1 00:00:00,800 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now move the sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 1: What's up everybody walking to move the sticks DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,720 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 1: and our pal Rhet here today as Rhett turns his 4 00:00:12,119 --> 00:00:14,400 Speaker 1: phone office. Is such a rookie move, Buck, I mean 5 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:17,960 Speaker 1: we got to constantly coach this guy up. I mean 6 00:00:18,360 --> 00:00:21,239 Speaker 1: that that happened in like real time as you were 7 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,479 Speaker 1: talking that that was an impressive a little pivot there, Bud. 8 00:00:24,680 --> 00:00:28,920 Speaker 1: But thanks for the welcome. It's great to have you. 9 00:00:29,000 --> 00:00:30,600 Speaker 1: It's great to have you. What can I say, Hey, Buck, 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:32,280 Speaker 1: why don't you tell everybody what we're what we're talking 11 00:00:32,280 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: about today? And so look, as we're getting closer to 12 00:00:34,640 --> 00:00:36,000 Speaker 1: the draft, we want to make sure that we talk 13 00:00:36,080 --> 00:00:38,440 Speaker 1: about the risers in the process to guys that are 14 00:00:38,479 --> 00:00:41,120 Speaker 1: kind of climbing up the charts. You just released your 15 00:00:41,240 --> 00:00:44,839 Speaker 1: third version of the Mock Draft, and Red has a 16 00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: little commentary on some of the things that have happened 17 00:00:47,520 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 1: of late in drafts and whether these guys were risers 18 00:00:50,159 --> 00:00:53,360 Speaker 1: or reaches when we look back at most recent draft classes. 19 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:56,240 Speaker 1: There we go. By the way, the other day, if 20 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,600 Speaker 1: you were watching Path to the Draft, h Buck, I 21 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:00,080 Speaker 1: don't know if you caught it. When I set but 22 00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:02,240 Speaker 1: we were coming out of a coming out of a segment, 23 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:06,080 Speaker 1: and uh, I referred to Rhett as Brett. I did 24 00:01:06,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: I did hear that. I was thinking that maybe you 25 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:10,560 Speaker 1: were in baseball mode you were thinking about Brett Saberhagen 26 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:12,600 Speaker 1: or something like that. But oh, yeah, it's all good. 27 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:16,520 Speaker 1: It's all good, Brett hit man heart, you know, honestly, 28 00:01:16,840 --> 00:01:20,000 Speaker 1: it's just it's the lack of respect that hurts the most. Um, 29 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:22,759 Speaker 1: I think you look a lot better as a Brett, 30 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:26,319 Speaker 1: to be totally honest with you. Okay, good to know, 31 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:28,600 Speaker 1: good to know. All right, b J, let's get a 32 00:01:28,600 --> 00:01:31,399 Speaker 1: go one. Here we go. All right, let's jump in man. 33 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: Let's uh, first of all, before we get to that stuff, 34 00:01:34,360 --> 00:01:36,560 Speaker 1: I do want to talk about Buck. I don't think 35 00:01:36,600 --> 00:01:38,280 Speaker 1: we've had a chance in the podcast to hit on this. 36 00:01:38,840 --> 00:01:42,120 Speaker 1: The challenge for these teams now that we know everybody 37 00:01:42,160 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 1: in their individual home, so for those that don't know, 38 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,920 Speaker 1: inside a regular draft room, why don't you explain on 39 00:01:48,080 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: draft day you know the number of people in there, 40 00:01:50,280 --> 00:01:52,120 Speaker 1: and just kind of how the operation works in a 41 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,200 Speaker 1: normal year. Yeah, so in in in a normal war room, 42 00:01:56,320 --> 00:01:58,560 Speaker 1: like when we get to draft weekend, you have your 43 00:01:58,600 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 1: area scals, you have your direct there's UH, you have 44 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,560 Speaker 1: your general managers, your high level executives, and then the 45 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:07,200 Speaker 1: owner ware popping on occasion and what typically goes down, 46 00:02:07,240 --> 00:02:08,880 Speaker 1: And when you're not on the clock, there's a lot 47 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,400 Speaker 1: of conversation. There's a lot of good eating UM, you're 48 00:02:12,400 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: sampling the fair and you're just kind of talking about 49 00:02:14,680 --> 00:02:17,679 Speaker 1: the scenarios. Well, the change this year and going to 50 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,760 Speaker 1: a virtual draft is you may not have the same 51 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:25,239 Speaker 1: opportunity to have some of these impromptu conversations and discussions 52 00:02:25,280 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: that go on. And also, as we've talked about UM, 53 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:32,000 Speaker 1: when it comes to trading UH trade, there's a lot 54 00:02:32,040 --> 00:02:34,280 Speaker 1: of phone calls, a lot of interaction, a lot of 55 00:02:34,760 --> 00:02:38,760 Speaker 1: UM teams checking in a if you know our guys there, 56 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:40,840 Speaker 1: we may call you. What would it take. There's a 57 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: lot of that communication that's going back and forth. And 58 00:02:43,600 --> 00:02:46,280 Speaker 1: it's also a lot of dialogue and communication with the league. 59 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:50,080 Speaker 1: And so when you're trying to do this virtually, UH, 60 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:53,440 Speaker 1: you worry about time delays, you worry about technology UM 61 00:02:53,520 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: kind of faltering and you're not being able to do it. 62 00:02:56,960 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 1: I mean, DJ, I'm trying to figure out where you 63 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: in Baltimore. Uh, the year that the Minnesota Vikings were 64 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: not able to get the pick and Baltimore jumped up 65 00:03:05,360 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 1: and got the guy that they wanted in Minnesota had 66 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:09,480 Speaker 1: to fall back. I can do you one better. I 67 00:03:09,480 --> 00:03:12,440 Speaker 1: I went to Baltimore after that draft. Right after that draft, 68 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:15,520 Speaker 1: I was working for ESPN on that draft. I was 69 00:03:15,680 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 1: helping more of those answering his phones and keeping notes 70 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:20,919 Speaker 1: and all that stuff off the side. And I'm sitting 71 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:23,160 Speaker 1: there and I believe it was in Radio City Music Hall, 72 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 1: and you're just watching the time ticked down, and You're like, 73 00:03:26,000 --> 00:03:27,640 Speaker 1: they don't have a pick in and and it was 74 00:03:27,680 --> 00:03:30,200 Speaker 1: like literally in real time watching the tables and watching 75 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 1: just running those picks up there, uh to get him in. 76 00:03:33,160 --> 00:03:36,000 Speaker 1: It was. It was the most bizarre draft experience I've 77 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: ever had. That was the Kevin Williams draft, wasn't it. Yeah, 78 00:03:39,120 --> 00:03:41,080 Speaker 1: That's when I believe they ended up with Sugs. That's 79 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:43,480 Speaker 1: when the Ravens ended up with Sugs, you know, left, 80 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: which was was who they wanted. They ended up getting Sugs. 81 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:51,880 Speaker 1: I'd say that it worked out quite well. But Buck, 82 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,160 Speaker 1: you know, it is interesting with the with the way 83 00:03:54,200 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: this thing is gonna function with everybody at home, and 84 00:03:56,560 --> 00:03:58,840 Speaker 1: I think the challenge and talking to GMS is just 85 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:01,200 Speaker 1: the trade thing that's all the worried about. And that's 86 00:04:01,200 --> 00:04:03,160 Speaker 1: why I was curious, you know, RH, I'd love to 87 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:05,640 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this to see if the league 88 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: might adjust the time in the first round or even 89 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 1: in the second, just to give him a little bit 90 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: more time, an extra minute or two to help you 91 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:15,000 Speaker 1: kind of get everybody on the same page when you're 92 00:04:15,000 --> 00:04:18,760 Speaker 1: trying to coordinate with your group, uh in all different locations, 93 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:22,680 Speaker 1: then coordinate with the team to try and coordinate a trade, 94 00:04:22,720 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 1: and then try and coordinate with the league. It's just 95 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: it's gonna be a little more involved in the process 96 00:04:28,120 --> 00:04:29,920 Speaker 1: as opposed to having everybody in one room. You know, 97 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:33,280 Speaker 1: that's a good point. The trades might might be the 98 00:04:33,320 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 1: most technologically difficult part to maneuver here. When you're talking 99 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:41,760 Speaker 1: about you've got let's say, you know, let's say your 100 00:04:41,800 --> 00:04:44,480 Speaker 1: draft room consists of ten guys, right, and you're all 101 00:04:44,480 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 1: trying to get on the same page with one zoom call, 102 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:49,159 Speaker 1: trying to figure out all right, You've got the GM 103 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,360 Speaker 1: making the calls to the other teams fielding calls as well, 104 00:04:52,839 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 1: and then try to get on one page and then 105 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:57,240 Speaker 1: have the wherewithal to then go ahead to communicate the 106 00:04:57,279 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: finished product to the league. I wonder if it's you know, 107 00:05:00,839 --> 00:05:03,760 Speaker 1: could we go back to fifteen minutes, which the first 108 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:06,040 Speaker 1: round was up until a few years ago, or or 109 00:05:06,080 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: just maybe add you know, go up to twelve minutes 110 00:05:08,160 --> 00:05:13,279 Speaker 1: or something. Anything like that would probably alleviate some of 111 00:05:13,320 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: those concerns just a little bit. Um. But the one 112 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,719 Speaker 1: thing I hope is that it doesn't result in fewer trades, 113 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,880 Speaker 1: because trades, trades is why we love the draft. All Right, 114 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:26,520 Speaker 1: they moved up? Why what happened? What did they give up? 115 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:29,080 Speaker 1: Where are they going to get? So? Um, that's one 116 00:05:29,080 --> 00:05:30,440 Speaker 1: of my favorite parts of the draft. I hope it 117 00:05:30,480 --> 00:05:33,640 Speaker 1: doesn't curb that. Yeah, and Buck, I think to give 118 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:36,680 Speaker 1: people an image, let's say, you know, let's just grab 119 00:05:36,760 --> 00:05:39,760 Speaker 1: this draft. Say you're Atlanta. You're picking six team, right, 120 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:41,960 Speaker 1: just to grab a team and a number. So all 121 00:05:42,000 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: of a sudden, the pick gets turned in from Denver, 122 00:05:44,839 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons are on the clock. Well, at that 123 00:05:47,080 --> 00:05:50,599 Speaker 1: point in time, you might have the GM get a 124 00:05:50,600 --> 00:05:53,560 Speaker 1: phone call from Minnesota. Your director of player personnel might 125 00:05:53,560 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 1: get a phone call from Miami. Another phone. You click 126 00:05:56,640 --> 00:05:58,920 Speaker 1: over and there's there's Philadelphia on the phone. You've got 127 00:05:58,960 --> 00:06:02,520 Speaker 1: three teams. You're trying to talk with three teams, get 128 00:06:02,560 --> 00:06:05,320 Speaker 1: their best offer, figure out do we want to trade 129 00:06:05,320 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: back looking at charts, and then try and coordinate all 130 00:06:08,000 --> 00:06:09,880 Speaker 1: that with those teams with your own group, and then 131 00:06:09,920 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 1: get it to the league. I mean, that's one thing 132 00:06:11,839 --> 00:06:15,040 Speaker 1: when we're all sitting here together and we can just go, Okay, 133 00:06:15,080 --> 00:06:17,200 Speaker 1: this is what they've got, this is what Minnesota offered, 134 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,400 Speaker 1: this is what Philly offered, and we can boom do it. 135 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 1: It's another thing when it's difficult, when you've got a 136 00:06:21,480 --> 00:06:23,680 Speaker 1: bay of monitors with all these different faces in it, 137 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:26,080 Speaker 1: trying to coordinate all that. Well, that's the other thing 138 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:29,200 Speaker 1: to DJ because, um, we've always had the luxury of 139 00:06:29,240 --> 00:06:31,960 Speaker 1: having a central phone line or two where everyone knew 140 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:34,560 Speaker 1: exactly what number they needed to call if they wanted 141 00:06:34,560 --> 00:06:37,279 Speaker 1: to get uh whatever the red line to to the 142 00:06:37,320 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: general manager, to be able to have those conversations. Now 143 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: with everyone working remotely, how did those duties change Because 144 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,359 Speaker 1: there were certain people that were signed to the phone, 145 00:06:46,400 --> 00:06:48,120 Speaker 1: there are other people assigned to the phones to call 146 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:50,680 Speaker 1: the prospects. Uh, you had the medical team that was 147 00:06:50,720 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 1: around so you could reference them. I mean, you're trying 148 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,400 Speaker 1: to coordinate a lot of different things remotely and everyone 149 00:06:57,560 --> 00:07:00,440 Speaker 1: working from the house with the challenges of all working 150 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:02,800 Speaker 1: at home when you have your family and kids and 151 00:07:02,880 --> 00:07:05,479 Speaker 1: dogs and all the other stuff running around. I don't 152 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: envy him. I know people have made it like, oh, 153 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,560 Speaker 1: it's just like a fantasy draft, but there's so many 154 00:07:09,600 --> 00:07:14,560 Speaker 1: more layers. Can I can I give you? Can I 155 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 1: give you one thought here, because you just brought up 156 00:07:16,400 --> 00:07:18,640 Speaker 1: a good point. You know, if you have your family 157 00:07:18,640 --> 00:07:20,960 Speaker 1: and your kids and dogs and all kinds of stuff 158 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: going on, if it is a truly a stay at 159 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: home order, right, but could you could you um rent 160 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:32,080 Speaker 1: an apartment or rent a you know, a different place 161 00:07:32,080 --> 00:07:34,560 Speaker 1: and and just set that up almost as your own 162 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:38,120 Speaker 1: home office slash war room. You're technically in your home. 163 00:07:38,120 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: It's just one of your homes. You're not not you know, 164 00:07:40,120 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: just confining your original residence. I just wonder if some teams, 165 00:07:43,600 --> 00:07:46,040 Speaker 1: if you know, if you've got a bunch of distractions 166 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 1: around you and and you feel like that would help you 167 00:07:47,680 --> 00:07:51,600 Speaker 1: execute it better. I'm sure that's permissible, right, I mean, 168 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:53,680 Speaker 1: under the letter of the rule just you're at home. 169 00:07:53,760 --> 00:07:55,920 Speaker 1: You're at a home. Well, I mean we can't have 170 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: a fred house probably, yeah, getting in different different little rooms. 171 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,760 Speaker 1: And you know how l A and California living is. 172 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: You have a guest house in the back. And maybe 173 00:08:07,160 --> 00:08:09,640 Speaker 1: I'm the general manager, but I have a guesthouse that 174 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:12,240 Speaker 1: I just happen to have some guests that weekend. Kato Kaylin. 175 00:08:12,320 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: It's the Kato Kaylin Draft Room. Oh boy, that's a 176 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:21,840 Speaker 1: little cool house. All right, let's but before we get 177 00:08:21,880 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 1: to the mock draft here, I do want to talk 178 00:08:23,200 --> 00:08:24,760 Speaker 1: about some of these guys that are rising up through 179 00:08:24,800 --> 00:08:26,880 Speaker 1: the process. So I'm gonna give you a list of 180 00:08:26,960 --> 00:08:30,320 Speaker 1: names that just um, I'm hearing more about as we 181 00:08:30,400 --> 00:08:32,800 Speaker 1: as we kind of come down the clothes and starts 182 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: with Isaiah Wilson from from Georgia, who is a hulking 183 00:08:36,400 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: tackle on the opposite side of Andrew Thomas. Came out early, Buck, 184 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:42,080 Speaker 1: I'm sure you remember him from high school, coming from 185 00:08:42,120 --> 00:08:45,520 Speaker 1: Brooklyn um big time, big time recruit. I still think 186 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,720 Speaker 1: very raw, even though he's played a lot of football there. 187 00:08:48,120 --> 00:08:50,000 Speaker 1: Uh he's a little bit top heavy, but man, he 188 00:08:50,120 --> 00:08:52,880 Speaker 1: is massive and uh it moves pretty well and teams. 189 00:08:53,000 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: I've talked to a bunch of gms that that swear 190 00:08:54,960 --> 00:08:56,679 Speaker 1: to me, this kid will go in the first round, 191 00:08:57,080 --> 00:09:00,480 Speaker 1: more than likely in the twenties. Damon Arnett in Ohio 192 00:09:00,600 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: State is a corner who is getting a lot of 193 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:04,840 Speaker 1: juice coming down the stretch here. Ran in the mid 194 00:09:04,840 --> 00:09:08,160 Speaker 1: four fives, but just really competitive, uh, and a good player, 195 00:09:08,240 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 1: so I keep an eye on him. We've talked about 196 00:09:09,840 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 1: Willie Gay, the linebacker from Mississippi State. We've talked about 197 00:09:13,679 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: him a bunch on the podcast, but he can fly 198 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,440 Speaker 1: mid four fours. The off the field stuff was more 199 00:09:18,480 --> 00:09:21,720 Speaker 1: academic related, and teams have felt good about his interviews. 200 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: So he's he's one that's making a push. And then 201 00:09:25,080 --> 00:09:27,720 Speaker 1: I'll go to another linebacker that um kind of coming 202 00:09:27,800 --> 00:09:31,200 Speaker 1: through the end of the process here, uh, Joe Batchy 203 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: from from Michigan State is uh is getting a little 204 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:36,520 Speaker 1: bit of love here as we come down the home stretch. 205 00:09:36,679 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: Somebody that um just real instinctive. UM. He had a 206 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: suspension in two thousand nineteen for p E. D. S UM, 207 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:46,920 Speaker 1: but I guess teams have grown more comfortable with his 208 00:09:46,960 --> 00:09:50,000 Speaker 1: whole situation. But very instinctive, just a good football player 209 00:09:50,080 --> 00:09:52,480 Speaker 1: ran four six seven, so, uh, the kind of speed 210 00:09:52,520 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: you're looking for at the position. He's another one. And 211 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:56,360 Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's not going in the first or 212 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: second round, but somebody that I think was viewed more 213 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:00,920 Speaker 1: as a back half guy who maybe in that mid 214 00:10:01,000 --> 00:10:04,680 Speaker 1: round discussion. Now uh DJ. It's interesting about the Isaiah 215 00:10:04,720 --> 00:10:08,760 Speaker 1: Wilson conversation is because I think this would typically happen 216 00:10:08,800 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: around this time of the year in the draft process 217 00:10:11,480 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: because there's been so many underclassmen that have come out. 218 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,959 Speaker 1: Sometimes it takes a while for everyone to catch up 219 00:10:18,080 --> 00:10:21,240 Speaker 1: with those guys. And not so much that Isaiah Wilson 220 00:10:21,280 --> 00:10:23,480 Speaker 1: got lost in the sauce, but by the time the 221 00:10:23,559 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 1: Combine came, you only had probably like a month from 222 00:10:27,000 --> 00:10:29,800 Speaker 1: the end of Georgia's season to the Combine, so you 223 00:10:29,840 --> 00:10:32,480 Speaker 1: may not have been fully up to speed. We normally 224 00:10:32,520 --> 00:10:35,600 Speaker 1: would have started hearing about these names during pro days 225 00:10:35,840 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: because scouts get together, they begin to have those conversations. 226 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:41,800 Speaker 1: So what we're going to see now these names that 227 00:10:41,840 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 1: you're mentioning, people are just now getting their arms around. 228 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 1: Everybody did in the class, and that's why we're hearing 229 00:10:49,640 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 1: these guys that are late risers where Really it's more 230 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:57,679 Speaker 1: so they're becoming more nationally known. Generally, generally what happens 231 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,960 Speaker 1: around this time of year, we get a little bit close, 232 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,520 Speaker 1: so we start hearing a little bit more about some 233 00:11:01,559 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 1: of these guys, and that's kind of what determines a 234 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:07,920 Speaker 1: riser in our in our landscape here right, Hey, question 235 00:11:07,960 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: on Wilson though, I mean, Andrew, you still expect Thomas 236 00:11:11,200 --> 00:11:13,960 Speaker 1: to come off the board first. There are people in 237 00:11:13,960 --> 00:11:16,440 Speaker 1: the league that believe there's a chance Isaiah Wilson gets 238 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:19,560 Speaker 1: picked before his teammate. I don't. I don't think that 239 00:11:19,600 --> 00:11:22,559 Speaker 1: will happen. I think Thomas will will be picked before him. 240 00:11:22,559 --> 00:11:24,839 Speaker 1: But it's a discussion, um, and I've had with several 241 00:11:24,840 --> 00:11:27,680 Speaker 1: personnel guys over the last week, so it's that that 242 00:11:27,800 --> 00:11:29,440 Speaker 1: gap might be a little bit closer than you think. 243 00:11:29,520 --> 00:11:31,880 Speaker 1: So well, we'll see what happens. He's not he's not 244 00:11:31,960 --> 00:11:34,040 Speaker 1: one of my top five tackles, so that's that's too 245 00:11:34,080 --> 00:11:36,480 Speaker 1: early for me. But again, that's where that's what you 246 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:38,160 Speaker 1: hear around league. One of the guy I will mention 247 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: and this is UH. And I don't just do this 248 00:11:40,280 --> 00:11:42,760 Speaker 1: because rts on here Buck, because he is the official 249 00:11:43,200 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: UH flag bearer for for Conference USA uh Legarius need 250 00:11:48,360 --> 00:11:51,800 Speaker 1: from from Louisiana Tech, who I watched him as a 251 00:11:51,840 --> 00:11:54,160 Speaker 1: safety and he ran four three seven. I watched him 252 00:11:54,160 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: as a safety. I didn't love him. And then people 253 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:57,760 Speaker 1: I talked to a bunch of folks that go back 254 00:11:57,760 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 1: and watch him as a corner of the previous year, 255 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:01,840 Speaker 1: back and watch him as a corner, and you start 256 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:04,560 Speaker 1: to see some of that athleticism in those traits. And 257 00:12:04,640 --> 00:12:07,400 Speaker 1: when you've got a tall corner that's four three seven, um, 258 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 1: that also can cross train and be a safety, you 259 00:12:09,960 --> 00:12:12,720 Speaker 1: can see why buck Guys like this are guys that 260 00:12:12,760 --> 00:12:15,839 Speaker 1: start really really grabbing people's attention. Yeah. So so how 261 00:12:15,840 --> 00:12:19,600 Speaker 1: about that? I mean Louisiana Tech having a loaded secondary 262 00:12:19,600 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: where they can have maybe three guys that have an 263 00:12:21,520 --> 00:12:24,600 Speaker 1: opportunity to play at the next level. UM, that's really interesting. 264 00:12:24,640 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: I want to go back to Damon Arnette though, because 265 00:12:26,960 --> 00:12:30,280 Speaker 1: it is interesting how and we talked about the biases 266 00:12:30,320 --> 00:12:33,320 Speaker 1: that can prevent us from really respecting good players. Damon 267 00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,240 Speaker 1: Arnette didn't really run what everyone thought he was going 268 00:12:36,280 --> 00:12:39,000 Speaker 1: to run. But I'm looking at my nose, DJ and 269 00:12:39,040 --> 00:12:42,439 Speaker 1: I have down under old gradst system like a mid 270 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:44,920 Speaker 1: second round grade. I have a six five plus in 271 00:12:45,080 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: my thing, and I'm looking discipline, corner, good feet, balanced 272 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:54,200 Speaker 1: body control, good technician, bail off, great eyes, leverage. But 273 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 1: because we get swayed during the track meat portion of 274 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: the year, guys like that kind the fall to the 275 00:13:01,040 --> 00:13:03,840 Speaker 1: back of the pack. And I think it takes everybody 276 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,840 Speaker 1: kind of reconvening having these meetings leaning on the area scout. 277 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 1: Is there anybody that we're missing when we look at 278 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:13,480 Speaker 1: the board, is there anybody that were too low on 279 00:13:14,000 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 1: Let's have that conversation and discussion now. And some of 280 00:13:17,320 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: the late risers are guys that have been saved by 281 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:24,280 Speaker 1: having these conversations. So I think that's an interesting point 282 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:26,520 Speaker 1: that you make there. And just one more that I'll 283 00:13:26,520 --> 00:13:31,240 Speaker 1: make on snead Um. You know he played exclusively at 284 00:13:31,320 --> 00:13:34,079 Speaker 1: corner in the nfl p A game in the All 285 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 1: Star Game in January, so coming off playing safety his 286 00:13:37,880 --> 00:13:41,600 Speaker 1: final year attack, he went back to corner for all 287 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:44,280 Speaker 1: of the scouts and the evaluators there to see and Bucky, 288 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,920 Speaker 1: you remember, Um, John Lynch was the only general manager 289 00:13:48,000 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: that showed up the practice at the nflp A game. 290 00:13:50,480 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: It was he was going. He was on his way 291 00:13:52,080 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: down to I think either to St. Pete or Tampa 292 00:13:54,960 --> 00:13:57,280 Speaker 1: for the East West or eventually a mobile for the 293 00:13:57,280 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 1: Senior Bowl. But he sat down with Leagarius Sneed for 294 00:14:03,120 --> 00:14:07,120 Speaker 1: about twenty minutes after practice, just on the bench talking, um, 295 00:14:07,320 --> 00:14:09,160 Speaker 1: kind of a guy that a guy like John Lynch 296 00:14:09,240 --> 00:14:13,360 Speaker 1: might appreciate their dB um with that kind of mindset 297 00:14:13,400 --> 00:14:15,680 Speaker 1: and that kind of cross train ability. And of course 298 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 1: you know, I love with Meet Robertson the quarter there. Um. 299 00:14:18,720 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: Meet Robertson is like literally, I meet Robertson and Buck 300 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:23,560 Speaker 1: we'll do this, uh in a podcast right before the 301 00:14:23,640 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: draft where we do a kind of our Red Star guys. 302 00:14:25,760 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: I meet Robertson spoiler alert, he's he's definitely on the 303 00:14:28,760 --> 00:14:32,760 Speaker 1: podium for me when it comes to Red Star. You're you're, you're, 304 00:14:32,800 --> 00:14:37,520 Speaker 1: you're all in. Yeah. Colin Johnson, I can show you 305 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:39,360 Speaker 1: the play. I mean it's the it's the first or 306 00:14:39,360 --> 00:14:41,960 Speaker 1: second play against Texas. Colin Johnson at six ft six 307 00:14:42,240 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 1: meet Robertson at little under five nine, and he just 308 00:14:45,120 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: chokes him at the line of scrimmage and I went, okay, 309 00:14:47,280 --> 00:14:50,040 Speaker 1: I mean you're off, this little dude, and he's got 310 00:14:50,080 --> 00:14:51,880 Speaker 1: so much production. But anyways, well we'll get the red 311 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,240 Speaker 1: stars on a later episode. Rhet. I know you had 312 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: a homework assignment and you went back and on this 313 00:14:56,920 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 1: whole thought of guys that came up late in the process. 314 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: You came up with an idea, is a great idea, 315 00:15:01,560 --> 00:15:03,680 Speaker 1: trying to differentiate where these guys risers are, where these 316 00:15:03,680 --> 00:15:05,880 Speaker 1: guys reaches. So why don't you run through some of 317 00:15:05,880 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: those names? Yeah? Here, Look, I went actually went all 318 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: the way back to and uh. I was looking at 319 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, and I think a lot of times we 320 00:15:11,760 --> 00:15:14,560 Speaker 1: find this in the later later half of the first round, 321 00:15:14,560 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: even like two especially, so like I go back and 322 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:22,480 Speaker 1: look at a guy like Damarius Randall at number thirty 323 00:15:23,000 --> 00:15:25,880 Speaker 1: the Packers. Maybe not something we expected at the tail 324 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:28,240 Speaker 1: end of the first round, right, I'm not even sure 325 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: if he was in that Riser first round conversation, um, 326 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: but maybe the way the first round played out, Packers 327 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 1: felt like they had to get him there and then 328 00:15:36,240 --> 00:15:39,800 Speaker 1: a reach that year maybe lake in Tomlinson to the 329 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,600 Speaker 1: Lions the Guard. Does that make sense? Yeah, that's an 330 00:15:43,600 --> 00:15:47,400 Speaker 1: interesting one because I had got wind of that, so 331 00:15:47,440 --> 00:15:48,960 Speaker 1: I had him in the first round. But I don't 332 00:15:49,000 --> 00:15:50,040 Speaker 1: remember who I had I don't know if I had 333 00:15:50,080 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: him to the team or not, but I had him 334 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,480 Speaker 1: going in the very late first round because I believe 335 00:15:54,480 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: he had some good workouts and I know teams have 336 00:15:56,800 --> 00:15:59,240 Speaker 1: been impressed with him in the meetings. But that Bucky, 337 00:15:59,320 --> 00:16:02,080 Speaker 1: that's a class case of At the time and for 338 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:05,240 Speaker 1: his career in Detroit, we would have said reach. But 339 00:16:05,640 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: then he's about playing like a first round, first round 340 00:16:09,560 --> 00:16:12,160 Speaker 1: pick on a super Bowl caliber team. Yeah, it is 341 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:14,520 Speaker 1: all about like, uh, the pick. And it goes back 342 00:16:14,520 --> 00:16:16,520 Speaker 1: to a conversation we had a couple of weeks ago 343 00:16:16,640 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: with UH first round is and why it's always important 344 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 1: that you always kind of bring those guys in if 345 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,920 Speaker 1: they've been dispatched in their first place, because you just 346 00:16:24,040 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: never know, UH coaching staff environment might not have been 347 00:16:27,680 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: conducive to bring into talent to the surface. Thomason goes 348 00:16:30,920 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: to another team, another coaching staff, a scheme that better 349 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:36,280 Speaker 1: suits his skills, and he's the start on a super 350 00:16:36,280 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 1: Bowl team. And so it is one is one of 351 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,920 Speaker 1: those things where it's really really important that for a 352 00:16:42,000 --> 00:16:45,800 Speaker 1: league where of the players are system players, they have 353 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,000 Speaker 1: to go to the right system to really allow that 354 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:51,880 Speaker 1: potential to blossom the talent that we see or that 355 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 1: we speculate seeing when we evaluate them. A couple more. 356 00:16:55,280 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: I'll get too through these pretty quick here. In this 357 00:16:58,400 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: one I thought was a great definition of a late riser, 358 00:17:01,400 --> 00:17:04,960 Speaker 1: at least in our circles. Kean O'Neil at number seventeen 359 00:17:04,960 --> 00:17:07,520 Speaker 1: to the Falcons in the first round really kind of 360 00:17:07,560 --> 00:17:09,720 Speaker 1: came on late in the process and started getting mocked 361 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,440 Speaker 1: into the first round and then reached that year probably 362 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: probably gonna go with Josh Garnett at the Guard out 363 00:17:15,480 --> 00:17:18,480 Speaker 1: of Stanford, the Niners. Yeah, that was that Coffee was 364 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:21,560 Speaker 1: way rich on Josh Garnett um and that one I remember. 365 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 1: I remember going on Colin Cowherd the day after that 366 00:17:24,560 --> 00:17:26,720 Speaker 1: first round, so we did the first round. I go 367 00:17:26,760 --> 00:17:28,679 Speaker 1: on his show the next day and he said, I 368 00:17:28,720 --> 00:17:30,959 Speaker 1: love what the I love what the forty Niners did. 369 00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 1: La Da da Dad, And I said, oh man, I said, 370 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't get on board with the Josh 371 00:17:36,280 --> 00:17:39,159 Speaker 1: way too rich, but I do. I remember sitting in 372 00:17:39,200 --> 00:17:41,679 Speaker 1: the trailer doing that as you're getting ready for the 373 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 1: next day of the draft. But uh, yeah, he was 374 00:17:43,800 --> 00:17:46,960 Speaker 1: definitely he was definitely a reach with that one. You 375 00:17:46,960 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: haven't any more. Red. Yeah, I'm gonna get one to you. 376 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,639 Speaker 1: Um boy, you guys. I remember going back to Corey 377 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:56,600 Speaker 1: Davis never ran a forty, Remember he was hurt, but 378 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 1: he had all those highlight reel catches and then he 379 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: ends up going five overall to the Titans in I mean, look, 380 00:18:03,320 --> 00:18:06,879 Speaker 1: the biggest riser maybe ever was Patrick Mahomes right coming 381 00:18:06,960 --> 00:18:11,040 Speaker 1: up with the Chiefs moving up from to ten um. 382 00:18:11,080 --> 00:18:15,200 Speaker 1: Maybe reached that year. Taco Charlton again to the Cowboys 383 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 1: that seems to be reached territory at eight um. How 384 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,399 Speaker 1: about Frank rag Now as a riser late in the 385 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: process getting into the first round the Center out of 386 00:18:24,480 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: Arkansas going to the Lions, and then Terrell Edmonds. I 387 00:18:28,240 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: mean it almost felt like guys like the steeplers are like, wait, 388 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:36,680 Speaker 1: he's here in the building. Let's pick it right, I could. 389 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:39,359 Speaker 1: I mean, I'll get to both two stories quickly on 390 00:18:39,400 --> 00:18:41,320 Speaker 1: these guys, and I get buck on this. But um, 391 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 1: rag Now. So I get to the drafting city. I 392 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: believe that year was Dallas. I want to say was 393 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:50,000 Speaker 1: the rag Now year? Um, but we are about we're 394 00:18:50,040 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 1: about three days before the draft, and uh, I go 395 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:56,280 Speaker 1: out to dinner with Mayak and we're starting and we're 396 00:18:56,280 --> 00:18:59,320 Speaker 1: talking about different players and different guys, and he goes 397 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 1: I said something. I said, say, I'm hearing some buzz 398 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 1: about rag now late in the process, but I just 399 00:19:05,280 --> 00:19:06,840 Speaker 1: I watched. I was not a fan. I was not 400 00:19:06,880 --> 00:19:09,120 Speaker 1: a huge fan of him. And he's like, he's like, well, 401 00:19:09,160 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: you know he had the you know, high ankle or 402 00:19:11,119 --> 00:19:13,399 Speaker 1: some type of an injury that he had in in 403 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,800 Speaker 1: like these two or three games. Which games did you watch? Well? 404 00:19:15,840 --> 00:19:18,120 Speaker 1: The games that I watched were the games he was 405 00:19:18,280 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: not healthy at all, and it was so I'm like, crap, 406 00:19:21,200 --> 00:19:22,879 Speaker 1: We're three days out from the draft. So I go 407 00:19:23,000 --> 00:19:25,560 Speaker 1: back to the hotel that night watch all of his 408 00:19:25,640 --> 00:19:27,760 Speaker 1: healthy games. So I end up I think I made 409 00:19:27,840 --> 00:19:31,040 Speaker 1: him like my forty player, like two days before the draft. 410 00:19:31,040 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: That put him in my top fifty. Uh. And then 411 00:19:33,440 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: he ends up he ends up being a first round pick, 412 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:36,960 Speaker 1: and I thought he ended up being a second round pick. 413 00:19:37,040 --> 00:19:39,480 Speaker 1: But it was any tind of information you can get, 414 00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:41,560 Speaker 1: you've got to act on it. So that was him. 415 00:19:41,600 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: And then the other one that you mentioned with Corey 416 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:48,040 Speaker 1: Davis Buck do you remember a video circulated of him 417 00:19:48,240 --> 00:19:51,600 Speaker 1: running routes um late in the process, So while he 418 00:19:51,600 --> 00:19:53,800 Speaker 1: didn't get a forty end, they were able to get 419 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,679 Speaker 1: in a bubble somewhere and shot video of him running 420 00:19:56,760 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: routes catching balls, and so I think that kind of 421 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:02,240 Speaker 1: gave a little bit of comfort to those worried about 422 00:20:02,240 --> 00:20:04,919 Speaker 1: his injury. And also with Corey Davis, the thing was 423 00:20:05,640 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: Jerry Sullivan, longtime NFL wide receiver coach, was working with 424 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 1: him and Jerry Sullivan could act as his voice and 425 00:20:12,920 --> 00:20:17,040 Speaker 1: kind of swear by Corey Davis. Um. I've gotten a 426 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: phone call from Jerry on Justin Jefferson, and Justin Jefferson 427 00:20:20,320 --> 00:20:23,159 Speaker 1: is the guy that he is advocating and really pushing 428 00:20:23,520 --> 00:20:25,720 Speaker 1: as the number one and he believes that Justin Jefferson 429 00:20:25,760 --> 00:20:28,280 Speaker 1: could be and will be the best wide receiver in 430 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:31,120 Speaker 1: the draft based on his interactions with him a year 431 00:20:31,119 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: ago when he was the wide receiver coach down to 432 00:20:33,359 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: l s u UM. I do think it's interesting when 433 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:39,239 Speaker 1: we talk about the hip situations with UH to a 434 00:20:39,240 --> 00:20:42,119 Speaker 1: tongue of our law, we have in recent years seeing 435 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:45,600 Speaker 1: some guys that have had um some injury issues that 436 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,840 Speaker 1: we may not have fully gotten gotten resolved heading into 437 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,080 Speaker 1: the draft. I think the differences with two of them. 438 00:20:53,119 --> 00:20:57,159 Speaker 1: Because of the COVID nineteen situation, we haven't had our 439 00:20:57,200 --> 00:20:59,640 Speaker 1: opportunity to put our hands on him and really get 440 00:20:59,680 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: that that final check off where everybody else from BOSSA 441 00:21:03,880 --> 00:21:09,119 Speaker 1: to Davis to others had that full UH evaluation in 442 00:21:09,240 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: check where your team could feel good about what they 443 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,639 Speaker 1: were getting. I think to a situation is just so 444 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,439 Speaker 1: different because you can see the videos and the like, 445 00:21:17,640 --> 00:21:19,959 Speaker 1: but and two you can really sit down across from 446 00:21:20,040 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 1: him and put him on the table. You just don't know, 447 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,200 Speaker 1: and I think the unknown scares a lot of people. Yeah, 448 00:21:25,280 --> 00:21:27,840 Speaker 1: and Rhett for those that don't know, we do have 449 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: the two A Tongue of Valoa UH three sixty episode 450 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:33,320 Speaker 1: coming next week. So we have a talk with Trent 451 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,360 Speaker 1: Dilfer and he gets into a lot of the health 452 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 1: situation and where he's at physically. Obviously it's not Dr Dilfer, 453 00:21:38,600 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: so take it with a grain of salt, but it 454 00:21:40,560 --> 00:21:42,440 Speaker 1: gives us a little insight to where he is right now. 455 00:21:42,760 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 1: Sure um and then just around it out like Darnell 456 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: Savage was so much of a riser that it was 457 00:21:48,000 --> 00:21:50,000 Speaker 1: no shock when he went off the board of the 458 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:51,800 Speaker 1: Packers last year at twenty one that he was going 459 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 1: to be the first safety off the board there and 460 00:21:54,520 --> 00:21:56,360 Speaker 1: then you know, l J. Collier felt like that maybe 461 00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: a little bit of a reach there with the Seahawks 462 00:21:57,920 --> 00:21:59,680 Speaker 1: at the end of the first round, but may turn 463 00:21:59,720 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: out to be. We just haven't seen a whole lot 464 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 1: of them, man. I don't know, Like I had a 465 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:04,520 Speaker 1: tough time with the l J. Car you think, and 466 00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:08,320 Speaker 1: I was trying to give him. I just didn't see 467 00:22:09,040 --> 00:22:12,159 Speaker 1: any special stuff off tape. He was a big power player, 468 00:22:12,680 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 1: and so I could understand like when when they talked 469 00:22:15,080 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: about like, hey, they're gonna put him down and he 470 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: was gonna kind of be there based in and those things. 471 00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,680 Speaker 1: I just didn't see like a high end player on 472 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,000 Speaker 1: that and he look, look it's only the first year. 473 00:22:26,040 --> 00:22:29,160 Speaker 1: He could obviously turn it around. But you talk about 474 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:31,480 Speaker 1: rises and reaches. To me, Dad did feel like a 475 00:22:31,480 --> 00:22:33,040 Speaker 1: bit of a reach. Yeah. I think he was like 476 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: my fifty seventh or fifty eight player, um, and he 477 00:22:36,160 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: went in the bottom of one. So yeah, that at 478 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: the time, and we'll see time, he's got time to 479 00:22:40,680 --> 00:22:42,320 Speaker 1: kind of turn this thing around. They just thinking about 480 00:22:42,320 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Side note as a Seahawks for an organization 481 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,439 Speaker 1: that consistently wins. I mean, they were able to to 482 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:50,960 Speaker 1: do a smooth rebuild without having to go down to 483 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:53,840 Speaker 1: the toilet. Um. But you can look at some of 484 00:22:53,840 --> 00:22:56,439 Speaker 1: their first round picks over the years, buck and it 485 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: is not good. Man. They've had a handful of swings 486 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: and Mrs for sure had Rashod Penny as a reach 487 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,919 Speaker 1: or riser. Not sure yet. Um he had the injury 488 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:07,080 Speaker 1: last year after he had kind of started to play 489 00:23:07,119 --> 00:23:10,000 Speaker 1: pretty well. Um, but I think at the time I 490 00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: thought it was a little bit of a reach. But no, 491 00:23:11,640 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: it's it's It's interesting. What they've done, though, is they've 492 00:23:13,800 --> 00:23:15,480 Speaker 1: they've been able to trade back and get a bunch 493 00:23:15,520 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: of picks, and they've hit on a ton of middle 494 00:23:17,160 --> 00:23:19,640 Speaker 1: round picks and not just like good players, like great 495 00:23:19,720 --> 00:23:22,440 Speaker 1: players in that range. They've done really well with middle 496 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:26,879 Speaker 1: rounders and undrafted free agents and uh pete. Their coaching 497 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:29,160 Speaker 1: staff has done a really good job of developing their players. 498 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,240 Speaker 1: I think they have one of the best development plans, 499 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,320 Speaker 1: um that that you can find when it comes to 500 00:23:34,400 --> 00:23:37,359 Speaker 1: getting guys wherever they are and getting them ready to 501 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,520 Speaker 1: play over the course of the season. When you look 502 00:23:39,560 --> 00:23:42,480 Speaker 1: at their team, they're young guys begin to start playing 503 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: weeks ten, eleven, and twelve, and they're ready for the opportunity. So, DJ, 504 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,280 Speaker 1: you want to get into the mock draft here, mock draft. 505 00:23:48,680 --> 00:23:51,960 Speaker 1: Let's let's jump in here, mock draft and kind of 506 00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 1: go through I'll go through uh ten at a time 507 00:23:55,240 --> 00:23:57,639 Speaker 1: here and then kind of give you the highlights, and 508 00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,760 Speaker 1: then why don't you guys jump on wherever you want 509 00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,880 Speaker 1: to have to hit on here, Buck, uh and rhet. 510 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: So I've got Burrow going to Cincinnati the top three, 511 00:24:04,359 --> 00:24:06,640 Speaker 1: Burrow young in Okuda. I think a lot of people 512 00:24:06,680 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 1: have had that for a while now, and maybe that 513 00:24:09,320 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: could shake up with the trade, but I wanted to 514 00:24:11,359 --> 00:24:14,120 Speaker 1: keep it clean on this one. No trades. Um. Then 515 00:24:14,200 --> 00:24:17,160 Speaker 1: you get to four with the Giants, which was Worfs, 516 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,760 Speaker 1: which to me just felt like Dave Gettleman. Worfs is 517 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:22,600 Speaker 1: like a brand stock Buck always likes talking about Warren 518 00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,040 Speaker 1: Buffett and kind of, you know, making sure you're getting 519 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:28,120 Speaker 1: stuff that's reliable, dependable, you know what you're getting. Um, 520 00:24:28,160 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 1: I think that is worse. I don't think he's the 521 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: best tackle in the draft, but I think it probably 522 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 1: you could make a case he's the safest tackle in 523 00:24:34,720 --> 00:24:39,080 Speaker 1: the draft. UM. With everything considered the five six, I 524 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,960 Speaker 1: do believe Herbert into a will go to the Dolphins 525 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 1: or the in the Chargers. I don't know who's going 526 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,480 Speaker 1: to go to who. UM. We've been discussing this and 527 00:24:46,520 --> 00:24:48,639 Speaker 1: debating this for a long time. I just know it. 528 00:24:48,720 --> 00:24:52,120 Speaker 1: At Herbert's pro day, they were well represented UM and 529 00:24:52,160 --> 00:24:54,359 Speaker 1: they've had a chance to do the entire work up 530 00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:57,640 Speaker 1: on Herbert. So that's why I had Herbert going over 531 00:24:57,680 --> 00:24:59,960 Speaker 1: two of five six. And then we had Derek Brown 532 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:03,879 Speaker 1: into Carolina. Will's the tackle to Arizona. Beckton is a 533 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,600 Speaker 1: little bit of a surprise going to Jacksonville. But the 534 00:25:06,640 --> 00:25:08,439 Speaker 1: reason I had that is because it allows him to 535 00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:11,000 Speaker 1: get better at two spots. You can kick Cam Robinson 536 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:13,399 Speaker 1: inside to guard Cam Robinson struggled a little bit, and 537 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,400 Speaker 1: then he'll be better suited inside. So you get better 538 00:25:15,400 --> 00:25:17,160 Speaker 1: at the guard spot, you get better at the tackle 539 00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 1: spot with Beckton and uh and I think that's why 540 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,600 Speaker 1: it makes sense with that pick there. And then Cleveland 541 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:25,879 Speaker 1: at ten was a situation buck where Isaiah Simmons just 542 00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:27,560 Speaker 1: kind of fell into their lap even though they need 543 00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:31,360 Speaker 1: another tackle. I think he'd be too good to pass up. Yeah. 544 00:25:30,640 --> 00:25:34,080 Speaker 1: I think with Isaiah Simmons they would have to take him. 545 00:25:34,119 --> 00:25:35,639 Speaker 1: I think this is a situation where you have to 546 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:37,679 Speaker 1: take the best player that's available, and then you have 547 00:25:37,720 --> 00:25:41,040 Speaker 1: to figure it out with your defensive staff. And um, 548 00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: we've talked about I think we talked about it on 549 00:25:42,760 --> 00:25:44,880 Speaker 1: the program in terms of you gotta build your team 550 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,359 Speaker 1: to win your division, and because the Baltimore Ravens are 551 00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:51,560 Speaker 1: so formidable with Lamar Jackson and that running game, you 552 00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,520 Speaker 1: have to figure out a way to have someone that 553 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 1: can neutralize Lamar Jackson as a runner. Isaiah Simmons does 554 00:25:57,520 --> 00:25:59,240 Speaker 1: one thing that we know he does really well. He 555 00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:01,080 Speaker 1: is athletic. You can run and chase. He could do 556 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:02,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of different things when it comes to blizzing 557 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:05,720 Speaker 1: and covering. I think he would be the perfect Lamar 558 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:08,879 Speaker 1: Jackson uh eraser, And I think if he's their attend 559 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 1: the Browns have to run the card up. Yeah. Look, 560 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,880 Speaker 1: I I look at number three accruded to the Lions 561 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:18,119 Speaker 1: and I just, you know, I don't understand what they 562 00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: had to do with Darius Slay. I'm just wondering how 563 00:26:21,000 --> 00:26:24,200 Speaker 1: losing one top flight corner and then using your number 564 00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 1: three pick to bring in a replacement makes them any 565 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,719 Speaker 1: better than they were a year ago. Um, you know 566 00:26:28,760 --> 00:26:31,600 Speaker 1: they're still they're still down one side of the field 567 00:26:31,800 --> 00:26:34,280 Speaker 1: there with the corner, you know what I mean? Um, 568 00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:36,119 Speaker 1: but look, I get that that's something they they have 569 00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080 Speaker 1: to do. And then look, I think obviously the meat 570 00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:41,600 Speaker 1: on the bone here is is Herbert ahead of Toad? Yeah? 571 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,080 Speaker 1: And I think that this is a possibility. I don't 572 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:46,680 Speaker 1: think this is the crazy you know, throwing something against 573 00:26:46,680 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 1: the wall. I just think you have, um a situation 574 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:51,680 Speaker 1: where there's a lot of unknown with Tah and there's 575 00:26:51,720 --> 00:26:54,120 Speaker 1: a lot of known with Herbert. Now it's it's it's 576 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:56,479 Speaker 1: like that what was the game? Was it? Let's make 577 00:26:56,520 --> 00:26:59,199 Speaker 1: a deal? Or whatever is behind board number one? Literally 578 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,440 Speaker 1: it's like you you can have this dishwasher which is Herbert, 579 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:05,520 Speaker 1: you can see exactly what it is. Or do you 580 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,919 Speaker 1: want what's behind door number two or Kurt number two 581 00:27:08,000 --> 00:27:09,920 Speaker 1: whatever they said on that show, because that's too you 582 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: don't know exactly what you're getting there. So it could 583 00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 1: be a week trip to the Bahamas. Uh, it could 584 00:27:16,000 --> 00:27:19,560 Speaker 1: be a broom you know, I don't know. Uh, Like 585 00:27:19,760 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Yeah, the one thing 586 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,840 Speaker 1: that I want to win on the Herbert to Miami thing. 587 00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: And I've said this and I think, um, it's something 588 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:30,639 Speaker 1: to watch. There are a lot of people that are 589 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,880 Speaker 1: down in Miami's front office that were in New England 590 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: and heavily influenced by Bill Parcells. And so if you 591 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:38,720 Speaker 1: go back and you think about Bill Parcells and what 592 00:27:38,800 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: he says about quarterbacks and why Justin Herbert might be 593 00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 1: a better fit for them in Miami, he was Bill 594 00:27:44,960 --> 00:27:48,280 Speaker 1: Parcells when drafting quarterbacks. Was always a believer in three 595 00:27:48,359 --> 00:27:52,080 Speaker 1: year starters. Senior in college, a graduate from college. He 596 00:27:52,119 --> 00:27:55,399 Speaker 1: wanted you to have thirty stars, went about your games, 597 00:27:55,680 --> 00:27:57,920 Speaker 1: complete over sixty of your passes, and have a two 598 00:27:57,920 --> 00:28:01,439 Speaker 1: to one ratio. They're only two quarterbacks in this draft 599 00:28:01,440 --> 00:28:04,960 Speaker 1: class that check off all of those boxes, Justin Herbert 600 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: and Jalen Hurts. And so it's not as crazy as 601 00:28:08,240 --> 00:28:11,280 Speaker 1: you think that the Miami Dolphins would say, hey, let's 602 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,639 Speaker 1: go for the safer choice and Justin Herbert when you 603 00:28:14,680 --> 00:28:16,920 Speaker 1: think about the unknown that surrounds to a tongue of 604 00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: did you want to get us to the second ten? Yeah, sure, 605 00:28:20,200 --> 00:28:23,440 Speaker 1: let's go uh eleven. I know we got some white 606 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: outs going here. Eleven. The Jets with the decision of 607 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:29,560 Speaker 1: of getting the fourth tackle and Andrew Thomas, or do 608 00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,000 Speaker 1: they take the top receiver whoever they may deem that 609 00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: to be. I had him going with with Lamb and 610 00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:36,439 Speaker 1: this one to switch it up. Uh, Jerry Judy to 611 00:28:36,480 --> 00:28:39,280 Speaker 1: the Raiders. They get a receiver at twelve. Uh, this 612 00:28:39,320 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: was a fun one San Francisco with Henry Ruggs, which 613 00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: would just be so much fun to watch him and 614 00:28:43,840 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 1: that Kyle Shanahan system. Uh. Andrew Thomas goes fourteen to Tampa, 615 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,320 Speaker 1: so they get him at right tackle. All of a sudden, 616 00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:52,880 Speaker 1: You've got a pretty good offensive line there, really good 617 00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,880 Speaker 1: on the interior, and get him to to play right tackle. 618 00:28:56,560 --> 00:29:00,520 Speaker 1: Ken Law goes to Denver javon Kin Law, who uh 619 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,880 Speaker 1: gives them somebody they need up front in the trenches. 620 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: You put him next to Jarrell Casey. That'd be fun 621 00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,520 Speaker 1: to watch those guys play together. C. J. Henderson to 622 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,680 Speaker 1: the Falcons the corner from Florida, Calvan Chason to the 623 00:29:12,720 --> 00:29:15,240 Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys to to be on one edge on the 624 00:29:15,280 --> 00:29:19,760 Speaker 1: opposite of DeMarcus Lawrence. Uh. You tour Gross Matos goes 625 00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 1: to the Miami Dolphins with their second pick, Edge Resser 626 00:29:22,360 --> 00:29:25,600 Speaker 1: from Penn State. I think tackles is definitely an area 627 00:29:25,640 --> 00:29:27,719 Speaker 1: they need, but I think, uh they do that with 628 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: their with their last pick in the first round, uh 629 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: A j Terrell. The Raiders go back to Clemson to 630 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:36,160 Speaker 1: get another corner to match with Trayvon Mullen. Uh. And 631 00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,040 Speaker 1: then twenty Jacksonville. I had Justin Jefferson, who Bucky was 632 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:42,440 Speaker 1: just talking about, who we all love, uh in this 633 00:29:42,520 --> 00:29:44,760 Speaker 1: draft going to the Jacks to a team up with 634 00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,959 Speaker 1: another former teammate with DJ Chalk their chuck there with 635 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:50,760 Speaker 1: the with the Jacks. So look, look, obviously what sticks 636 00:29:50,800 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: out to me is is the receiver Row going to eleven, twelve, 637 00:29:53,600 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: and thirteen Land of the Jets, Judy to the Raiders, 638 00:29:56,480 --> 00:30:00,040 Speaker 1: and Rugs to the forty Niners. Um, you know, I 639 00:30:00,080 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: love that look, I love I love the fits with 640 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:07,160 Speaker 1: each I mean, obviously, Robby Anderson gone, Jets needed big 641 00:30:07,160 --> 00:30:10,880 Speaker 1: time playmaker out there at at wide receiver for Sam 642 00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:12,760 Speaker 1: Donald and I know they'll figure out a way to 643 00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:17,120 Speaker 1: continue to upgrade that offensive line as well. And oh man, Judy, uh, 644 00:30:17,360 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: look you lose one really good Alabama wide receiver. You 645 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,160 Speaker 1: bring in another when they traded Marie Cooper. Now they 646 00:30:23,160 --> 00:30:26,080 Speaker 1: get Jerry Judy to come in there with with Derek 647 00:30:26,120 --> 00:30:29,240 Speaker 1: Carr and run that Raiders offense. Man, That's that's exciting. 648 00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: And then you get the Burner and Ruggs who can 649 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: do a little bit more. It almost kind of replaces 650 00:30:33,440 --> 00:30:35,920 Speaker 1: that element that they missed last year when Marky's goodwin 651 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:37,680 Speaker 1: was hurt for most of the year. Now you get 652 00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:40,840 Speaker 1: that that world class speed again with Rugs and probably 653 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 1: provide you a little more. Yeah. Better player, Yeah, I 654 00:30:43,680 --> 00:30:45,200 Speaker 1: mean you get you get you get the speed, but 655 00:30:45,240 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: you get a better player. I think Marky's good when 656 00:30:47,680 --> 00:30:49,800 Speaker 1: was a guy that was a fourth or fifth receiver 657 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:54,160 Speaker 1: in Buffalo Calshanahan basically made him into a dominant playmaker 658 00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: in that offense. Henry Ruggs is a much better player. 659 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: And so if you get an accomplished player who speed, 660 00:30:59,760 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: burn rab running ability to go with Deebo Samuel on 661 00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:06,120 Speaker 1: the other side, I would expect this offense to add 662 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:10,120 Speaker 1: a dimension. And as Jimmy Garoppolo continues to get comfortable, 663 00:31:10,320 --> 00:31:12,719 Speaker 1: Kyle Shanahan does a great job of setting him up 664 00:31:12,760 --> 00:31:15,480 Speaker 1: with home run shots. Uh, Henry Rods would be the 665 00:31:15,520 --> 00:31:18,040 Speaker 1: perfect compliment to what they had, and they look, they 666 00:31:18,040 --> 00:31:21,200 Speaker 1: didn't get Dante Pettis, right, but some of the other guys, 667 00:31:21,280 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: Kendrick Born and the other guys that they've taken and developed, 668 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:26,360 Speaker 1: they certainly have gotten those guys right. This would be 669 00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: a luxury pick, but it pick that could pay big 670 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,760 Speaker 1: dividends for them down the line. All right, we'll gonna 671 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: keep this thing rolling here. Uh, let's get to let's 672 00:31:33,440 --> 00:31:35,680 Speaker 1: just go to the finish line here, Philadelphia. This was 673 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 1: a fun one because we've all pegged them with the receiver. 674 00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:41,120 Speaker 1: But in this scenario, we just mentioned that run that 675 00:31:41,160 --> 00:31:43,320 Speaker 1: we just saw in white outs. They just went boom boom, boom, 676 00:31:43,360 --> 00:31:46,240 Speaker 1: boom boom. So that could be an I yuk situation. 677 00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 1: There could go Brandon I yuc from Arizona State, but 678 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:50,800 Speaker 1: I had him going Kenneth Murray at linebacker. The Eagles 679 00:31:50,800 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: traditionally do not spend high picks on linebackers, but when 680 00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:55,560 Speaker 1: you look at what you have to do to win 681 00:31:55,560 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: in this league, to be deficient at that area at 682 00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,400 Speaker 1: that position right now, it's hard, man and with all 683 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,400 Speaker 1: the tight ends and backs in the passing game, if 684 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:04,680 Speaker 1: you don't have guys that can run and cover. Uh So, anyways, 685 00:32:04,720 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: that's why Kenneth Murray go in there Minnesota. I figured 686 00:32:07,640 --> 00:32:10,240 Speaker 1: they'd go a combination of corner receiver. I had him 687 00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:14,200 Speaker 1: going corner first, with Jalen Johnson from Utah, uh New England, 688 00:32:14,200 --> 00:32:16,920 Speaker 1: A J. E. Panessa and uh Buck. We talked about 689 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: this the other day about Belichick wanting to be firm 690 00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:23,040 Speaker 1: and strong on the edge versus some of the speed stuff. So, man, 691 00:32:23,080 --> 00:32:25,280 Speaker 1: this fits perfectly. Plus you have the connection there, the 692 00:32:25,280 --> 00:32:28,520 Speaker 1: Iowa connection. Kirk ference very close with Bill Belichick. I 693 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 1: assume he'd get the strong approval there with A J. E. 694 00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:35,680 Speaker 1: Panessa New Orleans. They're in the best player available scenario. 695 00:32:35,800 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: I mean, their their roster is so good right now 696 00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: and they're ready, ready to win big um. I think 697 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,120 Speaker 1: they just take the best available player. I don't think 698 00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,240 Speaker 1: there's a glaring need on this roster. So and I'm 699 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: taking Patrick Queen, the linebacker from just down the road 700 00:32:48,360 --> 00:32:51,120 Speaker 1: there in uh In Baton Rouge at l s U Minnesota, 701 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:54,360 Speaker 1: Te Higgins. So they get the corner and the receiver Miami, 702 00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: Josh Jones the tackle from Houston, and that's a spot 703 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,560 Speaker 1: right there. We were talking about Isaiah Wilson. I would 704 00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 1: not be shocked if he was the pick right there 705 00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:07,720 Speaker 1: with the Miami Dolphins at seven. Austin Jackson, another tackle 706 00:33:08,040 --> 00:33:10,520 Speaker 1: from USC goes to the Seahawks. But you know, you 707 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 1: guys both know the Seahawks love to trade, so I 708 00:33:12,480 --> 00:33:14,800 Speaker 1: would imagine they probably don't pick here. Uh, They'll end 709 00:33:14,880 --> 00:33:18,960 Speaker 1: up trading back Baltimore. They need edge rush Zack Bond 710 00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:22,200 Speaker 1: from from Wisconsin who with worst case scenario, he's a 711 00:33:22,240 --> 00:33:24,600 Speaker 1: sub rusher. You you put him in third down packages 712 00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:28,120 Speaker 1: and let him rush. Um Brandon I Tennessee, which would 713 00:33:28,120 --> 00:33:30,000 Speaker 1: be fun to watch him team up with a J 714 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,840 Speaker 1: Brown there. Uh, Corey Davis we talked about it's been 715 00:33:32,840 --> 00:33:35,560 Speaker 1: a little disappointing. Um, you get a little more firepower 716 00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:38,080 Speaker 1: there for Ryan Tannehill Jordan's love. I'm sure you guys 717 00:33:38,080 --> 00:33:40,120 Speaker 1: have been want to get to that one. I'll let 718 00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,160 Speaker 1: you tee up the question. Whichever way you want to 719 00:33:42,200 --> 00:33:44,840 Speaker 1: go with that one? Going to Green Bay. Uh Blacklock, 720 00:33:45,040 --> 00:33:47,440 Speaker 1: the d tackle from TCU goes to the Niners in 721 00:33:47,560 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 1: Kansas City with a choice to get any running back 722 00:33:50,640 --> 00:33:53,160 Speaker 1: in the draft that they want. Um and I look 723 00:33:53,200 --> 00:33:56,240 Speaker 1: I have Uh. DeAndre Swift is the sixteenth overall player. 724 00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 1: But I think the depth of the running back class 725 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,040 Speaker 1: uh could push all those guys out of the first round. 726 00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:03,560 Speaker 1: That's why I have Caesar Ruiz going to the Chiefs there, 727 00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 1: uh to shore up the interior of their offensive line. 728 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,680 Speaker 1: They can come back get running back later. Yeah. Look, 729 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:11,319 Speaker 1: obviously I'll go right to I'll go right to Jordan 730 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: Love with the Packers at number thirty. I think that's uh, 731 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:18,600 Speaker 1: that's really intriguing. I mean, you've got there's there's some 732 00:34:18,640 --> 00:34:23,480 Speaker 1: similarities there. Right, You've got this immense armed talent, and 733 00:34:23,560 --> 00:34:26,600 Speaker 1: you've got a guy that's really raw that is going 734 00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:30,120 Speaker 1: to have the opportunity, just like Aaron Rodgers did, to 735 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,879 Speaker 1: sit watch learn and and gain some knowledge here from 736 00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:37,279 Speaker 1: one of the best, and and have an opportunity to 737 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:39,799 Speaker 1: hone his skills so when when he is called upon, 738 00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:42,560 Speaker 1: maybe he can come right in just like Aaron Rodgers did. Um. 739 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:46,959 Speaker 1: I love that. Um. Although I don't know, I feel 740 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 1: like somebody might jump jump up and get Jordan Love 741 00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:52,359 Speaker 1: before thirty. But I think it's it's an interesting thought there. Yeah, 742 00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:54,319 Speaker 1: I think it's an outstanding thought, and I think it's 743 00:34:54,360 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 1: something that Brian Gukas has alluded to. They've talked about 744 00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,239 Speaker 1: the need to find a young quarterback uh to be 745 00:35:00,320 --> 00:35:02,120 Speaker 1: ready just in case of a rainy day, the day 746 00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:04,320 Speaker 1: that Aaron Rodgers may decide that he wants to retire, 747 00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,719 Speaker 1: or injury or anything forces him out the game. You 748 00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: don't want to have to go to the grocery store 749 00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:11,600 Speaker 1: when you're hungry. You kind of want to go when 750 00:35:11,640 --> 00:35:13,759 Speaker 1: you already satisfied, so you can make a good pick. 751 00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:17,360 Speaker 1: Jordan's love. If he's in ranged, it makes sense to 752 00:35:17,480 --> 00:35:19,799 Speaker 1: take him now. And even if it takes two or 753 00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:22,920 Speaker 1: three years before he gets his opportunity, what better place 754 00:35:23,000 --> 00:35:26,439 Speaker 1: to go to sit behind a great quarterback, learn how 755 00:35:26,440 --> 00:35:29,399 Speaker 1: he studies and goes about the process, and then you're 756 00:35:29,480 --> 00:35:32,080 Speaker 1: better ready to go play when you have your opportunity. 757 00:35:32,120 --> 00:35:35,400 Speaker 1: You think about, what fifteen plus years of Brett Farve, 758 00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:38,520 Speaker 1: fifteen plus years of Aaron Rodgers, and now you can 759 00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,240 Speaker 1: go fifteen of this one. I mean, it's it's really unpressent. 760 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,040 Speaker 1: I guess the only thing I could compare it to. Unfortunately, 761 00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: Andrew lux career was was drawn a little bit short there, 762 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,359 Speaker 1: but man, they the Colts had a nice little run there. 763 00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:49,920 Speaker 1: When I went back to back with Peyton in his 764 00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:52,560 Speaker 1: long run and then and then luck yeah, the other 765 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: one I thought. I mean that just makes so much sense. 766 00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 1: I mean, Zack Bad feels like a really good raven, 767 00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:03,879 Speaker 1: like especially if that's out within with the edge rushers. Um. 768 00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:07,760 Speaker 1: Just to kind of keep refilling their cabinet, keep refilling 769 00:36:07,800 --> 00:36:10,439 Speaker 1: their pantry with those front seven players that they seem 770 00:36:10,480 --> 00:36:12,840 Speaker 1: to do every single year, even though they got guys 771 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:16,000 Speaker 1: that go on you know, like Zadarius Smith the Green 772 00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: Bay and then while you Matt Judean picks up some 773 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: of the slack, well he's a franchise player this year. 774 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,440 Speaker 1: Now you go and maybe get the next guy in 775 00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:24,959 Speaker 1: Zack Bad. That makes so much sense to me as well. Yeah, 776 00:36:25,239 --> 00:36:28,120 Speaker 1: it's it's it's what Baltimore has done. And that's why 777 00:36:28,120 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: they have so many comp pics every year because they 778 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,440 Speaker 1: have guys and they just keep restocking the shelves and 779 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:34,240 Speaker 1: then they let them leave and they get even more picks. 780 00:36:34,239 --> 00:36:36,160 Speaker 1: It's just like this wheel, they just keeps spinning and 781 00:36:36,160 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 1: spinning and they keep getting more opportunities with more picks. Um. 782 00:36:39,280 --> 00:36:41,359 Speaker 1: But you know, in terms of mock drafts, by the way, 783 00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:44,279 Speaker 1: we should say mock draft live. Uh, every Tuesday on 784 00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:48,440 Speaker 1: NFL Network. That's nine eastern, So, uh, Tuesday tonight as 785 00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,839 Speaker 1: we're recording this. On Tuesday morning, you'll have the first 786 00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:54,560 Speaker 1: episode that will air, and then we'll be going the 787 00:36:54,600 --> 00:36:56,760 Speaker 1: next few weeks as well on Tuesday's at nine eastern. 788 00:36:56,760 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: I think, Bucky, are you up next? Is at your 789 00:36:58,080 --> 00:37:00,399 Speaker 1: mock draft next week? Yeah? My draft. I don't even 790 00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:01,600 Speaker 1: know who version it is, but I have to come 791 00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:03,800 Speaker 1: up with some fun stuff to throw in there. Yeah, 792 00:37:04,000 --> 00:37:06,640 Speaker 1: just switch it up on us man. Um, alright, anything 793 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,600 Speaker 1: else you guys want to add before we before we 794 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,360 Speaker 1: roll out of here? What's going on with Joe Burrow 795 00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,600 Speaker 1: three sixty Yeah, that's coming up. That's uh, that's coming 796 00:37:14,640 --> 00:37:19,080 Speaker 1: out this week. That will be released April nine on Thursday. Um, 797 00:37:19,120 --> 00:37:21,760 Speaker 1: and it's it's really good. If you enjoyed the Justin 798 00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,799 Speaker 1: Herbert episode, this one is going to be fantastic. We 799 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 1: talked so many different teammates of Joe Burrow talking to 800 00:37:28,200 --> 00:37:30,840 Speaker 1: his dad was a long time a defensive coordinator at 801 00:37:30,840 --> 00:37:33,439 Speaker 1: the college level. Get a chance to visit with his brother. Um. 802 00:37:33,600 --> 00:37:35,120 Speaker 1: We had a chance to talk to a lot of 803 00:37:35,160 --> 00:37:38,640 Speaker 1: people that know him well. Buck. We talked to Urban Meyer, Uh. So, 804 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:40,800 Speaker 1: going back to the Ohio State, you talked to Ohio 805 00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:43,239 Speaker 1: State teammates about Joe Burrow. So I mean there's we 806 00:37:43,239 --> 00:37:44,879 Speaker 1: do a deep dive on Joe Burrow that you're gonna 807 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: get next week. Yeah, deep dive. Uh you kind of 808 00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:50,239 Speaker 1: understand what makes him tick and why he's been uh 809 00:37:50,320 --> 00:37:52,680 Speaker 1: such a really such a really good player for l 810 00:37:52,840 --> 00:37:55,759 Speaker 1: s U. Overcoming all the adversity but also having the 811 00:37:55,840 --> 00:37:58,560 Speaker 1: right stuff on the inside, the competitive nature that has 812 00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,239 Speaker 1: enabled him to be QB one, the ultimate QB one 813 00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: draft class. And then we've got a episode on to 814 00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,439 Speaker 1: a Tongue Baloa is gonna come up the following week. 815 00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,000 Speaker 1: It's the following Thursday, April. Thank you Mark, April six. 816 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,440 Speaker 1: You can find the two episodes, so be on the 817 00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,200 Speaker 1: lookout for that. By the way, Path to the Draft 818 00:38:17,280 --> 00:38:19,239 Speaker 1: is back. It was great to be back together with 819 00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,160 Speaker 1: you guys. A lot of fun yesterday with our first episode. 820 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:24,719 Speaker 1: We're going five days a week. Uh that is eight 821 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:27,839 Speaker 1: Eastern every night on NFL Network. So if you if 822 00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:29,879 Speaker 1: you're hungry for the draft, we've got we've got your cover. 823 00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 1: We've got you covered on the audio pod. We've got videos. 824 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:36,240 Speaker 1: NFL dot Com slash MTS video YouTube dot Com, Slash 825 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: NFL podcasts, and we've got Path to the Draft, We've 826 00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,839 Speaker 1: got Mock Draft Live. I mean, what else do you need? 827 00:38:41,160 --> 00:38:43,680 Speaker 1: I think we got everything here. One stop shopping now 828 00:38:43,680 --> 00:38:45,040 Speaker 1: there you go. And I did see a video the 829 00:38:45,080 --> 00:38:47,360 Speaker 1: other day that circulated over the around the NFL guys 830 00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,600 Speaker 1: uh having a little fun saying that the NFL out 831 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:54,279 Speaker 1: to start a draft related podcast taking their shots. I 832 00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,800 Speaker 1: get it. Yeah, I did it. I get it. But uh, 833 00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:00,719 Speaker 1: you know, I I'm watching their video goes and I 834 00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:05,239 Speaker 1: see this beard that uh that Rosenthal is rocking right now? 835 00:39:05,280 --> 00:39:08,839 Speaker 1: Have you seen this thing? Buck? Yes, I've seen their crew. 836 00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:14,840 Speaker 1: Uh interesting? Interesting? Why did they do a podcaster and 837 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: drest season? Yeah? No, I think they talk. I think 838 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,960 Speaker 1: they talk about European soccer. I think that's what they're 839 00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: talking about. Now where their interests lie? You know what 840 00:39:22,000 --> 00:39:23,120 Speaker 1: I was just I'm gonna be on. Let me be 841 00:39:23,160 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 1: honest with you real quickly before we get out of here. 842 00:39:25,680 --> 00:39:27,600 Speaker 1: I know what Handsas is, I know what he is. 843 00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: I know what he's all about. I accept that were 844 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:33,600 Speaker 1: mortal enemies. That's fine. Rosenthal guilt by association. I tie 845 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:36,720 Speaker 1: him together it's the other two I'm disappointed in because 846 00:39:36,760 --> 00:39:39,080 Speaker 1: I still had hope for Cessler. I still had hope 847 00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: for Westling. And let's let's take West out of this. 848 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:47,120 Speaker 1: West is alone, Sessler, Cessler taking shots. Really, Cessler, you 849 00:39:47,120 --> 00:39:49,239 Speaker 1: were you were our favorite. I mean, it's the lesser 850 00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,720 Speaker 1: of four evils, but you were our favorite of the bunch. 851 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:55,719 Speaker 1: And now stock is down, stock is way down. It's 852 00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:58,480 Speaker 1: a real shame. Mark. Yeah, I just expected more. You know, 853 00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:02,080 Speaker 1: that's all. Uh, already, that's to do it for you know, Yeah, 854 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: that's true. There's a lot of misery in that soul. 855 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: All right, let's get out of here. I appreciate you 856 00:40:06,719 --> 00:40:09,160 Speaker 1: guys checking us out. Get us next time right here 857 00:40:09,520 --> 00:40:12,040 Speaker 1: on move the sticks. Big shout out thanks to Mark Nobile, 858 00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 1: our Juna, the whole crew who's been getting us out there, 859 00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 1: getting us up and running. So appreciate all you guys 860 00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 1: helping us. And we'll see you next time. Right here 861 00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:22,360 Speaker 1: on moving sticks.