, existing partly in this world,

1381
01:10:59,800 --> 01:11:02,320
Speaker 1: part lee in another world. So you are a natural

1382
01:11:02,400 --> 01:11:04,599
Speaker 1: fit for our show, and we thank you so much

1383
01:11:04,640 --> 01:11:09,000
Speaker 1: for coming on, buddy, and check out Sam's work on PFF.

1384
01:11:09,160 --> 01:11:13,800
Speaker 1: Check him out on Twitter at PF Underscore Sam, and

1385
01:11:14,120 --> 01:11:16,960
Speaker 1: keep up the good work. My friend, Thanks Gay, thanks

1386
01:11:17,000 --> 01:11:22,400
Speaker 1: for having me there, He goes. You know, I have

1387
01:11:23,600 --> 01:11:27,720
Speaker 1: I know what he's talking about too, because I um

1388
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:30,960
Speaker 1: grew up in the suburbs outside New York City. My

1389
01:11:31,080 --> 01:11:34,479
Speaker 1: father has a very um and people know from this

1390
01:11:34,520 --> 01:11:38,960
Speaker 1: podcast he has a real strong Bronx accent. Um, and

1391
01:11:39,160 --> 01:11:42,720
Speaker 1: my mother's from Queens and all my family UM that

1392
01:11:42,760 --> 01:11:44,800
Speaker 1: I grew up around, grew up in the cities, and

1393
01:11:44,880 --> 01:11:46,519
Speaker 1: even if you grew up in the suburbs, it's a

1394
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:49,880
Speaker 1: very strong New York accent. And I do find that

1395
01:11:49,920 --> 01:11:53,679
Speaker 1: it has maybe gotten toned down from eleven or twelve

1396
01:11:53,760 --> 01:11:56,920
Speaker 1: years in California. And then I'm I'm back here and

1397
01:11:56,960 --> 01:12:00,479
Speaker 1: I'm throwing bags, and I'm on my seventh Tito at

1398
01:12:00,479 --> 01:12:02,840
Speaker 1: one am down here at the Jersey Shore. All of

1399
01:12:02,880 --> 01:12:05,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, you know, I start to hit talk a

1400
01:12:05,200 --> 01:12:07,360
Speaker 1: little bit or something. I gave Wess a lot of

1401
01:12:07,560 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: humor when I was talking about a an ex girlfriend

1402
01:12:10,360 --> 01:12:12,120
Speaker 1: in my life who had moved on and I said

1403
01:12:12,160 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: Cara got married. That really gave him. He got a

1404
01:12:15,120 --> 01:12:16,880
Speaker 1: kick out of that. He said, what did you just

1405
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:21,240
Speaker 1: say is that Cara got married? Whoka Apparently there's something.

1406
01:12:21,280 --> 01:12:23,839
Speaker 1: I'm glad Mine's got Mom. Can we go to the cottage?

1407
01:12:23,840 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 1: It ain't a pop like Midwestern accents are awful, So

1408
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:29,720
Speaker 1: I'm glad Mines smoothed out. I mean, Boston took it

1409
01:12:29,760 --> 01:12:31,360
Speaker 1: away that I haven't lived in Michigan. I don't know

1410
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:34,320
Speaker 1: what's going on with Greg because like Greg grew up

1411
01:12:34,320 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: in New England and that is famously um and then

1412
01:12:37,920 --> 01:12:42,200
Speaker 1: this sounds negative, harsh Western masses like its own little farmland.

1413
01:12:42,200 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 1: It's flat. When I lived in New Orleans, though, I

1414
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:46,599
Speaker 1: did find myself talking slower. It's not like I put

1415
01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:49,280
Speaker 1: on an accent. But if you just take Southern accent,

1416
01:12:49,400 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: if you just slow down how fast you talk by

1417
01:12:52,840 --> 01:12:55,120
Speaker 1: that was? That was all the scissor if you were

1418
01:12:55,200 --> 01:12:57,839
Speaker 1: drinking down there at a sty from I didn't know it, scissor,

1419
01:12:59,160 --> 01:13:04,400
Speaker 1: I googled it. Um. That was good, Sam's really good.

1420
01:13:04,560 --> 01:13:07,160
Speaker 1: That was. That was a good talk. Uh and uh

1421
01:13:07,320 --> 01:13:09,280
Speaker 1: if you haven't checked out that top fifty, it's great,

1422
01:13:09,400 --> 01:13:12,120
Speaker 1: great summertime reading, even if you don't agree with the

1423
01:13:12,120 --> 01:13:14,920
Speaker 1: PFF stuff. And that was um. West is coming up

1424
01:13:14,920 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: a lot in today's show, and that's always a good

1425
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,760
Speaker 1: things used to be very vocal about certain disagreements he

1426
01:13:19,800 --> 01:13:22,679
Speaker 1: had with UM how they went about their grading system.

1427
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:25,880
Speaker 1: But it's just I think the league is more fun

1428
01:13:25,920 --> 01:13:28,680
Speaker 1: when you have these grades, especially as he said, for

1429
01:13:28,720 --> 01:13:33,040
Speaker 1: like interior alignment, and really anybody on defense. Honestly, I

1430
01:13:33,040 --> 01:13:35,920
Speaker 1: mean the offense. There you have those counting stats that

1431
01:13:36,000 --> 01:13:38,559
Speaker 1: make it easier for the quarterbacks, running backs in the

1432
01:13:38,600 --> 01:13:41,120
Speaker 1: wide receiver, the tight ends. But I feel like that's

1433
01:13:41,120 --> 01:13:43,400
Speaker 1: where it's helped me as like a football fan the most,

1434
01:13:43,479 --> 01:13:46,400
Speaker 1: when you you can kind of know more about somebody

1435
01:13:46,400 --> 01:13:49,240
Speaker 1: in the secondary or someone in the front seven, and

1436
01:13:49,240 --> 01:13:51,240
Speaker 1: obviously the offensive line, which to me is like the

1437
01:13:51,280 --> 01:13:54,599
Speaker 1: most guarded mystery and all of professional sports, like how

1438
01:13:54,680 --> 01:13:57,640
Speaker 1: is it actually played, who's good, who's not? UM so

1439
01:13:57,720 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: much technical knowledge is necessary, so even if people don't

1440
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:03,960
Speaker 1: always agree with them, it's good to see that they

1441
01:14:04,000 --> 01:14:06,800
Speaker 1: have this dedicated team putting in the work, and Collinsworth

1442
01:14:06,840 --> 01:14:08,519
Speaker 1: has kind of the face of it gives them a

1443
01:14:08,520 --> 01:14:12,080
Speaker 1: lot of Grammy toss. I'm having a flashback to an

1444
01:14:12,080 --> 01:14:15,759
Speaker 1: episode where we where we did have someone from PFF

1445
01:14:15,840 --> 01:14:18,120
Speaker 1: and I'm not sure who was, like four years ago,

1446
01:14:18,160 --> 01:14:20,760
Speaker 1: and West just like wanted to grill him about like

1447
01:14:20,840 --> 01:14:23,680
Speaker 1: ben hart Sock being there number one. Remember that it

1448
01:14:23,800 --> 01:14:28,439
Speaker 1: almost got a little awkward. It's probably I remember that.

1449
01:14:28,560 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: I have vague memories of that. Um, alright, good stuff, Cynthia.

1450
01:14:32,360 --> 01:14:35,680
Speaker 1: You've said it all I mean, and I'm glad I

1451
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,120
Speaker 1: got it off my chest. About the supercomputer, I think

1452
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:43,840
Speaker 1: hardware is important, not just software, and it's it's it's

1453
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:47,320
Speaker 1: important to have the big piece of machinery. And even

1454
01:14:47,360 --> 01:14:49,760
Speaker 1: if there's a hollow inside, almost like a TV prop,

1455
01:14:50,200 --> 01:14:51,479
Speaker 1: if you just had that and then you had that

1456
01:14:51,520 --> 01:14:53,479
Speaker 1: in the background, we did your TV hits and it's

1457
01:14:53,520 --> 01:14:56,160
Speaker 1: lit in a certain way that's imposing. I'm telling you

1458
01:14:56,160 --> 01:14:58,400
Speaker 1: your career is on fire, Cynthia right now. But you'd

1459
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,320
Speaker 1: be the biggest name in sports media if you just

1460
01:15:01,479 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 1: have a prop supercomputer in the background. I'll call it

1461
01:15:05,680 --> 01:15:08,920
Speaker 1: the hands Who's five thousand? Um? You know you know

1462
01:15:08,960 --> 01:15:12,720
Speaker 1: what's actually like really interesting? UM. So I wear I

1463
01:15:12,960 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 1: don't need glasses, but I wear them for the UV

1464
01:15:15,040 --> 01:15:17,240
Speaker 1: filter for my because I look at a screen for

1465
01:15:17,240 --> 01:15:20,240
Speaker 1: a really long time. And not even kidding, Like starting

1466
01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:21,680
Speaker 1: off any of my career, peop were like, can you

1467
01:15:21,720 --> 01:15:26,680
Speaker 1: wear your glass or it makes you look smarter? A

1468
01:15:26,720 --> 01:15:28,360
Speaker 1: lot of people. A lot of people do that move

1469
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:34,800
Speaker 1: thought right, shows up with the glasses and I would

1470
01:15:34,800 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: wear them even more if it wasn't a sunny outside

1471
01:15:37,320 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 1: all the time. It feels good. Alright, thank you, Cynthia.

1472
01:15:42,640 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 1: Enjoy Montana. Uh, in the in the lake, which, as

1473
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:49,080
Speaker 1: I understand, is very large. I believe that was the

1474
01:15:49,160 --> 01:15:51,240
Speaker 1: data point you had on it. Big lake, big sky,

1475
01:15:51,520 --> 01:15:53,720
Speaker 1: All the things are big here in Montana. Enjoy it.

1476
01:15:53,800 --> 01:15:55,719
Speaker 1: I will enjoy my final day here on the shore

1477
01:15:55,800 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 1: with the family. Greg. I will. I won't see you

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01:15:59,000 --> 01:16:00,639
Speaker 1: in l A, but we'll be back in the same

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01:16:01,360 --> 01:16:05,439
Speaker 1: city very soon, and that that will feel close that

1480
01:16:05,560 --> 01:16:07,280
Speaker 1: I feel like that would be going to get together.

1481
01:16:07,360 --> 01:16:09,719
Speaker 1: You know, we we should have an around the NFL

1482
01:16:10,360 --> 01:16:14,040
Speaker 1: preseason before the seasons summit when Marcus back and Ricky

1483
01:16:14,080 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: when can coordinated off. Yeah, well, I also know that

1484
01:16:19,439 --> 01:16:21,560
Speaker 1: now it's only your second appearance, Cynthia, I don't know

1485
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:24,759
Speaker 1: if you're making this. Before the show started, Cynthia mentioned

1486
01:16:24,760 --> 01:16:26,559
Speaker 1: that she had gotten together with someone that works in

1487
01:16:26,560 --> 01:16:28,160
Speaker 1: the league and that person went out of their way

1488
01:16:28,200 --> 01:16:31,280
Speaker 1: to say that they were friends with Greg and then uh,

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01:16:31,280 --> 01:16:33,400
Speaker 1: Cynthia was like, oh yeah, he said he's friends with you,

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01:16:33,439 --> 01:16:35,400
Speaker 1: and then Greg like went out of his way when

1491
01:16:35,439 --> 01:16:38,360
Speaker 1: I asked, oh, you guys like personal friends, He's like, oh, yeah,

1492
01:16:38,400 --> 01:16:40,360
Speaker 1: I'm closer to him than I am to you. What

1493
01:16:40,479 --> 01:16:42,800
Speaker 1: I was like, why was that is such a greg answer?

1494
01:16:42,880 --> 01:16:46,280
Speaker 1: So necessary to put it that way to rank things? Yes, No,

1495
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,720
Speaker 1: that's not what I meant. He was saying, do you

1496
01:16:48,800 --> 01:16:50,920
Speaker 1: do you ever like talk on a personal basis? And

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01:16:50,960 --> 01:16:53,760
Speaker 1: I was just saying, like, yes, probably, probably so more

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01:16:53,960 --> 01:16:56,559
Speaker 1: just like you know, on the I don't talk with

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01:16:56,640 --> 01:16:59,080
Speaker 1: many people on the phone in my life, very few.

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01:16:59,120 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 1: I would say, that's one. Oh you guys just talking

1501
01:17:01,280 --> 01:17:05,080
Speaker 1: the phone, but you tall on the phone occasionally, how

1502
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: that's like really old, pretty occasional, but still even any

1503
01:17:09,600 --> 01:17:12,240
Speaker 1: because you've got a tight circle you you've said, it's

1504
01:17:12,240 --> 01:17:14,760
Speaker 1: not like you have a like you you're you're a

1505
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 1: very you're gregarious guy and if you're in the right mood,

1506
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:20,600
Speaker 1: but you don't have like a huge friendship group. I

1507
01:17:20,600 --> 01:17:23,880
Speaker 1: would say it's pretty tight. And Mark and I hope

1508
01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: to be in it one day. I guess that's maybe

1509
01:17:28,720 --> 01:17:32,320
Speaker 1: that's wrong with me, But we've been through a lot.

1510
01:17:32,920 --> 01:17:36,679
Speaker 1: You know that we're closer than you know some rando.

1511
01:17:36,800 --> 01:17:40,439
Speaker 1: That's in the industry that I mean, we just just

1512
01:17:40,560 --> 01:17:42,960
Speaker 1: the time. Just think about the time we've spent on

1513
01:17:43,000 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: air together, like on this podcast for real. But I mean,

1514
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 1: I never feel more that can't be like, hey, we've

1515
01:17:52,760 --> 01:17:57,240
Speaker 1: done a lot of shows together, man, like the world.

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01:17:57,320 --> 01:17:59,479
Speaker 1: At some level it does count though, because we've both

1517
01:17:59,479 --> 01:18:01,559
Speaker 1: been getting aid by a company at the same time

1518
01:18:01,840 --> 01:18:05,680
Speaker 1: a lot. It's like some of the most meaningful, um well,

1519
01:18:05,720 --> 01:18:08,720
Speaker 1: certainly the most meaningful work experiences we I think we've

1520
01:18:09,320 --> 01:18:14,040
Speaker 1: Sthy has her head down texting, I was, I was.

1521
01:18:14,360 --> 01:18:16,920
Speaker 1: It is family business. You're right, Okay, Well, I just

1522
01:18:17,320 --> 01:18:20,960
Speaker 1: this is an unnecessarily website keeps tweeting at me, and

1523
01:18:20,960 --> 01:18:22,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what they're saying. It's I got to

1524
01:18:22,600 --> 01:18:26,080
Speaker 1: learn German. I guess all right, that's it. Thank you, Cynthia,

1525
01:18:26,200 --> 01:18:29,120
Speaker 1: We love you, Stay head. The signing off for the

1526
01:18:29,160 --> 01:18:33,000
Speaker 1: Old Boss Ricky Hollywood and Sam monson the Little Thing

1527
01:18:33,040 --> 01:18:38,840
Speaker 1: Irish Brogue until I don't know need the fall next week.

1528
01:18:46,600 --> 01:18:50,880
Speaker 1: Joe Mantanga, No, Joe Montana was not in the rat back.

1529
01:18:51,560 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: What are you talking about? Oh my god, that's the

1530
01:18:58,160 --> 01:19:04,200
Speaker 1: guy who's married to m the lady I realized who's

1531
01:19:04,240 --> 01:19:08,880
Speaker 1: the final of the rat fact Joe I don't know

1532
01:19:10,040 --> 01:19:13,000
Speaker 1: as good as I don't know Frank Sinatra, Dean Martin,

1533
01:19:13,200 --> 01:19:19,679
Speaker 1: Sammy Davis Jr. Peter Lawford and Joey Bishop. Joey Bishop

1534
01:19:19,760 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 1: was sent packing because he fell out with Sinatra. You

1535
01:19:25,720 --> 01:19:26,559
Speaker 1: sent rap packing