WEBVTT - Talkin' Cowboys: Debating A Dak Deal 0:00:02.640 --> 0:00:05.160 The following. He's a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com 0:00:05.200 --> 0:00:16.560 and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. This is He's Talking Cowboys, 0:00:17.000 --> 0:00:20.400 screaming live from the Dallas Cowboys World hours at the 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:33.000 Star in Frisco. Here are Mickey Spagnola, Brian Brovis, Rob Phillips, 0:00:33.280 --> 0:00:38.640 and Bill Jones and a happy Tuesday as the draft 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:43.200 fast approaches here at the Star, and there are football 0:00:43.320 --> 0:00:46.840 players out on a football field here at the Star. 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:51.440 Welcome to Talking Cowboys. Bill Jones with the still bearded 0:00:51.560 --> 0:00:56.120 Mickey Spagnola. Good evening, good afternoon, whatever it is. I'm tired, 0:00:56.400 --> 0:00:59.680 Good even was a late night last night. Oh you 0:00:59.720 --> 0:01:02.600 watch the Stars game? Oh? I was there? Oh you 0:01:02.600 --> 0:01:05.080 are well? You watched it? Did you were there? I'm 0:01:05.160 --> 0:01:09.000 emotionally worn out. And that play? Is that a playoff 0:01:09.040 --> 0:01:13.920 hockey beard? That is two losses away from getting shaved off? Yeah? 0:01:13.959 --> 0:01:17.399 I think so. Actually I looked at it this morning 0:01:17.400 --> 0:01:19.520 and I said, you know, I think it's time to go. 0:01:19.760 --> 0:01:24.759 Oh yeah so no, say thought Rob had two months 0:01:24.800 --> 0:01:28.679 ago about your beard? Yeah pretty much. Did you watch 0:01:28.720 --> 0:01:32.720 basketball last night? I couldn't. I mean one lead, I'm 0:01:32.720 --> 0:01:36.120 going to bed. I quit watch. I flipped over. And 0:01:36.160 --> 0:01:39.160 I watched the Stars game, and I knew that Golden 0:01:39.200 --> 0:01:42.200 stated a thirty one point lead and somebody won a 0:01:42.200 --> 0:01:45.039 lot of money. That video that's gone viral of the fan. 0:01:45.240 --> 0:01:49.160 There's a fan uh, an older guy about Mickey's age, 0:01:49.360 --> 0:01:55.200 who watched yourself? Older gentleman, who's just going nuts because 0:01:55.240 --> 0:01:57.640 the Clippers won that game? Brian? How are you doing 0:01:57.760 --> 0:01:59.840 doing well? Boys? Thank you for having me here today. 0:02:00.120 --> 0:02:03.200 The first question I wanted to ask today is who 0:02:03.400 --> 0:02:07.240 is the happiest man in America? Would it be I'll 0:02:07.240 --> 0:02:10.600 give you, I'll give you a few choices. Would it 0:02:10.639 --> 0:02:16.480 be DeMarcus Lawrence? Would k and Kid Garrison? How are 0:02:16.520 --> 0:02:23.200 you good? Good to be here? DeMarcus Lawrence? Would he 0:02:23.280 --> 0:02:27.280 be the happiest man in America? Or would it be 0:02:27.680 --> 0:02:31.480 Russell Wilson? Four years, one hundred forty million, the same 0:02:31.560 --> 0:02:34.440 sixty five million guarantee. I'll tell you what. How about 0:02:34.480 --> 0:02:36.480 Russ Wilson? Basically saying, if you don't have to sing 0:02:36.560 --> 0:02:39.920 done by April fifteenth, we're gonna have some problems. That 0:02:40.000 --> 0:02:43.240 little general manager got it done there, Seattle. Good for him. 0:02:43.240 --> 0:02:46.560 Your buddy up there. That's a QB with some stroke there. Yeah, 0:02:46.560 --> 0:02:50.760 I've been to two Super Bowls one one. He's your franchise, yeah. 0:02:50.880 --> 0:02:55.480 Or would it be Dak Prescott, Ah, that's interesting. Interesting? 0:02:55.680 --> 0:02:59.280 Or would it be Tiger Woods. Vote for Tiger. Would 0:02:59.480 --> 0:03:01.799 be very happy. And Brian can say he was at 0:03:01.800 --> 0:03:05.080 the Master's first seven minutes. No, I was there for 0:03:05.080 --> 0:03:08.519 the practice round. You can still sign with you where 0:03:08.560 --> 0:03:10.560 I was there. I was on the grounds. You know 0:03:10.600 --> 0:03:12.600 what's funny though, do you kind of feel like, though 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.720 Mickey All asked this question because you're a cap guy, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:18.200 do you feel like the Cowboys, since they got the 0:03:18.320 --> 0:03:22.000 Lawrence deal done for less than market value, that they 0:03:22.000 --> 0:03:24.960 can get this Prescott deal done for less than market value. 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:29.240 I think they want to. I don't. I mean you 0:03:29.400 --> 0:03:32.079 have to define what market value okay, because I don't 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:35.600 think Wilson sets market value for a guy that's been 0:03:35.600 --> 0:03:39.480 in the league three years. Okay, So you're thinking, so 0:03:39.760 --> 0:03:42.920 would your number be somewhere between twenty six and twenty 0:03:42.960 --> 0:03:45.000 eight then a year sometime't even know if I'd be 0:03:45.080 --> 0:03:48.520 that much. Okay. Oh, this is gonna be interesting because 0:03:48.840 --> 0:03:52.200 I'm not negotiating the contract. No, but but it's interesting 0:03:52.240 --> 0:03:55.840 how the Cowboys, you know, they came in. They came 0:03:55.880 --> 0:03:58.240 in under market value. Though, if you think about it 0:03:58.280 --> 0:04:03.520 for Lawrence and that only one guy was more, what 0:04:03.560 --> 0:04:07.240 was market value? Well, if you think about that Donald, 0:04:07.320 --> 0:04:09.600 if you add the defensive lineman all together, if you 0:04:09.600 --> 0:04:13.720 had Donald and then you addu Khalil Khalil Mack, and 0:04:13.720 --> 0:04:16.400 then you also talk about von Miller, von Miller, he 0:04:16.440 --> 0:04:20.200 was right behind those three. Von Miller. What in terms 0:04:20.200 --> 0:04:22.880 of guaranteed money? I think he's right behind those three guys. Yeah, 0:04:23.000 --> 0:04:25.520 he guaranteed money. Yeah, I thought you guys were talking 0:04:25.520 --> 0:04:28.880 about average. No, just guaranteed money. What's Russell Wilson's new average? 0:04:29.240 --> 0:04:33.240 Thirty five? Okay, yeah, thirty five. There's no way you'll 0:04:33.279 --> 0:04:36.320 want to know what Dak Prescott's currently ranked in the NFL. 0:04:36.440 --> 0:04:39.360 I haven't feeling I've heard this before, so I won't 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:41.280 spoil it. But I've heard this before. Go ahead. According 0:04:41.279 --> 0:04:44.839 to over the Cap, he makes six eighty roughly yea thousand, 0:04:45.800 --> 0:04:48.480 sixty ninth. Wait, what do you mean six eighty that's 0:04:49.080 --> 0:04:52.040 that's his base average per year? Yeah, yeah, sixty nine. 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.159 He's one spot ahead of Mike White. He's got some 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:57.240 he's got some elements making more than two million this year. Yeah, 0:04:57.240 --> 0:05:00.000 but he got some escalators from because play times, Yeah, 0:05:00.040 --> 0:05:03.240 plenty times. His bass salary is what you're saying. Yeah, 0:05:03.240 --> 0:05:05.640 bass salary is six hundred thousand dollars. That's not the 0:05:05.680 --> 0:05:08.160 Cowboys fault that he lasted to the fourth round. I'm 0:05:08.160 --> 0:05:11.160 just saying he's due for a major rays. And if 0:05:11.200 --> 0:05:12.760 you look at some of these guys that are in 0:05:12.760 --> 0:05:19.680 the top ten in average salary, her cousins, Garoppolo, Stafford, 0:05:20.000 --> 0:05:23.320 Derek Carr, they're all at twenty between twenty five and 0:05:23.320 --> 0:05:25.960 twenty eight million a year. Dak can say I'm as 0:05:25.960 --> 0:05:28.320 accomplished as any of those guys. It's just the deal 0:05:28.360 --> 0:05:31.640 you try and do for high guarantee early like two 0:05:31.760 --> 0:05:35.800 three years, three years guarantee early, and thence to get 0:05:35.839 --> 0:05:38.359 out of it at the end if something were to happen. No, 0:05:38.480 --> 0:05:40.840 I don't think I'm I'm worried about getting out of it, 0:05:40.880 --> 0:05:45.919 but I think the guarantee early can reduce what the 0:05:46.120 --> 0:05:51.440 total packages like I'm giving, I'm guarantee you this money right, 0:05:51.680 --> 0:05:54.000 so now I don't have to pay you thirty million 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:55.640 a year. See That's what I'm saying. But didn't we 0:05:55.680 --> 0:05:57.719 kind of have to go through that because of Tony Romo. 0:05:58.480 --> 0:06:00.760 Didn't we go through some dead money years there for 0:06:00.800 --> 0:06:03.520 a couple of years it was the signing bonus stuff. Yeah, 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:06.080 but I'm just saying though it's dead money, right? Am 0:06:06.080 --> 0:06:09.640 I wrong about that? Well? Do you try if you don't, 0:06:09.680 --> 0:06:12.760 if you don't fulfill the contract? Right? But what are 0:06:12.760 --> 0:06:14.640 we interested in doing that? Or do we want this 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:19.080 thing to go long term? I mean you you basically 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:21.880 scheduled lords that way, right. He's young enough to go 0:06:22.000 --> 0:06:25.120 long term. Just doesn't really matter ultimately, because we've talked 0:06:25.160 --> 0:06:27.360 about it. Those those over the life of the deal 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.600 numbers are inflated. You're looking at the guaranteed money, right, Yeah, 0:06:31.640 --> 0:06:33.880 So whether it's a six year deal or whether it's 0:06:33.880 --> 0:06:36.320 a three or four year deal, how much is he guaranteed? 0:06:36.720 --> 0:06:39.400 Because that's what you're really on the hook for. So 0:06:40.640 --> 0:06:43.040 what we talk about Lawrence's deal really in essence, it's 0:06:43.080 --> 0:06:47.040 three years, that's right. Yeah, so three years, twenty one 0:06:47.240 --> 0:06:48.920 and a half million a year. And we were talking 0:06:48.920 --> 0:06:51.280 about this upstairs before the show. Cousins they just went 0:06:51.320 --> 0:06:52.840 ahead and I don't know how long his deal is, 0:06:52.880 --> 0:06:55.360 but they just three years. Three years, Okay, he's through 0:06:55.400 --> 0:06:58.720 twenty twenty one, and they just guaranteed the whole thing. Yeah, 0:06:58.760 --> 0:07:01.320 which would you consider do the same thing for Prescott 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:05.120 if he gives me less? If I if I if 0:07:06.279 --> 0:07:10.520 Cousins twenty eight five, he's getting twenty eight a year, 0:07:10.640 --> 0:07:14.320 twenty eight total values eighty four million. Yeah, yeah, you 0:07:14.320 --> 0:07:18.480 get Prescott three years, ninety million dollars guaranteed, So thirty 0:07:18.480 --> 0:07:20.680 million a year, thirty million a year for three years. 0:07:21.440 --> 0:07:23.600 He's going to be your quarterback for the next three seasons. Okay, 0:07:23.640 --> 0:07:25.320 So yeah, that's what I'm saying. I would have a 0:07:25.320 --> 0:07:27.400 problem with that. You're good, mickey, We're good with that much? 0:07:27.440 --> 0:07:29.520 Would he would he want to do that? Okay? Or 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:32.840 would he want longer security? I'm waiting minute, hang on, 0:07:32.920 --> 0:07:34.560 let's be we're bearing the lead here, Mickey. What do 0:07:34.600 --> 0:07:39.440 you got it's too much? Three years somewhere around twenty 0:07:39.440 --> 0:07:44.000 five two? How do we? How do we? How do 0:07:44.040 --> 0:07:46.680 we get around Garoppolo's contract? See, that's the thing I 0:07:46.840 --> 0:07:49.440 make you get out of Garoppolo's contract. I just pointed 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.040 this out. Derek Carr's making twenty five million a year. 0:07:52.080 --> 0:07:56.200 Garoppolo's making twenty seven five. Yeah. Staffords at twenty seven. Yeah, 0:07:56.320 --> 0:07:58.520 Kirk Cousins is at twenty eight. Prescott. I mean, if 0:07:58.560 --> 0:07:59.960 I'm Dak, I can say, Look, man, I've been in 0:08:00.000 --> 0:08:03.640 the playoffs twice, won a game in the Pro Bowl twice. 0:08:03.720 --> 0:08:05.400 I'm just saying I don't know what they're saying, but 0:08:05.440 --> 0:08:08.720 I'm saying that that's making sense. That's the give and take, right. 0:08:08.920 --> 0:08:11.680 I mean, I'm I've accomplished as much as any of 0:08:11.720 --> 0:08:14.280 these guys. Matt Ryan makes thirty million a year. What's 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:17.760 the four NCAP? What's the franchise take? I don't know, 0:08:18.040 --> 0:08:20.440 Like off the top of my head, it's over twenty eight, 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:23.600 isn't it. It's pretty high. I hate it. I don't 0:08:23.600 --> 0:08:25.760 remember stuff like this. I'm just looking at contract. I 0:08:25.840 --> 0:08:29.240 just know the pass rushing one because of that attack. Yeah, um, 0:08:30.080 --> 0:08:32.480 let's look it up real quick. But but see to me, though, 0:08:32.760 --> 0:08:35.320 maybe you find a way to guarantee this contract the 0:08:35.360 --> 0:08:39.719 first three years. In that way, you're not into you 0:08:39.760 --> 0:08:42.640 no money at the end. You know, maybe it's maybe 0:08:42.640 --> 0:08:45.040 it's what if he if he outplays it, then you know, 0:08:45.120 --> 0:08:48.400 good for you now. But I I don't know, Mickey. 0:08:48.480 --> 0:08:51.320 I think you you're negotiating out of fear that he's 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:56.880 not good enough by by structuring it that way, by 0:08:56.880 --> 0:08:59.440 making it shorter, by making it shorter, Yeah, but I 0:08:59.480 --> 0:09:02.760 just don't you would do that with an older player. Right. 0:09:03.200 --> 0:09:06.720 The quarterback tag is twenty four point eighth, so it's 0:09:06.760 --> 0:09:10.040 not that high for this year. Yeah, this year, next 0:09:10.120 --> 0:09:13.400 year it'll be more now than Wilson just throw thirty 0:09:13.400 --> 0:09:18.439 five and a half a million, you know, Mickey, I'm 0:09:18.480 --> 0:09:21.800 I don't think I'm scared, but I but I don't 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:24.880 want to be saddled. Does that? Does that? Does that 0:09:24.920 --> 0:09:27.640 make sense that I'm trying to think about a way 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:30.800 because if he outplays a contract in three years, I mean, 0:09:30.840 --> 0:09:33.319 if it's if it's ninety million dollars guaranteed for three 0:09:33.400 --> 0:09:35.560 years and he outplays it, he might be you know, 0:09:35.559 --> 0:09:38.800 there might be other quarterbacks to go past that. But 0:09:38.880 --> 0:09:43.080 that to me is you know, if that's if that's 0:09:43.080 --> 0:09:45.040 a way to where I don't have to have something 0:09:45.600 --> 0:09:49.520 long term. You know, I'm just trying to look much 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:52.520 flexibility that does that give you as far as the 0:09:52.600 --> 0:09:55.560 cap goes. See, that's where I'm just throwing out numbers 0:09:55.559 --> 0:09:58.440 like I'm a drunken sailor. Well, it doesn't because it 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:01.000 doesn't give you the flexibility that I'll longer term contract 0:10:01.040 --> 0:10:04.439 because guys that you need to do. Normally, you would 0:10:04.440 --> 0:10:07.240 say the cap is going to improve, right, so I 0:10:07.280 --> 0:10:10.080 could absorb a bigger deal, sure, but if I've got 0:10:10.080 --> 0:10:16.720 to absorb, you know, however, it's structured. See, I don't 0:10:16.720 --> 0:10:18.880 think we're gonna get anything a big base salary. Yeah, 0:10:19.040 --> 0:10:23.360 you're basically looking at more than franchise tag. There's you're 0:10:23.400 --> 0:10:26.160 on your cap for three straight years plus and I 0:10:26.160 --> 0:10:29.200 don't I would have to be in my notes. But 0:10:29.320 --> 0:10:34.840 because twenty twenty one it is could could be the 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:39.640 strike year, very likely, you've got to structure your contracts 0:10:39.720 --> 0:10:44.200 differently for twenty twenty and twenty twenty one because you 0:10:44.280 --> 0:10:46.880 remember what the Cowboys tried to pull with Miles Austin. Yeah, 0:10:46.880 --> 0:10:48.520 we got in trouble for that and got in trouble. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.760 So you can't. There's a clause in that twenty twenty 0:10:52.800 --> 0:10:55.800 one season that you have to adhere to that is 0:10:55.840 --> 0:11:00.400 going to affect how contracts are structured, like twenty twenty 0:11:00.600 --> 0:11:06.760 to twenty twenty one. Twenty twenty one can't be rule 0:11:06.880 --> 0:11:09.560 yeah that he jumps from base salary, So you have 0:11:09.600 --> 0:11:12.679 to be careful. So you know, you can't just sit 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:14.360 there and go I'll just pay him. Oh no, I'm 0:11:14.400 --> 0:11:17.240 twenty five million. I'm just doing stupid radio right now, 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.240 is what I'm doing. I'm just trying to think of 0:11:19.280 --> 0:11:22.440 ways that I can can get this guy done but 0:11:22.600 --> 0:11:24.640 still have the ability, like you say, Bill, to have 0:11:24.720 --> 0:11:27.679 some flexibility. It's gonna be tough, but I mean in 0:11:27.920 --> 0:11:30.520 Mickey's right for calling me out for maybe being scared. 0:11:31.080 --> 0:11:33.920 He's right to do that because you know, deep down 0:11:33.920 --> 0:11:36.080 in my heart, I want to believe the guy wins. 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:38.640 He does what he has to do. You know, is 0:11:38.640 --> 0:11:40.840 he better than is he better than all those quarterbacks 0:11:40.840 --> 0:11:48.120 you read, you know, Matt Ryan, Matt Stafford that you know, Garoppolo. Yeah, yeah, 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:51.480 he is. Absolutely, he's better than those guys. Well, Ryan 0:11:51.559 --> 0:11:54.480 got his team to a super Bowl. He did. That's 0:11:54.480 --> 0:12:02.040 a good point. I think he's didn't, right, Yeah. Or Cousins, Yeah, 0:12:02.160 --> 0:12:04.960 see I I Cousins. Has you ever had a playoff win? 0:12:05.320 --> 0:12:07.560 Have they ever been to the playoffs for that guy? Yeah? 0:12:07.800 --> 0:12:10.359 I guess one time. You know, it's interesting what DeMarcus 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.240 and Steven shared last week with the over the phone. 0:12:14.320 --> 0:12:17.120 I mean, Tank said, look, it's not my problem that 0:12:17.160 --> 0:12:18.760 you've got to get all these guys signed. Yeah, but 0:12:18.800 --> 0:12:20.880 Stephen also told him you're not as good as those 0:12:20.920 --> 0:12:22.960 guys you're talking about. Yeah, but I mean to some 0:12:23.040 --> 0:12:26.080 degree though, the players out to get as much as 0:12:26.080 --> 0:12:29.360 he can. That's his right. And dak Is, by virtue 0:12:29.360 --> 0:12:31.319 of being draft in the fourth round, has missed out 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:34.480 on a lot of money. So you know, that's not 0:12:34.520 --> 0:12:39.360 my problem. I don't have to make up for it. Yeah, 0:12:39.520 --> 0:12:41.960 I'm just saying he's not. I can't imagine he's gonna 0:12:42.000 --> 0:12:44.400 want to settle for way below market value just because 0:12:44.520 --> 0:12:50.439 other guys. What's twenty four million dollars? I mean, that's 0:12:50.480 --> 0:12:52.599 what the franchise tag is, right, So so what have 0:12:52.720 --> 0:12:55.720 we decided the market value is for Dad? We really 0:12:55.720 --> 0:12:58.600 have it, we haven't. Seven and a half has grew up. 0:12:58.640 --> 0:13:01.160 I'm trying to get him thirty. He's more interesting. Trying 0:13:01.160 --> 0:13:03.080 to keep him at twenty seven, I believe making him 0:13:03.080 --> 0:13:05.439 I right about that for twenty five Yeah, yeah, something 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.320 like that. And then Rob is trying to give us 0:13:08.400 --> 0:13:11.080 numbers to work with and it's not really helping me. 0:13:10.920 --> 0:13:12.720 I mean, it's a little like the Kalil Max situation 0:13:12.720 --> 0:13:17.240 with Tank. I mean, Khalil set the market, but nobody 0:13:17.320 --> 0:13:19.320 was going to exceed that. I don't, I don't. You know, 0:13:19.720 --> 0:13:21.840 Russell Wilson's deal is not going to get exceeded here. 0:13:21.880 --> 0:13:24.520 I wouldn't think just because it's thirty five million a year. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.880 I think it's going to be twenty eight. Is it 0:13:27.920 --> 0:13:31.520 fair to comparability to Russell Wilson and Dak Prescott ability? 0:13:31.559 --> 0:13:37.040 There's some skill sets for sure, yeah, but overall production 0:13:37.160 --> 0:13:39.160 Russ is on his way to a Hall of Fame career. 0:13:39.800 --> 0:13:41.680 You know, he's been doing this for a long time. 0:13:43.120 --> 0:13:47.200 It's a different situation. Is the most important thing for 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.719 the Hall of Fame career, which is a super super win. 0:13:50.040 --> 0:13:53.520 Should add two? Yeah, should have had too, should add too? 0:13:53.720 --> 0:13:58.320 But you know again is that's not Dak's fault. But see, 0:13:58.360 --> 0:14:00.560 we just can't come to grips that Dak Prescott's a 0:14:00.600 --> 0:14:03.600 thirty million dollar player. I mean, I think I have, 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.960 but I but then again, I'm spending like I own 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:11.080 this team. I'm probably not the right thing to do. Honestly, 0:14:11.280 --> 0:14:12.920 looking at this list, I mean I've come to grips 0:14:12.960 --> 0:14:16.080 with it too, because this is what it costs to 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.120 pay a quarterback that you want to be your starter 0:14:18.280 --> 0:14:22.040 for several years, doesn't as we all wait, Yeah, because 0:14:22.560 --> 0:14:25.760 as why because this is what it costs. What are 0:14:25.760 --> 0:14:30.920 you paying him? Yeah? What am I paying him? When? When? Yeah, 0:14:31.080 --> 0:14:33.880 sometime in the next year. Well, unless you want to 0:14:33.880 --> 0:14:38.560 franchise him, you're doing it this year. Next year my indication, 0:14:38.720 --> 0:14:41.160 I mean everything we've we've heard they're gonna work on 0:14:41.200 --> 0:14:43.240 this thing. And would it shock you if it gets 0:14:43.240 --> 0:14:45.600 done before the season, then I should I should get 0:14:45.640 --> 0:14:48.400 a discount because I don't he could make his two 0:14:48.440 --> 0:14:54.160 million dollars if he doesn't like my number. I've I'm 0:14:54.200 --> 0:14:55.880 not following you there, man, I don't have to. I 0:14:55.920 --> 0:14:58.000 don't have to pay him this year. No, you don't, No, 0:14:58.120 --> 0:15:00.440 you don't. You don't. You don't, you don't. But and 0:15:00.560 --> 0:15:02.880 I would have control of him next year too, right, 0:15:03.000 --> 0:15:06.320 that's true for on a Yeah, for franchise tag. You 0:15:06.600 --> 0:15:09.200 a franchise tag. Yeah, So teams have done that, You 0:15:09.280 --> 0:15:12.800 cousins did it? Do you want your sixty five million 0:15:12.840 --> 0:15:15.720 dollars signing bonus two years before I have to give 0:15:15.760 --> 0:15:19.760 it to you? And I think you have to factor 0:15:19.880 --> 0:15:22.760 that into the negotiation. So you're saying, with two years 0:15:22.800 --> 0:15:24.800 to go, still, if you wanted this deal, you're gonna 0:15:24.800 --> 0:15:27.480 have to take it to twenty six million dollars. Yeah. Yeah, 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.280 because you're getting your money ahead of time, two years 0:15:30.280 --> 0:15:34.400 ahead of time. You know I would get a discount. Well, 0:15:34.400 --> 0:15:36.480 he's gonna argue I'm the most underpaid player in the 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.040 league already. Well, then we're gonna have. But it's not 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:42.520 the Cowboys' fault that he got drafted in the fourth round. 0:15:42.840 --> 0:15:45.200 It's like, I can take you back to nineteen ninety 0:15:45.200 --> 0:15:48.520 when the Cowboys drafted Alexander Wright first pick in the 0:15:48.560 --> 0:15:51.640 second round. It was the twenty eighth pick in the 0:15:51.760 --> 0:15:54.720 draft because somebody forfeited their pick in the first round, 0:15:54.920 --> 0:15:58.280 and his agent argued that he was a first round player. Yeah, 0:15:58.320 --> 0:16:01.320 and they're saying, not my fault, you're a second round 0:16:01.320 --> 0:16:04.000 that's fair. So this is the same thing. It's not 0:16:04.120 --> 0:16:07.680 my fault that you lasted to the fourth round, and 0:16:07.800 --> 0:16:10.240 I don't have to make up for whatever you didn't 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:14.800 mate just because you played well. No. It's interesting because Dak, 0:16:14.920 --> 0:16:18.080 even though he has not had the playoffs success and 0:16:18.200 --> 0:16:21.320 his numbers may not match up exactly with Russell Wilson, 0:16:21.360 --> 0:16:24.040 he's at the same point in his career now and 0:16:24.840 --> 0:16:26.960 fourth round draft pick. Russell Wilson was a third round 0:16:27.000 --> 0:16:30.200 draft pick as Wilson was his last contract, which was 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:33.080 his second contract in the which was I assume you've 0:16:33.120 --> 0:16:37.080 got it four year and of course taking into account 0:16:37.160 --> 0:16:40.640 NFL inflation on this, this is in twenty fifteen. He 0:16:40.760 --> 0:16:45.720 got four years, eighty seven point six million with sixty 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:49.480 one point five guaranteed. There you go twenty two million 0:16:49.520 --> 0:16:53.520 a year, right, So now inflated by four years in 0:16:53.560 --> 0:17:01.200 the NFL, what do you have twenty five? Though? What it? Tank? 0:17:01.280 --> 0:17:03.600 Tank got what about a million per year over what 0:17:03.680 --> 0:17:07.400 his franchise number would have been? Yes, are you thinking 0:17:07.440 --> 0:17:09.840 the same thing? I'm just thinking if you do that 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:12.359 with Dak it would be about twenty five and a 0:17:12.359 --> 0:17:17.919 half six. Sure, just thinking just spitballing here, but it 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:20.080 kind of it kind of puts him in that pocket 0:17:20.080 --> 0:17:23.120 of quarterbacks we think he's better than. Right, Yeah, Drew 0:17:23.119 --> 0:17:25.919 Brees is in this in this mixed step. That's the 0:17:26.040 --> 0:17:28.800 rarity of Drew Brees and Tom Brady and those guys. 0:17:29.359 --> 0:17:32.120 Luck Steel was signed a long time ago too. Back 0:17:32.160 --> 0:17:33.840 to what I was saying earlier, I mean I'm just 0:17:33.880 --> 0:17:36.560 saying that's if you want to keep a quarterback long 0:17:36.680 --> 0:17:40.800 term three years or longer, this is what it costs. Now, 0:17:40.840 --> 0:17:43.919 you could, I mean, you could start over, but what 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.880 are the odds of who wants to do that? I mean, 0:17:46.920 --> 0:17:49.400 this is this is by all accounts, this is your guy. Oh, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:52.000 I'm the advocate of change him out, you know, I 0:17:52.800 --> 0:17:56.160 think you got to sign him for five or six years. Yeah, 0:17:56.640 --> 0:17:58.720 I'm the I'm the advocate of. This is the one 0:17:58.840 --> 0:18:03.040 organization that the general manager is not going anywhere. And 0:18:03.119 --> 0:18:05.760 if you really wanted to play the experiment of changing 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.080 out a quarterback every four years, not to pay them, 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.720 this would be the organization to do it, because, like 0:18:11.760 --> 0:18:14.879 I said, the general manager's not going anywhere. Owner's not 0:18:14.920 --> 0:18:17.800 going anywhere. This is the one team that could do 0:18:17.880 --> 0:18:20.520 that and see if it actually would work. You have 0:18:20.560 --> 0:18:22.320 to be able to trust that you're going to find guys. 0:18:22.400 --> 0:18:23.960 I mean you'd have to. Yeah, you'd have to kind 0:18:23.960 --> 0:18:26.639 of luck out because you're you're not planning on being bad, 0:18:27.000 --> 0:18:30.920 so you're not going to get a top five pick. Yeah. Well, 0:18:30.960 --> 0:18:33.560 if you look at how they structured Lawrence's contract, after 0:18:33.640 --> 0:18:36.320 three years, they can get out of it for five 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.760 million dead in the fourth year and five million dead 0:18:39.760 --> 0:18:41.480 in the fifth year if you make them a June 0:18:41.480 --> 0:18:46.280 one by pro rating the signing bonus, Mickey got Folks 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:48.880 are asking me on periscope period that you were all 0:18:48.960 --> 0:18:51.600 in on the Romo deal. What was there something there 0:18:51.640 --> 0:18:53.400 was a hold up on that or something like that. 0:18:54.080 --> 0:18:56.639 Am I missing something or am I jogging your memory 0:18:56.640 --> 0:19:00.560 on something you want me to remember back to twenty thirteen. No, 0:19:00.920 --> 0:19:02.439 I was trying. I didn't know if there was some 0:19:02.560 --> 0:19:05.159 hold up there that maybe that that we were all that, 0:19:05.280 --> 0:19:07.479 maybe that I was maybe we're arguing the same thing. 0:19:07.600 --> 0:19:09.600 I don't think there was. I don't think that because 0:19:09.840 --> 0:19:12.760 I don't remember there being anything contentious because when he 0:19:12.840 --> 0:19:16.040 got signed, it was like, oh, I mean it was 0:19:16.160 --> 0:19:19.840 good Friday, Yeah Friday, Yeah, good Friday, Good Friday. It's 0:19:19.880 --> 0:19:22.240 this Friday. It is this is Friday. There was a 0:19:22.320 --> 0:19:27.840 hell of a Friday for tot Romo. It was indeed, yeah, exactly, 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:31.959 you know, I think that to me, I don't know. 0:19:32.200 --> 0:19:35.879 I'm just I feel like though that the guy wins, 0:19:36.240 --> 0:19:39.679 he wins, absolutely wins. The bottom line is and but 0:19:39.760 --> 0:19:42.480 I'm trying to find a spot between my thirty million 0:19:42.520 --> 0:19:46.080 dollars a year and Mickey's twenty five. I'm trying to 0:19:46.080 --> 0:19:48.879 find something there, and I don't know. I don't know 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.280 if I don't know how this one was gonna is 0:19:51.320 --> 0:19:53.880 gonna go, you know, And I really I shouldn't act 0:19:53.880 --> 0:19:55.800 like I knew how the it sounds like to me, 0:19:55.840 --> 0:19:58.959 the Lawrence one started off just terribly well. Don't you 0:19:59.000 --> 0:20:02.200 think if Derek Carr two years ago got five years, 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:05.199 one hundred and twenty five million, seventy million guaranteed, that 0:20:05.400 --> 0:20:09.679 Dak is going to get more? I would say fairly 0:20:09.680 --> 0:20:11.760 significantly more than that kind of what I was saying. 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:14.320 I mean, it's like, no offense to Derek Carr, but 0:20:14.400 --> 0:20:16.800 what's he what's he done? I mean, because that's not 0:20:16.840 --> 0:20:21.280 the Cowboys problem, right, well I'm talking about I'm talking 0:20:21.320 --> 0:20:25.280 about Okay, that's fine, I mean, agent proceeds. But just 0:20:25.320 --> 0:20:29.800 because one club just blows the market the average market 0:20:29.880 --> 0:20:32.240 value for this, but it doesn't mean I gotta adhere 0:20:32.240 --> 0:20:35.080 to But it's not one club. It's Jimmy Garoppolo, it's 0:20:35.160 --> 0:20:37.560 Kirk Cousins, it's I mean, I can go down to 0:20:37.600 --> 0:20:40.680 this and what's there? What's their salary cap? Situation when 0:20:40.720 --> 0:20:44.880 they did it and when and their Opland salary cap 0:20:44.960 --> 0:20:48.240 situation went through the roof, and that's why they traded 0:20:48.280 --> 0:20:52.840 Khalil Mack and Amari Cooper and Amari Cooper. But Derek 0:20:52.840 --> 0:20:56.600 Carr was coming off a twelve and three season playoff 0:20:56.640 --> 0:20:59.360 season when he signed that contract in June of two 0:20:59.400 --> 0:21:03.480 thousand and seven and teen. And you know, I think 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.600 I think you're for sure looking at twenty eight million 0:21:06.640 --> 0:21:09.680 dollars a year for Dak. If I had to guess, 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:11.800 I'd think so too. I mean, I grew up. That's 0:21:11.840 --> 0:21:16.240 I think that's the base now. I mean you can compromise, obviously, Tank, 0:21:16.440 --> 0:21:20.399 If seven and a half million a year, then Dak's 0:21:20.400 --> 0:21:22.440 gonna get twenty eight million a year. Let me ask 0:21:22.480 --> 0:21:25.399 you this, please, could he get a second contract? Do 0:21:25.400 --> 0:21:27.159 you think Dad could? If you if we if we 0:21:27.240 --> 0:21:29.280 structured in a way we went with the early guarantee 0:21:29.320 --> 0:21:31.159 like I was talking about, Yeah, do you think he 0:21:31.160 --> 0:21:34.200 could get the second contract? Like Russell Wilson is just gunning? Yeah? 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:36.240 I mean Bill, Bill's talking about the eighty four million 0:21:36.240 --> 0:21:38.800 dollar contract that he got. Then could he get another contract? 0:21:38.840 --> 0:21:41.200 Dak will be what twenty six This summer. I mean, 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.680 so for four years from now he'll be where Russell. 0:21:44.680 --> 0:21:47.320 The Cowboys hope that he's where Russell Wilson is. So 0:21:47.320 --> 0:21:49.960 so we start small and then try and get there. 0:21:50.160 --> 0:21:53.080