1 00:00:05,160 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to stuff 2 00:00:07,400 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: I Never told you Protection of iHeart Radio, and today 3 00:00:19,640 --> 00:00:22,720 Speaker 1: we are very very excited to bring you an interview 4 00:00:22,720 --> 00:00:25,560 Speaker 1: segment with a lovely listener in front of the show, 5 00:00:25,640 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: Jamie Summers, who we got to talking and realize this 6 00:00:28,440 --> 00:00:31,760 Speaker 1: this is a whole episode, but if you haven't heard 7 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:36,720 Speaker 1: our previous episode we just did on twitch and a 8 00:00:36,720 --> 00:00:39,440 Speaker 1: brief history of Twitch and some of the issues around Twitch, 9 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:42,559 Speaker 1: check that one out first for some context. Jamie has 10 00:00:42,640 --> 00:00:46,519 Speaker 1: some great insights and personal experience, so we thought that 11 00:00:46,600 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 1: much just add so much to hear from somebody, because 12 00:00:48,640 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 1: if you've heard the previous episode, Samantha and I don't 13 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: have a lot of know how when it comes to twitch. Yeah, 14 00:00:57,360 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I've got some ideas. The wheels are turning. 15 00:01:01,480 --> 00:01:04,800 Speaker 1: So listeners, if you got any support or like, please 16 00:01:04,840 --> 00:01:08,080 Speaker 1: don't do it. Any replies you want to give, you 17 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:11,200 Speaker 1: can send them her away. But yeah, let's dive right 18 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 1: into this interview and today we are thrilled to be 19 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 1: joined by a friend of the show, general wonderful human 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,840 Speaker 1: being who sends us things, the best thing, the best things, 21 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,840 Speaker 1: Jamie Summers. Thank you so much for joining us, Jamie, 22 00:01:25,920 --> 00:01:28,520 Speaker 1: it's absolutely my pleasure. Thanks for having me. Yes, s 23 00:01:28,720 --> 00:01:30,959 Speaker 1: a chess. We were so excited to have you because 24 00:01:31,080 --> 00:01:34,640 Speaker 1: we've been lucky enough to get to correspond with you 25 00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: and get to know you through that, but this is 26 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:39,920 Speaker 1: the first time we're seeing each other face to face 27 00:01:40,000 --> 00:01:47,440 Speaker 1: and talking. The magic of technology, that's right, remember actually 28 00:01:47,480 --> 00:01:49,560 Speaker 1: being I was on one of your live streams, though 29 00:01:49,560 --> 00:01:51,280 Speaker 1: there was one time that happened and I was able 30 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,960 Speaker 1: to get on because I'm in Atlanta and you're in California. 31 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,320 Speaker 1: Was like, oh, let mean you have to get on there. 32 00:01:55,360 --> 00:01:56,640 Speaker 1: I got to get get on there. So I'm like, 33 00:01:57,240 --> 00:01:59,920 Speaker 1: I feel like this is even better of course, but 34 00:02:00,160 --> 00:02:05,440 Speaker 1: like I've seen her heard me, uh cursing like a 35 00:02:05,520 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: sailor in the middle of the game, because I'm like, 36 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:13,680 Speaker 1: that would be yes. And I remember one of the 37 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:16,480 Speaker 1: very first when I first started working here listener males 38 00:02:16,480 --> 00:02:18,800 Speaker 1: that I responded it was from you, and it was fantastic. 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: Thank you. Yes, yes, yes, yes, But can you introduce 40 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,360 Speaker 1: yourself to the listeners for us please? All right, Well, 41 00:02:27,440 --> 00:02:30,960 Speaker 1: my name is Jamie summers Um. I have been going 42 00:02:31,040 --> 00:02:35,160 Speaker 1: by dark Sakara since before. Some of the people who 43 00:02:35,160 --> 00:02:38,919 Speaker 1: watched me were born. I got the name the name 44 00:02:38,960 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: Sakara as a Japanese major, and then I moved to 45 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:46,320 Speaker 1: California and changed my major. But I'm originally from Alabama. 46 00:02:46,680 --> 00:02:51,440 Speaker 1: I transplanted to California some couple of decades ago, and 47 00:02:51,800 --> 00:02:59,480 Speaker 1: I have been a gamer since gosh, the seventies. When 48 00:02:59,520 --> 00:03:01,800 Speaker 1: I was like two or three. My first movie was 49 00:03:01,840 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: Star Wars Jealous. I was nine months old, so I 50 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:11,239 Speaker 1: don't remember anything. But I grew up playing video games 51 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,000 Speaker 1: since I was a little kid, and like, I have 52 00:03:15,160 --> 00:03:18,840 Speaker 1: memories of only being able to play Frogger on roller skates. 53 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:24,480 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so I'm just all around nerd. I love 54 00:03:24,639 --> 00:03:27,880 Speaker 1: just about any game, except for like only one sports game, 55 00:03:28,880 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: which is a super high impact on Supernintendo. I love 56 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:35,680 Speaker 1: about you left that hanging. I was like that the 57 00:03:35,760 --> 00:03:40,600 Speaker 1: sports game knows what it did. Yes, like dear sports ball. 58 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: Do you're saying somewhere else? Yeah? So you've been involved 59 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,680 Speaker 1: in gaming for a long time. I'm curious because today 60 00:03:49,720 --> 00:03:53,520 Speaker 1: we're talking about Twitch and a lot of what's going 61 00:03:53,560 --> 00:03:55,080 Speaker 1: on with it, especially when it comes to women in 62 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,480 Speaker 1: non binary folks. Because you have been involved in Twitch 63 00:03:58,480 --> 00:04:01,600 Speaker 1: for a while, can you talk about how that sort 64 00:04:01,640 --> 00:04:06,400 Speaker 1: of happened and how you you took your gaming to Twitch. Well, 65 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: it actually originally started with uh with my podcast because 66 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: we tried to do video casting after we were done 67 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:17,400 Speaker 1: with Live through sixty five, which is how we used 68 00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 1: to do it live. Um, we went to this thing 69 00:04:19,839 --> 00:04:24,160 Speaker 1: called justin TV and that kind of showed me like 70 00:04:24,320 --> 00:04:28,320 Speaker 1: some of the sides of of streaming in general. And well, 71 00:04:28,400 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: later on justin TV became Twitch Now. I also used 72 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:36,839 Speaker 1: to stream doing my artwork on live stream, which was 73 00:04:36,920 --> 00:04:42,479 Speaker 1: a different service, and I was like, I like video games, 74 00:04:42,640 --> 00:04:45,279 Speaker 1: and there's the streaming service and a few of my 75 00:04:45,360 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: friends have talked about it. I'll give it a go. 76 00:04:47,960 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: I have a very obscure collection of video games. Um, 77 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: I like weird games. And hey, no one is streaming 78 00:04:55,440 --> 00:05:01,520 Speaker 1: hot to full boyfriend. So the pigeon dating game, so 79 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:04,240 Speaker 1: that's new to me. There's a whole back story. I'll 80 00:05:04,240 --> 00:05:08,520 Speaker 1: sindy stuff on later started an April Fool Joke in 81 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Japan is a web based game and developed the fandom. 82 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,839 Speaker 1: It's like the Goose game. No, it's a dating sim 83 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: with pigeons. Wow, occup going farther and farther away, all right, 84 00:05:20,279 --> 00:05:23,240 Speaker 1: we'll come back to this later. You're not. But I 85 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: like the offbeat games like that. This is something that 86 00:05:26,480 --> 00:05:30,960 Speaker 1: people go weird. And so I started on Twitch in 87 00:05:31,000 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: two seventeen, um, just streaming really sporadically, but I had 88 00:05:36,080 --> 00:05:39,880 Speaker 1: some bad experiences that pushed me off the platform. And 89 00:05:39,920 --> 00:05:45,800 Speaker 1: then you know, fast forward to Pandemic and you know, 90 00:05:45,839 --> 00:05:48,239 Speaker 1: I've been playing a lot of a lot of animal 91 00:05:48,279 --> 00:05:51,520 Speaker 1: crossing and then I was looking for something new to play. 92 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:55,200 Speaker 1: And so my friends like, hey, watched this streamer play 93 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 1: Dead by Daylight and I was like okay, and we 94 00:05:59,520 --> 00:06:02,719 Speaker 1: got to be friends, and I met other people playing 95 00:06:02,720 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 1: Dead by Daylight and I was like, if I am 96 00:06:05,560 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: going to learn to play this game, I'm going to 97 00:06:08,200 --> 00:06:11,560 Speaker 1: do it publicly and embarrass myself because it will keep 98 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,560 Speaker 1: me playing it. So I went back on Twitch, I 99 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:18,560 Speaker 1: re reactivated my channel. I started streaming my very first, 100 00:06:18,800 --> 00:06:23,159 Speaker 1: really terrible game of Dead by Daylight. And I've gotten 101 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:29,000 Speaker 1: I've gotten better, but it's a it gives me something 102 00:06:29,080 --> 00:06:33,040 Speaker 1: to do. I get to meet new people. I I've 103 00:06:33,120 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: met a lot of people, and it was nice to 104 00:06:35,680 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: put faces, like in real life flesh faces instead of 105 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: video faces. When I went to Twitch Con very recently, 106 00:06:43,720 --> 00:06:48,599 Speaker 1: and the especially the Dead by Daylight community has the 107 00:06:48,880 --> 00:06:54,120 Speaker 1: lgbt q I A plus circle is pretty supportive, and 108 00:06:54,160 --> 00:06:57,560 Speaker 1: I felt welcomed almost immediately, and it encouraged me to 109 00:06:57,600 --> 00:07:00,560 Speaker 1: branch out into other things that I love. So I'm 110 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: also streaming classic s E S RPGs, especially ones that 111 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 1: either never came out over here or had remakes that 112 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 1: came out over here, like I'm playing Final Fantasy five 113 00:07:13,320 --> 00:07:17,240 Speaker 1: right now, and then my other obsession, Cult of the Lamb. 114 00:07:17,960 --> 00:07:20,840 Speaker 1: So it's basically, when I find a game that I 115 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:24,320 Speaker 1: really love, I stream it because if I love it, 116 00:07:24,360 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 1: I want to share it with other people and engage 117 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: other people so where they might branch out of their 118 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: comfort zone and play different things. And on top of that, uh, 119 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:39,800 Speaker 1: women in general, whether or not you identify completely female 120 00:07:39,880 --> 00:07:42,480 Speaker 1: or like me as Parai female which is mostly female 121 00:07:42,520 --> 00:07:45,080 Speaker 1: to a little such a dude thrown in, we're like 122 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:50,800 Speaker 1: just under twent of the streamers on Twitch, and we 123 00:07:50,960 --> 00:07:52,920 Speaker 1: definitely need to have more of us out there and 124 00:07:52,960 --> 00:07:56,880 Speaker 1: we're representing, so that was another big factor for me 125 00:07:57,000 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: hopping into it. And and I'm I'm ace a sexual. 126 00:08:02,320 --> 00:08:06,400 Speaker 1: We are unicorns and we need to come out of 127 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 1: the shadows before you know, Tim Curry hunts us down. 128 00:08:10,400 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, legend reference and I got that reference, thank you, 129 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:18,800 Speaker 1: thank you. Any was confused. I actually got that reference 130 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: to currys waiting to murder me. What he plays a 131 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:25,240 Speaker 1: really scary looking devil. It petrified me. It was Tom 132 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: Cruise's first film. I've talked about this, but I can't 133 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:41,640 Speaker 1: watch the unicorn scene, but I digress. Oh my gosh. Okay, Well, so, 134 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:43,840 Speaker 1: I love what you said about the community aspects. I'm 135 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,200 Speaker 1: curious about that because I've never really used twitch and 136 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: so and Samantha correct me if I'm wrong. You haven't 137 00:08:50,800 --> 00:08:55,559 Speaker 1: really know very little, right, um, but that is something 138 00:08:55,600 --> 00:08:58,000 Speaker 1: that we came across when we were reading. We saw 139 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:03,640 Speaker 1: similar numbers that you do around women, um, and also 140 00:09:03,720 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: just some of this toxicity. But we also saw a 141 00:09:05,559 --> 00:09:07,480 Speaker 1: lot of stuff of people saying like, but I found 142 00:09:07,480 --> 00:09:09,880 Speaker 1: this community, and I found this community. So if you 143 00:09:09,920 --> 00:09:16,480 Speaker 1: could expand on that, well, um. This also ties back 144 00:09:16,520 --> 00:09:20,240 Speaker 1: a little bit to to my show is that one 145 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:23,199 Speaker 1: of my co hosts is out gay, and so he 146 00:09:23,280 --> 00:09:28,240 Speaker 1: introduced me to UH to the Dead by Daylight l 147 00:09:28,280 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: g B t Q I a community first and foremost 148 00:09:31,080 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 1: Rob and his husband Allen, and they both stream as well, 149 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:36,679 Speaker 1: so it was sort of through through them that I 150 00:09:36,720 --> 00:09:40,319 Speaker 1: was able to to meet I started off meeting what 151 00:09:40,520 --> 00:09:43,040 Speaker 1: I say, the right people, you know, the people that 152 00:09:43,160 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: I could identify with, the people that felt similarly to me. 153 00:09:47,640 --> 00:09:53,200 Speaker 1: That and the community is just amazing, Like I think 154 00:09:53,280 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: the first person I started watching was Losing Color with 155 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:02,600 Speaker 1: a you, um amazing dead by Daylight player um and 156 00:10:02,679 --> 00:10:05,000 Speaker 1: just a delightful human being we finally got to meet 157 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: in person, and such a delightful person. But it was 158 00:10:08,480 --> 00:10:11,600 Speaker 1: through LC that I got to meet other people, other 159 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,679 Speaker 1: streamers in the community like Nick and prints um put 160 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: ins Um. I love everybody's names. Uh, you know, just 161 00:10:22,000 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: so many different people has lands leapin online. Just those 162 00:10:25,480 --> 00:10:28,600 Speaker 1: are but you know, but they're all guys, you know. 163 00:10:29,600 --> 00:10:32,040 Speaker 1: It was more through them than I started meeting some 164 00:10:32,120 --> 00:10:35,520 Speaker 1: of the trans women on UH in the Dead by 165 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:40,720 Speaker 1: Daylight community, like Howdy Kelsey really amazing, really amazing player 166 00:10:41,120 --> 00:10:45,480 Speaker 1: or uh the Leona oou you know, like the little 167 00:10:45,559 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: energy um and and I felt encouraged by just being 168 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 1: friends with them. They're always ready to talk you up 169 00:10:55,240 --> 00:10:57,080 Speaker 1: when you show up in the room to give you 170 00:10:57,120 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 1: a shout out, and it's kind of kept me doing 171 00:11:02,040 --> 00:11:04,000 Speaker 1: this even when I go into my chat and I 172 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:09,920 Speaker 1: have five people, you know. But it's the it's the 173 00:11:09,960 --> 00:11:14,000 Speaker 1: fact that people are very quick to defend each other, 174 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,160 Speaker 1: you know, very quick to stand up that you know, 175 00:11:17,240 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 1: they'll make sure that they're in the right when they 176 00:11:19,840 --> 00:11:24,480 Speaker 1: defend somebody. UM. And on top of that, like, I'm 177 00:11:24,480 --> 00:11:28,720 Speaker 1: actually doing a streaming marathon on November fift to raise 178 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: money for my mom's medical bills UM, and every last 179 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:35,960 Speaker 1: person in the community that I've reached out to says, yeah, 180 00:11:36,000 --> 00:11:37,600 Speaker 1: we'll play with you when you do it, and will 181 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,760 Speaker 1: help you promote it, and you can talk about it 182 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,200 Speaker 1: in our channel, and some of them have even already donated, 183 00:11:43,920 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: so and and on top of that, the other thing 184 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: I love about the community in general is that they 185 00:11:49,880 --> 00:11:53,320 Speaker 1: partner with streamers for a cause. Some of them do 186 00:11:53,960 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: UM raising money for medical research. Raising money for the 187 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: Trevor Project is one of the big ones that I 188 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,960 Speaker 1: see for UM. For l g B t q A youth, 189 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 1: They're always doing fun different types of fundraisers and tournaments 190 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,800 Speaker 1: to raise money and I like being a part of that, 191 00:12:14,200 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: given that I also am one of the Sisters of 192 00:12:16,440 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: Perpetual Indulgence. Um. Although I'm a rogue none that that 193 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:26,480 Speaker 1: part of doing good and being charitable was seeing that 194 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:29,760 Speaker 1: in this community. Is the other thing that that really 195 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 1: attracted me to this group. Yeah, and I guess for 196 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,720 Speaker 1: the listeners who don't know, do you want to explain 197 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: what the Sisters of professional Adults? I'm said here going 198 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:40,959 Speaker 1: I don't know if that's the real thing, so I'm 199 00:12:40,960 --> 00:12:43,960 Speaker 1: not going to ask. So the Sisters started in the 200 00:12:44,000 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 1: seventies in San Francisco, where a group of gay men 201 00:12:47,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: put on none habits to protest about the AIDS epidemic, 202 00:12:50,679 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 1: and it grew from there. It's now international. Um, we 203 00:12:54,080 --> 00:12:57,680 Speaker 1: have houses and many cities around the world. I separated 204 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:02,120 Speaker 1: from the local house though due to issue us of misogyny. Um. 205 00:13:02,200 --> 00:13:04,280 Speaker 1: So I'm a rogue nun. I do my own thing, 206 00:13:04,520 --> 00:13:08,360 Speaker 1: but I mostly uh do work now online and with 207 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:11,160 Speaker 1: the San Francisco House. I like them a lot. But yeah, 208 00:13:11,240 --> 00:13:13,920 Speaker 1: they they go out and raise money and help the 209 00:13:14,679 --> 00:13:18,599 Speaker 1: lgbt Q I a community, and you know, help with 210 00:13:19,280 --> 00:13:21,319 Speaker 1: like here. I know our group puts a lot into 211 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:25,160 Speaker 1: the Gender Health Center here to help people with their 212 00:13:25,200 --> 00:13:31,800 Speaker 1: identity and and the Sacramentaries Foundation. So we're basically we 213 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:35,679 Speaker 1: do the work of nuns. We go out there and 214 00:13:35,840 --> 00:13:39,559 Speaker 1: we do what we what we believe, except we just 215 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:43,679 Speaker 1: look a lot more fabulous, you know, put on that 216 00:13:43,920 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: put on that drag. I even my sister name is 217 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:52,240 Speaker 1: ve Kiki. That is some of the creative things that 218 00:13:52,360 --> 00:13:55,320 Speaker 1: I'm like, Wow, I did not know this was under 219 00:13:55,640 --> 00:13:58,360 Speaker 1: this umbrella of this community. That's amazing. One of the 220 00:13:58,440 --> 00:14:02,920 Speaker 1: originals with sister missionary position of course by a different 221 00:14:03,000 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: name now, but yeah, I love that. You know, I 222 00:14:21,400 --> 00:14:24,000 Speaker 1: don't know much about the Twitch community. The things that 223 00:14:24,120 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: I hear about are oftentimes the big stories. So of course, 224 00:14:27,160 --> 00:14:30,040 Speaker 1: you know, you hear whatever the fallout is and or 225 00:14:30,080 --> 00:14:33,120 Speaker 1: the encouraging things, because I've heard both things where people 226 00:14:33,200 --> 00:14:36,440 Speaker 1: are driven off of this platform because of the constant 227 00:14:36,520 --> 00:14:42,000 Speaker 1: harassment and or not enough security, not enough overall supervising 228 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: of what's going on in that type of platform. But 229 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,800 Speaker 1: then of course, yeah, I've actually actually heard about people 230 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:49,680 Speaker 1: uplifting people and bringing people into the community with open 231 00:14:49,920 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: arms and really like showing them family through online, which 232 00:14:55,480 --> 00:14:59,360 Speaker 1: we know happens in all kinds of like being a 233 00:14:59,440 --> 00:15:04,720 Speaker 1: part of the general AO. Well, you know, you know, 234 00:15:04,960 --> 00:15:09,280 Speaker 1: you know my spouse, but like it's kind of the 235 00:15:09,400 --> 00:15:14,080 Speaker 1: beginning of like understanding these two types of separate reactions 236 00:15:14,320 --> 00:15:16,360 Speaker 1: when it comes to Twitch. And you tell me, because 237 00:15:16,360 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 1: you as you have talked about before that you had 238 00:15:18,400 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 1: been driven off. Why do you think platforms like this 239 00:15:21,760 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: get to be so extreme or in your own experiences, 240 00:15:25,520 --> 00:15:28,640 Speaker 1: what makes it worth coming back to answer both questions, 241 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: I'll start with the first about the extremities with any platform, 242 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: the bigger it gets, the with more people, it's a 243 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: more chance for drama. You know, that's just the nature 244 00:15:41,760 --> 00:15:45,800 Speaker 1: of any group. And I think that with some of 245 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 1: these more highly publicized people, like what happened with Amaranth lately. 246 00:15:50,880 --> 00:15:54,240 Speaker 1: Now that wasn't anything directly related on Twitch, but it 247 00:15:54,320 --> 00:15:57,080 Speaker 1: affected her Twitch persona and how she you know, how 248 00:15:57,200 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: she had had to present it. You know, that's a 249 00:15:59,400 --> 00:16:03,080 Speaker 1: that's a terrible situation to be in. But the community 250 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:06,320 Speaker 1: has been very polarized about it. There if there's been 251 00:16:06,400 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: those those jerk faces out there, I'm trying not to 252 00:16:09,680 --> 00:16:14,920 Speaker 1: use anything stronger who have like completely blasted her when 253 00:16:15,200 --> 00:16:18,000 Speaker 1: she was not in the wrong. I mean, there's been 254 00:16:18,000 --> 00:16:20,120 Speaker 1: a lot of people that's really supported her and I'm 255 00:16:20,120 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: glad she stayed on the platform to continue to do, 256 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,560 Speaker 1: you know, to do her her thing, to be to 257 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:29,280 Speaker 1: be who she is and actually be able to be 258 00:16:29,400 --> 00:16:32,840 Speaker 1: honest about it. There have been you know, I've been 259 00:16:32,880 --> 00:16:35,400 Speaker 1: hate rated before, when all those hate raids were going on, 260 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:40,800 Speaker 1: you know, saying terrible things about me being Jewish, about 261 00:16:41,200 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 1: me being female presenting, about you know, being a queer 262 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:49,640 Speaker 1: person on the internet. And of course we got that 263 00:16:50,000 --> 00:16:53,840 Speaker 1: taking care of pretty quickly, but the hate raids were 264 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: very big scene because Twitch is a target, it's an 265 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 1: easy target it and i'd say gamers, there's still that 266 00:17:04,080 --> 00:17:07,119 Speaker 1: rather public perception of those of us who play games 267 00:17:07,840 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: that we're you know, the nerds, you know, the the 268 00:17:12,600 --> 00:17:15,879 Speaker 1: we we were all super bullied in high school and 269 00:17:16,080 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 1: m m m. And not all of us were, with 270 00:17:17,880 --> 00:17:21,040 Speaker 1: some of us were. And I think that just that 271 00:17:21,280 --> 00:17:29,080 Speaker 1: perception requires a lot of delicate handling to dismantle. But 272 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:32,760 Speaker 1: it's again part of that is what leads into the 273 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: people looking down on streaming in general. Were of course, 274 00:17:38,080 --> 00:17:40,000 Speaker 1: Amazon seemed to realize that it was gonna make a 275 00:17:40,080 --> 00:17:43,720 Speaker 1: ton of money, so they were pouring into it, so 276 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: I think and of course the bigger you get the 277 00:17:45,680 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: more open you become for for criticism, and people don't 278 00:17:49,840 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: know you. I mean, you may try to be your 279 00:17:52,080 --> 00:17:55,359 Speaker 1: most genuine self out there on your streams and on 280 00:17:55,480 --> 00:17:58,600 Speaker 1: the Internet and however you do it, but in the end, 281 00:17:58,840 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: people don't know you there. They don't really know who 282 00:18:03,440 --> 00:18:07,240 Speaker 1: you are unless you know, taking the time to converse 283 00:18:07,320 --> 00:18:09,119 Speaker 1: with them and get to know them as a person. 284 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,760 Speaker 1: So that also leaves this big room for judgment. And 285 00:18:14,840 --> 00:18:19,280 Speaker 1: with the anonymity of the Internet, it's like they don't 286 00:18:19,320 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 1: know who I am. It's not like you know, fifteen 287 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: years ago, where I could track someone's i P for 288 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:28,399 Speaker 1: you know, making a thread on a web forum say oh, 289 00:18:28,480 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: by the way, you live here, But now we can't. 290 00:18:33,040 --> 00:18:36,480 Speaker 1: We don't really necessarily have that ability anymore in the 291 00:18:36,640 --> 00:18:40,520 Speaker 1: age of VPNs and i P masking and and all 292 00:18:40,600 --> 00:18:44,960 Speaker 1: of that. So they and on top of that, there's 293 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: this other contingency that's been using twitches report policy against streamers, 294 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,000 Speaker 1: especially you know, l g B, t q A plus 295 00:18:54,040 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 1: streamers who you know might reclaim certain terminology, but the 296 00:18:58,640 --> 00:19:03,240 Speaker 1: use of that terminology is against twitches t os, so 297 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: they get them banned. That happened to my friend putting's there. 298 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,560 Speaker 1: There's all sorts of of drama that goes on with 299 00:19:12,000 --> 00:19:14,119 Speaker 1: such a big facility. And like again I said, the 300 00:19:14,160 --> 00:19:17,879 Speaker 1: bigger the streamer, the bigger you are a target. Um. 301 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:20,360 Speaker 1: Of course, the more marginalized you are as a streamer, 302 00:19:20,480 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: the bigger the target you are too. So especially another 303 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 1: big thing going on with UM, with female streamers in general, 304 00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:33,480 Speaker 1: is this fetishization. Oh, you're this anomaly. You have to 305 00:19:33,640 --> 00:19:37,159 Speaker 1: look like extra hot and all of this. And I 306 00:19:37,400 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: fell into that. You know, I do my makeup every stream. 307 00:19:40,160 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 1: I try to look my best. And finally I said, 308 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:47,280 Speaker 1: you know, screw it and shaved my head most of 309 00:19:47,400 --> 00:19:51,879 Speaker 1: my head. I'm growing it out. But it felt liberating 310 00:19:52,040 --> 00:19:54,880 Speaker 1: for me to sort of buck that convention and go, well, 311 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,000 Speaker 1: your standards aren't my standards, So you take me as 312 00:19:58,080 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: you get me, and if you don't like it, you 313 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:03,880 Speaker 1: can go just to this, you know, hot tub bikini 314 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 1: stream that apparently is a real thing right at now. 315 00:20:10,320 --> 00:20:14,840 Speaker 1: As far as the thing that keeps me on Twitch, 316 00:20:15,720 --> 00:20:19,840 Speaker 1: it's going to be things like my friends, the community. 317 00:20:20,400 --> 00:20:22,760 Speaker 1: I've built my own community in my chat. We we 318 00:20:22,840 --> 00:20:26,119 Speaker 1: all have like our little mini communities, but they all intersect, 319 00:20:26,200 --> 00:20:30,840 Speaker 1: like these concentric circles UM and my little community is 320 00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: very supportive. You know. I have the support of my 321 00:20:34,440 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: co hosts, I have the support of my other streamer friends. 322 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:43,040 Speaker 1: And it's really like, when when I announced about my 323 00:20:43,119 --> 00:20:48,639 Speaker 1: voice issues because I've been fighting um throat strain, the 324 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:53,280 Speaker 1: amount of outpouring of love and support that I got 325 00:20:53,720 --> 00:20:58,080 Speaker 1: from my my community just by itself and from my 326 00:20:58,160 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: streamer friends, I was like, holy crap, you guys don't 327 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:02,760 Speaker 1: know me. It will. I mean, some of them now 328 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:05,440 Speaker 1: know me in real life things to twitch con but 329 00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:08,159 Speaker 1: it's like, you've only known me as this voice and 330 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:11,440 Speaker 1: now with face on a channel, and you're sending out 331 00:21:11,600 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: this much love and support. How lucky am I? You know? 332 00:21:16,720 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 1: So when I go in and I've got like maybe 333 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:22,440 Speaker 1: five people in my chat one day, those five people 334 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:26,720 Speaker 1: are important to me because I'm not just doing it 335 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 1: for myself. I am doing it to provide something for 336 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 1: other people to build, you know, a positive place. You know. Yeah, 337 00:21:36,320 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 1: maybe I'll talk trash during a match. I'm always really 338 00:21:39,680 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: nice endgame chat, and I encourage people that I play with, Like, 339 00:21:45,680 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 1: because I'm on Stadia right now, I'm going to be 340 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,840 Speaker 1: transitioning back to Steam using a service called Boosteroids. Since 341 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,639 Speaker 1: I stream on a Mac, I'm a unicorn, but I 342 00:21:54,840 --> 00:21:57,639 Speaker 1: encourage people to um an endgame, to come into my 343 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,199 Speaker 1: chat and say hi. Whether not they stay is one thing, 344 00:22:01,320 --> 00:22:05,280 Speaker 1: but it's again for me, part of that is stopping 345 00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:10,280 Speaker 1: this sort of salty uh negativity in games and try 346 00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 1: to show hey, we're people, let's just be nice, you know. 347 00:22:15,400 --> 00:22:17,720 Speaker 1: So that's part of it. That is nice because I 348 00:22:17,960 --> 00:22:21,720 Speaker 1: my experience with gaming chat has been like I'll never do. 349 00:22:24,000 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to hear that you are building and 350 00:22:26,200 --> 00:22:30,080 Speaker 1: others are building this space where it's much more supportive 351 00:22:30,160 --> 00:22:33,000 Speaker 1: and friendly and fun. Like. There's still can be competition, 352 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,760 Speaker 1: but it's not like what I think most people perceive 353 00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:38,960 Speaker 1: in what I experience, So I am very happy to 354 00:22:39,040 --> 00:22:42,120 Speaker 1: hear that. Well. I do also have a slight ulterior 355 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: motive because my inner aries has to rear her ugly head. Um. 356 00:22:46,880 --> 00:22:49,560 Speaker 1: If I'm really nice to somebody and they continue to 357 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:51,639 Speaker 1: be a butt about it, well they look bad and 358 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:55,159 Speaker 1: I look awesome, But that's not why I do it 359 00:22:55,240 --> 00:23:05,560 Speaker 1: for maybe we'll never know for sure, both yeah, and 360 00:23:05,640 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: then I can wish them to be stuck in you know, 361 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:12,640 Speaker 1: a windowless, doorless room full of legos, barefoot. Oh yeah, 362 00:23:13,040 --> 00:23:15,879 Speaker 1: that's my favorite curse. That's a good one. That's a 363 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:21,240 Speaker 1: good one. One of the things that we read was 364 00:23:22,560 --> 00:23:27,280 Speaker 1: for women who are gamers and streamers on Twitch would 365 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:31,400 Speaker 1: get a lot of like criticism about their looks, but also, oh, 366 00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,639 Speaker 1: you're not a real gamer. Have you gotten stuff like that? 367 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,520 Speaker 1: I have for playing dating sims until like the majority 368 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,400 Speaker 1: though of my uh, I would say, of my male 369 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:47,200 Speaker 1: viewership tends to be gay me in um, you know, 370 00:23:47,359 --> 00:23:50,920 Speaker 1: and and a few uh a few straight guys that 371 00:23:51,040 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: are in there watching me. Are they like the same 372 00:23:54,119 --> 00:23:56,920 Speaker 1: kind of quirky stuff that I do? But I have 373 00:23:57,240 --> 00:24:01,040 Speaker 1: gotten the oh dating sim as an real game? Or 374 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,879 Speaker 1: why don't you play a Call of Duty? And I'm like, 375 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:07,719 Speaker 1: I don't like Call of Duty. I like that by daylight. 376 00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:11,960 Speaker 1: I you know, I play what I like in to 377 00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: hell with what anybody else thinks of me playing it. 378 00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:18,760 Speaker 1: I mean, I I have built a really thick skin 379 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:23,080 Speaker 1: over the last you know, twenty years of doing of 380 00:24:23,320 --> 00:24:28,119 Speaker 1: you know, just being a female on the internet. You know, 381 00:24:29,600 --> 00:24:32,359 Speaker 1: my own show started twenty years ago. We've been we 382 00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: had our twentieth anniversary this year and My first email 383 00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:42,640 Speaker 1: feedback was she should stop talking and go make a sandwich. Wow. Original, 384 00:24:43,680 --> 00:24:46,680 Speaker 1: Why can't they be creative? I was like, well, of course, 385 00:24:46,720 --> 00:24:49,920 Speaker 1: I'll make a sandwich for me and then I'll come 386 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:54,160 Speaker 1: back sandwiches. Sandwiches are awesome. You can't have my sandwich 387 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,080 Speaker 1: is mine now. But this is the thing, is that 388 00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,160 Speaker 1: I just stopped caring. You know, I don't care. If 389 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:04,840 Speaker 1: someone you know wants to criticize it, that's their problem. 390 00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:08,480 Speaker 1: It's not mine, you know. I I play what I 391 00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:10,200 Speaker 1: like and if they don't like it, they don't have 392 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,399 Speaker 1: to stay in my channel, and I will tell them so. 393 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: And if they remain in my channels saying these things, 394 00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:16,800 Speaker 1: I will make sure they cannot say them. With the 395 00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:20,120 Speaker 1: band button, I will slam that band hammer down faster 396 00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:24,080 Speaker 1: than you can blink do. I do not have to 397 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:26,400 Speaker 1: put up with that crap. It's my channel. I'll say 398 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 1: what I want. There you go, yeah, well, I guess. 399 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:34,280 Speaker 1: Kind of speaking of what are some of the tools 400 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:38,040 Speaker 1: you've seen some improvements on Twitch, perhaps when it comes 401 00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: to things like harassment um for instance, And then what 402 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:47,399 Speaker 1: in what ways do you think Twitch could improve? I 403 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: will say that one of the first things that has 404 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:55,920 Speaker 1: been positive with them adding in the custom tags where 405 00:25:56,320 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: you can tag your own channel as you know, whatever 406 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:01,840 Speaker 1: wanted to be, like I use the Jewish tag, I 407 00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:04,080 Speaker 1: use the a sexual tag, I use the l g 408 00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:07,640 Speaker 1: B t Q A plus, and those help you bring 409 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: in more people who are going to be more in 410 00:26:11,160 --> 00:26:15,760 Speaker 1: your quote group unquote. Um. That helps. Of course, it 411 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,399 Speaker 1: can make people a target. So they also have in 412 00:26:18,600 --> 00:26:22,360 Speaker 1: the whole verified user system now where you can set 413 00:26:22,480 --> 00:26:27,560 Speaker 1: up this security to where um, they have to verify 414 00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,159 Speaker 1: their Twitch account first instead of just making a burner 415 00:26:30,760 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 1: with a button on my stream deck, I can change 416 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: my chat to follower only, I can change it to 417 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:40,919 Speaker 1: subscriber only, I can change it to emote only if 418 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: I want. You know, and that those tools are really useful. 419 00:26:46,800 --> 00:26:51,159 Speaker 1: That said, there are a few other things that that 420 00:26:51,320 --> 00:26:54,160 Speaker 1: can be done, like like what happened with my friend 421 00:26:54,240 --> 00:26:57,199 Speaker 1: Putting's Now, this was before some of this was implemented, 422 00:26:57,280 --> 00:27:00,560 Speaker 1: so I will throw that bone out there, but he 423 00:27:01,200 --> 00:27:05,159 Speaker 1: was banned for a month during Pride Week when he 424 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,440 Speaker 1: had all this stuff planned because someone came in and 425 00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:12,520 Speaker 1: dropped the three letter F bomb on him and he 426 00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:16,680 Speaker 1: said it back because it's a reclamation right and but 427 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:21,800 Speaker 1: they still abandoned for it, and the appeal system wasn't 428 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:26,280 Speaker 1: conducive to help actual innocent people. So I think their 429 00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:31,440 Speaker 1: appeal system definitely needs some work. I think that there 430 00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:35,200 Speaker 1: should also be I'm not going to necessarily say like 431 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:38,440 Speaker 1: a three strikes rule, because again, the appeal system is 432 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:44,680 Speaker 1: kind of right now that's my description, but I think 433 00:27:44,760 --> 00:27:49,160 Speaker 1: that they could have better moderation. Better moderation. I think 434 00:27:49,280 --> 00:27:54,600 Speaker 1: that they also need to realize that people don't just 435 00:27:54,760 --> 00:27:58,840 Speaker 1: game on PC. We have Macinlyn excusers and have more 436 00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: tools open for people on those platforms. I think that 437 00:28:03,960 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 1: they all show should really put a lot of effort 438 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:14,160 Speaker 1: into promoting their female presenting streamers, especially they're streamers of color. UM. 439 00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: I am a big fan of the Sisters of Fog, 440 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:24,200 Speaker 1: which is a streaming group of women and female presenting 441 00:28:24,280 --> 00:28:27,440 Speaker 1: people of color who play Dead by Daylight, wonderful group 442 00:28:27,560 --> 00:28:31,679 Speaker 1: Team technicolor other persons of color who played Dead by 443 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:35,159 Speaker 1: Daylight in other games. I think that they need to 444 00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:41,840 Speaker 1: to really make sure that they're doing more to promote 445 00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: their marginalized streamers. They are doing a lot of really 446 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: good things with charity, um, you know, they have uh 447 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:52,480 Speaker 1: this whole charity system now built in where you can 448 00:28:52,560 --> 00:28:57,320 Speaker 1: run a fundraising stream that every bit sub payment, all 449 00:28:57,400 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 1: of that goes to your charity of choice, and Twitch 450 00:29:00,360 --> 00:29:03,000 Speaker 1: gets nothing out of it, no money. They just help. 451 00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: And I think that making sure that they audit the 452 00:29:07,920 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: causes that are allowable on there, make sure that that 453 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: money is going to go to reputable resources, you know, 454 00:29:16,840 --> 00:29:19,440 Speaker 1: like they may say, oh, we're women's health organization, but 455 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,760 Speaker 1: it's really like you know, Christian Coalition. No, they definitely 456 00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:26,200 Speaker 1: need their audit system to to be top notch for 457 00:29:26,320 --> 00:29:29,720 Speaker 1: something like that. But those are just like the off 458 00:29:29,800 --> 00:29:32,920 Speaker 1: of the top of my head things. I mean, I'm 459 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:36,920 Speaker 1: sure if I sat down and really matalist, I would 460 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,960 Speaker 1: have a novel. But I also believe be critical of 461 00:29:41,040 --> 00:29:56,240 Speaker 1: the things that you love. This year they did a 462 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,560 Speaker 1: twitch Con. I just heard of the disasters this year 463 00:29:58,560 --> 00:30:01,960 Speaker 1: also the good things, but the does but like I said, 464 00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:04,480 Speaker 1: I don't get them big news. Um, but yeah, you 465 00:30:04,560 --> 00:30:06,160 Speaker 1: went this year, Can you kind of tell us about 466 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,600 Speaker 1: your experience and all with all that? Oh? Yeah, so 467 00:30:08,840 --> 00:30:11,440 Speaker 1: this was the first twitch Con back since the pandemic, 468 00:30:12,240 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: and it was it was bigger than I thought it 469 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:18,720 Speaker 1: would be. And I've done my fair share of conventions, 470 00:30:18,760 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 1: you know, automy XPO, fantome gam Er X when it 471 00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: was a thing. One of these days, dragon Con one 472 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:29,200 Speaker 1: of these days that Twitch Con was was pretty amazing. Um, 473 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:33,680 Speaker 1: I didn't meet anybody I didn't like. First of all, 474 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:37,320 Speaker 1: everyone was pretty supportive of me. There was even some 475 00:30:37,480 --> 00:30:40,680 Speaker 1: decent costplay, you know we I costplayed. I did too, 476 00:30:40,760 --> 00:30:45,040 Speaker 1: did By Daylight ones. Um I did uh Julie of 477 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: the Legion, which my mask broke and I lost my knife, 478 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,240 Speaker 1: and I did the pig as in the same pig 479 00:30:52,360 --> 00:30:55,960 Speaker 1: from Saul, but a special cosmetic that used in Dead 480 00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:59,560 Speaker 1: by Daylight. There was a big daddy. There was a 481 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:06,200 Speaker 1: repped are from Regrats. Yeah, there's there's like a scarlet 482 00:31:06,320 --> 00:31:09,320 Speaker 1: witch cross player around, you know, just just it was. 483 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,600 Speaker 1: It was fun, but I didn't feel that same sort 484 00:31:12,680 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: of let me take your picture. In fifty other people 485 00:31:15,840 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: saying let me take your picture, it was like, oh yeah, 486 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: can I get a snap? And more people wanted like 487 00:31:20,920 --> 00:31:24,200 Speaker 1: a character selfie. It was kind of fun. I liked it, 488 00:31:24,360 --> 00:31:28,160 Speaker 1: but they had a drag show and I knew just 489 00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:31,680 Speaker 1: about all of the queens on their I was regulars 490 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:35,920 Speaker 1: in their channels, like Lyndon Bradshaw did a mental health 491 00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:41,920 Speaker 1: themed UH performance. Marisaw Lords another great one. Um. But 492 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,440 Speaker 1: the drag show was new and it really was just 493 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:50,160 Speaker 1: this major outpouring of positivity and support for the community. 494 00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,600 Speaker 1: Um I that was for me like the highlight of 495 00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,239 Speaker 1: the con next to meeting my friends. They had an 496 00:31:57,320 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: artist Ali that I talked to. It actually a couple 497 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,760 Speaker 1: of the artists and apparently this year they didn't have 498 00:32:02,880 --> 00:32:06,280 Speaker 1: to pay a fee. Twitch reached out to them to 499 00:32:06,400 --> 00:32:09,880 Speaker 1: have a booth in the artist sally and so it was. 500 00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: It was really positive that way. Um. The staff was amazing, 501 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:19,720 Speaker 1: except for um, some of the vendors there, which we 502 00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 1: There was the jousting drama this uh one streamer they 503 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:26,640 Speaker 1: had like this jousting pad kind of an old American 504 00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,120 Speaker 1: gladiator style, you know, with the big foam bats, and 505 00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:33,520 Speaker 1: the pit was full of these phone blocks, like the 506 00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:36,840 Speaker 1: kind that you fall into as a stunt, right. But 507 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,440 Speaker 1: what they didn't show is that it was quite shallow 508 00:32:41,360 --> 00:32:43,560 Speaker 1: and I mean and the people had to wade through 509 00:32:43,640 --> 00:32:45,880 Speaker 1: it to get up on the platforms. But the thing 510 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 1: is it's very deceptive and this one streamer and for 511 00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: the life of me, now I can't remember her name 512 00:32:51,600 --> 00:32:54,320 Speaker 1: off the top of my head, but she's pretty vocal 513 00:32:54,320 --> 00:32:57,440 Speaker 1: about it on Twitter. She won her match, it was great. 514 00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,080 Speaker 1: She did like a full on cheerleading ump off of 515 00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:06,920 Speaker 1: the platform and landed in the film, but she landed 516 00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:09,960 Speaker 1: on her tailbone and she ended up breaking her back 517 00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: in a couple of places and actually had to have surgery. 518 00:33:13,440 --> 00:33:19,080 Speaker 1: And can I list a trigger warning right now? She miscarried. 519 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:21,680 Speaker 1: She didn't know she was pregnant. She ended up miscarrying, 520 00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:26,160 Speaker 1: And so yeah, screw signing an agreement you know of 521 00:33:26,280 --> 00:33:30,080 Speaker 1: non liability. They need to be held accountable for it. 522 00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 1: Um another Streamerum damaged her knee pretty badly doing that. 523 00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:41,080 Speaker 1: The the amount of oversight on at least those stunts there, 524 00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 1: they needed a lot more. Definitely didn't seem like if 525 00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: it was up to any code. It was the bare 526 00:33:47,520 --> 00:33:51,200 Speaker 1: minimum code. And then they had this other little competition 527 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:53,719 Speaker 1: where you it's like you would play like with your 528 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:55,480 Speaker 1: siblings in the house. She keep the balloon in the 529 00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: air and they tried to recreate it like with furniture 530 00:33:59,000 --> 00:34:02,760 Speaker 1: and stuff, and people hurt themselves doing that. Although in 531 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:08,080 Speaker 1: the positive note, they did have some wheelchair users play 532 00:34:08,160 --> 00:34:11,279 Speaker 1: the game. Too, so they got to participate. But still, 533 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:16,680 Speaker 1: you know, um, there was a lot of corporate presence, 534 00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:20,319 Speaker 1: not necessarily the Twitch Amazon side of it, but they 535 00:34:20,360 --> 00:34:22,879 Speaker 1: had a ball pit that was full of those little 536 00:34:23,080 --> 00:34:27,320 Speaker 1: you know, ballpit balls and Velvina shells and cheese, the 537 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,920 Speaker 1: individual packets, and they were just giving away that and 538 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:33,880 Speaker 1: I was like free food. Okay. Wendy's had a present um. 539 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,279 Speaker 1: Capital One had a presence, and they had like some 540 00:34:36,560 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: deal that if you buy Twitch merch with Capital One 541 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: then you get a discount. And I was just like, 542 00:34:43,719 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: how about like putting a placard on the wall and 543 00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: not giving them their own big booth. Maybe not all 544 00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:57,640 Speaker 1: streamers are that, I would say, mature with credit. There 545 00:34:57,719 --> 00:34:59,799 Speaker 1: was a lot of money spent. I spent a lot 546 00:34:59,840 --> 00:35:05,759 Speaker 1: of money. I'm terrible. But it was long, like that 547 00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:09,960 Speaker 1: main floor this is the San Diego Convention Center, you 548 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:16,280 Speaker 1: know where they do uh Comic Con, And it was long, 549 00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:21,400 Speaker 1: but you had only two ways upstairs. There was an elevator, 550 00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:23,520 Speaker 1: but it was kind of out of the way, so 551 00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,960 Speaker 1: you had these two staircases at the very end of 552 00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: one of the bottom hall and the very end of 553 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,920 Speaker 1: the other. But they're only letting you into the building 554 00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:36,440 Speaker 1: through late gate. I think it was like C and 555 00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: D in the middle um or kind of in the middle, 556 00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: and to get around the upstairs you had to do 557 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:44,840 Speaker 1: a lot of walking to get to some of the 558 00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: convention rooms. And then there was there was like this 559 00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:52,360 Speaker 1: little cabana area, but they also had like the special 560 00:35:52,520 --> 00:35:57,879 Speaker 1: area for Twitch partners. I'm only an affiliate one day, 561 00:35:58,560 --> 00:36:03,720 Speaker 1: but but there was a lot of really preferential treatment 562 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:08,600 Speaker 1: to the partners. And becoming a partner is pretty difficult 563 00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:12,640 Speaker 1: and pretty arduous. Some people have to reapply so many 564 00:36:12,719 --> 00:36:15,640 Speaker 1: times after they meet the requirements, and I think that 565 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:20,000 Speaker 1: there there should have been I mean, affiliates got some swag, 566 00:36:20,160 --> 00:36:25,759 Speaker 1: I mean, yea a pen and some stickers, but I 567 00:36:25,920 --> 00:36:28,719 Speaker 1: think that there should have been a little bit more. 568 00:36:30,120 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: I agree the partners they should get some extra perks, 569 00:36:32,800 --> 00:36:36,520 Speaker 1: but I think the affiliates probably could have deserved to 570 00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:39,400 Speaker 1: get a little bit more as well, because we're I 571 00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:43,080 Speaker 1: think affiliates are the bulk of the Twitch streamers. So 572 00:36:44,120 --> 00:36:47,200 Speaker 1: the overall was a fun experience. You know, they had 573 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:51,200 Speaker 1: food vendors and I got to eat pretzels and never 574 00:36:51,280 --> 00:36:55,640 Speaker 1: get anti as pretzels, and they had them and just 575 00:36:56,000 --> 00:37:01,480 Speaker 1: meeting with friends, but it was pretty pretty crowded the 576 00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:04,320 Speaker 1: first couple of days. I'm glad you've got such a 577 00:37:04,360 --> 00:37:09,400 Speaker 1: good time. Yeah, yeah, well I know this. This question 578 00:37:09,480 --> 00:37:12,799 Speaker 1: is always like, but if you have any like quick 579 00:37:12,840 --> 00:37:14,719 Speaker 1: advice for any listeners here, like maybe I want to 580 00:37:14,719 --> 00:37:16,600 Speaker 1: get more into twitch, maybe I want to start streaming, 581 00:37:17,239 --> 00:37:19,880 Speaker 1: what would you tell them? There's a few things. Number one, 582 00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: be consistent. Have a schedule. Hello. A lot of people 583 00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,920 Speaker 1: don't publish a schedule or just a stream whenever they 584 00:37:27,000 --> 00:37:32,239 Speaker 1: want to. But having a schedule means that your your 585 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: community as it grows, will know when you're going to 586 00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:38,080 Speaker 1: be there, and even if you have to change that schedule, 587 00:37:38,160 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 1: like I have to from my work because we get 588 00:37:40,040 --> 00:37:44,440 Speaker 1: new schedules every six months. I published my new streaming 589 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,320 Speaker 1: schedule well in advance. I have a pinned post on 590 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,400 Speaker 1: my Twitter that says here's what my schedule will be 591 00:37:50,640 --> 00:37:53,000 Speaker 1: as of this time, and put it out there so 592 00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: people know not just where to find you, but when 593 00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:58,200 Speaker 1: to find you. Put where you're going to play on 594 00:37:58,320 --> 00:38:01,279 Speaker 1: that day. If it's going to be random game, to 595 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 1: say hey, it's going to be random game, don't be 596 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:07,200 Speaker 1: afraid to toot your own horn. Don't go advertising in 597 00:38:07,280 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 1: other people's channels. But and I'm not meaning this to 598 00:38:11,200 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: say use the people that you meet to advertise yourself. 599 00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:19,400 Speaker 1: But build relationships with other streamers. You know, they you 600 00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:22,439 Speaker 1: promote them, they promote you. It's like the community deal. 601 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:27,360 Speaker 1: We all uplift each other, you know. And the biggest 602 00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:30,640 Speaker 1: thing is like, don't go into another streamer's chat and 603 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:35,400 Speaker 1: be a jerk. Never do chat. But um, having a 604 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:41,120 Speaker 1: discord is very important because it keeps your community working 605 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:45,080 Speaker 1: together while you're not live, and you can use it 606 00:38:45,160 --> 00:38:49,520 Speaker 1: to announce events and to you know, say like if 607 00:38:49,600 --> 00:38:53,360 Speaker 1: you say that you have malaria and you have to 608 00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:56,920 Speaker 1: cancel the stream, that's it. That's extreme. But you can 609 00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:01,239 Speaker 1: do a post, Hey I'm an hospital with malaria. I 610 00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:06,239 Speaker 1: can't stream tonight, you know. And you know, and it 611 00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,080 Speaker 1: also you know, just having those those moments where you're 612 00:39:10,160 --> 00:39:13,920 Speaker 1: real with people. Don't don't build up a persona so 613 00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 1: much as just be yourself. Talk about real life stuff, 614 00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:21,200 Speaker 1: get to know people, Ask people in your chat how 615 00:39:21,280 --> 00:39:26,359 Speaker 1: their days going, you know, be nice, be consistent, that's 616 00:39:26,440 --> 00:39:32,120 Speaker 1: the that's the biggest things. And don't give up. I've 617 00:39:32,440 --> 00:39:35,680 Speaker 1: I've been back for a year. I just top the 618 00:39:35,760 --> 00:39:40,200 Speaker 1: five follower mark, not too terribly long ago. It takes time, 619 00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: it takes effort, and it takes just putting yourself out there. 620 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:49,200 Speaker 1: Don't don't be afraid to put out yeah in the 621 00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:55,080 Speaker 1: right way. And business cards. If you go to twitch 622 00:39:55,160 --> 00:39:57,760 Speaker 1: corn have a business card. It makes a difference. Okay. 623 00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:00,960 Speaker 1: Uh And speaking from woting other people, I know you 624 00:40:01,080 --> 00:40:04,120 Speaker 1: sent some recommendations. Is there are there any streamers you'd 625 00:40:04,160 --> 00:40:07,560 Speaker 1: like to shout out? Well? Um, I would actually like 626 00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:12,000 Speaker 1: to to my my podcast horn with you know. UM. 627 00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:15,280 Speaker 1: I do a show called Orange Lounge Radio. We record 628 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,040 Speaker 1: live on Twitch at Vogue Network Victor Oscar Golf Network 629 00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,439 Speaker 1: Voice of Geeks along with our friend Bobby black Wolf 630 00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:26,080 Speaker 1: does a wonderful show and he also streams on his 631 00:40:26,160 --> 00:40:29,320 Speaker 1: own channel, Bobby black Wolf. Rob Roberts is one channel. 632 00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:32,840 Speaker 1: Alan Alchemy is Rob's husband. Loki O l R. Is 633 00:40:32,920 --> 00:40:35,160 Speaker 1: my other co host and he does Minecraft. And then 634 00:40:35,360 --> 00:40:41,280 Speaker 1: for the Dead by Daylight community, there's Howdy Kelsey, wonderful friend, 635 00:40:41,920 --> 00:40:46,359 Speaker 1: really fun streamer. There's uh the Ladybird Um a mama 636 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:51,040 Speaker 1: streamer also plays Dead by Daylight. Uh, there is Uh, 637 00:40:51,160 --> 00:40:55,000 Speaker 1: It's me Holly just made partner not long ago. Wonderful 638 00:40:55,040 --> 00:40:59,680 Speaker 1: Streamers does Scary Games. She's hilarious. Um Miss Barne Australian 639 00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: stream er um what also plays Dead by Daylight, plays 640 00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:08,000 Speaker 1: the Scary Games, plays that Disney game that everyone's doing 641 00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: art by Kingdom hearts No, like the Disney Magical Adventure 642 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,360 Speaker 1: or whatever it's called, where it's kind of like like 643 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: a sim Oh, there you go and do tasks for people. 644 00:41:21,360 --> 00:41:25,600 Speaker 1: It's okay, it's interesting. Some people are playing VHS, which 645 00:41:25,719 --> 00:41:27,880 Speaker 1: is sort of like they said it was going to 646 00:41:27,920 --> 00:41:30,120 Speaker 1: be the Dead by Daylight Killer, but it's so different 647 00:41:30,160 --> 00:41:34,440 Speaker 1: from Dead by Daylight. But it's still an asymmetrical survival game. UM. 648 00:41:34,600 --> 00:41:37,400 Speaker 1: And then as far as uh others in the lgbt 649 00:41:37,520 --> 00:41:41,839 Speaker 1: q i A community, there's a losing color uh nick 650 00:41:41,960 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: and prints that's an N in the middle. Put in 651 00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:48,040 Speaker 1: pu d d n Z lapin online as in lapin 652 00:41:48,120 --> 00:41:50,359 Speaker 1: like rabbit l A p I N. I feel kind 653 00:41:50,400 --> 00:41:53,800 Speaker 1: of sad for not mentioning everyone's name. Black sikin O 654 00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:59,600 Speaker 1: two wonderful streamer Empire TV. Also from where I grew 655 00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: up in Alabama, although I know you and I have 656 00:42:03,280 --> 00:42:09,120 Speaker 1: had a mutual growing up spot in Alabama have strange enough. Yeah, 657 00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:11,800 Speaker 1: I know, I thought that was so funny. You know, 658 00:42:12,200 --> 00:42:19,359 Speaker 1: all those doth in summers, right, yeah summers. Don't get 659 00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:22,080 Speaker 1: me started on my allergies when I go visit family there. 660 00:42:23,760 --> 00:42:26,399 Speaker 1: But but yeah, just tons of streamers, you know, any 661 00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:29,000 Speaker 1: one of those people that I mentioned, people who show 662 00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:36,320 Speaker 1: up in their chat are also worth visiting. Their wonderful people, intoxicated, uh, dese, nuts, 663 00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:41,879 Speaker 1: c a, um, fluffy, all kinds of people. They're all 664 00:42:42,040 --> 00:42:46,680 Speaker 1: just delightful human beings, very supportive and our circle's intersect. 665 00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: So if you go to one, you'll go to another. 666 00:42:48,920 --> 00:42:51,839 Speaker 1: Um check out my page because I have recommendations right 667 00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,640 Speaker 1: on my Twitch page. It's Dark Sacra Underscore O l 668 00:42:55,840 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: R oscar Lima Romeo for Orange Longe Radio. Um but 669 00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:02,560 Speaker 1: d A r K s a K you are a 670 00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,120 Speaker 1: like Cherry Blossom Underscore O l R. You know, go there. 671 00:43:06,239 --> 00:43:08,640 Speaker 1: I have all kinds of you know, people that I 672 00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:14,319 Speaker 1: recommend right on my Twitch page. And you know, if 673 00:43:14,480 --> 00:43:18,279 Speaker 1: it's anyone wants to hit me up for more recommendations 674 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,880 Speaker 1: on on Twitter at dark Soccarra. I don't do the 675 00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:25,440 Speaker 1: Facebook fair enough. Yeah, And if you're a streamer listening 676 00:43:25,520 --> 00:43:28,640 Speaker 1: to this and you want to network. I'm more than 677 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,600 Speaker 1: happy to to help other streamers you know that that 678 00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,719 Speaker 1: want a hand up or want a friend. I'm more 679 00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:38,839 Speaker 1: than happy to be there to do what I can. 680 00:43:39,320 --> 00:43:42,680 Speaker 1: We have to uplift each other. I love seeing this 681 00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:47,080 Speaker 1: supportive thing that you were you're talking about, So yes, listeners, 682 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,319 Speaker 1: go find Jamie Summers. Um, thank you, thank you, thank 683 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,880 Speaker 1: you so much for coming on and talking with us 684 00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,800 Speaker 1: about this. Thank you for telling me I'm this is 685 00:43:57,120 --> 00:44:01,279 Speaker 1: the highlight of my day. We can make the day. 686 00:44:01,360 --> 00:44:05,040 Speaker 1: I love it, um, and I hope the episode does. 687 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:09,000 Speaker 1: You're proud, but yes, thank you and thank you for 688 00:44:09,080 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 1: all your your support through these years. We really really 689 00:44:12,760 --> 00:44:15,799 Speaker 1: appreciate it. If I may, Yes, this is the way 690 00:44:15,840 --> 00:44:20,080 Speaker 1: I end my streams. Be kind to yourself, be kind 691 00:44:20,120 --> 00:44:23,359 Speaker 1: to others. Go forth and conquer. You got this? Yes? 692 00:44:23,640 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: I love it? Um. Is there any place uh you 693 00:44:26,600 --> 00:44:28,480 Speaker 1: want to shout out where the listeners can find you 694 00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: other that you haven't already said? Um? I am on 695 00:44:32,000 --> 00:44:36,480 Speaker 1: Instagram sometimes at Dark Sacra um my TikTok is Dark 696 00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,279 Speaker 1: Sacra Underscore o l R. I mostly do videos of 697 00:44:40,440 --> 00:44:44,040 Speaker 1: my cat and my pinball collection. My spouse and I 698 00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:48,279 Speaker 1: are super into actual real pinball, so uh and and 699 00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:51,840 Speaker 1: sometimes I'll just do myself cavetting about things, and I 700 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,560 Speaker 1: will sometimes repost clips from me playing a game on there. 701 00:44:55,719 --> 00:44:59,640 Speaker 1: So yeah, find me on TikTok and be extremely bored. Um. 702 00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:03,799 Speaker 1: But yeah, the rest of my stuff is actually linked 703 00:45:03,840 --> 00:45:07,000 Speaker 1: directly through my Twitter channels, so you can also just 704 00:45:07,080 --> 00:45:10,880 Speaker 1: follow links there. It's easier, yeah, easy, easy, all right, Well, 705 00:45:10,960 --> 00:45:14,239 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you, thank you so much. Thank you, Yes, 706 00:45:14,600 --> 00:45:18,000 Speaker 1: and go forth and conquer. Yes and listeners. If you 707 00:45:18,040 --> 00:45:21,040 Speaker 1: don't like to contact us, you can. Our email is 708 00:45:21,200 --> 00:45:22,880 Speaker 1: stuff of your Mom stuff at ihart me you dot com. 709 00:45:22,920 --> 00:45:24,720 Speaker 1: You can find us on Twitter at moms to podcasts, 710 00:45:24,800 --> 00:45:26,680 Speaker 1: or on Instagram and stuff We'll Never Told You. 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