Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com
Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the
Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us,
Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome into Talking
Speaker 1: Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. I am Rob Phillips
Speaker 1: hosting for Bill Jones across the table as always, my
Speaker 1: good friend Brian brought us. Should we try and get
Speaker 1: all our questions in before Mickey comes rolling in? Start
Speaker 1: playing the game. Just start playing right now, because he
Speaker 1: doesn't want to play. Mickey hates my games. I'm sorry,
Speaker 1: Mickey hates my game. I just you know, I think
Speaker 1: it's fun. I think you try and you know, not
Speaker 1: holding anybody all to this, you just kind of give
Speaker 1: an opinion on it and move on. Yeah. Yeah, we'll
Speaker 1: do that. We'll do a little bit of that and uh,
Speaker 1: at some point that chair will be filled. Right now
Speaker 1: it's empty. Oh and there he is. Yeah, Yeah, a
Speaker 1: grand interest Kit Garrison next door producing as always, and uh,
Speaker 1: it's a practice day for your Dallas Cowboys Yeah, on
Speaker 1: a Wednesday. It's also Redskins Week. When did you write
Speaker 1: that book on the Redskins Mickey uh nineteen ninety seven,
Speaker 1: ninety seven, Yeah, matchups. She did something like that. We
Speaker 1: did twenty best games in Cowboy Redskin history, ten for
Speaker 1: each ten wins for each team. Wow. Okay, but you
Speaker 1: did the research. Didn't you interview the guy one time?
Speaker 1: When we were at Valley Ranch, we interviewed the guy
Speaker 1: you wrote. You co wrote that with Ravil. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: a Washington Post guy. He was a Washington Times guy.
Speaker 1: Of course, the way newspapers have gone, he's been long
Speaker 1: gone from there also, So the Redskins seem to be
Speaker 1: trying to revive the rivalry. From what I've seen this
Speaker 1: is they've already put a big banner when you walk
Speaker 1: into their practice facility, and it's got big bold letters
Speaker 1: and it says Cowboys Week. And that's what it used
Speaker 1: to be called in the seventies and eighties, Georgia Allen.
Speaker 1: And now they're they're doing a promotion because they haven't
Speaker 1: had a sellout at that stadium in like forever, and
Speaker 1: so they're trying to sell it out. So they're doing
Speaker 1: a promotion out there if you have some sort of
Speaker 1: mean tweet or something you get for free tickets, and
Speaker 1: they're going to have a concert outside beforehand with some
Speaker 1: country band called low Cash all capital letters, by the way,
Speaker 1: and then they're tweeting out hashtag beat Cowboys. It's Burgundy week,
Speaker 1: by the way, so the Cowboys better any week. This
Speaker 1: is Redskins week here, By golly, you know, I have
Speaker 1: a big deal around here. You know. It's Nikki's right.
Speaker 1: Though you watched their tape. There's a lot of yellow
Speaker 1: seats when you would see those home games. You know
Speaker 1: what they did too, is they took out that upper depth.
Speaker 1: They didn't block it off. They took the seats out, yea.
Speaker 1: And they were gonna sell standing room on the kind
Speaker 1: of way the Cowboys had, right, But there's they are
Speaker 1: at the top of the stadium. And I don't know
Speaker 1: if they ever did it, because I would be scared
Speaker 1: to stand up there. You know. It's funny about that game, though,
Speaker 1: when you when I used to make the trips with
Speaker 1: you guys, that it always seemed like there were a
Speaker 1: lot of Cowboy fans at TESK games. Oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I mean that I went back and watched the
Speaker 1: Romo passed to de Marco Murray and the crowd, you know,
Speaker 1: the fourth down play. The crowd was incredibly loud, and
Speaker 1: then when Murray scored, it was like, oh yeah, it
Speaker 1: was like a home game. I mean, I remember standing
Speaker 1: on the side. I forgot because we were all at
Speaker 1: the one We were all at one end of the field.
Speaker 1: Murray had scored at the far end, the far corner,
Speaker 1: and that was one of those disastrous Oh you try
Speaker 1: and run a play and you lose ten you know what,
Speaker 1: it's a second or fourth and gold on the you
Speaker 1: know whatever, it's not on the goal line. And so
Speaker 1: but we were I just remember how the crowd reacted,
Speaker 1: and then I went back and watched it again. O'm
Speaker 1: my gosh, I forgot how I remembered, and I forgot,
Speaker 1: then I remembered again. I'm like, man, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of cowboy fans that show up there at that that
Speaker 1: FedEx field. I've been doing this show in some capacity,
Speaker 1: starting with the kids table since like oh four, hey,
Speaker 1: I shot since the inception. Huh. I saw a show
Speaker 1: last night and they had some guy helping out with
Speaker 1: whatever the lead guy was, and the girl was at
Speaker 1: the kids table. Yeah, it was in a different spot.
Speaker 1: It's look ridiculous as I did back then. You look ridiculous,
Speaker 1: she had. I went back and watched a little those
Speaker 1: shows you get you found those, Oh no, that you
Speaker 1: can get them YouTube is the great great time had
Speaker 1: her own booth was raised up high, and who's ever
Speaker 1: hosting the deal was standing up and then they would
Speaker 1: have a guest and the guests would come walking up
Speaker 1: onto the stage. Yeah. I was in this like dark
Speaker 1: corner anyway, but it made me think of the kids table. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a kids table, and like it's been this
Speaker 1: way since we started the show. Like, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people that call in and email us from Maryland.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Virginia, NEBBI and Silver Spring, Upper Marlborough, Maryland. Right.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's rebellion against your parents, two
Speaker 1: Redskins fans or what, but there's a lot of Cowboys fans.
Speaker 1: I'll give you two reasons. One, when the Cowboys and
Speaker 1: tech Shram were developing their radio network, he bought us.
Speaker 1: He got a station on their network in Virginia, beat
Speaker 1: Virginia and so people got a chance to hear that
Speaker 1: the Cowboy games all the time, right, and they developed fans.
Speaker 1: The second thing that happened was when Lyndon Johnson took
Speaker 1: office as the vice president and then became the president
Speaker 1: after Kennedy was assassinated, all these people from Texas had
Speaker 1: to come and walk in Washington, DC. Right, So it
Speaker 1: was like a bunch of Cowboy fans were implanted in Washington, DC.
Speaker 1: You know, some of them might have stayed, some of
Speaker 1: them developed friendships, and they became Cowboy fans. So that's
Speaker 1: kind of how it started back in as early as
Speaker 1: nineteen sixty when they first started. It's it's it's always
Speaker 1: been fascinating to me too that they've Even when they realignment,
Speaker 1: when all that was going on there, the Cowboys were
Speaker 1: just adamant about not moving. They're like, no, we're gonna
Speaker 1: We're still gonna play Philadelphia, New York, Washington, your major cities.
Speaker 1: I mean they're playing in the nation's capital, right exactly.
Speaker 1: I mean everybody's like, oh, we want to be closer
Speaker 1: geographical locations, rivals. Yeah. Dallas is like no, no, we're
Speaker 1: gonna keep playing the red Skins. We're gonna keep playing
Speaker 1: the Giants from keep playing the Eagles, And actually, I mean,
Speaker 1: when you think about a comfort standpoint, logistically, those are
Speaker 1: long road trips. Sure, it's actually harder on you than it. Yes,
Speaker 1: if you're going to Arizona. Back of the day they
Speaker 1: got rid of stay Saint Louis and then Saint Louis
Speaker 1: goes to Arizona and they're like, yeah, they're gonna We're
Speaker 1: gonna put them in the West. Okay, fine, there was
Speaker 1: no fight to move from Saint Louis. You know, that
Speaker 1: was no fight, and but yeah they'll fight you on.
Speaker 1: You know, it's important for the Cowboys to have that
Speaker 1: that that presence in that part of the country. I
Speaker 1: think it's a shame though that I bet majority of
Speaker 1: these people on the team now have no idea. No,
Speaker 1: they don't what it used to be like, what it
Speaker 1: used to be like, or what it is like. Still
Speaker 1: with the fans in Washington, Yeah, they still get fired
Speaker 1: up and they still hate the Cowboys and they're still
Speaker 1: that you know. It was I don't know, several years ago,
Speaker 1: uh Keller and I were out in Georgetown and we
Speaker 1: were watching a game on I think they were playing
Speaker 1: a Monday night game, so where we were somewhere watching
Speaker 1: a game on Sunday night, and there was some guy
Speaker 1: there and he found out where what we did and everything,
Speaker 1: and he still was bitter about the Clint Longley game
Speaker 1: on Thanksgiving. Said he goes, I couldn't eat my Thanksgiving dinner.
Speaker 1: I was sick to my and he was probably at
Speaker 1: that time a teenager. Right seventy four run my Thanksgiving
Speaker 1: and he was still bitter. Biggest mistake you've ever made
Speaker 1: as a sports fan? Oh yeah, leave. I was eleven
Speaker 1: years old. My my, my family had tickets. Like I said,
Speaker 1: my I went with the game with my grandmother and
Speaker 1: left the game early. When when Staubach got knocked out,
Speaker 1: we went to the Morton's food and we're in the
Speaker 1: restaurant business. My family and went to Morton's Foods had
Speaker 1: a bus that used to take us and drop us
Speaker 1: off right next to the gate. So as part of
Speaker 1: buying their product, we got to ride this bus every
Speaker 1: home game. Great service, and so you know, we left early.
Speaker 1: My grandmother and I were sitting in the bus and
Speaker 1: nobody's in the bus and everybody comes storming on. Everybody's yelling,
Speaker 1: cheering all I'm like, well what happened? And the bus
Speaker 1: didn't leave the game was a bus. It was a
Speaker 1: it was a it was a city a Dallas City bus,
Speaker 1: one of those Dallas City bus, not the yellow ones.
Speaker 1: But remember the old back way had to sit there
Speaker 1: like green and oh yeah, okay. So they had this
Speaker 1: bus and Morten's Food had a bar on it and
Speaker 1: food and all that. So all the people that they
Speaker 1: you know, that bought product from them, got to ride
Speaker 1: this bus and these people came back. I'll never forget that,
Speaker 1: eleven years old, sitting there and those people we won.
Speaker 1: They put Clint Longley in and he threw and I
Speaker 1: looked at my grandmother and she says, I'm so sorry,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, from that point on, I never left
Speaker 1: a sporting event early. I mean traffic, no matter what
Speaker 1: I'm not, I'm just not going to do it because
Speaker 1: because of that that right there, eleven here. I'm fifty
Speaker 1: four years old now and I remember that like it
Speaker 1: was yesterday. But you know, I was going to ask
Speaker 1: you guys, you know, as far as NFC sports hate rivals,
Speaker 1: what what what an NFC East team do you disliked
Speaker 1: the most sports hate? Sports hate? Of the three options
Speaker 1: the three Giants, Eagles or Redskins. Yeah, man, see Mickey
Speaker 1: brought up. And the reason why I want to ask,
Speaker 1: because Mickey brought up that point of See, I grew
Speaker 1: up not liking the Redskins at all because we we
Speaker 1: being a fan, owned the Eagles, we owned the Giants.
Speaker 1: The Redskins were a whole different thing. So I wonder
Speaker 1: if sports hate the older crowd still hates the Redskins,
Speaker 1: but then the younger crowd is like Eagles. I'm sure
Speaker 1: that's what it is. Yeah, And you know, and the
Speaker 1: reason it started was, you know, even though the Cowboys
Speaker 1: were bad when they first began in the sixties, the
Speaker 1: Redskins were as bad, right, And they didn't get good
Speaker 1: until the early seventies, George George Allen, And so all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Redskins were taken away something that
Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys thought was there inalienable right to
Speaker 1: win the NFC East every year, right, And they beat
Speaker 1: him a couple of years, then they beat him the
Speaker 1: playoffs that one year, and then this thing really cranked up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, before it was just kind of a fan thing,
Speaker 1: and then it became a player thing personal and think
Speaker 1: about it. You had the same players playing each other
Speaker 1: twice a year forever there was no free agency. So
Speaker 1: you played the same guys ten years. You go and
Speaker 1: go ask Roger Staubuck. He'll still get fired up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he'll still get mad about them knocking out of the
Speaker 1: knocking him out of that seventy four Thanksgiving game because
Speaker 1: they said they were going to do it, and they
Speaker 1: did it and said, you know, that's all we got
Speaker 1: to do because that's all they got and we'll beat them. Yeah,
Speaker 1: the league encouraged you to talk poorly about the other
Speaker 1: team and try and knock their players out wrestling, and
Speaker 1: then and then we get the Bounty Bowls and stuff
Speaker 1: like that, where well we don't we shouldn't go out,
Speaker 1: we should be hunting players, you know. But back then,
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the newspaper guys, the stories back and
Speaker 1: forth between Washington and Dawson. They didn't have ESPN and
Speaker 1: all these people that interviews Mike's and to face me,
Speaker 1: what you were hearing was what you were reading. You know,
Speaker 1: that's that's what you saw. Yeah, that's and and and
Speaker 1: actually you know that. And tonight, by the way, we'll
Speaker 1: get into it because our guest on the Legend Shows
Speaker 1: is Dennis Thurman, who was right in the middle of
Speaker 1: the deal in the late seventies and through the eighties,
Speaker 1: and you know, and in eighty five they became Thurman's
Speaker 1: Thieves because they had so many interceptions. While the first
Speaker 1: game of the year, the opener was against Washington on
Speaker 1: a Sunday night, on Monday night game, and it was
Speaker 1: Joe Theisman's birthday, and they picked him I think it
Speaker 1: was either four or five times, and by time the
Speaker 1: fifth pick and they took him out, the whole place
Speaker 1: stood up and started singing Happy Birthday, and they would
Speaker 1: call him Joey. It wasn't Joe, it was Happy Birthday, Joey.
Speaker 1: And it was amazing. And I'm sure Dennis remembers that
Speaker 1: I had to be back in the day. I love,
Speaker 1: I love back in the day. You know. The fun
Speaker 1: thing was back then covering those games at RFK is
Speaker 1: you place moved you it takes you could take the metro, yeah,
Speaker 1: and it would drop you off like two two and
Speaker 1: a half three blocks from the stadium. So you're walking
Speaker 1: through all the crowd and they're getting jacked up for
Speaker 1: the game and they're selling their Cowboys suck t shirts.
Speaker 1: And also there was some with not an s in
Speaker 1: Fan of the uc K and and it was just unbelievable.
Speaker 1: It was like you got as a writer, you got
Speaker 1: ready for the game. It's like, oh, something really important
Speaker 1: is getting ready to have absolutely and I think you
Speaker 1: nailed it. Because roster turnover, the parody now, the salary cap,
Speaker 1: the roster's changed so much that there's not that contempt
Speaker 1: bread by a familiarity. Yeah, you don't have the John
Speaker 1: Riggins and Joe Thismans and Art Monks. And then way
Speaker 1: back in the day, you know, like the Jack Parties
Speaker 1: and the pat Fishers, and I mean these are all
Speaker 1: guys I grew up just despising. I really, I mean
Speaker 1: I see those guys. I see Sonny Jurgensen, like you know,
Speaker 1: he was I don't know, I think he's still doing
Speaker 1: the games. I think I think he is. See Sonny
Speaker 1: said some him to press box one time in Buffalo,
Speaker 1: and I went up to him. I said, mister Jergors,
Speaker 1: introduced myself. He's, oh, yeah, he has cigar hanging out
Speaker 1: of the core of his mouth. And and I just
Speaker 1: sat there for like thirty minutes. We're talking about the rivalry.
Speaker 1: And he was telling stories that were just you know,
Speaker 1: and again. I know fans today are kind of going on,
Speaker 1: shut up, brought us. But for a kid growing up
Speaker 1: in that era, you know, it's like the guy who's
Speaker 1: grows up in New York City, that's a Yankee fan
Speaker 1: that gets to talk to Mickey Maniler, gets to talk
Speaker 1: to Whitey Ford, or gets to talk to those great
Speaker 1: you know players back then. I mean that that's that's
Speaker 1: how I grew up. That's how I got, you know,
Speaker 1: into involved with football because the rivalries with the red
Speaker 1: Skins and like that. Here's how it's changed. I know,
Speaker 1: because since I've started covering this team, the closest thing
Speaker 1: I can think of to a really bitter rivalry within
Speaker 1: the division. And tell me if I'm wrong, maybe ten
Speaker 1: years ago with the Giants with Brandon Jacobs and you
Speaker 1: know he would he would talk every week and try
Speaker 1: to get Craton and those guys fired up. That's the
Speaker 1: closest thing I can think of. And now it's kind
Speaker 1: of maybe it's shift into Philly, and with Philly it's
Speaker 1: it's about their fans as much as anything. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: see I that I worked for a year. I kind
Speaker 1: of appreciate the Philly fan because I lived there. For
Speaker 1: a year and worked. They're great fans, but they're not
Speaker 1: you know, yeah take oh no, yeah, no exactly. It's
Speaker 1: it's tough, but my my sports hatred for Washington Redskins
Speaker 1: is still intense. It still is intense, you know, even
Speaker 1: I mean I again, I when when we I wish
Speaker 1: we still played at that old RFK because that those
Speaker 1: I missed, those places I missed seeing I would probably
Speaker 1: go on road trips if we still played at places
Speaker 1: like that, I really would. Now. Mickey will tell you
Speaker 1: he had to hide around a corner to look through
Speaker 1: a little uh to watch a game. He got thrown
Speaker 1: outside and he had to look through a little narrow
Speaker 1: crack to see the field. Am I right about that? Mickey? No?
Speaker 1: That actually that was in Saint Louis, Okay, well I
Speaker 1: thought it was at URFK. The press box was basically
Speaker 1: open air. We was covered by the overhang of the stands,
Speaker 1: but it was open air. So if it was twenty
Speaker 1: degrees outside, you're sitting out there, it's really hard to
Speaker 1: type with gloves on it. And then you would go
Speaker 1: in this little room where they'd serve you food before
Speaker 1: the game halftime, and the heat would be on to
Speaker 1: like ninety five degrees, so to choose your poison, freeze
Speaker 1: or sweat to death while you were writing, and there
Speaker 1: was no room there. I remember vividly when they won
Speaker 1: their one game in nineteen eighty nine. It was the
Speaker 1: ninth game of the season. They were eight no or
Speaker 1: were they and eight or oh and nine? And it
Speaker 1: was a Sunday night game for some god forsaken reason.
Speaker 1: And I was sitting it was so crowded in the
Speaker 1: press box. I had to sit like sideways with my
Speaker 1: left shoulder forward because Blackie Sharade was next to me
Speaker 1: and he was basically in my lap and it was
Speaker 1: like he was going to move, and it was like
Speaker 1: one of those folding chairs, one of those wooden folding
Speaker 1: chairs they used to have at the VFWA, you know.
Speaker 1: And it was like, seriously, then your doome is kind
Speaker 1: of like that, but that sounds worse, and you know what,
Speaker 1: And I got to give Skip Bayless credit. He came
Speaker 1: up with the greatest name for rfk rickety field for knuckleheads.
Speaker 1: That's it. Wow, And Edie was right, it was right.
Speaker 1: Those people were crazy. So you're saying sportswriters were tougher
Speaker 1: back in the day too, Yes, they were. It was
Speaker 1: a tougher time. The carrier typewriter, Yeah, your typewriter stairs,
Speaker 1: no email to file your story over the phone. Gary
Speaker 1: Myers almost gotten the fight over a telephone one time, right,
Speaker 1: it was, it was. It was quite an experience. You know,
Speaker 1: when you're going through it, you look at it as
Speaker 1: a hardship. Yeah, when you think back, when you go,
Speaker 1: that was pretty damn cool. I missed those days. I
Speaker 1: mean I would if I was that. If I was,
Speaker 1: I would have missed those days of like, you know,
Speaker 1: kind of just getting in the middle of everybody. I
Speaker 1: got My favorite movie is eight min Out, you know,
Speaker 1: great movie, and so like riding the train with the
Speaker 1: players and drinking and smoking guard. Yeah, you know, I've
Speaker 1: got a book of stories. But the two that stand
Speaker 1: out the most had to do with Harvey Martin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they were playing they were playing up there one year
Speaker 1: and he had to go through the dugout to go
Speaker 1: into the locker room, so you had to you were
Speaker 1: really close to the fans. And uh before the week
Speaker 1: before the week of one of the games they were
Speaker 1: playing at RFK, story came out that Harvey had to
Speaker 1: file for bankruptcy, right, So he tells me the story
Speaker 1: that he goes, Yeah, he goes, after the game, you know,
Speaker 1: we we got beat and oh no, he goes, I
Speaker 1: was going in after warmups and he goes, I'm going
Speaker 1: into the dugout and all of a sudden, I hear this.
Speaker 1: Something's hit me in the helmet. He's like pin pin pain.
Speaker 1: And they were throwing like coins at him, and some
Speaker 1: guy yells out, hey, Harve, do you need a loan?
Speaker 1: And they were throwing them change. And one year they
Speaker 1: were going in after the game they won and somebody
Speaker 1: cracked a bottle over I don't I think it was
Speaker 1: Charlie waters helmet and Randy White was walking with him,
Speaker 1: Harvey and Cliff and and and and Randy or or
Speaker 1: Harvey looked and says, all right, let's go, and they
Speaker 1: went into the stands and beat the snot out of
Speaker 1: the guy. Way. Yeah. That last, real quick Harvey Martin
Speaker 1: story is there was someone put a wreath and he
Speaker 1: and he opened the Redskins dressing room door and through
Speaker 1: the reef. It's like a funeral. They sent it. They
Speaker 1: sent it to him. It was seventy nine and it
Speaker 1: was the game here at Texas Stadium and Thomas the
Speaker 1: winner was going to win the NFC East, the loser
Speaker 1: was not going to make the playoffs. And about midweek,
Speaker 1: this wreath, it was a funeral which shows up at
Speaker 1: their practice facility and it has a sign on there
Speaker 1: you know, your cowboys, you're dead or whatever something like that.
Speaker 1: So they kept it and and and on Saturday, somebody said, Harve,
Speaker 1: what are you gonna do with that? He goes, I
Speaker 1: don't know, And he goes, why don't you bring it
Speaker 1: with you? Yeah, you know, bring it to the stadium.
Speaker 1: So they had it in the locker room. And they won.
Speaker 1: And there's a picture of Harvey in his uniform carrying
Speaker 1: the wreath and he's going up the tunnel at Texas
Speaker 1: Stadium where the visitors were and a lot of the
Speaker 1: guys didn't even know where that tunnel was. I had
Speaker 1: no idea. And he opens the door and throws it
Speaker 1: in there, and it's like, take that, we're not dead.
Speaker 1: And they were in the middle, they were all kneeling
Speaker 1: in the middle of their postgame prayer those days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's WW style, and you know, bring that back. One
Speaker 1: of the reporters at the Washington Post I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was. Weeks later, years later,
Speaker 1: researched it and found out that it was really a
Speaker 1: Cowboy fan that purchased the wreath and sent it to
Speaker 1: him as incentive. And when I told Harvey about the
Speaker 1: story I found he goes, I don't believe that. I
Speaker 1: know it was a Redskins fan. Seth Now, sports hate,
Speaker 1: sports hate. There's nothing like good sports hate. Gotta love
Speaker 1: sports hate. We'll try to try to rekindle that a
Speaker 1: little bit today. That's good on the screen there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you gonna look, can't your great shop? Kn't wait to
Speaker 1: go if you're watching along in with us today, and
Speaker 1: I hope maybe if you're listening, go back and lugas.
Speaker 1: But Kent's got it, get it right there. I wish
Speaker 1: I would. I didn't know we'd get into blue dot
Speaker 1: com for that. Yeah, I could have brought my book
Speaker 1: down because we have a black and white picture of
Speaker 1: that in the book. Could get bring it tomorrow or Friday. Okay,
Speaker 1: well we'll get We'll do it fan Friday. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: a good idea, all right. By the way, eight five
Speaker 1: five two two ninety seven is the nut joy that
Speaker 1: kind of talk. I'm love it. Driving folks nuts. No,
Speaker 1: that's I relived a little bit there. Get everybody fired
Speaker 1: up for this rival rekindled this week this Sunday ports
Speaker 1: hate the Redskins. Hey, a lot of fans out there doing,
Speaker 1: a lot of fans probably up there in Redskins country.
Speaker 1: Yeah as well. So all right, Brian, you got some
Speaker 1: tough questions for us, some questions. I don't know if
Speaker 1: they're tough. I got some questions. All right. We'll get
Speaker 1: to those out of the break, and before we get
Speaker 1: out of here of the next hour, we will talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about this Redskins defense, a challenge they
Speaker 1: present the Dallas offense. But we'll get to Brian's tough
Speaker 1: questions next. On talking cowboys or has been helping Cowboys
Speaker 1: fans seed better since nineteen seventy two, said they don't
Speaker 1: miss a moment on the field. Get glasses with slurs
Speaker 1: best vision, clarity and protection with the Ultimate Lens Package.
Speaker 1: Three innovative technologies in one lens. For a limited time.
Speaker 1: You can double your lenses for free when you purchase
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Lens Package and get a second pair of frames.
Speaker 1: Find up participating I Care Professional and details by visiting
Speaker 1: slor USA dot com. That's USA dot com. Terms and
Speaker 1: conditions applaud you're like me and you love. I mean,
Speaker 1: if you have a thing, then cutting the chord is scary.
Speaker 1: But then I found out I could switch it to
Speaker 1: ATV now and still get the live sports I love.
Speaker 1: No satellite needed, no poky hardware, no annual contract, just
Speaker 1: that the live sports. You try DirecTV now for ten
Speaker 1: dollars a month for three months. Visit DirecTV now dot
Speaker 1: com DirecTV now more for your thing. That's our thing.
Speaker 1: He's called real the a limited time price with a a
Speaker 1: little litle package after three months when his monthday full
Speaker 1: price currently Madimum forty dollars and less. Casts prices may
Speaker 1: chance and we subscribe as a cancel any time. Content
Speaker 1: varies by package and maybe limited six in the pick
Speaker 1: a man's steps and doesn't just protect him from life's elements,
Speaker 1: it projects an unstoppable and legendary spirit, just like the
Speaker 1: men wearing silver and navy on the field every Sunday
Speaker 1: sends eighteen sixty five stets and hats are American made
Speaker 1: with pride right here in Texas. They are still the
Speaker 1: official crown of all self prospecting Cowboys, and Stetson is
Speaker 1: proud to be on the field with America's team. Find
Speaker 1: steps and hats in the pro shop or at Stetson
Speaker 1: dot Com Today. Doctor Pepper is the one you crave.
Speaker 1: But how do you explain that craving? Imagine being shipwrecked
Speaker 1: on a desert island, anone glass like curls of self
Speaker 1: bound the shore with Doctor Pepper colored waves, surrounded by desire.
Speaker 1: But you can't drink, kids, because it's the ocean fish
Speaker 1: even there. The only thing you want he's Doctor Pepper
Speaker 1: and you can't have it. Now, That is it, Doctor Pepper?
Speaker 1: Craving Doctor Pepper? When you crave to talk In Cowboys,
Speaker 1: Tommy John gives you the feeling of freedom where it counts,
Speaker 1: with a Conter pouch that nestles the boys. Of course,
Speaker 1: with over three million pairs sold, we've put the hustle.
Speaker 1: We've put in the hustle to make sure you're nestled.
Speaker 1: I gave you the shortest one shop exclusive Cowboys underwear
Speaker 1: and Tommy John dot Com forward slash Cowboys very good.
Speaker 1: That's different than Get Jack Black. Yeah, absolutely, yeah, you
Speaker 1: got that one coming up too, I know. And you
Speaker 1: know where. I left it on my desk after I
Speaker 1: went to the trouble of getting it, printing it, laminating it,
Speaker 1: and then I left it on my desk. That's okay, man,
Speaker 1: Tomorrow's right there with you. I like it when you
Speaker 1: wing it anyway. All right, Welcome back to Talking Cowboys
Speaker 1: inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. We're here for the next
Speaker 1: thirty odd minutes. Cowboys returned to practice today. Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: will be live at ten thirty five Central Time right
Speaker 1: after this show. But as we start segment, to Brian,
Speaker 1: you got a little game for us today. I always
Speaker 1: like to ask a few questions and as Mickey always
Speaker 1: asked Mandy to answer the question as well, and that's
Speaker 1: important and I do agree with him on that. And
Speaker 1: my first question for you guys are are you surprised
Speaker 1: how smoothly the defense has played without Shawn Lee? Yes,
Speaker 1: I thought they were better prepared to absorb his loss.
Speaker 1: But I was worried, not so much from a talent standpoint,
Speaker 1: because I think we kind of got a taste of
Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith was going to be this year. Wasn't
Speaker 1: totally sold in the beginning on Layton Vander esh figured
Speaker 1: he'd need some time, sure, but I was worried more
Speaker 1: about how organized they would be. Who would be the
Speaker 1: guy that gets right now and you know, and diagnosed
Speaker 1: the plays. And surprisingly Vanders seems to diagnose plays. He's
Speaker 1: got some of that, and Sean Lee's sense out there
Speaker 1: does so. Yeah, I think that I think they've absorbed
Speaker 1: as loss better than I expected, seeing that they lost
Speaker 1: ten of eleven over the previous three years when either
Speaker 1: he didn't play or didn't finish a game because of injury.
Speaker 1: I would I'm surprised at how they really haven't seemed
Speaker 1: to miss a beat. It's gonna answer Mickey by the way,
Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I'm not that surprised that they've still
Speaker 1: been able to function well, but the level they've continued
Speaker 1: to play at has been surprised. Yeah, because they I mean,
Speaker 1: this was a dominant effort last week. And really, I
Speaker 1: mean when you look at the numbers what they're doing,
Speaker 1: it seems like they mean better. Yes, I mean not
Speaker 1: not without but the things that we thought that were
Speaker 1: like okay, this, like Mickey said, instinctually, how are things
Speaker 1: gonna go? Are they gonna be able to communicate? Are
Speaker 1: they going to be able to line up. Are they
Speaker 1: going to be able to make plays? It seems like
Speaker 1: every week that they've gotten better. And I don't think
Speaker 1: it's lack of Sean Lee. I just think the I
Speaker 1: think the linebackers have gotten better. Yeah. I didn't worry
Speaker 1: as much as some people did about the communication part
Speaker 1: of it, because Jalen Smith's been in this defense a
Speaker 1: couple of years now, even when he wasn't playing, He's
Speaker 1: been around it. Uh, You've got Chris Rashard, who's a
Speaker 1: good coach as that passing game coordinator to kind of
Speaker 1: marry the back end with the front seven. Um. But
Speaker 1: vander Esh is the one who surprised me the most.
Speaker 1: And I know we talked about this a little bit yesterday.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he would be this good this early
Speaker 1: game time that he missed in preseason. Yeah, and he's
Speaker 1: been outstanding. We were talking about that last night at
Speaker 1: happy Hour. Yeah that that Okay, that if with vander
Speaker 1: Esh with time he missed in the OTA's and then
Speaker 1: into training camp, you're thinking, oh, is this a setback?
Speaker 1: Is this going to be a huge setback? But I
Speaker 1: totally agree with what you guys are saying there. I
Speaker 1: was just I was like Mickey, I was worried about, Okay,
Speaker 1: who is going to hold things together? Remember I was
Speaker 1: the one screaming for a trade for Earl Thomas because
Speaker 1: I was worried with Shawn Lee going out, who was
Speaker 1: going to hold the defense together? You know, I was thinking, Okay,
Speaker 1: if you got Earl Thomas, then Earl Thomas can be
Speaker 1: the glue of Shawn Lee somehow misses three games, Who's
Speaker 1: going to be the glue? Little did I know? The
Speaker 1: glue has been the play of them. It hasn't been
Speaker 1: the leadership. It's been the It's been the play of
Speaker 1: the front seven. It's been the play of the secondary.
Speaker 1: You know, the way they've been able to hold up.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I I you know, I count me? Is
Speaker 1: count me? A surprise? It's gone as smoothly as it
Speaker 1: has and the overall talent on the defense is better
Speaker 1: than it was last year. These guys from last year,
Speaker 1: the rookies are a year older. Yeah, this is the
Speaker 1: deepest defensive line now that I can remember, since Rod
Speaker 1: has been the defensive coordinator. And it should only get
Speaker 1: better as long as David Irving is on the field
Speaker 1: and engaged and all that stuff. Probably gonna miss today, right,
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a David. You know what he said.
Speaker 1: He said after the game that he thought he would
Speaker 1: get back here in time for practice. Okay, so this
Speaker 1: is a local, yes, local, Yeah, we're doing that. And
Speaker 1: he said something about thank you judge for working early,
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, like eight or nine o'clock,
Speaker 1: and so he thought he'd be here. He said it
Speaker 1: in the locker room after the game, that judge who knows,
Speaker 1: because you know how courts go. Yeah, astins get delayed
Speaker 1: their own spend, yes, you know. And one other thing
Speaker 1: on this leadership thing for you to the next one.
Speaker 1: I think a guy that has somewhat emerged has been
Speaker 1: Jeff Heath. Yeah, that's that's a good point too. He
Speaker 1: seems to kind of be calming back, calming, not not
Speaker 1: a raw, raw guy, but just kind of knowing what's
Speaker 1: going on and helping those other young guys out. Uh.
Speaker 1: And even in the locker room, you know, he's been
Speaker 1: a little bit well, people have asked him question but
Speaker 1: he's more outspoken, like he'll he's a quiet guy. He'll
Speaker 1: give you some information, but he's quiet. Yeah. That tackle
Speaker 1: he made last Sunday, Holy Kyle, he will make some place. Okay.
Speaker 1: My next question for you guys is the player that
Speaker 1: has been quiet early but is due to break out
Speaker 1: in the second half. Here you have somebody mind that
Speaker 1: has been a little quiet and then all of a
Speaker 1: sudden though you're feeling like, Okay, this guy's gonna have
Speaker 1: that to you know, carry you through a few games.
Speaker 1: You're chuckling, Mick. I know because it's the same answer
Speaker 1: I come up with every week, is that this guy
Speaker 1: is gonna bust out. And it's Michael Gackael Gallop. I
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking you were going to go that direction,
Speaker 1: but you know, Gallup, if he gets the chance, That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I keep asking, and Mickey, I see
Speaker 1: you keep asking him, asking in you know the audience. Hey,
Speaker 1: give him a chance, give him a chance, and I'm
Speaker 1: waiting for him to be that guy. I think I
Speaker 1: agree with Mickey again. I think he's the guy that
Speaker 1: needs to be the I think he needs to be.
Speaker 1: You know, take it to him a little more, just
Speaker 1: just go ahead and trust him a little more trying.
Speaker 1: You know, you get it. You get him going early
Speaker 1: in that game, and I'm sure someone will say, well,
Speaker 1: broad us. He ran the route, it clanged off his hands,
Speaker 1: you know, da da da da da. I get that,
Speaker 1: But I'm I just think there's too much talent there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just think there's too much talent there. Yeah. Let
Speaker 1: me ask you this what we've seen about. How about Taco?
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough matchup this week against Trent Williams,
Speaker 1: let's not. I mean, and when we get into that,
Speaker 1: when the Redskins offense, it's not could be easy for
Speaker 1: him to have to do. But what about a guy
Speaker 1: like Taco He's won The guy MALIEK. Collins. I was
Speaker 1: gonna go with Malik's second got his first sack last week.
Speaker 1: Now he plays if he's playing Darwin, he's playing the nose. Yeah.
Speaker 1: If Malik's playing the nose, you know, the numbers are
Speaker 1: harder to get to. I think then you're playing that undertackle.
Speaker 1: The guy I was gonna say is Randy Gregory. If
Speaker 1: you look what he's done the last two games. I
Speaker 1: think he had forty snap about this yesterday he had
Speaker 1: five quarterback pressures in there. Then he only plays seventeen
Speaker 1: snaps last week with you know, kind of a knee issue. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and gets his first sack and is around the ball
Speaker 1: more and is kind of playing through stuff. Uh, he
Speaker 1: showed them something the last couple of games. Now can
Speaker 1: he continue to be consistent with it? But that is
Speaker 1: encouraging these last couple of games that he's played. You're
Speaker 1: still you're you're You're with your receiver, though, Mickey, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna stay with him. I don't. I don't disagree with you, dude.
Speaker 1: I think he's the dude, he's the most first time
Speaker 1: I've ever knew he's Uh, he might be the most
Speaker 1: explosive receiver on this team, just in terms of pure
Speaker 1: ability to separate down the field. You know, the previous
Speaker 1: game you mentioned Houston, he had four solo tackles, three
Speaker 1: assisted tackles, so seven total, Brandy, you're talking about here,
Speaker 1: five quarterback pressures five and this this last game, I
Speaker 1: don't have it, but he played seventeen snaps and had
Speaker 1: you know, oh no, he couples. I was confusing and
Speaker 1: with Irving, he had three tackles, two for loss, he
Speaker 1: had the sack, and he had three or four quarterback hits,
Speaker 1: So not bad for seventeen snaps. I was just kind
Speaker 1: of thinking like him. I think it was gonna be
Speaker 1: one of those defensive ends him. Taco. Maybe, like you said,
Speaker 1: David Irving, you know you could be a part of that.
Speaker 1: You know who's starting the flash in more plays is
Speaker 1: Xavier Woods. And because there you go, because that was
Speaker 1: an overthrow and he's basically thrown up for grabs, I
Speaker 1: don't disagree he's start. You're starting to see twenty five
Speaker 1: closer to the ball, especially when the ball's going downfield. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he got he's he's he's funny. He's taking that Houston
Speaker 1: game kind of clicks something for him. As far as
Speaker 1: taking a run at some of those offensive players. You
Speaker 1: know that with Watson's running the sidelines, he's running over there.
Speaker 1: He banged, he's banging in the guys stuff. I was thinking, oh, okay,
Speaker 1: something's happened here. You're Christopher Shard said something to him.
Speaker 1: Got him kind of going. Now now he's trying to
Speaker 1: he's trying to light some people up. He got that
Speaker 1: big hit in the game and got a penalty. I
Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know how you avoid that
Speaker 1: penalty because either let him catch it or you or
Speaker 1: you or you get the penalty. Can't let him catch it,
Speaker 1: for sure, so okay, you got a time for another one, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Um described Connor williams rookie season in
Speaker 1: one word else can I say mine ahead? I went
Speaker 1: the word encouraging, okay, And I know and I went
Speaker 1: encouraging because I feel like I've seen him getting better
Speaker 1: each week. I feel like I'm seeing him. You know,
Speaker 1: I was worried about him in this Jacksonville game of
Speaker 1: him sliding that Claius Campbell down inside. I'm worried about
Speaker 1: Malik Jackson. You know. I didn't hear a lot from
Speaker 1: those guys, and a lot have to do with with
Speaker 1: what the tackles were doing. But Connor Williams, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's you know, maybe early we thought, okay, a
Speaker 1: little bit of a liability with the power and the
Speaker 1: strength and all that. But I'm encouraged by his the
Speaker 1: way he's played so far, I really am. And this
Speaker 1: week again we'll talk about it. It won't be easy
Speaker 1: with the Ron Payne and Jonathan Allen and those guys.
Speaker 1: I mean, those are two big war Daddy type defensive tackles.
Speaker 1: But I'm encouraged by Connor Williams what I've seen with him,
Speaker 1: pulling the pass protection, the things like that, he had
Speaker 1: a pull block to get Zeke free on the right side,
Speaker 1: captured the edge. I can't remember. I think it was
Speaker 1: maybe first half. Yeah, it was just the athleticism. Super impressive.
Speaker 1: That's the word. Well, that's the that's the first thing
Speaker 1: you notice about him. I might say. Battling. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: because like we've talked about it, he's faced some guys
Speaker 1: that are just stronger than him, but he he doesn't
Speaker 1: back down from it. And again, it may take him
Speaker 1: a year to build that strength up, but he hasn't
Speaker 1: backed down from challenges. And it hasn't been perfect, but
Speaker 1: he's been solid. I worried about him too with no
Speaker 1: Tras Frederick. Yeah, that's where I said, because I thought, Okay,
Speaker 1: at least Travis Frederick will help him, you know, because
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick's capable of doing that count Travis Fredericks was
Speaker 1: capable of knowing his assignments, knowing your assignments, and executing
Speaker 1: both your assignments. You know, his assignments and your assignments.
Speaker 1: So you know, with Joe, I was worried about Joe
Speaker 1: just having to worry about his own assignments and trying
Speaker 1: to execute those. But I think that I think that
Speaker 1: Connor Williams and some one on one stuff has actually
Speaker 1: been pretty good. He gets a break this week because
Speaker 1: they cut Ziggy hood. They did do that yesterday. Huh. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he has a backup. But yeah, because Ziggy Jonathan Allen
Speaker 1: and yeah, those guys in pain are pretty darn yeah
Speaker 1: they are. I've got it. I'm gonna have to use
Speaker 1: a compound word that I'm gonna make up, okay, because
Speaker 1: this is the first thing that came to my mind.
Speaker 1: Arrow up, Arrow up, arrow up. Here we go with
Speaker 1: a hyphen yes, one word, or we could make it
Speaker 1: one word if we why, I would ride it that
Speaker 1: way and that yellow line or that red line would
Speaker 1: come underneath it would Yeah, right, get that line? How
Speaker 1: do you? Okay? In the but when I make up boards,
Speaker 1: I get tired when I see that. Yeah, but do
Speaker 1: you see an arrow up? Because if you encouraged, I
Speaker 1: think the more he plays, the better he gets. And
Speaker 1: I think they're figuring out ways to use him where
Speaker 1: he's more productive on the move. He's awfully darn good
Speaker 1: on the move. And and when you got two guards
Speaker 1: like that, let's let's get back to the packers student.
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, let's do the Lombardi sweet Lombardi sweep student.
Speaker 1: Body right, us body right, let's go. That's that's nothing
Speaker 1: wrong with that. You want to hit one more before
Speaker 1: one more for the break? Right? Could do you see
Speaker 1: the the bubble bursting for Brett maher mahar how do
Speaker 1: I say his name? Mahh yeah, Brett maher Well, I
Speaker 1: hope it. Did you see the bubble bursting for Brett Maher?
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't jinx him yesterday because I wrote
Speaker 1: about how you know, if we're going to rip the
Speaker 1: Cowboys front office for all right tight end receiver, maybe
Speaker 1: they didn't project well enough there. You can argue that
Speaker 1: if you want, um for now, they nailed this decision,
Speaker 1: because this guy has been absolute money. Yeah. I went
Speaker 1: back and looked at it. Uh. Dan Bailey I think
Speaker 1: had a stretch of twenty two consecutive field goals back
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, and he made eighteen a few years
Speaker 1: ago in a row. These guy's at fifteen and counting,
Speaker 1: you hope, um, and they've been pretty much down the middle. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean where he's like like it's a miss, Oh,
Speaker 1: it's good a couple of hooks, but yeah, he's been
Speaker 1: as steady as you could ask for. This will be
Speaker 1: a pretty good test for him. Chopped up field, grabutdoors.
Speaker 1: You don't know what the wind's gonna be doing, and
Speaker 1: then you start thinking because you know, really when he
Speaker 1: the first one he missed, had a little bit to
Speaker 1: do with the wind, right, you know, it was out
Speaker 1: to drifted it outside on grass. So it's a little
Speaker 1: bit of a different story. But uh, it is bubble bursting,
Speaker 1: meaning he misses one. I'm just saying. I'm just saying,
Speaker 1: is he just the bubble bursting because he continue only
Speaker 1: heard me when in Houston I said he, I mean
Speaker 1: he's due to miss one, right, it's gonna miss one. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he hasn't he's reset the bar. The bar was
Speaker 1: way down here. There wasn't a bar in preseason. We
Speaker 1: didn't even know he was a candidate, honestly. Yeah, So
Speaker 1: what's now, So that percentage is going to be in
Speaker 1: the ninety percent range. Yeah, I think he's leading the
Speaker 1: NFC and or he's one of the top and scoring.
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, If you keep this up, you're
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, Honestly, I mean you know
Speaker 1: in the AFC, justice is gonna make it. I just
Speaker 1: I don't see the guy failing. I really don't. Maybe
Speaker 1: that maybe I've totally jinxen him here, but I just
Speaker 1: don't see it. But Mickey's right again looking at tape,
Speaker 1: the field is chopped up. When you guys walk the
Speaker 1: field on Sunday, you're gonna see a chopped up field.
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna no telling what the wind, the
Speaker 1: weather conditions are going to be. Anybody look at that,
Speaker 1: And I know Mickey lost how many times. I mean,
Speaker 1: last year, you guys played a driving rainstorm in that game.
Speaker 1: So who knows the weather? That's all here is heading
Speaker 1: that way or towards that way. So yeah, I just
Speaker 1: I feel kind of feel like that. You know, I
Speaker 1: don't think it will for this guy. He's fifteen of sixteen.
Speaker 1: It's nine thirty eight, So yeah, ninety three almost ninety
Speaker 1: four percent. Uh, there's a couple guys that are, oh,
Speaker 1: eight of eight. Oh, they they've messed this thing up.
Speaker 1: One guy's sixteen of seventeen and they've got him at
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. Yeah, it's not really welcome to percent,
Speaker 1: is it? Welcome to the league? Is in the immortal
Speaker 1: words of Bill Parcels. One wrong, all wrong. Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: what Bill, you said. Tell me, I'd hand him somebod.
Speaker 1: He goes, that's not right. I'm like what he goes,
Speaker 1: one wrong, all wrong, and I'm like, okay, Actually that
Speaker 1: was my thinking when I you know, back in the
Speaker 1: day editing copy. If you make a fact mistake here,
Speaker 1: how do I believe that? Yeah, you can't, but the fact. Sorry,
Speaker 1: this kid's kicking, but he's gonna miss one. I don't
Speaker 1: think the bubble burst and I think he seems too
Speaker 1: strong mentally to go downhill. Well yeah, I mean we
Speaker 1: thought that about this redible risk that they took. It's
Speaker 1: halfway through. It's it's paying off for him. Now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Bailey was a little different circumstance. He got hurt, got her.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's mentally and he may say I'm
Speaker 1: back too soon. That's that's that's a fair for him.
Speaker 1: It was like a golf swing. It just kind of
Speaker 1: went south for Tiger. Wood's not winning for five years,
Speaker 1: yeah kind of. I mean, I think it was a
Speaker 1: carry over into the off season. Yeah. And one of
Speaker 1: the reasons why they brought this guy in, um he
Speaker 1: could punt and he can kick everybody a break. They're
Speaker 1: in training camp, and then I just don't think they
Speaker 1: they they got scared of sort of the mental nature
Speaker 1: of Bailey in training camps because he didn't kick that right,
Speaker 1: And they also saw this kid not miss Yeah, so
Speaker 1: it's another thing. And then I mean he malories and
Speaker 1: said he didn't make everyone. I I remember a couple
Speaker 1: of ugly kicks, right, Sure he missed too, yeah, But
Speaker 1: San Francisco he settled down and then it was like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's making everything, and you know, and and and part
Speaker 1: of me thought in the game Sunday that at the
Speaker 1: end when they kicked a fifty five yard or they
Speaker 1: made it't need to do that, right, But I think
Speaker 1: they thought, you know what, let's give me some confidence. Yeah,
Speaker 1: let's send him out there. You know, let's see what
Speaker 1: he can do from fifty five in a game, all right,
Speaker 1: And he nailed it. Yeah, he has nailed it. Ten
Speaker 1: games to go, a long way to go, but he
Speaker 1: is playing extremely well. Right now, Let's take our final break.
Speaker 1: When we come back, I've got a specific question for
Speaker 1: you guys about this Redskins defense. Next on talking Cowboys,
Speaker 1: if you're like me and you love. I mean, if
Speaker 1: you have a thing, then cutting the chord is scary.
Speaker 1: But then I found out I could switch it or
Speaker 1: ATV now and still get the live sports I love.
Speaker 1: No satellite needed, no bulky heart were, no annual contract,
Speaker 1: just that the live sports. You try direct TV now
Speaker 1: for ten dollars a month for three months. Visit DirecTV
Speaker 1: now dot com DirecTV now more for your thing that's
Speaker 1: out a thing he's called real the a limited time price,
Speaker 1: a little page if three months when he's monthat full
Speaker 1: price currently minimum forty dollars and less cans. Prices may
Speaker 1: change you Subscribers cancel any time. Content varies by package
Speaker 1: and maybe limited districts is a bo It's time for
Speaker 1: tailgating with the Auterbox boys. The Auterbox that builds those
Speaker 1: crazy protective phonecases. Yep, and now they're changing the side
Speaker 1: dish game with the Auterbox Trooper. Soft cooler, lightweight mobile,
Speaker 1: and leakproof Trooper is perfect for blitzing a crowded parking
Speaker 1: lot with a freedo pie. Amazing. Hey you think I
Speaker 1: could fit my seven layer salmon salad into the Trooper cooler? Yep?
Speaker 1: But please don't, and that's been tailgating with the auterbox boys.
Speaker 1: Learn more about the trooper soft coolers at auterbox dot com.
Speaker 1: While a player can look good on paper, it's when
Speaker 1: he's out on the field that you really find out
Speaker 1: what he's made of. That's whining to Cowboys rely on
Speaker 1: more than stabbed some scouting reports when building their team.
Speaker 1: When picking a tractor, it's why you should rely on
Speaker 1: more than specs and features as well. You got to
Speaker 1: take it out and put it to the test the
Speaker 1: Cowboys did when they name John Deer their official tractor.
Speaker 1: To experience one for yourself, visit your local Texas John
Speaker 1: Deer dealer or go to my John Deer Dealer dot com.
Speaker 1: Slash football. It can be hard to find the right
Speaker 1: resource for learning about important financial matters. You search how
Speaker 1: to build savings, you end up reading about the one
Speaker 1: weird ingredient from supermarkets that can make you taller. That's
Speaker 1: why Bank of America build Better Money Habits dot Com,
Speaker 1: a safe little corner of the Internet for answering your
Speaker 1: financial questions. Full of simple videos and tips, Better Money
Speaker 1: Habits can show you how to make the most of
Speaker 1: your money without resorting to random searches that always seem
Speaker 1: to lead to unbelievable photos of childhood stars grown up
Speaker 1: to learn more to visit Better Money Habits dot com.
Speaker 1: SLOR has been helping Cowboys fans see better since nineteen
Speaker 1: seventy two. Said they don't miss a moment on the field.
Speaker 1: Get glasses with slurs best vision, clarity and protection with
Speaker 1: the Ultimate Lens Package, three inovative technologies in one lens
Speaker 1: for a limited time. You can double your lenses for
Speaker 1: free when you purchase the Ultimate Lens Package and get
Speaker 1: a second pair of frames. Find a participating I Care
Speaker 1: professional and details by visiting SLOR USA dot com. That's
Speaker 1: USA dot com terms and conditions applying back to talk
Speaker 1: in Cowboys. Do you guys want to do what the
Speaker 1: pros do? Do you want to do what we do?
Speaker 1: You need to go get you some Jack Black. It's
Speaker 1: the best stuff that we have found here over the
Speaker 1: last couple of years and special offer the JV Faves.
Speaker 1: You get your four favorite Get Jack Black products for
Speaker 1: ten dollars ten dollars for shipping, and all you gotta
Speaker 1: do is use the promo co Cowboys go to get
Speaker 1: Jack Black dot com. Very good mick Bill Jones voice
Speaker 1: sir at the end. Yeah, y in there by the way,
Speaker 1: real quickly. I don't have the liner and and I'm
Speaker 1: not Bill Jones, but check out Kabu Texas. Yeah, May
Speaker 1: ten through twelve out of AT and T Stadium, not
Speaker 1: just a music festival. Got something for everybody, got great cuisine,
Speaker 1: got art exhibits, you got everything should be outstanding. Somebody
Speaker 1: stole that too, Yeah, yeah, I'd better quick taking our stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know who they is, but yeah, we have
Speaker 1: a camera on this. Your realize we're first and there's
Speaker 1: like three shows after some times, no, nonrena We're gonna
Speaker 1: tie it down right there. Okay, we'll do that. We'll
Speaker 1: do that all right. We only got a few minutes
Speaker 1: left in the show. If that happened. A lot of
Speaker 1: a lot of redskin talk today. And yeah it's Harvey
Speaker 1: Martin week. Yeah, there we go, Memorial Week. We might
Speaker 1: have time to squeeze in a phone call at the end,
Speaker 1: if you guys want to call in eight eight, five,
Speaker 1: two two nine sevens the number I wanted to touch
Speaker 1: quickly on the Redskins defense because we saw this renaissance
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys offense on Sunday against Jacksonville forty points.
Speaker 1: Just nobody saw that coming. Now they face a Redskins defense,
Speaker 1: guys that against the run just shut down the best
Speaker 1: running attack in the NFL through five weeks, Carolina eighty
Speaker 1: one yards. And what's interesting to me about it, guys,
Speaker 1: is the read option that we've seen already head to head,
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Christian McCaffrey. Number one, you see the Cowboys
Speaker 1: trying that more and actually continuing what we saw with
Speaker 1: Dak running more. And two, is this a bad matchup
Speaker 1: given with the way the Redskins handled that this past Sunday. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I went back and I did get to
Speaker 1: see the Carolina game. I didn't know if anybody else did. Yes, Okay,
Speaker 1: so yeah, they it was I don't think that the
Speaker 1: Carolina was totally committed to doing it. Well who was, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I was running the ball for him. Yeahcaffrey. McCaffrey was
Speaker 1: trying to run it. But they I don't think they.
Speaker 1: It looked like to me they came into the game
Speaker 1: trying to throw the ball all initially and they and
Speaker 1: they got but they got behind in this game. They
Speaker 1: got they got, Yeah, they got they got behind, and
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we talk about, oh, if you
Speaker 1: can make somebody one dimensional, you know in Carolina, when
Speaker 1: Carolina can't play either tied or with the lead, Cam
Speaker 1: Newton's really not interested in running all that much, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they've got to have that. They've
Speaker 1: got to have that as part of their their package.
Speaker 1: When they get behind, then all of a sudden, it
Speaker 1: turns into, Okay, we got to throw the ball. I
Speaker 1: think Dallas will be more committed to trying to do
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, the read options stuff, the RPO stuff.
Speaker 1: It's what makes it difficult is when we talk about
Speaker 1: this what I mentioned, you know, with Jonathan Allen, they
Speaker 1: made a big time commitment seventeenth overall pick. I had
Speaker 1: him as a top five guy, you know, in the
Speaker 1: in the draft coming out when he did in twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: Had some shoulder issues that maybe dropped him down the
Speaker 1: board a little bit to you know, but he played
Speaker 1: five games last Yeah, this Dron Payne, I mean, Preston Smith,
Speaker 1: Ryan Kerrigan. They've got guys, they've they've got power. But
Speaker 1: you got Preston Smith and you got Kerrigan, and what
Speaker 1: those guys can do is they run and they you know,
Speaker 1: but you could take advantage of them a little bit
Speaker 1: with the Billy because they're gonna chase. I mean, they're
Speaker 1: gonna chase. So if you do get them chasing the
Speaker 1: ball inside, well maybe you can bounce it. Because the
Speaker 1: way the Redskins like to play it is when they
Speaker 1: when they chase inside, they'll have those linebackers scrape over
Speaker 1: the top. So that's where if you can, you know
Speaker 1: you can. And that's where we saw the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: some success last week. Is as fast as Jacksonville's linebackers were,
Speaker 1: they were able to get bodies up onto those guys
Speaker 1: and then make it difficult for them to have to
Speaker 1: make a play. So I don't really know how committed
Speaker 1: Carolina was to run in the football because I felt
Speaker 1: like they got behind in that game and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it became uh, you know, Green Bay
Speaker 1: and I watched that game. That didn't even they didn't
Speaker 1: even try and run. The Saints just the Saints just
Speaker 1: demoralized him the way you know that Drew Brees was
Speaker 1: throwing the football. So they haven't a lot one hundred
Speaker 1: yard rushing, right, But maybe it's a little misleading. McCaffrey
Speaker 1: had twenty yards on eight carries he had and he
Speaker 1: ripped off two like eight yard runs on the first
Speaker 1: drive of the game, and after that had nothing. I
Speaker 1: just noticed when they did run the RPO, they were
Speaker 1: crashing in on him. Yeah, and it makes me think,
Speaker 1: And now I don't know how much the Cowboys will
Speaker 1: use that, but they're going to commit bodies to Zeke
Speaker 1: and try to stop him. Yeah, they know, they know
Speaker 1: that's their survival defensively depends on that. Now, this is
Speaker 1: a secondary that has Josh Norman and they have you know,
Speaker 1: they have a young guy named Quinton Dunbar who you
Speaker 1: could read about today. He's one of my under the
Speaker 1: radar guys. He gets a lot of play because people
Speaker 1: don't want to attack Josh Norman. But I don't think
Speaker 1: I would go away. Like last week we talked about
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey and what he was able to do. I
Speaker 1: don't think you go away from Josh Norman. I really don't.
Speaker 1: I think Josh Norman, especially now, they're playing just a
Speaker 1: ton of zone coverage here, So okay, how do you
Speaker 1: find ways? And he's gonna sit on one side of
Speaker 1: the field, He's not going to move around and you know,
Speaker 1: and travel with guys. I mean, I haven't seen that
Speaker 1: so far. I don't expect him to travel with Cole Beasley.
Speaker 1: And then that means that Fabian Moreau, who they drafted
Speaker 1: in the in the third round in the seventeen draft
Speaker 1: from UCLA, is your nickel player. So I just feel
Speaker 1: like though that I would not be afraid to go
Speaker 1: after Josh Norman. I think Josh Norman not say his
Speaker 1: better days are gone, but I don't think Josh Norman
Speaker 1: is this oh my god, we got to stay away
Speaker 1: from you guy. I think that, you know, I think
Speaker 1: there's some things you can do to Josh Norman that
Speaker 1: will that can you could take advantage of him. And
Speaker 1: I think you could take advantage of this Quinton Dunbar
Speaker 1: with some double move stuff. He's really anxious about, you know,
Speaker 1: getting in there. But to the Cowboys game plan, yeah,
Speaker 1: Zeke read option, RPO, waggles, boots, throw the ball down
Speaker 1: the field to Michael Gallup if you can, because I
Speaker 1: see those are opportunities down there. Two points. They got
Speaker 1: off to a the Redskins got off to a seventeen
Speaker 1: to nothing. That was huge. Carolina only ran the ball
Speaker 1: eighteen times. Yeah, and their best run was an end
Speaker 1: around by more is that Dj moore jo had an
Speaker 1: eighteen yard run. Cam ran the ball nine times for
Speaker 1: forty three yards. That's almost five yards a carry a
Speaker 1: lot of us. He just had to keep it because
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna let mccaffre kay, So I'll take that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they only ran it eighteen times ahead eighty one yards.
Speaker 1: So and then the Saints didn't try to run it.
Speaker 1: They didn't need to run against him, right, they just passed.
Speaker 1: Uh second point. I saw headlines about Josh Norman's back
Speaker 1: had an interception forced to fumble, Right, I could have
Speaker 1: intercepted that ball. Yeah, Cam new And was hit when
Speaker 1: he threw the ball and it fluttered up like a
Speaker 1: duck and it went right to him. And and the
Speaker 1: darn thing about it was if Cam Newton's arm didn't
Speaker 1: get hit, his guy was behind him, they were behind touchdown.
Speaker 1: YEA buying this. You know he's starting to talk a
Speaker 1: better game. He played so bad against New Orleans they
Speaker 1: benched him. Well, he apparently he had a locker room
Speaker 1: thing at halftime with Gruden. Yeah, Well that that was
Speaker 1: that led to the Benching go sit down. He did
Speaker 1: give up two touchdown passes and they so yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got some guys up front, but I
Speaker 1: think you know, it's another three four defense. Yeah, those
Speaker 1: defensive ends played. Yeah, gotta block him. You gotta make
Speaker 1: sure these guys are you know. I mean, the thing
Speaker 1: that I always am concerned about is the inside power.
Speaker 1: You know, when you got Looney and you got Connor.
Speaker 1: But you know, so far, so good, you guys have
Speaker 1: have held up well. I think you're gonna have to continue.
Speaker 1: Ryan Carrigan is one of those guys. I think he's
Speaker 1: one of the most underappreciated players in the league because
Speaker 1: he's a he's a He is always going after the ball.
Speaker 1: He's always trying to make plays. He hustles. His effort
Speaker 1: is tremendous. He plays on a football team that's been
Speaker 1: up and down, so he hasn't got the credit. But
Speaker 1: you have to. You have to make sure that you
Speaker 1: finish him off as a blocker. You can't let him
Speaker 1: kind of hang around, hang around if they're moving around
Speaker 1: in the pocket. He's one of those guys that get
Speaker 1: sacks if there's four seconds in the pocket because he's
Speaker 1: just gonna keep going and going and going, and then
Speaker 1: the tackle is gonna lose leverage. And then the next thing,
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a sack. So you got to
Speaker 1: make And Preston Smith, you know, is a from Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: You know, he's another a good player's second round pick
Speaker 1: in the twenty fifteen draft. I'll tell you what, I
Speaker 1: really like him a lot too. They've got a couple
Speaker 1: of goes good. Uh, those good outside linebackers with Smith
Speaker 1: and then and then with Kerrigan and and then those
Speaker 1: big inside guys. So it's a good defense up front
Speaker 1: that way. Person. Smith given him trouble before. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he's range yeah, long rangey guy. All right, let's go
Speaker 1: to redskin country before we get out of here. Oh,
Speaker 1: John in Maryland, they finished finish us up for us
Speaker 1: great when with the against the Jaguars. Loved what back
Speaker 1: Tommy did with that offense. But I'm like super excited
Speaker 1: about this defense. Um, why what? What what makes you
Speaker 1: say about the defense? Sir? Yea, the secondary, the linebackers,
Speaker 1: but especially this line. Okay, um, And that's where my
Speaker 1: question is. We know what dew and David Irvan is
Speaker 1: gonna bring if they stay healthy at the end of
Speaker 1: the year. But if Doors Armstrong and Randy Gregory, if
Speaker 1: they progressed that they have been gained by game and
Speaker 1: along with Moe Collins, do you think this is a
Speaker 1: defense by chemical run like the Giants did and h
Speaker 1: and the Broncos did in years ago? All right, super
Speaker 1: Bowl run? Yeah, all right, yeah yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: I feel I just I hadn't seen the defensive line
Speaker 1: like the um ever with the Cowboys, and I'm I'm
Speaker 1: going back to like Charles Hilly days and when we
Speaker 1: had Charles Hilly and I don't know if we had
Speaker 1: had me, I'm leash went after the quarterback. But I
Speaker 1: see this Jean line. I see a line that everyone
Speaker 1: can go after the quarterback, and uh, you know, I
Speaker 1: hope that's the chase by the end of the year.
Speaker 1: You know what he said, And thank you When you
Speaker 1: guys were it was earlier, I don't know how we
Speaker 1: were talking about the defensive line and the different guys
Speaker 1: and I was thinking, you remember when Jerry Jones said
Speaker 1: this might be the most talented defensive front we've had,
Speaker 1: And I don't know if he meant in his time
Speaker 1: or whatever. And everybody was like ah ha ha ha,
Speaker 1: that's Jerry over talking again and exaggerating and you know,
Speaker 1: like he had amnesia or something. Well, you know what,
Speaker 1: get what we saw last week. If it's just a
Speaker 1: glimpse of having malite Collins out there, David Irving out there,
Speaker 1: Gregory Lawrence, uh and the caller even mentioned Armstrong and
Speaker 1: Taco's playing better. Yeah, you know that. Now they've got
Speaker 1: to make sure they're good against the run, that they
Speaker 1: don't get this thing in their eye in their head
Speaker 1: that oh we the hot boys and all we gotta
Speaker 1: do is go get sacks. Yeah, you better stop the
Speaker 1: run first, which Marinelli reminds them of every day. But
Speaker 1: if they do that, they got the ability to put
Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback from across the board. If you
Speaker 1: had an offense that could score consistently, like they'd be
Speaker 1: even better. Yeah. Like if you had to do like
Speaker 1: what the Redskins did the other day and you get
Speaker 1: up seventeen nothing, you know, well you saw it off
Speaker 1: aren't like the last week the Jacksonville. Yeah, all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, that defense becomes a lot better when when
Speaker 1: you all of a sudden you're playing behind the lead.
Speaker 1: Those sacks started piling up and half absolutely deposition the sacks. Sean,
Speaker 1: thanks for the call. We gotta get out of here, guys.
Speaker 1: Good show, good discussion. Bill. We'll be back tomorrow and
Speaker 1: we'll continue breaking down Cowboys. Retch Hall him to finish
Speaker 1: that showed in time to join us. He's a busy,
Speaker 1: busy man, and so is Kid Garrison. Thanks for producing.
Speaker 1: We'll see you guys on Thursday. This has been a
Speaker 1: production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 1: Football Club.