WEBVTT - Episode 436: Reacting To The Mariners Losing The Series To The Dodgers + Mailbag

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to episode number four thirty six of the Marine

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<v Speaker 1>up and answer your best listener questions. Will also react

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<v Speaker 1>to the Mariners losing two of three to the Dodgers.

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<v Speaker 1>episode of the Marine Layer Podcast, part of the Just

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<v Speaker 1>Baseball podcast Network, recording here on Thursday evening, July thirtieth.

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<v Speaker 1>While the season's over.

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<v Speaker 2>We're way overdue for one. And honestly, I don't like

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<v Speaker 2>your delivery on that. That was pretty blam. That was flat.

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<v Speaker 2>I thought you were gonna bring it in and say,

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<v Speaker 2>like recording here on Thursday evening, July thirtieth, and the

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<v Speaker 2>season's over.

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<v Speaker 1>I was just blunting to the point, do the people

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<v Speaker 1>need me to dress up the fact that the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>season does in fact seem trending towards over.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean like, I don't know what we have to

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<v Speaker 2>keep continuing to say. I don't know what we can

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<v Speaker 2>keep continuing to say until something changes. I think that's

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<v Speaker 2>the over overarching storyline here is they have got to

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<v Speaker 2>shake something up. Man. Through four months, it is clear

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<v Speaker 2>as day that this is not working. None of it

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<v Speaker 2>is working. Brian Wu is uncompetitive in every road start,

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<v Speaker 2>offense is bad, Cal's still not hitting, Naylor's still not hitting.

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<v Speaker 2>Julio had hit his hot streak and he's still hovering

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<v Speaker 2>around a barely above league average hitter. Like, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know what we have to keep saying, Like.

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<v Speaker 1>The last wrote, sorry, no Eten finished well, And I.

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<v Speaker 2>Was just gonna say, And obviously that Dodger series was

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<v Speaker 2>as about as predictable as you can get. Credit to

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<v Speaker 2>them for winning the one game, but I've said it

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<v Speaker 2>a couple times now. This week they had to play

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<v Speaker 2>their one hundredth percentile outcome game as an offense to

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<v Speaker 2>win by ninety feet in one game against the best

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<v Speaker 2>team in baseball, in a game that almost was blown,

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<v Speaker 2>and again in a game that the Dodgers very easily

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<v Speaker 2>could have won. It took the absolute maximum effort out

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<v Speaker 2>of the Mariners offense to win that game, and then

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<v Speaker 2>the next two they were uncompetitive, so pretty predictable.

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<v Speaker 1>Adam Jude wrote a great story postgame here on Thursday

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<v Speaker 1>and highlighted it in his lead that the Mariners were

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<v Speaker 1>eight outs away from playing this Dodgers team in that stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>And to think of how much has changed in eight

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<v Speaker 1>months between these two franch is that were eight outs

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<v Speaker 1>for matching up in the World Series, and then watching

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<v Speaker 1>what we watched this week, just two different leagues of baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>Team Like we said this going into the series, and

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<v Speaker 1>we'll say it again. The Dodger said Kyle Tucker batting

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<v Speaker 1>seventh and taoscar Hernandez batting eighth, that that's just a

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<v Speaker 1>different league of baseball roster. The Mariners, on the other side,

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<v Speaker 1>had those two spots reserved for Rob Refsnyder, Slash, Luke

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<v Speaker 1>Rayley and Weston Wilson. Massive difference TA Oscar Hernandez hit

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<v Speaker 1>clean up for the Mariners.

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<v Speaker 2>Are we in the trust tree here? We usually are

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<v Speaker 2>gonna I'm gonna get vulnerable for a second here on

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<v Speaker 2>the pod. I'm mad enough to admit this to our fans.

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<v Speaker 2>I was rooting for Kyle Tucker to homer against the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners in this series. It didn't happen, but I was

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<v Speaker 2>rooting for it.

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<v Speaker 1>But as our Dodger friends call him, Kyle Sucker didn't

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<v Speaker 1>really do that much.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Dodger fans have not been fans of my

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<v Speaker 2>guy through the first year of the contract. It has

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<v Speaker 2>been a tough go. I would still take it on

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners in a heartbeat.

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<v Speaker 1>But oh, it's just what the Mariner's kneed. Dog another

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<v Speaker 1>underperforming left handed hitter making too much money.

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<v Speaker 2>I want them, I still want them. Okay. I was

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<v Speaker 2>rooting for him to homer against the Mariners anyway, Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>that is what I said on Tuesday night, even when

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners won. And look, I get it. We never

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<v Speaker 2>tell people how to fan. We say that all the time.

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<v Speaker 2>People were excited and they were fired up after the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners beat the Dodgers on Tuesday, and they were calling

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<v Speaker 2>it the win of the year, and maybe it was,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were obviously hoping it was gonna spark something.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sitting there and saying, my biggest takeaway from that

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<v Speaker 2>game is, look at how much effort it took the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners to win that one game and doing so barely,

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<v Speaker 2>like by the skin of their teeth. These two teams

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<v Speaker 2>are not even in the same stratosphere in terms of talent.

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<v Speaker 2>They like, they don't even line up, they don't compare.

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<v Speaker 2>So for the two teams that had the highest World

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<v Speaker 2>Series odds in Baseball going into the season, it's just

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<v Speaker 2>night and day. Man, that wasn't the Dodgers' best game

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<v Speaker 2>of the year. That wasn't even the best Dodgers team

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<v Speaker 2>you could put out there. They didn't have Will Smith,

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners didn't have to face Yamamoto in this series.

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<v Speaker 2>Blake Snell and Tyler Glass now are still hurt, and

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<v Speaker 2>the Mariners just barely hung on to win that game

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<v Speaker 2>on Tuesday, and then Wednesday and Thursday they're uncompetitive and

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<v Speaker 2>even without show Hey on Thursday, they basically got run

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<v Speaker 2>out of the building. It's just not even the same

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<v Speaker 2>stratosphere of talent.

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<v Speaker 1>And what we said after the two wins on this

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners road chap where we wanted to see something else

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<v Speaker 1>after that, to show that it's not a total one off,

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<v Speaker 1>And the Mariners just proved us right so much that

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<v Speaker 1>right after they had these huge swings, which when I

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<v Speaker 1>say they had these huge swings, dom Kinzone won the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners two games on this road trip. Dom Canzone's the

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<v Speaker 1>reason the Mariners aren't heading back to Seattle in a

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<v Speaker 1>true five alarm fun as bad as you think it is,

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<v Speaker 1>if they had gotten swept in Texas and swept in

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<v Speaker 1>Los Angeles, there would be like a like a five

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<v Speaker 1>legit five alarm fire heading back to Seattle. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>dom Canzone made sure that didn't really happen. We wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to see after those games. Okay, can you show like

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<v Speaker 1>something right after this, like make this translate from one

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<v Speaker 1>game to the next. And the Mariners in each of

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<v Speaker 1>the two games following those wins put out the most

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<v Speaker 1>lifeless offensive performances you could possibly think of, and then

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<v Speaker 1>they end up losing those games, and they end up

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<v Speaker 1>losing five of the seven games on this road trip.

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<v Speaker 1>You also mention this in your reaction to the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>are no longer flip flopping series. They're just straight up

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<v Speaker 1>now losing a bunch of series. Five out of the

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<v Speaker 1>last six series they've lost.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not competitive. It's no longer the conversation of just

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<v Speaker 2>hovering around five hundred of win the series, lose the

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<v Speaker 2>next win a series, lose the next. Maybe they win

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<v Speaker 2>two series and they lose two series. No, they've lost

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<v Speaker 2>the series two, the Marlins, the Rays, they beat the

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<v Speaker 2>Giants barely, barely, thank you, Cole Young, lost to the Reds,

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<v Speaker 2>lost to the Rangers. Now lost to the Dodgers, and

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<v Speaker 2>you know what's coming in August in terms of their schedule.

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<v Speaker 2>How in the world do they dig themselves out of.

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<v Speaker 1>This drastic change? But is that drastic change gonna come?

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know as of right now, I don't think so.

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<v Speaker 1>There's no trade that's gonna make a drastic change. Like

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<v Speaker 1>the drastic change is either gonna come via subtraction from

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<v Speaker 1>something on the major league roster, something in this organization,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's gonna be drastic change with the players turning

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<v Speaker 1>it around. But neither of those things have been given

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<v Speaker 1>any indication that that's actually gonna happen. So I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>an I have no clue. Here's a fun fact. Do

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<v Speaker 1>you want to guess the last road series the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>want person perspective?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I can do this. The last road series the

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<v Speaker 2>Mariners won. I mean, they obviously lost the two series

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<v Speaker 2>in Florida. They've lost the two series on this road trip.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going all the way back to the start of

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<v Speaker 2>the month. They beat the Blue Jays in a series

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<v Speaker 2>that was at home. Before that, they were where Anaheim maybe.

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<v Speaker 1>No way farther back.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, Okay, why don't you just tell me.

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<v Speaker 1>That A's series that started the eight game win streak

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<v Speaker 1>was the last road series they won. No, no, it

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<v Speaker 1>was no, yeah, that's that was the last one. They

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<v Speaker 1>swept the Ace the first three wins of an eight

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<v Speaker 1>game win streak. That was the last time they beat

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<v Speaker 1>a team in a series on the road. They have

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<v Speaker 1>one split in that stretch. Besides that, they've lost every

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<v Speaker 1>single series.

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<v Speaker 2>That just can't be real. I mean, brother, that was

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<v Speaker 2>like mid to late May.

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<v Speaker 1>That was two months ago, over two months ago.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, good lord, I'm looking at it right now. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you're a right, yeah. How is that possible?

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<v Speaker 1>Because the Mariners over that two month stretch have the

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<v Speaker 1>worst offense in baseball, and this rotation is pitched significantly

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<v Speaker 1>worse on the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh wait, No, I was about to say you

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<v Speaker 2>were wrong. No, I was gonna say they won the

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<v Speaker 2>Oriole Series. No, they split it, You're right, split it.

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<v Speaker 1>Nope.

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<v Speaker 2>Anyways, keep going, they had a chance to win that series. No,

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<v Speaker 2>keep going, nope.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and the rotation has been terrible on the road.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not even bad they've been They've been terrible on

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<v Speaker 1>the road.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Oh man, And we should be sitting here four

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<v Speaker 2>days ahead of the trade deadline just talking about how

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<v Speaker 2>do you take this team over the top, how do

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<v Speaker 2>you go from good to great? How do you make

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<v Speaker 2>yourselves even more of a World Series contender? Instead? Right now,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't have any clue what they're gonna do. And

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<v Speaker 2>that's not just the market being bad, but it's how

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<v Speaker 2>much does this team truly go off? I know Adam

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<v Speaker 2>Jude on Wednesday with Us said they're gonna try to

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<v Speaker 2>be all in. And if you haven't listened to Wednesday's

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<v Speaker 2>episode with Adam you should. It's a really good episode

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<v Speaker 2>and he provides some great insight as always. But I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, man, I just can't sit here and see

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<v Speaker 2>them being ultra aggressive at the deadline for a team

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<v Speaker 2>that's just not showing you much life.

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<v Speaker 1>Lucky for them, though, there's not really gonna be the

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity to be ultra aggressive. Who who qualifies on this

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<v Speaker 1>deadline of being as being ultra aggressive?

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, there's one guy, and he's about to be

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<v Speaker 2>a Dodger. It's Trek Schoole, Arrek Schooble.

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<v Speaker 1>The only team that's gonna trade the packet, that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of package for Terrek School is gonna be the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 1>because everyone else knows they can't re sign him, but

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<v Speaker 1>the Dodgers do so they're like, all right, we'll give

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<v Speaker 1>you good prospects for him, sure, right. The other team,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rays and the Brewers, like sorry, man, like, we

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<v Speaker 1>can't mortgage our future for someone who's gonna be here

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<v Speaker 1>two months. And it would be the same thing with

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners. They wouldn't.

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<v Speaker 2>They wouldn't, right, No, I mean, is there anything else

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<v Speaker 2>to even say from this series? It's just the same

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<v Speaker 2>old story other than that.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, there is. There's something that gets brought

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<v Speaker 1>to light at the end of today, where like this

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<v Speaker 1>is such a damning stat of like where the Mariners

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<v Speaker 1>are this season. It kind of makes sense why the

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<v Speaker 1>Mariners are in this spot. There's clearly a number of factors.

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<v Speaker 1>But entering this season, I mean there's a cal Rawley

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<v Speaker 1>was clearly the best player on the Mariners and Brian

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<v Speaker 1>Wu was the Mariner's best pitcher. This year, Brian was

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<v Speaker 1>now fifty seventh out of sixty two qualified starting pitchers

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<v Speaker 1>in e RA. Do I need to say that again?

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<v Speaker 1>Fifty seventh out of sixty two. Cal Rawley by WRC

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<v Speaker 1>plus is currently one hundred and seventy third out of

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<v Speaker 1>one hundred and seventy six among players with three hundred

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<v Speaker 1>played appearances by WRC plus. So your best pitch sure

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<v Speaker 1>is fifty seventh out of sixty two. Your best hitter

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<v Speaker 1>is one hundred and seventy third out of one hundred

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<v Speaker 1>and seventy six. How is it possible to do anything?

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<v Speaker 1>It's not?

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<v Speaker 2>Again, what have I said or what have we said

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<v Speaker 2>for weeks? Now? If Cal doesn't turn this around, they're

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<v Speaker 2>not going to the playoffs. Now, I mean this hinges

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<v Speaker 2>on him and Julio and Naylor, but certainly Cal and

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<v Speaker 2>if he doesn't turn it around, they're just not going anywhere.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, this is I should just say shout

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<v Speaker 2>out to our friend Jage for tweeting that out and

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<v Speaker 2>because that's him that dug that out, So I just

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to make sure like we say shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>him for that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I just want to say this. I think We've

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<v Speaker 1>reached the point of the season where I'm just waiting

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<v Speaker 1>for the Mariners to prove us wrong, because the collective

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<v Speaker 1>sentiment around the fan bases is that this team is

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<v Speaker 1>going to miss the playoffs now, and this team is

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<v Speaker 1>going to go down as one of the most disappointing,

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<v Speaker 1>if not the most disappointing team in Mariners franchise history.

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<v Speaker 1>I would really really love for them to prove us

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<v Speaker 1>wrong because we just unfortunately have no evidence right now

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<v Speaker 1>to suggest otherwise. You could. You could come to me

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<v Speaker 1>and say, TJ, like sometimes baseball happens, you just turn

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<v Speaker 1>it around. That's totally right, But there's just no evidence

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<v Speaker 1>that that's gonna happen right now. Given the performance we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen from the Mariners. There's no there's little evidence this

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<v Speaker 1>season that Brian wu is gonna drastically turn it around

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<v Speaker 1>on the road enough to be not like the worst

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<v Speaker 1>pitcher in baseball on the road. There's unfortunately not much

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<v Speaker 1>evidence this season that cal Rally's gonna go from being

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<v Speaker 1>one of the worst hitters in baseball to one of

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<v Speaker 1>the best hitters in baseball. Again, there's no evidence that

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<v Speaker 1>Dan Wilson's decision making is going to improve and help

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<v Speaker 1>this team actively win games.

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<v Speaker 2>Now what am I missing here?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm just like, at some point, I just I wish

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<v Speaker 1>they would prove us wrong in some aspect, and I

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<v Speaker 1>just cannot find a way that they're actually gonna do that.

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<v Speaker 1>And it is really frustrating that we have all this

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<v Speaker 1>hype as Mariners fans. We finally we finally get a

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<v Speaker 1>Game seven of the ALCS. We go into this next season,

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<v Speaker 1>we have the second best World Series odds, everything's lined up,

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<v Speaker 1>you bring back Naylor, you have a sixty home run catcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Everything is supposed to be right, and then they just

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<v Speaker 1>shit on it.

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<v Speaker 3>Man.

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<v Speaker 2>It's I mean, dude, it makes you rip your hair out.

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<v Speaker 2>By the way, speaking of Dan Wilson, we'll weave it

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<v Speaker 2>into the mailbag questions because I think it fits in

0:14:29.680 --> 0:14:32.640
<v Speaker 2>with one or two of them. Jeff Passen did not

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<v Speaker 2>hold back when he was talking about Dan Wilson this

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<v Speaker 2>week when he was on with Brocken Salk. I have

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit of the audio. I'll play a little

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<v Speaker 2>small bit of it when it gets weaved into the mailbag.

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<v Speaker 2>But it's just again, same old stories. Man, talk about

0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Dan all the time, We talk about the offense all

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<v Speaker 2>the time, We talk about the lack of consistency with

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<v Speaker 2>runners in scoring position all the time. I mean, against

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<v Speaker 2>the issues against lefties all the time. I guess credit

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<v Speaker 2>to them for adding to Robleski a bit, who who

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<v Speaker 2>was an All Star this year on Tuesday. Then they

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<v Speaker 2>turn around against Eric Lawer and do nothing. They have

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<v Speaker 2>one hit against Eric Lawer.

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<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Just prove us wrong, man, because otherwise people have their mindset,

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<v Speaker 1>the fan base has their mindset that you're going to

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<v Speaker 1>miss the playoffs. Yeah, and you're gonna be disappointing across

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<v Speaker 1>the board, correct, Like that's that's that's just how it

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<v Speaker 1>is right now. And I'm I'm really frustrated. I'm really

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<v Speaker 1>frustrated watching this team. And man, like we said at

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<v Speaker 1>the beginning of this road trip, it's like, can you please,

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<v Speaker 1>can you please? Just knowing where you are that you've

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<v Speaker 1>lost first place, you understand what's in front of you.

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<v Speaker 1>Just show something, right, just show something, And they couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>even do that. It just went exactly how we expect it.

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<v Speaker 1>The only difference is they they won two games. They

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<v Speaker 1>went two and five on the road trip instead of

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<v Speaker 1>going oh and seven, big whoop.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that terrible road trip. It was an awful road trip.

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<v Speaker 2>Just because they won two games doesn't make it any

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of salvageable road trip. It wasn't. And by

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<v Speaker 2>the way, before we get to the mailbag, let me

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<v Speaker 2>get out of this. Let me get out ahead of this.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The Twins and the Tigers are no world beaters of

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<v Speaker 2>baseball teams. They've been borderline better than the Mariners. The

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<v Speaker 2>Twins have been by record, but neither of these teams

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<v Speaker 2>are world beaters. So let me get out ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>this in advance and say this. If the Mariners go

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<v Speaker 2>four and two in their next six games, I am

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<v Speaker 2>buying it. Like I am buying it. It'll be a start.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm not very convinced they're going to go four

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<v Speaker 2>and two in their next six games. But going and

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<v Speaker 2>beating those two teams, now, not with everything you got

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<v Speaker 2>coming up on your schedule, you got to go prove

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<v Speaker 2>something against the teams that actually have playoff aspirations and

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<v Speaker 2>like world series aspirations to get me to say, oh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>this team's really figured something out, winning series at home

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<v Speaker 2>against the Twins and the Times ain't gonna cut it

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<v Speaker 2>for me.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take it. It's a start, But then we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>need six more of those.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah again, Rays, Astros, Yankees, Brewers, Phillies, Cubs like you

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<v Speaker 2>have all those teams in August. So let me say

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<v Speaker 2>that again. I agree with you that it is a

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<v Speaker 2>start if they go four and two, and again I'm

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<v Speaker 2>not really convinced they will, but if they do, it

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<v Speaker 2>is a mere start. It is not a spark plug.

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<v Speaker 2>It is not a jump start like it is a

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<v Speaker 2>mer like. Okay, now the engine's been very slightly repped up.

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<v Speaker 2>What are you gonna do against all the actual good teams?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me throw this note out here before we get

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<v Speaker 1>into the mailbag. A lot of really good mailbag questions

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<v Speaker 1>highlighting what will be on Monday. So here's the recording

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<v Speaker 1>schedule for this weekend. We are not gonna have an

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<v Speaker 1>episode out Monday morning, unless, of course, there's a trade

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<v Speaker 1>Sunday night in which case there will be an episode

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<v Speaker 1>out Monday morning. Law and I are gonna wait to

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<v Speaker 1>lease our Monday podcast until the afternoon after the deadline,

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<v Speaker 1>So we'll tape as soon as the deadline is over

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<v Speaker 1>and to give our reaction, and then we'll put it

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<v Speaker 1>out right after that. So just if you're driving to

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<v Speaker 1>work on Monday and you don't see a podcast, we're

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<v Speaker 1>still here. We st are still doing the podcast, but

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<v Speaker 1>it just won't be that morning. It will still be

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<v Speaker 1>after the deadline. But if there's a big trade for

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<v Speaker 1>the Mariners, we're gonna be right here and taping just

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<v Speaker 1>for you.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, we'll put out a reminder on social media on

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<v Speaker 2>Sunday too about it. But the thought process is there's

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<v Speaker 2>just not much of a point for us to put

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<v Speaker 2>out an episode Monday morning when Monday's obviously and often

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest day of the trade deadline with trades going

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<v Speaker 2>left and right, when the Mariners could make more moves.

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<v Speaker 2>So I think the easiest thing to do is, as

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<v Speaker 2>TJ said, unless there is a very very marquee trade,

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<v Speaker 2>the easiest thing to do here is just record when

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<v Speaker 2>it's all over, put it out late Monday afternoon or

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<v Speaker 2>Monday evening for you guys, and that will be the

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<v Speaker 2>Monday episode, just a few hours delayed so we can

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<v Speaker 2>cap everything.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, we got a great mailbag to get to.

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<v Speaker 2>have to pick one guy to be in your lineup.

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<v Speaker 2>Player one hit three hundred. He had an eight to

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<v Speaker 2>forty ops and a one forty one WRC plus, forty

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<v Speaker 2>one percent better than the league average. Player two hit

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<v Speaker 1>Layer pod. Christian starts us off on Patreon and he asks,

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<v Speaker 1>do both of you guys feel like as of now,

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<v Speaker 1>can Zone deserves a spot in the lineup every single

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<v Speaker 1>day lefties or righty's?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yes. I don't even think this is a question.

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<v Speaker 2>I know it's still a somewhat small sample for cam

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<v Speaker 2>Zone against lefties, but in that sample he is now

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<v Speaker 2>opsing ten sixty against left handed pitching. He's got four bombs.

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<v Speaker 2>He is absolutely mashing. You saw it against the Dodgers

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<v Speaker 2>here and on Tuesday, you saw it in Texas. You've

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<v Speaker 2>seen it over the weeks. Now, yes, absolutely, he should

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<v Speaker 2>be in there every day.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, he's not only the best hitter in his

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<v Speaker 1>forty something played appearances against lefties on this Mariners roster.

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<v Speaker 1>Against lefties by far, he has a one ninety eight

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<v Speaker 1>WORC plus and first on this roster Julio's the next

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<v Speaker 1>best at one thirty nine. That's a fifty nine point

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<v Speaker 1>gap between first and second against lefties. You know how

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<v Speaker 1>we all think like Randy Roserain is the guy who's

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<v Speaker 1>like he stays in the lineup every day, he's gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hit lefties. Yeah, Yeah, can Zone by WORC plus is

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<v Speaker 1>ninety eight points in front of Randy this year agains.

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<v Speaker 2>Celebrities ninety eight percent. That's crazy. Now ninety eight percent

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of Randy.

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<v Speaker 1>He's almost twice as good as Randy rose Rain against

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<v Speaker 1>lefties this year.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, small sample, but he's crushing it. Man. Yes, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't even think this is much of a question that

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<v Speaker 2>he's got to be in there every day at this point.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean again, her will answer this again later in

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<v Speaker 1>this mail bag because someone asked us this. But can

0:22:26.320 --> 0:22:29.400
<v Speaker 1>Zone is inking himself a permanent spawn in this Mariners

0:22:29.480 --> 0:22:32.919
<v Speaker 1>lineup in the future, like going forward, this is your

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<v Speaker 1>DH He's going to be in there every single day,

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<v Speaker 1>I think, yeah, going forward.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean unless this doesn't sustain for whatever reason and

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<v Speaker 2>come next year something changes and drops off, or in

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<v Speaker 2>two years something drops off. Yes, absolutely, he'll be in

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<v Speaker 2>there every day.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, going into this season, the thought was,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, I mean, dom Canzone crushes righty fastballs, is

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<v Speaker 1>going to be able to evolve from that and hit

0:22:58.359 --> 0:23:01.639
<v Speaker 1>lefties and righty's and hit break pitches and walk a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit more. And he's done literally all of that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's become the best hitter on this team.

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<v Speaker 2>Greed.

0:23:09.160 --> 0:23:12.000
<v Speaker 1>Josh's next on the mail bag. Josh's question is, if

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<v Speaker 1>Dan gets fired, do you think Jerry and Justin should

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<v Speaker 1>go with him?

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<v Speaker 2>No, because I think they ended up buying themselves some

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<v Speaker 2>time with what happened last year and getting all the

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<v Speaker 2>way to Game seven of the ALCS and everything they've

0:23:27.480 --> 0:23:31.200
<v Speaker 2>done with the farm. Look, no front office is perfect.

0:23:31.240 --> 0:23:35.480
<v Speaker 2>They are certainly not perfect. They have mightily, mightily struggled

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<v Speaker 2>for a decade to put together a quality big league

0:23:38.320 --> 0:23:40.680
<v Speaker 2>offense and it's still very clearly a problem this year.

0:23:41.520 --> 0:23:44.800
<v Speaker 2>But between their ability to develop big league pitching and

0:23:44.840 --> 0:23:48.160
<v Speaker 2>their ability to develop a really good farm system and

0:23:48.680 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 2>again getting all the way to the seventh game of

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:54.439
<v Speaker 2>the ALCS last year, I don't think they end up

0:23:54.480 --> 0:24:00.480
<v Speaker 2>going with them. Now you can get into who's decision

0:24:00.480 --> 0:24:02.800
<v Speaker 2>it was to hire Dan in the first place, and

0:24:02.840 --> 0:24:04.480
<v Speaker 2>maybe we'll get into that here in a minute, but

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<v Speaker 2>just their overall resume, I don't see them totally cleaning house.

0:24:09.880 --> 0:24:12.879
<v Speaker 1>It would make some fans feel better if if that happened.

0:24:12.880 --> 0:24:16.480
<v Speaker 1>I think some fans at this point want a fresh start,

0:24:16.640 --> 0:24:19.800
<v Speaker 1>and I get the idea, But if you just like

0:24:19.920 --> 0:24:23.439
<v Speaker 1>itemize it, like what Jerry and Justin's job is and

0:24:23.440 --> 0:24:26.560
<v Speaker 1>how well they do at it. It's kind of hard

0:24:26.560 --> 0:24:28.359
<v Speaker 1>to poke holes. Besides the fact they don't have a

0:24:28.359 --> 0:24:31.080
<v Speaker 1>World Series title, a lot of the other processes are

0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:37.320
<v Speaker 1>pretty good sans hiring a manager, uh, developing pictures. I mean,

0:24:37.359 --> 0:24:43.000
<v Speaker 1>they're organizationally pretty great at that young hitters. They've done

0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:46.359
<v Speaker 1>a decent job they now have. They have Julio and Center,

0:24:46.440 --> 0:24:48.280
<v Speaker 1>they have col behind the plate. Both of those guys

0:24:48.280 --> 0:24:50.880
<v Speaker 1>have been extended. Colt said short. I mean, I guess

0:24:50.880 --> 0:24:54.040
<v Speaker 1>the book's still out on him, but Signs are promising

0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.720
<v Speaker 1>very highly rated prospect and they handed him one hundred

0:24:56.720 --> 0:24:58.960
<v Speaker 1>million dollars. That means they must be pretty confident in him.

0:24:59.400 --> 0:25:03.239
<v Speaker 1>Cole Young, it's pretty good, right, dom can zone. We

0:25:03.240 --> 0:25:06.080
<v Speaker 1>can now put him in that bucket of a young hitter.

0:25:06.119 --> 0:25:09.600
<v Speaker 1>They've molded into a solid everyday player, if not better

0:25:09.640 --> 0:25:14.560
<v Speaker 1>than solid, So that checks off. I mean, oh, you

0:25:14.560 --> 0:25:16.719
<v Speaker 1>could put JB. Crawford in there too, maybe not always

0:25:16.720 --> 0:25:18.840
<v Speaker 1>with the bat, but he has definitely brought value to

0:25:18.840 --> 0:25:20.920
<v Speaker 1>this team with his on base skills. So yeah, okay,

0:25:20.920 --> 0:25:23.480
<v Speaker 1>so there's the hitters that this group has brought in

0:25:23.520 --> 0:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>and developed. I feel like the only nitpick. Oh trades

0:25:27.240 --> 0:25:31.600
<v Speaker 1>trades great, They're usually pretty good at trades, drafting, very

0:25:31.640 --> 0:25:35.680
<v Speaker 1>good international signing. Their international signings have been pretty solid

0:25:35.920 --> 0:25:38.640
<v Speaker 1>when they've been in charge. The only thing I can

0:25:38.680 --> 0:25:41.960
<v Speaker 1>poke at them is they stink at bringing in platoon bats.

0:25:43.119 --> 0:25:46.159
<v Speaker 1>They're platoon bats. They're not just bad, they're awful well.

0:25:46.800 --> 0:25:49.600
<v Speaker 2>And the free agent signings haven't gone great so far either,

0:25:49.680 --> 0:25:53.479
<v Speaker 2>between Garb and Naylor, ref Snyder, Pollock, I mean, and

0:25:53.480 --> 0:25:55.840
<v Speaker 2>that ties in with the platoons Pollock and Refsnyder. But

0:25:56.320 --> 0:25:59.520
<v Speaker 2>the free agent signings, yeah, have not been perfect. I mean,

0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:02.120
<v Speaker 2>how do you evaluate the trades they've made for big

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:04.600
<v Speaker 2>league offense. I mean it's been i'd say hit or

0:26:04.600 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 2>miss so.

0:26:07.600 --> 0:26:11.520
<v Speaker 1>Ta Oscar right, that was that was a wash probably okay,

0:26:12.040 --> 0:26:14.040
<v Speaker 1>because I mean you gave up the primary piece was

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:18.600
<v Speaker 1>Eric Swanson, and Swanson had a good year and change

0:26:18.800 --> 0:26:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and then it was out of the big leagues.

0:26:22.400 --> 0:26:26.800
<v Speaker 2>Right and then although that's one good year and one

0:26:26.840 --> 0:26:28.320
<v Speaker 2>bad year when they traded for him.

0:26:29.359 --> 0:26:31.760
<v Speaker 1>M hmm. The one good year was free agency, not

0:26:31.800 --> 0:26:32.480
<v Speaker 1>even a trade.

0:26:33.080 --> 0:26:33.720
<v Speaker 2>Oh true?

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:37.000
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Uh, Cole Wong was a disaster.

0:26:37.800 --> 0:26:40.679
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I don't know there's been some Jesse Winker, but

0:26:40.760 --> 0:26:42.920
<v Speaker 2>then I guess I gets balanced out with Gino, so.

0:26:44.440 --> 0:26:46.080
<v Speaker 1>That part's been hit or mess. But they've had some

0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.000
<v Speaker 1>really good trades. Josh Neeler was a good trade. Gino

0:26:49.119 --> 0:26:53.320
<v Speaker 1>was a good trade. Luis Castill was a good trade. Yeah,

0:26:54.280 --> 0:26:57.840
<v Speaker 1>for sure. How are we judging the Edwin Diez trade?

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:02.600
<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, if they were gonna tear down, they

0:27:02.600 --> 0:27:04.560
<v Speaker 2>had to try to get prospects back for a closer.

0:27:04.600 --> 0:27:06.880
<v Speaker 2>You weren't gonna keep Edwin Diaz on a rebuilding team.

0:27:06.920 --> 0:27:10.600
<v Speaker 2>That wouldn't have made any sense. But yeah, like, look,

0:27:10.680 --> 0:27:14.240
<v Speaker 2>they got what looked to be a really hefty return

0:27:14.320 --> 0:27:16.119
<v Speaker 2>for him, and then it just didn't work out with Jared.

0:27:16.760 --> 0:27:20.119
<v Speaker 2>So yeah, look, you can you are more than in

0:27:20.160 --> 0:27:22.600
<v Speaker 2>your right to evaluate in your own opinion on how

0:27:22.600 --> 0:27:24.159
<v Speaker 2>they've done with trades. You can look at it in

0:27:24.240 --> 0:27:25.919
<v Speaker 2>the positive lens. You can look at it in a

0:27:25.960 --> 0:27:28.600
<v Speaker 2>negative lens. I think that's totally fair. But I just

0:27:28.640 --> 0:27:32.360
<v Speaker 2>think what they've done with again farm system, with big

0:27:32.440 --> 0:27:36.119
<v Speaker 2>league pitching, and again the fact they got as far

0:27:36.200 --> 0:27:37.880
<v Speaker 2>as they did last year is probably gonna buy him

0:27:37.880 --> 0:27:39.879
<v Speaker 2>some more time. I wish they'd made the playoffs more

0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:43.600
<v Speaker 2>times than their tenure, that's for sure. But I think

0:27:43.600 --> 0:27:45.440
<v Speaker 2>the other part of Josh's question we should get into

0:27:45.480 --> 0:27:48.560
<v Speaker 2>here a little bit, because he does specify more. He

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:52.399
<v Speaker 2>said should they go because they made the decision to

0:27:52.480 --> 0:27:56.680
<v Speaker 2>hire him without any managerial experience and with no interview process.

0:27:57.200 --> 0:27:59.800
<v Speaker 2>So we've mentioned this a bit on previous episodes. Will

0:27:59.840 --> 0:28:04.120
<v Speaker 2>men again, we don't have any confirmation on the following,

0:28:04.400 --> 0:28:06.720
<v Speaker 2>But just to tell you guys, what we've heard and

0:28:06.760 --> 0:28:09.040
<v Speaker 2>the things that we've picked up through the echo chambers

0:28:09.080 --> 0:28:13.360
<v Speaker 2>and just through some conversations, is we've heard both stories.

0:28:13.640 --> 0:28:16.639
<v Speaker 2>And this isn't just conversations with random drunk fans in

0:28:16.640 --> 0:28:18.680
<v Speaker 2>the pen. This is like, you know, these are these

0:28:18.720 --> 0:28:22.800
<v Speaker 2>are These are conversations with people that we trust that

0:28:23.040 --> 0:28:25.080
<v Speaker 2>we have heard both stories. We have heard it was

0:28:25.080 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 2>a Jerry decision, and we have also heard that bringing

0:28:29.359 --> 0:28:31.600
<v Speaker 2>Dan on in the way they did without interviewing anybody

0:28:31.640 --> 0:28:35.520
<v Speaker 2>else was an ownership decision, and they told Jerry this

0:28:35.560 --> 0:28:38.040
<v Speaker 2>is who they had to hire. So I don't know

0:28:38.080 --> 0:28:41.360
<v Speaker 2>which one of those is true. If it truly was

0:28:41.760 --> 0:28:44.160
<v Speaker 2>Jerry on his own and the front office on their own,

0:28:44.320 --> 0:28:47.000
<v Speaker 2>I mean, yeah, it's a terrible process I mean, and

0:28:47.040 --> 0:28:49.600
<v Speaker 2>I mean beyond terrible, and we've seen how that Dan

0:28:49.640 --> 0:28:54.680
<v Speaker 2>Wilson era's gone, but there are still other things that

0:28:54.720 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 2>balance it out.

0:28:56.280 --> 0:28:59.080
<v Speaker 1>The other thing I can note from this based on

0:28:59.160 --> 0:29:02.640
<v Speaker 1>that specific do you think the mayors cut corners on

0:29:03.040 --> 0:29:07.480
<v Speaker 1>other parts of their process? Like organization? Do they cut corners? Drafting?

0:29:07.560 --> 0:29:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Do they cut corners? Developing? Do they cut corners with

0:29:10.760 --> 0:29:14.880
<v Speaker 1>their No, I guess the free agents kind of, but

0:29:15.080 --> 0:29:16.960
<v Speaker 1>some of their other homegrown players. Do they do that?

0:29:18.800 --> 0:29:21.480
<v Speaker 2>No? Not really. Again, the front office certainly doesn't seem

0:29:21.520 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 2>to cut corners. The free agency thing is is again

0:29:24.400 --> 0:29:26.560
<v Speaker 2>owners that goes that goes higher than the front office.

0:29:26.600 --> 0:29:29.160
<v Speaker 2>That is the owners deciding to cut corners because again

0:29:29.200 --> 0:29:30.920
<v Speaker 2>they're often pretty cheap and don't like to spend.

0:29:31.400 --> 0:29:36.400
<v Speaker 1>Right, Well, they whoever hired Dan Wilson cut corners hiring

0:29:36.480 --> 0:29:41.360
<v Speaker 1>him so that the results are what the results are

0:29:41.400 --> 0:29:43.560
<v Speaker 1>when you cut corners, is.

0:29:43.520 --> 0:29:46.640
<v Speaker 2>That this feels like a pretty decent time to weave

0:29:46.640 --> 0:29:49.360
<v Speaker 2>in this passing thing, right, because I mean, we're on

0:29:49.400 --> 0:29:51.160
<v Speaker 2>the well, we're on the topic of Dan. I said

0:29:51.160 --> 0:29:53.960
<v Speaker 2>we were gonna mention passing. Wow, so passing was on

0:29:54.040 --> 0:29:56.560
<v Speaker 2>brocken Salt. This week as he usually is doing his

0:29:56.720 --> 0:30:00.880
<v Speaker 2>regular radio hit and let's let me just play you

0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 2>a couple seconds or like a few seconds of two

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:07.120
<v Speaker 2>different clips when he's talking about the state of the

0:30:07.120 --> 0:30:11.160
<v Speaker 2>Mariners and what's gone wrong and why they are where

0:30:11.160 --> 0:30:14.120
<v Speaker 2>they are, and he starts to go into answer this

0:30:14.160 --> 0:30:17.160
<v Speaker 2>is number one, talking about when things go this badly

0:30:17.200 --> 0:30:19.680
<v Speaker 2>and you're at the point you're at. He thought it

0:30:19.720 --> 0:30:22.720
<v Speaker 2>points to something deeper. And then he talks about that

0:30:22.760 --> 0:30:24.480
<v Speaker 2>they need to make a change, and he kind of

0:30:24.480 --> 0:30:26.000
<v Speaker 2>says this here, I'll try to cue it up for

0:30:26.040 --> 0:30:28.040
<v Speaker 2>the right spot, but here, let's let's give it a shot.

0:30:28.080 --> 0:30:29.680
<v Speaker 2>I'll just put my mic up or phone up to

0:30:29.720 --> 0:30:31.480
<v Speaker 2>the mic, change up the.

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 3>Mix in there. And I almost wonder if it's a

0:30:35.840 --> 0:30:38.640
<v Speaker 3>matter of changing up the mix, because I'm not sure

0:30:38.680 --> 0:30:40.480
<v Speaker 3>that they're going to change up the thing that they

0:30:40.560 --> 0:30:42.880
<v Speaker 3>really should, which is the manager.

0:30:43.440 --> 0:30:46.360
<v Speaker 2>Okay, so that's number one where you just heard the

0:30:46.400 --> 0:30:49.960
<v Speaker 2>premiere voice in baseball media essentially say Dan Wilson should

0:30:50.000 --> 0:30:50.920
<v Speaker 2>no longer have a job.

0:30:51.360 --> 0:30:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Correct. They're unwilling to, he said, they're unwilling to make

0:30:54.800 --> 0:30:56.800
<v Speaker 1>the change. They or he's unsure they're going to make

0:30:56.840 --> 0:30:58.880
<v Speaker 1>the change. They actually need to change.

0:30:58.800 --> 0:31:02.040
<v Speaker 2>Which is the manager, which is Jeff Passen saying again,

0:31:02.880 --> 0:31:04.920
<v Speaker 2>Dan Wilson shouldn't be managing anymore, right.

0:31:05.080 --> 0:31:08.880
<v Speaker 1>Which teas up the second one, which is even more damning.

0:31:09.200 --> 0:31:11.560
<v Speaker 2>Right, and why and this is and this is point

0:31:11.640 --> 0:31:13.520
<v Speaker 2>number two. I think it's very simple.

0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:17.240
<v Speaker 3>If Dan Wilson weren't one of the best players in

0:31:17.320 --> 0:31:18.800
<v Speaker 3>franchise history, he would.

0:31:18.560 --> 0:31:20.600
<v Speaker 2>Not be manager anymore. Yeah.

0:31:21.120 --> 0:31:25.120
<v Speaker 3>I think it's simple as that. There's politics that are

0:31:25.160 --> 0:31:26.000
<v Speaker 3>going on here.

0:31:28.000 --> 0:31:29.040
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yep.

0:31:30.480 --> 0:31:33.320
<v Speaker 2>Again, you guys know good and well how we feel

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:35.840
<v Speaker 2>about Dan as a manager, but don't take it from us.

0:31:35.920 --> 0:31:39.040
<v Speaker 2>That is again the premiere voice in baseball media saying

0:31:40.280 --> 0:31:42.840
<v Speaker 2>he doesn't think Dan should have a job anymore. And

0:31:42.920 --> 0:31:45.280
<v Speaker 2>he's also saying that if Dan wasn't in the team

0:31:45.320 --> 0:31:47.479
<v Speaker 2>Hall of Fame, he would have been gone. All right.

0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:56.520
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, here's a note to anybody if in our listening

0:31:56.560 --> 0:31:59.800
<v Speaker 1>audience who eventually wants to to run a baseball team,

0:31:59.800 --> 0:32:02.640
<v Speaker 1>If you you want like a nice, smooth operation with

0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.920
<v Speaker 1>no politics, as Jeff Passon says, if you're hiring a manager,

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>let's make sure like the manager or the GM or

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>the president. Because the giants are running into the situation

0:32:14.120 --> 0:32:17.600
<v Speaker 1>too with Buster Posey. The person can have no association

0:32:17.720 --> 0:32:20.800
<v Speaker 1>with your organization prior no players.

0:32:22.000 --> 0:32:24.080
<v Speaker 2>I mean if they had played one year in the

0:32:24.160 --> 0:32:28.080
<v Speaker 2>organization or something like that where they didn't have true ties. Okay,

0:32:28.440 --> 0:32:30.800
<v Speaker 2>Ryan Sandberg managed the Phillies. It's not like he was

0:32:30.800 --> 0:32:33.880
<v Speaker 2>some Phillies legend. He was obviously a Hall of Famer

0:32:33.920 --> 0:32:36.560
<v Speaker 2>as a Cub. But then manage the Phillies.

0:32:36.800 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 1>You get what I'm saying. No, no ten tenure player

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:44.160
<v Speaker 1>for X franchise gets to should gets hired to come

0:32:44.200 --> 0:32:47.520
<v Speaker 1>back and run run said franchise, either in the dugout

0:32:47.680 --> 0:32:49.920
<v Speaker 1>or in the front office. As you can see, like

0:32:49.960 --> 0:32:52.640
<v Speaker 1>the two examples we currently have in Major League Baseball,

0:32:52.680 --> 0:32:57.520
<v Speaker 1>it puts teams in really difficult situations, more difficult than

0:32:57.560 --> 0:32:59.960
<v Speaker 1>it should be. Where if Dan Wilson had no associate

0:33:00.320 --> 0:33:03.960
<v Speaker 1>with the Mariners, the Mariners would not have a preconceived

0:33:03.960 --> 0:33:07.480
<v Speaker 1>bias from twenty five years ago to prevent them from

0:33:07.480 --> 0:33:10.240
<v Speaker 1>making decision that could potentially make them better this year.

0:33:10.720 --> 0:33:14.000
<v Speaker 2>Correct. And by the way, let me just add one

0:33:14.000 --> 0:33:15.719
<v Speaker 2>more note to what pass And said before we get

0:33:15.760 --> 0:33:19.920
<v Speaker 2>to our next question. When Passing talks about stuff like this,

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 2>he's not really ripping off takes. If you listen to

0:33:24.040 --> 0:33:27.160
<v Speaker 2>Jeff talk about what he just said, that does not

0:33:27.320 --> 0:33:30.160
<v Speaker 2>sound like he's ripping off some take. That sounds to

0:33:30.200 --> 0:33:34.680
<v Speaker 2>me like he has got intel and has had conversations

0:33:34.720 --> 0:33:37.320
<v Speaker 2>with people inside that building that also feel that way.

0:33:37.520 --> 0:33:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I can't know that for sure. It's not like we've

0:33:39.360 --> 0:33:42.400
<v Speaker 2>asked Passon about it. It's just what it sounds like

0:33:42.520 --> 0:33:45.040
<v Speaker 2>listening to those answers. And if that's true, if what

0:33:45.080 --> 0:33:48.080
<v Speaker 2>we are saying is true, then that backs up what

0:33:48.160 --> 0:33:50.080
<v Speaker 2>TJ and I have been saying for months, which is

0:33:51.120 --> 0:33:54.160
<v Speaker 2>we think this front office, despite some of the flaws

0:33:54.200 --> 0:33:58.440
<v Speaker 2>it has, are just too smart a baseball people to

0:33:58.560 --> 0:34:01.840
<v Speaker 2>be watching what's going down day by day, game by game,

0:34:01.960 --> 0:34:05.600
<v Speaker 2>especially when trying to make decisions and saying, yeah, we

0:34:05.760 --> 0:34:08.160
<v Speaker 2>love the way these games are getting managed. They can't

0:34:08.160 --> 0:34:11.920
<v Speaker 2>say it publicly, but there's just no way, there's just

0:34:12.080 --> 0:34:15.000
<v Speaker 2>no way that their philosophy lines up with what is

0:34:15.040 --> 0:34:17.560
<v Speaker 2>going down on that field on a day to day basis.

0:34:18.440 --> 0:34:20.760
<v Speaker 1>I can't say I'm that surprised, can't.

0:34:21.040 --> 0:34:24.480
<v Speaker 2>No, No, we can't say that for sure. Again, like

0:34:24.520 --> 0:34:29.760
<v Speaker 2>we're not us believing that isn't like it's not sourced

0:34:30.160 --> 0:34:32.239
<v Speaker 2>but it's sure as hell feels that way, and it's

0:34:32.239 --> 0:34:34.719
<v Speaker 2>sure as hell sounds that way. Listen in to pass

0:34:34.760 --> 0:34:35.480
<v Speaker 2>and talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, all right, before we get to our next mailbag question, Lole,

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<v Speaker 1>might be for Kirby versus Hancock in your opinion?

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<v Speaker 2>Man, it's hard. I mean, let me turn this back

0:35:58.200 --> 0:36:02.360
<v Speaker 2>to you. First, do you think these guys have similar

0:36:02.400 --> 0:36:06.239
<v Speaker 2>to equal value? Because Kirby is the better pitcher with

0:36:06.320 --> 0:36:08.400
<v Speaker 2>two and a half years of control, but Emerson has

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<v Speaker 2>proven to be a really good big league starter this

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<v Speaker 2>year with four and a half years of control.

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<v Speaker 1>That's one hundred percent what I think. I think the

0:36:15.080 --> 0:36:19.799
<v Speaker 1>package is essentially the same. And also consider this, if

0:36:19.800 --> 0:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners are trying to buy this with these moves,

0:36:23.480 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>they're trying to buy and make themselves better. There's a

0:36:26.680 --> 0:36:29.560
<v Speaker 1>cap that a team is gonna is gonna set when

0:36:29.600 --> 0:36:33.120
<v Speaker 1>they're trading players that the Mariners deem by worthy. Because

0:36:33.160 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>if you're buying, you're trading for big leaguers and most

0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.920
<v Speaker 1>likely the team you're trading with needs a starting pitcher

0:36:39.960 --> 0:36:41.640
<v Speaker 1>so they can compete in the playoffs. So how much

0:36:41.680 --> 0:36:44.000
<v Speaker 1>are you really gonna get back? Right?

0:36:44.800 --> 0:36:47.840
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's impossible to put together an exact package

0:36:47.880 --> 0:36:49.880
<v Speaker 2>for you because you got to pick the team. You

0:36:49.960 --> 0:36:52.600
<v Speaker 2>gotta go through the player, you gotta go through the prospects,

0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:55.000
<v Speaker 2>and there's so many different options if you want a

0:36:55.120 --> 0:36:57.600
<v Speaker 2>general return and what it could look like, it feels

0:36:57.600 --> 0:37:02.080
<v Speaker 2>like it would be one can controllable big league player

0:37:02.200 --> 0:37:04.800
<v Speaker 2>and then one solid prospect to good prospect.

0:37:05.120 --> 0:37:08.360
<v Speaker 1>Mm hmm. Yeah, it can be like the Connolly Early

0:37:08.520 --> 0:37:12.399
<v Speaker 1>for Curtis Mead trade. Well, that was straight up so yeah,

0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.120
<v Speaker 1>I mean that was a straight up trade. Every team

0:37:15.320 --> 0:37:20.719
<v Speaker 1>trades and values differently, but that's a pretty solid, a

0:37:20.760 --> 0:37:23.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty solid framework that the Nationals and Red Sox laid

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:25.480
<v Speaker 1>out for the Mariners if they're going to trade one

0:37:25.520 --> 0:37:28.279
<v Speaker 1>of these guys. Emerson doesn't have as much control as

0:37:28.280 --> 0:37:30.560
<v Speaker 1>Connolly Early, but he's also more proven in the big leagues.

0:37:30.880 --> 0:37:34.720
<v Speaker 1>He's pitched for longer, and on the other side, Curtis

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:37.120
<v Speaker 1>Mead might be better than any better and younger than

0:37:37.160 --> 0:37:38.919
<v Speaker 1>any player the Mariners could get back in a trade.

0:37:39.280 --> 0:37:41.200
<v Speaker 1>Curtis Mead has had a really good year of fortunate

0:37:41.239 --> 0:37:44.520
<v Speaker 1>he's hurt now, broke his wrist. That's a bummer, really

0:37:44.560 --> 0:37:48.879
<v Speaker 1>bad luck. But he's like a thirty percent over league

0:37:48.880 --> 0:37:50.440
<v Speaker 1>average as a hitter this year, and that's a one

0:37:50.480 --> 0:37:53.080
<v Speaker 1>for one swap for a big leaguer. The Mariners I

0:37:53.160 --> 0:37:54.920
<v Speaker 1>think at this point would take that in a heartbeat.

0:37:55.280 --> 0:37:57.279
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think that option's out there. I don't

0:37:57.320 --> 0:38:00.400
<v Speaker 1>really think so. So I'm with you. I'm thinking it's

0:38:00.160 --> 0:38:03.359
<v Speaker 1>a it's a solid big league player and it's a prospect.

0:38:03.640 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 1>But even still, there's where you'd be making too much

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:10.560
<v Speaker 1>of your trying to find a difference in value between

0:38:10.600 --> 0:38:11.320
<v Speaker 1>those two guys.

0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Sure, yeah, I agreed in.

0:38:13.880 --> 0:38:16.600
<v Speaker 1>The middle of the season especially that adds so much.

0:38:16.640 --> 0:38:20.919
<v Speaker 1>Off season trades are much different in season trades. I mean,

0:38:21.440 --> 0:38:26.760
<v Speaker 1>everyone's trying to win, right, Yeah. Next question comes from

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.520
<v Speaker 1>I think I'm saying your name your name right? I

0:38:29.520 --> 0:38:32.239
<v Speaker 1>think Jatin, I know we've we've met in person, and

0:38:32.480 --> 0:38:35.759
<v Speaker 1>I forget how to pronounce it, So I apologize. Let

0:38:35.800 --> 0:38:37.840
<v Speaker 1>me know in the comments that I pronounced that correctly.

0:38:39.000 --> 0:38:42.440
<v Speaker 1>His question is what if the Mariner's trade for Lane

0:38:42.480 --> 0:38:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Thomas from the Royals.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I guess they need a right handed bat,

0:38:48.280 --> 0:38:51.440
<v Speaker 2>but it doesn't feel like a very inspiring trade. They

0:38:51.440 --> 0:38:54.800
<v Speaker 2>could do it, but Lane Thomas is a free agent

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:57.920
<v Speaker 2>at the end of the year. He is hitting lefties

0:38:58.000 --> 0:39:00.399
<v Speaker 2>pretty well this year, but still for the Sea as

0:39:00.440 --> 0:39:04.120
<v Speaker 2>a whole, he's barely been an above average hitter. He's

0:39:04.160 --> 0:39:07.440
<v Speaker 2>an okay defender at best. At this point. It's just

0:39:07.480 --> 0:39:12.960
<v Speaker 2>like like it would essentially like be replacing Rob Refsnyder

0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 2>if you went and got Lane Thomas, that would be

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:18.319
<v Speaker 2>the role he'd fill. But that's not really putting you

0:39:18.400 --> 0:39:19.000
<v Speaker 2>over the top.

0:39:20.080 --> 0:39:21.879
<v Speaker 1>This is not a move to put you over the top.

0:39:21.920 --> 0:39:24.200
<v Speaker 1>I think if you move on from Victor Roeblists and

0:39:24.239 --> 0:39:26.640
<v Speaker 1>replace it with him with Lane Thomas, I think I'd

0:39:26.640 --> 0:39:27.239
<v Speaker 1>be fine with that.

0:39:27.520 --> 0:39:29.719
<v Speaker 2>Oh, I guess Roboys could be the other option here.

0:39:29.760 --> 0:39:33.399
<v Speaker 2>Is that who Thomas replaces? Again, Sure, but you got

0:39:33.400 --> 0:39:34.640
<v Speaker 2>to do a lot more than that.

0:39:35.239 --> 0:39:37.200
<v Speaker 1>It's yeah, it's not just him. But if if this

0:39:37.280 --> 0:39:38.920
<v Speaker 1>option is available, I think I would do it.

0:39:39.160 --> 0:39:39.399
<v Speaker 2>Sure.

0:39:39.440 --> 0:39:41.359
<v Speaker 1>I think I think your team would be slightly better

0:39:41.560 --> 0:39:43.719
<v Speaker 1>with that. I think that would be better. You can't

0:39:43.760 --> 0:39:46.480
<v Speaker 1>bet put him in the lineup against righties. He's terrible

0:39:46.480 --> 0:39:48.439
<v Speaker 1>against righty's, but he's been good against lefties this year.

0:39:48.640 --> 0:39:49.000
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:39:49.080 --> 0:39:50.360
<v Speaker 1>So you put him out in the corner, in a

0:39:50.360 --> 0:39:52.439
<v Speaker 1>corner outfield spot, I think he'll be better. The Royals

0:39:52.480 --> 0:39:54.880
<v Speaker 1>have played him out in center a ton he's been

0:39:55.000 --> 0:39:55.719
<v Speaker 1>terrible out there.

0:39:55.840 --> 0:39:57.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And I was gonna say, maybe that's why his

0:39:57.560 --> 0:39:59.960
<v Speaker 2>defense has been so brutal this year. Now, the guy

0:40:00.120 --> 0:40:02.560
<v Speaker 2>has a good arm, he just has not played good defense.

0:40:03.160 --> 0:40:06.520
<v Speaker 1>No, but you put him in a corner outfield spot,

0:40:06.560 --> 0:40:08.560
<v Speaker 1>put him in right field, and he could be your

0:40:08.560 --> 0:40:10.359
<v Speaker 1>guy to be in the lineup against lefties. I do

0:40:10.360 --> 0:40:11.640
<v Speaker 1>think that would be a plus.

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:14.680
<v Speaker 2>Sure. I mean again, like, it's fine. I'm not saying

0:40:14.719 --> 0:40:18.640
<v Speaker 2>it's a bad move. It's just I don't think that's

0:40:18.680 --> 0:40:21.359
<v Speaker 2>exactly riling up the fan base in a positive way.

0:40:21.440 --> 0:40:23.240
<v Speaker 2>If that makes sense, I think people would say, okay,

0:40:23.400 --> 0:40:23.839
<v Speaker 2>like sure.

0:40:25.840 --> 0:40:29.360
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Alex on Patreon. Alex's question is

0:40:30.120 --> 0:40:32.640
<v Speaker 1>During the broadcast to the second game against the Dodgers,

0:40:32.719 --> 0:40:35.319
<v Speaker 1>Dave Valley and Aaron Goldsmith discussed how long it took

0:40:35.320 --> 0:40:38.000
<v Speaker 1>for Edgar Martinez to become an everyday major league player.

0:40:38.080 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>Reminded me a bit of Canzone. What do you think

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<v Speaker 1>are the chances that Canzone becomes the Mariners full time

0:40:43.560 --> 0:40:46.200
<v Speaker 1>DH for the foreseeable future, And what would you say

0:40:46.320 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>is his one hundredth percentile outcome?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I can't say his one hundred percentile outcome is

0:40:52.320 --> 0:40:54.840
<v Speaker 2>going to be Edgar because that's just not fair to

0:40:54.840 --> 0:40:56.319
<v Speaker 2>say he's going to be a Hall of Fame hitter.

0:40:56.960 --> 0:41:00.960
<v Speaker 2>But one hundred percentile outcome, I mean, the guy makes

0:41:01.000 --> 0:41:03.319
<v Speaker 2>a couple All Star Games as a Mariner over the

0:41:03.360 --> 0:41:06.640
<v Speaker 2>next few seasons, and he's a thirty home run guy

0:41:06.719 --> 0:41:09.719
<v Speaker 2>moving forward, and he puts up similar ops to what

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:11.920
<v Speaker 2>he's putting up now, or is you know, consistently an

0:41:11.920 --> 0:41:15.319
<v Speaker 2>eight thirty to eight sixty ops guy. Feels like one

0:41:15.360 --> 0:41:18.200
<v Speaker 2>hundred percentile outcome. If you get an eight to fifty

0:41:18.239 --> 0:41:20.480
<v Speaker 2>ops in Dom can Zone for the next three to

0:41:20.520 --> 0:41:22.680
<v Speaker 2>four years and he makes two All Star Games, that's

0:41:22.680 --> 0:41:23.520
<v Speaker 2>a pretty good outcome.

0:41:25.040 --> 0:41:27.440
<v Speaker 1>To answer the first question, yes, I think he will

0:41:27.480 --> 0:41:29.879
<v Speaker 1>be at the Mariner's DH going forward at the very

0:41:29.960 --> 0:41:33.120
<v Speaker 1>least next season, and hard to as long as the

0:41:33.120 --> 0:41:35.719
<v Speaker 1>production remains well above average, he's going to have it

0:41:35.760 --> 0:41:39.719
<v Speaker 1>for seasons going forward. One hundred percentile, I'd just say

0:41:39.719 --> 0:41:43.640
<v Speaker 1>Mariners Hall of Fame with roughly the same offensive output

0:41:43.680 --> 0:41:47.240
<v Speaker 1>as Kyle Seger over his career for one hundred percent

0:41:47.280 --> 0:41:49.560
<v Speaker 1>of Kyle Sieger at two hundred and forty two home runs.

0:41:50.239 --> 0:41:54.520
<v Speaker 1>At Dom's current rate, he'll probably have maybe slightly better

0:41:54.600 --> 0:41:58.040
<v Speaker 1>rate stats than Kyle Seger, but overall, maybe the power

0:41:58.040 --> 0:42:01.919
<v Speaker 1>production will be close to that two forty two mark,

0:42:01.960 --> 0:42:04.799
<v Speaker 1>and that'd be a really really good career for Dom Canzone.

0:42:05.360 --> 0:42:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, you hit two hundred and fifty big league home runs.

0:42:08.040 --> 0:42:10.720
<v Speaker 2>That's a great career. Not a Hall of Fame career,

0:42:10.760 --> 0:42:13.359
<v Speaker 2>but I don't think anybody's expecting that. It's a really

0:42:13.360 --> 0:42:16.279
<v Speaker 2>good career if he does that. Yeah, he'll get paid

0:42:16.280 --> 0:42:17.920
<v Speaker 2>in free agency if he does that, that's for.

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.799
<v Speaker 1>Sure, definitely, or the Mariners extend him. He could probably

0:42:21.840 --> 0:42:25.360
<v Speaker 1>be an extension candidate, given he's a DH and his age.

0:42:25.480 --> 0:42:27.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, they would take him a while to hit free agency.

0:42:27.640 --> 0:42:30.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so he's got what three years?

0:42:30.960 --> 0:42:34.160
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I believe he's a free agent after twenty twenty

0:42:34.239 --> 0:42:35.359
<v Speaker 2>nine if I have that right.

0:42:35.640 --> 0:42:38.360
<v Speaker 1>Oh, so he's got three more years.

0:42:38.120 --> 0:42:42.680
<v Speaker 2>Offt Yeah, Yeah, he is a free agent in twenty thirty.

0:42:42.760 --> 0:42:45.440
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, okay, so yeah, he's got three years left. So

0:42:45.440 --> 0:42:47.279
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners are in no rush for that, but he's

0:42:47.280 --> 0:42:50.919
<v Speaker 1>definitely an extension candidate, a little shorter extension because he'll

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:55.120
<v Speaker 1>be thirty one. Thirty two sounds right by the time

0:42:55.160 --> 0:42:56.000
<v Speaker 1>he hits free agency.

0:42:56.360 --> 0:42:56.600
<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

0:42:58.160 --> 0:43:01.719
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Alex on Patreon. Alex's question is

0:43:01.880 --> 0:43:04.560
<v Speaker 1>what gets us Mason Miller and are the Mariners willing

0:43:04.600 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to pay it at this point?

0:43:06.880 --> 0:43:08.799
<v Speaker 2>I mean, we've talked about this. We said the thing

0:43:08.840 --> 0:43:11.040
<v Speaker 2>that would put it over the top is trading George

0:43:11.080 --> 0:43:15.000
<v Speaker 2>Kirby for him, because I don't know how the Padres

0:43:15.000 --> 0:43:17.640
<v Speaker 2>would get much of a better return package than a

0:43:17.960 --> 0:43:21.680
<v Speaker 2>bona fide big league starting pitcher who's been an All

0:43:21.680 --> 0:43:23.839
<v Speaker 2>Star and throws strikes at the rate that Kirby does.

0:43:24.360 --> 0:43:26.200
<v Speaker 2>But if you want to look to something other than

0:43:26.320 --> 0:43:29.160
<v Speaker 2>just a starting pitcher, because we've talked about that, I mean,

0:43:30.800 --> 0:43:32.960
<v Speaker 2>if you want to know what for sure would land him,

0:43:33.000 --> 0:43:35.520
<v Speaker 2>I mean trading Kate Anderson and Ryan Sloan would land him.

0:43:35.520 --> 0:43:39.719
<v Speaker 2>But the Mariners aren't gonna do that. So, you know,

0:43:39.840 --> 0:43:44.200
<v Speaker 2>trading Felnen, cell us In and somebody else that's high

0:43:44.239 --> 0:43:46.160
<v Speaker 2>up in your prospects doesn't like if you're gonna trade

0:43:46.160 --> 0:43:50.839
<v Speaker 2>Felnin and Las Montes. Could that get you Mason Miller, Probably,

0:43:50.960 --> 0:43:52.560
<v Speaker 2>but the Mariners may not want to do that either.

0:43:54.120 --> 0:43:56.400
<v Speaker 1>For a guarantee, it's gonna have to be George Kirby,

0:43:56.440 --> 0:44:00.160
<v Speaker 1>Ryan Sloan or Kate Anderson. Yeah, everything else comes with

0:44:00.320 --> 0:44:02.320
<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a question given how good Mason

0:44:02.320 --> 0:44:04.600
<v Speaker 1>Miller is. Mason Miller's better now than he was at

0:44:04.600 --> 0:44:09.319
<v Speaker 1>this point last year, like as a trade asset, Like

0:44:09.400 --> 0:44:12.399
<v Speaker 1>Mason Miller was very stuffy and still very very very

0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:14.120
<v Speaker 1>effective with the A's, but he's better now.

0:44:14.440 --> 0:44:16.240
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, he was agreed.

0:44:16.640 --> 0:44:19.960
<v Speaker 1>I think the profile of Mason Miller is significantly higher

0:44:20.120 --> 0:44:21.160
<v Speaker 1>now and.

0:44:21.600 --> 0:44:23.840
<v Speaker 2>He is he is trending toward Cooper's town.

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.440
<v Speaker 1>With Yeah, I mean he is one of the greatest

0:44:27.480 --> 0:44:31.080
<v Speaker 1>relievers that has ever played Major League baseball. That that's

0:44:31.080 --> 0:44:34.520
<v Speaker 1>pretty certain, and just on a rate basis.

0:44:34.600 --> 0:44:36.000
<v Speaker 2>On a rate basis, I was going to say, the

0:44:36.040 --> 0:44:38.200
<v Speaker 2>counting stats still have a long way to go, but yes,

0:44:38.640 --> 0:44:39.480
<v Speaker 2>for sure.

0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:42.839
<v Speaker 1>But he pitches in Major League baseball for a while,

0:44:42.880 --> 0:44:48.840
<v Speaker 1>then those counting statues will catch up. Next question comes

0:44:48.880 --> 0:44:52.759
<v Speaker 1>from Xander on Patreon. Xander's wondering with the Mariner's home

0:44:52.800 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 1>run derby coming up, if we were to put all

0:44:54.880 --> 0:44:58.359
<v Speaker 1>the Mariner's content creators in the lineup, who would win?

0:45:00.080 --> 0:45:06.080
<v Speaker 2>Man, So, if you had asked me this a year ago,

0:45:06.840 --> 0:45:10.200
<v Speaker 2>even a few months ago, maybe there's a chance I'd

0:45:10.200 --> 0:45:13.719
<v Speaker 2>pump my own like ego up and say myself, but

0:45:14.560 --> 0:45:16.120
<v Speaker 2>I think it's our buddy Andrew. I think it'd be

0:45:16.120 --> 0:45:18.279
<v Speaker 2>our buddy West Coast Willie, who I'm sure some of

0:45:18.320 --> 0:45:20.919
<v Speaker 2>you guys know that would have the best shot. I mean,

0:45:21.280 --> 0:45:24.000
<v Speaker 2>he played Division one baseball. Now, he was a pitcher,

0:45:24.400 --> 0:45:27.719
<v Speaker 2>but him and I have known each other a long time,

0:45:27.760 --> 0:45:29.880
<v Speaker 2>and like we grew up playing against each other in

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:32.279
<v Speaker 2>All Stars in Little League, and you know, had a

0:45:32.280 --> 0:45:34.360
<v Speaker 2>bunch of mutual friends all through high school. And like

0:45:34.760 --> 0:45:37.799
<v Speaker 2>he was a really really good high school player as

0:45:37.800 --> 0:45:41.279
<v Speaker 2>a hitter and a pitcher. And I think if you

0:45:41.320 --> 0:45:45.160
<v Speaker 2>were gonna put some content creators out there, he'd probably

0:45:45.160 --> 0:45:48.359
<v Speaker 2>be the best one. I was gonna vote for you.

0:45:48.760 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Oh you were, Oh that's Yeahue. Well, again, if you

0:45:51.760 --> 0:45:53.080
<v Speaker 2>had asked me a few months ago, I might have

0:45:53.120 --> 0:45:55.840
<v Speaker 2>said me. But again, I didn't play Division one baseball.

0:45:56.040 --> 0:45:59.279
<v Speaker 2>So but you get hit a ball really far, all right,

0:45:59.360 --> 0:46:01.200
<v Speaker 2>So I mean, look like I think I could hold

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 2>my own like, I think I got a shot to like,

0:46:04.520 --> 0:46:08.800
<v Speaker 2>like send some baseball's a long way, but but I

0:46:08.800 --> 0:46:10.560
<v Speaker 2>don't know if I could put myself in the top.

0:46:11.560 --> 0:46:15.040
<v Speaker 1>I mean, you and Andrew hit about the same amount

0:46:15.080 --> 0:46:16.080
<v Speaker 1>with the Division one level.

0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.560
<v Speaker 2>I guess that's fair. But he was always a better

0:46:19.560 --> 0:46:21.719
<v Speaker 2>player than I was growing up and through high school,

0:46:21.760 --> 0:46:24.279
<v Speaker 2>which is why I'll put more. I'll put more chips

0:46:24.320 --> 0:46:25.880
<v Speaker 2>in his basket. I mean, if you guys want to

0:46:25.920 --> 0:46:28.160
<v Speaker 2>find out for yourself, If you guys aren't doing anything

0:46:28.239 --> 0:46:31.520
<v Speaker 2>on Saturday, I'll just give a little plug here. TJ

0:46:31.920 --> 0:46:35.400
<v Speaker 2>and I and our buddy Andrew, who's West Coast Willie

0:46:35.440 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 2>on social media, are all playing in a celebrity softball

0:46:39.080 --> 0:46:41.800
<v Speaker 2>game in Kirkland. It's called the Cats and Dogs Celebrity

0:46:41.840 --> 0:46:45.600
<v Speaker 2>Softball Game. It's it's to help support and honor the

0:46:46.480 --> 0:46:49.319
<v Speaker 2>Junior Softball World Series that takes place in Kirkland every year.

0:46:49.640 --> 0:46:51.640
<v Speaker 2>But it's gonna be in Kirkland at three pm on

0:46:51.719 --> 0:46:54.440
<v Speaker 2>Saturday at Lee Johnson Field, and all three of us

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 2>are playing in the game. We're all on the same team,

0:46:57.120 --> 0:46:59.000
<v Speaker 2>so I don't know. We'll see who shows out in

0:46:59.000 --> 0:47:01.440
<v Speaker 2>that game. Maybe I'll help win or lose some points

0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:02.040
<v Speaker 2>for some people.

0:47:02.840 --> 0:47:04.800
<v Speaker 1>If you want to watch me come swing and miss,

0:47:04.880 --> 0:47:06.879
<v Speaker 1>then that's yeah, show up.

0:47:07.440 --> 0:47:10.640
<v Speaker 2>See you can tell the swing a bat? Can you

0:47:10.680 --> 0:47:12.840
<v Speaker 2>tell the difference in priorities here? I mean TJ is

0:47:12.880 --> 0:47:15.080
<v Speaker 2>sitting here saying, I just hope I don't look absolutely

0:47:15.160 --> 0:47:17.919
<v Speaker 2>stupid and I may be the worst player out. There

0:47:18.000 --> 0:47:20.280
<v Speaker 2>was this message to me earlier in the in the week.

0:47:20.800 --> 0:47:23.640
<v Speaker 2>Yet West Coast Willie and I are sitting here saying,

0:47:23.719 --> 0:47:26.480
<v Speaker 2>can I like connect to hit a ball out of

0:47:26.560 --> 0:47:28.640
<v Speaker 2>Lee Johnson? That is our mindset going into this.

0:47:29.560 --> 0:47:31.600
<v Speaker 1>I will I'll take a ball out of the infield.

0:47:31.800 --> 0:47:33.879
<v Speaker 1>If maybe if I had some time to actually take

0:47:33.920 --> 0:47:36.880
<v Speaker 1>some swings, i'd feel a little bit better about myself.

0:47:36.920 --> 0:47:39.920
<v Speaker 1>But I don't know what I'm enough time to take swings. Oh,

0:47:40.280 --> 0:47:42.560
<v Speaker 1>we're just we're just gonna We're just gonna show up

0:47:42.600 --> 0:47:45.400
<v Speaker 1>on Saturday, Lyle, and we're gonna hope the baseball gods

0:47:45.400 --> 0:47:46.240
<v Speaker 1>are on our side.

0:47:47.080 --> 0:47:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Oh. I actually took some swings here on Thursday night

0:47:49.280 --> 0:47:51.200
<v Speaker 2>tonight when the game got out of hand after Dalton

0:47:51.239 --> 0:47:53.960
<v Speaker 2>Rushing hit the home run. My brother's in town briefly,

0:47:54.080 --> 0:47:56.520
<v Speaker 2>so we went out to uh one of our local

0:47:56.520 --> 0:47:58.920
<v Speaker 2>baseball fields, and I was actually taking some swings, so

0:47:58.920 --> 0:48:00.719
<v Speaker 2>I was like, yeah, okay, give myself a shot to

0:48:00.760 --> 0:48:02.480
<v Speaker 2>try to connect with one on Saturday. Why not?

0:48:04.960 --> 0:48:07.520
<v Speaker 1>If you're leave your prediction down in the comments below.

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:10.279
<v Speaker 1>Whether or not Wile actually clears the fence at Lee

0:48:10.400 --> 0:48:12.319
<v Speaker 1>Johnson Field, it's it's not likely.

0:48:12.360 --> 0:48:15.880
<v Speaker 2>It's a hard part. Honestly, for those who know the field,

0:48:16.600 --> 0:48:19.440
<v Speaker 2>it favors lefties much more than it does righties. If

0:48:19.480 --> 0:48:20.800
<v Speaker 2>you want to hit one out of there, as a writing,

0:48:20.840 --> 0:48:22.720
<v Speaker 2>you kind of got to hit it right down the line,

0:48:22.840 --> 0:48:25.399
<v Speaker 2>like right down the line. But it'll be fun. I'm

0:48:25.400 --> 0:48:27.640
<v Speaker 2>really looking forward to playing in the game in all seriousness.

0:48:27.840 --> 0:48:30.320
<v Speaker 2>If you want one other name of a Mariner's content creator,

0:48:30.719 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 2>So we've had it was a while back, but we've

0:48:33.680 --> 0:48:36.120
<v Speaker 2>had our friend Ben Ranieri on the podcast before once

0:48:36.200 --> 0:48:40.279
<v Speaker 2>and he played Division three college baseball, I believe, so

0:48:40.440 --> 0:48:42.000
<v Speaker 2>he'd probably be another one that has a shot.

0:48:43.960 --> 0:48:47.960
<v Speaker 1>Next question comes from Alex on Patreon. Alex's question is

0:48:48.000 --> 0:48:51.719
<v Speaker 1>looking back at your preseason expectations, who's exceeded the more

0:48:51.920 --> 0:48:54.719
<v Speaker 1>Cole Young or dom can Zone.

0:48:56.280 --> 0:48:59.360
<v Speaker 2>I mean, it's interesting. I think both have obviously exceeded,

0:48:59.400 --> 0:49:00.920
<v Speaker 2>But if I have to pick one. I think it's

0:49:00.920 --> 0:49:03.560
<v Speaker 2>got to be Cole Young because I don't think we

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.279
<v Speaker 2>expected Cole Young to play this type of defense after

0:49:06.320 --> 0:49:08.720
<v Speaker 2>what he showed in his rookie year. Because his rookie

0:49:08.760 --> 0:49:10.600
<v Speaker 2>year there was some real bumps in the road with

0:49:10.680 --> 0:49:12.960
<v Speaker 2>his second base defense. Now all of a sudden, you

0:49:13.040 --> 0:49:15.799
<v Speaker 2>turn around and he's been awesome over there. So I

0:49:15.840 --> 0:49:18.319
<v Speaker 2>think we all believe there was a world that can

0:49:18.440 --> 0:49:21.120
<v Speaker 2>Zone could have a good season at the played offensively

0:49:21.560 --> 0:49:23.560
<v Speaker 2>after the spurt that he showed in the second half

0:49:23.600 --> 0:49:26.840
<v Speaker 2>of last year. But to see what Cole Young's done

0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:30.680
<v Speaker 2>on defense after what he displayed in his rookie season,

0:49:31.160 --> 0:49:33.439
<v Speaker 2>paired with the fact that he's actually got a chance

0:49:33.480 --> 0:49:36.480
<v Speaker 2>to be a twenty home run second baseman, I'd say,

0:49:36.480 --> 0:49:39.040
<v Speaker 2>Cole Young, this is tough.

0:49:39.120 --> 0:49:41.479
<v Speaker 1>I kind of lean the other direction here.

0:49:41.880 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 2>Hold up, maybe I haven't looked in a while. What

0:49:44.920 --> 0:49:50.040
<v Speaker 2>happened to Cole's defense is about where it was. It's

0:49:50.120 --> 0:49:53.040
<v Speaker 2>way down is oas in the eighteenth percentile now.

0:49:53.920 --> 0:49:57.640
<v Speaker 1>Was DRS has stayed about the same sense about.

0:49:57.520 --> 0:50:01.840
<v Speaker 2>May Well, that's good. Honestly, Sometimes defensive run saved is

0:50:01.880 --> 0:50:04.839
<v Speaker 2>a better metric for infielders and OA is the better

0:50:04.880 --> 0:50:09.080
<v Speaker 2>metric for outfielders, So I guess that's a good sign

0:50:09.120 --> 0:50:12.960
<v Speaker 2>if he's If he's still putting up good numbers by drs, the.

0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.560
<v Speaker 1>Defense I think is like stabilized a little bit. It hasn't.

0:50:15.760 --> 0:50:18.640
<v Speaker 1>He's not entering like an Andrelton Simmons level of like

0:50:18.719 --> 0:50:20.320
<v Speaker 1>plus thirty drs.

0:50:20.640 --> 0:50:22.960
<v Speaker 2>That's fair. But yeah, he's still been good.

0:50:23.000 --> 0:50:25.000
<v Speaker 1>He's had a very good overall season.

0:50:25.520 --> 0:50:27.960
<v Speaker 2>Young has actually, yeah, so by defensive run saved, he's

0:50:27.960 --> 0:50:29.560
<v Speaker 2>still got twelve of them for the year, which is

0:50:29.680 --> 0:50:30.080
<v Speaker 2>very good.

0:50:30.160 --> 0:50:33.160
<v Speaker 1>Okay, so like well, but he did have like eleven

0:50:33.160 --> 0:50:36.880
<v Speaker 1>of them by May. Sure, yeah, but you know what,

0:50:37.000 --> 0:50:38.760
<v Speaker 1>some further content, but you know what.

0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 2>Man by Baseball Reference, he might end the season as

0:50:41.160 --> 0:50:43.839
<v Speaker 2>a legit four win player. And I don't think most

0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:45.879
<v Speaker 2>people had that on their Bengo card for Cole Young

0:50:45.920 --> 0:50:48.040
<v Speaker 2>in year two as a twenty two year old.

0:50:48.680 --> 0:50:51.600
<v Speaker 1>No, but I do remember we weren't totally bought in

0:50:51.640 --> 0:50:54.319
<v Speaker 1>on dom can zone at the start of his season, right,

0:50:54.840 --> 0:50:57.359
<v Speaker 1>And he's far and away been or maybe not far

0:50:57.400 --> 0:50:59.879
<v Speaker 1>and away, but he's been the Mariners' most consistent hitter

0:51:00.480 --> 0:51:03.480
<v Speaker 1>this season, and he has I think really shown us

0:51:03.480 --> 0:51:04.840
<v Speaker 1>what he could do at the plate, Like, listen to

0:51:04.840 --> 0:51:07.919
<v Speaker 1>this consistency. By month, April he had a one forty

0:51:07.960 --> 0:51:10.479
<v Speaker 1>four WRC, plus May he had a one twenty four,

0:51:10.920 --> 0:51:12.839
<v Speaker 1>Junie had a one ninety one, and July he had

0:51:12.840 --> 0:51:15.840
<v Speaker 1>a one twenty one. Yeah, that's way better than what

0:51:15.880 --> 0:51:19.320
<v Speaker 1>I would have thought. There's no valleys, like the difference

0:51:19.320 --> 0:51:22.879
<v Speaker 1>between him and Luke Rayley are staggering when it comes

0:51:22.880 --> 0:51:26.120
<v Speaker 1>to consistency. Yeah, I think I think that shows a

0:51:26.120 --> 0:51:27.440
<v Speaker 1>lot for Dom. I think I'm gonna I think I'm

0:51:27.440 --> 0:51:28.680
<v Speaker 1>gonna lean down with this answer.

0:51:29.719 --> 0:51:32.359
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna make one more one more point for Cole

0:51:32.600 --> 0:51:35.759
<v Speaker 2>because speaking of consistency, I don't think you can talk

0:51:35.800 --> 0:51:39.720
<v Speaker 2>about Cole Young without mentioning this. He's played every game.

0:51:40.520 --> 0:51:43.239
<v Speaker 2>He's been in every game this year. Remember how last

0:51:43.280 --> 0:51:46.600
<v Speaker 2>September he ran out of gas and the Mariners basically

0:51:46.640 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 2>stopped playing him, and then he wasn't on the postseason roster.

0:51:50.040 --> 0:51:52.120
<v Speaker 2>He's turned that around and he has been so durable

0:51:52.120 --> 0:51:56.280
<v Speaker 2>that he's played every single day. I mean that means something.

0:51:57.520 --> 0:52:02.120
<v Speaker 1>It definitely does. Cameron I Patreon asks, do you guys

0:52:02.160 --> 0:52:04.640
<v Speaker 1>think we will see Michael Arroyo called up? Or when

0:52:04.719 --> 0:52:07.400
<v Speaker 1>will we'll think Michael Royal could be called up.

0:52:08.200 --> 0:52:09.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean, if they don't go get a right handed

0:52:09.880 --> 0:52:12.160
<v Speaker 2>bat at the deadline, don't you feel like it's got

0:52:12.160 --> 0:52:14.600
<v Speaker 2>a chance to be pretty soon. I know you can't

0:52:14.680 --> 0:52:17.399
<v Speaker 2>take everything you see in Tacoma that seriously, because it's

0:52:17.440 --> 0:52:19.520
<v Speaker 2>such a bambox of a league and a hitter's park.

0:52:19.560 --> 0:52:23.320
<v Speaker 2>But Michael Royo is crushing the baseball down in Tacoma

0:52:23.880 --> 0:52:25.960
<v Speaker 2>to the point where it makes you think, yeah, he

0:52:26.040 --> 0:52:28.200
<v Speaker 2>might need a new challenge here soon, even though he

0:52:28.200 --> 0:52:31.280
<v Speaker 2>hasn't played that many games in Triple A. I think

0:52:31.440 --> 0:52:36.279
<v Speaker 2>there's becoming a much, much more real possibility that we're

0:52:36.320 --> 0:52:38.480
<v Speaker 2>gonna see Royal before the end of the season. So

0:52:38.560 --> 0:52:40.920
<v Speaker 2>maybe on September first, maybe when rosters expand.

0:52:42.320 --> 0:52:43.640
<v Speaker 1>I think if they don't trade for a bat at

0:52:43.640 --> 0:52:44.920
<v Speaker 1>the deadline, he's up next week.

0:52:45.480 --> 0:52:51.000
<v Speaker 2>Oh wow, okay, get do you want drastic change? I

0:52:51.040 --> 0:52:54.719
<v Speaker 2>mean it might spark plug something. It's gotta try.

0:52:54.960 --> 0:52:56.799
<v Speaker 1>It's time to start throwing stuff at the wall. If

0:52:56.800 --> 0:52:59.120
<v Speaker 1>they don't, if they can't find a deal they like

0:52:59.640 --> 0:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>by Monday, yeah, you're starting to throw shit at the wall.

0:53:03.000 --> 0:53:05.279
<v Speaker 1>And you're saying, all right, like clearly, Michael you can

0:53:05.320 --> 0:53:09.080
<v Speaker 1>hit in triple A, so can everyone else. Let's let's

0:53:09.120 --> 0:53:10.719
<v Speaker 1>show you what Let's see what you can do at

0:53:10.719 --> 0:53:14.160
<v Speaker 1>the big league level and hopefully you can help us. Yeah,

0:53:14.200 --> 0:53:17.480
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<v Speaker 1>marine Layer. Ralph on Patreon asks is there any way

0:54:27.719 --> 0:54:29.560
<v Speaker 1>and he said he was looking and he couldn't find one.

0:54:29.600 --> 0:54:33.239
<v Speaker 1>Is there any way to quantify Dan Wilson's impact on

0:54:33.400 --> 0:54:36.240
<v Speaker 1>wins and losses within a season? Is there a number

0:54:36.360 --> 0:54:39.080
<v Speaker 1>out there that shows that kind of impact.

0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.200
<v Speaker 2>I don't think so, because there's just not manager war.

0:54:42.920 --> 0:54:47.120
<v Speaker 2>I wish there was. Now, there was a pretty interesting

0:54:47.920 --> 0:54:53.440
<v Speaker 2>data point that a Tiger's analytics Twitter account posted a

0:54:53.520 --> 0:54:57.520
<v Speaker 2>couple months ago or maybe a month ago, showing the

0:54:57.560 --> 0:55:01.120
<v Speaker 2>success rate of endgame decisions by managers and Dan Wilson

0:55:01.160 --> 0:55:03.200
<v Speaker 2>Shocker ranked in the bottom third of the league. It

0:55:03.280 --> 0:55:06.600
<v Speaker 2>was not good. So that's the closest thing we've had

0:55:06.600 --> 0:55:11.759
<v Speaker 2>to something that's quantitative. But I don't think there's anything

0:55:11.840 --> 0:55:12.960
<v Speaker 2>definitive you can find.

0:55:13.719 --> 0:55:18.799
<v Speaker 1>Hmmm, I'm I'm I think the best thing I could

0:55:18.800 --> 0:55:23.160
<v Speaker 1>find is like one run game win loss record, Like

0:55:23.200 --> 0:55:26.440
<v Speaker 1>that's it's close, but even still, Dan doesn't have total

0:55:26.520 --> 0:55:31.040
<v Speaker 1>control of the Mariners performance in one run games, so

0:55:31.320 --> 0:55:34.880
<v Speaker 1>it's it's tough, Like honestly, this is an old school

0:55:35.200 --> 0:55:38.960
<v Speaker 1>eye test and like a yes no? Or was a

0:55:39.680 --> 0:55:43.480
<v Speaker 1>was a bullpen decision? Successful? Like does it? Does that

0:55:43.600 --> 0:55:46.400
<v Speaker 1>check out? That's why a lot of this for managers

0:55:46.400 --> 0:55:49.200
<v Speaker 1>comes down to process over results, Like is is a

0:55:49.239 --> 0:55:52.640
<v Speaker 1>manager's process good? Does he think about the game the

0:55:52.680 --> 0:55:54.920
<v Speaker 1>right way? Is he thinking about his matchups within a

0:55:54.960 --> 0:55:58.080
<v Speaker 1>baseball game and the decision he decisions he's gonna make

0:55:58.440 --> 0:56:00.560
<v Speaker 1>make and how he operates his club? Else? Is the

0:56:00.640 --> 0:56:04.360
<v Speaker 1>process of that good? And the answer to that for

0:56:04.480 --> 0:56:07.000
<v Speaker 1>Dan Wilson is we don't really know what it is

0:56:07.120 --> 0:56:10.120
<v Speaker 1>because he just doesn't say it, doesn't really say what

0:56:10.160 --> 0:56:12.960
<v Speaker 1>it is how he manages his players besides the fact

0:56:12.960 --> 0:56:16.000
<v Speaker 1>he's hands off, and we don't know his process for

0:56:16.080 --> 0:56:20.120
<v Speaker 1>making decisions besides like yeah it worked or didn't?

0:56:20.560 --> 0:56:23.520
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, his process is not good. In fact, I

0:56:23.560 --> 0:56:26.439
<v Speaker 2>say it's bad because while he doesn't explain it, we've

0:56:26.440 --> 0:56:28.399
<v Speaker 2>seen it play out on the field and it blows

0:56:28.480 --> 0:56:29.640
<v Speaker 2>up in their face half the time.

0:56:30.160 --> 0:56:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Well more or less, Yeah it's bad. And we also

0:56:32.600 --> 0:56:33.520
<v Speaker 1>don't know what it is.

0:56:34.560 --> 0:56:36.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I think both are true.

0:56:36.440 --> 0:56:39.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, So to answer your question, Ralph, no, there's not.

0:56:40.120 --> 0:56:45.120
<v Speaker 1>I think eventually someone will find something something the maybe

0:56:45.200 --> 0:56:49.040
<v Speaker 1>on Baseball Savant will find they'll cook up cook up

0:56:49.080 --> 0:56:51.239
<v Speaker 1>a stat for managers. But as of right now, I

0:56:51.280 --> 0:56:56.960
<v Speaker 1>don't think we have one. Nick on Patreon asks to

0:56:57.200 --> 0:57:00.000
<v Speaker 1>follow up to Ralph's question, saying he wants to piggy

0:57:00.040 --> 0:57:04.120
<v Speaker 1>act on that question, what is a run handicap that

0:57:04.160 --> 0:57:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the Mariners, simply due to Dan's decision making, would have

0:57:07.600 --> 0:57:11.960
<v Speaker 1>in a seven game series? So, for example, the Mariners

0:57:12.000 --> 0:57:14.680
<v Speaker 1>would have a negative two run handicap and a seven

0:57:14.719 --> 0:57:16.840
<v Speaker 1>game series based on dance decisions.

0:57:18.760 --> 0:57:20.640
<v Speaker 2>Well, if it was negative too, they still would have

0:57:20.640 --> 0:57:24.480
<v Speaker 2>lost in Game seven, wouldn't they Because it's a three

0:57:24.560 --> 0:57:25.760
<v Speaker 2>run homer that Springer hit.

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<v Speaker 1>But they were they were up to Blue Jays, right, Yeah,

0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:34.480
<v Speaker 1>they ended up up to so it was it would

0:57:34.480 --> 0:57:36.120
<v Speaker 1>have been net even they would have tired. They would

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<v Speaker 1>have gone extras.

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<v Speaker 3>Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean two runs sounds right? Two runs is a

0:57:43.680 --> 0:57:45.920
<v Speaker 1>single Kerry Carpenter home run with a runner on.

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<v Speaker 2>All right?

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<v Speaker 1>Sure this is both those, both the big decisions and

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<v Speaker 1>the or I guess the two biggest decisions of the playoffs.

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<v Speaker 1>Both were like NET two in some way.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, they were Okay, two.

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<v Speaker 1>Run sounds right once you get into bigger runs. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>if it's if your manager is costing you four runs

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<v Speaker 1>in a series, like that's that's really bad. I don't

0:58:07.200 --> 0:58:09.480
<v Speaker 1>even think Dan's cost them four runs in a series.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think has he.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think off the top of my head, but

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<v Speaker 2>I won't say yes for sure. Go back to the

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<v Speaker 2>monitor and we check, yeah for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. Caate on Patreon asks what are your thoughts on

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<v Speaker 1>trading Emerson Hancock to the White Sox for Braden Montgomery?

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<v Speaker 2>So I tweeted this idea out because shout out to

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<v Speaker 2>this question. I mean, honestly, Caden brings a really good

0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:35.280
<v Speaker 2>question to the table. This is the name I had

0:58:35.280 --> 0:58:37.200
<v Speaker 2>not thought about. If I thought about it, I think

0:58:37.240 --> 0:58:38.560
<v Speaker 2>it would have been a good one to bring up

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<v Speaker 2>to Adam Jude. I would be intrigued by the return

0:58:42.960 --> 0:58:46.240
<v Speaker 2>on this because this is the type of player where

0:58:46.280 --> 0:58:50.240
<v Speaker 2>you could stomach trading away one of your starting pitchers.

0:58:50.280 --> 0:58:53.200
<v Speaker 2>Because Braidon Montgomery is not perfect. He hasn't hit for

0:58:53.240 --> 0:58:55.520
<v Speaker 2>a ton of power in the minor leagues. His Savan

0:58:55.600 --> 0:58:58.880
<v Speaker 2>Page is a rookie, is not perfect offensively by any stretch,

0:58:59.720 --> 0:59:03.560
<v Speaker 2>but he is a switch hitting outfielder whose service clock

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<v Speaker 2>just started because this is his first season in the

0:59:05.760 --> 0:59:10.880
<v Speaker 2>big leagues. He is a very good defender. He has

0:59:10.920 --> 0:59:14.800
<v Speaker 2>a strong arm, he's got speed, he's a good athlete.

0:59:14.840 --> 0:59:18.480
<v Speaker 2>He's a former first round pick. This feels like the

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<v Speaker 2>type of guy that could turn into an everyday player

0:59:20.760 --> 0:59:24.160
<v Speaker 2>for you, that has the chance to be a player

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<v Speaker 2>of some impact. So look, I like the idea. I

0:59:28.200 --> 0:59:29.880
<v Speaker 2>don't know if the White Sox would go for this,

0:59:29.920 --> 0:59:32.960
<v Speaker 2>because I think they view Bradon Montgomery as a potential

0:59:32.960 --> 0:59:36.600
<v Speaker 2>All Star outfielder one day, but I would be intrigued.

0:59:36.880 --> 0:59:39.280
<v Speaker 2>I would stomach that return, okay, if that's what they

0:59:39.360 --> 0:59:40.280
<v Speaker 2>got back for a starter.

0:59:41.680 --> 0:59:45.920
<v Speaker 1>I like the idea. So we checked in with our

0:59:45.960 --> 0:59:49.560
<v Speaker 1>friend Elijah Evans, who also works at Just Baseball. He's

0:59:49.600 --> 0:59:52.560
<v Speaker 1>a big White Sox fan covers the White Sox, so

0:59:52.840 --> 0:59:56.200
<v Speaker 1>we pitched this idea to him. He said, unlikely, but

0:59:56.280 --> 1:00:00.600
<v Speaker 1>not impossible, which kind of makes me think, like, how

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<v Speaker 1>much would you have to overpay for Braid Montgomery. So

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<v Speaker 1>his pitch was that the White Sox don't have enough

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<v Speaker 1>depth in their outfield, in their farm system to justify

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<v Speaker 1>trading someone like Braid Montgomery. So I'm like, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>if you have to make it worth it to them,

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<v Speaker 1>like an overpay to make the White Sox clearly say yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is trading Emerson Hancock and lazarro Montes for Braid Montgomery.

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<v Speaker 1>But I know that's never gonna happen. Why would you

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<v Speaker 1>trade Why would you trade that kind of capital for

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<v Speaker 1>a guy who is still a prospect. I couldn't justify that.

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<v Speaker 1>It would be some teams would think it's an overpay

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<v Speaker 1>if you traded Emerson Hancock straight up for Braiden Montgomery.

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<v Speaker 1>But that's like the best the Mariners could offer. And

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<v Speaker 1>if the White Sox wouldn't say yes to that, then

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if there was something they would say

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<v Speaker 1>yes to.

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<v Speaker 2>Right again, I think Braid Montgomery had some really nice

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<v Speaker 2>upside and like does he have the chance to be

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<v Speaker 2>an All star outfielder? Yeah, But that also might be

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<v Speaker 2>why the White Sox don't want to give them up.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think they feel like he, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>isn't going to be a guy that strikes out a ton.

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<v Speaker 2>He's already not striking out a ton in the big leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>It's about a twenty percent rate as a rookie, which

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<v Speaker 2>is a pretty good sign. So there are Again, they

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<v Speaker 2>are nice tools to Brad Montgomery's game, and I would

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<v Speaker 2>be pretty happy with that return if that's what they got.

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<v Speaker 2>But it would probably be hard to get the White

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<v Speaker 2>Sox to say yes to giving them away, especially because

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<v Speaker 2>the White Sox farm system isn't loaded with outfielders. I

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<v Speaker 2>think they liked the idea of having Montgomery and Antonachi

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<v Speaker 2>and a couple of those other guys form up their

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<v Speaker 2>outfield for a long time.

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<v Speaker 1>From the trade values we've seen so far at this deadline,

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<v Speaker 1>is Braidon Montgomery more valuable than Curtis Mead? Do you think?

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<v Speaker 2>Current moment?

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<v Speaker 3>No?

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<v Speaker 2>But it's more of a long term outlook.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, But the teams factor it in when they're trading

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<v Speaker 1>for a player like that. I mean I would argue, yes, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean even though Curtis Mead was a prospect for

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<v Speaker 1>the for the for the Rays like he used to

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<v Speaker 1>keep a currently not quite as much, but he still

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<v Speaker 1>netted you a whole pitcher, right, Brad Montgomery's more valuable

1:02:07.880 --> 1:02:11.360
<v Speaker 1>than Curtis meat Is and it's like, Okay, then maybe

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<v Speaker 1>it does lean towards Emerson in a prospect for him,

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<v Speaker 1>But I you know at that point, like, again, you're

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<v Speaker 1>giving up a lot of capital for a guy who

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<v Speaker 1>still is unproven in the big leagues.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, it's a risk.

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<v Speaker 1>It'd certainly be a risk, but maybe the murders have

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<v Speaker 1>to take a risk at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And again, he could end up hitting for some power.

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<v Speaker 2>He's certainly hit for power in college, Like could Montgomery

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<v Speaker 2>be a twenty twenty guy at some point? Possible, but

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<v Speaker 2>it would be a hard one to pull off. But

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<v Speaker 2>I really like the question, Kad, because I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>a very interesting player that I like and a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people like. And I don't think a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>people have thrown out that name. So it's a unique

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<v Speaker 2>idea and I'm glad we're having some more names being

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<v Speaker 2>thrown out there that are kind of outside the box

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<v Speaker 2>thinking in a good way.

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<v Speaker 1>David wraps us up on Patreon and asks, how about

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<v Speaker 1>Pete Fairbanks potent being acquired?

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<v Speaker 2>If you had asked me a couple of years ago,

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<v Speaker 2>I would have said, awesome, It's just Pete Fairbanks has

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<v Speaker 2>really really had a tough go of it. It can't

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<v Speaker 2>be your move for a reliever if that's what you're doing, like,

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<v Speaker 2>you got to go get a leverage reliever and him,

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<v Speaker 2>because he is sitting with an era that's approaching seven

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<v Speaker 2>this year.

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<v Speaker 1>He could pitch in your Carlos Vargas role. Yeah, for

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<v Speaker 1>Ben Carlos Vargas from coming back onto the roster right again.

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<v Speaker 2>Pete Fairbanks is a big name once upon a time,

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<v Speaker 2>pitching some big games, and he was a leverage reliever

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<v Speaker 2>for the Rays in a lot of those years where

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<v Speaker 2>they were a dominant team. But it I just don't

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<v Speaker 2>think he's the same guy anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>He's still really good against left, uh not left, he's

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<v Speaker 1>against right. He's he's allowing a sub six hundred ops there,

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<v Speaker 1>but against lefties it's like a lost cause over a

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<v Speaker 1>thousand ops. They're destroying him. Almost all of the damage

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<v Speaker 1>done against peer Pete Fairbanks this year is when he

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<v Speaker 1>has to face a left handed hitter. That's not for

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<v Speaker 1>a reliever. I mean, as a reliever, especially a writer reliever,

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<v Speaker 1>you should be able to get both out and if

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<v Speaker 1>you can't, it's it's tough. It's a really tough sell

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<v Speaker 1>to a team to be a reliable guy. But if

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<v Speaker 1>if Pete Fairbanks comes to the Mariners to pitch in

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth inning, like, I'm fine with that, which is

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<v Speaker 1>what he is at this point. He's a sixth thinning

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<v Speaker 1>reliever until proven otherwise.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, is Zra is sitting at like seven this year?

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<v Speaker 1>Do you want him pitching in the sixth I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>I'd rather him than Michael Rucker.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, okay, but if you get Fairbanks, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>go get somebody else too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, one hundred percent. No, No, to be Pete Fairbanks

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<v Speaker 1>is in no way your only option.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, okay, so we're we're on the same page there now. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>as always, you guys really bring it with the creativity

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<v Speaker 2>of these questions, because as we approach the trade deadline,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot to talk about. There's certainly a lot

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<v Speaker 2>to talk about with the team right now, not all

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