WEBVTT - Refuse Dystopia

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<v Speaker 1>Episode five refuse Dystopia. In the end, the state failed

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<v Speaker 1>in more places than it succeeded. It was a matter

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<v Speaker 1>of sheer logistics. After more than a century of taking

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<v Speaker 1>the United States for granted as a concept, the men

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<v Speaker 1>women in jack booted thugs at the top were reminded

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<v Speaker 1>of just how big this country is. In response to

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<v Speaker 1>a government crackdown, wildcats strikes sparked up all across the

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<v Speaker 1>big cities. Many were crushed by police and arrested. Activists

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<v Speaker 1>were often forced back into their old service industry jobs

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<v Speaker 1>as prison labor. But some of the strikes succeeded. With

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<v Speaker 1>interstate commerce breaking down, police in many urban areas weren't

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<v Speaker 1>able to maintain their supplies of riot munitions and ammunition

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<v Speaker 1>in your own area, a spirited alliance with some of

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<v Speaker 1>the rural communities near by allowed you to move like

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<v Speaker 1>water when the cops came in force while choking their

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<v Speaker 1>access to supplies from the central government. Eventually they broke

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<v Speaker 1>and left. That story more or less was repeated in

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<v Speaker 1>hundreds of com unities across the country. Eventually the Feds

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<v Speaker 1>gave up. There were attempts to impose demands on the government,

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<v Speaker 1>and some of those demands even went through, but most

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<v Speaker 1>of the old States power devolved into a loose association

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<v Speaker 1>of local communities. What's going on in some of those

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<v Speaker 1>communities sounds pretty scary. You've heard awful stories from other states,

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<v Speaker 1>but where you live things are looking up. No one

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<v Speaker 1>pays rent now in your neighborhood. People own the property

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<v Speaker 1>they're willing to maintain. There are more houses than people still,

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<v Speaker 1>as there have always been, so the biggest logistical hurdle

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<v Speaker 1>has been organizing training and skill sharing across the city

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<v Speaker 1>and nearby towns to ensure everything stays maintained. For the

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<v Speaker 1>most part, it does. Power is almost as reliable as

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<v Speaker 1>it used to be before things fell apart, and the

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<v Speaker 1>hybrid solar wind set up you and your community put

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<v Speaker 1>together works better than the old system did. By the end.

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<v Speaker 1>You all have to be more careful about your power use.

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<v Speaker 1>No leaving things plugged in, fewer personal appliances, and more

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<v Speaker 1>shared ones. During the summer, you run your ace at

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<v Speaker 1>the heat of the day and keep your homes properly

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<v Speaker 1>sealed so it stays cool at night. The food situation

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<v Speaker 1>got bad at a couple of points. During the worst days,

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<v Speaker 1>you learned what it feels like to be truly hungry.

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<v Speaker 1>But between the people who died and the people who fled,

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<v Speaker 1>including most of the old money types, the overall caloric

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<v Speaker 1>need in your area dropped substantially. You all got better

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<v Speaker 1>at aquaponics, building greenhouses, learning how to cultivate and survive

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<v Speaker 1>off plants native to your area. Now chickens and even

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<v Speaker 1>a few cows graze free in every neighborhood. You and

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<v Speaker 1>your next door neighbor keep goats and make cheese. You

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<v Speaker 1>trade for eggs every couple of weeks. You no longer

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<v Speaker 1>own a car, or rather, your car is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>just your car. It was new enough that one of

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<v Speaker 1>the mechanic collectives was able to modify it into a

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<v Speaker 1>purely electric vehicle, and now it runs off the same

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<v Speaker 1>solar grid as everything else. Every block has a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of vehicles just like this in common. They're used for

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<v Speaker 1>hauling produce, transporting small groups on occasional johnts across town,

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<v Speaker 1>and even the odd joy ride. There's a sign up

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<v Speaker 1>sheet for that. There are times when you miss the

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<v Speaker 1>old days, but then you think about the people who died,

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<v Speaker 1>and those last terrible convulsions of a broken system. You

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<v Speaker 1>think about the friends you had who didn't make it

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<v Speaker 1>through the months of hunger, or who died to gunfire

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<v Speaker 1>by the police or from vigilantes. The new world you've

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<v Speaker 1>helped to build isn't perfect, but you know it will

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<v Speaker 1>never turn into the kind of monster that brought you here.

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<v Speaker 1>You owe it to the dead to make sure of that.

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<v Speaker 1>On Thursday June at approximately one am, the twelve story

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<v Speaker 1>Champlain Tower South Complex in Miami, Florida collapsed. Dozens of

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<v Speaker 1>people were buried in the rubble would ultimately die crushed

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<v Speaker 1>to death by their own homes. It took weeks for

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<v Speaker 1>rescuers to search through more than fourteen thousand pounds of rubble,

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<v Speaker 1>and was just over a month before the final victim

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<v Speaker 1>was definitively identified. The story of how and why the

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<v Speaker 1>Champlain Tower collapsed and killed so many of its residents

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<v Speaker 1>is a perfect example of how social democracy can fail

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<v Speaker 1>when confronted with an existential threat. See In a condo

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<v Speaker 1>complex like the Champlain Towers, all the residents own part

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<v Speaker 1>of the building. They elect representatives a condo board to

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<v Speaker 1>make decisions about things like when to make repairs and

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<v Speaker 1>how much to spend on those repairs. In many ways,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a better situation for the residents than say,

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<v Speaker 1>living in an apartment complex. Your home is your own property.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't live at the dictates of a landlord. But

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<v Speaker 1>if one or a few of you recognize a major

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<v Speaker 1>problem with the larger building, you have to get everyone

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<v Speaker 1>else on board in order to fund repairs. The Champlain

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<v Speaker 1>Towers Condo Board met repeatedly in the years that led

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<v Speaker 1>up to the collapse. Many on the board pushed their

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<v Speaker 1>fellow residents to pony up the cash hints of thousands

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<v Speaker 1>of dollars apiece to fix the very obvious damage and

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<v Speaker 1>structural failures of their building. People don't like to spend

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<v Speaker 1>huge amounts of money to fix problems they're pretty sure

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<v Speaker 1>they can ignore, so the repair is kept getting put off.

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<v Speaker 1>People would demand more inspections, which took more time and

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<v Speaker 1>put off further votes on the millions and desperately needed repairs.

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<v Speaker 1>With every year that went by, the damage deepened and

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<v Speaker 1>the price of repair increased from nine million dollars to

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<v Speaker 1>fifteen million dollars. For the people who accepted the severity

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<v Speaker 1>of the problem, this delay was intolerable. In two thousand nineteen,

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<v Speaker 1>the President of the condo board, and at Goldstein resigned

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<v Speaker 1>in protest. In a letter to the condo Association, she wrote,

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<v Speaker 1>we work for months to go in one direction, and

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<v Speaker 1>at the very last minute objections are raised that should

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<v Speaker 1>have been discussed and resolved right in the beginning. This

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<v Speaker 1>pattern has repeated itself over and over, ego battles, undermining

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<v Speaker 1>the roles of fellow board members, circulation of gossip and mistruths.

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<v Speaker 1>I am not presenting a very pretty picture of the

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<v Speaker 1>functioning of our board and many before us, but describes

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<v Speaker 1>a board that works very hard but cannot, for the

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<v Speaker 1>reasons above, accomplish the goals we set out to accomplish.

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<v Speaker 1>Residents signed a petition against an assessment that pegged the

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<v Speaker 1>price of repair between eighty thousand and two hundred thousand

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<v Speaker 1>dollars per condo. People balked that the cost was akin

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<v Speaker 1>to taking out a second mortgage. Dozens of them then

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<v Speaker 1>died in their homes, lives over but bank accounts fuller.

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<v Speaker 1>They died alongside residents who saw the problem and supported

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<v Speaker 1>taking action, but failed to force the issue. Like the

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<v Speaker 1>residents of the Champlain Towers, we are stuck in a

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<v Speaker 1>problem of collective action. We cannot fix anything without getting

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<v Speaker 1>a hell of a lot of our fellow humans on

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<v Speaker 1>board a solution. And if we fail, opting out of

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<v Speaker 1>the system, moving to the woods or whatever won't stop

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<v Speaker 1>us from burning from the same wildfires that scorched the

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<v Speaker 1>homes of climate deniers. I tend to think that among

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<v Speaker 1>the people who see the true scope of the problems

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<v Speaker 1>facing us, you have two broad categories of response. They

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<v Speaker 1>are the optimists, always at work trying to mitigate harm

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<v Speaker 1>and wake people up, and there are the nihilists. The

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<v Speaker 1>nihilists also break into two broad chunks. One chunk of

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<v Speaker 1>us want to go hide in the woods or drop

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<v Speaker 1>out in other ways. These are the dark mountain types.

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<v Speaker 1>They accept the situation as fucked beyond unfucking and try

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<v Speaker 1>to enjoy what time they have left. On the other

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<v Speaker 1>side are people who decide the best thing they can

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<v Speaker 1>do is light fires and break things. Over a billion

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<v Speaker 1>sea creatures died on the Northwest coast when the Pacific

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<v Speaker 1>heat dome hit in early summer one. New research indicates

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<v Speaker 1>that in recent years, global insect populations have declined by

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<v Speaker 1>as much as seventy five one point five degrees celsius

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<v Speaker 1>of warming, which we absolutely will hit in the very

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<v Speaker 1>near future, will kill an additional hundred and fifty million

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<v Speaker 1>people per year from air pollution alone. When you put

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<v Speaker 1>the facts together and really force yourself to look at them,

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<v Speaker 1>it is hard not to at least consider terrorism as

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<v Speaker 1>a legitimate response to climate change. I would go so

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<v Speaker 1>far as to say that on a moral level, violence

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<v Speaker 1>against the individuals, institutions, and governments most responsible for our

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<v Speaker 1>shared catastrophe is very much justified. Again, we're looking at

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<v Speaker 1>roughly fourteen holocausts per year of additional dead people, and

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<v Speaker 1>just from the air pollution caused by one and a

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<v Speaker 1>half degree celsius of warming. There are people, individual human beings,

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<v Speaker 1>who were warned about this decades ago and made the

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<v Speaker 1>decision to devote great wealth and power towards ensuring nothing

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<v Speaker 1>was done. There are people who recognize the reality of

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<v Speaker 1>the situation and chose to deny it for the sake

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<v Speaker 1>of their own political and media careers. In the wake

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<v Speaker 1>of the Second World War, with tens of millions dead,

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<v Speaker 1>the victorious Allies held a great trial at Nuremberg to

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<v Speaker 1>punish those most responsible. You could probably get quite a

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<v Speaker 1>few people on board the idea of holding a climate Nuremberg,

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<v Speaker 1>and if that's justified, why isn't some sort of insurgency.

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<v Speaker 1>Today we celebrate the French Resistance, the brave partisans from Czechoslovakia,

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<v Speaker 1>Ukraine and Russia who struck hopeless blows against the Nazis

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<v Speaker 1>despite the certainty of their own doom. It is probable

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<v Speaker 1>that the people of the future will feel similarly about

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<v Speaker 1>our modern day eco terrorists, many of whom are currently

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<v Speaker 1>rotting away in federal penitentiaries. Most people outside of activist

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<v Speaker 1>circles have not heard of the Green scare. It's a

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<v Speaker 1>term that refers to a concerted campaign by federal law

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<v Speaker 1>enforcement and the federal government, both Republicans and Democrats, to

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<v Speaker 1>crack down severely on the activist wing of the environmental movement.

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<v Speaker 1>The culprits were people who had burnt down construction sites

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<v Speaker 1>for housing developments, destroyed SUVs and car dealership lots, spiked

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<v Speaker 1>logging or mining equipment, and in one case, set fire

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<v Speaker 1>to a McDonald's. Despite the fact that these activists did

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<v Speaker 1>not kill human beings, they were treated by law enforcement

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<v Speaker 1>as terrorists, a tactic that has become increasingly common in

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<v Speaker 1>the years since. Earlier this year, Jessica Resinesek, a Catholic

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<v Speaker 1>environmentalist activist, was sentenced to eight years in prison for

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<v Speaker 1>damaging heavy construction equipment meant for use on the Dakota

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<v Speaker 1>Access pipeline. Resinesek was prosecuted as a terrorist. The judge

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<v Speaker 1>who sentenced her said that domestic terrorism charges were warranted

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<v Speaker 1>because Jessica sought not only to stop the flow of

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<v Speaker 1>oil through a pipeline, but to prevent government approval of

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<v Speaker 1>pipelines like Dapple in the future. Now, it is possible

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<v Speaker 1>that the damage Jessica helped do to that construction equipment

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<v Speaker 1>de layed the construction of the pipeline that has certainly

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<v Speaker 1>acclaimed the government made. The Dakota Access pipeline was completed, though,

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<v Speaker 1>and has gone on to leak several times. In July

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<v Speaker 1>of this year, a Department of Transportation regulator issued a

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<v Speaker 1>notice against the company that runs the pipeline, alleging multiple

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<v Speaker 1>serious safety violations. If Jessica really did delay construction, it's

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<v Speaker 1>possible she reduced the harm caused by the pipeline, but

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<v Speaker 1>if so, the overall impact was sadly minimal. Hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>thousands of gallons of oil still flow through the Dakota

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<v Speaker 1>Access pipeline every day. The company behind it suffered a

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<v Speaker 1>few million in damages, but Jessica rezinesex suffered much more.

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<v Speaker 1>She will spend almost a decade behind bars, an other

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<v Speaker 1>three years under probation, and she owes more than three

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<v Speaker 1>million dollars in restitution, ensuring she will never be able

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<v Speaker 1>to lead more than an economically marginal life in the future.

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<v Speaker 1>That is, of course, the government's strategy here. When you

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<v Speaker 1>come at people like the hammer of God, whenever they

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<v Speaker 1>consider environmental direct action, you reduce the chances of something

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<v Speaker 1>like that going viral. Think of the way direct action

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<v Speaker 1>got briefly picked up by liberals nationwide during the George

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<v Speaker 1>Floyd protests. For the first time, maybe ever, you had

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<v Speaker 1>large numbers of normal people, the kind of folks the

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<v Speaker 1>cops can't brutalize without creating an outcry either doing or

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<v Speaker 1>physically supporting people doing damage to police infrastructure. This terrified

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<v Speaker 1>the people in power, both liberal and conservative, and as

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<v Speaker 1>a result, they've spent the last half year or so

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<v Speaker 1>pushing a raft of new laws to criminalize protest. More

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<v Speaker 1>than that, we've seen cities like New York, Los Angeles,

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<v Speaker 1>and Minneapolis deploy a wildly excessive police and sometimes military

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<v Speaker 1>forces at the start of new protest movements. The goal

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<v Speaker 1>is to scare away all but the most committed activists,

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<v Speaker 1>to avoid letting any protest reach the critical mass of

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<v Speaker 1>numbers that makes crackdowns dangerous. When considering this topic, I

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<v Speaker 1>found a lot of wisdom in something J. R. R.

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<v Speaker 1>Tolkien wrote to his son Christopher in the dark day

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<v Speaker 1>days of nineteen forty three concerning the global plague of industrialization.

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<v Speaker 1>There is only one bright spot, and that is the

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<v Speaker 1>growing habit of disgruntled men dynamiting factories and power stations.

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<v Speaker 1>I hope that encouraged now as patriotism, may remain a habit,

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<v Speaker 1>but it won't do any good if it is not universal.

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<v Speaker 1>And that is more or less the truth. Ecological direct

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<v Speaker 1>action as an occasional fringe burst of fury does little

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<v Speaker 1>besides make a statement. It may be many things, but

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<v Speaker 1>it is not a path forward for us if we

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<v Speaker 1>care about more than just fenting our rage against industrial society.

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<v Speaker 1>I know that it can be extremely tempting to take

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<v Speaker 1>the attitude that the situation is already fucked, we might

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<v Speaker 1>as well just burn it all down, But that attitude

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<v Speaker 1>isolates you, and while you are offering people nothing but

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<v Speaker 1>a sense of doom, the fascist is promising them that

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<v Speaker 1>with enough state violence, they and their families can at

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<v Speaker 1>least be protected. Leviathan is coming to them and saying,

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<v Speaker 1>hand over power to the state, and we can bring

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<v Speaker 1>back some version of the good times. Every bad actor

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<v Speaker 1>route there is coming with promises that they can improve

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<v Speaker 1>people's material conditions. If you want a better future and

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<v Speaker 1>not just revenge, we're going to have to be able

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<v Speaker 1>to offer that too. There is a line from the

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<v Speaker 1>book Climate Leviathan. I find it quite stirring. It's written

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<v Speaker 1>in response to Roy Scranton, a climate change philosopher and

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<v Speaker 1>author of the book We're Doomed Now What, commenting on

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<v Speaker 1>his claim that nobody has real answers and the problem

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<v Speaker 1>is us. Wainwright and Man say, quote, at a time

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<v Speaker 1>when the left everywhere must reinvent means to live together,

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<v Speaker 1>we cannot make acceptance of death our aspiration. They go

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<v Speaker 1>on to note that the coming crisis is not unmanageable.

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<v Speaker 1>It is already here, already being managed by liberal capitalism,

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<v Speaker 1>if rather badly. Indeed, the very manageability of the crisis

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<v Speaker 1>is part of the problem we face. To address it,

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<v Speaker 1>we do not need to learn to die, but to live,

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<v Speaker 1>think and rebel. I tend to agree with this assessment,

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<v Speaker 1>and I think that face with the ultimate failure of

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<v Speaker 1>older attempts at rebellion, we need to be open minded

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<v Speaker 1>in our search for a new rebellion. We may find

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<v Speaker 1>that in a society built to facilitate mass death, learning

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<v Speaker 1>how to survive and keep others alive is the most

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<v Speaker 1>effective method of revolt. Do I have suggestions for that

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<v Speaker 1>beyond start cooperative kitchens with your neighbors and hand out

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<v Speaker 1>supplies after disasters. Yes, But before we get into that,

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<v Speaker 1>I want to make the case for why I think

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<v Speaker 1>mutual aid is a viable path towards revolt. Earlier in

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<v Speaker 1>the series, I laid out what I see is the

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<v Speaker 1>most likely route towards radical change, a general strike with

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<v Speaker 1>a list of demands supported by a massive national and

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<v Speaker 1>ideally international mutual aid campaign. There is a tendency among

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<v Speaker 1>some radicals on the left to right mutual aid off

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<v Speaker 1>as charity dressed up to look like revolution, but the

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<v Speaker 1>evidence suggests that the state and the far right consistently

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<v Speaker 1>see effective mutual aid programs as what they are a

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<v Speaker 1>serious threat. In January of nineteen sixty nine, the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Panther Party held their first free for children breakfast program

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<v Speaker 1>at Saint Augustine Episcopal Church. They fed eleven children. They

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<v Speaker 1>kept going though every day, and by the end of

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<v Speaker 1>the week they had fed a hundred and thirty five kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Billy X. Jennings was one of the Panthers there. At

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<v Speaker 1>the very beginning, he recalled to the Guardian every office

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<v Speaker 1>was required to send two people to learn how it ran,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can open one in your area. In a

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<v Speaker 1>matter of weeks, the breakfast program had expanded to twenty

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<v Speaker 1>three locations around Oakland. By the end of nineteen sixty nine,

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<v Speaker 1>the program had been incorporated into one of the Black

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<v Speaker 1>Panther Party's survival programs and regularly fed twenty thousand people

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen cities. On the surface, this was just cooking

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<v Speaker 1>breakfast for poor kids. It certainly looked less radical than, say,

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<v Speaker 1>the armed patrols the Black Panthers carried out to monitor

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<v Speaker 1>police officers in black neighborhoods. But j Edgar Hoover, director

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<v Speaker 1>of the FBI, considered the breakfast program an existential threat.

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<v Speaker 1>The program represents the best and most influential activity going

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<v Speaker 1>for the BBP, and as such is potentially the greatest

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<v Speaker 1>threat to efforts by authorities to neutralize the b PP

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<v Speaker 1>and destroy what it stands for. Hoover recognized that the

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<v Speaker 1>Panthers were engaged in the most crucial task for any

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<v Speaker 1>insurgent movement, winning hearts and minds. The Maoist Marxist beliefs

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<v Speaker 1>of many Panthers were a lot easier to spread to

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<v Speaker 1>folks who saw them as the people feeding their damned children,

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<v Speaker 1>because at the end of the day, for almost everyone,

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<v Speaker 1>the basic needs of your loved ones trump specific ideology

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<v Speaker 1>every day of the week. That's why the FBI targeted

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<v Speaker 1>the free breakfast program specifically. At one rate in Chicago,

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<v Speaker 1>agents smashed and urinated on all the food that had

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<v Speaker 1>been collected for the next day's meal. In some cities,

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<v Speaker 1>agents were sent door to door, visiting parents in their

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<v Speaker 1>homes and claiming the Panthers were using breakfast clubs to

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<v Speaker 1>teach children to be racist against white people and to

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<v Speaker 1>urge them to riot in school. Historian Franzisca Meister says

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<v Speaker 1>that in San Francisco, quote FBI agents actually brought one

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<v Speaker 1>of the breakfast programs to a halt by talking the

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<v Speaker 1>parents of the participating children into believing that the food

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<v Speaker 1>the panthers were serving had been infected with funereal disease.

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<v Speaker 1>Mutual aid is just as frightening to our enemies to

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<v Speaker 1>day as it was to j Edgar Hoover. The Center

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<v Speaker 1>for Security Policy is a far right, anti Muslim, anti

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<v Speaker 1>communist think tank founded by former Reagan administration official Frank

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<v Speaker 1>Gaffney JUNR. Earlier this year, they were leased a report

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<v Speaker 1>analyzing the mutual aid efforts of a number of Texas

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<v Speaker 1>based leftist organizations, including the Elm Fork, John Brown Gun Club,

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<v Speaker 1>and the d f W chapter of the Socialist Rifle

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<v Speaker 1>Association from the Center for Security Policy. But mutual aid

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<v Speaker 1>must not be understood as simply volunteerism, as its proponents

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<v Speaker 1>explicitly note, its true purpose is to build up capability

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<v Speaker 1>for dual power, a kind of shadow governance. As much

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<v Speaker 1>as avowed anarchists might hate the term to be exercised

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<v Speaker 1>by a network of a narco communist and autonomous groups.

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<v Speaker 1>As a result, the likelihood that mutual aid will also

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<v Speaker 1>involve the presence of community armed self defense groups like

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<v Speaker 1>the John Brown gun Club and other ANTIFA groups is high.

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<v Speaker 1>Such groups do not make a distinction between providing basic

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<v Speaker 1>aids such as providing water, emergency meal and motel rentals,

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<v Speaker 1>and direct clashes with law enforcement and others who they

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<v Speaker 1>perceive is threatening their agenda. Local and state officials dealing

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<v Speaker 1>with natural disasters should urge citizens to avoid contributing to

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<v Speaker 1>unknown or suspect mutual aid organizations and encourage support instead

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<v Speaker 1>to traditional, registered charities. They should likewise respond to an

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<v Speaker 1>increase in protest and activism activity generated by autonomous groups

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<v Speaker 1>seeking to use the disaster for propaganda purposes. Finally, they

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<v Speaker 1>should develop a comprehensive understanding of the extremist groups reading

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<v Speaker 1>in their areas of responsibility. The think tank is of

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<v Speaker 1>course wrong with they attempt to cast the DFW, s

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<v Speaker 1>r A, and John Brown Gun Club, neither of which

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<v Speaker 1>have been tied to terrorism, as violent extremists, but they

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<v Speaker 1>are broadly right about the purpose of mutual aid. One

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<v Speaker 1>thing that sets it apart from simple charity is that

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of mutual aid is to build power. Not

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<v Speaker 1>hierarchical power, not a shadow governance put in the hands

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<v Speaker 1>of a leader or a pollit bureau, but the power

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<v Speaker 1>of a community to meet its own needs and thus

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<v Speaker 1>resist domination. This is why mutual aid frightens those in power.

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<v Speaker 1>It's why in a two thousand and six lecture at

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<v Speaker 1>the Universities of Texas School of Law, the FBI Supervisory

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<v Speaker 1>Senior Resident listed Food Not Bombs as an organization on

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<v Speaker 1>the local terrorist watch list in Austin. In writing for

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<v Speaker 1>Belling Cat, I analyzed the chat logs of Patriot Coalition,

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<v Speaker 1>a group of several hundred armed far right extremists in

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<v Speaker 1>the Pacific Northwest. They looked forward to the potential of

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<v Speaker 1>fights with Antifa, but they were terrorified when during the wildfires,

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<v Speaker 1>Portland's anti fascists put together and distributed thousands of pounds

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<v Speaker 1>of aid supplies to people who'd been displaced. If we

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<v Speaker 1>judge the efficacy of resistance tactics by who they scare,

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<v Speaker 1>mutual aid ranks highly. Indeed, this is, of course not

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<v Speaker 1>the whole answer to the question, how do we pull

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<v Speaker 1>ourselves up out of the tail spin? I would be

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<v Speaker 1>an arrogant man. Indeed, if I pretended to know that,

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<v Speaker 1>or try to put myself forward as someone with the

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<v Speaker 1>ultimate solution to our problems. How would a national network

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<v Speaker 1>of mutual aid collectives organized to handle the manufacture and

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<v Speaker 1>distribution of more complex necessities like insulin. How would a

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<v Speaker 1>general strike movement reach some kind of agreement on an

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<v Speaker 1>actual list of demands without becoming bogged down in debate

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<v Speaker 1>and negotiations like a doomed condo board. How would we

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<v Speaker 1>protect such a movement from the kind of threats that food, medicine,

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<v Speaker 1>and good intentions can't defeat. Over the coming days and months,

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<v Speaker 1>we're going to try and find the answers to all

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<v Speaker 1>of those questions. Together. I'm going to bring on people

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<v Speaker 1>much smarter than me, and we're going to hear their answers.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm going to bring on activists and organizers from around

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<v Speaker 1>the world who have answered versions of those questions themselves,

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<v Speaker 1>and we'll see what we can learn from their struggles.

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<v Speaker 1>Together with a lot of help from our friends, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>hoping we can come to some conclusions. But before we

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<v Speaker 1>conclude this first week of episodes, I want to take

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<v Speaker 1>a look at the future we could have, or at

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<v Speaker 1>least new elements of it. Because when you tell people

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<v Speaker 1>the world needs to change very quickly or where fucked

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<v Speaker 1>it kind of behooves you to provide them with a

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<v Speaker 1>vision of the future you'd like to make instead. The

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<v Speaker 1>people of the Navajo Nation have been enduring the consequences

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<v Speaker 1>of capitalism for a very long time. Decades of US

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<v Speaker 1>government neglect has led to a situation in which thirty

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<v Speaker 1>to forty percent of their people lack access to clean water.

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<v Speaker 1>Climate change, drought, and reduced rainfall have further strained their

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<v Speaker 1>access to water, making farming and simple survival much more difficult.

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<v Speaker 1>Cameron sou who lives in the Navajo Nation, told an

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<v Speaker 1>interviewer some of them have to drive an hour and

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<v Speaker 1>a half one way to town to get drink water.

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<v Speaker 1>People say, well, water is not expensive. Sure, if you

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<v Speaker 1>have access to the store it's around the corner. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>But for us, the reality is that just going to

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<v Speaker 1>the town of Flagstaff, you're spending maybe fifty dollars on

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<v Speaker 1>gas and other things. When you go by water in town,

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<v Speaker 1>a case of bottled water is actually costing you around

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<v Speaker 1>sixty eighty dollars. But while climate change has strained the

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<v Speaker 1>Navajos access to water, it has provided them with additional

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<v Speaker 1>reserves of another resource, sunlight. This has led many in

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<v Speaker 1>the nation to embrace solar businesses. Especially after in two

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<v Speaker 1>thousand nineteen they voted against continuing to operate a coal

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<v Speaker 1>power plant that employed some eight hundred people. At this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>some Navajo entrepreneurs are working with a company called Source

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<v Speaker 1>Water to install hundreds of hydro panels on isolated homes.

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<v Speaker 1>The hydro panel is a solar powered water generator. It

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<v Speaker 1>condenses clean water out of the atmosphere. A standard tupanel

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<v Speaker 1>array can make four to ten liters of water per day,

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<v Speaker 1>even in fairly dry conditions. This is a small solution

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<v Speaker 1>in the grand scheme of things, but it is a solution.

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<v Speaker 1>At the moment. Fifteen Navajo families have access to regular,

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<v Speaker 1>clean water because of these panels. Five hundred more homes

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<v Speaker 1>should receive panels in the near future. The technology is

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<v Speaker 1>still very new and as a result, not particularly cheap.

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<v Speaker 1>This is not a Norman boer Log style mass solution

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<v Speaker 1>to our problems, but it is a good development, and

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<v Speaker 1>it provides us with some texture to how our futures

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<v Speaker 1>might look once we've adapted to the inevitable new normal.

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<v Speaker 1>Solar stills and atmospheric condensers glittering atop roofs and alongside

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<v Speaker 1>gardens in all the places where useless lawns once sucked

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<v Speaker 1>up water, and speaking of the Navajo, our hopeful future

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<v Speaker 1>will have to involve a hell of a lot more

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<v Speaker 1>input from indigenous peoples. This isn't woke politics. It's our

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<v Speaker 1>best hope for reversing some of the damage already done

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<v Speaker 1>to our ecosystems. In two thousand seven, the swin Amish tribe,

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<v Speaker 1>located in Washington's northwest coast, published a climate proclamation that

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<v Speaker 1>declared climate adaptation a top priority in securing their long

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<v Speaker 1>term future. In two thousand ten, while every government on

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<v Speaker 1>Earth dithered, they published an action plan that ensured their

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<v Speaker 1>people's food security under climate change. They began to build

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<v Speaker 1>rock walls to expand the intertitle zone that clams call

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<v Speaker 1>home and boost shellfish numbers to compensate for die offs

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<v Speaker 1>and over fishing. I want to quote from a rite

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<v Speaker 1>up by Yale School of the Environment, quote to protect

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<v Speaker 1>salmon runs. The tribe is working on the Skagit River

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<v Speaker 1>to create better spawning beds and as planting trees to

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<v Speaker 1>provide shade and reduced river temperatures. In addition, the tribe

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<v Speaker 1>is fighting to block mining operations and the headwaters of

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<v Speaker 1>the Skagit in British Columbia, which could impact waters downstream

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<v Speaker 1>Across North America, other indigenous communities are stepping up to

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<v Speaker 1>formulate and enact climate action plans to protect their way

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<v Speaker 1>of life. In twenty nineteen, the Carrick Tribe of Northern

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<v Speaker 1>California released its climate adaptation plan with a recommendation to

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<v Speaker 1>return to prescribed burning, an old idea that might help

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<v Speaker 1>to ease California's wildfire problems. The Tulalip Tribes Washington State

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<v Speaker 1>are relocating nuisance beavers from urban areas back to traditional

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<v Speaker 1>watersheds to help lower river temperatures and aid salmon populations.

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<v Speaker 1>They are also redirecting agricultural runoff for electricity generation. The

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<v Speaker 1>Jamestown Squalum Tribe and Washington is removing invasive butterfly bushes

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<v Speaker 1>from the banks of the Dungeness River to help protect

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<v Speaker 1>its salmon. The Confederated Salish and Kutanaie tribes of Montana

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<v Speaker 1>are gathering and planting seedlings of the white bark pine

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<v Speaker 1>that are more resistant to warming related diseases such as

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<v Speaker 1>blister rust. Alaskan tribes are using microscopy to identify harmful

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<v Speaker 1>algae blooms spurred by warming waters. The list goes on. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>these are all examples of direct action, most of which

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<v Speaker 1>not all of which won't land anyone in prison, and

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<v Speaker 1>all of which will help mitigate the on Rushian catastrophe

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<v Speaker 1>in real ways. Alone, indigenous peoples cannot pull us out

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<v Speaker 1>of the mess we've gotten ourselves into. But if we

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<v Speaker 1>can develop a political situation which gives them back control

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<v Speaker 1>of their land, we can institute measures like this on

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<v Speaker 1>a much wider scale, and it will benefit every single

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<v Speaker 1>person on the planet. The UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate

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<v Speaker 1>Changes recent reports have noted that they have high confidence

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<v Speaker 1>that global adaptation efforts will benefit from including indigenous knowledge.

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<v Speaker 1>Mead Crosby, a conservation biologist with a University of Washington, notes,

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<v Speaker 1>one of the things that comes across really clearly is

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<v Speaker 1>that indigenous people are by far the most effective stewards

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<v Speaker 1>of biodiversity. They do the best job. One recent study

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<v Speaker 1>showed that deforestation rates in the Amazon, the world's largest

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<v Speaker 1>carbon sinc were two to three times lower in indigenous

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<v Speaker 1>held lands. At present, indigenous people's hold or manage about

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<v Speaker 1>twenty eight percent of the planet's land, but more than

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<v Speaker 1>forty percent of its protected wildlife areas. Some eighty percent

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<v Speaker 1>of the world's biodiversity exists under their stewardship. It is

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<v Speaker 1>so very easy to lose hope when all you consume

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<v Speaker 1>is a day the drumbeat of bad news, ocean die

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<v Speaker 1>offs and wildfires, and crooked corporate deals to piss more

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<v Speaker 1>poison into the atmosphere. Those stories are important, and you

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<v Speaker 1>should be angry. But bad news is not the only news.

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<v Speaker 1>Indigenous peoples have been fighting for generations in the face

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<v Speaker 1>of genocide and relentless oppression to reverse the damage unchecked

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<v Speaker 1>greed has done to our climate. What excuse do the

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<v Speaker 1>rest of us have to give into doom when they

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<v Speaker 1>could really fucking use our help. This may sound silly

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<v Speaker 1>to you, there is a good chance you just had

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<v Speaker 1>a visceral gut reaction to the idea of a hopeful,

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<v Speaker 1>solar powered future driven by hard earned knowledge of indigenous custodians.

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<v Speaker 1>This is because all of us, left and right, have

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<v Speaker 1>spent most of the last twenty years ingesting a steady

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<v Speaker 1>diet of apocalyptic fantasies. Even Star Trek, meant to be

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<v Speaker 1>a utopian vision of possibility, tends to focus more on

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<v Speaker 1>war and violence these days we're one to compare the

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<v Speaker 1>science fiction of fifty years ago with today, they might

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<v Speaker 1>think we'd lost our ability to hope. And so at

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<v Speaker 1>the end of all this, I'd like to provide you,

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<v Speaker 1>the ongoing listeners of it could happen here with a

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<v Speaker 1>promise this is a show about hope as much as

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<v Speaker 1>it is a show about collapse. I believe firmly that

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<v Speaker 1>the ability to build a better world starts with being

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<v Speaker 1>able to imagine one. So as we dive into the

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<v Speaker 1>muck and grime of a system on the brink, let's

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<v Speaker 1>accept that with hard work and above all else, love,

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<v Speaker 1>it's still possible to turn this ship around.