WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Best NFC East Rivalry? 0:00:02.160 --> 0:00:04.680 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:04.720 --> 0:00:16.080 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:16.520 --> 0:00:19.919 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the 0:00:20.000 --> 0:00:31.120 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us, 0:00:31.640 --> 0:00:36.120 Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome into Talking 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:40.280 Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. I am Rob Phillips 0:00:40.720 --> 0:00:44.960 hosting for Bill Jones across the table as always, my 0:00:45.040 --> 0:00:48.800 good friend Brian brought us. Should we try and get 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:51.360 all our questions in before Mickey comes rolling in? Start 0:00:51.400 --> 0:00:53.720 playing the game. Just start playing right now, because he 0:00:53.720 --> 0:00:57.600 doesn't want to play. Mickey hates my games. I'm sorry, 0:00:57.640 --> 0:00:59.840 Mickey hates my game. I just you know, I think 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:02.000 it's fun. I think you try and you know, not 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:04.840 holding anybody all to this, you just kind of give 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:07.120 an opinion on it and move on. Yeah. Yeah, we'll 0:01:07.160 --> 0:01:09.560 do that. We'll do a little bit of that and uh, 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:13.280 at some point that chair will be filled. Right now 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:18.560 it's empty. Oh and there he is. Yeah, Yeah, a 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:23.880 grand interest Kit Garrison next door producing as always, and uh, 0:01:24.040 --> 0:01:26.560 it's a practice day for your Dallas Cowboys Yeah, on 0:01:26.560 --> 0:01:30.240 a Wednesday. It's also Redskins Week. When did you write 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:35.600 that book on the Redskins Mickey uh nineteen ninety seven, 0:01:35.840 --> 0:01:38.800 ninety seven, Yeah, matchups. She did something like that. We 0:01:38.840 --> 0:01:43.360 did twenty best games in Cowboy Redskin history, ten for 0:01:43.400 --> 0:01:49.160 each ten wins for each team. Wow. Okay, but you 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.600 did the research. Didn't you interview the guy one time? 0:01:51.600 --> 0:01:53.640 When we were at Valley Ranch, we interviewed the guy 0:01:53.640 --> 0:01:56.520 you wrote. You co wrote that with Ravil. Yeah, he's 0:01:56.560 --> 0:01:59.880 a Washington Post guy. He was a Washington Times guy. 0:02:00.480 --> 0:02:03.440 Of course, the way newspapers have gone, he's been long 0:02:03.520 --> 0:02:06.880 gone from there also, So the Redskins seem to be 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:11.320 trying to revive the rivalry. From what I've seen this 0:02:11.440 --> 0:02:14.400 is they've already put a big banner when you walk 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:19.200 into their practice facility, and it's got big bold letters 0:02:19.240 --> 0:02:22.200 and it says Cowboys Week. And that's what it used 0:02:22.200 --> 0:02:25.280 to be called in the seventies and eighties, Georgia Allen. 0:02:25.560 --> 0:02:29.000 And now they're they're doing a promotion because they haven't 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.160 had a sellout at that stadium in like forever, and 0:02:33.240 --> 0:02:35.720 so they're trying to sell it out. So they're doing 0:02:35.720 --> 0:02:38.320 a promotion out there if you have some sort of 0:02:38.400 --> 0:02:41.080 mean tweet or something you get for free tickets, and 0:02:41.440 --> 0:02:44.440 they're going to have a concert outside beforehand with some 0:02:44.520 --> 0:02:49.600 country band called low Cash all capital letters, by the way, 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:57.200 and then they're tweeting out hashtag beat Cowboys. It's Burgundy week, 0:02:57.280 --> 0:03:00.880 by the way, so the Cowboys better any week. This 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.280 is Redskins week here, By golly, you know, I have 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:06.800 a big deal around here. You know. It's Nikki's right. 0:03:06.840 --> 0:03:08.960 Though you watched their tape. There's a lot of yellow 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:11.520 seats when you would see those home games. You know 0:03:11.520 --> 0:03:15.320 what they did too, is they took out that upper depth. 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:18.720 They didn't block it off. They took the seats out, yea. 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.440 And they were gonna sell standing room on the kind 0:03:21.440 --> 0:03:24.000 of way the Cowboys had, right, But there's they are 0:03:24.000 --> 0:03:25.640 at the top of the stadium. And I don't know 0:03:25.680 --> 0:03:27.400 if they ever did it, because I would be scared 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.519 to stand up there. You know. It's funny about that game, though, 0:03:30.520 --> 0:03:32.400 when you when I used to make the trips with 0:03:32.480 --> 0:03:35.440 you guys, that it always seemed like there were a 0:03:35.440 --> 0:03:38.160 lot of Cowboy fans at TESK games. Oh yeah, I 0:03:38.160 --> 0:03:41.680 mean I mean that I went back and watched the 0:03:41.800 --> 0:03:44.840 Romo passed to de Marco Murray and the crowd, you know, 0:03:44.920 --> 0:03:48.400 the fourth down play. The crowd was incredibly loud, and 0:03:48.440 --> 0:03:52.400 then when Murray scored, it was like, oh yeah, it 0:03:52.520 --> 0:03:54.400 was like a home game. I mean, I remember standing 0:03:54.440 --> 0:03:56.960 on the side. I forgot because we were all at 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:58.880 the one We were all at one end of the field. 0:03:59.000 --> 0:04:01.760 Murray had scored at the far end, the far corner, 0:04:02.520 --> 0:04:05.760 and that was one of those disastrous Oh you try 0:04:05.800 --> 0:04:07.920 and run a play and you lose ten you know what, 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:11.360 it's a second or fourth and gold on the you 0:04:11.360 --> 0:04:14.200 know whatever, it's not on the goal line. And so 0:04:15.200 --> 0:04:19.400 but we were I just remember how the crowd reacted, 0:04:19.480 --> 0:04:21.320 and then I went back and watched it again. O'm 0:04:21.320 --> 0:04:24.840 my gosh, I forgot how I remembered, and I forgot, 0:04:24.960 --> 0:04:26.760 then I remembered again. I'm like, man, there's a lot 0:04:26.800 --> 0:04:28.719 of cowboy fans that show up there at that that 0:04:29.560 --> 0:04:32.520 FedEx field. I've been doing this show in some capacity, 0:04:32.920 --> 0:04:35.840 starting with the kids table since like oh four, hey, 0:04:35.880 --> 0:04:38.880 I shot since the inception. Huh. I saw a show 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.520 last night and they had some guy helping out with 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:45.160 whatever the lead guy was, and the girl was at 0:04:45.160 --> 0:04:47.760 the kids table. Yeah, it was in a different spot. 0:04:47.800 --> 0:04:51.920 It's look ridiculous as I did back then. You look ridiculous, 0:04:53.560 --> 0:04:55.040 she had. I went back and watched a little those 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:57.120 shows you get you found those, Oh no, that you 0:04:57.160 --> 0:05:00.680 can get them YouTube is the great great time had 0:05:00.720 --> 0:05:03.960 her own booth was raised up high, and who's ever 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:06.760 hosting the deal was standing up and then they would 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:08.840 have a guest and the guests would come walking up 0:05:09.600 --> 0:05:12.760 onto the stage. Yeah. I was in this like dark 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:15.479 corner anyway, but it made me think of the kids table. Yeah, 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.800 it was a kids table, and like it's been this 0:05:17.839 --> 0:05:21.160 way since we started the show. Like, there's a lot 0:05:21.160 --> 0:05:23.560 of people that call in and email us from Maryland. 0:05:23.720 --> 0:05:28.200 Oh yeah, Virginia, NEBBI and Silver Spring, Upper Marlborough, Maryland. Right. 0:05:28.720 --> 0:05:31.080 I don't know if it's rebellion against your parents, two 0:05:31.279 --> 0:05:33.720 Redskins fans or what, but there's a lot of Cowboys fans. 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:38.200 I'll give you two reasons. One, when the Cowboys and 0:05:38.279 --> 0:05:43.960 tech Shram were developing their radio network, he bought us. 0:05:44.080 --> 0:05:46.960 He got a station on their network in Virginia, beat 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:50.320 Virginia and so people got a chance to hear that 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.400 the Cowboy games all the time, right, and they developed fans. 0:05:53.760 --> 0:05:58.799 The second thing that happened was when Lyndon Johnson took 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:01.919 office as the vice president and then became the president 0:06:01.960 --> 0:06:06.560 after Kennedy was assassinated, all these people from Texas had 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:09.680 to come and walk in Washington, DC. Right, So it 0:06:09.800 --> 0:06:15.080 was like a bunch of Cowboy fans were implanted in Washington, DC. 0:06:15.480 --> 0:06:17.560 You know, some of them might have stayed, some of 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:21.920 them developed friendships, and they became Cowboy fans. So that's 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.200 kind of how it started back in as early as 0:06:25.320 --> 0:06:28.760 nineteen sixty when they first started. It's it's it's always 0:06:28.800 --> 0:06:33.640 been fascinating to me too that they've Even when they realignment, 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:36.640 when all that was going on there, the Cowboys were 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:39.760 just adamant about not moving. They're like, no, we're gonna 0:06:39.760 --> 0:06:43.880 We're still gonna play Philadelphia, New York, Washington, your major cities. 0:06:44.040 --> 0:06:46.960 I mean they're playing in the nation's capital, right exactly. 0:06:47.040 --> 0:06:49.880 I mean everybody's like, oh, we want to be closer 0:06:50.400 --> 0:06:55.279 geographical locations, rivals. Yeah. Dallas is like no, no, we're 0:06:55.279 --> 0:06:57.679 gonna keep playing the red Skins. We're gonna keep playing 0:06:57.680 --> 0:07:00.160 the Giants from keep playing the Eagles, And actually, I mean, 0:07:00.160 --> 0:07:02.880 when you think about a comfort standpoint, logistically, those are 0:07:02.920 --> 0:07:05.960 long road trips. Sure, it's actually harder on you than it. Yes, 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:08.640 if you're going to Arizona. Back of the day they 0:07:08.680 --> 0:07:11.280 got rid of stay Saint Louis and then Saint Louis 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:13.880 goes to Arizona and they're like, yeah, they're gonna We're 0:07:13.880 --> 0:07:16.520 gonna put them in the West. Okay, fine, there was 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:20.440 no fight to move from Saint Louis. You know, that 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.160 was no fight, and but yeah they'll fight you on. 0:07:23.480 --> 0:07:26.400 You know, it's important for the Cowboys to have that 0:07:26.400 --> 0:07:29.400 that that presence in that part of the country. I 0:07:29.400 --> 0:07:31.760 think it's a shame though that I bet majority of 0:07:31.760 --> 0:07:35.160 these people on the team now have no idea. No, 0:07:35.200 --> 0:07:36.760 they don't what it used to be like, what it 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:39.160 used to be like, or what it is like. Still 0:07:39.200 --> 0:07:42.880 with the fans in Washington, Yeah, they still get fired 0:07:42.960 --> 0:07:45.600 up and they still hate the Cowboys and they're still 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:49.080 that you know. It was I don't know, several years ago, 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.680 uh Keller and I were out in Georgetown and we 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.559 were watching a game on I think they were playing 0:07:55.560 --> 0:07:57.960 a Monday night game, so where we were somewhere watching 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:01.600 a game on Sunday night, and there was some guy 0:08:01.680 --> 0:08:04.680 there and he found out where what we did and everything, 0:08:05.160 --> 0:08:09.240 and he still was bitter about the Clint Longley game 0:08:09.280 --> 0:08:14.720 on Thanksgiving. Said he goes, I couldn't eat my Thanksgiving dinner. 0:08:14.840 --> 0:08:17.040 I was sick to my and he was probably at 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:21.160 that time a teenager. Right seventy four run my Thanksgiving 0:08:21.200 --> 0:08:23.520 and he was still bitter. Biggest mistake you've ever made 0:08:23.560 --> 0:08:25.840 as a sports fan? Oh yeah, leave. I was eleven 0:08:25.920 --> 0:08:29.000 years old. My my, my family had tickets. Like I said, 0:08:29.120 --> 0:08:31.320 my I went with the game with my grandmother and 0:08:31.880 --> 0:08:35.200 left the game early. When when Staubach got knocked out, 0:08:35.480 --> 0:08:37.520 we went to the Morton's food and we're in the 0:08:37.559 --> 0:08:40.760 restaurant business. My family and went to Morton's Foods had 0:08:40.800 --> 0:08:42.960 a bus that used to take us and drop us 0:08:43.040 --> 0:08:46.079 off right next to the gate. So as part of 0:08:46.120 --> 0:08:48.600 buying their product, we got to ride this bus every 0:08:48.679 --> 0:08:52.320 home game. Great service, and so you know, we left early. 0:08:52.360 --> 0:08:54.000 My grandmother and I were sitting in the bus and 0:08:54.080 --> 0:08:57.800 nobody's in the bus and everybody comes storming on. Everybody's yelling, 0:08:57.880 --> 0:09:02.000 cheering all I'm like, well what happened? And the bus 0:09:02.120 --> 0:09:05.760 didn't leave the game was a bus. It was a 0:09:05.840 --> 0:09:08.120 it was a it was a city a Dallas City bus, 0:09:08.280 --> 0:09:10.280 one of those Dallas City bus, not the yellow ones. 0:09:10.320 --> 0:09:12.360 But remember the old back way had to sit there 0:09:12.360 --> 0:09:14.880 like green and oh yeah, okay. So they had this 0:09:14.960 --> 0:09:17.240 bus and Morten's Food had a bar on it and 0:09:17.320 --> 0:09:19.360 food and all that. So all the people that they 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:22.000 you know, that bought product from them, got to ride 0:09:22.000 --> 0:09:24.760 this bus and these people came back. I'll never forget that, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.760 eleven years old, sitting there and those people we won. 0:09:28.080 --> 0:09:31.360 They put Clint Longley in and he threw and I 0:09:31.400 --> 0:09:33.720 looked at my grandmother and she says, I'm so sorry, 0:09:33.760 --> 0:09:37.000 and I'm like, from that point on, I never left 0:09:37.000 --> 0:09:40.040 a sporting event early. I mean traffic, no matter what 0:09:40.160 --> 0:09:42.120 I'm not, I'm just not going to do it because 0:09:42.360 --> 0:09:45.240 because of that that right there, eleven here. I'm fifty 0:09:45.280 --> 0:09:47.760 four years old now and I remember that like it 0:09:47.840 --> 0:09:50.439 was yesterday. But you know, I was going to ask 0:09:50.480 --> 0:09:56.719 you guys, you know, as far as NFC sports hate rivals, 0:09:57.600 --> 0:10:00.560 what what what an NFC East team do you disliked 0:10:00.600 --> 0:10:04.959 the most sports hate? Sports hate? Of the three options 0:10:04.480 --> 0:10:07.520 the three Giants, Eagles or Redskins. Yeah, man, see Mickey 0:10:07.520 --> 0:10:08.720 brought up. And the reason why I want to ask, 0:10:08.880 --> 0:10:11.440 because Mickey brought up that point of See, I grew 0:10:11.520 --> 0:10:15.600 up not liking the Redskins at all because we we 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:19.640 being a fan, owned the Eagles, we owned the Giants. 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:24.040 The Redskins were a whole different thing. So I wonder 0:10:24.080 --> 0:10:28.559 if sports hate the older crowd still hates the Redskins, 0:10:29.000 --> 0:10:33.040 but then the younger crowd is like Eagles. I'm sure 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:35.000 that's what it is. Yeah, And you know, and the 0:10:35.000 --> 0:10:37.960 reason it started was, you know, even though the Cowboys 0:10:38.320 --> 0:10:41.360 were bad when they first began in the sixties, the 0:10:41.440 --> 0:10:45.000 Redskins were as bad, right, And they didn't get good 0:10:45.120 --> 0:10:49.320 until the early seventies, George George Allen, And so all 0:10:49.360 --> 0:10:52.280 of a sudden, the Redskins were taken away something that 0:10:52.360 --> 0:10:55.240 I think the Cowboys thought was there inalienable right to 0:10:55.320 --> 0:10:58.320 win the NFC East every year, right, And they beat 0:10:58.400 --> 0:11:00.200 him a couple of years, then they beat him the 0:11:00.240 --> 0:11:05.120 playoffs that one year, and then this thing really cranked up. Yeah, 0:11:05.160 --> 0:11:07.320 you know, before it was just kind of a fan thing, 0:11:07.360 --> 0:11:10.880 and then it became a player thing personal and think 0:11:10.920 --> 0:11:13.480 about it. You had the same players playing each other 0:11:13.640 --> 0:11:16.480 twice a year forever there was no free agency. So 0:11:16.640 --> 0:11:20.040 you played the same guys ten years. You go and 0:11:20.200 --> 0:11:23.080 go ask Roger Staubuck. He'll still get fired up. Yeah, 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.480 he'll still get mad about them knocking out of the 0:11:25.760 --> 0:11:28.440 knocking him out of that seventy four Thanksgiving game because 0:11:28.480 --> 0:11:30.120 they said they were going to do it, and they 0:11:30.160 --> 0:11:32.280 did it and said, you know, that's all we got 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:34.960 to do because that's all they got and we'll beat them. Yeah, 0:11:35.000 --> 0:11:37.480 the league encouraged you to talk poorly about the other 0:11:37.520 --> 0:11:40.199 team and try and knock their players out wrestling, and 0:11:40.240 --> 0:11:42.280 then and then we get the Bounty Bowls and stuff 0:11:42.320 --> 0:11:44.240 like that, where well we don't we shouldn't go out, 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:47.000 we should be hunting players, you know. But back then, 0:11:47.160 --> 0:11:50.040 I mean, yeah, the newspaper guys, the stories back and 0:11:50.080 --> 0:11:53.160 forth between Washington and Dawson. They didn't have ESPN and 0:11:53.200 --> 0:11:55.439 all these people that interviews Mike's and to face me, 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:58.640 what you were hearing was what you were reading. You know, 0:11:58.720 --> 0:12:01.640 that's that's what you saw. Yeah, that's and and and 0:12:01.840 --> 0:12:04.680 actually you know that. And tonight, by the way, we'll 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:07.959 get into it because our guest on the Legend Shows 0:12:08.920 --> 0:12:11.400 is Dennis Thurman, who was right in the middle of 0:12:11.640 --> 0:12:14.880 the deal in the late seventies and through the eighties, 0:12:15.360 --> 0:12:18.800 and you know, and in eighty five they became Thurman's 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:21.280 Thieves because they had so many interceptions. While the first 0:12:21.320 --> 0:12:24.400 game of the year, the opener was against Washington on 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.360 a Sunday night, on Monday night game, and it was 0:12:27.440 --> 0:12:30.880 Joe Theisman's birthday, and they picked him I think it 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:34.120 was either four or five times, and by time the 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.160 fifth pick and they took him out, the whole place 0:12:37.200 --> 0:12:42.520 stood up and started singing Happy Birthday, and they would 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:46.000 call him Joey. It wasn't Joe, it was Happy Birthday, Joey. 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:50.199 And it was amazing. And I'm sure Dennis remembers that 0:12:52.200 --> 0:12:53.839 I had to be back in the day. I love, 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.640 I love back in the day. You know. The fun 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.640 thing was back then covering those games at RFK is 0:12:58.679 --> 0:13:02.520 you place moved you it takes you could take the metro, yeah, 0:13:03.040 --> 0:13:05.679 and it would drop you off like two two and 0:13:05.679 --> 0:13:08.240 a half three blocks from the stadium. So you're walking 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.240 through all the crowd and they're getting jacked up for 0:13:11.280 --> 0:13:14.440 the game and they're selling their Cowboys suck t shirts. 0:13:14.960 --> 0:13:18.680 And also there was some with not an s in 0:13:18.720 --> 0:13:23.400 Fan of the uc K and and it was just unbelievable. 0:13:23.520 --> 0:13:25.640 It was like you got as a writer, you got 0:13:25.640 --> 0:13:28.199 ready for the game. It's like, oh, something really important 0:13:28.240 --> 0:13:30.000 is getting ready to have absolutely and I think you 0:13:30.080 --> 0:13:33.520 nailed it. Because roster turnover, the parody now, the salary cap, 0:13:34.400 --> 0:13:38.280 the roster's changed so much that there's not that contempt 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.400 bread by a familiarity. Yeah, you don't have the John 0:13:40.520 --> 0:13:43.920 Riggins and Joe Thismans and Art Monks. And then way 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.760 back in the day, you know, like the Jack Parties 0:13:46.800 --> 0:13:49.520 and the pat Fishers, and I mean these are all 0:13:49.559 --> 0:13:52.720 guys I grew up just despising. I really, I mean 0:13:52.760 --> 0:13:55.360 I see those guys. I see Sonny Jurgensen, like you know, 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.040 he was I don't know, I think he's still doing 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.240 the games. I think I think he is. See Sonny 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.520 said some him to press box one time in Buffalo, 0:14:02.679 --> 0:14:04.559 and I went up to him. I said, mister Jergors, 0:14:04.559 --> 0:14:07.040 introduced myself. He's, oh, yeah, he has cigar hanging out 0:14:07.040 --> 0:14:08.679 of the core of his mouth. And and I just 0:14:08.679 --> 0:14:11.760 sat there for like thirty minutes. We're talking about the rivalry. 0:14:12.160 --> 0:14:15.080 And he was telling stories that were just you know, 0:14:15.160 --> 0:14:17.719 and again. I know fans today are kind of going on, 0:14:17.880 --> 0:14:20.360 shut up, brought us. But for a kid growing up 0:14:20.400 --> 0:14:22.920 in that era, you know, it's like the guy who's 0:14:23.120 --> 0:14:25.040 grows up in New York City, that's a Yankee fan 0:14:25.120 --> 0:14:27.240 that gets to talk to Mickey Maniler, gets to talk 0:14:27.280 --> 0:14:29.760 to Whitey Ford, or gets to talk to those great 0:14:29.840 --> 0:14:33.440 you know players back then. I mean that that's that's 0:14:33.480 --> 0:14:35.720 how I grew up. That's how I got, you know, 0:14:35.800 --> 0:14:39.640 into involved with football because the rivalries with the red 0:14:39.680 --> 0:14:42.120 Skins and like that. Here's how it's changed. I know, 0:14:42.280 --> 0:14:45.040 because since I've started covering this team, the closest thing 0:14:45.040 --> 0:14:48.480 I can think of to a really bitter rivalry within 0:14:48.520 --> 0:14:52.080 the division. And tell me if I'm wrong, maybe ten 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.640 years ago with the Giants with Brandon Jacobs and you 0:14:55.680 --> 0:14:57.920 know he would he would talk every week and try 0:14:57.920 --> 0:15:00.760 to get Craton and those guys fired up. That's the 0:15:00.800 --> 0:15:02.680 closest thing I can think of. And now it's kind 0:15:02.680 --> 0:15:05.120 of maybe it's shift into Philly, and with Philly it's 0:15:05.240 --> 0:15:08.000 it's about their fans as much as anything. Yeah, you know, 0:15:08.240 --> 0:15:10.640 see I that I worked for a year. I kind 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:14.280 of appreciate the Philly fan because I lived there. For 0:15:14.320 --> 0:15:16.520 a year and worked. They're great fans, but they're not 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:19.600 you know, yeah take oh no, yeah, no exactly. It's 0:15:19.640 --> 0:15:23.320 it's tough, but my my sports hatred for Washington Redskins 0:15:23.400 --> 0:15:27.000 is still intense. It still is intense, you know, even 0:15:27.200 --> 0:15:30.160 I mean I again, I when when we I wish 0:15:30.240 --> 0:15:33.200 we still played at that old RFK because that those 0:15:33.400 --> 0:15:36.240 I missed, those places I missed seeing I would probably 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.240 go on road trips if we still played at places 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:40.240 like that, I really would. Now. Mickey will tell you 0:15:40.480 --> 0:15:42.560 he had to hide around a corner to look through 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.320 a little uh to watch a game. He got thrown 0:15:45.360 --> 0:15:47.560 outside and he had to look through a little narrow 0:15:47.600 --> 0:15:49.800 crack to see the field. Am I right about that? Mickey? No? 0:15:49.960 --> 0:15:52.800 That actually that was in Saint Louis, Okay, well I 0:15:52.800 --> 0:15:56.760 thought it was at URFK. The press box was basically 0:15:57.240 --> 0:16:02.040 open air. We was covered by the overhang of the stands, 0:16:02.440 --> 0:16:06.200 but it was open air. So if it was twenty 0:16:06.200 --> 0:16:10.280 degrees outside, you're sitting out there, it's really hard to 0:16:10.320 --> 0:16:13.280 type with gloves on it. And then you would go 0:16:13.320 --> 0:16:16.200 in this little room where they'd serve you food before 0:16:16.240 --> 0:16:19.280 the game halftime, and the heat would be on to 0:16:19.480 --> 0:16:24.440 like ninety five degrees, so to choose your poison, freeze 0:16:24.760 --> 0:16:27.920 or sweat to death while you were writing, and there 0:16:28.040 --> 0:16:31.240 was no room there. I remember vividly when they won 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:34.200 their one game in nineteen eighty nine. It was the 0:16:34.280 --> 0:16:37.760 ninth game of the season. They were eight no or 0:16:37.800 --> 0:16:40.560 were they and eight or oh and nine? And it 0:16:40.640 --> 0:16:43.840 was a Sunday night game for some god forsaken reason. 0:16:44.600 --> 0:16:48.440 And I was sitting it was so crowded in the 0:16:48.480 --> 0:16:51.400 press box. I had to sit like sideways with my 0:16:51.520 --> 0:16:55.120 left shoulder forward because Blackie Sharade was next to me 0:16:55.400 --> 0:16:58.040 and he was basically in my lap and it was 0:16:58.080 --> 0:16:59.800 like he was going to move, and it was like 0:17:00.000 --> 0:17:03.120 one of those folding chairs, one of those wooden folding 0:17:03.200 --> 0:17:05.720 chairs they used to have at the VFWA, you know. 0:17:05.840 --> 0:17:08.320 And it was like, seriously, then your doome is kind 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.360 of like that, but that sounds worse, and you know what, 0:17:10.440 --> 0:17:13.120 And I got to give Skip Bayless credit. He came 0:17:13.200 --> 0:17:17.440 up with the greatest name for rfk rickety field for knuckleheads. 0:17:17.680 --> 0:17:20.639 That's it. Wow, And Edie was right, it was right. 0:17:20.720 --> 0:17:23.680 Those people were crazy. So you're saying sportswriters were tougher 0:17:23.720 --> 0:17:25.760 back in the day too, Yes, they were. It was 0:17:25.760 --> 0:17:29.720 a tougher time. The carrier typewriter, Yeah, your typewriter stairs, 0:17:29.720 --> 0:17:33.320 no email to file your story over the phone. Gary 0:17:33.359 --> 0:17:36.120 Myers almost gotten the fight over a telephone one time, right, 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.920 it was, it was. It was quite an experience. You know, 0:17:38.960 --> 0:17:40.800 when you're going through it, you look at it as 0:17:40.800 --> 0:17:43.119 a hardship. Yeah, when you think back, when you go, 0:17:43.359 --> 0:17:45.800 that was pretty damn cool. I missed those days. I 0:17:45.800 --> 0:17:47.399 mean I would if I was that. If I was, 0:17:47.760 --> 0:17:50.080 I would have missed those days of like, you know, 0:17:50.400 --> 0:17:52.959 kind of just getting in the middle of everybody. I 0:17:53.000 --> 0:17:55.280 got My favorite movie is eight min Out, you know, 0:17:55.400 --> 0:17:57.840 great movie, and so like riding the train with the 0:17:57.880 --> 0:18:01.960 players and drinking and smoking guard. Yeah, you know, I've 0:18:02.000 --> 0:18:04.760 got a book of stories. But the two that stand 0:18:04.760 --> 0:18:07.640 out the most had to do with Harvey Martin. Yeah, 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:11.000 they were playing they were playing up there one year 0:18:11.040 --> 0:18:15.240 and he had to go through the dugout to go 0:18:15.280 --> 0:18:17.360 into the locker room, so you had to you were 0:18:17.400 --> 0:18:21.200 really close to the fans. And uh before the week 0:18:21.280 --> 0:18:23.720 before the week of one of the games they were 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:27.439 playing at RFK, story came out that Harvey had to 0:18:27.480 --> 0:18:31.320 file for bankruptcy, right, So he tells me the story 0:18:31.359 --> 0:18:33.520 that he goes, Yeah, he goes, after the game, you know, 0:18:33.800 --> 0:18:36.119 we we got beat and oh no, he goes, I 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:39.080 was going in after warmups and he goes, I'm going 0:18:39.119 --> 0:18:41.199 into the dugout and all of a sudden, I hear this. 0:18:41.440 --> 0:18:44.760 Something's hit me in the helmet. He's like pin pin pain. 0:18:45.320 --> 0:18:49.080 And they were throwing like coins at him, and some 0:18:49.119 --> 0:18:51.760 guy yells out, hey, Harve, do you need a loan? 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:55.679 And they were throwing them change. And one year they 0:18:55.680 --> 0:18:58.840 were going in after the game they won and somebody 0:18:58.920 --> 0:19:02.800 cracked a bottle over I don't I think it was 0:19:02.920 --> 0:19:08.080 Charlie waters helmet and Randy White was walking with him, 0:19:08.119 --> 0:19:12.320 Harvey and Cliff and and and and Randy or or 0:19:12.400 --> 0:19:14.719 Harvey looked and says, all right, let's go, and they 0:19:14.840 --> 0:19:16.879 went into the stands and beat the snot out of 0:19:16.920 --> 0:19:19.480 the guy. Way. Yeah. That last, real quick Harvey Martin 0:19:19.560 --> 0:19:23.880 story is there was someone put a wreath and he 0:19:23.960 --> 0:19:27.040 and he opened the Redskins dressing room door and through 0:19:27.200 --> 0:19:30.680 the reef. It's like a funeral. They sent it. They 0:19:30.760 --> 0:19:33.600 sent it to him. It was seventy nine and it 0:19:33.680 --> 0:19:38.320 was the game here at Texas Stadium and Thomas the 0:19:38.400 --> 0:19:41.199 winner was going to win the NFC East, the loser 0:19:41.359 --> 0:19:44.879 was not going to make the playoffs. And about midweek, 0:19:45.440 --> 0:19:48.480 this wreath, it was a funeral which shows up at 0:19:48.520 --> 0:19:51.720 their practice facility and it has a sign on there 0:19:51.840 --> 0:19:54.840 you know, your cowboys, you're dead or whatever something like that. 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:59.720 So they kept it and and and on Saturday, somebody said, Harve, 0:20:00.560 --> 0:20:02.600 what are you gonna do with that? He goes, I 0:20:02.640 --> 0:20:04.359 don't know, And he goes, why don't you bring it 0:20:04.400 --> 0:20:06.560 with you? Yeah, you know, bring it to the stadium. 0:20:06.760 --> 0:20:09.400 So they had it in the locker room. And they won. 0:20:10.160 --> 0:20:15.400 And there's a picture of Harvey in his uniform carrying 0:20:15.440 --> 0:20:17.760 the wreath and he's going up the tunnel at Texas 0:20:17.800 --> 0:20:20.520 Stadium where the visitors were and a lot of the 0:20:20.520 --> 0:20:22.640 guys didn't even know where that tunnel was. I had 0:20:22.680 --> 0:20:26.159 no idea. And he opens the door and throws it 0:20:26.240 --> 0:20:29.440 in there, and it's like, take that, we're not dead. 0:20:29.520 --> 0:20:31.440 And they were in the middle, they were all kneeling 0:20:31.440 --> 0:20:40.280 in the middle of their postgame prayer those days. Yeah, 0:20:40.320 --> 0:20:43.760 that's WW style, and you know, bring that back. One 0:20:43.760 --> 0:20:46.359 of the reporters at the Washington Post I don't know. 0:20:46.920 --> 0:20:49.200 I don't know if it was. Weeks later, years later, 0:20:49.320 --> 0:20:52.960 researched it and found out that it was really a 0:20:53.000 --> 0:20:56.199 Cowboy fan that purchased the wreath and sent it to 0:20:56.280 --> 0:20:59.359 him as incentive. And when I told Harvey about the 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:01.399 story I found he goes, I don't believe that. I 0:21:01.560 --> 0:21:05.280 know it was a Redskins fan. Seth Now, sports hate, 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:08.280 sports hate. There's nothing like good sports hate. Gotta love 0:21:08.320 --> 0:21:10.600 sports hate. We'll try to try to rekindle that a 0:21:10.640 --> 0:21:13.720 little bit today. That's good on the screen there. Yeah, 0:21:13.800 --> 0:21:16.960 you gonna look, can't your great shop? Kn't wait to 0:21:17.000 --> 0:21:19.040 go if you're watching along in with us today, and 0:21:19.080 --> 0:21:21.080 I hope maybe if you're listening, go back and lugas. 0:21:21.080 --> 0:21:23.480 But Kent's got it, get it right there. I wish 0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:26.560 I would. I didn't know we'd get into blue dot 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.359 com for that. Yeah, I could have brought my book 0:21:28.400 --> 0:21:30.359 down because we have a black and white picture of 0:21:30.440 --> 0:21:33.480 that in the book. Could get bring it tomorrow or Friday. Okay, 0:21:33.480 --> 0:21:35.680 well we'll get We'll do it fan Friday. Yeah, that's 0:21:35.680 --> 0:21:38.280 a good idea, all right. By the way, eight five 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:40.320 five two two ninety seven is the nut joy that 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:42.760 kind of talk. I'm love it. Driving folks nuts. No, 0:21:42.960 --> 0:21:45.200 that's I relived a little bit there. Get everybody fired 0:21:45.280 --> 0:21:48.200 up for this rival rekindled this week this Sunday ports 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.040 hate the Redskins. Hey, a lot of fans out there doing, 0:21:51.080 --> 0:21:53.280 a lot of fans probably up there in Redskins country. 0:21:53.240 --> 0:21:55.439 Yeah as well. So all right, Brian, you got some 0:21:55.480 --> 0:21:57.520 tough questions for us, some questions. I don't know if 0:21:57.560 --> 0:21:59.080 they're tough. I got some questions. All right. We'll get 0:21:59.119 --> 0:22:00.840 to those out of the break, and before we get 0:22:00.840 --> 0:22:03.240 out of here of the next hour, we will talk 0:22:03.280 --> 0:22:05.919 a little bit about this Redskins defense, a challenge they 0:22:06.040 --> 0:22:09.920 present the Dallas offense. But we'll get to Brian's tough 0:22:10.000 --> 0:22:13.360 questions next. On talking cowboys or has been helping Cowboys 0:22:13.359 --> 0:22:15.880 fans seed better since nineteen seventy two, said they don't 0:22:15.880 --> 0:22:18.600 miss a moment on the field. 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We're here for the next 0:25:06.640 --> 0:25:11.840 thirty odd minutes. Cowboys returned to practice today. Jason Garrett 0:25:11.880 --> 0:25:15.040 will be live at ten thirty five Central Time right 0:25:15.080 --> 0:25:19.320 after this show. But as we start segment, to Brian, 0:25:20.080 --> 0:25:21.879 you got a little game for us today. I always 0:25:21.920 --> 0:25:24.000 like to ask a few questions and as Mickey always 0:25:24.000 --> 0:25:26.480 asked Mandy to answer the question as well, and that's 0:25:26.520 --> 0:25:29.280 important and I do agree with him on that. And 0:25:29.440 --> 0:25:31.879 my first question for you guys are are you surprised 0:25:31.880 --> 0:25:39.040 how smoothly the defense has played without Shawn Lee? Yes, 0:25:42.200 --> 0:25:46.719 I thought they were better prepared to absorb his loss. 0:25:47.119 --> 0:25:52.720 But I was worried, not so much from a talent standpoint, 0:25:52.760 --> 0:25:54.840 because I think we kind of got a taste of 0:25:54.880 --> 0:25:58.359 what Jalen Smith was going to be this year. Wasn't 0:25:58.520 --> 0:26:02.600 totally sold in the beginning on Layton Vander esh figured 0:26:02.640 --> 0:26:05.800 he'd need some time, sure, but I was worried more 0:26:05.960 --> 0:26:09.199 about how organized they would be. Who would be the 0:26:09.240 --> 0:26:14.480 guy that gets right now and you know, and diagnosed 0:26:14.480 --> 0:26:19.840 the plays. And surprisingly Vanders seems to diagnose plays. He's 0:26:19.880 --> 0:26:23.520 got some of that, and Sean Lee's sense out there 0:26:23.600 --> 0:26:27.679 does so. Yeah, I think that I think they've absorbed 0:26:27.680 --> 0:26:32.000 as loss better than I expected, seeing that they lost 0:26:32.040 --> 0:26:34.800 ten of eleven over the previous three years when either 0:26:34.880 --> 0:26:38.520 he didn't play or didn't finish a game because of injury. 0:26:39.119 --> 0:26:42.280 I would I'm surprised at how they really haven't seemed 0:26:42.280 --> 0:26:44.320 to miss a beat. It's gonna answer Mickey by the way, 0:26:44.680 --> 0:26:48.080 thank you. Yeah, I'm not that surprised that they've still 0:26:48.160 --> 0:26:51.160 been able to function well, but the level they've continued 0:26:51.160 --> 0:26:53.880 to play at has been surprised. Yeah, because they I mean, 0:26:53.920 --> 0:26:56.800 this was a dominant effort last week. And really, I 0:26:56.840 --> 0:26:58.720 mean when you look at the numbers what they're doing, 0:26:58.760 --> 0:27:01.960 it seems like they mean better. Yes, I mean not 0:27:01.960 --> 0:27:04.920 not without but the things that we thought that were 0:27:04.920 --> 0:27:07.680 like okay, this, like Mickey said, instinctually, how are things 0:27:07.720 --> 0:27:10.240 gonna go? Are they gonna be able to communicate? Are 0:27:10.280 --> 0:27:11.639 they going to be able to line up. Are they 0:27:11.640 --> 0:27:14.040 going to be able to make plays? It seems like 0:27:14.359 --> 0:27:18.400 every week that they've gotten better. And I don't think 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:21.000 it's lack of Sean Lee. I just think the I 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:24.399 think the linebackers have gotten better. Yeah. I didn't worry 0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:26.840 as much as some people did about the communication part 0:27:26.840 --> 0:27:29.359 of it, because Jalen Smith's been in this defense a 0:27:29.359 --> 0:27:31.400 couple of years now, even when he wasn't playing, He's 0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:34.600 been around it. Uh, You've got Chris Rashard, who's a 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:37.199 good coach as that passing game coordinator to kind of 0:27:37.240 --> 0:27:41.240 marry the back end with the front seven. Um. But 0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:43.440 vander Esh is the one who surprised me the most. 0:27:43.440 --> 0:27:45.440 And I know we talked about this a little bit yesterday. 0:27:45.560 --> 0:27:47.760 I didn't think he would be this good this early 0:27:47.840 --> 0:27:51.120 game time that he missed in preseason. Yeah, and he's 0:27:51.119 --> 0:27:53.639 been outstanding. We were talking about that last night at 0:27:53.680 --> 0:27:56.679 happy Hour. Yeah that that Okay, that if with vander 0:27:56.800 --> 0:28:00.119 Esh with time he missed in the OTA's and then 0:28:00.200 --> 0:28:02.840 into training camp, you're thinking, oh, is this a setback? 0:28:03.240 --> 0:28:05.560 Is this going to be a huge setback? But I 0:28:05.680 --> 0:28:07.720 totally agree with what you guys are saying there. I 0:28:08.560 --> 0:28:12.359 was just I was like Mickey, I was worried about, Okay, 0:28:12.440 --> 0:28:15.359 who is going to hold things together? Remember I was 0:28:15.440 --> 0:28:18.639 the one screaming for a trade for Earl Thomas because 0:28:18.680 --> 0:28:21.320 I was worried with Shawn Lee going out, who was 0:28:21.359 --> 0:28:24.640 going to hold the defense together? You know, I was thinking, Okay, 0:28:24.640 --> 0:28:27.280 if you got Earl Thomas, then Earl Thomas can be 0:28:27.359 --> 0:28:31.040 the glue of Shawn Lee somehow misses three games, Who's 0:28:31.040 --> 0:28:33.760 going to be the glue? Little did I know? The 0:28:33.920 --> 0:28:36.960 glue has been the play of them. It hasn't been 0:28:37.000 --> 0:28:40.160 the leadership. It's been the It's been the play of 0:28:40.200 --> 0:28:43.480 the front seven. It's been the play of the secondary. 0:28:43.760 --> 0:28:45.640 You know, the way they've been able to hold up. 0:28:45.680 --> 0:28:48.360 So yeah, I I you know, I count me? Is 0:28:48.480 --> 0:28:51.320 count me? A surprise? It's gone as smoothly as it 0:28:51.400 --> 0:28:54.160 has and the overall talent on the defense is better 0:28:54.200 --> 0:28:56.440 than it was last year. These guys from last year, 0:28:56.480 --> 0:28:59.040 the rookies are a year older. Yeah, this is the 0:28:59.080 --> 0:29:02.080 deepest defensive line now that I can remember, since Rod 0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:05.080 has been the defensive coordinator. And it should only get 0:29:05.120 --> 0:29:07.040 better as long as David Irving is on the field 0:29:07.040 --> 0:29:09.840 and engaged and all that stuff. Probably gonna miss today, right, 0:29:09.880 --> 0:29:13.120 we're gonna get a David. You know what he said. 0:29:13.440 --> 0:29:16.560 He said after the game that he thought he would 0:29:16.560 --> 0:29:19.560 get back here in time for practice. Okay, so this 0:29:19.640 --> 0:29:23.040 is a local, yes, local, Yeah, we're doing that. And 0:29:23.400 --> 0:29:26.040 he said something about thank you judge for working early, 0:29:26.160 --> 0:29:28.400 first thing in the morning, like eight or nine o'clock, 0:29:28.880 --> 0:29:30.800 and so he thought he'd be here. He said it 0:29:31.160 --> 0:29:33.760 in the locker room after the game, that judge who knows, 0:29:33.800 --> 0:29:36.840 because you know how courts go. Yeah, astins get delayed 0:29:37.160 --> 0:29:39.600 their own spend, yes, you know. And one other thing 0:29:39.600 --> 0:29:41.520 on this leadership thing for you to the next one. 0:29:42.200 --> 0:29:46.280 I think a guy that has somewhat emerged has been 0:29:46.360 --> 0:29:49.640 Jeff Heath. Yeah, that's that's a good point too. He 0:29:49.800 --> 0:29:53.520 seems to kind of be calming back, calming, not not 0:29:53.600 --> 0:29:56.440 a raw, raw guy, but just kind of knowing what's 0:29:56.480 --> 0:30:00.400 going on and helping those other young guys out. Uh. 0:30:00.960 --> 0:30:02.880 And even in the locker room, you know, he's been 0:30:02.920 --> 0:30:05.440 a little bit well, people have asked him question but 0:30:05.520 --> 0:30:08.760 he's more outspoken, like he'll he's a quiet guy. He'll 0:30:08.800 --> 0:30:12.640 give you some information, but he's quiet. Yeah. That tackle 0:30:12.720 --> 0:30:17.320 he made last Sunday, Holy Kyle, he will make some place. Okay. 0:30:17.360 --> 0:30:20.040 My next question for you guys is the player that 0:30:20.160 --> 0:30:24.120 has been quiet early but is due to break out 0:30:24.440 --> 0:30:28.040 in the second half. Here you have somebody mind that 0:30:28.160 --> 0:30:31.240 has been a little quiet and then all of a 0:30:31.280 --> 0:30:34.480 sudden though you're feeling like, Okay, this guy's gonna have 0:30:34.560 --> 0:30:37.120 that to you know, carry you through a few games. 0:30:37.160 --> 0:30:40.200 You're chuckling, Mick. I know because it's the same answer 0:30:40.240 --> 0:30:42.640 I come up with every week, is that this guy 0:30:42.720 --> 0:30:46.040 is gonna bust out. And it's Michael Gackael Gallop. I 0:30:46.160 --> 0:30:48.080 was kind of thinking you were going to go that direction, 0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.000 but you know, Gallup, if he gets the chance, That's 0:30:52.000 --> 0:30:55.400 what I'm saying. I keep asking, and Mickey, I see 0:30:55.440 --> 0:31:01.000 you keep asking him, asking in you know the audience. Hey, 0:31:01.200 --> 0:31:03.600 give him a chance, give him a chance, and I'm 0:31:03.600 --> 0:31:05.440 waiting for him to be that guy. I think I 0:31:05.480 --> 0:31:07.920 agree with Mickey again. I think he's the guy that 0:31:08.040 --> 0:31:11.080 needs to be the I think he needs to be. 0:31:11.760 --> 0:31:13.360 You know, take it to him a little more, just 0:31:13.560 --> 0:31:15.200 just go ahead and trust him a little more trying. 0:31:15.440 --> 0:31:16.960 You know, you get it. You get him going early 0:31:16.960 --> 0:31:19.160 in that game, and I'm sure someone will say, well, 0:31:19.240 --> 0:31:21.440 broad us. He ran the route, it clanged off his hands, 0:31:21.480 --> 0:31:23.480 you know, da da da da da. I get that, 0:31:23.640 --> 0:31:27.240 But I'm I just think there's too much talent there. Yeah, 0:31:27.280 --> 0:31:30.000 I just think there's too much talent there. Yeah. Let 0:31:30.040 --> 0:31:32.840 me ask you this what we've seen about. How about Taco? 0:31:34.240 --> 0:31:36.680 I mean, it's a tough matchup this week against Trent Williams, 0:31:36.920 --> 0:31:38.400 let's not. I mean, and when we get into that, 0:31:38.480 --> 0:31:40.760 when the Redskins offense, it's not could be easy for 0:31:40.840 --> 0:31:42.520 him to have to do. But what about a guy 0:31:42.560 --> 0:31:45.520 like Taco He's won The guy MALIEK. Collins. I was 0:31:45.520 --> 0:31:49.280 gonna go with Malik's second got his first sack last week. 0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:52.320 Now he plays if he's playing Darwin, he's playing the nose. Yeah. 0:31:52.360 --> 0:31:54.440 If Malik's playing the nose, you know, the numbers are 0:31:54.440 --> 0:31:56.680 harder to get to. I think then you're playing that undertackle. 0:31:56.920 --> 0:31:58.719 The guy I was gonna say is Randy Gregory. If 0:31:58.760 --> 0:32:01.480 you look what he's done the last two games. I 0:32:01.520 --> 0:32:03.840 think he had forty snap about this yesterday he had 0:32:03.840 --> 0:32:07.640 five quarterback pressures in there. Then he only plays seventeen 0:32:07.680 --> 0:32:10.840 snaps last week with you know, kind of a knee issue. Yeah, 0:32:11.200 --> 0:32:13.360 and gets his first sack and is around the ball 0:32:13.440 --> 0:32:16.400 more and is kind of playing through stuff. Uh, he 0:32:16.480 --> 0:32:18.720 showed them something the last couple of games. Now can 0:32:18.720 --> 0:32:21.440 he continue to be consistent with it? But that is 0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.840 encouraging these last couple of games that he's played. You're 0:32:24.880 --> 0:32:27.040 still you're you're You're with your receiver, though, Mickey, I'm 0:32:27.040 --> 0:32:29.960 gonna stay with him. I don't. I don't disagree with you, dude. 0:32:30.000 --> 0:32:33.040 I think he's the dude, he's the most first time 0:32:33.040 --> 0:32:37.800 I've ever knew he's Uh, he might be the most 0:32:37.800 --> 0:32:40.240 explosive receiver on this team, just in terms of pure 0:32:41.400 --> 0:32:44.400 ability to separate down the field. You know, the previous 0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:47.840 game you mentioned Houston, he had four solo tackles, three 0:32:47.880 --> 0:32:51.280 assisted tackles, so seven total, Brandy, you're talking about here, 0:32:51.360 --> 0:32:57.920 five quarterback pressures five and this this last game, I 0:32:57.960 --> 0:33:01.080 don't have it, but he played seventeen snaps and had 0:33:01.640 --> 0:33:04.200 you know, oh no, he couples. I was confusing and 0:33:04.320 --> 0:33:07.440 with Irving, he had three tackles, two for loss, he 0:33:07.520 --> 0:33:12.040 had the sack, and he had three or four quarterback hits, 0:33:12.720 --> 0:33:15.920 So not bad for seventeen snaps. I was just kind 0:33:15.960 --> 0:33:17.840 of thinking like him. I think it was gonna be 0:33:17.920 --> 0:33:21.480 one of those defensive ends him. Taco. Maybe, like you said, 0:33:21.600 --> 0:33:24.480 David Irving, you know you could be a part of that. 0:33:24.960 --> 0:33:28.000 You know who's starting the flash in more plays is 0:33:28.200 --> 0:33:32.840 Xavier Woods. And because there you go, because that was 0:33:32.880 --> 0:33:35.680 an overthrow and he's basically thrown up for grabs, I 0:33:35.680 --> 0:33:38.720 don't disagree he's start. You're starting to see twenty five 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:42.280 closer to the ball, especially when the ball's going downfield. Yeah, 0:33:42.320 --> 0:33:47.200 he got he's he's he's funny. He's taking that Houston 0:33:47.280 --> 0:33:49.600 game kind of clicks something for him. As far as 0:33:49.640 --> 0:33:52.320 taking a run at some of those offensive players. You 0:33:52.360 --> 0:33:55.720 know that with Watson's running the sidelines, he's running over there. 0:33:55.720 --> 0:34:00.200 He banged, he's banging in the guys stuff. I was thinking, oh, okay, 0:34:00.240 --> 0:34:03.080 something's happened here. You're Christopher Shard said something to him. 0:34:03.120 --> 0:34:05.680 Got him kind of going. Now now he's trying to 0:34:05.800 --> 0:34:07.560 he's trying to light some people up. He got that 0:34:07.640 --> 0:34:09.120 big hit in the game and got a penalty. I 0:34:09.200 --> 0:34:11.800 don't know how. I don't know how you avoid that 0:34:11.960 --> 0:34:14.920 penalty because either let him catch it or you or 0:34:15.000 --> 0:34:18.279 you or you get the penalty. Can't let him catch it, 0:34:18.360 --> 0:34:21.839 for sure, so okay, you got a time for another one, right, Yeah, 0:34:21.840 --> 0:34:26.239 I'll do it. Um described Connor williams rookie season in 0:34:26.400 --> 0:34:37.399 one word else can I say mine ahead? I went 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.239 the word encouraging, okay, And I know and I went 0:34:40.360 --> 0:34:43.160 encouraging because I feel like I've seen him getting better 0:34:43.560 --> 0:34:47.000 each week. I feel like I'm seeing him. You know, 0:34:47.040 --> 0:34:49.320 I was worried about him in this Jacksonville game of 0:34:49.440 --> 0:34:53.000 him sliding that Claius Campbell down inside. I'm worried about 0:34:53.080 --> 0:34:55.960 Malik Jackson. You know. I didn't hear a lot from 0:34:56.000 --> 0:34:57.920 those guys, and a lot have to do with with 0:34:58.080 --> 0:35:01.439 what the tackles were doing. But Connor Williams, I don't 0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:03.800 think he's you know, maybe early we thought, okay, a 0:35:03.800 --> 0:35:05.440 little bit of a liability with the power and the 0:35:05.480 --> 0:35:08.759 strength and all that. But I'm encouraged by his the 0:35:08.880 --> 0:35:12.960 way he's played so far, I really am. And this 0:35:13.080 --> 0:35:16.000 week again we'll talk about it. It won't be easy 0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:19.360 with the Ron Payne and Jonathan Allen and those guys. 0:35:19.440 --> 0:35:22.800 I mean, those are two big war Daddy type defensive tackles. 0:35:23.400 --> 0:35:26.160 But I'm encouraged by Connor Williams what I've seen with him, 0:35:26.200 --> 0:35:29.759 pulling the pass protection, the things like that, he had 0:35:29.800 --> 0:35:33.680 a pull block to get Zeke free on the right side, 0:35:33.960 --> 0:35:35.520 captured the edge. I can't remember. I think it was 0:35:35.560 --> 0:35:39.960 maybe first half. Yeah, it was just the athleticism. Super impressive. 0:35:40.040 --> 0:35:42.719 That's the word. Well, that's the that's the first thing 0:35:42.800 --> 0:35:45.719 you notice about him. I might say. Battling. Yeah, you know, 0:35:45.880 --> 0:35:47.919 because like we've talked about it, he's faced some guys 0:35:47.960 --> 0:35:50.320 that are just stronger than him, but he he doesn't 0:35:50.320 --> 0:35:52.759 back down from it. And again, it may take him 0:35:52.800 --> 0:35:55.120 a year to build that strength up, but he hasn't 0:35:55.160 --> 0:35:57.200 backed down from challenges. And it hasn't been perfect, but 0:35:57.239 --> 0:35:59.480 he's been solid. I worried about him too with no 0:35:59.719 --> 0:36:02.879 Tras Frederick. Yeah, that's where I said, because I thought, Okay, 0:36:02.880 --> 0:36:05.880 at least Travis Frederick will help him, you know, because 0:36:06.040 --> 0:36:08.880 Travis Frederick's capable of doing that count Travis Fredericks was 0:36:08.920 --> 0:36:12.560 capable of knowing his assignments, knowing your assignments, and executing 0:36:12.640 --> 0:36:15.520 both your assignments. You know, his assignments and your assignments. 0:36:15.560 --> 0:36:17.600 So you know, with Joe, I was worried about Joe 0:36:17.840 --> 0:36:20.080 just having to worry about his own assignments and trying 0:36:20.080 --> 0:36:22.360 to execute those. But I think that I think that 0:36:22.480 --> 0:36:24.840 Connor Williams and some one on one stuff has actually 0:36:24.920 --> 0:36:27.399 been pretty good. He gets a break this week because 0:36:27.440 --> 0:36:31.399 they cut Ziggy hood. They did do that yesterday. Huh. Yeah, 0:36:31.520 --> 0:36:34.880 he has a backup. But yeah, because Ziggy Jonathan Allen 0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:37.279 and yeah, those guys in pain are pretty darn yeah 0:36:37.280 --> 0:36:39.239 they are. I've got it. I'm gonna have to use 0:36:39.320 --> 0:36:43.279 a compound word that I'm gonna make up, okay, because 0:36:43.320 --> 0:36:45.239 this is the first thing that came to my mind. 0:36:45.560 --> 0:36:48.640 Arrow up, Arrow up, arrow up. Here we go with 0:36:48.760 --> 0:36:51.160 a hyphen yes, one word, or we could make it 0:36:51.239 --> 0:36:53.279 one word if we why, I would ride it that 0:36:53.360 --> 0:36:55.200 way and that yellow line or that red line would 0:36:55.200 --> 0:36:59.200 come underneath it would Yeah, right, get that line? How 0:36:59.239 --> 0:37:02.320 do you? Okay? In the but when I make up boards, 0:37:02.360 --> 0:37:04.360 I get tired when I see that. Yeah, but do 0:37:04.440 --> 0:37:07.040 you see an arrow up? Because if you encouraged, I 0:37:07.080 --> 0:37:08.880 think the more he plays, the better he gets. And 0:37:08.960 --> 0:37:12.480 I think they're figuring out ways to use him where 0:37:12.520 --> 0:37:15.919 he's more productive on the move. He's awfully darn good 0:37:16.080 --> 0:37:18.880 on the move. And and when you got two guards 0:37:18.960 --> 0:37:22.240 like that, let's let's get back to the packers student. 0:37:22.480 --> 0:37:26.000 You know, yeah, let's do the Lombardi sweet Lombardi sweep student. 0:37:26.000 --> 0:37:29.640 Body right, us body right, let's go. That's that's nothing 0:37:29.719 --> 0:37:31.759 wrong with that. You want to hit one more before 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.279 one more for the break? Right? Could do you see 0:37:34.360 --> 0:37:37.800 the the bubble bursting for Brett maher mahar how do 0:37:37.880 --> 0:37:41.160 I say his name? Mahh yeah, Brett maher Well, I 0:37:41.200 --> 0:37:43.640 hope it. Did you see the bubble bursting for Brett Maher? 0:37:43.719 --> 0:37:45.520 I hope I didn't jinx him yesterday because I wrote 0:37:45.520 --> 0:37:47.120 about how you know, if we're going to rip the 0:37:47.200 --> 0:37:51.839 Cowboys front office for all right tight end receiver, maybe 0:37:51.920 --> 0:37:54.640 they didn't project well enough there. You can argue that 0:37:54.760 --> 0:37:59.640 if you want, um for now, they nailed this decision, 0:38:00.080 --> 0:38:03.239 because this guy has been absolute money. Yeah. I went 0:38:03.280 --> 0:38:06.160 back and looked at it. Uh. Dan Bailey I think 0:38:06.239 --> 0:38:09.200 had a stretch of twenty two consecutive field goals back 0:38:09.239 --> 0:38:11.839 in twenty thirteen, and he made eighteen a few years 0:38:11.880 --> 0:38:14.880 ago in a row. These guy's at fifteen and counting, 0:38:15.239 --> 0:38:19.839 you hope, um, and they've been pretty much down the middle. Yeah, 0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:22.880 I mean where he's like like it's a miss, Oh, 0:38:22.920 --> 0:38:25.799 it's good a couple of hooks, but yeah, he's been 0:38:26.120 --> 0:38:27.759 as steady as you could ask for. This will be 0:38:28.200 --> 0:38:32.160 a pretty good test for him. Chopped up field, grabutdoors. 0:38:32.280 --> 0:38:34.320 You don't know what the wind's gonna be doing, and 0:38:34.400 --> 0:38:36.759 then you start thinking because you know, really when he 0:38:37.120 --> 0:38:38.960 the first one he missed, had a little bit to 0:38:39.040 --> 0:38:40.759 do with the wind, right, you know, it was out 0:38:41.239 --> 0:38:44.439 to drifted it outside on grass. So it's a little 0:38:44.480 --> 0:38:50.200 bit of a different story. But uh, it is bubble bursting, 0:38:50.360 --> 0:38:53.040 meaning he misses one. I'm just saying. I'm just saying, 0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:55.640 is he just the bubble bursting because he continue only 0:38:55.800 --> 0:38:58.520 heard me when in Houston I said he, I mean 0:38:58.600 --> 0:39:01.160 he's due to miss one, right, it's gonna miss one. Yeah, 0:39:01.200 --> 0:39:04.320 and he hasn't he's reset the bar. The bar was 0:39:05.640 --> 0:39:09.120 way down here. There wasn't a bar in preseason. We 0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:11.560 didn't even know he was a candidate, honestly. Yeah, So 0:39:11.640 --> 0:39:17.400 what's now, So that percentage is going to be in 0:39:17.440 --> 0:39:20.480 the ninety percent range. Yeah, I think he's leading the 0:39:20.560 --> 0:39:23.400 NFC and or he's one of the top and scoring. 0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:25.719 If I'm not mistaken, If you keep this up, you're 0:39:25.800 --> 0:39:28.520 in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, Honestly, I mean you know 0:39:28.640 --> 0:39:31.160 in the AFC, justice is gonna make it. I just 0:39:31.520 --> 0:39:34.279 I don't see the guy failing. I really don't. Maybe 0:39:34.360 --> 0:39:36.640 that maybe I've totally jinxen him here, but I just 0:39:36.760 --> 0:39:40.280 don't see it. But Mickey's right again looking at tape, 0:39:40.360 --> 0:39:42.600 the field is chopped up. When you guys walk the 0:39:42.680 --> 0:39:45.280 field on Sunday, you're gonna see a chopped up field. 0:39:45.880 --> 0:39:48.080 You know, you're gonna no telling what the wind, the 0:39:48.200 --> 0:39:50.040 weather conditions are going to be. Anybody look at that, 0:39:50.080 --> 0:39:56.239 And I know Mickey lost how many times. I mean, 0:39:56.440 --> 0:39:59.799 last year, you guys played a driving rainstorm in that game. 0:40:00.200 --> 0:40:03.040 So who knows the weather? That's all here is heading 0:40:03.120 --> 0:40:06.320 that way or towards that way. So yeah, I just 0:40:06.640 --> 0:40:09.200 I feel kind of feel like that. You know, I 0:40:09.239 --> 0:40:11.960 don't think it will for this guy. He's fifteen of sixteen. 0:40:12.800 --> 0:40:17.760 It's nine thirty eight, So yeah, ninety three almost ninety 0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:23.960 four percent. Uh, there's a couple guys that are, oh, 0:40:25.680 --> 0:40:28.440 eight of eight. Oh, they they've messed this thing up. 0:40:28.680 --> 0:40:31.839 One guy's sixteen of seventeen and they've got him at 0:40:32.160 --> 0:40:36.120 one thousand percent. Yeah, it's not really welcome to percent, 0:40:36.440 --> 0:40:38.920 is it? Welcome to the league? Is in the immortal 0:40:38.960 --> 0:40:43.120 words of Bill Parcels. One wrong, all wrong. Yeah, that's 0:40:43.160 --> 0:40:44.719 what Bill, you said. Tell me, I'd hand him somebod. 0:40:44.760 --> 0:40:47.239 He goes, that's not right. I'm like what he goes, 0:40:47.400 --> 0:40:50.360 one wrong, all wrong, and I'm like, okay, Actually that 0:40:50.520 --> 0:40:53.000 was my thinking when I you know, back in the 0:40:53.120 --> 0:40:56.080 day editing copy. If you make a fact mistake here, 0:40:56.200 --> 0:41:00.279 how do I believe that? Yeah, you can't, but the fact. Sorry, 0:41:00.280 --> 0:41:02.359 this kid's kicking, but he's gonna miss one. I don't 0:41:02.400 --> 0:41:05.200 think the bubble burst and I think he seems too 0:41:05.360 --> 0:41:10.759 strong mentally to go downhill. Well yeah, I mean we 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:15.640 thought that about this redible risk that they took. It's 0:41:15.719 --> 0:41:19.399 halfway through. It's it's paying off for him. Now. Yeah, 0:41:19.440 --> 0:41:22.239 Bailey was a little different circumstance. He got hurt, got her. 0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:24.400 I'm not saying he's mentally and he may say I'm 0:41:24.480 --> 0:41:27.920 back too soon. That's that's that's a fair for him. 0:41:27.960 --> 0:41:29.520 It was like a golf swing. It just kind of 0:41:29.560 --> 0:41:33.279 went south for Tiger. Wood's not winning for five years, 0:41:33.560 --> 0:41:35.800 yeah kind of. I mean, I think it was a 0:41:35.920 --> 0:41:40.000 carry over into the off season. Yeah. And one of 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:43.840 the reasons why they brought this guy in, um he 0:41:43.960 --> 0:41:47.359 could punt and he can kick everybody a break. They're 0:41:47.400 --> 0:41:50.440 in training camp, and then I just don't think they 0:41:51.080 --> 0:41:55.800 they they got scared of sort of the mental nature 0:41:56.080 --> 0:41:59.839 of Bailey in training camps because he didn't kick that right, 0:42:00.040 --> 0:42:02.960 And they also saw this kid not miss Yeah, so 0:42:03.080 --> 0:42:05.120 it's another thing. And then I mean he malories and 0:42:05.200 --> 0:42:08.200 said he didn't make everyone. I I remember a couple 0:42:08.200 --> 0:42:12.560 of ugly kicks, right, Sure he missed too, yeah, But 0:42:12.840 --> 0:42:16.040 San Francisco he settled down and then it was like, yeah, 0:42:16.200 --> 0:42:19.279 he's making everything, and you know, and and and part 0:42:19.320 --> 0:42:22.800 of me thought in the game Sunday that at the 0:42:22.960 --> 0:42:25.000 end when they kicked a fifty five yard or they 0:42:25.080 --> 0:42:27.560 made it't need to do that, right, But I think 0:42:27.600 --> 0:42:29.960 they thought, you know what, let's give me some confidence. Yeah, 0:42:30.040 --> 0:42:32.000 let's send him out there. You know, let's see what 0:42:32.080 --> 0:42:35.120 he can do from fifty five in a game, all right, 0:42:35.280 --> 0:42:37.640 And he nailed it. Yeah, he has nailed it. Ten 0:42:37.680 --> 0:42:39.239 games to go, a long way to go, but he 0:42:39.400 --> 0:42:41.840 is playing extremely well. 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If that happened. A lot of 0:46:38.920 --> 0:46:43.600 a lot of redskin talk today. And yeah it's Harvey 0:46:43.680 --> 0:46:46.160 Martin week. Yeah, there we go, Memorial Week. We might 0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:47.840 have time to squeeze in a phone call at the end, 0:46:47.880 --> 0:46:49.759 if you guys want to call in eight eight, five, 0:46:50.040 --> 0:46:51.839 two two nine sevens the number I wanted to touch 0:46:51.920 --> 0:46:55.080 quickly on the Redskins defense because we saw this renaissance 0:46:55.120 --> 0:46:59.640 from the Cowboys offense on Sunday against Jacksonville forty points. 0:47:00.800 --> 0:47:04.240 Just nobody saw that coming. Now they face a Redskins defense, 0:47:04.360 --> 0:47:08.719 guys that against the run just shut down the best 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:14.399 running attack in the NFL through five weeks, Carolina eighty 0:47:14.440 --> 0:47:17.360 one yards. And what's interesting to me about it, guys, 0:47:17.680 --> 0:47:21.600 is the read option that we've seen already head to head, 0:47:21.680 --> 0:47:25.560 Cam Newton, Christian McCaffrey. Number one, you see the Cowboys 0:47:25.640 --> 0:47:28.960 trying that more and actually continuing what we saw with 0:47:29.120 --> 0:47:31.840 Dak running more. And two, is this a bad matchup 0:47:31.880 --> 0:47:34.960 given with the way the Redskins handled that this past Sunday. Yeah, 0:47:35.040 --> 0:47:36.840 you know, I went back and I did get to 0:47:36.880 --> 0:47:41.280 see the Carolina game. I didn't know if anybody else did. Yes, Okay, 0:47:41.400 --> 0:47:44.960 so yeah, they it was I don't think that the 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:50.000 Carolina was totally committed to doing it. Well who was, Yeah, 0:47:50.040 --> 0:47:52.840 I was running the ball for him. Yeahcaffrey. McCaffrey was 0:47:52.880 --> 0:47:54.759 trying to run it. But they I don't think they. 0:47:55.680 --> 0:47:57.759 It looked like to me they came into the game 0:47:58.440 --> 0:48:01.600 trying to throw the ball all initially and they and 0:48:01.680 --> 0:48:03.640 they got but they got behind in this game. They 0:48:04.480 --> 0:48:07.160 got they got, Yeah, they got they got behind, and 0:48:07.239 --> 0:48:09.400 all of a sudden, we talk about, oh, if you 0:48:09.480 --> 0:48:12.759 can make somebody one dimensional, you know in Carolina, when 0:48:12.840 --> 0:48:17.879 Carolina can't play either tied or with the lead, Cam 0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:21.200 Newton's really not interested in running all that much, you know. 0:48:21.560 --> 0:48:23.359 I mean, I mean they've got to have that. They've 0:48:23.360 --> 0:48:25.880 got to have that as part of their their package. 0:48:25.960 --> 0:48:27.600 When they get behind, then all of a sudden, it 0:48:27.680 --> 0:48:30.480 turns into, Okay, we got to throw the ball. I 0:48:30.560 --> 0:48:34.360 think Dallas will be more committed to trying to do 0:48:34.600 --> 0:48:37.640 some of the stuff, the read options stuff, the RPO stuff. 0:48:39.360 --> 0:48:42.800 It's what makes it difficult is when we talk about 0:48:42.840 --> 0:48:45.960 this what I mentioned, you know, with Jonathan Allen, they 0:48:46.000 --> 0:48:48.719 made a big time commitment seventeenth overall pick. I had 0:48:48.800 --> 0:48:51.000 him as a top five guy, you know, in the 0:48:51.120 --> 0:48:53.600 in the draft coming out when he did in twenty seventeen. 0:48:53.680 --> 0:48:56.360 Had some shoulder issues that maybe dropped him down the 0:48:56.400 --> 0:48:59.160 board a little bit to you know, but he played 0:48:59.239 --> 0:49:03.240 five games last Yeah, this Dron Payne, I mean, Preston Smith, 0:49:04.120 --> 0:49:07.920 Ryan Kerrigan. They've got guys, they've they've got power. But 0:49:08.080 --> 0:49:11.279 you got Preston Smith and you got Kerrigan, and what 0:49:11.400 --> 0:49:14.000 those guys can do is they run and they you know, 0:49:14.120 --> 0:49:16.080 but you could take advantage of them a little bit 0:49:16.200 --> 0:49:18.560 with the Billy because they're gonna chase. I mean, they're 0:49:18.560 --> 0:49:21.120 gonna chase. So if you do get them chasing the 0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:24.080 ball inside, well maybe you can bounce it. Because the 0:49:24.160 --> 0:49:26.680 way the Redskins like to play it is when they 0:49:26.760 --> 0:49:29.960 when they chase inside, they'll have those linebackers scrape over 0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.880 the top. So that's where if you can, you know 0:49:33.000 --> 0:49:34.640 you can. And that's where we saw the Cowboys have 0:49:34.880 --> 0:49:39.920 some success last week. Is as fast as Jacksonville's linebackers were, 0:49:40.960 --> 0:49:43.680 they were able to get bodies up onto those guys 0:49:44.040 --> 0:49:46.200 and then make it difficult for them to have to 0:49:46.320 --> 0:49:49.400 make a play. So I don't really know how committed 0:49:49.840 --> 0:49:52.279 Carolina was to run in the football because I felt 0:49:52.320 --> 0:49:54.600 like they got behind in that game and then all 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:57.399 of a sudden it became uh, you know, Green Bay 0:49:57.480 --> 0:49:59.160 and I watched that game. That didn't even they didn't 0:49:59.160 --> 0:50:02.000 even try and run. The Saints just the Saints just 0:50:02.120 --> 0:50:04.440 demoralized him the way you know that Drew Brees was 0:50:04.480 --> 0:50:06.760 throwing the football. So they haven't a lot one hundred 0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.280 yard rushing, right, But maybe it's a little misleading. McCaffrey 0:50:09.280 --> 0:50:12.640 had twenty yards on eight carries he had and he 0:50:12.960 --> 0:50:15.319 ripped off two like eight yard runs on the first 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:17.640 drive of the game, and after that had nothing. I 0:50:17.760 --> 0:50:20.880 just noticed when they did run the RPO, they were 0:50:20.920 --> 0:50:23.160 crashing in on him. Yeah, and it makes me think, 0:50:23.200 --> 0:50:24.799 And now I don't know how much the Cowboys will 0:50:24.920 --> 0:50:27.680 use that, but they're going to commit bodies to Zeke 0:50:27.680 --> 0:50:29.600 and try to stop him. Yeah, they know, they know 0:50:29.800 --> 0:50:34.759 that's their survival defensively depends on that. Now, this is 0:50:34.840 --> 0:50:38.560 a secondary that has Josh Norman and they have you know, 0:50:38.600 --> 0:50:41.480 they have a young guy named Quinton Dunbar who you 0:50:41.680 --> 0:50:43.680 could read about today. He's one of my under the 0:50:43.800 --> 0:50:46.400 radar guys. He gets a lot of play because people 0:50:46.520 --> 0:50:49.399 don't want to attack Josh Norman. But I don't think 0:50:49.840 --> 0:50:52.200 I would go away. Like last week we talked about 0:50:52.280 --> 0:50:54.719 Jalen Ramsey and what he was able to do. I 0:50:54.800 --> 0:50:58.080 don't think you go away from Josh Norman. I really don't. 0:50:58.200 --> 0:51:01.960 I think Josh Norman, especially now, they're playing just a 0:51:02.080 --> 0:51:05.279 ton of zone coverage here, So okay, how do you 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:08.120 find ways? And he's gonna sit on one side of 0:51:08.120 --> 0:51:10.759 the field, He's not going to move around and you know, 0:51:11.000 --> 0:51:12.960 and travel with guys. I mean, I haven't seen that 0:51:13.120 --> 0:51:15.920 so far. I don't expect him to travel with Cole Beasley. 0:51:16.280 --> 0:51:18.800 And then that means that Fabian Moreau, who they drafted 0:51:18.840 --> 0:51:21.239 in the in the third round in the seventeen draft 0:51:21.280 --> 0:51:25.399 from UCLA, is your nickel player. So I just feel 0:51:25.480 --> 0:51:28.600 like though that I would not be afraid to go 0:51:28.880 --> 0:51:31.560 after Josh Norman. I think Josh Norman not say his 0:51:31.680 --> 0:51:35.360 better days are gone, but I don't think Josh Norman 0:51:35.520 --> 0:51:37.759 is this oh my god, we got to stay away 0:51:37.840 --> 0:51:39.960 from you guy. I think that, you know, I think 0:51:40.000 --> 0:51:42.480 there's some things you can do to Josh Norman that 0:51:42.640 --> 0:51:44.759 will that can you could take advantage of him. And 0:51:44.960 --> 0:51:47.160 I think you could take advantage of this Quinton Dunbar 0:51:47.440 --> 0:51:50.320 with some double move stuff. He's really anxious about, you know, 0:51:50.480 --> 0:51:53.160 getting in there. But to the Cowboys game plan, yeah, 0:51:53.680 --> 0:51:58.640 Zeke read option, RPO, waggles, boots, throw the ball down 0:51:58.719 --> 0:52:00.960 the field to Michael Gallup if you can, because I 0:52:01.360 --> 0:52:06.480 see those are opportunities down there. Two points. They got 0:52:06.680 --> 0:52:10.080 off to a the Redskins got off to a seventeen 0:52:10.120 --> 0:52:14.719 to nothing. That was huge. Carolina only ran the ball 0:52:14.960 --> 0:52:20.400 eighteen times. Yeah, and their best run was an end 0:52:20.480 --> 0:52:24.520 around by more is that Dj moore jo had an 0:52:24.520 --> 0:52:29.160 eighteen yard run. Cam ran the ball nine times for 0:52:29.480 --> 0:52:32.600 forty three yards. That's almost five yards a carry a 0:52:32.680 --> 0:52:34.120 lot of us. He just had to keep it because 0:52:34.160 --> 0:52:36.799 they weren't gonna let mccaffre kay, So I'll take that. Yeah, 0:52:36.920 --> 0:52:39.720 they only ran it eighteen times ahead eighty one yards. 0:52:41.080 --> 0:52:44.719 So and then the Saints didn't try to run it. 0:52:44.760 --> 0:52:47.400 They didn't need to run against him, right, they just passed. 0:52:48.040 --> 0:52:53.160 Uh second point. I saw headlines about Josh Norman's back 0:52:53.480 --> 0:52:56.480 had an interception forced to fumble, Right, I could have 0:52:56.560 --> 0:53:00.880 intercepted that ball. Yeah, Cam new And was hit when 0:53:00.960 --> 0:53:02.920 he threw the ball and it fluttered up like a 0:53:03.160 --> 0:53:06.239 duck and it went right to him. And and the 0:53:06.400 --> 0:53:09.280 darn thing about it was if Cam Newton's arm didn't 0:53:09.320 --> 0:53:12.840 get hit, his guy was behind him, they were behind touchdown. 0:53:12.920 --> 0:53:16.520 YEA buying this. You know he's starting to talk a 0:53:16.640 --> 0:53:19.680 better game. He played so bad against New Orleans they 0:53:19.719 --> 0:53:22.759 benched him. Well, he apparently he had a locker room 0:53:22.880 --> 0:53:25.800 thing at halftime with Gruden. Yeah, Well that that was 0:53:26.120 --> 0:53:29.040 that led to the Benching go sit down. He did 0:53:29.160 --> 0:53:31.719 give up two touchdown passes and they so yeah, you know, 0:53:32.520 --> 0:53:34.680 I mean, they've got some guys up front, but I 0:53:34.760 --> 0:53:39.040 think you know, it's another three four defense. Yeah, those 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.239 defensive ends played. Yeah, gotta block him. You gotta make 0:53:42.320 --> 0:53:44.719 sure these guys are you know. I mean, the thing 0:53:44.800 --> 0:53:48.240 that I always am concerned about is the inside power. 0:53:48.520 --> 0:53:50.920 You know, when you got Looney and you got Connor. 0:53:51.040 --> 0:53:53.360 But you know, so far, so good, you guys have 0:53:53.680 --> 0:53:58.000 have held up well. I think you're gonna have to continue. 0:53:58.280 --> 0:54:00.160 Ryan Carrigan is one of those guys. I think he's 0:54:00.160 --> 0:54:04.400 one of the most underappreciated players in the league because 0:54:04.480 --> 0:54:08.600 he's a he's a He is always going after the ball. 0:54:08.680 --> 0:54:12.160 He's always trying to make plays. He hustles. His effort 0:54:12.280 --> 0:54:14.839 is tremendous. He plays on a football team that's been 0:54:14.960 --> 0:54:17.759 up and down, so he hasn't got the credit. But 0:54:17.920 --> 0:54:20.200 you have to. You have to make sure that you 0:54:20.360 --> 0:54:23.160 finish him off as a blocker. You can't let him 0:54:23.239 --> 0:54:25.799 kind of hang around, hang around if they're moving around 0:54:25.840 --> 0:54:27.799 in the pocket. He's one of those guys that get 0:54:27.880 --> 0:54:31.040 sacks if there's four seconds in the pocket because he's 0:54:31.040 --> 0:54:33.160 just gonna keep going and going and going, and then 0:54:33.200 --> 0:54:36.480 the tackle is gonna lose leverage. And then the next thing, 0:54:36.480 --> 0:54:38.480 you know, he's got a sack. So you got to 0:54:38.520 --> 0:54:42.399 make And Preston Smith, you know, is a from Mississippi State. 0:54:42.560 --> 0:54:45.440 You know, he's another a good player's second round pick 0:54:45.520 --> 0:54:48.440 in the twenty fifteen draft. I'll tell you what, I 0:54:48.680 --> 0:54:50.919 really like him a lot too. They've got a couple 0:54:50.920 --> 0:54:54.440 of goes good. Uh, those good outside linebackers with Smith 0:54:54.520 --> 0:54:57.359 and then and then with Kerrigan and and then those 0:54:57.400 --> 0:55:00.480 big inside guys. So it's a good defense up front 0:55:00.520 --> 0:55:03.680 that way. Person. Smith given him trouble before. Yeah, yeah, 0:55:04.200 --> 0:55:08.400 he's range yeah, long rangey guy. All right, let's go 0:55:08.480 --> 0:55:10.839 to redskin country before we get out of here. Oh, 0:55:11.000 --> 0:55:15.239 John in Maryland, they finished finish us up for us 0:55:16.000 --> 0:55:20.640 great when with the against the Jaguars. Loved what back 0:55:20.840 --> 0:55:24.840 Tommy did with that offense. But I'm like super excited 0:55:24.880 --> 0:55:31.880 about this defense. Um, why what? What what makes you 0:55:32.000 --> 0:55:36.919 say about the defense? Sir? Yea, the secondary, the linebackers, 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:41.279 but especially this line. Okay, um, And that's where my 0:55:41.400 --> 0:55:43.719 question is. We know what dew and David Irvan is 0:55:43.760 --> 0:55:46.120 gonna bring if they stay healthy at the end of 0:55:46.200 --> 0:55:50.200 the year. But if Doors Armstrong and Randy Gregory, if 0:55:50.239 --> 0:55:53.759 they progressed that they have been gained by game and 0:55:53.960 --> 0:55:56.880 along with Moe Collins, do you think this is a 0:55:57.000 --> 0:56:03.080 defense by chemical run like the Giants did and h 0:56:03.640 --> 0:56:07.000 and the Broncos did in years ago? All right, super 0:56:07.040 --> 0:56:09.520 Bowl run? Yeah, all right, yeah yeah, I feel like 0:56:10.880 --> 0:56:13.520 I feel I just I hadn't seen the defensive line 0:56:13.600 --> 0:56:18.359 like the um ever with the Cowboys, and I'm I'm 0:56:18.480 --> 0:56:20.880 going back to like Charles Hilly days and when we 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:24.640 had Charles Hilly and I don't know if we had 0:56:24.760 --> 0:56:27.279 had me, I'm leash went after the quarterback. But I 0:56:27.400 --> 0:56:30.520 see this Jean line. I see a line that everyone 0:56:30.719 --> 0:56:33.440 can go after the quarterback, and uh, you know, I 0:56:33.520 --> 0:56:35.120 hope that's the chase by the end of the year. 0:56:35.600 --> 0:56:38.560 You know what he said, And thank you When you 0:56:38.640 --> 0:56:40.800 guys were it was earlier, I don't know how we 0:56:40.920 --> 0:56:43.680 were talking about the defensive line and the different guys 0:56:44.360 --> 0:56:47.920 and I was thinking, you remember when Jerry Jones said 0:56:48.200 --> 0:56:51.960 this might be the most talented defensive front we've had, 0:56:52.120 --> 0:56:54.240 And I don't know if he meant in his time 0:56:54.520 --> 0:56:57.960 or whatever. And everybody was like ah ha ha ha, 0:56:58.400 --> 0:57:03.200 that's Jerry over talking again and exaggerating and you know, 0:57:03.480 --> 0:57:07.880 like he had amnesia or something. Well, you know what, 0:57:08.400 --> 0:57:11.120 get what we saw last week. If it's just a 0:57:11.239 --> 0:57:15.000 glimpse of having malite Collins out there, David Irving out there, 0:57:15.120 --> 0:57:19.240 Gregory Lawrence, uh and the caller even mentioned Armstrong and 0:57:19.320 --> 0:57:23.680 Taco's playing better. Yeah, you know that. Now they've got 0:57:23.800 --> 0:57:25.760 to make sure they're good against the run, that they 0:57:25.800 --> 0:57:27.960 don't get this thing in their eye in their head 0:57:28.080 --> 0:57:30.040 that oh we the hot boys and all we gotta 0:57:30.080 --> 0:57:32.520 do is go get sacks. Yeah, you better stop the 0:57:32.640 --> 0:57:36.520 run first, which Marinelli reminds them of every day. But 0:57:36.680 --> 0:57:38.880 if they do that, they got the ability to put 0:57:38.920 --> 0:57:41.800 pressure on the quarterback from across the board. If you 0:57:41.880 --> 0:57:45.160 had an offense that could score consistently, like they'd be 0:57:45.200 --> 0:57:47.000 even better. Yeah. Like if you had to do like 0:57:47.080 --> 0:57:48.480 what the Redskins did the other day and you get 0:57:48.560 --> 0:57:51.040 up seventeen nothing, you know, well you saw it off 0:57:51.120 --> 0:57:54.200 aren't like the last week the Jacksonville. Yeah, all of 0:57:54.240 --> 0:57:56.400 a sudden, that defense becomes a lot better when when 0:57:56.400 --> 0:57:58.320 you all of a sudden you're playing behind the lead. 0:57:58.480 --> 0:58:02.120 Those sacks started piling up and half absolutely deposition the sacks. Sean, 0:58:02.240 --> 0:58:04.120 thanks for the call. We gotta get out of here, guys. 0:58:04.240 --> 0:58:08.320 Good show, good discussion. Bill. We'll be back tomorrow and 0:58:08.400 --> 0:58:11.520 we'll continue breaking down Cowboys. Retch Hall him to finish 0:58:11.640 --> 0:58:14.479 that showed in time to join us. He's a busy, 0:58:14.560 --> 0:58:17.200 busy man, and so is Kid Garrison. 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