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Speaker 1: The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com

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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This he's Talking Cowboys,

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Speaker 1: screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World headquarters at the

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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian brought us,

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Speaker 1: Rob Phillips, and Bill Jones. What's up? Welcome into Talking

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Speaker 1: Cowboys inside the SWBC Mortgage Studio. I am Rob Phillips

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Speaker 1: hosting for Bill Jones across the table as always, my

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Speaker 1: good friend Brian brought us. Should we try and get

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Speaker 1: all our questions in before Mickey comes rolling in? Start

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Speaker 1: playing the game. Just start playing right now, because he

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Speaker 1: doesn't want to play. Mickey hates my games. I'm sorry,

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Speaker 1: Mickey hates my game. I just you know, I think

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Speaker 1: it's fun. I think you try and you know, not

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Speaker 1: holding anybody all to this, you just kind of give

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Speaker 1: an opinion on it and move on. Yeah. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 1: do that. We'll do a little bit of that and uh,

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Speaker 1: at some point that chair will be filled. Right now

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Speaker 1: it's empty. Oh and there he is. Yeah, Yeah, a

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Speaker 1: grand interest Kit Garrison next door producing as always, and uh,

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Speaker 1: it's a practice day for your Dallas Cowboys Yeah, on

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Speaker 1: a Wednesday. It's also Redskins Week. When did you write

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Speaker 1: that book on the Redskins Mickey uh nineteen ninety seven,

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Speaker 1: ninety seven, Yeah, matchups. She did something like that. We

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Speaker 1: did twenty best games in Cowboy Redskin history, ten for

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Speaker 1: each ten wins for each team. Wow. Okay, but you

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Speaker 1: did the research. Didn't you interview the guy one time?

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Speaker 1: When we were at Valley Ranch, we interviewed the guy

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Speaker 1: you wrote. You co wrote that with Ravil. Yeah, he's

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Speaker 1: a Washington Post guy. He was a Washington Times guy.

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Speaker 1: Of course, the way newspapers have gone, he's been long

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Speaker 1: gone from there also, So the Redskins seem to be

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Speaker 1: trying to revive the rivalry. From what I've seen this

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Speaker 1: is they've already put a big banner when you walk

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Speaker 1: into their practice facility, and it's got big bold letters

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Speaker 1: and it says Cowboys Week. And that's what it used

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Speaker 1: to be called in the seventies and eighties, Georgia Allen.

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Speaker 1: And now they're they're doing a promotion because they haven't

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Speaker 1: had a sellout at that stadium in like forever, and

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Speaker 1: so they're trying to sell it out. So they're doing

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Speaker 1: a promotion out there if you have some sort of

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Speaker 1: mean tweet or something you get for free tickets, and

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Speaker 1: they're going to have a concert outside beforehand with some

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Speaker 1: country band called low Cash all capital letters, by the way,

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Speaker 1: and then they're tweeting out hashtag beat Cowboys. It's Burgundy week,

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Speaker 1: by the way, so the Cowboys better any week. This

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Speaker 1: is Redskins week here, By golly, you know, I have

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Speaker 1: a big deal around here. You know. It's Nikki's right.

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Speaker 1: Though you watched their tape. There's a lot of yellow

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Speaker 1: seats when you would see those home games. You know

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Speaker 1: what they did too, is they took out that upper depth.

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Speaker 1: They didn't block it off. They took the seats out, yea.

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Speaker 1: And they were gonna sell standing room on the kind

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Speaker 1: of way the Cowboys had, right, But there's they are

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Speaker 1: at the top of the stadium. And I don't know

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Speaker 1: when you when I used to make the trips with

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Speaker 1: lot of Cowboy fans at TESK games. Oh yeah, I

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Speaker 1: mean I mean that I went back and watched the

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Speaker 1: Romo passed to de Marco Murray and the crowd, you know,

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Speaker 1: the fourth down play. The crowd was incredibly loud, and

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Speaker 1: then when Murray scored, it was like, oh yeah, it

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Speaker 1: Murray had scored at the far end, the far corner,

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Speaker 1: and that was one of those disastrous Oh you try

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Speaker 1: it's a second or fourth and gold on the you

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Speaker 1: but we were I just remember how the crowd reacted,

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Speaker 1: and then I went back and watched it again. O'm

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Speaker 1: then I remembered again. I'm like, man, there's a lot

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Speaker 1: starting with the kids table since like oh four, hey,

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Speaker 1: I shot since the inception. Huh. I saw a show

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Speaker 1: the kids table. Yeah, it was in a different spot.

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Speaker 1: It's look ridiculous as I did back then. You look ridiculous,

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Speaker 1: of people that call in and email us from Maryland.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Virginia, NEBBI and Silver Spring, Upper Marlborough, Maryland. Right.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it's rebellion against your parents, two

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Speaker 1: I'll give you two reasons. One, when the Cowboys and

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Speaker 1: tech Shram were developing their radio network, he bought us.

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Speaker 1: the Cowboy games all the time, right, and they developed fans.

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Speaker 1: The second thing that happened was when Lyndon Johnson took

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Speaker 1: after Kennedy was assassinated, all these people from Texas had

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Speaker 1: to come and walk in Washington, DC. Right, So it

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Speaker 1: was like a bunch of Cowboy fans were implanted in Washington, DC.

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Speaker 1: You know, some of them might have stayed, some of

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty when they first started. It's it's it's always

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Speaker 1: been fascinating to me too that they've Even when they realignment,

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Speaker 1: when all that was going on there, the Cowboys were

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Speaker 1: We're still gonna play Philadelphia, New York, Washington, your major cities.

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Speaker 1: I mean they're playing in the nation's capital, right exactly.

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Speaker 1: the Giants from keep playing the Eagles, And actually, I mean,

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Speaker 1: when you think about a comfort standpoint, logistically, those are

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Speaker 1: long road trips. Sure, it's actually harder on you than it. Yes,

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Speaker 1: these people on the team now have no idea. No,

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Speaker 1: with the fans in Washington, Yeah, they still get fired

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Speaker 1: and he was still bitter. Biggest mistake you've ever made

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Speaker 1: what what what an NFC East team do you disliked

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Speaker 1: the most sports hate? Sports hate? Of the three options

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Speaker 1: The Redskins were a whole different thing. So I wonder

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Speaker 1: Redskins were as bad, right, And they didn't get good

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Speaker 1: of a sudden, the Redskins were taken away something that

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Speaker 1: I think the Cowboys thought was there inalienable right to

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Speaker 1: go ask Roger Staubuck. He'll still get fired up. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: knocking him out of that seventy four Thanksgiving game because

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Speaker 1: after this show. But as we start segment, to Brian,

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Speaker 1: you got a little game for us today. I always

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Speaker 1: like to ask a few questions and as Mickey always

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Speaker 1: asked Mandy to answer the question as well, and that's

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Speaker 1: important and I do agree with him on that. And

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Speaker 1: my first question for you guys are are you surprised

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Speaker 1: how smoothly the defense has played without Shawn Lee? Yes,

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Speaker 1: I thought they were better prepared to absorb his loss.

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Speaker 1: But I was worried, not so much from a talent standpoint,

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Speaker 1: because I think we kind of got a taste of

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Speaker 1: what Jalen Smith was going to be this year. Wasn't

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Speaker 1: totally sold in the beginning on Layton Vander esh figured

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Speaker 1: he'd need some time, sure, but I was worried more

488
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Speaker 1: about how organized they would be. Who would be the

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Speaker 1: guy that gets right now and you know, and diagnosed

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Speaker 1: the plays. And surprisingly Vanders seems to diagnose plays. He's

491
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Speaker 1: got some of that, and Sean Lee's sense out there

492
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Speaker 1: does so. Yeah, I think that I think they've absorbed

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Speaker 1: as loss better than I expected, seeing that they lost

494
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Speaker 1: ten of eleven over the previous three years when either

495
00:26:34,880 --> 00:26:38,520
Speaker 1: he didn't play or didn't finish a game because of injury.

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Speaker 1: I would I'm surprised at how they really haven't seemed

497
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Speaker 1: to miss a beat. It's gonna answer Mickey by the way,

498
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Speaker 1: thank you. Yeah, I'm not that surprised that they've still

499
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Speaker 1: been able to function well, but the level they've continued

500
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:53,880
Speaker 1: to play at has been surprised. Yeah, because they I mean,

501
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:56,800
Speaker 1: this was a dominant effort last week. And really, I

502
00:26:56,840 --> 00:26:58,720
Speaker 1: mean when you look at the numbers what they're doing,

503
00:26:58,760 --> 00:27:01,960
Speaker 1: it seems like they mean better. Yes, I mean not

504
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:04,920
Speaker 1: not without but the things that we thought that were

505
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: like okay, this, like Mickey said, instinctually, how are things

506
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,240
Speaker 1: gonna go? Are they gonna be able to communicate? Are

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00:27:10,280 --> 00:27:11,639
Speaker 1: they going to be able to line up. Are they

508
00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: going to be able to make plays? It seems like

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00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,400
Speaker 1: every week that they've gotten better. And I don't think

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00:27:18,400 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 1: it's lack of Sean Lee. I just think the I

511
00:27:21,040 --> 00:27:24,399
Speaker 1: think the linebackers have gotten better. Yeah. I didn't worry

512
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: as much as some people did about the communication part

513
00:27:26,840 --> 00:27:29,359
Speaker 1: of it, because Jalen Smith's been in this defense a

514
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Speaker 1: couple of years now, even when he wasn't playing, He's

515
00:27:31,400 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: been around it. Uh, You've got Chris Rashard, who's a

516
00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:37,199
Speaker 1: good coach as that passing game coordinator to kind of

517
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Speaker 1: marry the back end with the front seven. Um. But

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Speaker 1: vander Esh is the one who surprised me the most.

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Speaker 1: And I know we talked about this a little bit yesterday.

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Speaker 1: I didn't think he would be this good this early

521
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Speaker 1: game time that he missed in preseason. Yeah, and he's

522
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Speaker 1: been outstanding. We were talking about that last night at

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Speaker 1: happy Hour. Yeah that that Okay, that if with vander

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Speaker 1: Esh with time he missed in the OTA's and then

525
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,840
Speaker 1: into training camp, you're thinking, oh, is this a setback?

526
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Speaker 1: Is this going to be a huge setback? But I

527
00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,720
Speaker 1: totally agree with what you guys are saying there. I

528
00:28:08,560 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: was just I was like Mickey, I was worried about, Okay,

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Speaker 1: who is going to hold things together? Remember I was

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Speaker 1: the one screaming for a trade for Earl Thomas because

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00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: I was worried with Shawn Lee going out, who was

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00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:24,640
Speaker 1: going to hold the defense together? You know, I was thinking, Okay,

533
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Speaker 1: if you got Earl Thomas, then Earl Thomas can be

534
00:28:27,359 --> 00:28:31,040
Speaker 1: the glue of Shawn Lee somehow misses three games, Who's

535
00:28:31,040 --> 00:28:33,760
Speaker 1: going to be the glue? Little did I know? The

536
00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,960
Speaker 1: glue has been the play of them. It hasn't been

537
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Speaker 1: the leadership. It's been the It's been the play of

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Speaker 1: the front seven. It's been the play of the secondary.

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Speaker 1: You know, the way they've been able to hold up.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I I you know, I count me? Is

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Speaker 1: count me? A surprise? It's gone as smoothly as it

542
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Speaker 1: has and the overall talent on the defense is better

543
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Speaker 1: than it was last year. These guys from last year,

544
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,040
Speaker 1: the rookies are a year older. Yeah, this is the

545
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Speaker 1: deepest defensive line now that I can remember, since Rod

546
00:29:02,120 --> 00:29:05,080
Speaker 1: has been the defensive coordinator. And it should only get

547
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Speaker 1: better as long as David Irving is on the field

548
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Speaker 1: and engaged and all that stuff. Probably gonna miss today, right,

549
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: we're gonna get a David. You know what he said.

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Speaker 1: He said after the game that he thought he would

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Speaker 1: get back here in time for practice. Okay, so this

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00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: is a local, yes, local, Yeah, we're doing that. And

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00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 1: he said something about thank you judge for working early,

554
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,400
Speaker 1: first thing in the morning, like eight or nine o'clock,

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Speaker 1: and so he thought he'd be here. He said it

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Speaker 1: in the locker room after the game, that judge who knows,

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Speaker 1: because you know how courts go. Yeah, astins get delayed

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Speaker 1: their own spend, yes, you know. And one other thing

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Speaker 1: on this leadership thing for you to the next one.

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Speaker 1: I think a guy that has somewhat emerged has been

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Speaker 1: Jeff Heath. Yeah, that's that's a good point too. He

562
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,520
Speaker 1: seems to kind of be calming back, calming, not not

563
00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 1: a raw, raw guy, but just kind of knowing what's

564
00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: going on and helping those other young guys out. Uh.

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Speaker 1: And even in the locker room, you know, he's been

566
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Speaker 1: a little bit well, people have asked him question but

567
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 1: he's more outspoken, like he'll he's a quiet guy. He'll

568
00:30:08,800 --> 00:30:12,640
Speaker 1: give you some information, but he's quiet. Yeah. That tackle

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Speaker 1: he made last Sunday, Holy Kyle, he will make some place. Okay.

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Speaker 1: My next question for you guys is the player that

571
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Speaker 1: has been quiet early but is due to break out

572
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Speaker 1: in the second half. Here you have somebody mind that

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00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,240
Speaker 1: has been a little quiet and then all of a

574
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:34,480
Speaker 1: sudden though you're feeling like, Okay, this guy's gonna have

575
00:30:34,560 --> 00:30:37,120
Speaker 1: that to you know, carry you through a few games.

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Speaker 1: You're chuckling, Mick. I know because it's the same answer

577
00:30:40,240 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: I come up with every week, is that this guy

578
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Speaker 1: is gonna bust out. And it's Michael Gackael Gallop. I

579
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:48,080
Speaker 1: was kind of thinking you were going to go that direction,

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Speaker 1: but you know, Gallup, if he gets the chance, That's

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I keep asking, and Mickey, I see

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Speaker 1: you keep asking him, asking in you know the audience. Hey,

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Speaker 1: give him a chance, give him a chance, and I'm

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Speaker 1: waiting for him to be that guy. I think I

585
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:07,920
Speaker 1: agree with Mickey again. I think he's the guy that

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Speaker 1: needs to be the I think he needs to be.

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00:31:11,760 --> 00:31:13,360
Speaker 1: You know, take it to him a little more, just

588
00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,200
Speaker 1: just go ahead and trust him a little more trying.

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00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:16,960
Speaker 1: You know, you get it. You get him going early

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Speaker 1: in that game, and I'm sure someone will say, well,

591
00:31:19,240 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 1: broad us. He ran the route, it clanged off his hands,

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00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 1: you know, da da da da da. I get that,

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Speaker 1: But I'm I just think there's too much talent there. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I just think there's too much talent there. Yeah. Let

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00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:32,840
Speaker 1: me ask you this what we've seen about. How about Taco?

596
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Speaker 1: I mean, it's a tough matchup this week against Trent Williams,

597
00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: let's not. I mean, and when we get into that,

598
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,760
Speaker 1: when the Redskins offense, it's not could be easy for

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Speaker 1: him to have to do. But what about a guy

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Speaker 1: like Taco He's won The guy MALIEK. Collins. I was

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Speaker 1: gonna go with Malik's second got his first sack last week.

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Speaker 1: Now he plays if he's playing Darwin, he's playing the nose. Yeah.

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00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:54,440
Speaker 1: If Malik's playing the nose, you know, the numbers are

604
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: harder to get to. I think then you're playing that undertackle.

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Speaker 1: The guy I was gonna say is Randy Gregory. If

606
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Speaker 1: you look what he's done the last two games. I

607
00:32:01,520 --> 00:32:03,840
Speaker 1: think he had forty snap about this yesterday he had

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Speaker 1: five quarterback pressures in there. Then he only plays seventeen

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Speaker 1: snaps last week with you know, kind of a knee issue. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: and gets his first sack and is around the ball

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Speaker 1: more and is kind of playing through stuff. Uh, he

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Speaker 1: showed them something the last couple of games. Now can

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Speaker 1: he continue to be consistent with it? But that is

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Speaker 1: encouraging these last couple of games that he's played. You're

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Speaker 1: still you're you're You're with your receiver, though, Mickey, I'm

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Speaker 1: gonna stay with him. I don't. I don't disagree with you, dude.

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Speaker 1: I think he's the dude, he's the most first time

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Speaker 1: I've ever knew he's Uh, he might be the most

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Speaker 1: explosive receiver on this team, just in terms of pure

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Speaker 1: ability to separate down the field. You know, the previous

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Speaker 1: game you mentioned Houston, he had four solo tackles, three

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Speaker 1: assisted tackles, so seven total, Brandy, you're talking about here,

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Speaker 1: five quarterback pressures five and this this last game, I

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00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 1: don't have it, but he played seventeen snaps and had

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Speaker 1: you know, oh no, he couples. I was confusing and

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Speaker 1: with Irving, he had three tackles, two for loss, he

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Speaker 1: had the sack, and he had three or four quarterback hits,

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Speaker 1: So not bad for seventeen snaps. I was just kind

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Speaker 1: of thinking like him. I think it was gonna be

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Speaker 1: one of those defensive ends him. Taco. Maybe, like you said,

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Speaker 1: David Irving, you know you could be a part of that.

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Speaker 1: You know who's starting the flash in more plays is

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Speaker 1: Xavier Woods. And because there you go, because that was

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Speaker 1: an overthrow and he's basically thrown up for grabs, I

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Speaker 1: don't disagree he's start. You're starting to see twenty five

636
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Speaker 1: closer to the ball, especially when the ball's going downfield. Yeah,

637
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:47,200
Speaker 1: he got he's he's he's funny. He's taking that Houston

638
00:33:47,280 --> 00:33:49,600
Speaker 1: game kind of clicks something for him. As far as

639
00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,320
Speaker 1: taking a run at some of those offensive players. You

640
00:33:52,360 --> 00:33:55,720
Speaker 1: know that with Watson's running the sidelines, he's running over there.

641
00:33:55,720 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: He banged, he's banging in the guys stuff. I was thinking, oh, okay,

642
00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: something's happened here. You're Christopher Shard said something to him.

643
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,680
Speaker 1: Got him kind of going. Now now he's trying to

644
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:07,560
Speaker 1: he's trying to light some people up. He got that

645
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,120
Speaker 1: big hit in the game and got a penalty. I

646
00:34:09,200 --> 00:34:11,800
Speaker 1: don't know how. I don't know how you avoid that

647
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,920
Speaker 1: penalty because either let him catch it or you or

648
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:18,279
Speaker 1: you or you get the penalty. Can't let him catch it,

649
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:21,839
Speaker 1: for sure, so okay, you got a time for another one, right, Yeah,

650
00:34:21,840 --> 00:34:26,239
Speaker 1: I'll do it. Um described Connor williams rookie season in

651
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:37,399
Speaker 1: one word else can I say mine ahead? I went

652
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:40,239
Speaker 1: the word encouraging, okay, And I know and I went

653
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,160
Speaker 1: encouraging because I feel like I've seen him getting better

654
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:47,000
Speaker 1: each week. I feel like I'm seeing him. You know,

655
00:34:47,040 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: I was worried about him in this Jacksonville game of

656
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,000
Speaker 1: him sliding that Claius Campbell down inside. I'm worried about

657
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,960
Speaker 1: Malik Jackson. You know. I didn't hear a lot from

658
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:57,920
Speaker 1: those guys, and a lot have to do with with

659
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:01,439
Speaker 1: what the tackles were doing. But Connor Williams, I don't

660
00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: think he's you know, maybe early we thought, okay, a

661
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:05,440
Speaker 1: little bit of a liability with the power and the

662
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:08,759
Speaker 1: strength and all that. But I'm encouraged by his the

663
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,960
Speaker 1: way he's played so far, I really am. And this

664
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,000
Speaker 1: week again we'll talk about it. It won't be easy

665
00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: with the Ron Payne and Jonathan Allen and those guys.

666
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: I mean, those are two big war Daddy type defensive tackles.

667
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: But I'm encouraged by Connor Williams what I've seen with him,

668
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:29,759
Speaker 1: pulling the pass protection, the things like that, he had

669
00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:33,680
Speaker 1: a pull block to get Zeke free on the right side,

670
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:35,520
Speaker 1: captured the edge. I can't remember. I think it was

671
00:35:35,560 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 1: maybe first half. Yeah, it was just the athleticism. Super impressive.

672
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,719
Speaker 1: That's the word. Well, that's the that's the first thing

673
00:35:42,800 --> 00:35:45,719
Speaker 1: you notice about him. I might say. Battling. Yeah, you know,

674
00:35:45,880 --> 00:35:47,919
Speaker 1: because like we've talked about it, he's faced some guys

675
00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 1: that are just stronger than him, but he he doesn't

676
00:35:50,320 --> 00:35:52,759
Speaker 1: back down from it. And again, it may take him

677
00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: a year to build that strength up, but he hasn't

678
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:57,200
Speaker 1: backed down from challenges. And it hasn't been perfect, but

679
00:35:57,239 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: he's been solid. I worried about him too with no

680
00:35:59,719 --> 00:36:02,879
Speaker 1: Tras Frederick. Yeah, that's where I said, because I thought, Okay,

681
00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: at least Travis Frederick will help him, you know, because

682
00:36:06,040 --> 00:36:08,880
Speaker 1: Travis Frederick's capable of doing that count Travis Fredericks was

683
00:36:08,920 --> 00:36:12,560
Speaker 1: capable of knowing his assignments, knowing your assignments, and executing

684
00:36:12,640 --> 00:36:15,520
Speaker 1: both your assignments. You know, his assignments and your assignments.

685
00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:17,600
Speaker 1: So you know, with Joe, I was worried about Joe

686
00:36:17,840 --> 00:36:20,080
Speaker 1: just having to worry about his own assignments and trying

687
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: to execute those. But I think that I think that

688
00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:24,840
Speaker 1: Connor Williams and some one on one stuff has actually

689
00:36:24,920 --> 00:36:27,399
Speaker 1: been pretty good. He gets a break this week because

690
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:31,399
Speaker 1: they cut Ziggy hood. They did do that yesterday. Huh. Yeah,

691
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:34,880
Speaker 1: he has a backup. But yeah, because Ziggy Jonathan Allen

692
00:36:34,960 --> 00:36:37,279
Speaker 1: and yeah, those guys in pain are pretty darn yeah

693
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: they are. I've got it. I'm gonna have to use

694
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 1: a compound word that I'm gonna make up, okay, because

695
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 1: this is the first thing that came to my mind.

696
00:36:45,560 --> 00:36:48,640
Speaker 1: Arrow up, Arrow up, arrow up. Here we go with

697
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:51,160
Speaker 1: a hyphen yes, one word, or we could make it

698
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,279
Speaker 1: one word if we why, I would ride it that

699
00:36:53,360 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 1: way and that yellow line or that red line would

700
00:36:55,200 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: come underneath it would Yeah, right, get that line? How

701
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:02,320
Speaker 1: do you? Okay? In the but when I make up boards,

702
00:37:02,360 --> 00:37:04,360
Speaker 1: I get tired when I see that. Yeah, but do

703
00:37:04,440 --> 00:37:07,040
Speaker 1: you see an arrow up? Because if you encouraged, I

704
00:37:07,080 --> 00:37:08,880
Speaker 1: think the more he plays, the better he gets. And

705
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: I think they're figuring out ways to use him where

706
00:37:12,520 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: he's more productive on the move. He's awfully darn good

707
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,880
Speaker 1: on the move. And and when you got two guards

708
00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,240
Speaker 1: like that, let's let's get back to the packers student.

709
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, let's do the Lombardi sweet Lombardi sweep student.

710
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: Body right, us body right, let's go. That's that's nothing

711
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 1: wrong with that. You want to hit one more before

712
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,279
Speaker 1: one more for the break? Right? Could do you see

713
00:37:34,360 --> 00:37:37,800
Speaker 1: the the bubble bursting for Brett maher mahar how do

714
00:37:37,880 --> 00:37:41,160
Speaker 1: I say his name? Mahh yeah, Brett maher Well, I

715
00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:43,640
Speaker 1: hope it. Did you see the bubble bursting for Brett Maher?

716
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,520
Speaker 1: I hope I didn't jinx him yesterday because I wrote

717
00:37:45,520 --> 00:37:47,120
Speaker 1: about how you know, if we're going to rip the

718
00:37:47,200 --> 00:37:51,839
Speaker 1: Cowboys front office for all right tight end receiver, maybe

719
00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:54,640
Speaker 1: they didn't project well enough there. You can argue that

720
00:37:54,760 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: if you want, um for now, they nailed this decision,

721
00:38:00,080 --> 00:38:03,239
Speaker 1: because this guy has been absolute money. Yeah. I went

722
00:38:03,280 --> 00:38:06,160
Speaker 1: back and looked at it. Uh. Dan Bailey I think

723
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:09,200
Speaker 1: had a stretch of twenty two consecutive field goals back

724
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,839
Speaker 1: in twenty thirteen, and he made eighteen a few years

725
00:38:11,880 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: ago in a row. These guy's at fifteen and counting,

726
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: you hope, um, and they've been pretty much down the middle. Yeah,

727
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: I mean where he's like like it's a miss, Oh,

728
00:38:22,920 --> 00:38:25,799
Speaker 1: it's good a couple of hooks, but yeah, he's been

729
00:38:26,120 --> 00:38:27,759
Speaker 1: as steady as you could ask for. This will be

730
00:38:28,200 --> 00:38:32,160
Speaker 1: a pretty good test for him. Chopped up field, grabutdoors.

731
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:34,320
Speaker 1: You don't know what the wind's gonna be doing, and

732
00:38:34,400 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: then you start thinking because you know, really when he

733
00:38:37,120 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: the first one he missed, had a little bit to

734
00:38:39,040 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 1: do with the wind, right, you know, it was out

735
00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:44,439
Speaker 1: to drifted it outside on grass. So it's a little

736
00:38:44,480 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 1: bit of a different story. But uh, it is bubble bursting,

737
00:38:50,360 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: meaning he misses one. I'm just saying. I'm just saying,

738
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: is he just the bubble bursting because he continue only

739
00:38:55,800 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: heard me when in Houston I said he, I mean

740
00:38:58,600 --> 00:39:01,160
Speaker 1: he's due to miss one, right, it's gonna miss one. Yeah,

741
00:39:01,200 --> 00:39:04,320
Speaker 1: and he hasn't he's reset the bar. The bar was

742
00:39:05,640 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: way down here. There wasn't a bar in preseason. We

743
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:11,560
Speaker 1: didn't even know he was a candidate, honestly. Yeah, So

744
00:39:11,640 --> 00:39:17,400
Speaker 1: what's now, So that percentage is going to be in

745
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,480
Speaker 1: the ninety percent range. Yeah, I think he's leading the

746
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:23,400
Speaker 1: NFC and or he's one of the top and scoring.

747
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,719
Speaker 1: If I'm not mistaken, If you keep this up, you're

748
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 1: in the Pro Bowl. Yeah, Honestly, I mean you know

749
00:39:28,640 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 1: in the AFC, justice is gonna make it. I just

750
00:39:31,520 --> 00:39:34,279
Speaker 1: I don't see the guy failing. I really don't. Maybe

751
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,640
Speaker 1: that maybe I've totally jinxen him here, but I just

752
00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:40,280
Speaker 1: don't see it. But Mickey's right again looking at tape,

753
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: the field is chopped up. When you guys walk the

754
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:45,280
Speaker 1: field on Sunday, you're gonna see a chopped up field.

755
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:48,080
Speaker 1: You know, you're gonna no telling what the wind, the

756
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,040
Speaker 1: weather conditions are going to be. Anybody look at that,

757
00:39:50,080 --> 00:39:56,239
Speaker 1: And I know Mickey lost how many times. I mean,

758
00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:59,799
Speaker 1: last year, you guys played a driving rainstorm in that game.

759
00:40:00,200 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 1: So who knows the weather? That's all here is heading

760
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:06,320
Speaker 1: that way or towards that way. So yeah, I just

761
00:40:06,640 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: I feel kind of feel like that. You know, I

762
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: don't think it will for this guy. He's fifteen of sixteen.

763
00:40:12,800 --> 00:40:17,760
Speaker 1: It's nine thirty eight, So yeah, ninety three almost ninety

764
00:40:17,800 --> 00:40:23,960
Speaker 1: four percent. Uh, there's a couple guys that are, oh,

765
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 1: eight of eight. Oh, they they've messed this thing up.

766
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:31,839
Speaker 1: One guy's sixteen of seventeen and they've got him at

767
00:40:32,160 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 1: one thousand percent. Yeah, it's not really welcome to percent,

768
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,920
Speaker 1: is it? Welcome to the league? Is in the immortal

769
00:40:38,960 --> 00:40:43,120
Speaker 1: words of Bill Parcels. One wrong, all wrong. Yeah, that's

770
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 1: what Bill, you said. Tell me, I'd hand him somebod.

771
00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:47,239
Speaker 1: He goes, that's not right. I'm like what he goes,

772
00:40:47,400 --> 00:40:50,360
Speaker 1: one wrong, all wrong, and I'm like, okay, Actually that

773
00:40:50,520 --> 00:40:53,000
Speaker 1: was my thinking when I you know, back in the

774
00:40:53,120 --> 00:40:56,080
Speaker 1: day editing copy. If you make a fact mistake here,

775
00:40:56,200 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 1: how do I believe that? Yeah, you can't, but the fact. Sorry,

776
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:02,359
Speaker 1: this kid's kicking, but he's gonna miss one. I don't

777
00:41:02,400 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: think the bubble burst and I think he seems too

778
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,759
Speaker 1: strong mentally to go downhill. Well yeah, I mean we

779
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,640
Speaker 1: thought that about this redible risk that they took. It's

780
00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:19,399
Speaker 1: halfway through. It's it's paying off for him. Now. Yeah,

781
00:41:19,440 --> 00:41:22,239
Speaker 1: Bailey was a little different circumstance. He got hurt, got her.

782
00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:24,400
Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's mentally and he may say I'm

783
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,920
Speaker 1: back too soon. That's that's that's a fair for him.

784
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:29,520
Speaker 1: It was like a golf swing. It just kind of

785
00:41:29,560 --> 00:41:33,279
Speaker 1: went south for Tiger. Wood's not winning for five years,

786
00:41:33,560 --> 00:41:35,800
Speaker 1: yeah kind of. I mean, I think it was a

787
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 1: carry over into the off season. Yeah. And one of

788
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:43,840
Speaker 1: the reasons why they brought this guy in, um he

789
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:47,359
Speaker 1: could punt and he can kick everybody a break. They're

790
00:41:47,400 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: in training camp, and then I just don't think they

791
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 1: they they got scared of sort of the mental nature

792
00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 1: of Bailey in training camps because he didn't kick that right,

793
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: And they also saw this kid not miss Yeah, so

794
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,120
Speaker 1: it's another thing. And then I mean he malories and

795
00:42:05,200 --> 00:42:08,200
Speaker 1: said he didn't make everyone. I I remember a couple

796
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:12,560
Speaker 1: of ugly kicks, right, Sure he missed too, yeah, But

797
00:42:12,840 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: San Francisco he settled down and then it was like, yeah,

798
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 1: he's making everything, and you know, and and and part

799
00:42:19,320 --> 00:42:22,800
Speaker 1: of me thought in the game Sunday that at the

800
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: end when they kicked a fifty five yard or they

801
00:42:25,080 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: made it't need to do that, right, But I think

802
00:42:27,600 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 1: they thought, you know what, let's give me some confidence. Yeah,

803
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: let's send him out there. You know, let's see what

804
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:35,120
Speaker 1: he can do from fifty five in a game, all right,

805
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,640
Speaker 1: And he nailed it. Yeah, he has nailed it. Ten

806
00:42:37,680 --> 00:42:39,239
Speaker 1: games to go, a long way to go, but he

807
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: is playing extremely well. Right now, Let's take our final break.

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Speaker 1: do that all right. We only got a few minutes

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00:46:36,040 --> 00:46:38,840
Speaker 1: left in the show. If that happened. A lot of

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Speaker 1: a lot of redskin talk today. And yeah it's Harvey

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Speaker 1: Martin week. Yeah, there we go, Memorial Week. We might

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Speaker 1: have time to squeeze in a phone call at the end,

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Speaker 1: if you guys want to call in eight eight, five,

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Speaker 1: two two nine sevens the number I wanted to touch

888
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:55,080
Speaker 1: quickly on the Redskins defense because we saw this renaissance

889
00:46:55,120 --> 00:46:59,640
Speaker 1: from the Cowboys offense on Sunday against Jacksonville forty points.

890
00:47:00,800 --> 00:47:04,240
Speaker 1: Just nobody saw that coming. Now they face a Redskins defense,

891
00:47:04,360 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 1: guys that against the run just shut down the best

892
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:14,399
Speaker 1: running attack in the NFL through five weeks, Carolina eighty

893
00:47:14,440 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: one yards. And what's interesting to me about it, guys,

894
00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 1: is the read option that we've seen already head to head,

895
00:47:21,680 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: Cam Newton, Christian McCaffrey. Number one, you see the Cowboys

896
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 1: trying that more and actually continuing what we saw with

897
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:31,840
Speaker 1: Dak running more. And two, is this a bad matchup

898
00:47:31,880 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 1: given with the way the Redskins handled that this past Sunday. Yeah,

899
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, I went back and I did get to

900
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:41,280
Speaker 1: see the Carolina game. I didn't know if anybody else did. Yes, Okay,

901
00:47:41,400 --> 00:47:44,960
Speaker 1: so yeah, they it was I don't think that the

902
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:50,000
Speaker 1: Carolina was totally committed to doing it. Well who was, Yeah,

903
00:47:50,040 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 1: I was running the ball for him. Yeahcaffrey. McCaffrey was

904
00:47:52,880 --> 00:47:54,759
Speaker 1: trying to run it. But they I don't think they.

905
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,759
Speaker 1: It looked like to me they came into the game

906
00:47:58,440 --> 00:48:01,600
Speaker 1: trying to throw the ball all initially and they and

907
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: they got but they got behind in this game. They

908
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 1: got they got, Yeah, they got they got behind, and

909
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:09,400
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we talk about, oh, if you

910
00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:12,759
Speaker 1: can make somebody one dimensional, you know in Carolina, when

911
00:48:12,840 --> 00:48:17,879
Speaker 1: Carolina can't play either tied or with the lead, Cam

912
00:48:18,000 --> 00:48:21,200
Speaker 1: Newton's really not interested in running all that much, you know.

913
00:48:21,560 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: I mean, I mean they've got to have that. They've

914
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:25,880
Speaker 1: got to have that as part of their their package.

915
00:48:25,960 --> 00:48:27,600
Speaker 1: When they get behind, then all of a sudden, it

916
00:48:27,680 --> 00:48:30,480
Speaker 1: turns into, Okay, we got to throw the ball. I

917
00:48:30,560 --> 00:48:34,360
Speaker 1: think Dallas will be more committed to trying to do

918
00:48:34,600 --> 00:48:37,640
Speaker 1: some of the stuff, the read options stuff, the RPO stuff.

919
00:48:39,360 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 1: It's what makes it difficult is when we talk about

920
00:48:42,840 --> 00:48:45,960
Speaker 1: this what I mentioned, you know, with Jonathan Allen, they

921
00:48:46,000 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 1: made a big time commitment seventeenth overall pick. I had

922
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:51,000
Speaker 1: him as a top five guy, you know, in the

923
00:48:51,120 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 1: in the draft coming out when he did in twenty seventeen.

924
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: Had some shoulder issues that maybe dropped him down the

925
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,160
Speaker 1: board a little bit to you know, but he played

926
00:48:59,239 --> 00:49:03,240
Speaker 1: five games last Yeah, this Dron Payne, I mean, Preston Smith,

927
00:49:04,120 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: Ryan Kerrigan. They've got guys, they've they've got power. But

928
00:49:08,080 --> 00:49:11,279
Speaker 1: you got Preston Smith and you got Kerrigan, and what

929
00:49:11,400 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 1: those guys can do is they run and they you know,

930
00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:16,080
Speaker 1: but you could take advantage of them a little bit

931
00:49:16,200 --> 00:49:18,560
Speaker 1: with the Billy because they're gonna chase. I mean, they're

932
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna chase. So if you do get them chasing the

933
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 1: ball inside, well maybe you can bounce it. Because the

934
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 1: way the Redskins like to play it is when they

935
00:49:26,760 --> 00:49:29,960
Speaker 1: when they chase inside, they'll have those linebackers scrape over

936
00:49:30,080 --> 00:49:32,880
Speaker 1: the top. So that's where if you can, you know

937
00:49:33,000 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: you can. And that's where we saw the Cowboys have

938
00:49:34,880 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 1: some success last week. Is as fast as Jacksonville's linebackers were,

939
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: they were able to get bodies up onto those guys

940
00:49:44,040 --> 00:49:46,200
Speaker 1: and then make it difficult for them to have to

941
00:49:46,320 --> 00:49:49,400
Speaker 1: make a play. So I don't really know how committed

942
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,279
Speaker 1: Carolina was to run in the football because I felt

943
00:49:52,320 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: like they got behind in that game and then all

944
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:57,399
Speaker 1: of a sudden it became uh, you know, Green Bay

945
00:49:57,480 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: and I watched that game. That didn't even they didn't

946
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: even try and run. The Saints just the Saints just

947
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 1: demoralized him the way you know that Drew Brees was

948
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,760
Speaker 1: throwing the football. So they haven't a lot one hundred

949
00:50:06,840 --> 00:50:09,280
Speaker 1: yard rushing, right, But maybe it's a little misleading. McCaffrey

950
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:12,640
Speaker 1: had twenty yards on eight carries he had and he

951
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,319
Speaker 1: ripped off two like eight yard runs on the first

952
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:17,640
Speaker 1: drive of the game, and after that had nothing. I

953
00:50:17,760 --> 00:50:20,880
Speaker 1: just noticed when they did run the RPO, they were

954
00:50:20,920 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 1: crashing in on him. Yeah, and it makes me think,

955
00:50:23,200 --> 00:50:24,799
Speaker 1: And now I don't know how much the Cowboys will

956
00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,680
Speaker 1: use that, but they're going to commit bodies to Zeke

957
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:29,600
Speaker 1: and try to stop him. Yeah, they know, they know

958
00:50:29,800 --> 00:50:34,759
Speaker 1: that's their survival defensively depends on that. Now, this is

959
00:50:34,840 --> 00:50:38,560
Speaker 1: a secondary that has Josh Norman and they have you know,

960
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 1: they have a young guy named Quinton Dunbar who you

961
00:50:41,680 --> 00:50:43,680
Speaker 1: could read about today. He's one of my under the

962
00:50:43,800 --> 00:50:46,400
Speaker 1: radar guys. He gets a lot of play because people

963
00:50:46,520 --> 00:50:49,399
Speaker 1: don't want to attack Josh Norman. But I don't think

964
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Speaker 1: I would go away. Like last week we talked about

965
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,719
Speaker 1: Jalen Ramsey and what he was able to do. I

966
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:58,080
Speaker 1: don't think you go away from Josh Norman. I really don't.

967
00:50:58,200 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: I think Josh Norman, especially now, they're playing just a

968
00:51:02,080 --> 00:51:05,279
Speaker 1: ton of zone coverage here, So okay, how do you

969
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: find ways? And he's gonna sit on one side of

970
00:51:08,120 --> 00:51:10,759
Speaker 1: the field, He's not going to move around and you know,

971
00:51:11,000 --> 00:51:12,960
Speaker 1: and travel with guys. I mean, I haven't seen that

972
00:51:13,120 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 1: so far. I don't expect him to travel with Cole Beasley.

973
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:18,800
Speaker 1: And then that means that Fabian Moreau, who they drafted

974
00:51:18,840 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: in the in the third round in the seventeen draft

975
00:51:21,280 --> 00:51:25,399
Speaker 1: from UCLA, is your nickel player. So I just feel

976
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:28,600
Speaker 1: like though that I would not be afraid to go

977
00:51:28,880 --> 00:51:31,560
Speaker 1: after Josh Norman. I think Josh Norman not say his

978
00:51:31,680 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: better days are gone, but I don't think Josh Norman

979
00:51:35,520 --> 00:51:37,759
Speaker 1: is this oh my god, we got to stay away

980
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:39,960
Speaker 1: from you guy. I think that, you know, I think

981
00:51:40,000 --> 00:51:42,480
Speaker 1: there's some things you can do to Josh Norman that

982
00:51:42,640 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: will that can you could take advantage of him. And

983
00:51:44,960 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: I think you could take advantage of this Quinton Dunbar

984
00:51:47,440 --> 00:51:50,320
Speaker 1: with some double move stuff. He's really anxious about, you know,

985
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:53,160
Speaker 1: getting in there. But to the Cowboys game plan, yeah,

986
00:51:53,680 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: Zeke read option, RPO, waggles, boots, throw the ball down

987
00:51:58,719 --> 00:52:00,960
Speaker 1: the field to Michael Gallup if you can, because I

988
00:52:01,360 --> 00:52:06,480
Speaker 1: see those are opportunities down there. Two points. They got

989
00:52:06,680 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: off to a the Redskins got off to a seventeen

990
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:14,719
Speaker 1: to nothing. That was huge. Carolina only ran the ball

991
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:20,400
Speaker 1: eighteen times. Yeah, and their best run was an end

992
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 1: around by more is that Dj moore jo had an

993
00:52:24,520 --> 00:52:29,160
Speaker 1: eighteen yard run. Cam ran the ball nine times for

994
00:52:29,480 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: forty three yards. That's almost five yards a carry a

995
00:52:32,680 --> 00:52:34,120
Speaker 1: lot of us. He just had to keep it because

996
00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:36,799
Speaker 1: they weren't gonna let mccaffre kay, So I'll take that. Yeah,

997
00:52:36,920 --> 00:52:39,720
Speaker 1: they only ran it eighteen times ahead eighty one yards.

998
00:52:41,080 --> 00:52:44,719
Speaker 1: So and then the Saints didn't try to run it.

999
00:52:44,760 --> 00:52:47,400
Speaker 1: They didn't need to run against him, right, they just passed.

1000
00:52:48,040 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 1: Uh second point. I saw headlines about Josh Norman's back

1001
00:52:53,480 --> 00:52:56,480
Speaker 1: had an interception forced to fumble, Right, I could have

1002
00:52:56,560 --> 00:53:00,880
Speaker 1: intercepted that ball. Yeah, Cam new And was hit when

1003
00:53:00,960 --> 00:53:02,920
Speaker 1: he threw the ball and it fluttered up like a

1004
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: duck and it went right to him. And and the

1005
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,280
Speaker 1: darn thing about it was if Cam Newton's arm didn't

1006
00:53:09,320 --> 00:53:12,840
Speaker 1: get hit, his guy was behind him, they were behind touchdown.

1007
00:53:12,920 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 1: YEA buying this. You know he's starting to talk a

1008
00:53:16,640 --> 00:53:19,680
Speaker 1: better game. He played so bad against New Orleans they

1009
00:53:19,719 --> 00:53:22,759
Speaker 1: benched him. Well, he apparently he had a locker room

1010
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,800
Speaker 1: thing at halftime with Gruden. Yeah, Well that that was

1011
00:53:26,120 --> 00:53:29,040
Speaker 1: that led to the Benching go sit down. He did

1012
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,719
Speaker 1: give up two touchdown passes and they so yeah, you know,

1013
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: I mean, they've got some guys up front, but I

1014
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:39,040
Speaker 1: think you know, it's another three four defense. Yeah, those

1015
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 1: defensive ends played. Yeah, gotta block him. You gotta make

1016
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,719
Speaker 1: sure these guys are you know. I mean, the thing

1017
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:48,240
Speaker 1: that I always am concerned about is the inside power.

1018
00:53:48,520 --> 00:53:50,920
Speaker 1: You know, when you got Looney and you got Connor.

1019
00:53:51,040 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 1: But you know, so far, so good, you guys have

1020
00:53:53,680 --> 00:53:58,000
Speaker 1: have held up well. I think you're gonna have to continue.

1021
00:53:58,280 --> 00:54:00,160
Speaker 1: Ryan Carrigan is one of those guys. I think he's

1022
00:54:00,160 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 1: one of the most underappreciated players in the league because

1023
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,600
Speaker 1: he's a he's a He is always going after the ball.

1024
00:54:08,680 --> 00:54:12,160
Speaker 1: He's always trying to make plays. He hustles. His effort

1025
00:54:12,280 --> 00:54:14,839
Speaker 1: is tremendous. He plays on a football team that's been

1026
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:17,759
Speaker 1: up and down, so he hasn't got the credit. But

1027
00:54:17,920 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: you have to. You have to make sure that you

1028
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:23,160
Speaker 1: finish him off as a blocker. You can't let him

1029
00:54:23,239 --> 00:54:25,799
Speaker 1: kind of hang around, hang around if they're moving around

1030
00:54:25,840 --> 00:54:27,799
Speaker 1: in the pocket. He's one of those guys that get

1031
00:54:27,880 --> 00:54:31,040
Speaker 1: sacks if there's four seconds in the pocket because he's

1032
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:33,160
Speaker 1: just gonna keep going and going and going, and then

1033
00:54:33,200 --> 00:54:36,480
Speaker 1: the tackle is gonna lose leverage. And then the next thing,

1034
00:54:36,480 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: you know, he's got a sack. So you got to

1035
00:54:38,520 --> 00:54:42,399
Speaker 1: make And Preston Smith, you know, is a from Mississippi State.

1036
00:54:42,560 --> 00:54:45,440
Speaker 1: You know, he's another a good player's second round pick

1037
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:48,440
Speaker 1: in the twenty fifteen draft. I'll tell you what, I

1038
00:54:48,680 --> 00:54:50,919
Speaker 1: really like him a lot too. They've got a couple

1039
00:54:50,920 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 1: of goes good. Uh, those good outside linebackers with Smith

1040
00:54:54,520 --> 00:54:57,359
Speaker 1: and then and then with Kerrigan and and then those

1041
00:54:57,400 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: big inside guys. So it's a good defense up front

1042
00:55:00,520 --> 00:55:03,680
Speaker 1: that way. Person. Smith given him trouble before. Yeah, yeah,

1043
00:55:04,200 --> 00:55:08,400
Speaker 1: he's range yeah, long rangey guy. All right, let's go

1044
00:55:08,480 --> 00:55:10,839
Speaker 1: to redskin country before we get out of here. Oh,

1045
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: John in Maryland, they finished finish us up for us

1046
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 1: great when with the against the Jaguars. Loved what back

1047
00:55:20,840 --> 00:55:24,840
Speaker 1: Tommy did with that offense. But I'm like super excited

1048
00:55:24,880 --> 00:55:31,880
Speaker 1: about this defense. Um, why what? What what makes you

1049
00:55:32,000 --> 00:55:36,919
Speaker 1: say about the defense? Sir? Yea, the secondary, the linebackers,

1050
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:41,279
Speaker 1: but especially this line. Okay, um, And that's where my

1051
00:55:41,400 --> 00:55:43,719
Speaker 1: question is. We know what dew and David Irvan is

1052
00:55:43,760 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: gonna bring if they stay healthy at the end of

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Speaker 1: the year. But if Doors Armstrong and Randy Gregory, if

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Speaker 1: they progressed that they have been gained by game and

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Speaker 1: along with Moe Collins, do you think this is a

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Speaker 1: defense by chemical run like the Giants did and h

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Speaker 1: and the Broncos did in years ago? All right, super

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Speaker 1: Bowl run? Yeah, all right, yeah yeah, I feel like

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Speaker 1: I feel I just I hadn't seen the defensive line

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Speaker 1: like the um ever with the Cowboys, and I'm I'm

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Speaker 1: going back to like Charles Hilly days and when we

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Speaker 1: had Charles Hilly and I don't know if we had

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Speaker 1: had me, I'm leash went after the quarterback. But I

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Speaker 1: see this Jean line. I see a line that everyone

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Speaker 1: can go after the quarterback, and uh, you know, I

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Speaker 1: hope that's the chase by the end of the year.

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Speaker 1: You know what he said, And thank you When you

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Speaker 1: guys were it was earlier, I don't know how we

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Speaker 1: and I was thinking, you remember when Jerry Jones said

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Speaker 1: this might be the most talented defensive front we've had,

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Speaker 1: And I don't know if he meant in his time

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Speaker 1: or whatever. And everybody was like ah ha ha ha,

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Speaker 1: that's Jerry over talking again and exaggerating and you know,

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Speaker 1: like he had amnesia or something. Well, you know what,

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Speaker 1: get what we saw last week. If it's just a

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Speaker 1: glimpse of having malite Collins out there, David Irving out there,

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Speaker 1: Gregory Lawrence, uh and the caller even mentioned Armstrong and

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Speaker 1: Taco's playing better. Yeah, you know that. Now they've got

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Speaker 1: to make sure they're good against the run, that they

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Speaker 1: don't get this thing in their eye in their head

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Speaker 1: that oh we the hot boys and all we gotta

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Speaker 1: do is go get sacks. Yeah, you better stop the

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Speaker 1: run first, which Marinelli reminds them of every day. But

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Speaker 1: if they do that, they got the ability to put

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Speaker 1: pressure on the quarterback from across the board. If you

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Speaker 1: had an offense that could score consistently, like they'd be

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Speaker 1: even better. Yeah. Like if you had to do like

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Speaker 1: what the Redskins did the other day and you get

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Speaker 1: up seventeen nothing, you know, well you saw it off

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Speaker 1: aren't like the last week the Jacksonville. Yeah, all of

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Speaker 1: a sudden, that defense becomes a lot better when when

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Speaker 1: you all of a sudden you're playing behind the lead.

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Speaker 1: Those sacks started piling up and half absolutely deposition the sacks. Sean,

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Speaker 1: thanks for the call. We gotta get out of here, guys.

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Speaker 1: Good show, good discussion. Bill. We'll be back tomorrow and

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Speaker 1: we'll continue breaking down Cowboys. Retch Hall him to finish

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Speaker 1: that showed in time to join us. He's a busy,

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Speaker 1: busy man, and so is Kid Garrison. Thanks for producing.

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