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Speaker 1: Hi, I'm Molly John Fast and this is Fast Politics,

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Speaker 1: where we discussed the top political headlines with some of

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Speaker 1: today's best minds, and Moody's analytics model has raised its

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Speaker 1: recession outlook for the next twelve months to forty eight

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Speaker 1: We have such a great show for you today, The

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Speaker 1: Latino Vote podcast host Mike Madrid stops bying to talk

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Speaker 1: we'll talk to indivisibles Ezra Leven about this weekend's No

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Speaker 1: Kings rally, which will likely be the biggest political rally

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Speaker 3: There is talks try to get ice out of airports

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Speaker 1: Yes, you will be shocked here. So basically, Democrats and

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Speaker 1: all of which is insane. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: It also doesn't help that that picture that was circulating

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Speaker 3: Speaking of a bad look, Meta and YouTube have been

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Speaker 1: Chuck schumer daughters work at Metta, Okay, And the president

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Speaker 4: They blew up the Statue of Liberty today.

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Speaker 1: Well, my favorite was the video. Did you see the

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Speaker 3: Molly I see videos of mister Trump and a bunch

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Speaker 4: Great to be with you, mollic that a long time.

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Speaker 1: we are going to start by talking about the damning

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Speaker 1: Previously unseen This is reporting from the New York Times today.

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Speaker 2: Young people met those numbers.

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Speaker 4: And there's a big overlap. By the way, now younger

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Speaker 4: you are the less like you are to be white

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Speaker 4: in the country, and Hispanics are the numbers that are

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Speaker 4: blowing up. Get this, thirty eight percent. Only thirty eight

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Speaker 4: percent of Hispanic voters in America are thirty years old

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Speaker 4: or younger. Like, that's crazy, it's an incredible young percent

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Speaker 4: right Like that young voters are well, no of Hispanic

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Speaker 4: voters are under the age of thirty. So yes, there

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Speaker 4: is a concentric circle that overlaps. If we're talking about

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Speaker 4: young adults and we're talking about Hispanics, a lot of

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Speaker 4: times they're the same demographic. So understanding that, I think

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Speaker 4: is really key to what's going on here. But when

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Speaker 4: the Republicans were celebrating when Trump wins, comes back and

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Speaker 4: wins in November twenty twenty four, again I was kind

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Speaker 4: of raising the alarm bells and saying, there's no evidence

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Speaker 4: saying that Latinos are becoming more Republican. None there was,

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Speaker 4: but there was overwhelming evidence that they were becoming less democratic,

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Speaker 4: and understanding that is the key to everything, because these

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Speaker 4: are absolutely agettable voters for the Democratic Party, but it's

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Speaker 4: going to have to get back to this middle class

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Speaker 4: party that was kind of the FDR blue collar, working class,

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Speaker 4: building things party, which it's rapidly moved away from over

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Speaker 4: the past decade.

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Speaker 2: They were not partisans, are not artisan.

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Speaker 1: Cort but I think they felt let down by Biden

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Speaker 1: one percent, So talk us through that.

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Speaker 4: So understand this, and that's a great question and a

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Speaker 4: great setup. So there was a lot of consternation and

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Speaker 4: discussions about, especially with Latinos, is this a misogynistic machiuso culture. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: let me let me, let me go write at it,

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Speaker 4: because I wrote two big chapters on this in the

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Speaker 4: book exploring this. You have to understand that the two

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Speaker 4: American politicians that coalesced the largest share of the Latino

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Speaker 4: vote in history were one Barack Obama and two Hillary Clinton.

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Speaker 4: Wow overwhelming number, seventy five percent, like massive. So then

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Speaker 4: the question becomes, well, maybe it's because she's a black woman.

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Speaker 4: They don't like Kamala Harris Well, twenty five years of

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Speaker 4: her political career in California was built on overperforming with

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Speaker 4: Latino voters numbers. Yeah, so what is it? Did they

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Speaker 4: just suddenly become misogynist and racist? Was it COVID and

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Speaker 4: what was it?

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Speaker 1: Right?

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Speaker 4: Maybe an easier, you know, explanation is they felt let.

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Speaker 2: Down by Bye Bye Bye.

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Speaker 4: Biden, by the Biden Hairs campaign because of two reasons.

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Speaker 4: The economy was quantifiably more difficult to work in. It

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Speaker 4: just was wasn't his fault. We can talk about that

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Speaker 4: all day long, but it was. And the other was

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Speaker 4: the borders were out of control. I think we can

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Speaker 4: finally say that now. No, and that was the theory

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Speaker 4: of the case. It wasn't that they were more pro Trump.

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Speaker 4: Of course, there's anecdotal evidence and you could name on

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Speaker 4: TikTok or whatever and Latinos for Trump parades and all

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Speaker 4: that nonsense, but the reality is overwhelmingly these voters were

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Speaker 4: responding to the failures of her tenure as vice president, right,

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Speaker 4: So it's not cultural.

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Speaker 2: The baggage.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, she had to carry the baggage by She had

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Speaker 4: to carry bags, and it was tough. They were very heavy.

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Speaker 4: And so she comes out to the convention and she

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Speaker 4: runs on the Langford Bill. By the way, by the

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Speaker 4: Langford Bill, one of the most conservative Republicans in the

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Speaker 4: Senate is the actual official plank in the Democratic Party

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Speaker 4: is their position on the immigration.

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Speaker 1: Reform which was it, and which was if you wanted

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Speaker 1: to win a slightly more you know, it doesn't play

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Speaker 1: to the base, but it plays to this sort of

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Speaker 1: crossover voter, which is what you need.

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Speaker 4: And again one hundred percent, and in fact, maybe one

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Speaker 4: of the pieces you read I wrote for The New

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Speaker 4: York Times in February of twenty twenty four saying Biden's

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Speaker 4: got a pivot on immigration because not only is that

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Speaker 4: where moderate voters are not only is that where white

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Speaker 4: suburban women are. That's where Latino voters are, right, Like,

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Speaker 4: you can't be being four. Border security is not inherently racist.

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Speaker 4: We have a big majority of Latino saying, of course

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Speaker 4: we want border security, like he doesn't want that. Now,

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Speaker 4: the way it's done is where this overreaction where Donald

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Speaker 4: Trump has really repelled these voters, and it's left the

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Speaker 4: Republicans with the shortest honeymoon in world history right where

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Speaker 4: literally within days, he starts to alienate this new Maga coalition,

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Speaker 4: this racial realignment, which was who we from the get go.

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Speaker 4: He immediately with the tariff policy and the economic policy

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Speaker 4: starts pushing him back to the Democrats.

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Speaker 1: Also, what you see I mean right now, the polling

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Speaker 1: is such that Donald Trump is as unpopular as Biden

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Speaker 1: was after the debate.

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Speaker 4: So he's worst than Biden ever was on the economy.

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Speaker 1: Right, so, and he's unpopular on things that he used

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Speaker 1: to be polished on the economy, immigration. I would love

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Speaker 1: you to if you're running in the midterms now, And

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Speaker 1: like I think about there are so many states that

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Speaker 1: are really the Democrats would like to pick up, and

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Speaker 1: Texas is the one that I think when you think

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Speaker 1: about Hispanic voters. That is the one that really is

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Speaker 1: kind of I think, you know, Florida, I'm sure, but

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Speaker 1: Florida is a hard state. So and Arizona's Democrats. So

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Speaker 1: talk us through what it would look like in order

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Speaker 1: to pick up Texas.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna sound a little nerdy right now, but I

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Speaker 4: think your audience is okay, that's what we want, geeky data.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 4: So in twenty twenty, when I was at the Lincoln

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Speaker 4: Project and you and I were talking more regularly and

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Speaker 4: I was spending millions of dollars in Arizona and Georgia,

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Speaker 4: everybody thought we were nuts. But those states had been

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Speaker 4: trending for a couple of years in towards a more

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Speaker 4: purple bluish direction, and states tend to stay on that

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Speaker 4: trajectory until they pop over. We could talk about North

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Speaker 4: Carolina moving that direction, you know, to this cycle. Now,

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Speaker 4: Texas was always anomalous, and I was saying, you know,

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Speaker 4: Texas is not going to go blue anytime soon, largely

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Speaker 4: because Democrats are losing the Hispanic vote. Right Like when

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Speaker 4: we used to talk about turning Texas blue. Is always

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Speaker 4: like wait till the Latino vote starts. To grow big

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Speaker 4: enough and suddenly all these naturally born Democrats are going

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Speaker 4: to take over. You didn't hear that too much in

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Speaker 4: the last four eight years. What you need to win

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Speaker 4: Texas is you need a very good political environment, what

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Speaker 4: we call the mood of the electorate, which is clearly there. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: we're looking at point today Molly, which has Democrats at

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Speaker 4: a plus eleven environment that is looks crazy.

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Speaker 1: That that state gen York state Senate seat well, but

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Speaker 1: also the state Senate seat for mar A Lago which

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Speaker 1: just flipped.

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Speaker 4: That's Florida. And look, I'm not gonna say and look,

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Speaker 4: I have been the most critical of Democrats looking at

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Speaker 4: Texas for the past twenty years because I the Hispanic

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Speaker 4: book saying it's not what you think it is. I'm

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Speaker 4: now saying it's absolutely in play, and I think Florida

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Speaker 4: is gettable. I genuinely do. Look at what happened in

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Speaker 4: mar Lago and look what happened in Miami's mayor's race.

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Speaker 4: These shifts are not three four point shifts, which are

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Speaker 4: big either eleven to fifteen points. If you had told

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Speaker 4: us a year ago, and I was kind of saying

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Speaker 4: we're heading in a double digit democratic positive environment. You

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Speaker 4: don't need to redistrict all these seats because you're gonna

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Speaker 4: win them anyway. Well, that's the environment that we're heading.

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Speaker 4: But that's why Tellarrico, you've got the right candidates, you

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Speaker 4: have the right political environment, and perhaps most importantly, you

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Speaker 4: have bad candidates on the Republican side, which is the trifecta.

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Speaker 4: That's what you need to win a seat like this.

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Speaker 4: And if Democrats do win Texas, I mean you've cut

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Speaker 4: the head off of the snake.

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Speaker 2: One lest thing.

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Speaker 1: You do have Republicans in a real bind here because

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Speaker 1: Paxton actually is popular, and while he might now win Indies,

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Speaker 1: you might suppress the base by nominating Cornan.

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Speaker 4: And that base, that's no question about that. And that's

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Speaker 4: that they've got a problem either way, right, because if

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Speaker 4: Cornyn wins, there's going to be a lot of people

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Speaker 4: like Paxson's the only true Republican in this race. So

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Speaker 4: I ain't gonna look at that corn guy. And then

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Speaker 4: the ad vice versa to what you just said. So there,

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Speaker 4: and on top of that, the Republican turnout model has

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Speaker 4: been very very bad. Yeah, these guys there, what are

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Speaker 4: you what are you going to go vote for? The

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Speaker 4: Iran war, for me tariffs for a worse economy, Like

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Speaker 4: there's not a single policy position right now where Donald

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Speaker 4: try in the positive and most of them are historically

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Speaker 4: upside down negative forty three on the economy, like I've

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Speaker 4: never those are It's worse than Biden, Like you said,

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Speaker 4: these are bad numbers.

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Speaker 1: I have one last question for Day, which is there's

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Speaker 1: the dummy Mander. So Trump did this thing with redistricting

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Speaker 1: those five seats in Texas California, then gave five seats

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Speaker 1: to the Democrats. Are those seats now gettable because of

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Speaker 1: the Dummymander? I thought the Texas seats were like pretty

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Speaker 1: cooked in a way that they were unwinnable. But is

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Speaker 1: there a world where Democrats pick up two of them?

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Speaker 4: Or I mean, I'm predicting three of them. And the

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Speaker 4: reason why. So what happens is Texas they know that

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Speaker 4: a bad cycle is coming. Texas pushes these five new

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Speaker 4: seats redrawn. The only way you can get there in

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Speaker 4: Texas now is you've got to draw Hispanic seats. The

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Speaker 4: Republicans are believing their own press clippings. They're looking at

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Speaker 4: twenty twenty four. There's a new racial realignment. This is

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Speaker 4: the new base of the party. They draw five new seats,

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Speaker 4: three of them have a Hispanic majority. The problem is,

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Speaker 4: we're seeing in some of these Texas special elections a

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Speaker 4: fifty point swing in that Senate special election, fifty five

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Speaker 4: to zero, crazy numbers, and so when you start to

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Speaker 4: see that, a Republican plus twelve seat is totally in play.

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Speaker 4: They interviewed Bobby Palito, who's running against Monica de la

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Speaker 4: Cruz in the main battleground seat right there in one

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Speaker 4: of these three seats. His campaign is just off the charts.

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Speaker 4: He's raising a ton of money, The momentum is there,

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Speaker 4: the national narrative is moving in his direction. I think

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Speaker 4: that I think you're going to see a pickup of

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Speaker 4: the three at least three of the five Republican seats

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Speaker 4: will go to the Democrats in probably the biggest dummy

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Speaker 4: mander in the last century.

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Speaker 1: And if that happens, like that will be fucking unbelievable

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Speaker 1: because it will me and Democrats pick up five seats

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Speaker 1: in California, three seats in Texas, seats that they were, yeah,

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Speaker 1: not supposed to get.

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Speaker 2: This is so interesting.

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Speaker 1: I hope you will come back in like a couple

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Speaker 1: months so we can have it back and talk about this.

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Speaker 4: So int, thank you, Joy, great to talk to you.

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Speaker 4: It's been a while.

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Speaker 1: Ezra Levin is the co founder of Indivisible.

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Speaker 2: Welcome, Welcome, Ezrah.

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Speaker 5: It's great to see em.

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Speaker 1: Only. So let's talk about what's going to happen on Saturday.

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Speaker 5: Let's talk. Well, it's going to be the largest protest

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Speaker 5: in all of American history by quite some margin, is

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Speaker 5: what it's looking like. We had twenty one hundred protests

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Speaker 5: for No Kings one. This was last June, who was

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Speaker 5: on Donald Trump's birthday at that ridiculous military birthday parade,

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Speaker 5: and we wanted to make him look putney. We wanted

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Speaker 5: to be everywhere but DC, and twenty one hundred protests

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Speaker 5: all around the world, five million people, largest protests in

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Speaker 5: American history. Felt good about that. Then we built towards

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Speaker 5: No Kings two. In October we beat it, twenty seven

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Speaker 5: hundred events, seven million people were a couple days out

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Speaker 5: of March twenty eighth. No Kings three. We have now

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Speaker 5: more than thirty one hundred protests on the map worldwide,

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Speaker 5: So at least by that margin we're talking against Book

658
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Speaker 5: of World Records. We will see who showed up, though,

659
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Speaker 5: And I think the Republicans have actually updated their tactics

660
00:36:03,480 --> 00:36:05,600
Speaker 5: in pretty interesting ways. I think they've made some smart

661
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Speaker 5: choices to try to reduce turnout, and we're gonna have

662
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Speaker 5: to do a lot of work to pull a lot

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Speaker 5: of people out.

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Speaker 1: First, I want you to explain why are protests important.

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Speaker 1: I think it's new reasons then, like I think having

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Speaker 1: an autocratic president means that protests are meaningful in a

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Speaker 1: way they have never been, so talk us through it.

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Speaker 5: Look, this comes straight from all of the research on authoritarianism.

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Speaker 5: How do you fight an authoritarian around the world? How

670
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Speaker 5: do you prevent them from consolidating power within their hands

671
00:36:36,680 --> 00:36:38,520
Speaker 5: at the expense of all of us? And the way

672
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Speaker 5: that I would think about this is massive, weakened, nonviolent

673
00:36:43,440 --> 00:36:47,239
Speaker 5: protests that demonstrate that people are against the regime. They

674
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Speaker 5: are an extremely important tactic. They are a necessary tactic.

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Speaker 5: And I don't think anybody believes there's some referee in

676
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Speaker 5: the sky who is watching to see how many people

677
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,080
Speaker 5: show up, and if you get enough, the democracy wins

678
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:03,239
Speaker 5: and the fascist goes home. That's just it's not how

679
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,240
Speaker 5: it works. You can't hope to save democracy with one protest.

680
00:37:07,440 --> 00:37:09,920
Speaker 5: But that also doesn't mean that well, you shouldn't go

681
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 5: out and protest. That a major national protest like this

682
00:37:13,719 --> 00:37:16,800
Speaker 5: can hope to do two things. One, it can bust

683
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:21,879
Speaker 5: this air of inevitability or in mental Trump and all authoritarians.

684
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Speaker 5: He wants to look strong, he wants to look all powerful,

685
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Speaker 5: and he wants everybody out there to be a little

686
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Speaker 5: scared of him or very scared of him in a

687
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Speaker 5: sneaker police force. And by getting millions upon millions of

688
00:37:33,440 --> 00:37:36,320
Speaker 5: people out in blue states and red states and purple

689
00:37:36,360 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 5: states and rural areas and suburban areas and city centers,

690
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:42,839
Speaker 5: what that shows is actually people aren't scared. Actually people

691
00:37:42,880 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 5: are against this regime. Actually people are coming together. And

692
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:49,759
Speaker 5: that's important because if people don't believe democracy is going

693
00:37:49,800 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 5: to reassert itself, democracy won't reassert itself. So that's that's

694
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Speaker 5: goal one, and that's a goal that we can achieve

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Speaker 5: on No King's Day on March twenty eighth. But then

696
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Speaker 5: the second speaks to why this isn't just a protest

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00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 5: in Washington, d c. Or in New York or in Chicago.

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Speaker 5: There are thirty one hundred events in the smallest towns

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Speaker 5: in the Country, Coloma, California, population three seventy two. Fort Davis, Texas,

700
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Speaker 5: population eight seventy nine. A small town where I grew up, Kyle, Texas.

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Speaker 5: Down the street, population I don't know. It's a tiny

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Speaker 5: little town between Austin and stan Antonio. There are events everywhere,

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Speaker 5: and that's important because it's not just how many people

704
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 5: show up on a single day. If you're going to

705
00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:29,239
Speaker 5: reject the authoritarian, if you're going to prevent him from

706
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Speaker 5: sabotaging the midterm elections, which is what he plans to do,

707
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Speaker 5: you need to match the breadth of No Kings with

708
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Speaker 5: the depth of the organizing that we've seen in places

709
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Speaker 5: like the Twin Cities. It's more than just a Saturday protest.

710
00:38:41,560 --> 00:38:44,759
Speaker 5: It is day and day out pushing back against what

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Speaker 5: the regime is trying to do, which means we need

712
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Speaker 5: people in Point Arena, California, or Arco, Idaho, or New Shoreham,

713
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 5: Rhode Island. You need basis of support there so that

714
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Speaker 5: there is a full scale rejection of what he's trying

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Speaker 5: to do. So I'm excited for No King as a

716
00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 5: massive recruitment opportunity and a massive messaging opportunity for what

717
00:39:05,080 --> 00:39:05,640
Speaker 5: comes next.

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Speaker 1: But I would also add that Donald Trump is a

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Speaker 1: person who will go as far as he can, and

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Speaker 1: so him seeing these protests talk us through that.

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Speaker 5: Look, this is what an authoritarian does. They test the

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Speaker 5: limits of their power, and they understand if they suffer

723
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 5: major publicity blows, if they're underwater in whatever their attornity

724
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,200
Speaker 5: to do, they will declare victory and then try to

725
00:39:33,239 --> 00:39:35,440
Speaker 5: change the subject. And they've gotten to secthing House. One

726
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:38,919
Speaker 5: of the reasons why we are seeing Trump lash out

727
00:39:39,000 --> 00:39:41,719
Speaker 5: now in a way that he wasn't even lashing out

728
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:45,840
Speaker 5: last year is because he's weaker. It's because he's weaker.

729
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Speaker 5: He has suffered losses at just about every mid off

730
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Speaker 5: year election, that and special election that we've seen. His

731
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 5: congressional majority is fracturing under its own ideological weight.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 5: And we know that he knows the elections in the

734
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Speaker 5: in November are going to be an utter disaster form.

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Speaker 5: So what do you do. Do you just sit back

736
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Speaker 5: and accept that. No, if you're a normal authoritarium, you

737
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Speaker 5: go and try to stir up some shit. Yeah, you

738
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:17,920
Speaker 5: minus Venezuela or Cuba or Greenland. You launch a war

739
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,920
Speaker 5: against Iran. You try to look big and strong by

740
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Speaker 5: sending your goon squad out to the Twin Cities, and

741
00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 5: what do we see in the Twin Cities. You can

742
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Speaker 5: imagine after Renee Goods murder, after Alex Preddie's murder, that

743
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Speaker 5: folks in the city and folks around the country would

744
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Speaker 5: see that and say, oh shit, I got to protect myself.

745
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Speaker 5: I got I keep my head low, I got to

746
00:40:34,719 --> 00:40:37,359
Speaker 5: not pop up because I might be next. That's not

747
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Speaker 5: what we saw in the Twins, thees or else where.

748
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:43,839
Speaker 5: We trained two hundred thousand people on how to track eyes.

749
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,200
Speaker 5: It was at eyes on ice training forty eight hours

750
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Speaker 5: after Alex Predde's murder. And the response of the Twin

751
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:54,200
Speaker 5: Cities to Renee and Alex's murder was massive and neighborly

752
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:59,240
Speaker 5: and powerful, and it succeeded in repelling Trump. Not because

753
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 5: he listened to his better angels, not because Night you know,

754
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,359
Speaker 5: had some brilliant insight into how to execute on his

755
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 5: immigration program. It's because he was losing the publicity fight.

756
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,880
Speaker 5: He looked weak, he looked cruel. He didn't like it,

757
00:41:13,920 --> 00:41:15,600
Speaker 5: so he wanted to change the subject, and that's what

758
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 5: he did. Protest has the ability to do that in

759
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 5: this moment. Now, I will say, I do think this

760
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Speaker 5: is why Republicans are taking a different tact heading into

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00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 5: No Kings three than THEYD know Kings two. You remember

762
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 5: two or three weeks leading up to No Kings two,

763
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Speaker 5: it was wall to wall, Mike Johnson and every other

764
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:35,319
Speaker 5: Republican was saying, we're terrorists, were Antifa, were violent, they

765
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Speaker 5: called out the National Guard. And know what that did, Molly?

766
00:41:38,560 --> 00:41:42,640
Speaker 5: It super charged turnout for No Kings two. Oh interesting

767
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 5: people saw it, and then the press covered it and

768
00:41:45,200 --> 00:41:47,719
Speaker 5: there was conflicts, so everybody was talking and a lot

769
00:41:47,719 --> 00:41:49,680
Speaker 5: of people came out, and they came out in their

770
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,799
Speaker 5: unicorn costumes and with their funny signs, and it was

771
00:41:52,840 --> 00:41:55,720
Speaker 5: a powerful, joyful event. I would challenge you al Malli

772
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Speaker 5: to find any National Republican who has said the words

773
00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 5: Kings in the last two months. It is they have

774
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:07,880
Speaker 5: systematically adopted a plan to deprive us of as much oxygen,

775
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:11,279
Speaker 5: as much as attention as possible, because they know if

776
00:42:11,320 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 5: there's not conflict and they're not talking about it, then

777
00:42:13,560 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 5: fewer people will hear about it. Fewer people hear about it,

778
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 5: fewer people show up. If fewer people show up, then

779
00:42:18,480 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 5: they don't have to worry about it as much. So

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Speaker 5: I do think that that is a smart tactic on

781
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Speaker 5: their on their side, and if we're going to be smart,

782
00:42:25,560 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 5: we got to respond, and that it means it's on us,

783
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:30,399
Speaker 5: all of us, not just to go, but to find

784
00:42:30,440 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 5: the couple of free people in our lives who agree

785
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,360
Speaker 5: with us but aren't protest types, aren't activist types, and

786
00:42:35,400 --> 00:42:38,440
Speaker 5: then give them the gift of an invitation of hanging

787
00:42:38,480 --> 00:42:41,120
Speaker 5: out with us this Saturday at this protest. We've got

788
00:42:41,120 --> 00:42:43,520
Speaker 5: to build it up to be big in numbers on

789
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:45,320
Speaker 5: the ground and not just big in number of events

790
00:42:45,320 --> 00:42:45,920
Speaker 5: around the world.

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Speaker 1: I want you to explain to us why you think

792
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Speaker 1: it's safe to protest. I mean, the last three have

793
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Speaker 1: been safe, but I just want you to sort of

794
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: talk us to one of the things that Trump world

795
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,279
Speaker 1: wants is for people to think it's not safe. They

796
00:43:02,320 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: also want people to not know about it and explain

797
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 1: to us why it's safe and everything like that.

798
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Speaker 5: So I'll give you two responses on this, and one

799
00:43:11,560 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 5: one is you're absolutely right. They want nothing. They would

800
00:43:14,560 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 5: love nothing more than violence in the streets so that

801
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:18,160
Speaker 5: they can make the argument that this is why we

802
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,640
Speaker 5: need to send out the National Guard This is why

803
00:43:19,680 --> 00:43:22,440
Speaker 5: we need our secret police force. And they have even

804
00:43:22,800 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 5: acted as if we would be violent, calling out the

805
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Speaker 5: National Guard and engaging in ridiculous suppression behavior. This is

806
00:43:28,480 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 5: not our first rodeo, Molly, as you know, this is

807
00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:32,840
Speaker 5: right now in the last year, our fourth rodeo. The

808
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,040
Speaker 5: three of the five largest protests in American history were

809
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Speaker 5: hands off last April. No Kings one, No Kings two.

810
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Speaker 5: We're about to have all of the top three, with

811
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 5: No Kings three coming up in March. And every single

812
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:47,800
Speaker 5: one of these have been joyful, boisterous, powerful and non violent.

813
00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:50,080
Speaker 5: So the proof is in the putting there, and it's

814
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Speaker 5: no accident. If you go to No King's Protest and

815
00:43:53,360 --> 00:43:55,680
Speaker 5: that No King's Protest is on the map, it means

816
00:43:55,840 --> 00:43:58,759
Speaker 5: there is a designated safety lead. That safety lead had

817
00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 5: to go through a multi hour which included safety and

818
00:44:01,280 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 5: de escalation training. That event has a safety plan, and

819
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Speaker 5: we take it very seriously. We don't just hope for

820
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 5: the best. Now. I say all that to reassure folks,

821
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Speaker 5: and if you've been to these protests, you see they're

822
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 5: fun events. This is not you know, armed battles. This

823
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,040
Speaker 5: is people going out and celebrating their First Amendment rights.

824
00:44:20,040 --> 00:44:22,719
Speaker 5: It's a good time, but we also should be real.

825
00:44:23,080 --> 00:44:26,200
Speaker 5: We are living under an authoritarian regime, an authoritarian retream

826
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Speaker 5: that is antagonistic towards organized people power, even if that

827
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Speaker 5: people power is non violent. So I don't want to

828
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Speaker 5: act like everything is rainbows and butterflies out there. It's

829
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 5: going to require a lot of courage right now. We

830
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 5: need people to understand that it is a shame than

831
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Speaker 5: in the year twenty twenty six and the two hundred

832
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Speaker 5: and fifteth anniversary of the Family of the Country. There

833
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 5: is reason to fear exercising your First Amendment rights. But

834
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Speaker 5: what I would tell people is that's why you should

835
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 5: exercise your First Amendment rights. If you are unwilling to

836
00:44:55,880 --> 00:44:58,120
Speaker 5: exercise those rights when they're under threat, you don't have

837
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:00,920
Speaker 5: those rights. They don't exist. So I think we need

838
00:45:00,920 --> 00:45:02,480
Speaker 5: a lot of people spread and courage out there. We

839
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:05,600
Speaker 5: need to see people out so that other folks are

840
00:45:05,600 --> 00:45:07,640
Speaker 5: on the sidelines to understand it's okay and they can

841
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:08,480
Speaker 5: come at as well.

842
00:45:08,719 --> 00:45:10,400
Speaker 1: One of the things that I was strucked by with

843
00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: the last No Kings rally was that you guys had

844
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Speaker 1: people in Alaska. Yeah, talk to us about why, Like,

845
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Speaker 1: for example, we have these midterms coming up, why it's

846
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Speaker 1: important to see people in Alaska.

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Speaker 5: Well, there's seventeen protests in Alaska, molly in places that

848
00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 5: you can't get to except by boat. In Hawaii, there

849
00:45:30,160 --> 00:45:33,040
Speaker 5: are twelve protests in every single island, some in multiple islands.

850
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Speaker 5: But Alaska is a great example. Why is it important

851
00:45:35,320 --> 00:45:37,080
Speaker 5: to be in Alaska? Well, Alaska happens to be one

852
00:45:37,080 --> 00:45:39,880
Speaker 5: of the fifty states, and so Alaska's rebute represented. Alaska

853
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,360
Speaker 5: also happens to be the state that might make the

854
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Speaker 5: difference in who controls the Senate after November, because there

855
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,280
Speaker 5: is a competitive Senate election, and there is a direct,

856
00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:54,840
Speaker 5: well documented connection between mass, nonviolent people protest and electoral

857
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Speaker 5: outcomes down the line. You can look back to the

858
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Speaker 5: Tea Party when they had Tea Party protests and then

859
00:45:59,239 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 5: we got in the twenty ten elections. You can look

860
00:46:01,840 --> 00:46:04,479
Speaker 5: back to the Women's March when then we just ran

861
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:06,759
Speaker 5: the table in twenty eighteen. But you don't even have

862
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Speaker 5: to look back that far. Last November, I would argue,

863
00:46:10,560 --> 00:46:12,840
Speaker 5: was the best election night we have had in a

864
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Speaker 5: decade plus. We went everywhere from the Deep South to

865
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Speaker 5: New York to California. We were just wiping the floor

866
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Speaker 5: with the regime everywhere. It is no accident that that

867
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Speaker 5: election night happened a couple of weeks after the largest

868
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Speaker 5: protest in American history, where we were raising the alarm

869
00:46:29,080 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 5: everywhere that this guy was out of control and we

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Speaker 5: needed to rise up. So it is very important to

871
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Speaker 5: me that we have a massive number of events in

872
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Speaker 5: places like Alaska and Nebraska and Iowa and Maine and Texas,

873
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:44,440
Speaker 5: in North Carolina and Wisconsin and Michigan. But we need

874
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Speaker 5: to be out there because the same people who are

875
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Speaker 5: coming to their first no Kings protest on Saturday are

876
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Speaker 5: going to be the people who are helping us get

877
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Speaker 5: out the vote in the mid term and protect those

878
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Speaker 5: results in the midterms.

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Speaker 1: Talk to me about the organizing aspect of this.

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Speaker 5: It is an intensive organizing effort. Every one of these

881
00:47:02,680 --> 00:47:06,120
Speaker 5: events on the ground was started because somebody raised their

882
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:09,600
Speaker 5: hand and decided they were going to get their community together.

883
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Speaker 5: Many of these are being led by local indivisible groups

884
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Speaker 5: or local fifty to fifty one groups or other organizing collectives.

885
00:47:16,560 --> 00:47:20,520
Speaker 5: On the ground. We offer god a ridiculous number of

886
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Speaker 5: trainings and toolkits for these organizers. I believe this week

887
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Speaker 5: we have twenty two national calls and trainings for Indivisible

888
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Speaker 5: organizers on issues related to managing these new at Kings protests.

889
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Speaker 5: I mentioned the safety and de escalation work, but there's

890
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Speaker 5: also how do you schedule the event? How do you

891
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Speaker 5: get a permit, how do you set up a lineup?

892
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:44,719
Speaker 5: How do you make sure that folks are able to

893
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Speaker 5: get into and out of where the venue is? How

894
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Speaker 5: do you advertise the event? How do you do recruitment,

895
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Speaker 5: What does the aftermath look like? What are you doing

896
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Speaker 5: on press? There is just a massive amount of work,

897
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Speaker 5: some of which we are helping with the massive No

898
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Speaker 5: King's Coalition, and a lot of which is being led

899
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Speaker 5: by normal everyday people. I know, the whack jobs on

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Speaker 5: the right say everybody's like getting these big Soros checks

901
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Speaker 5: and that's where they're coming out. These are nurses and

902
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Speaker 5: teachers and IT technicians. I will say big shout out

903
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Speaker 5: to Randy Weingarten, who is I think is like the

904
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Speaker 5: secret fairy godmother of all that. A massive year, Yes,

905
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Speaker 5: incredible leader on no Kings from the very beginning. But

906
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Speaker 5: it's not just AFT, it's it's folks who at the

907
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Speaker 5: national level, are supporting outreach to the Blackamauty, Black Voters

908
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Speaker 5: Matter or NAACP movement for Black Lives, the Latino Community

909
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Speaker 5: Vote to Latino a scale. You and Sunrise are doing

910
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Speaker 5: these very cool organizing efforts on campuses to get feeder

911
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Speaker 5: marchesses from students and campuses into the No Kings rally.

912
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Speaker 5: So it's hard to it's hard to over emphasize how

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Speaker 5: much of a group project. This is, how much massive

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Speaker 5: organizations and tons of grassroots leaders are coming together to

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Speaker 5: breduce something that's truly historic.

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Speaker 1: I want you to talk about what this organizing means later.

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Speaker 1: So this is a way to get people to connect it,

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Speaker 1: but then what does that look like? Do you have

919
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Speaker 1: vulner registration? What is that you know? What's where does it.

920
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Speaker 5: Go from there? Look, I think we need to keep

921
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Speaker 5: on building. If you listen to the authority and experts

922
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Speaker 5: like an Erica Chenoway or Maria Stefan, Tim Sneinder all

923
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Speaker 5: these others, there's a number that often comes up three

924
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Speaker 5: and a half percent. Three and a half percent of

925
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Speaker 5: the population. That's the percent of the population you need

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Speaker 5: actively engaged in organizing on the ground to prevent an

927
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Speaker 5: authoritarian from solidifying control of the country. Three and a

928
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Speaker 5: half percent isn't that much in the grand scin of things.

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Speaker 5: We're talking eleven to twelve million people actively engaged. Now

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Speaker 5: that means we need to recruit these folks into active

931
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Speaker 5: work on the ground. Two both do turn out in

932
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Speaker 5: the election, so we just stomp them electorally come the interms,

933
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Speaker 5: but also to push back on whatever Shenan against Trump

934
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Speaker 5: inevitably tries to pull. So I think we need breadth

935
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Speaker 5: and we need depth. True success in November is going

936
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Speaker 5: to come from matching this this huge national breadth of

937
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Speaker 5: No Kings with the kind of depth that we've seen

938
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Speaker 5: in the Twin Cities, because it's ultimately going to require

939
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Speaker 5: us to escalate our tactics. And the first place we're

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Speaker 5: going to be escalating our tactics after No Kings is

941
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Speaker 5: on May Day. On May first, that is a national

942
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Speaker 5: action that Indivisible and No King's partners are going to

943
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Speaker 5: be throwing in on. It's being led by the May

944
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Speaker 5: Day Coalition, and this is an escalation of tactics. It's

945
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Speaker 5: no shopping, no schools, no business, no work as usual,

946
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Speaker 5: and it's an attempt to develop the kind of movement

947
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Speaker 5: muscles we're going to need come November.

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Speaker 1: None of this what Trump is doing as popular. One

949
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Speaker 1: of the really successful protests that the resistance to trump

950
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Speaker 1: Ism had was the Target protests. Yeah, I would love

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Speaker 1: you to just sort of thread the needle between the

952
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Speaker 1: two things.

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Speaker 5: Look, I think economic power is a occasionally utilized tactic,

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Speaker 5: and it needs to be much more prevalent in the movement,

955
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Speaker 5: is what i'd say. And shout out to the folks

956
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Speaker 5: who were leading on the Target protest, not for days,

957
00:51:04,680 --> 00:51:09,120
Speaker 5: not for weeks, but for months upon months, applying pressure

958
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Speaker 5: to Target for dropping its dipolicies in response to trump bullying.

959
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Speaker 5: And Target's not alone. They're not the only bad actor

960
00:51:15,400 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 5: we saw early last year. It was just they were

961
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Speaker 5: dropping like flies. Law firms and universities and media institutions

962
00:51:21,400 --> 00:51:25,319
Speaker 5: couldn't fall fast enough in response to Trump's bullying. And

963
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Speaker 5: they need to understand that there will be consequences for

964
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Speaker 5: capitulating to this regime. And we saw with Target. We

965
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Speaker 5: saw with a Velo Airlines were successful protesting of Avelo

966
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Speaker 5: Airlines stopped them from running these deportation flights. We saw

967
00:51:43,880 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 5: it with Disney when they tried to kick Kim off

968
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Speaker 5: the air, and immediately millions of people went to cancel

969
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Speaker 5: their subscriptions. We saw it with Spotify, which was running

970
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Speaker 5: recruitment ads for ICE up until the end of last year.

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Speaker 5: We ran a big Spotify boycott campaign. They have now

972
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Speaker 5: backed off. They are not running recruitment ads for ICE.

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Speaker 5: I think headed into November, we really need to think

974
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Speaker 5: about the economic power that we have at the grassroots

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Speaker 5: and pick strategic fights that apply that power in ways

976
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Speaker 5: that prevent the regime from consolidating force. This isn't something new.

977
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Speaker 5: George Washington was boycott and the British because he was

978
00:52:16,200 --> 00:52:18,399
Speaker 5: pissed off. You never bought goods from the British again

979
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Speaker 5: after the Revolution. Boycotts and economic power are central to

980
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Speaker 5: how democracies sustain themselves and prevent authoritarians from clinching control.

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Speaker 5: I think it's an important path forward for us.

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Speaker 1: So Ezra on Saturday morning, I will be co hosting

983
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Speaker 1: the weekend show out of DC, so who knows, maybe

984
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Speaker 1: I will see you in that morning when everybody's getting ready.

985
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Speaker 1: But I want you to tell us what we should

986
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Speaker 1: be doing.

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Speaker 2: If you are listening to this podcast.

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Speaker 5: The number one thing I would do everybody listening to

989
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Speaker 5: this podcast. I already know you're going to No King's protests.

990
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Speaker 5: Y'all are great that way. Here's my challenge to you.

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Speaker 5: Think of three people in your life who are not protesters,

992
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Speaker 5: who are not activists, but who you know are pissed

993
00:52:56,160 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 5: off about what's happening. Text them and give them the

994
00:52:58,800 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 5: gift of this invitation to beat with you. Not everybody's

995
00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 5: going to accept the gift, that's okay, then text a

996
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 5: few more people. But if we're going to make this

997
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:08,279
Speaker 5: the largest protest in Austry, we all need to play

998
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,720
Speaker 5: a role in recruiting our friends and family and colleagues

999
00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,799
Speaker 5: and reluctant participants in this work to be part of

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Speaker 5: this big, powerful, boisterous event on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, thank you, Thank you, Ezra, Thanks Mollie.

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Speaker 2: Momle fuck Jesse Cannon, So Molly.

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Speaker 3: Yesterday the New York Times put up some real journalism.

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Speaker 3: I liked the artful photos of Greg Bovino in trees.

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Speaker 3: I could have done with that, but they really got

1006
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,759
Speaker 3: to woll you this status. Yeah, they really really did

1007
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Speaker 3: a great job. But there's a notable part of this,

1008
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Speaker 3: which is that Homeland Security had tweeted out that they

1009
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Speaker 3: were going to deport one hundred million people at one

1010
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Speaker 3: point and everyone when that's almost a third of the

1011
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Speaker 3: fucking population.

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Speaker 4: Where did this.

1013
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Speaker 3: Come from the mind of a man who loves fashion

1014
00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,359
Speaker 3: from the forties, who just loves a jacket that really

1015
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 3: resembles two letters that are at the end of the alphabet,

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Speaker 3: Greg Bovino.

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Speaker 1: I mean, basically, the point of this whole thing is

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Speaker 1: that Greg Vivino wants to deport. His whole thing was

1019
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Speaker 1: he wanted to deport one hundred million people. There are

1020
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Speaker 1: only three hundred and thirty million people in this country,

1021
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Speaker 1: which means he wants to deport everyone who doesn't look

1022
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Speaker 1: like Greg Vivino.

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Speaker 3: That sounds about right, But I think it's not always

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Speaker 3: even just look, because she could have resemble looks, but

1025
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Speaker 3: you might have a certain religion that one of us has.

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Speaker 5: Between the two of us.

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Speaker 1: Hey man, as a Jew, you know, they're like ten

1028
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Speaker 1: of us. It's like five point eight to seven point six.

1029
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Speaker 1: We are two percent of America. There is no way.

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Speaker 2: Fun stuff, fun stuff.

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Speaker 1: That's it for this episode of Fast Politics. Tune in

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