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Speaker 1: Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brovis, Rob Phillips,
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Speaker 1: Welcome to Talking Cowboys. Bill Jones with the still bearded
Speaker 1: Mickey Spagnola. Good evening, good afternoon, whatever it is. I'm tired,
Speaker 1: Good even was a late night last night. Oh you
Speaker 1: watch the Stars game? Oh? I was there? Oh you
Speaker 1: are well? You watched it? Did you were there? I'm
Speaker 1: emotionally worn out. And that play? Is that a playoff
Speaker 1: hockey beard? That is two losses away from getting shaved off? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I think so. Actually I looked at it this morning
Speaker 1: and I said, you know, I think it's time to go.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah so no, say thought Rob had two months
Speaker 1: ago about your beard? Yeah pretty much. Did you watch
Speaker 1: basketball last night? I couldn't. I mean one lead, I'm
Speaker 1: going to bed. I quit watch. I flipped over. And
Speaker 1: I watched the Stars game, and I knew that Golden
Speaker 1: stated a thirty one point lead and somebody won a
Speaker 1: lot of money. That video that's gone viral of the fan.
Speaker 1: There's a fan uh, an older guy about Mickey's age,
Speaker 1: who watched yourself? Older gentleman, who's just going nuts because
Speaker 1: the Clippers won that game? Brian? How are you doing
Speaker 1: doing well? Boys? Thank you for having me here today.
Speaker 1: The first question I wanted to ask today is who
Speaker 1: is the happiest man in America? Would it be I'll
Speaker 1: give you, I'll give you a few choices. Would it
Speaker 1: be DeMarcus Lawrence? Would k and Kid Garrison? How are
Speaker 1: you good? Good to be here? DeMarcus Lawrence? Would he
Speaker 1: be the happiest man in America? Or would it be
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson? Four years, one hundred forty million, the same
Speaker 1: sixty five million guarantee. I'll tell you what. How about
Speaker 1: Russ Wilson? Basically saying, if you don't have to sing
Speaker 1: done by April fifteenth, we're gonna have some problems. That
Speaker 1: little general manager got it done there, Seattle. Good for him.
Speaker 1: Your buddy up there. That's a QB with some stroke there. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been to two Super Bowls one one. He's your franchise, yeah.
Speaker 1: Or would it be Dak Prescott, Ah, that's interesting. Interesting?
Speaker 1: Or would it be Tiger Woods. Vote for Tiger. Would
Speaker 1: be very happy. And Brian can say he was at
Speaker 1: the Master's first seven minutes. No, I was there for
Speaker 1: the practice round. You can still sign with you where
Speaker 1: I was there. I was on the grounds. You know
Speaker 1: what's funny though, do you kind of feel like, though
Speaker 1: Mickey All asked this question because you're a cap guy,
Speaker 1: do you feel like the Cowboys, since they got the
Speaker 1: Lawrence deal done for less than market value, that they
Speaker 1: can get this Prescott deal done for less than market value.
Speaker 1: I think they want to. I don't. I mean you
Speaker 1: have to define what market value okay, because I don't
Speaker 1: think Wilson sets market value for a guy that's been
Speaker 1: in the league three years. Okay, So you're thinking, so
Speaker 1: would your number be somewhere between twenty six and twenty
Speaker 1: eight then a year sometime't even know if I'd be
Speaker 1: that much. Okay. Oh, this is gonna be interesting because
Speaker 1: I'm not negotiating the contract. No, but but it's interesting
Speaker 1: how the Cowboys, you know, they came in. They came
Speaker 1: in under market value. Though, if you think about it
Speaker 1: for Lawrence and that only one guy was more, what
Speaker 1: was market value? Well, if you think about that Donald,
Speaker 1: if you add the defensive lineman all together, if you
Speaker 1: had Donald and then you addu Khalil Khalil Mack, and
Speaker 1: then you also talk about von Miller, von Miller, he
Speaker 1: was right behind those three. Von Miller. What in terms
Speaker 1: of guaranteed money? I think he's right behind those three guys. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he guaranteed money. Yeah, I thought you guys were talking
Speaker 1: about average. No, just guaranteed money. What's Russell Wilson's new average?
Speaker 1: Thirty five? Okay, yeah, thirty five. There's no way you'll
Speaker 1: want to know what Dak Prescott's currently ranked in the NFL.
Speaker 1: I haven't feeling I've heard this before, so I won't
Speaker 1: spoil it. But I've heard this before. Go ahead. According
Speaker 1: to over the Cap, he makes six eighty roughly yea thousand,
Speaker 1: sixty ninth. Wait, what do you mean six eighty that's
Speaker 1: that's his base average per year? Yeah, yeah, sixty nine.
Speaker 1: He's one spot ahead of Mike White. He's got some
Speaker 1: he's got some elements making more than two million this year. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but he got some escalators from because play times, Yeah,
Speaker 1: plenty times. His bass salary is what you're saying. Yeah,
Speaker 1: bass salary is six hundred thousand dollars. That's not the
Speaker 1: Cowboys fault that he lasted to the fourth round. I'm
Speaker 1: just saying he's due for a major rays. And if
Speaker 1: you look at some of these guys that are in
Speaker 1: the top ten in average salary, her cousins, Garoppolo, Stafford,
Speaker 1: Derek Carr, they're all at twenty between twenty five and
Speaker 1: twenty eight million a year. Dak can say I'm as
Speaker 1: accomplished as any of those guys. It's just the deal
Speaker 1: you try and do for high guarantee early like two
Speaker 1: three years, three years guarantee early, and thence to get
Speaker 1: out of it at the end if something were to happen. No,
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm I'm worried about getting out of it,
Speaker 1: but I think the guarantee early can reduce what the
Speaker 1: total packages like I'm giving, I'm guarantee you this money right,
Speaker 1: so now I don't have to pay you thirty million
Speaker 1: a year. See That's what I'm saying. But didn't we
Speaker 1: kind of have to go through that because of Tony Romo.
Speaker 1: Didn't we go through some dead money years there for
Speaker 1: a couple of years it was the signing bonus stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but I'm just saying though it's dead money, right? Am
Speaker 1: I wrong about that? Well? Do you try if you don't,
Speaker 1: if you don't fulfill the contract? Right? But what are
Speaker 1: we interested in doing that? Or do we want this
Speaker 1: thing to go long term? I mean you you basically
Speaker 1: scheduled lords that way, right. He's young enough to go
Speaker 1: long term. Just doesn't really matter ultimately, because we've talked
Speaker 1: about it. Those those over the life of the deal
Speaker 1: numbers are inflated. You're looking at the guaranteed money, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: So whether it's a six year deal or whether it's
Speaker 1: a three or four year deal, how much is he guaranteed?
Speaker 1: Because that's what you're really on the hook for. So
Speaker 1: what we talk about Lawrence's deal really in essence, it's
Speaker 1: three years, that's right. Yeah, so three years, twenty one
Speaker 1: and a half million a year. And we were talking
Speaker 1: about this upstairs before the show. Cousins they just went
Speaker 1: ahead and I don't know how long his deal is,
Speaker 1: but they just three years. Three years, Okay, he's through
Speaker 1: twenty twenty one, and they just guaranteed the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: which would you consider do the same thing for Prescott
Speaker 1: if he gives me less? If I if I if
Speaker 1: Cousins twenty eight five, he's getting twenty eight a year,
Speaker 1: twenty eight total values eighty four million. Yeah, yeah, you
Speaker 1: get Prescott three years, ninety million dollars guaranteed, So thirty
Speaker 1: million a year, thirty million a year for three years.
Speaker 1: He's going to be your quarterback for the next three seasons. Okay,
Speaker 1: So yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would have a
Speaker 1: problem with that. You're good, mickey, We're good with that much?
Speaker 1: Would he would he want to do that? Okay? Or
Speaker 1: would he want longer security? I'm waiting minute, hang on,
Speaker 1: let's be we're bearing the lead here, Mickey. What do
Speaker 1: you got it's too much? Three years somewhere around twenty
Speaker 1: five two? How do we? How do we? How do
Speaker 1: we get around Garoppolo's contract? See, that's the thing I
Speaker 1: make you get out of Garoppolo's contract. I just pointed
Speaker 1: this out. Derek Carr's making twenty five million a year.
Speaker 1: Garoppolo's making twenty seven five. Yeah. Staffords at twenty seven. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins is at twenty eight. Prescott. I mean, if
Speaker 1: I'm Dak, I can say, Look, man, I've been in
Speaker 1: the playoffs twice, won a game in the Pro Bowl twice.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I don't know what they're saying, but
Speaker 1: I'm saying that that's making sense. That's the give and take, right.
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I've accomplished as much as any of
Speaker 1: these guys. Matt Ryan makes thirty million a year. What's
Speaker 1: the four NCAP? What's the franchise take? I don't know,
Speaker 1: Like off the top of my head, it's over twenty eight,
Speaker 1: isn't it. It's pretty high. I hate it. I don't
Speaker 1: remember stuff like this. I'm just looking at contract. I
Speaker 1: just know the pass rushing one because of that attack. Yeah, um,
Speaker 1: let's look it up real quick. But but see to me, though,
Speaker 1: maybe you find a way to guarantee this contract the
Speaker 1: first three years. In that way, you're not into you
Speaker 1: no money at the end. You know, maybe it's maybe
Speaker 1: it's what if he if he outplays it, then you know,
Speaker 1: good for you now. But I I don't know, Mickey.
Speaker 1: I think you you're negotiating out of fear that he's
Speaker 1: not good enough by by structuring it that way, by
Speaker 1: making it shorter, by making it shorter, Yeah, but I
Speaker 1: just don't you would do that with an older player. Right.
Speaker 1: The quarterback tag is twenty four point eighth, so it's
Speaker 1: not that high for this year. Yeah, this year, next
Speaker 1: year it'll be more now than Wilson just throw thirty
Speaker 1: five and a half a million, you know, Mickey, I'm
Speaker 1: I don't think I'm scared, but I but I don't
Speaker 1: want to be saddled. Does that? Does that? Does that
Speaker 1: make sense that I'm trying to think about a way
Speaker 1: because if he outplays a contract in three years, I mean,
Speaker 1: if it's if it's ninety million dollars guaranteed for three
Speaker 1: years and he outplays it, he might be you know,
Speaker 1: there might be other quarterbacks to go past that. But
Speaker 1: that to me is you know, if that's if that's
Speaker 1: a way to where I don't have to have something
Speaker 1: long term. You know, I'm just trying to look much
Speaker 1: flexibility that does that give you as far as the
Speaker 1: cap goes. See, that's where I'm just throwing out numbers
Speaker 1: like I'm a drunken sailor. Well, it doesn't because it
Speaker 1: doesn't give you the flexibility that I'll longer term contract
Speaker 1: because guys that you need to do. Normally, you would
Speaker 1: say the cap is going to improve, right, so I
Speaker 1: could absorb a bigger deal, sure, but if I've got
Speaker 1: to absorb, you know, however, it's structured. See, I don't
Speaker 1: think we're gonna get anything a big base salary. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're basically looking at more than franchise tag. There's you're
Speaker 1: on your cap for three straight years plus and I
Speaker 1: don't I would have to be in my notes. But
Speaker 1: because twenty twenty one it is could could be the
Speaker 1: strike year, very likely, you've got to structure your contracts
Speaker 1: differently for twenty twenty and twenty twenty one because you
Speaker 1: remember what the Cowboys tried to pull with Miles Austin. Yeah,
Speaker 1: we got in trouble for that and got in trouble.
Speaker 1: So you can't. There's a clause in that twenty twenty
Speaker 1: one season that you have to adhere to that is
Speaker 1: going to affect how contracts are structured, like twenty twenty
Speaker 1: to twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one can't be rule
Speaker 1: yeah that he jumps from base salary, So you have
Speaker 1: to be careful. So you know, you can't just sit
Speaker 1: there and go I'll just pay him. Oh no, I'm
Speaker 1: twenty five million. I'm just doing stupid radio right now,
Speaker 1: is what I'm doing. I'm just trying to think of
Speaker 1: ways that I can can get this guy done but
Speaker 1: still have the ability, like you say, Bill, to have
Speaker 1: some flexibility. It's gonna be tough, but I mean in
Speaker 1: Mickey's right for calling me out for maybe being scared.
Speaker 1: He's right to do that because you know, deep down
Speaker 1: in my heart, I want to believe the guy wins.
Speaker 1: He does what he has to do. You know, is
Speaker 1: he better than is he better than all those quarterbacks
Speaker 1: you read, you know, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford that you know, Garoppolo. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: he is. Absolutely, he's better than those guys. Well, Ryan
Speaker 1: got his team to a super Bowl. He did. That's
Speaker 1: a good point. I think he's didn't, right, Yeah. Or Cousins, Yeah,
Speaker 1: see I I Cousins. Has you ever had a playoff win?
Speaker 1: Have they ever been to the playoffs for that guy? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I guess one time. You know, it's interesting what DeMarcus
Speaker 1: and Steven shared last week with the over the phone.
Speaker 1: I mean, Tank said, look, it's not my problem that
Speaker 1: you've got to get all these guys signed. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: Stephen also told him you're not as good as those
Speaker 1: guys you're talking about. Yeah, but I mean to some
Speaker 1: degree though, the players out to get as much as
Speaker 1: he can. That's his right. And dak Is, by virtue
Speaker 1: of being draft in the fourth round, has missed out
Speaker 1: on a lot of money. So you know, that's not
Speaker 1: my problem. I don't have to make up for it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm just saying he's not. I can't imagine he's gonna
Speaker 1: want to settle for way below market value just because
Speaker 1: other guys. What's twenty four million dollars? I mean, that's
Speaker 1: what the franchise tag is, right, So so what have
Speaker 1: we decided the market value is for Dad? We really
Speaker 1: have it, we haven't. Seven and a half has grew up.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get him thirty. He's more interesting. Trying
Speaker 1: to keep him at twenty seven, I believe making him
Speaker 1: I right about that for twenty five Yeah, yeah, something
Speaker 1: like that. And then Rob is trying to give us
Speaker 1: numbers to work with and it's not really helping me.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's a little like the Kalil Max situation
Speaker 1: with Tank. I mean, Khalil set the market, but nobody
Speaker 1: was going to exceed that. I don't, I don't. You know,
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson's deal is not going to get exceeded here.
Speaker 1: I wouldn't think just because it's thirty five million a year.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be twenty eight. Is it
Speaker 1: fair to comparability to Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott ability?
Speaker 1: There's some skill sets for sure, yeah, but overall production
Speaker 1: Russ is on his way to a Hall of Fame career.
Speaker 1: You know, he's been doing this for a long time.
Speaker 1: It's a different situation. Is the most important thing for
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame career, which is a super super win.
Speaker 1: Should add two? Yeah, should have had too, should add too?
Speaker 1: But you know again is that's not Dak's fault. But see,
Speaker 1: we just can't come to grips that Dak Prescott's a
Speaker 1: thirty million dollar player. I mean, I think I have,
Speaker 1: but I but then again, I'm spending like I own
Speaker 1: this team. I'm probably not the right thing to do. Honestly,
Speaker 1: looking at this list, I mean I've come to grips
Speaker 1: with it too, because this is what it costs to
Speaker 1: pay a quarterback that you want to be your starter
Speaker 1: for several years, doesn't as we all wait, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: as why because this is what it costs. What are
Speaker 1: you paying him? Yeah? What am I paying him? When? When? Yeah,
Speaker 1: sometime in the next year. Well, unless you want to
Speaker 1: franchise him, you're doing it this year. Next year my indication,
Speaker 1: I mean everything we've we've heard they're gonna work on
Speaker 1: this thing. And would it shock you if it gets
Speaker 1: done before the season, then I should I should get
Speaker 1: a discount because I don't he could make his two
Speaker 1: million dollars if he doesn't like my number. I've I'm
Speaker 1: not following you there, man, I don't have to. I
Speaker 1: don't have to pay him this year. No, you don't, No,
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't. You don't, you don't. But and
Speaker 1: I would have control of him next year too, right,
Speaker 1: that's true for on a Yeah, for franchise tag. You
Speaker 1: a franchise tag. Yeah, So teams have done that, You
Speaker 1: cousins did it? Do you want your sixty five million
Speaker 1: dollars signing bonus two years before I have to give
Speaker 1: it to you? And I think you have to factor
Speaker 1: that into the negotiation. So you're saying, with two years
Speaker 1: to go, still, if you wanted this deal, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to take it to twenty six million dollars. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because you're getting your money ahead of time, two years
Speaker 1: ahead of time. You know I would get a discount. Well,
Speaker 1: he's gonna argue I'm the most underpaid player in the
Speaker 1: league already. Well, then we're gonna have. But it's not
Speaker 1: the Cowboys' fault that he got drafted in the fourth round.
Speaker 1: It's like, I can take you back to nineteen ninety
Speaker 1: when the Cowboys drafted Alexander Wright first pick in the
Speaker 1: second round. It was the twenty eighth pick in the
Speaker 1: draft because somebody forfeited their pick in the first round,
Speaker 1: and his agent argued that he was a first round player. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and they're saying, not my fault, you're a second round
Speaker 1: that's fair. So this is the same thing. It's not
Speaker 1: my fault that you lasted to the fourth round, and
Speaker 1: I don't have to make up for whatever you didn't
Speaker 1: mate just because you played well. No. It's interesting because Dak,
Speaker 1: even though he has not had the playoffs success and
Speaker 1: his numbers may not match up exactly with Russell Wilson,
Speaker 1: he's at the same point in his career now and
Speaker 1: fourth round draft pick. Russell Wilson was a third round
Speaker 1: draft pick as Wilson was his last contract, which was
Speaker 1: his second contract in the which was I assume you've
Speaker 1: got it four year and of course taking into account
Speaker 1: NFL inflation on this, this is in twenty fifteen. He
Speaker 1: got four years, eighty seven point six million with sixty
Speaker 1: one point five guaranteed. There you go twenty two million
Speaker 1: a year, right, So now inflated by four years in
Speaker 1: the NFL, what do you have twenty five? Though? What it? Tank?
Speaker 1: Tank got what about a million per year over what
Speaker 1: his franchise number would have been? Yes, are you thinking
Speaker 1: the same thing? I'm just thinking if you do that
Speaker 1: with Dak it would be about twenty five and a
Speaker 1: half six. Sure, just thinking just spitballing here, but it
Speaker 1: kind of it kind of puts him in that pocket
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks we think he's better than. Right, Yeah, Drew
Speaker 1: Brees is in this in this mixed step. That's the
Speaker 1: rarity of Drew Brees and Tom Brady and those guys.
Speaker 1: Luck Steel was signed a long time ago too. Back
Speaker 1: to what I was saying earlier, I mean I'm just
Speaker 1: saying that's if you want to keep a quarterback long
Speaker 1: term three years or longer, this is what it costs. Now,
Speaker 1: you could, I mean, you could start over, but what
Speaker 1: are the odds of who wants to do that? I mean,
Speaker 1: this is this is by all accounts, this is your guy. Oh,
Speaker 1: I'm the advocate of change him out, you know, I
Speaker 1: think you got to sign him for five or six years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm the I'm the advocate of. This is the one
Speaker 1: organization that the general manager is not going anywhere. And
Speaker 1: if you really wanted to play the experiment of changing
Speaker 1: out a quarterback every four years, not to pay them,
Speaker 1: this would be the organization to do it, because, like
Speaker 1: I said, the general manager's not going anywhere. Owner's not
Speaker 1: going anywhere. This is the one team that could do
Speaker 1: that and see if it actually would work. You have
Speaker 1: to be able to trust that you're going to find guys.
Speaker 1: I mean you'd have to. Yeah, you'd have to kind
Speaker 1: of luck out because you're you're not planning on being bad,
Speaker 1: so you're not going to get a top five pick. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: if you look at how they structured Lawrence's contract, after
Speaker 1: three years, they can get out of it for five
Speaker 1: million dead in the fourth year and five million dead
Speaker 1: in the fifth year if you make them a June
Speaker 1: one by pro rating the signing bonus, Mickey got Folks
Speaker 1: are asking me on periscope period that you were all
Speaker 1: in on the Romo deal. What was there something there
Speaker 1: was a hold up on that or something like that.
Speaker 1: Am I missing something or am I jogging your memory
Speaker 1: on something you want me to remember back to twenty thirteen. No,
Speaker 1: I was trying. I didn't know if there was some
Speaker 1: hold up there that maybe that that we were all that,
Speaker 1: maybe that I was maybe we're arguing the same thing.
Speaker 1: I don't think there was. I don't think that because
Speaker 1: I don't remember there being anything contentious because when he
Speaker 1: got signed, it was like, oh, I mean it was
Speaker 1: good Friday, Yeah Friday, Yeah, good Friday, Good Friday. It's
Speaker 1: this Friday. It is this is Friday. There was a
Speaker 1: hell of a Friday for tot Romo. It was indeed, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 1: you know, I think that to me, I don't know.
Speaker 1: I'm just I feel like though that the guy wins,
Speaker 1: he wins, absolutely wins. The bottom line is and but
Speaker 1: I'm trying to find a spot between my thirty million
Speaker 1: dollars a year and Mickey's twenty five. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: find something there, and I don't know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if I don't know how this one was gonna is
Speaker 1: gonna go, you know, And I really I shouldn't act
Speaker 1: like I knew how the it sounds like to me,
Speaker 1: the Lawrence one started off just terribly well. Don't you
Speaker 1: think if Derek Carr two years ago got five years,
Speaker 1: one hundred and twenty five million, seventy million guaranteed, that
Speaker 1: Dak is going to get more? I would say fairly
Speaker 1: significantly more than that kind of what I was saying.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's like, no offense to Derek Carr, but
Speaker 1: what's he what's he done? I mean, because that's not
Speaker 1: the Cowboys problem, right, well I'm talking about I'm talking
Speaker 1: about Okay, that's fine, I mean, agent proceeds. But just
Speaker 1: because one club just blows the market the average market
Speaker 1: value for this, but it doesn't mean I gotta adhere
Speaker 1: to But it's not one club. It's Jimmy Garoppolo, it's
Speaker 1: Kirk Cousins, it's I mean, I can go down to
Speaker 1: this and what's there? What's their salary cap? Situation when
Speaker 1: they did it and when and their Opland salary cap
Speaker 1: situation went through the roof, and that's why they traded
Speaker 1: Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper and Amari Cooper. But Derek
Speaker 1: Carr was coming off a twelve and three season playoff
Speaker 1: season when he signed that contract in June of two
Speaker 1: thousand and seven and teen. And you know, I think
Speaker 1: I think you're for sure looking at twenty eight million
Speaker 1: dollars a year for Dak. If I had to guess,
Speaker 1: I'd think so too. I mean, I grew up. That's
Speaker 1: I think that's the base now. I mean you can compromise, obviously, Tank,
Speaker 1: If seven and a half million a year, then Dak's
Speaker 1: gonna get twenty eight million a year. Let me ask
Speaker 1: you this, please, could he get a second contract? Do
Speaker 1: you think Dad could? If you if we if we
Speaker 1: structured in a way we went with the early guarantee
Speaker 1: like I was talking about, Yeah, do you think he
Speaker 1: could get the second contract? Like Russell Wilson is just gunning? Yeah?
Speaker 1: I mean Bill, Bill's talking about the eighty four million
Speaker 1: dollar contract that he got. Then could he get another contract?
Speaker 1: Dak will be what twenty six This summer. I mean,
Speaker 1: so for four years from now he'll be where Russell.
Speaker 1: The Cowboys hope that he's where Russell Wilson is. So
Speaker 1: so we start small and then try and get there.
Speaker 1: I'm not small, but we start big and then try
Speaker 1: and work our way. I guess that's why I was
Speaker 1: trying with the thirty million for the three years and
Speaker 1: the guarantee. I was I was maybe in the Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson plan here and like give him the opportunity in
Speaker 1: three years and even bigger. Exactly Tony kind of did that.
Speaker 1: I don't remember his numbers in oh seven when he
Speaker 1: got his first extension. I think it was like, I mean,
Speaker 1: this is over. This is a dozen years ago. But
Speaker 1: it was like sixty seven million. And then he gets
Speaker 1: he cashes in what five years later? Was it a
Speaker 1: five year deal? No, he he signed that extension, that
Speaker 1: his first extension. He was he was about I thought
Speaker 1: it was six when they cornered him in the room. No, no, No,
Speaker 1: he wasn't before was that Parcels. That was Parcels and
Speaker 1: Jerrys that was in Parcels. And when Parcels was in
Speaker 1: the middle of the oh seven season, he got another
Speaker 1: big extension coming off a playoff Berth and I don't
Speaker 1: I don't remember how many years it was, but he
Speaker 1: was able to cash in a few years later at
Speaker 1: just over thirty years old, for one hundred plus millions.
Speaker 1: So we're liking the Russell Wilson plan here, aren't we? Maybe?
Speaker 1: I think so? All right, Okay, ready to move on? Yeah? Sure, Bill,
Speaker 1: I am I love, I've got tired head. I want
Speaker 1: to get it. Numbers kill me too. I don't want
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Speaker 1: slash Draft Day for details. But no AF Championship game right,
Speaker 1: Oh that's right, yep, yep, I kind of bit the
Speaker 1: dust was going to be scheduled there for Saturday night,
Speaker 1: all right, Yes, Friday is the big list from Brian
Speaker 1: broad Us. Okay, got the top one hundred. Yeah, I've
Speaker 1: never done a list, ever done a list of one
Speaker 1: hundred players before. I've always done fifty. But the fact
Speaker 1: that the team doesn't have a first round pick a
Speaker 1: you know, fifty eight would be you have to go deep.
Speaker 1: That thing took me eight hours to do. I bet seriously, man,
Speaker 1: was up here on Saturday. Yeah, I was trying. I really.
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe it's something because I'm old and I
Speaker 1: don't think as well as I once did not to
Speaker 1: mention the untold hours that you've spent over the last
Speaker 1: few months. Appreciate that I do, but but man, it
Speaker 1: is hard when you get down to the like you
Speaker 1: near that zone of somewhere between sixty five and eighty five,
Speaker 1: and you're trying to get those players in the right
Speaker 1: order because those are important, important picks. When you're picking
Speaker 1: fifty eight, those are important important picks, and especially if
Speaker 1: you want to back up a little bit here. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's a I'm excited. It'll be out Friday
Speaker 1: on Dallas Cowboys dot com. So when it gets out there,
Speaker 1: feel free to tear it up. But folks, I'll remind
Speaker 1: you it is my list. It's not your list. It's
Speaker 1: my list, So you know, feel free if you want
Speaker 1: to present one top one hundred, I'll be happy to
Speaker 1: look at it. But again, it is my list. Some
Speaker 1: people like vanilla and some people like chocolate. Chocolate. Yes,
Speaker 1: remember that. Remember that. It's if you if you do
Speaker 1: the work, I'll listen to you. If you don't do
Speaker 1: the work, stay away from me like a statue. And
Speaker 1: absolutely absolutely um my concern is two thousand and nine,
Speaker 1: the Cowboys didn't have a first round draft pick. This
Speaker 1: team is better equipped. They didn't have a second round
Speaker 1: pick either. They traded, They traded twice out of it.
Speaker 1: That's right. But the what eases my concern is that
Speaker 1: two thousand and nine draft may have been the worst
Speaker 1: draft overall in recent memory. I think it, for as
Speaker 1: many picks as they had, it was poorly executed. And
Speaker 1: I'm not talking just from a Cowboys perspective. Yeah, in general,
Speaker 1: I think that draft was a really poor draft. If
Speaker 1: you go through there's a lot of teams. If you do,
Speaker 1: you're absolutely right, Bill, and you're fair to mention that
Speaker 1: because there were several teams that took a swing at
Speaker 1: the plate and came up empty. Oh for four sombreros
Speaker 1: for everybody, that kind of thing. So yeah, it was
Speaker 1: a very difficult draft for a lot of teams. It
Speaker 1: surely didn't help this team at all. That that was
Speaker 1: as that was going along, and then you watched how
Speaker 1: it unfolded and you saw the players come in. And
Speaker 1: if you go back and if you ever go on
Speaker 1: like the Pro Football Reference and you look at that draft,
Speaker 1: the only guy that's had any significant playing time is
Speaker 1: John Phillips, right. Everybody else played one game, three games,
Speaker 1: no games, you know, John Phillips played like sixty eight.
Speaker 1: But I think, and I haven't looked at it recently,
Speaker 1: I think you could go back and look at that
Speaker 1: overall draft and you won't find a lot of players. No, No,
Speaker 1: at fifty one or whatever it was. Yeah, we didn't
Speaker 1: do much of anything in this league. Absolutely. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: was tough. It was. It was tough on a lot
Speaker 1: of people. But I think this team is better equipped
Speaker 1: to handle. You know, they're very comfortable draft in here now,
Speaker 1: and that's good. You know. I was actually I was
Speaker 1: talking with Jerry Jones Jr. This morning. I had to
Speaker 1: drop something off to him, and he was talking about
Speaker 1: trusting the board and seeing the board and all that,
Speaker 1: and it just it makes a lot of sense now
Speaker 1: to me. You know, that's something that we never really
Speaker 1: were able to grasp when I was here and now
Speaker 1: they have a much better understanding of you know, hey,
Speaker 1: put the guy there, the reason he's there, and when
Speaker 1: it comes time, take that guy, you know. So I
Speaker 1: think that's a good thing for this organization. How important
Speaker 1: is this draft? I'm looking back at ten years ago
Speaker 1: and what happened with the Cowboys on the heels. Okay,
Speaker 1: thirteen and three and oh seven and eight O nine,
Speaker 1: O nine playoffs, whatever. You had the comparison between now
Speaker 1: and ten years ago, and you looked at ten eleven
Speaker 1: and twelve things, you know, offensive line got old and
Speaker 1: they had to redo the offensive line and so forth,
Speaker 1: and that was you got into an eight and eight
Speaker 1: whole old uh you know era of this franchise. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you paid a lot of money to defensive end. DeMarcus
Speaker 1: wareback then, quarterback was into money. Tied end was making money.
Speaker 1: I mean, you go down the board, you just traded
Speaker 1: a wide receiver, didn't have a first round draft pick.
Speaker 1: How important is this draft in order to make sure
Speaker 1: that what happened ten years ago doesn't happen going forward?
Speaker 1: Here you had all a lot of contrent you know,
Speaker 1: the Miles Austin stuff. Yeah, you had you were entering
Speaker 1: a phase two where you're getting close to that uh
Speaker 1: CBA year where they got into salary cap hell, and
Speaker 1: that team got old, right, Yeah, and that's why this
Speaker 1: draft is. And I don't know that they're in jeopardy
Speaker 1: of getting old time, but that's what happened that year
Speaker 1: because they didn't supplement their roster and all of a
Speaker 1: sudden they got old. And uh what I forgot his
Speaker 1: first name Brewster? It was a Robert Robert Brewster. You
Speaker 1: should have had a round lineman there. You took him
Speaker 1: in the third round, right, should have been able to
Speaker 1: step in. Sure, Bill Nagel playing for you. I cannot
Speaker 1: believe Robert Brewster when we walked into the locker room
Speaker 1: first time, look worse than me. I went, wow. But
Speaker 1: now that's that happens, you know. And sometimes you get
Speaker 1: in a rut and you and you don't your board's
Speaker 1: not as good and you're not as prepared, and you
Speaker 1: think you're doing the right thing and an actuality you're
Speaker 1: really hurting your team. But yeah, I think that, you know,
Speaker 1: I think that Will McClay, Stephen Jones, Jerry Jones. I
Speaker 1: think I'll say one thing, and I think I've admitted
Speaker 1: this before. I give this this coach hell about X's nose,
Speaker 1: But I would love to work with this coach in
Speaker 1: the draft room. I think he knows players, I really do.
Speaker 1: And I think that's why your roster has got a chance.
Speaker 1: That's I think why your roster has gotten a little
Speaker 1: bit better every year because they're able to go to him.
Speaker 1: There's trust that he will make the right evaluation. You know,
Speaker 1: there's players that they've drafted it he didn't want, and
Speaker 1: there's players that he stood on the table for. I
Speaker 1: just remember him standing there trying to tell Jerry and
Speaker 1: everybody in the room. You know, you see him lining
Speaker 1: up to Dak Prescott, you know, hey, yeah, this guy
Speaker 1: can do this. And do you know those are the
Speaker 1: kinds of decisions and leadership you need in the draft room.
Speaker 1: And it runs in his family. I mean his father,
Speaker 1: Jim for six years. Yeah. Absolutely. One more thing about
Speaker 1: the O nine draft. I mean, you're way behind the
Speaker 1: eight ball if you're picking first your first picks in
Speaker 1: the third round and bundling picks is fine, but what
Speaker 1: eventually you gotta sit and you gotta take a good player,
Speaker 1: and so it's a little different to me. The other
Speaker 1: thing is they made that they lost their first rounder
Speaker 1: that year because what they flipped it for Roy Williams, Right,
Speaker 1: that is a gigantic swing, and miss Amari Cooper is
Speaker 1: a looks like a home run. That's just different to me.
Speaker 1: It's apples. That's a good evaluation with the pro department
Speaker 1: and the college guys working together, and then you've got
Speaker 1: the owner willing to make that move again. I've sat there.
Speaker 1: I've sat there with him when he didn't have picks,
Speaker 1: first round picks. It's most an agonizing thing you can
Speaker 1: watch a man go through. That's why they're going to
Speaker 1: watch Amar Cooper highlight. Yeah, yeah, did you feel a
Speaker 1: little better? Pay attention that draft too, But if you,
Speaker 1: if you, if you think about it, from the nineteen
Speaker 1: ninety four draft through when Jason became the head coach,
Speaker 1: only one head coach had a voice in the draft
Speaker 1: room or wanted to have a voice, and it was Parcels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and he wasn't always right, but he at least spoke up.
Speaker 1: Switzer didn't mind that Gaily was so new. They didn't
Speaker 1: trust him. Campo kind of went along. Dave Dave, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we did. Dave no favorite and and Wade Phillips, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I didn't know about coach about Unfortunately the time he
Speaker 1: spoke up, it was for for Williams. Yeah, way too old.
Speaker 1: Jason Williams, the linebacker. That was their topic. And yes,
Speaker 1: who wasn't I don't think he was invited to the combine. No,
Speaker 1: he was a workout warrior though. Yeah. Yeah, that a
Speaker 1: Western Illinois He was invited here and he showed up
Speaker 1: in a coat and tie, and I said, Okay, this
Speaker 1: guy's pretty cool. Yeah for that theory. If that's the case,
Speaker 1: then you want to draft this Abram kid from Mississippi State.
Speaker 1: He's the one that showed up in a nice outfit.
Speaker 1: Did he did? He's got a lot of confidence at
Speaker 1: Jonathan Abram in the safety from Mississippi State. Um. But overall,
Speaker 1: you look at this draft and you feel good that
Speaker 1: the Cowboys are going to be at the other thing
Speaker 1: to consider now, because now we're entering back into that
Speaker 1: era of these huge contracts with de Marcus Lawrence getting
Speaker 1: his money. You got that gonna get his, and then
Speaker 1: Amari Cooper and then Byron Jones is out there and
Speaker 1: Zeke's gonna get his all right, So you have got
Speaker 1: to have the lower paid players on your roster making
Speaker 1: major contributions and that's why this locks. Yeah, there you go.
Speaker 1: You need more human lows. But you feel good about
Speaker 1: this draft that they're going to be able to come
Speaker 1: up with their second, third, fourth round picks and get
Speaker 1: guys that are going. Yeah, they've protect themselves with a
Speaker 1: lot of one year deals, which I think is you know,
Speaker 1: that's that's the way that Stephen Jones wanted to attack this.
Speaker 1: I think that's the right way to go. But yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: you know, you get down into like I said, I
Speaker 1: get down into, say into the names I've got on
Speaker 1: my board. If it just I preview this for you
Speaker 1: a little bit, if you get down to if you
Speaker 1: get down to the fifty eight where they're picking in
Speaker 1: my numbers, you know, third round guys. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is just me. I mean, I'll wand Thornhill at fifty four,
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel at fifty five, Damien Harris at fifty six,
Speaker 1: Riley Ridley at fifty seven, Anthony Nelson from Iowa the
Speaker 1: defensive in at fifty eight, Jase Sternberger at fifty nine,
Speaker 1: Darnell Savage, the safety from from Maryland at sixty. There's
Speaker 1: a quality Dawson Knox at sixty two. You know there's
Speaker 1: guys in that in that area, you know, depending and
Speaker 1: you're gonna have some guys in the top, you know,
Speaker 1: the top fifty, they're gonna slide to you. You know,
Speaker 1: there's gonna be some guys, I mean number forty nine,
Speaker 1: excuse me, forty seven. I have Juwan Williams, the kid
Speaker 1: from Vanderbilt at the cornerback, the big long corner that
Speaker 1: that Chris Richard went up to Nashville worked out. You know,
Speaker 1: you never know, we talked about that as a sneaky
Speaker 1: need LJ call your the defensive end from TCU at
Speaker 1: fifty two. There's quality names right there at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: If this thing falls for him the right way. So
Speaker 1: and I think it will, and I think it will.
Speaker 1: You and you pointed out they've set themselves up nicely.
Speaker 1: I mean you can look at their roster and say
Speaker 1: that people say you need to draft a runner. Well
Speaker 1: that's the thing that might be the one spot you
Speaker 1: look at and say they don't have a backup for Zeke.
Speaker 1: Really that that maybe they're comfortable with. There's a reason.
Speaker 1: There's a reason they brought Damien Harrison right. There is
Speaker 1: a reason they brought him. He's like a second he's
Speaker 1: a second round pick. But what you have him at
Speaker 1: is if you and on my board right here, where
Speaker 1: do I have I mentioned at fifty six that's still
Speaker 1: in the second round? Fifty eight Anthony Nelson is my
Speaker 1: first third round grade. That's my first third round grade.
Speaker 1: So your second round grade go all the way to
Speaker 1: fifty seven. Yes, on my board, which is Ridley, which
Speaker 1: is Ridley Calvin Ridley. Yeah, so here's talking about what
Speaker 1: you were mentioning about how important this draft is. This
Speaker 1: is this is the draft where you have to find
Speaker 1: Anthony Hitchens. Yes, meeting the not meeting the linebacker, but
Speaker 1: that type of player who can step in on a
Speaker 1: what was the a fourth round, fourth round, fourth round,
Speaker 1: fourth round pick, and he gave you four really productive
Speaker 1: years where you didn't have to go search for a starter.
Speaker 1: Another mean, you get a starter in the fourth round
Speaker 1: and right, and that's what you that's what they need
Speaker 1: to find to supplement what they've done. See, this is
Speaker 1: when you get in the third round. You started talking
Speaker 1: about that, though, Mickey got guys like that, Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: from Central Florida. I mentioned him, I've got him at
Speaker 1: seventy four on the board, So that's a guy. I mean,
Speaker 1: that's a possibility at fifty eight. You know, they brought
Speaker 1: the kid in, but maybe he stretches to ninety. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe that's your defensive tackle. If you turn around and
Speaker 1: you draft, you know, draft one of those tight ends
Speaker 1: and you draft a safety, you know, maybe Tristan Hill
Speaker 1: is sitting there looking at you. Renault Win from Arizona State.
Speaker 1: I got him at seventy six. Gerald Willis is a
Speaker 1: guy from Miami they brought in here. You know, I
Speaker 1: have him at seventy nine. So we're kind of in
Speaker 1: that area that if you wanted to get a defensive tackle,
Speaker 1: if you went safety and then turn around and got
Speaker 1: a defensive tackle with my board, my one hundred falls
Speaker 1: the right way. Then those are the players who are
Speaker 1: looking at at ninety. And that's not terrible either. You know,
Speaker 1: Trevion Williams, I was talking about him from Texas A
Speaker 1: and m got him at number eighty three. Love him, yeah,
Speaker 1: love him. So if you if you're if you want
Speaker 1: that guy, if you Emmanuel Hall from Missouri eighty two, well,
Speaker 1: I'm just telling you that's kind of that's kind of
Speaker 1: the guys you're looking at right there at that that,
Speaker 1: I think he's a pretty good player, Mick. I know
Speaker 1: I got him in the third round. I know you
Speaker 1: as an alum you proby hate him, but the film
Speaker 1: to me was pretty good. Yeah, well go go go
Speaker 1: watch the Middle Tennessee State game. Yeah, yep, you gotta
Speaker 1: watch him playing the other Alabamas and Georgia's and stuff
Speaker 1: like that that I watch. And Emmanuel Hall is a
Speaker 1: six two, two hundred eleven pounder. We ran a four
Speaker 1: three nine and he's got five five hands. M we'll see,
Speaker 1: we shall see, we shall see's awfully good. Look at
Speaker 1: this though, Vick, they're hit right now. He's lightening him up. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he is lightening him up. Go find the times we're
Speaker 1: playing Auburn right here. Oh that's a touchdowns? Yeah no,
Speaker 1: that might not be a TA or something that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if if they're go watch him running in the open
Speaker 1: field at the fifteen yard line and he fumbles the
Speaker 1: ball through the end zone with nobody touching him. If
Speaker 1: they're drafting a wide receiver on day two, Mickey wants debot.
Speaker 1: I want I want the Boys to draft a manual
Speaker 1: ball now, just so that we're gonna send Mickey to
Speaker 1: go interview him about his career. Mickey will have his
Speaker 1: Missouri sweatshirt on? What about that Middle Tennessee State in
Speaker 1: front of him? All right? If the Cowboys draft a
Speaker 1: Manual Hall, Mickey, you have to promise that you're going
Speaker 1: to interview Emmanual Hall and you're going to ask him
Speaker 1: about the Middle Tennessee State game and fumbling the ball
Speaker 1: through the ends. All right, I guarantee you that will not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden, he'll have all Mickey will have
Speaker 1: his Coach Farroe shirt on or whatever mnual Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: So good to have you here, young man. You've I've
Speaker 1: watched you for years or my favorite player. He wasn't
Speaker 1: as good as Damian Washington. That's true, Okay, Cowboys brought
Speaker 1: him in as an undrafted free agent. All right, So
Speaker 1: I ran across this running back name. I don't know
Speaker 1: if he's gonna make your lists. He may be too.
Speaker 1: It was kind of a those sleeper guys, um sleepers,
Speaker 1: and this day Xander Madison boys steak good players. Keep
Speaker 1: him coming, ye, those keep those boys to one fourth
Speaker 1: round maybe fifth round. Yes, not only is he a
Speaker 1: running back he also can catch passes. I read, and
Speaker 1: he played special teams and he was a gunner. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he made a bunch of tackles. Be careful what you read,
Speaker 1: but yeah, we'll be okay. Well, I'm just saying that's
Speaker 1: what I read. And you're not concerned with a four
Speaker 1: six seven forty. You know what, there's a lot of
Speaker 1: guys in this draft that are kind of that that
Speaker 1: four six guy. You look at the kid holy Field
Speaker 1: from Georgia. He can do he can do everything. And
Speaker 1: do you think Emmett ran him forty not super fast? Right? No,
Speaker 1: that it was four six while we just compared to
Speaker 1: holy Field. No, I'm just saying this guy for a
Speaker 1: backup running back in place, there's no questions and yeah, yes,
Speaker 1: there's no question. Question, there's no question. I just you know,
Speaker 1: to me, it's if you if there's several running backs
Speaker 1: at third round that compensatory four, you know there's there's
Speaker 1: gonna be an opportunity to grab a guy. Right, let
Speaker 1: me and we're gonna take a break. But I want
Speaker 1: to ask you about one running back Oklahoma. Okay, what
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Speaker 1: twelve minutes to go here. Yeah, we had fifteen when
Speaker 1: we started. Yeah, all right, Rodney Anderson, Yeah, back Oklahoma.
Speaker 1: What do you think? Yeah, Rodney Anderson, here's a guy
Speaker 1: that suffered an ACL injury and early in the season
Speaker 1: twenty eighteen season gets UCLA, and up until that time,
Speaker 1: he'd been really pretty good player for Oklahoma, really steady runner.
Speaker 1: I didn't think he had very much home run speed.
Speaker 1: But what I really liked about him is he does
Speaker 1: a good job of finding lanes. You know, when you
Speaker 1: watch him run that big Oklahoma line, you gotta watch
Speaker 1: all those cats there's for him that are gonna go
Speaker 1: very high in these in this draft. But they's the
Speaker 1: very patient runner. He kind of gives them. They hand
Speaker 1: him the ball inside, he waits, he waits, he waits,
Speaker 1: and then he ghosts. But again, I think that he's
Speaker 1: got the good initial quickness of what I saw once
Speaker 1: he got the ball in. I think the best thing
Speaker 1: he does is catch the football. You see him make
Speaker 1: some incredible catches for a running back coming out of
Speaker 1: the backfield and they swing it to him and you know,
Speaker 1: and Murray does a good job and get into him
Speaker 1: on the ghost so he can get up the field.
Speaker 1: But I thought he was a really good runner when
Speaker 1: it came a balance too. He's a hard guy to
Speaker 1: knock off his feet. He'll duck, you'll dodge, he'll spin.
Speaker 1: I mean, he'll do everything he can to kind of
Speaker 1: to stay on his feet to stay alive. He's got
Speaker 1: a nose for an end zone. When you get him
Speaker 1: down there close and they hand him the football, he
Speaker 1: could finish and you know when he gets close, he's
Speaker 1: gonna score. The knee injury is a big concern, and
Speaker 1: Mickey and I have a date with the medical staff
Speaker 1: to kind of go through some of these players this week,
Speaker 1: and I'm interested to see how things checked out for
Speaker 1: Rodney Anderson, running back Oklahoma. That was at the medical
Speaker 1: re check that the combines last week in any now, well,
Speaker 1: and I know that they I'm sure I don't remember
Speaker 1: what the nature of his neck injury was that's another thing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure they checked him out thoroughly on that. He
Speaker 1: had a broken leg his true freshman year and basically
Speaker 1: miss most all of that season at eleven carries one
Speaker 1: hundred nineteen yards and three touchdowns that year. Okay, so
Speaker 1: basically one game average eleven yards of carry. Then all right,
Speaker 1: I'm sorry. That was his last year there. Okay, his
Speaker 1: first year there just got into two games and suffered
Speaker 1: a broken leg. His second year, had a neck injury
Speaker 1: in preseason drills. Missed that entire season. They didn't need
Speaker 1: him anyway because they had p ryany mixing, right, but
Speaker 1: they in Baker Mayfields Heisman Trophy winning season. Rodney Anderson
Speaker 1: was a huge reason why Baker won the Heisman that year.
Speaker 1: He ran for eleven hundred yards and as you mentioned,
Speaker 1: seventeen catches for two hundred and eighty one yards, averaging
Speaker 1: sixteen and a half yards a catch, and those weren't
Speaker 1: catches down field, those where he's catching the ball out
Speaker 1: of the backfield, swing it and going exactly. Yeah, he's
Speaker 1: got a terrific toughness about him. He's a physical specimen.
Speaker 1: He had twenty five bench reps okay at the combine,
Speaker 1: wasn't able to do anything else. He's one of those guys.
Speaker 1: There's a video out there where of him jumping out
Speaker 1: of a pool onto the side of the pool. I mean,
Speaker 1: he's got his vertical is just through the roof. What's
Speaker 1: going to be very interesting on him is when somebody,
Speaker 1: because of the medical when someone takes a chance on
Speaker 1: this is sounding this sounds a lot like Bryce Love Stanford. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's another one, Bryce Love, two thousand yard rusher a
Speaker 1: couple of years ago. Who now, what what do you
Speaker 1: get any started this? Yeah, he's I mean that's another
Speaker 1: guy that you draft him in the mock draft? No,
Speaker 1: Dan did. Dan Dane picked him with the compensatory was
Speaker 1: at one thirty nine that compens pick something like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he was the only offensive player that Briggler took. I
Speaker 1: think Anderson he would have had his ACL surgery about
Speaker 1: two or three months earlier than Love. Yeah, there's if
Speaker 1: he is ACL, then he could be ready for the
Speaker 1: start of the season. Absolutely. Is there water in the pool? Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's impressive. Huh. Why don't you do the physical probabilities
Speaker 1: of that? The equation? I think i'd have equals MC squared.
Speaker 1: He jumped out of out of the pool. I've seen
Speaker 1: other guys do that, but what really get athletes do
Speaker 1: it with water? Yeah, we can't do that. They gave
Speaker 1: me that because they're great athletes. This thing, this time machine, mickey,
Speaker 1: they call it YouTube. You can maybe find that if
Speaker 1: you want to look at it. I will go look
Speaker 1: for it. Yeah, make sure it wouldn't Love did that
Speaker 1: or Rodney Anderson answer, can't pay attention to the show.
Speaker 1: Let's go yeah, mixing it up here? Yeah? And so
Speaker 1: do you like the running backs as I like the
Speaker 1: running backs as a whole? Absolutely? I like the running backs.
Speaker 1: I was looking at several of them. Which which of
Speaker 1: the running backs do you like? Um? How about might
Speaker 1: would be maybe available at fifty eight? Well, well I
Speaker 1: have let's go down him. My number twenty four, actually
Speaker 1: twenty four player on my board is Josh Jacobs from Alabama.
Speaker 1: I'm just giving all the way here. If you like
Speaker 1: Damien Harris or Josh Jacobs better. I like Josh Jacob.
Speaker 1: I do I have him rated higher? He is my
Speaker 1: number twenty fourth player. As we go down, as we
Speaker 1: go down, as we go down, I have Mike Miles
Speaker 1: Sanders from Penn State at number forty nine, and then
Speaker 1: Damian Harrison number fifty six. So I have a one
Speaker 1: and then two twos? Is how that's going to work
Speaker 1: for me? Right there? Where's that guy from pit that
Speaker 1: we saw the highlight? Yeah? I didn't have that guy
Speaker 1: from the pit on my board, and it's his Connor.
Speaker 1: There we go, guys, but yeah, oh look at can't
Speaker 1: you beasts? Can't Garrison? I hope it's going okay, hopefully,
Speaker 1: my gosh, I hope we could see this again. All right,
Speaker 1: stam it a nutrition here we go and a one
Speaker 1: and a two. He didn't hit it? Wow? All right,
Speaker 1: I hope you're watching at home. This is post a
Speaker 1: cl No, this pre Rodney Anderson. Are you sure that's
Speaker 1: Rodney Anderson? Help us out, KNT. Well it was a
Speaker 1: cool visual regardless, and he didn't. It's actually ban When
Speaker 1: you said that, I was thinking the water was like
Speaker 1: up to his chest. Nah, well it's he's not gonna
Speaker 1: jump out of the deep end. Yeah you want to
Speaker 1: you want to hear some running backs? Puddle, I tell
Speaker 1: you the running backs that I do, like that, Uh,
Speaker 1: that Daryl Henderson from Memphis. I have him been sixty nine,
Speaker 1: and then I'm went down my list here as I speak,
Speaker 1: Trevion Williams, I have at eighty three, and then David
Speaker 1: Montgomery at eight one. I want to ask you about
Speaker 1: David Montgomery. David Montgomery, there's a complete back for your
Speaker 1: eye like him. Yeah, David Montgomery. If you follow the
Speaker 1: Big twelve, you know all about Thanks Bill for doing
Speaker 1: the draft show for me today. Here on whatever. They
Speaker 1: were running back from Memphis, the running back from that Pollocks,
Speaker 1: and there's two of them. There's Henderson and there's Paul Pollocks.
Speaker 1: More of a receiver, more wide receiver type. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: can put him in the backfield, uh and hand him
Speaker 1: to football. Got really good running style. Uh, quick guy.
Speaker 1: You could also play him out wide that people throw
Speaker 1: him in the slot and those slants to him, stuff
Speaker 1: like that. Henderson's another guy that they they is. I
Speaker 1: think he's more of a quicker guy. He's a shorter guy.
Speaker 1: He's five aids one hundred and ninety nine pounds kind
Speaker 1: of a guy. But yeah, there's there's some quality backs.
Speaker 1: There's I'm excited. I'm excited if the Cowboys do in
Speaker 1: fact at ninety want to get it back and again.
Speaker 1: I think very keep an eye on on Harris at
Speaker 1: fifty eight. I know it's driving. People say that gives
Speaker 1: me anxiety because I just I'm good with taking best available,
Speaker 1: but he's not gonna play. Yeah, there's people like this
Speaker 1: Justice Hill too from Oklahoma state. By the way, So
Speaker 1: are you about if Montgomery was there in the third round?
Speaker 1: I'm okay, third round in on, but second round again.
Speaker 1: It reminds me of all those second round tight ends
Speaker 1: they drafted when Jason Witton was in his prime and
Speaker 1: never came off the field. You know what, people on
Speaker 1: the periscope asked me about Devin the singletary from Florida Atlantic,
Speaker 1: and he is outside my top one hundred. What about
Speaker 1: de Mario Crockett? The Mario Crockett. Are you that grin
Speaker 1: on Mickey's face? Missouri guy? Yeah, he came out too.
Speaker 1: It's a hard runner. Yeah, he's gotta stay healthy though.
Speaker 1: All right, how about unless there's Rodney Anderson right here?
Speaker 1: Here's Rodney and Okay, yeah, there's Rodney Anderson. Okay, that
Speaker 1: was not out of the pool, okay, or that or
Speaker 1: maybe that is that's Rodney. There's Rodney right there. That's him.
Speaker 1: That was pretty impressive right there. And here's our runner
Speaker 1: from David Montgomery. Montgomery, Yeah, he's another one of those guys.
Speaker 1: He's like Anderson that really catches the ball. Well. They
Speaker 1: they feature him at Iowa State, like they you know,
Speaker 1: hand him in the inside handoff. He kind of picks
Speaker 1: and choose where he wants to get a little slide
Speaker 1: to his game though. I like him catching the football.
Speaker 1: I think he's a really good pass blocker too. When
Speaker 1: you want those complete backs, this is with these guys.
Speaker 1: You need to look for those guys because scheme wise,
Speaker 1: those are the guys that don't come off the field,
Speaker 1: and so keep an eye on these. I just I
Speaker 1: like all these backs in the second, third, fourth round.
Speaker 1: I just think there's a lot of quality that people.
Speaker 1: There might be a run there too as we get
Speaker 1: going on. You know on that Friday of the draft,
Speaker 1: that that second day that we will be in this
Speaker 1: room and we might all send round. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: here they go, there's like six seven of them in
Speaker 1: a row. Kind of a thing about safe, Well, might
Speaker 1: there be a run on Safety's about that same time.
Speaker 1: You know there's people Dane Brugler said, this about somebody
Speaker 1: he's hearing about Taylor Rapp, the safety from Washington. That
Speaker 1: the fact that he ran the four seven four he
Speaker 1: you know, and Dane said this on the show the
Speaker 1: other day, that he's and he's not talking to the
Speaker 1: cowboy guys, he's talking to people around the league, which
Speaker 1: I'll do this week myself. But they a lot of
Speaker 1: people feel like that rap will be there at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: I find that hard to believe myself, because because he
Speaker 1: might have been potentially a French first rounder oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and then seven yeah, worried people exactly. They say, well,
Speaker 1: he's only he's only a down player, you know, and
Speaker 1: that's why. But he wasn't just a down play, No,
Speaker 1: I know, that's what I'm saying that. But people will
Speaker 1: say at four seven he would only be a down player,
Speaker 1: and that's I don't think that's the case at all.
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what, I'll take him on this team.
Speaker 1: You know him, Adderley, Abram Gardner Johnson from from Florida.
Speaker 1: I like him at Thorne Hill. They're talking about Thornhill
Speaker 1: possibly being a corner black being like Byron Jones, a
Speaker 1: potential corner that's going to play safety. Can I get
Speaker 1: him in the third round. Yeah, it's I haven't fifty
Speaker 1: eight or right at fifty eight, So yeah, he's not
Speaker 1: gonna stretch past much past that. I don't. I think
Speaker 1: there's Tony there could very well be for safeties. Go
Speaker 1: but find the time to Cowboys pick. Okay, So you
Speaker 1: had the argument last week. I was treed for the argument.
Speaker 1: No you did. Oh I didn't gut feeling, oh or
Speaker 1: whatever it was. Oh, yeah, so you draft the safety
Speaker 1: in the second round as he's starting. See, no he's not,
Speaker 1: probably not because coaches will not. And that's the argument
Speaker 1: I used that. I didn't think initially it took him
Speaker 1: how many games did take him to it took an
Speaker 1: injury and coaches to start vandresh am I write about that,
Speaker 1: Um Sean got hurt and then yeah he's get start
Speaker 1: in the first three games. Right, Yeah, there you go coaches.
Speaker 1: But I don't really care about that because you can
Speaker 1: go down the list of all these positions and they
Speaker 1: have so many guys up for contract after twenty after
Speaker 1: twenty nine team, so who cares? You know, it's different
Speaker 1: for me because Zeke is your back. Aaron Woodson started
Speaker 1: as a rookie. That was Jimmy's big regret that he
Speaker 1: didn't because coaches will do that. He was changing positions coaches.
Speaker 1: Coaches can do that. I mean, is it stands right now?
Speaker 1: I think Jeff Heath is your starting strong sac as
Speaker 1: it stands right now, over George Iloca and then you
Speaker 1: got Xavier. But yeah, if you draft a guy, let
Speaker 1: him come in and compete. All right. You get back
Speaker 1: to the running back though, and all right, one of
Speaker 1: the things I think you look at is do you
Speaker 1: cover yourself in case of injury? And what if something
Speaker 1: happened to Zeke? What are you doing at running back? Yeah? No,
Speaker 1: they need somebody there step in. And if you bring
Speaker 1: a running back in now that it was of quality,
Speaker 1: then you can perhaps prolong Zeke's career by not having.
Speaker 1: An argument I made about the running back was you're
Speaker 1: drafting backup players anyway. That's because you're pretty much settled
Speaker 1: in a lot of spots. Yeah, I see you're saying,
Speaker 1: get me the backup running back might be their biggest need.
Speaker 1: I think it's the one spot I don't disagree not covered.
Speaker 1: And that's why a lot of people that don't understand
Speaker 1: this team will kill this team for drafting a backup
Speaker 1: running back initially initially a backup running back. I wouldn't
Speaker 1: kill him for it. But but I think you could
Speaker 1: draft a guy that might help you more than this year.
Speaker 1: I mean I tackle, yeah, defensive tackle before we have
Speaker 1: like maybe a minute, but let me give me a
Speaker 1: position other than running back that you you absolutely have
Speaker 1: to have. I've been saying, add another defensive tackle to
Speaker 1: come in and compete with the guys you signed with
Speaker 1: with MALIEK Collins, MALIEK Collins carry hider Christian Covington. If
Speaker 1: you find a stud, that guy could still earn snaps
Speaker 1: on this defense um somewhere along the line. And I'm
Speaker 1: not saying second third round. I need an offensive tackle,
Speaker 1: maybe a right tackle. He's not hyll is up after
Speaker 1: this unless your back up, unless you're planning on moving,
Speaker 1: unless you're planning on starting Joe Looney at left guard
Speaker 1: and putting the letting Connor Williams work snaps, be the
Speaker 1: swing guy at tackle. And if that's what you want
Speaker 1: to do, get him ready for next year. You know
Speaker 1: what about you? Well, if there's if it fits in
Speaker 1: its draft, if it's if it's the best player to
Speaker 1: take at that point. Tight end is one that I'd
Speaker 1: like to see we hit three different spots, anywhere different spots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that just shows you, well, we can go for wide receiver. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well you can. You can the running backs. I mean
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying. I mean, they're they're at fifty eight.
Speaker 1: If if my top one hundred holds true, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have a choice at every one of those positions. You
Speaker 1: guys wanted Joe On Williams. Yeah, absolutely so, laying Damian
Speaker 1: Wilson's spot. I think Lee. I don't think you think
Speaker 1: Shanlee's playing strong side lineback. I'd like to. I'd like
Speaker 1: I was told he could play anywhere they want him
Speaker 1: to play. I'd like to see that he's don't get
Speaker 1: to play. It's a part time spot. But they initially
Speaker 1: moved him, but we side to kelvern him up. He
Speaker 1: could play Sam and he could spell the guys. Yeah, Christ, Christ,
Speaker 1: you all right? I think we'll talk draft next Tuesday.
Speaker 1: You think yeah? I think maybe? So? All right, talking
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