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Speaker 1: But it looks like Brian Flores has already made it

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Speaker 1: plain that even if you do hire me as your

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Speaker 1: head coach, this lawsuit will proceed. Yeah, and it is

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Speaker 1: courageous because it plops him right in the middle of everything.

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Speaker 1: There's no dodging it and there's no sitting on the

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Speaker 1: sidelines waiting UM so to speak, no pun intended. UM,

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Speaker 1: it's it's it is courageous, no question about it. A

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Speaker 1: guy who had two winning seasons two last year and

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Speaker 1: the year before winning seasons as a head coach, UM

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Speaker 1: getting fired for one and then being used as a

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Speaker 1: you know, checkmark in a box uh the others you

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Speaker 1: know allegedly UM after Yeah, and it's hard to look

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Speaker 1: around and not see the disparity in the hiring UM

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Speaker 1: and the statistics and what they say. UM. So it'll

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Speaker 1: be it's gonna be interesting to watch this. It's going

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Speaker 1: to continue. It'll be interesting to see how his UM

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Speaker 1: coaching career unfolds from this point out. And it's something

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Speaker 1: that we're all gonna have to keep track of and

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Speaker 1: watch for. I I I hope that it does. I

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Speaker 1: hope it does foster some some productive change. And beyond

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Speaker 1: what Brian Flores and his attorneys do going forward, it

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Speaker 1: will also be interesting to see how the League handles

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Speaker 1: is going forward. They have two choices here, essentially, the

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Speaker 1: litigation in the courts or to make some real change.

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Speaker 1: We'll see what Andrew Brandt thinks the league will do.

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Speaker 1: When we talk to him. Next here on One Bills Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Kalota Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you.

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Speaker 1: We're waiting to be joined by Sports Businesses sports analyst

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Speaker 1: Andrew Brandt, former front office executive of the Green Bay Packers,

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Speaker 1: to kind of address some of what's going down here.

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Speaker 1: There's other stuff coming down around the league as other

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Speaker 1: reports are surfacing. We'll try to make heads or tails

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Speaker 1: of those in the coming hours here of our program.

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Speaker 1: But right now we are going to turn to the

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Speaker 1: host of the Business of Sports podcast, the sports business

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Speaker 1: columnists for Sports Illustrated, former Packers front office exec and

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Speaker 1: current executive director of the Morad Center at Villanova. It

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Speaker 1: is one Andrew brand joining us on the line. Andrew,

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Speaker 1: how are you? Thanks for giving us some time, Hey guy,

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Speaker 1: It's always good to be with you guys. So let's

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Speaker 1: begin here. Andrew, you saw what the lawsuit entailed, all

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Speaker 1: fifty eight pages, I'm sure, and you've seen the NFL

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Speaker 1: statement in response, as they said they will defend these claims,

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Speaker 1: which they believe are without merit. My first question to

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Speaker 1: you is does that signal to you that the NFL

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Speaker 1: is going to go the litigation route with respect to

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Speaker 1: these allegations. I think so. I mean again, litigation is

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Speaker 1: a much slower calendar than the NFL calendar. So we'll

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Speaker 1: see where it goes in terms of timing and when

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Speaker 1: we get to deposition and discovery and what happens before then.

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Speaker 1: I think the interesting thing to know about the complaint

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Speaker 1: is that it's not so much about personal damages for

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores. He really wants to be a champion for change,

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Speaker 1: for systematic change. There's a lot in there about asking

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Speaker 1: for things like a black general manager or coach, sitting

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Speaker 1: in interviews, like detailed records of these interviews with Rooney

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Speaker 1: Roll candidates, more accountability for what teams are doing in

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Speaker 1: the hiring process, not only for head coach but all

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Speaker 1: the way down. So we'll see this has a long

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Speaker 1: way to go. And the other thing I want to

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Speaker 1: mention right off the bat is this is a class

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Speaker 1: action lawsuit, so it's an invitation to others to join in,

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Speaker 1: and it's an open invitation for coaches, GMS, front office,

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Speaker 1: other coaches, front people working in like PR, marketing, finance

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Speaker 1: who feel aggrieved by their teams or the NFL can

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Speaker 1: jump into this as well. What is the what about

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Speaker 1: the other allegations he made about tanking and the fact

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Speaker 1: that he was perhaps rewarded for losing games instead of

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Speaker 1: trying to win games, and how far reaching is that?

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Speaker 1: We've got other and you know it was just reported

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Speaker 1: we just during the break that Hugh Jackson has also

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Speaker 1: acknowledged that it was the same story for him in

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Speaker 1: Cleveland in sixteen and seventeen where he was given bonuses

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Speaker 1: for not winning. All of this stuff has been come out.

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Speaker 1: What are the far reaching implications of things like that

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Speaker 1: that are I guess at this point in ciliary to

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Speaker 1: the racial aspects of this, Yeah, I mean that's those

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Speaker 1: are the most salacious allegations. The ones against the Dolphins.

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Speaker 1: We can talk about the sham interview, allegations against the

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Speaker 1: bill I'm sorry, against the Giants and the Broncos, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, listen, like any lawsuit, the key is evidence.

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Speaker 1: Is this more than he said? He said about the

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Speaker 1: owner offering him one hundred thousand dollars bonus for a

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Speaker 1: loss for each loss towards getting that hydraft pick. That

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Speaker 1: violates all kinds of league, issues with integrity, league issues

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Speaker 1: with competitive balanced league, issues with fairness, and as you mentioned,

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Speaker 1: with sports betting now a part of the league, that's

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Speaker 1: going to have a real impact on how we feel

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Speaker 1: these indefens And it may get the attention of the

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Speaker 1: FATS because again, this is match fixing. So we'll see

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Speaker 1: about that one. But I would hope Lauren Flores and

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Speaker 1: his lawyers have more than I see someone, you know

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Speaker 1: what they're saying in the complaint, which is someone to

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Speaker 1: corroborate that. Yeah, the one thing that he does not

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Speaker 1: need corroboration for are the statistics that point to a

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Speaker 1: lack of progress on the minority hiring front in terms

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Speaker 1: of head coaches front office positions. Despite the Rooney Rule

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Speaker 1: being in place for twenty years and despite it being

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Speaker 1: tweaked and seemingly enhanced. What kind of action should or

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Speaker 1: could that spur on the part of the NFL do

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Speaker 1: you think, if anything at all? You know, the problem

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Speaker 1: with the Rooney Rule has always been this, it's when

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Speaker 1: coaches lock in on a certain candidate. I think this

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Speaker 1: happened with the Raiders and John Gruden a few years ago.

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Speaker 1: May have just happened with the Raiders and Josh McDaniels.

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Speaker 1: It may have happened with Urban Meyer and the Jags.

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Speaker 1: I know it happened in a roll reversal way with

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Speaker 1: Bill Polian hiring Tony Dungee a few years ago or

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Speaker 1: a long time ago when he was fired by Tampa.

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Speaker 1: So what do you do, right? What do you do

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Speaker 1: when a co owner is locking in on a candidate

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Speaker 1: and any other person black, brown, green, white is going

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Speaker 1: to be a sham interview? I don't know how you

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Speaker 1: answer that. Um, I don't know if sanctions right sanctions.

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Speaker 1: If someone does lock in on someone and doesn't have

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Speaker 1: meaningful interviews with minorities, you sanction them. And maybe it's

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Speaker 1: more than fines, and maybe it's draft picks. But the

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Speaker 1: big issue is is is optical The NFL has tried,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the in the end zones and on

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Speaker 1: the helmets and racism, and this is a slap at

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Speaker 1: those messages, basically encouraging anyone who's been skeptical about those

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Speaker 1: messages to have reason to be What is how in

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Speaker 1: your opinion? I know that you're you're more about the

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Speaker 1: legalities of everything, but you also, you know, ran a

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Speaker 1: club for ten years. Yeah, should the league, or could

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Speaker 1: the league if if these allegations are true about you know,

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Speaker 1: the integrity of the game and paying to lose and

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Speaker 1: tanking and all of that stuff about and going outside

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Speaker 1: the rules of the league, established rules of the league

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Speaker 1: of integrity, you know, to do that. The Denver Broncos

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Speaker 1: are up for sale right now. I mean they're gonna

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Speaker 1: go up for sale and they're gonna be a new

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Speaker 1: ownership group there. Immediately does the league say, listen, if

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Speaker 1: that's the case, what are there what's the leverage they

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Speaker 1: have on saying forcing them to sell those teams to

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Speaker 1: get out of the league, completely expelling them all, you know,

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Speaker 1: Pete Rose abandon for life kind of integrity of the

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Speaker 1: game kind of thing. I mean, what are the what

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Speaker 1: are the parameters of public How far can they go

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Speaker 1: punishment wise? You know, it's a great question. Like what happened,

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Speaker 1: Like we saw Donald Sterling get kicked out of the

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Speaker 1: NBA for comments secretly recorded, not even using the N word,

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Speaker 1: but he said some bad things. We've seen some bad

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Speaker 1: things happen in Washington that just announced a new name today.

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Speaker 1: There was no sanction, I mean there was on the

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Speaker 1: there was a ten million dollars, fine, but never a

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Speaker 1: thought of ousting Daniel Snyder. Jerry Richardson. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: this seems like, what about Yeah, Jerry Richardson's an example,

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Speaker 1: So what about if we've got proof? And that's always

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Speaker 1: what I come back to, if we've got a proof

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Speaker 1: of a bribe to lose. That's a big one on

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Speaker 1: the Broncos issues. I don't know that's going to rise

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Speaker 1: to any level of serious section because here's what's gonna

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Speaker 1: happen with the Broncos and the Giants. They're gonna say,

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Speaker 1: we hired Vic Fangio for these ten reasons, none of

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Speaker 1: which involved race, and the Giants are gonna say we

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Speaker 1: hired Brian Dable for these ten reasons, none of which

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Speaker 1: involved race. And then what is a judge going to

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Speaker 1: do with that? Okay, you know, like, unless they're smoking guns,

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Speaker 1: what do you do? Yeah, I mean Andrew the I

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Speaker 1: mean Brian Flores and his attorneys claim the text exchange

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Speaker 1: with Bill Belichick is their smoking gun because of the

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Speaker 1: timing element of those texts in which Bill Belichick, who

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Speaker 1: obviously has a history with the Giants organization and probably

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Speaker 1: has ties and also was probably in contact with the

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Speaker 1: giants for recommendation purposes. For both Flores and Dable, having

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Speaker 1: had both of them on his previous staffs, had potentially

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Speaker 1: intimate knowledge as to which direction the Giants were headed,

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Speaker 1: according to the allegations by Flores. So the timing of

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Speaker 1: those texts, could they be critical? Is my question to

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Speaker 1: you to the validity of the claims that Flores is levying. Here.

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Speaker 1: You know that's evidence, and that was such good evidence

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Speaker 1: they thought they put it actually in the complaint. Now,

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Speaker 1: I'm not surprised they don't have real evidence of one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars offers in the complaint because maybe they're

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Speaker 1: holding that for another bombshell, But that was evidence in

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Speaker 1: the complaint, and you're right, it's hard to argue with

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Speaker 1: that evidence. Right because Bill Belichick is telling what he

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Speaker 1: thinks to be Brian Dable that you got the job

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Speaker 1: before they interview Brian Flores, do they gets smoking gun evidence?

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Speaker 1: I don't know if it means rises quite to that level,

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Speaker 1: but it's it's certainly enhance his Well, that's up for

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Speaker 1: the league to decide. And is it proving one interview

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Speaker 1: was done surperfluously or as a sham? To call it

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Speaker 1: that enough to indict the entire system, except that every other,

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Speaker 1: every other interview looks the exact same as that one.

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Speaker 1: Did you know what I'm saying. I mean, it proves one.

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Speaker 1: Does it prove a system? And I think all of

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Speaker 1: us were kind of like, it kind of does, but

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Speaker 1: it does it. It's a good question where their white

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Speaker 1: candidates after that text too? Right? Right? Was it more

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Speaker 1: than Brian Flores that was having a sham interview when,

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Speaker 1: according to Bill Belichickers is in the know as any

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Speaker 1: coach in the league is saying it's over. They got dayball.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think there are other interviews besides flora

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Speaker 1: Is coming up after that. Well there were. But Dan Quinn,

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Speaker 1: who was one of those three finalists, if you remember,

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Speaker 1: removed himself from consideration. So did he get the same

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Speaker 1: notice that Brian Flores inadvertently received? And yeah, I mean

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Speaker 1: because he never went forward and I got a check.

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure if he got the second interviewer if

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Speaker 1: he removed himself from consideration prior to that happening. The

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Speaker 1: last one I've got for you, Andrew is Brian Flores

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Speaker 1: said on one of his morning interviews today that he

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Speaker 1: contacted the Saints and the Texans, two head coaching jobs

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Speaker 1: that he is still a candidate for presently called them,

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Speaker 1: told him he's still interested in coaching, but that if

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Speaker 1: he is hired by those two organizations, his current lawsuit

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Speaker 1: will proceed. To me, that kind of knocks him out

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Speaker 1: of the running pretty quickly. By being that open and honest.

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Speaker 1: Do you think Brian Flores will ever coach in the

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Speaker 1: NFL again based on these allegations? You know, it's interesting

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Speaker 1: because as you're saying that, I'm thinking, Wow, the Saints

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Speaker 1: or Texans can really make a statement here. Thing that

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Speaker 1: everyone's saying about he's killing his coaching career by doing this, Well,

647
00:41:06,040 --> 00:41:08,640
Speaker 1: here's a chance to really make a statement like people

648
00:41:08,640 --> 00:41:11,200
Speaker 1: who stand up for racism, stand up for equal rights,

649
00:41:11,200 --> 00:41:14,279
Speaker 1: stand up against civil rights being violated. We're taking them

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Speaker 1: on like that. I guess could happen. My sense is

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00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,879
Speaker 1: if it doesn't happen one of these two teams, he

652
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:25,400
Speaker 1: has terminated his chances of coaching in the NFL. And

653
00:41:25,520 --> 00:41:28,359
Speaker 1: what I teach in sports law, a lot of pioneers,

654
00:41:28,440 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: like a Kurt Flood, like an Ending Messersmith, like a

655
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:36,160
Speaker 1: John Mackey, they put themselves ahead of the behind the

656
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,800
Speaker 1: greater good. They sacrifice their personal careers for those coming

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00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,960
Speaker 1: up behind him, and I'm putting floors in that category.

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Speaker 1: He's going this is going to be a career killer,

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Speaker 1: I would think. And if it is, it's all in

660
00:41:50,120 --> 00:41:54,279
Speaker 1: the name of promoting change in the NFL, change and

661
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,640
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule, change in hiring practices, change in how

662
00:41:57,800 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: minorities are treated in the coaching rings. And last one

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Speaker 1: I've got for you, what is the timeline for some

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Speaker 1: resolution to any of these issues that Brian Flores has alleged.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's a slower timeline than the NFL calendar.

666
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,359
Speaker 1: At this point, the NFL has to answer and they

667
00:42:17,440 --> 00:42:20,160
Speaker 1: probably have I don't know, fifteen twenty days to answer,

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Speaker 1: and then the corporal set updates for meetings and dates

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Speaker 1: for prehearing rituals and maybe discovery. Now, one thing on discovery,

670
00:42:29,120 --> 00:42:31,279
Speaker 1: this is what people say, Well, the NFL doesn't want

671
00:42:31,280 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 1: these things out in the public discovery. It's going to

672
00:42:33,200 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 1: scare them death. They're going to settle. Well, they said

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Speaker 1: that about the Saint Louis litigation, and they said that

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Speaker 1: about the concussion litigation, and they said that about the

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Speaker 1: Gruden litigation. And we still haven't seen discovery of owners

676
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:48,239
Speaker 1: emails or communications or money or whatever it is. So

677
00:42:48,840 --> 00:42:50,840
Speaker 1: whoever the lawyers are for the NFL, they seem to

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Speaker 1: avoid discovery pretty well. Andrew, thanks for the insight and

679
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:58,799
Speaker 1: the time. As always, we appreciate it. I'm sure this

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Speaker 1: is something you'll have your ear to the ground on

681
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:03,640
Speaker 1: for the next several months. Here. Thank you, Andrew, You

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00:43:03,719 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 1: got it, guys. Always a pleasure. All right. That's Andrew

683
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:10,359
Speaker 1: Brandt joining us here on One Bill's Live, the host

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Speaker 1: of the Business of Sports podcast, sports business columnist for

685
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:19,759
Speaker 1: Sports Illustrated and former Packers front office executive. And it's

686
00:43:19,800 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 1: something that is probably going to take a bit of time.

687
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's going to lose much luster

688
00:43:25,080 --> 00:43:29,080
Speaker 1: with the size of the allegations that Brian Flores has

689
00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:32,920
Speaker 1: levied against three NFL clubs and the league at large.

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00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:34,600
Speaker 1: We do have to take a break here, but Steve

691
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,200
Speaker 1: and I will be back with more, including what has

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Speaker 1: just come down with respect to Hugh Jackson, who apparently

693
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Speaker 1: has similar allegations to those that Brian Flores levied against

694
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Speaker 1: the Dolphins organization. He claims that Stephen Ross offered him

695
00:43:50,520 --> 00:43:53,719
Speaker 1: a hundred thousand dollars for every game he lost to

696
00:43:53,960 --> 00:43:58,000
Speaker 1: try to improve their draft position. Hugh Jackson, former Brown's

697
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: head coach, is alleging the same kind of thing while

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Speaker 1: he was with the Browns. We'll get into that when

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Speaker 1: we return here on One Bills Live presented by Kaloid

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Speaker 1: of Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back to One

701
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:28,879
Speaker 1: Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Jasker with you, and as

702
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 1: Steve mentioned, the allegations that Brian Flores levied against the

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Speaker 1: Dolphins was that owner Stephen Ross offered him a hundred

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars per loss. Purposely lose games and he would

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Speaker 1: pay him a hundred thousand dollars. That is his allegation

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Speaker 1: against the Dolphins. Now, Hugh Jackson, apparently on Twitter suggested

707
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Speaker 1: that team owner of the Browns, Jimmy Haslam, paid him

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Speaker 1: to lose while he was head coach of the Browns,

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Speaker 1: and Jackson basically suggested in an exchange with someone else

710
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 1: on Twitter yesterday that Haslam paid him to lose when

711
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,719
Speaker 1: the person that tweeted at him joked that Jackson would

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00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,160
Speaker 1: be on the Forbes list if he had been paid

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Speaker 1: for every loss the team suffered during his tenure. Jackson

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00:45:26,040 --> 00:45:29,480
Speaker 1: responded by saying, well, Jimmy HASLM was happy while we

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Speaker 1: kept losing. And when the guy joked and basically said, well,

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Speaker 1: Jimmy wasn't offering one hundred thousand per loss or Hugh

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Speaker 1: would be on the Forbes list. Hugh Jackson replied to

718
00:45:41,760 --> 00:45:47,919
Speaker 1: that by saying, trust me, it was a good number. Yeah,

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00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:54,719
Speaker 1: that's a problem, I would think. So, Yeah, I think

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00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:58,120
Speaker 1: that's a big problem. I think I think that's one thing.

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Speaker 1: And we'll get into this with our mind. You've got

722
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Speaker 1: to do something about a few of the NFL because

723
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:09,640
Speaker 1: it you know, nobody'll be working if if this turns bad.

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? The very fabric of the league,

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00:46:13,000 --> 00:46:16,399
Speaker 1: as I think, affected by the integrity of guys trying

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00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,359
Speaker 1: to win games. Yeah, I mean, what do we hear

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00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:23,200
Speaker 1: Coach Gudell talk about with respect to the NFL more

728
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: than anything else, More than anything else, the phrase that

729
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,719
Speaker 1: comes out of his mouth an awful lot is protecting

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Speaker 1: the integrity of the game. This allegation by Brian Flores

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Speaker 1: that Stephen Ross offered him one hundred thousand dollars per

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Speaker 1: loss in twenty nineteen, which he claims he refused because

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Speaker 1: that's not what he's about. That's what he said in

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Speaker 1: morning interviews on national television today. That attacks the very

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Speaker 1: integrity of the game. You've got an owner allegedly offering

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Speaker 1: money to his head coach to find a way to

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00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: throw games to improve the team's draft position. And now

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Speaker 1: you've got Hugh Jackson, at least in a veiled way,

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00:47:07,680 --> 00:47:11,600
Speaker 1: alleging that Brown's owner Jimmy Haslum did the same thing

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Speaker 1: with him when he went one and thirty one over

741
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:18,359
Speaker 1: a stretch of two years and says, trust me, the

742
00:47:18,480 --> 00:47:25,200
Speaker 1: number was good. I'll say this too. That's that's tough, man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I have a hard time getting there because think I have.

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00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: All I can think about is those guys on those

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00:47:30,560 --> 00:47:37,880
Speaker 1: teams now looking back and thinking that the guy, the

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00:47:37,920 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: head coach, who they were, you know, playing for fighting

747
00:47:41,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: for their body on the line, for putting their body

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00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 1: the line, wasting their careers now for a guy who

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00:47:48,080 --> 00:47:51,200
Speaker 1: had no intention of winning, because she allegedly was taking

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Speaker 1: a payoff no intention winning. That's that's about as low

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Speaker 1: as it sounds. And from the from the flippant nature

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Speaker 1: of the conversation, certainly you can make an all kinds

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Speaker 1: of inferences, But it seems to me like Hugh Jackson

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00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,279
Speaker 1: was not Brian Flores. Brian Floores refusing the money, Hugh

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00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 1: Jackson sounds like he allegedly Yeah, it sounds like he

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00:48:09,760 --> 00:48:14,600
Speaker 1: allegedly took it. Um he is. And also he has

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00:48:14,600 --> 00:48:17,319
Speaker 1: stated as well. Hugh Jackson has in the report that

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Speaker 1: I read that he can prove it, so he can

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00:48:20,600 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: show bookkeeping and whatever. I don't know what. I don't

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00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:28,480
Speaker 1: know what proof he has wired the money something like that,

761
00:48:28,560 --> 00:48:31,400
Speaker 1: no idea, who knows what. But he claims he can

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Speaker 1: prove he has made claims that he can prove it. Wow,

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Speaker 1: So that is okay. That is also a separate that is,

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00:48:39,840 --> 00:48:43,520
Speaker 1: that's a separate fire to put out. Then the Brian

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00:48:43,520 --> 00:48:46,400
Speaker 1: Flores lost the class actions. It's no smaller a fire,

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Speaker 1: especially if he's claiming to have proof. But they are

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00:48:49,520 --> 00:48:58,280
Speaker 1: separate and equally dam important. And that is uh, that's

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Speaker 1: a that is a seismic. That is an enormous bomb

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Speaker 1: to drop in the middle of two twelfth Park Avenue

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Speaker 1: in New York City. All Right, we will delve into

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Speaker 1: this a little bit more when we return, because we

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Speaker 1: will have OutKick dot Com NFL writer Armando Salguero, who

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Speaker 1: will be joining us to talk about these allegations levied

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Speaker 1: against the Miami Dolphins by former head coach Brian Flores,

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Speaker 1: and what it means for the league at large and

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Speaker 1: for the Dolphins owner and whether an investigation may be

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Speaker 1: taking place in the near future to see if these

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Speaker 1: allegations have any validity or credence to them. Armando Salgero

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Speaker 1: coming up next here on one Bill's Live presented by

780
00:49:45,040 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 1: Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio Ada. Steve Tasker, who

781
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:07,960
Speaker 1: has been all over the field. Kind of unique. He

782
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 1: was kind of a dual role player for you state

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Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the strated beer

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Speaker 1: of normalcy, all right. Welcome to our number two here

785
00:50:22,400 --> 00:50:25,239
Speaker 1: on a Wednesday, Chris Brown, Steve Tasker with you, and

786
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Speaker 1: front and center are the allegations levied by Brian Flores,

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Speaker 1: former Dolphins head coach, against the team he formerly worked for,

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Speaker 1: in addition to two other NFL clubs, the Giants and

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Speaker 1: the Broncos, two teams he interviewed for head coaching positions for,

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Speaker 1: and the league at large. Here to lend some more

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Speaker 1: contexts to this is altkick senior NFL writer, Pro Football

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Speaker 1: Hall of Fame voter, and former Dolphins columnists for the

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Speaker 1: Miami Herald. Armando Salguero. Good friend of the show. Armando,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining us. As always, I'm curious first and foremost, Armando,

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00:51:03,719 --> 00:51:06,520
Speaker 1: having covered the team, the Dolphins, as long as you

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Speaker 1: have your interactions with owner Stephen Ross as well as

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores. How off guard were you taken by these

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Speaker 1: allegations and the lawsuit in general? Well so off guard

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Speaker 1: about the allegations. Look, we've we've been on this show

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Speaker 1: and you, gentlemen, Steve and you Chris, have been very

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Speaker 1: kind to have me on often, and during those times

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Speaker 1: we have at times discussed what the Dolphins did in

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Speaker 1: twenty nineteen, which was by all measure, tanking the season.

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Speaker 1: We notice we've discussed it. This is off putting because

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Speaker 1: now it's one of the people who was inside that tank,

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Speaker 1: who was part of it, you know, admitting that it happened,

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00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:09,040
Speaker 1: and that it was to hikes that we never thought possible,

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Speaker 1: including the owner allegedly and according to the lawsuit that

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores filed yesterday, offering bribes to lose NFL games.

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Speaker 1: Let me say that again, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross, according

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Speaker 1: to his former coach Brian Flores, offered him money one

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Speaker 1: hundred thousand dollars per game for every game that he

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Speaker 1: would lose on purpose. That is just stunning. That is

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Speaker 1: just beyond the realm of everything that is sport. I mean,

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00:52:53,200 --> 00:52:58,040
Speaker 1: the general fabric of sport is woven into the idea

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Speaker 1: that you're gonna play the win and I'm gonna play

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Speaker 1: to win, and we're gonna see who wins. We're gonna

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00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,840
Speaker 1: it's gonna be decided by who's better. This just takes

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00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:12,800
Speaker 1: that apart to the point where you're gonna play to

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Speaker 1: win and I'm incentivized to lose. So we'll see what happens.

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Speaker 1: And it's just something that the NFL has to investigate.

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Speaker 1: What do you think the how do you think the

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Speaker 1: Miami fans base is gonna take that? How do you

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00:53:25,280 --> 00:53:29,719
Speaker 1: think that'll fly in South Florida and ultimately and the

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Speaker 1: discussions we had even back then when we were talking

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Speaker 1: about the tank and all of that, the fans kind

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Speaker 1: of knew it was happening or were aware of it

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Speaker 1: some you know, tard it will there be a backlash

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Speaker 1: to this because of the open secret that it was,

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Speaker 1: or will they just say whatever, let's go. Well, it's

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Speaker 1: very interesting, Steve, because you know, Chris is totally right.

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Speaker 1: A lot of them were on board, and and honestly

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Speaker 1: I understood what they were doing myself. They were trying

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Speaker 1: to get themselves into a position where they could have

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Speaker 1: a high enough draft draft pick to pick the best

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Speaker 1: quarterback in that twenty twenty draft. But when you think

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Speaker 1: of when you separate yourself from okay, taking the pain

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Speaker 1: now for game later, and you think about what that

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00:54:32,480 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: means morally, you think about what that means from an

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00:54:37,719 --> 00:54:43,080
Speaker 1: integrity of the game standpoint, it's it's really rough. And

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Speaker 1: when when you extend that to we're not just trying

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00:54:48,239 --> 00:54:52,879
Speaker 1: to do this, I'll pay you to do this. I'm

843
00:54:53,320 --> 00:54:57,480
Speaker 1: I'm upset that you're winning. I'm upset that you're trying.

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Speaker 1: Which are other allegations that ban in Flores is making.

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Speaker 1: It's not gonna make Stephen Ross a very popular guy

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Speaker 1: in South Florida, I would say, yeah. And in addition

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Speaker 1: to that, knowing that, according to Brian Flora's accounts of

848
00:55:13,800 --> 00:55:17,839
Speaker 1: what went down with owners, Stephen Ross and his refusal

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00:55:18,520 --> 00:55:23,680
Speaker 1: to take bribes to lose games on purpose. I would

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Speaker 1: think it prompts an investigation just from that allegation alone.

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Speaker 1: But then on a secondary level, Armando, doesn't it have

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00:55:31,680 --> 00:55:35,799
Speaker 1: to prompt an allegation to see if Stephen Ross went

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Speaker 1: to other people within the organization, whether it's assistant coaches

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Speaker 1: or even players with bribes to help him throw games.

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Speaker 1: It has to go beyond just the head coach, doesn't it. Well,

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Speaker 1: if you look at what actually happened, you have to

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Speaker 1: say that general manager Chris Verer was in on the

858
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:03,600
Speaker 1: tank because look at the roster of the Miami Dolphins

859
00:56:03,600 --> 00:56:07,960
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen, and then look at it in twenty nineteen.

860
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:15,960
Speaker 1: They traded away, they got rid of, they divested themselves of, released,

861
00:56:16,080 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it, whatever way they did it,

862
00:56:19,719 --> 00:56:28,240
Speaker 1: of multiple, multiple outstanding players. Let's remember that Laramie Tunsel

863
00:56:28,480 --> 00:56:32,000
Speaker 1: went on to go to the Pro Bowl twice for

864
00:56:32,080 --> 00:56:36,000
Speaker 1: the Houston Texans when the Dolphins traded him away. To

865
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,479
Speaker 1: this day, they still don't have a left tackle that's

866
00:56:39,520 --> 00:56:43,120
Speaker 1: anywhere near as good as what Laramie Tunsel was. They

867
00:56:43,239 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: drafted Minka Fitzpatrick in the first round of the twenty

868
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:52,359
Speaker 1: eighteen draft. He was very good as a rookie in

869
00:56:52,440 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen the tank here, they traded him to Pittsburgh,

870
00:56:57,360 --> 00:57:02,120
Speaker 1: and obviously they didn't get better as a result of

871
00:57:02,120 --> 00:57:06,520
Speaker 1: that move, at least not in twenty nineteen. The point

872
00:57:06,520 --> 00:57:11,280
Speaker 1: that I'm making is the general manager made multiple moves

873
00:57:11,960 --> 00:57:15,640
Speaker 1: to not improve the team, but to go in a

874
00:57:15,640 --> 00:57:19,360
Speaker 1: different direction. And he put a team on the field

875
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:25,720
Speaker 1: that was inferior by all accounts and on the scoreboard

876
00:57:26,320 --> 00:57:29,040
Speaker 1: to the team that he had the year before. And

877
00:57:29,080 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 1: they did that as a plan. Think about that, that

878
00:57:34,200 --> 00:57:40,680
Speaker 1: was their plan. We're going to disassemble this roster and

879
00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 1: we're gonna put a triple A team on the field

880
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,600
Speaker 1: in twenty nineteen. How much of this can be Certainly

881
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,960
Speaker 1: it falls defeat of the guys that are making the decisions,

882
00:57:48,960 --> 00:57:51,440
Speaker 1: if if it's Stephen Ross or whatever other owner you

883
00:57:51,480 --> 00:57:56,880
Speaker 1: can point to. Are we now reaping the not benefits?

884
00:57:56,880 --> 00:57:59,760
Speaker 1: But are we reaping what we sowed in building? Are

885
00:57:59,760 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 1: they reaping what they sowed in building a league that

886
00:58:03,000 --> 00:58:05,400
Speaker 1: you know, where the worst team gets the best draft pick,

887
00:58:05,440 --> 00:58:10,600
Speaker 1: where you know where, and guys are you know like

888
00:58:10,680 --> 00:58:15,640
Speaker 1: guys like you know Greer, Brian Flores, Hugh Jackson, go

889
00:58:15,720 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 1: down the list, they're doing what they're paid to do,

890
00:58:18,000 --> 00:58:19,720
Speaker 1: and they're doing what they're told to do by their

891
00:58:19,760 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 1: superior are we you know, are just it's just kind

892
00:58:23,640 --> 00:58:25,320
Speaker 1: of the way the league is structure that you're gonna

893
00:58:25,360 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: run into situations where you're gonna have to have or

894
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:36,120
Speaker 1: will have owners incentivizing failure. Well, clearly, the system that

895
00:58:36,160 --> 00:58:39,640
Speaker 1: the NFL has in place is a system meant to

896
00:58:41,120 --> 00:58:47,120
Speaker 1: raise up teams that that fail and try to sort

897
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: of stabilize or even push down teams that succeed. That

898
00:58:52,000 --> 00:58:56,880
Speaker 1: is why the best teams draft last, the worst teams

899
00:58:56,960 --> 00:59:02,439
Speaker 1: draft first. But that system assume ooms a moral compass, right,

900
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:08,120
Speaker 1: assumes that everybody's trying hard regardless, and that if you

901
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:13,360
Speaker 1: just are not good enough, it's because that's just you

902
00:59:13,360 --> 00:59:17,760
Speaker 1: didn't have enough talent, or you're not coached well, or

903
00:59:17,800 --> 00:59:22,240
Speaker 1: your execution is terrible or something other than you're not trying.

904
00:59:23,760 --> 00:59:28,600
Speaker 1: So what we have in the case of losing on

905
00:59:28,760 --> 00:59:34,400
Speaker 1: purpose not trying, that just totally blows up the premise

906
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:37,520
Speaker 1: of having that system. And I don't know how you

907
00:59:37,600 --> 00:59:40,320
Speaker 1: fix it. I mean, I'd be open to listen to

908
00:59:40,560 --> 00:59:44,240
Speaker 1: well suggestions on how to adjust it, because it just

909
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:50,080
Speaker 1: assumes certain truths, and now we see that at least

910
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 1: one team went outside the bounds of those truths, and

911
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: maybe another if what Hugh Jackson is claiming can be corroborated,

912
00:59:58,560 --> 01:00:03,120
Speaker 1: as he's claiming he was paid extra money to lose games,

913
01:00:03,400 --> 01:00:05,120
Speaker 1: and he did a pretty darn good job of that,

914
01:00:05,200 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: going one in thirty one over the course of two seasons.

915
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:15,960
Speaker 1: So he's claiming that he's got proof of that transactions whatever.

916
01:00:16,080 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 1: And he's got front office people that were on the

917
01:00:18,040 --> 01:00:22,320
Speaker 1: take as well, including Sashi Brown and Andrew Berry. So

918
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,560
Speaker 1: he's got a laundry list of people, and he claims

919
01:00:24,600 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: he can prove that. A solution that I would suggest, Armando,

920
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:29,520
Speaker 1: and you can tell me what you think of this

921
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: is a draft lottery similar to what the NBA does.

922
01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:37,280
Speaker 1: That might be the only way to try to dissuade

923
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 1: people from purposely losing games and incentivizing losing. My question

924
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:46,080
Speaker 1: to you, though, Armando, is this based on all this

925
01:00:46,120 --> 01:00:48,680
Speaker 1: stuff that is coming down, which to me is seismic.

926
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:53,880
Speaker 1: Knowing Roger Goodell, often the most frequent statement that comes

927
01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:57,040
Speaker 1: out of his mouth is protecting the integrity of the game,

928
01:00:57,720 --> 01:01:01,840
Speaker 1: and it is completely compromised if these allegations have any

929
01:01:01,880 --> 01:01:07,160
Speaker 1: merit to them. So one, how does that get rectified?

930
01:01:07,480 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: And is there any way that it falls short of

931
01:01:10,520 --> 01:01:14,560
Speaker 1: bouncing Stephen Ross and Jimmy Haslem from the league as owners?

932
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,480
Speaker 1: And two what do you think of a draft lottery

933
01:01:18,520 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: to try to fix this problem? Right? So on the seismic,

934
01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:26,400
Speaker 1: that's a good word. It is that I think in

935
01:01:26,480 --> 01:01:31,440
Speaker 1: my opinion, and obviously you guys agree. It's also unprecedented

936
01:01:31,880 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: because the NFL has had scandals in the past, right, So,

937
01:01:36,400 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 1: we've had Bullygate, We've had the flake Gate, there was

938
01:01:40,840 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 1: bounty gate in in uh, there was Spygate, but never

939
01:01:50,720 --> 01:01:59,600
Speaker 1: in those instances did people involve out publicly the offense.

940
01:02:00,240 --> 01:02:05,720
Speaker 1: I mean, this is this is akin to Bill Belichick saying, yeah,

941
01:02:05,760 --> 01:02:09,400
Speaker 1: I ordered, uh, you know, the cameras to roll on

942
01:02:09,440 --> 01:02:13,080
Speaker 1: the rams prior to the Super Bowl during their practice.

943
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 1: That never happened. Here you have the head coach of

944
01:02:17,800 --> 01:02:23,360
Speaker 1: a team telling you that his boss, the owner, ordered

945
01:02:23,440 --> 01:02:31,560
Speaker 1: him to lose. Uh. I mean that comes for ap

946
01:02:32,480 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 1: and clearly it merits an NFL investigation, and clearly there's

947
01:02:39,000 --> 01:02:44,080
Speaker 1: going to have to be corroboration somewhere. There has to

948
01:02:44,120 --> 01:02:50,240
Speaker 1: be email text messages, voicemails, something where it's not Brian

949
01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 1: Flores's word against Steve Ross's word. There has to be

950
01:02:55,320 --> 01:03:00,240
Speaker 1: something that would corroborate one side or the other. So

951
01:03:00,320 --> 01:03:03,560
Speaker 1: I'd be very interested to see how that works out.

952
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:09,280
Speaker 1: As to a lottery, I have to admit I pay

953
01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:15,600
Speaker 1: zero point zero percent attention to the NBA, and I

954
01:03:15,720 --> 01:03:18,439
Speaker 1: know that they have a draft lottery, and I guess

955
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: it works for them, and that's all I care about

956
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: the NBA, fair enough, exactly. Yeah, So, and how the

957
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:29,080
Speaker 1: thing is that this is going to have ripple effects?

958
01:03:29,080 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: It seems as though, and certainly the the class action

959
01:03:32,480 --> 01:03:37,120
Speaker 1: suit that Brian Flores filed today has nothing really to

960
01:03:37,280 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: do with you know, the with the topic we're talking about,

961
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:43,720
Speaker 1: the integrity of the game is has to do with

962
01:03:43,760 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: the hiring practices across the league and how how ineffective

963
01:03:48,960 --> 01:03:51,800
Speaker 1: they are at giving guys who have earned the chance

964
01:03:51,840 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 1: a chance because of the color of their skin. What

965
01:03:54,640 --> 01:03:57,600
Speaker 1: are your thoughts about how that could be resolved, not

966
01:03:57,640 --> 01:04:02,240
Speaker 1: just resolved, but what changes could happen to change hiring

967
01:04:02,280 --> 01:04:07,120
Speaker 1: practices across an industry. Right, So, the NFL came out

968
01:04:07,200 --> 01:04:11,440
Speaker 1: yesterday immediately after it learned of this lawsuit and said

969
01:04:11,480 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: that Flores's contentions were without merit and honestly, first of all,

970
01:04:19,040 --> 01:04:21,040
Speaker 1: how do you know this? I mean, you did as

971
01:04:21,480 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: you you you did a self study, a self scout,

972
01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:30,040
Speaker 1: and decided within ten minutes that no, that's not true.

973
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:34,480
Speaker 1: This is this is just out there in fantasyland. I

974
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:39,600
Speaker 1: find that hard to believe. Um, I think that Flores's

975
01:04:40,920 --> 01:04:45,720
Speaker 1: concerns have merit. I think that you can tell that,

976
01:04:46,000 --> 01:04:48,520
Speaker 1: you know, the NFL doesn't have a lot of blackhead

977
01:04:48,520 --> 01:04:54,000
Speaker 1: coaches right now. So there's that has zero owners right now.

978
01:04:54,960 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: By the way, it has zero Hispanic Uh, you know

979
01:05:00,440 --> 01:05:04,880
Speaker 1: owners either, So whatever, that's not the point. The point

980
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:10,200
Speaker 1: is I think that whatever the practices are, I'm sure

981
01:05:10,280 --> 01:05:14,960
Speaker 1: they should be studied and maybe, you know, they can

982
01:05:15,040 --> 01:05:19,439
Speaker 1: do something to try to even the playing field. I'm

983
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:23,880
Speaker 1: not sure that it'll work. What I find ironic in

984
01:05:23,960 --> 01:05:27,560
Speaker 1: all of this is that one of the teams that

985
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: Flores is including in this suit, the Dolphins. I don't

986
01:05:34,160 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 1: understand why they're in the suit because they indeed hired

987
01:05:39,200 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 1: Brian Flores. The only team that hired Brian Flores who

988
01:05:43,520 --> 01:05:47,000
Speaker 1: is black. They have a black general manager, they have

989
01:05:47,160 --> 01:05:51,280
Speaker 1: a black assistant general manager Marvin Allen, who they hired

990
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 1: from the Buffalo Bills. They have a black executive vice president,

991
01:05:57,280 --> 01:06:00,600
Speaker 1: Reggie McKenzie, who they hired after he was let go

992
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:04,960
Speaker 1: from the Raiders. So if you look at that team's

993
01:06:05,720 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: flow chart, I don't see racial inequity flow chart. What

994
01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:19,640
Speaker 1: I do see is the allegations have other cause, other problems,

995
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:24,600
Speaker 1: and they go back not to racial discrimination, but integrity

996
01:06:24,640 --> 01:06:27,080
Speaker 1: of the game issues. I think if he has only

997
01:06:27,200 --> 01:06:33,320
Speaker 1: one racial accusation allegation leg to stand on with respect

998
01:06:33,320 --> 01:06:37,360
Speaker 1: to the Dolphins, it was his contention that he was

999
01:06:37,480 --> 01:06:43,920
Speaker 1: portrayed as a difficult person to work with after he

1000
01:06:44,000 --> 01:06:47,360
Speaker 1: refused to take the payments and after he refused to

1001
01:06:47,480 --> 01:06:53,400
Speaker 1: collaborate with Stephen Ross on the alleged tampering violation to

1002
01:06:53,600 --> 01:06:57,480
Speaker 1: secure the services of a quarterback in upcoming free agency.

1003
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,480
Speaker 1: That's the only way I see him get to accusing

1004
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,000
Speaker 1: the Dolphins and Stephen Ross of racial bias. He was

1005
01:07:05,040 --> 01:07:09,480
Speaker 1: summarily dismissed after two winning seasons after refusing to collaborate

1006
01:07:09,520 --> 01:07:12,280
Speaker 1: in an illegal fashion with his owner. What do you

1007
01:07:12,280 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: think of that? And was that because of his race

1008
01:07:16,160 --> 01:07:19,760
Speaker 1: or because of his moral compass? Yeah? He's accusing race.

1009
01:07:20,320 --> 01:07:23,200
Speaker 1: I would argue that, yeah, moral compass is probably a

1010
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:27,360
Speaker 1: stronger leg to stand on, but that's neither here nor there.

1011
01:07:27,400 --> 01:07:32,120
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins interviewed a lot of guys prior to

1012
01:07:32,240 --> 01:07:38,800
Speaker 1: hiring Brian Flores, including white people, and they spoke of

1013
01:07:39,160 --> 01:07:43,960
Speaker 1: tanking and the word tank. I know because I reported

1014
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,640
Speaker 1: it for the Miami Harold was used in at least

1015
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:53,479
Speaker 1: one of those interviews with including a white person. So

1016
01:07:53,680 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: they were going this direction whether their coach was white, black,

1017
01:07:58,360 --> 01:08:02,400
Speaker 1: avocado green or pain right. When do you think the

1018
01:08:02,440 --> 01:08:05,200
Speaker 1: long term? I mean if if that is, if tanking

1019
01:08:05,280 --> 01:08:07,240
Speaker 1: is a thing and fans know about it, fans talk

1020
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:10,560
Speaker 1: about it, teams are gonna do it. Obviously you're doing

1021
01:08:10,600 --> 01:08:13,880
Speaker 1: it or have done it. What's the Is there a

1022
01:08:13,960 --> 01:08:18,120
Speaker 1: remedy or is there a remedy worth pursuing? Because if

1023
01:08:18,120 --> 01:08:20,479
Speaker 1: a team's gonna tank and a head coach doesn't want

1024
01:08:20,520 --> 01:08:22,559
Speaker 1: to do it, and particularly the players, you feel bad

1025
01:08:22,560 --> 01:08:24,639
Speaker 1: for the players who had to I do. I feel

1026
01:08:24,640 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: bad for the players who had to be a part

1027
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:30,639
Speaker 1: of that. They're out there trying to win when they're

1028
01:08:30,640 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: not they have no chance of winning because they're gonna

1029
01:08:33,240 --> 01:08:37,599
Speaker 1: get sabotaged from above. What are the long term effects?

1030
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:40,479
Speaker 1: Is there going to be any long term effects from

1031
01:08:40,479 --> 01:08:43,120
Speaker 1: this because already people are resigning. It's part of the

1032
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:48,439
Speaker 1: vocabulary of the league and every and other leagues as well. Yeah,

1033
01:08:48,479 --> 01:08:50,600
Speaker 1: it's interesting. You know. One of the things that is

1034
01:08:50,720 --> 01:08:55,280
Speaker 1: kind of unsavory about all this is no one says

1035
01:08:55,320 --> 01:09:00,360
Speaker 1: anything while it's happening. Brian Floras didn't say a word

1036
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:04,240
Speaker 1: about any of this while he was employed by the

1037
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:09,439
Speaker 1: Miami Dolphins and collecting a check. The players on the roster.

1038
01:09:11,240 --> 01:09:16,360
Speaker 1: They didn't They didn't say anything. The general manager denied it. Uh,

1039
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:21,600
Speaker 1: you know, so it feels a little huge Hugh Jackson,

1040
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:27,559
Speaker 1: if indeed he was paid uh to to to lose,

1041
01:09:28,360 --> 01:09:33,200
Speaker 1: where was the admission? Then? Where was the where where

1042
01:09:33,360 --> 01:09:40,840
Speaker 1: was his outrage? Then it feels kind of ikey that

1043
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 1: it only comes out, you know, after the fact, when

1044
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:49,519
Speaker 1: you're no longer employed by the people that all of

1045
01:09:49,560 --> 01:09:54,360
Speaker 1: a sudden you are outraged by. Yeah, it feels strange

1046
01:09:54,400 --> 01:09:57,439
Speaker 1: to me, and it and it's something that needs to

1047
01:09:57,479 --> 01:10:02,000
Speaker 1: be brought up because again, you were in it. Yeah,

1048
01:10:02,400 --> 01:10:07,240
Speaker 1: Brian Marres did not go into this with his eyes shut.

1049
01:10:08,000 --> 01:10:13,200
Speaker 1: He knew the Miami Dolphins planned to basically fall off

1050
01:10:13,200 --> 01:10:17,599
Speaker 1: a cliff in twenty nineteen. Now, did he coach that way,

1051
01:10:18,080 --> 01:10:22,479
Speaker 1: of course not. Did he try to lose, of course not,

1052
01:10:23,160 --> 01:10:27,320
Speaker 1: But he knew that was the plan. Yeah, So I

1053
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,800
Speaker 1: don't know. I guess he feels that because he didn't

1054
01:10:29,800 --> 01:10:33,920
Speaker 1: give into it, he's absolved of all responsibility. Otherwise, why

1055
01:10:34,040 --> 01:10:36,320
Speaker 1: file the suit against the Dolphins in the first place.

1056
01:10:36,360 --> 01:10:40,679
Speaker 1: But I think that's where we'll leave it for now. Armando,

1057
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:42,439
Speaker 1: I know you'll have your ear to the ground on that,

1058
01:10:42,560 --> 01:10:45,120
Speaker 1: at least as it pertains to the Dolphins. In the

1059
01:10:45,120 --> 01:10:47,520
Speaker 1: weeks and months to come, it's going to be fascinating

1060
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:51,320
Speaker 1: to see what course of action the league takes on

1061
01:10:51,400 --> 01:10:56,520
Speaker 1: both fronts integrity of the game as well as hiring

1062
01:10:56,560 --> 01:11:01,080
Speaker 1: practices of minorities, because both have surfaced in a big

1063
01:11:01,120 --> 01:11:03,800
Speaker 1: way as major issues that they're going to have to

1064
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:06,679
Speaker 1: tackle here in the near future. Great stuff is always Armando,

1065
01:11:06,760 --> 01:11:10,080
Speaker 1: Thanks for the time. We appreciate it. Thank you, See,

1066
01:11:10,240 --> 01:11:13,320
Speaker 1: thank you, Chris. All Right, that's Armando Salgaro, senior NFL

1067
01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:16,800
Speaker 1: writer for OutKick dot Com, a guy that has had

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Speaker 1: his ear to the ground on the Dolphins beat for

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01:11:19,280 --> 01:11:22,479
Speaker 1: more than thirty years and definitely knows what is and

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Speaker 1: is not going on inside those walls and interesting perspective,

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01:11:29,439 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: which is why we got Armando on in the first place. Um,

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Speaker 1: a guy that knows how the hiring process went down

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Speaker 1: when Brian Flores ultimately was hired as head coach and

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01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:47,280
Speaker 1: the tank plan that was in place from the jump. Yeah,

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01:11:47,760 --> 01:11:50,160
Speaker 1: and it was reported that it was in the conversation

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01:11:50,200 --> 01:11:56,160
Speaker 1: of the interviews just himself reported in himself. Yeah, but

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Speaker 1: that is just to try to all right, So that's

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01:11:59,520 --> 01:12:03,720
Speaker 1: your plan in you know, let's covertly not try to

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Speaker 1: be all that competitive here so we can get a

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Speaker 1: better draft choice, get the quarterback we want, and to

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Speaker 1: then double down and allegedly incentivize tanking to your own

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Speaker 1: head coach, right, and who knows who else? Right? That's

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01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:23,000
Speaker 1: the thing. Wow, that's the thing. There's no doubt the

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01:12:23,080 --> 01:12:26,400
Speaker 1: tanking has been around for a while now, and we

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01:12:26,680 --> 01:12:30,360
Speaker 1: talked about it in hockey with the Blackhawks did But

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01:12:30,400 --> 01:12:33,800
Speaker 1: what does the NHL do? They change the draft with

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01:12:33,840 --> 01:12:38,240
Speaker 1: a lottery, and so now it happens, and it's been

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01:12:38,280 --> 01:12:44,400
Speaker 1: happening in the in the NFL as well. We've seen it. Um,

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01:12:44,880 --> 01:12:48,760
Speaker 1: does it does it change something now that not just

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01:12:48,840 --> 01:12:51,160
Speaker 1: as it the plan and these guys are under contract,

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01:12:52,600 --> 01:12:55,559
Speaker 1: but now you're incentivizing the plan that everybody kind of

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01:12:55,560 --> 01:12:57,720
Speaker 1: openly knows that. And when you say it like that,

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01:12:57,800 --> 01:12:59,840
Speaker 1: it's like, ah, I get it, and I don't know

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01:12:59,840 --> 01:13:02,720
Speaker 1: that fans because like he said, there's always going to

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01:13:02,760 --> 01:13:04,479
Speaker 1: be a certain amount of fans. They're gonna be like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: do that, yeah, because we want the best quarterback, because

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01:13:07,520 --> 01:13:09,240
Speaker 1: we want the Stuart best quarterback and draft. But here's

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01:13:09,280 --> 01:13:11,439
Speaker 1: the thing that you forget those fans. Yeah, go ahead

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Speaker 1: and do that. I'm not buying tickets this year when

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Speaker 1: you do it, but you go ahead and do that

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Speaker 1: because next year I'll come back. Yeah. Um, well yeah,

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01:13:17,680 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 1: it's no skin off their nose, right. So but you

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01:13:20,479 --> 01:13:22,240
Speaker 1: know there's some people who want to go and watch

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Speaker 1: their team win and you know, or wasting their money. Yeah,

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01:13:27,960 --> 01:13:30,960
Speaker 1: but there you know, as Armando says, it's a little icky,

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01:13:31,280 --> 01:13:36,599
Speaker 1: and it is. Obviously Brian Flores feels he comes out

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01:13:36,640 --> 01:13:40,760
Speaker 1: squeaky clean and all of those accusations because he did

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01:13:40,840 --> 01:13:42,880
Speaker 1: not he was not on the take, he didn't take

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01:13:42,920 --> 01:13:46,799
Speaker 1: the check. Yeah, according to his recollection of the events,

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Speaker 1: he did not participate in an alleged tampering situation with

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01:13:54,240 --> 01:13:57,439
Speaker 1: a potential free agent quarterback, which he also alleges Stephen

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01:13:57,479 --> 01:14:04,880
Speaker 1: Ross of orchestrating. So those are bombshell type allegations. And

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01:14:04,880 --> 01:14:10,120
Speaker 1: then Hugh Jackson goes a step further and says, not

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01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:14,360
Speaker 1: only was I paid to lose, he alleges that he

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01:14:14,439 --> 01:14:20,400
Speaker 1: has proof of being paid to lose and alleges that

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01:14:20,520 --> 01:14:23,639
Speaker 1: front office executives with the Browns, I get it, we're

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01:14:23,680 --> 01:14:26,519
Speaker 1: paid to if the plan has to tank. If the

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01:14:26,560 --> 01:14:28,920
Speaker 1: plan is to tank, Brian Flores was being paid to

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01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:31,880
Speaker 1: lose too, whether he cash those extra checks or not, right,

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01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: because the sal so were the GM and the assistant

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01:14:35,400 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 1: GM and the scouts and all of those guys. And

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01:14:38,400 --> 01:14:40,639
Speaker 1: if that's the plan that the owner has and he's

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01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:44,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna tank, whoever he's paying that is working for

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01:14:44,560 --> 01:14:46,559
Speaker 1: him is a part of that plan, no matter what,

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01:14:46,640 --> 01:14:48,800
Speaker 1: whether they like it or not, because they're aware of it.

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01:14:48,840 --> 01:14:52,559
Speaker 1: Because they're aware of it. And so that's where you

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Speaker 1: sit with this. I don't know how that wash is clean,

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01:14:55,360 --> 01:14:57,200
Speaker 1: and so are the fans for that matter. How does

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01:14:57,240 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: that wash clean with the league? Though? I don't know

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01:14:58,960 --> 01:15:02,679
Speaker 1: how you get around that. Well, that's a good point.

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01:15:02,880 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: I don't know whether the league says whatever, run your

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01:15:06,080 --> 01:15:07,960
Speaker 1: team the way you want to run your team. I

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01:15:08,000 --> 01:15:10,240
Speaker 1: don't know how you say whatever with this kind of stuff.

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01:15:10,320 --> 01:15:13,960
Speaker 1: Yeah you're talking about because here's the thing. Dolphins do

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01:15:14,000 --> 01:15:16,280
Speaker 1: that with their That's fine, that's fine. But now you've

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01:15:16,280 --> 01:15:20,080
Speaker 1: got like you know, Jerry Jones and Dallas with a

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01:15:20,720 --> 01:15:24,320
Speaker 1: five and a half billion dollars a little machine running

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01:15:24,360 --> 01:15:28,479
Speaker 1: down there. Now it's not worth five hundred five point

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01:15:28,520 --> 01:15:31,639
Speaker 1: five billion. Now, it's worth you know, half that because

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01:15:31,640 --> 01:15:37,719
Speaker 1: the league has compromised, has compromise the integrity of it. Yeah,

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01:15:37,800 --> 01:15:42,240
Speaker 1: I would be really interested to know what other owners

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01:15:43,040 --> 01:15:48,040
Speaker 1: as a group think about this. Well, and the other

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01:15:48,080 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: thing that compromises this even more is you've got a

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01:15:52,400 --> 01:15:58,600
Speaker 1: league that, after decades and decades of avoiding the gambling

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01:15:58,640 --> 01:16:01,880
Speaker 1: world and Las Vegas like the plague, the moment to

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01:16:02,080 --> 01:16:05,960
Speaker 1: preserve the integrity of their game, is now being accused

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01:16:06,000 --> 01:16:10,879
Speaker 1: by two former head coaches of compromising the outcomes of games.

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01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:17,960
Speaker 1: Now has a relationship with the sports betting world. I

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01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:22,439
Speaker 1: think it. Unfortunately, these allegations may prompt the league to

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01:16:22,520 --> 01:16:31,160
Speaker 1: act swiftly to address it. Even more So these allegations

1151
01:16:31,160 --> 01:16:32,880
Speaker 1: that have come down the pike in the last forty

1152
01:16:32,880 --> 01:16:37,320
Speaker 1: eight hours, I anticipate they're gonna prompt swift action on

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01:16:37,880 --> 01:16:41,200
Speaker 1: the league, because I, yes they should. I I'm on

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01:16:41,200 --> 01:16:43,480
Speaker 1: board with you. But I think one of these things

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01:16:43,080 --> 01:16:47,040
Speaker 1: is the only difference today that we that we didn't

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01:16:47,080 --> 01:16:50,160
Speaker 1: have yesterday. The only difference today than yesterday is the

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01:16:50,200 --> 01:16:52,560
Speaker 1: fact that somebody from behind the curtain acknowledge what we

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01:16:52,600 --> 01:16:58,639
Speaker 1: all suspected, right, and if there is corroboration with hard

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01:16:59,240 --> 01:17:04,880
Speaker 1: and fast, reliable evidence, what's the public sentiment gonna be

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01:17:05,200 --> 01:17:08,639
Speaker 1: about doing something about it? Do you think, Well, if

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01:17:08,680 --> 01:17:16,240
Speaker 1: you've got fans that want to bet on games, yeah, okay,

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01:17:16,560 --> 01:17:21,800
Speaker 1: and they don't trust that both teams are in it

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01:17:23,320 --> 01:17:29,120
Speaker 1: with true moral compasses, and then they go ahead and

1164
01:17:29,320 --> 01:17:35,800
Speaker 1: are not successful in their betting actions, They're gonna point

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01:17:35,800 --> 01:17:41,559
Speaker 1: of finger. Yeah. So I don't do that now. Yeah,

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01:17:41,600 --> 01:17:43,400
Speaker 1: And I don't know that anything can be done about it.

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01:17:43,479 --> 01:17:47,400
Speaker 1: But that's the point. What's the sentiment and the and

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01:17:47,479 --> 01:17:50,879
Speaker 1: the momentum gonna be. For like, for instance, here in Buffalo,

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01:17:52,439 --> 01:17:54,160
Speaker 1: there's gonna be a ton of people going oct care

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01:17:54,240 --> 01:17:55,960
Speaker 1: what the Miami Dolphins do. We got our guy, we're

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01:17:55,960 --> 01:17:57,880
Speaker 1: playing good, let's go. And I hope they do tank.

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01:17:57,920 --> 01:18:00,320
Speaker 1: I hope they do pay each other to lose that

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01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:04,599
Speaker 1: kind of sentiment because when you see those teams come up,

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01:18:04,640 --> 01:18:07,479
Speaker 1: you've got particularly like week six, week seven, week ten,

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01:18:07,520 --> 01:18:10,920
Speaker 1: week fourteen, week seventeen, you know who those guys are.

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01:18:11,280 --> 01:18:14,800
Speaker 1: So that's you're gonna bet knowing that team or having

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01:18:14,840 --> 01:18:17,120
Speaker 1: a good idea about it. That's pretty dangerous too. Though

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01:18:17,360 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 1: it's always dangerous. No, no, I'm saying I'm saying it's

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01:18:22,439 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: dangerous for who. It's dangerous for the for the gambling houses. Yeah,

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01:18:26,960 --> 01:18:32,400
Speaker 1: because now there's a sure thing for betters. They're gonna Yeah,

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01:18:32,400 --> 01:18:35,880
Speaker 1: but that's they know how to handle that. Okay, it's

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01:18:35,920 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 1: ten thousand to one, it's you know, it's right, it's

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01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,599
Speaker 1: they can adjust. You're saying, right, So I get it,

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01:18:42,680 --> 01:18:44,960
Speaker 1: and just don't. I don't see it as good for business,

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01:18:45,040 --> 01:18:47,000
Speaker 1: though in I know, I agree with you, but I

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01:18:47,040 --> 01:18:49,880
Speaker 1: think they're still like besides the three teams that were

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01:18:49,880 --> 01:18:53,519
Speaker 1: noted in this in this allegation, or forget the you

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01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:55,840
Speaker 1: know the Cleveland Browns with Hugh Jackson, and now the

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01:18:56,200 --> 01:18:59,639
Speaker 1: you know the Brian Flores allegations about the tanks. They're

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01:18:59,640 --> 01:19:01,559
Speaker 1: still thirty other teams that are going Now, our guys

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01:19:01,560 --> 01:19:03,000
Speaker 1: are trying to win, we can you know, I mean,

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01:19:03,000 --> 01:19:06,679
Speaker 1: what are we gonna do? So yeah, so there's gonna

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01:19:06,720 --> 01:19:09,280
Speaker 1: be it's gonna be a very We're gonna be very

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01:19:09,320 --> 01:19:11,360
Speaker 1: much prisoners at the moment. As to which teams that

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01:19:11,439 --> 01:19:14,800
Speaker 1: affects now and how it is going forward and going back,

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01:19:14,800 --> 01:19:16,839
Speaker 1: I don't know if people aren't interested in going backwards,

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01:19:19,280 --> 01:19:22,320
Speaker 1: I don't know, man, you know, I'm with you. League

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01:19:22,439 --> 01:19:30,680
Speaker 1: that prides itself on competitive balance, to have allegations of

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Speaker 1: teams purposely trying to lose, I can't think of anything

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01:19:37,320 --> 01:19:40,920
Speaker 1: that flies in the face of protecting the integrity of

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01:19:40,920 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: your game. More. I can't think of anything then guys

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01:19:44,080 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 1: paying paid to lose. Yeah, I get you. I mean

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01:19:46,800 --> 01:19:50,080
Speaker 1: that's a problem. There's you know, right, it has to

1204
01:19:50,080 --> 01:19:52,880
Speaker 1: be investing into a competition about finding out which But

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01:19:53,080 --> 01:19:59,600
Speaker 1: here's the thing, something that is a symptom of the

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01:19:59,640 --> 01:20:02,559
Speaker 1: way league has been structured and the people are aware of.

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01:20:04,200 --> 01:20:08,680
Speaker 1: I think is does not garner the outrage of the

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01:20:08,720 --> 01:20:11,559
Speaker 1: purists that it does for the purists. You know what

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01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I think that the fans are like going,

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01:20:13,520 --> 01:20:15,560
Speaker 1: I get it. I'm sure they're paying those guys, and

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01:20:15,800 --> 01:20:18,240
Speaker 1: I guess, you know, if he wants to do that,

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01:20:18,320 --> 01:20:20,439
Speaker 1: he can, But how hard can it be? You know,

1213
01:20:20,520 --> 01:20:22,960
Speaker 1: I can't imagine how Brown's Field fans field. Oh, I know,

1214
01:20:23,479 --> 01:20:25,400
Speaker 1: think about they were one and thirty one in those

1215
01:20:25,720 --> 01:20:28,439
Speaker 1: years they were And now to find out the guy

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01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:31,280
Speaker 1: was getting paid to do that on purpose, that's pretty bad.

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01:20:31,280 --> 01:20:33,519
Speaker 1: And I paid to go watch those games. That to me,

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01:20:34,920 --> 01:20:37,599
Speaker 1: that's this point where the where a fan base could

1219
01:20:37,640 --> 01:20:39,960
Speaker 1: band together and say, you know what, we would like

1220
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:42,400
Speaker 1: a new owner if you could make that happen. I'm

1221
01:20:42,439 --> 01:20:44,040
Speaker 1: not going to a game again, right, We're not gonna

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01:20:44,080 --> 01:20:45,599
Speaker 1: do that. Why am I gonna go watch a team

1223
01:20:45,600 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: purposely lose? It's that's bad, right, it's bad. That's right.

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01:20:49,000 --> 01:20:51,680
Speaker 1: It's got to be invested. I think it's. Yeah. All right,

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01:20:51,720 --> 01:20:53,760
Speaker 1: we're way over for the break. We'll step aside. Here,

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Speaker 1: be back with more here on One Bill's Live. Stay tuned,

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Speaker 1: all right, Welcome back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown,

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01:21:11,479 --> 01:21:17,640
Speaker 1: Steve Tasker with you and heavy conversation today on the

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01:21:17,880 --> 01:21:23,120
Speaker 1: Brian Flores lawsuit against the league, including three NFL teams,

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01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:27,400
Speaker 1: specifically those being the Giants, the Dolphins, and the Broncos.

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01:21:27,520 --> 01:21:30,640
Speaker 1: Armando did astutely point out Armando Salguero or guest in

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01:21:30,640 --> 01:21:35,639
Speaker 1: the last segment, did astutely point out Steve that his

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Speaker 1: lawsuit which you accuses teams and the league of hiring

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01:21:43,240 --> 01:21:48,400
Speaker 1: practice deficiencies as it pertains to the minorities which there's

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01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,000
Speaker 1: documented evidence. I mean, you only have one blank and

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01:21:51,120 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 1: coach in the league. Why are the Dolphins a part

1237
01:21:56,400 --> 01:22:00,840
Speaker 1: of that lawsuit? And the only thing I can surmises

1238
01:22:00,920 --> 01:22:06,200
Speaker 1: he feels that he was unfairly treated as a blackhead

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01:22:06,240 --> 01:22:10,640
Speaker 1: coach by his owner after refusing to cooperate in his

1240
01:22:10,760 --> 01:22:16,280
Speaker 1: allegations of the team tanking and losing because he did

1241
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,720
Speaker 1: not take the money and then did not participate in

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01:22:19,760 --> 01:22:23,720
Speaker 1: an alleged tampering scandal with a potential free agent quarterback.

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01:22:25,360 --> 01:22:29,559
Speaker 1: He feels that he was treated unfairly based on his race.

1244
01:22:31,080 --> 01:22:34,639
Speaker 1: Armando felt it was more because he had a better

1245
01:22:34,720 --> 01:22:40,840
Speaker 1: moral compass. Either way, it's a fair question too, I mean,

1246
01:22:40,880 --> 01:22:43,680
Speaker 1: if they were named in the suit. I mean, I

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01:22:43,720 --> 01:22:46,080
Speaker 1: haven't read the suit. I mean, but and I wouldn't

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01:22:46,160 --> 01:22:49,160
Speaker 1: understand it if I did. I'm have no mind for that.

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01:22:49,240 --> 01:22:51,840
Speaker 1: But if I mean all all the team and class

1250
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:55,200
Speaker 1: actions suit, all the teams are named. Yeah, the three

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01:22:55,240 --> 01:23:01,360
Speaker 1: we've heard about are whatever special designation that means in

1252
01:23:01,400 --> 01:23:03,960
Speaker 1: the suit, I do not know. But it's a class

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01:23:04,000 --> 01:23:07,920
Speaker 1: action suit against the NFL for poor at least for

1254
01:23:08,160 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: poor hiring practices, and it's gonna's and they've got some

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01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:16,639
Speaker 1: settlement ideas as well. And one of the things too

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01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:20,920
Speaker 1: that to go by this, Brian Flores isn't like out.

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01:23:20,960 --> 01:23:23,000
Speaker 1: He didn't sue him for like three hundred million dollars

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01:23:23,120 --> 01:23:26,320
Speaker 1: or even thirty million dollars. It doesn't sound like this

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01:23:26,360 --> 01:23:31,679
Speaker 1: isn't about that. It's about fostering change. And for that reason,

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01:23:31,800 --> 01:23:34,400
Speaker 1: i'm you know you, you kind of got to tip

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01:23:34,439 --> 01:23:38,639
Speaker 1: your hat to the guy for doing that in an

1262
01:23:38,720 --> 01:23:41,800
Speaker 1: environment in which we live, where it's difficult to be

1263
01:23:41,880 --> 01:23:45,240
Speaker 1: one of those to be a social activist in the

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01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:49,080
Speaker 1: public eye. He is welcome the opportunity and not asked

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01:23:49,080 --> 01:23:53,240
Speaker 1: for anything in return. In fact that the concessions they've

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01:23:53,280 --> 01:24:01,120
Speaker 1: asked for are pretty logical and common sensical when you

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01:24:01,120 --> 01:24:03,519
Speaker 1: look at the frameworker which he offered him. So it's

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01:24:03,920 --> 01:24:06,839
Speaker 1: it's going to be interesting to see this progress. Obviously,

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01:24:06,880 --> 01:24:08,599
Speaker 1: we had Andrew Branton order in the show. You can

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01:24:08,640 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: go back and listen to that interview if you like.

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01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:13,919
Speaker 1: Heat said, this is a different timeline than the NFL calendar,

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01:24:14,120 --> 01:24:17,080
Speaker 1: and obviously we all know that we you know, it's

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01:24:17,080 --> 01:24:20,040
Speaker 1: probably didn't take months. We're probably talking months, right, hope

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01:24:20,240 --> 01:24:22,200
Speaker 1: hopefully it doesn't. But it would be nice if we

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Speaker 1: had some clarity on it as their offseason progresses, to

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Speaker 1: keep it moving along and to make some meaningful changes. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that would be nice. But the way the league's statement read,

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Speaker 1: claiming that this lawsuit was without merit would at least

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Speaker 1: give the indication anyway that they're going to probably pursue

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Speaker 1: this in the courts and litigate it rather than choose

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Speaker 1: to try to find some common ground and maybe develop

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Speaker 1: some new ways to foster better minority hiring. Because, as

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Speaker 1: we mentioned, the NFL statement said, in response to the

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Speaker 1: Brian Flores lawsuit, the NFL and our clubs are deeply

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Speaker 1: committed to ensuring equitable employment practices and continue to make

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Speaker 1: progress in providing equitable opportunities throughout our organizations. Diversity is

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Speaker 1: core to everything we do, and there are a few

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Speaker 1: issues on which our clubs and our internal leadership teams

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Speaker 1: spend more time we will defend against these claims which

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Speaker 1: are without merit, so they don't believe there's validity to

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Speaker 1: Certainly what Brian Flores is alleging. Certainly the league has

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Speaker 1: paid at least lip service to this this question in

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Speaker 1: the past. But let's say you got words on the sidelines,

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Speaker 1: in the back of the end zones, you got helmet decals,

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Speaker 1: you've got and I'll say this, the league has the

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Speaker 1: seventy percent of the league are men of men and

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Speaker 1: women of color. There's more women involved in the league

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Speaker 1: bar than ever before, in coaching staff, medical staffs, the

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Speaker 1: officiating crews, more than the Bills have done that year.

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Speaker 1: I mean, there are more women on the coach We've talked,

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Speaker 1: We've talked about it off the air where this this

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Speaker 1: building is way more diverse than it had been, yes,

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Speaker 1: in absolutely decades. Pass so on a team by team basis,

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Speaker 1: I'm sure there is evidence that there is more diversity,

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Speaker 1: equity and inclusion. There certainly is here at one Bill's Drive.

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Speaker 1: There's no debating that for a second, I think, But

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Speaker 1: there does appear thin people, right. I think what people

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Speaker 1: like Brian Flores take issue with is the most visible

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Speaker 1: coaches in this league, which are the head coaches, is

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Speaker 1: still woefully behind. And one black head coach in this

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Speaker 1: league and one minority coach, Ron Rivera being Hispanic. That's

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Speaker 1: it right, um. And at the ownership level, it's much

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Speaker 1: the same. You have Kim Pagoula Asian American and then

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Speaker 1: you have Shad Khan, Pakistani American. That is it as

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Speaker 1: far as minorities go at the ownership level. And I

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Speaker 1: think Brian Flora is clearly stated this morning in his

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Speaker 1: multiple appearances across many networks that he believes where it

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Speaker 1: has to change is at the ownership level if we're

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Speaker 1: ever going to see the appropriate change he feels is

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Speaker 1: necessary at the head coaching and the front office level.

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Speaker 1: So that's where he stands. We take a break here, Steve,

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Speaker 1: and I'll close it up next here on One Bills

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Speaker 1: Live presented by Kalida Health. It's Buffalo Bill's Radio. All right,

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Speaker 1: welcome back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Steve Tasker

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Speaker 1: with you. I think we've addressed the Brian Flores situation

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Speaker 1: enough for today. We do want to reiterate that NFL

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Speaker 1: networks Ian Rappaport is reporting that the Bills are going

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Speaker 1: to hire former Panthers offensive coordinator Joe Brady as their

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach, filling the vacancy left by Ken Dorsey, who

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Speaker 1: was promoted to offensive coordinator. There was other news out

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Speaker 1: of the Giants camp. Brian Dable is reportedly going to

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Speaker 1: hire Bill's assistant quarterbacks coach Shay Tierney to be the

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks coach of the Giants. That would be a promotion,

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Speaker 1: so he would be free to pursue a promotion with

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Speaker 1: the Giants. So we'll wait until both teams make those

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Speaker 1: reports official, but that is what is out there at

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Speaker 1: this time. So an assistant quarterback coaching position perhaps open

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Speaker 1: now for the Bills. So we'll just see if and

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Speaker 1: when that does get filled and take it from there.

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Speaker 1: No confirmation from either team at this point, but you know,

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Speaker 1: we'll see what happens in the coming days on those

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Speaker 1: two fronts. And it's interesting too in regards to all

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Speaker 1: stuff that's going on, you know, with all the staffs

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Speaker 1: that have to be assembled, that's happening so slow haird

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Speaker 1: the past years. I mean, they just seem to be

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Speaker 1: trickling in rather than this guy, this guy, this guy.

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Speaker 1: You know, they're like six new hires today. Usually when

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Speaker 1: there's one or two, the dominoes fall rather quickly. Yes,

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Speaker 1: but teams are taking their time with these. The Staints

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Speaker 1: still have interviews to do this week, so do the Texans.

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Speaker 1: We'll keep our eye on all of it. Steve is

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Speaker 1: off for the next couple of days. Well, I'll be

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Speaker 1: in here with Thad Brown tomorrow. We'll see at one pm.