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Speaker 1: Warning This podcast dates spoilers for the second episode of

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Speaker 1: the Last of Us on HBO Max. Hello, my name

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Speaker 1: is Jason Concepcion and I'm Rosy Night, and welcome the

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Speaker 1: next revision of the Crooked Media podcast, where we dive

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Speaker 1: deep in your favorite shows, movies, comics, and pop culture.

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Speaker 2: In this episode, in the Airlock, we're digging deep into

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Speaker 2: the Last of Us episode Don't Eat the Bread, Don't

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Speaker 2: Eat It, No Cake, and in nerd Out, we're doing

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Speaker 2: a very relevant theory from Brandon. Let's go Brandon and

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Speaker 2: if you want to supportive of the theories, if you

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Speaker 2: want to jump around, as always, just check the show

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Speaker 2: notes for the time stamps.

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Speaker 1: Coming up the air lock, We're stepping out of the

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Speaker 1: airlock into the overgrown and ruined halls of a colonial

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Speaker 1: museum in Back Bay, Boston for the Last of Us

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Speaker 1: Episode two.

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Speaker 2: Titled Infected.

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Speaker 1: Titled Infected show of course created by Craig Mason and

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Speaker 1: Neil Druckman, creative director of the game for Naughty Dog

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Speaker 1: Epeed by Mason, and of course this episode directed by

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Speaker 1: game creative director Neil Druckman.

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Speaker 2: Perfect timing as well, because Neil's about to introduce the

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Speaker 2: big Bat, the Big Bat, the Big Boss, the big Boss,

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Speaker 2: and he does it well.

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Speaker 1: We open in Jakarta, Indonesia, September twenty third, two thousand

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Speaker 1: and three, a place where Joel at this time was

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Speaker 1: A military man enters a restaurant, interrupting the lunch of

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Speaker 1: a woman who is dining there. Her name is Ibu Ratna.

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Speaker 1: She is a professor at the University of Indonesia specializing

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Speaker 1: that's a op field cordy steps and dun dun dum,

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Speaker 1: which is a fungus noted for its ability to take

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Speaker 1: And he's like it came off of a human specimen.

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Speaker 1: She's like, no, it didn't. That's an absolutely it didn't.

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Speaker 1: That's impossible. Cut too a even more secure part of

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Speaker 1: the secure wing of the secure hospital. Doctor Rata, now

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Speaker 1: in full biohazard gear, is walking in to inspect the

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Speaker 1: victim that this specimen was taken from the general very

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Speaker 1: helpfully tells her, get what you need and get the

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Speaker 2: Don't go close, don't do it. It's just don't do it.

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Speaker 2: She thinks she's being arrested. Then they're giving her, you know,

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Speaker 2: a little bit of breadcrumb's news until she gets into

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Speaker 1: And the horror is that there is a young woman

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Speaker 2: The big theory there is.

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Speaker 1: There has been a theory out there that obviously, this

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Speaker 1: You know what's funny is in episode one, Joel jokingly

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Speaker 1: She then tearfully says, hey, can I get a ride

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Speaker 2: They had a testing system. X ray Vision will be back.

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Speaker 1: There's a funny moment that follows, which is actually pretty

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Speaker 1: meaningful considering our cold open, where it's breakfast time. Tests

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Speaker 1: he had that flashback? To the night on the riverbank

435
00:23:03,160 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 1: with Sarah in his arms, and before he can answer,

436
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 1: Test returns and she's got bad news that Hey, so

437
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:13,120
Speaker 1: the way we have to go it's just all infected.

438
00:23:13,200 --> 00:23:15,359
Speaker 2: It's an infected party. You know, the long way that

439
00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:16,960
Speaker 2: was supposed to be the safe way and now the

440
00:23:17,000 --> 00:23:19,280
Speaker 2: long way is also the dead way, and there's just

441
00:23:19,320 --> 00:23:22,439
Speaker 2: like infected everywhere, and it's it's all bad. But we

442
00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 2: do learn something very interesting here. This is a cool

443
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 2: episode if you want to know about the cordyceps virus

444
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,040
Speaker 2: and that infected because we kind of get to learn

445
00:23:30,080 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: through Ellie's eyes a little bit more about them.

446
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:38,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, you see the sun kind of moving across the landscape,

447
00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:40,760
Speaker 1: you know, as clouds kind of go across the face

448
00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: of the sun, and as this sunbeam moves across these

449
00:23:44,800 --> 00:23:50,600
Speaker 1: kind of this lolling hundred crowd. Yeah, they all react

450
00:23:50,680 --> 00:23:53,560
Speaker 1: to it in Unison, and Ellie's like, oh my god,

451
00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: they're connected, and Tessa's more than you know, and she

452
00:23:56,160 --> 00:24:01,800
Speaker 1: tells them that those fungal tentacles they grow underground too,

453
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,840
Speaker 1: and they're like a fungal web, like an internet for

454
00:24:04,920 --> 00:24:07,440
Speaker 1: the ya. It creates like a hive mind yeah, and

455
00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:11,359
Speaker 1: if you step on a patch of those tentacles, it

456
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,879
Speaker 1: can send a message miles away and murder alert the

457
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: hores and here they come.

458
00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,000
Speaker 2: And I believe that is new as well. That is

459
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:18,879
Speaker 2: very new.

460
00:24:19,000 --> 00:24:23,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is very new and very terrifying. And Tess

461
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:25,800
Speaker 1: again is being very warm in the way she's delivering this.

462
00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 1: She's she's she even says something to the effect of listen,

463
00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:30,280
Speaker 1: I'm not telling you this to scary. I'm telling us

464
00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: because you need to know. Yeah, because you're immune, but

465
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:34,600
Speaker 1: but you're not immune to getting ripped apart.

466
00:24:34,800 --> 00:24:36,680
Speaker 2: I love that line. She's like, yeah, you're immune to

467
00:24:36,720 --> 00:24:38,760
Speaker 2: getting bitmed, but you're not immune to like a zombie

468
00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 2: coming and like tearing your limbs off, Like sorry, babe,

469
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,840
Speaker 2: but and then bad news. The short way is the

470
00:24:43,920 --> 00:24:46,000
Speaker 2: only way now, baby, Through the museum.

471
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:49,520
Speaker 1: Through the museum a beautiful red brick colonial covered in

472
00:24:49,640 --> 00:24:50,520
Speaker 1: fungal tentacles.

473
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: The door is literally like lock hut.

474
00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: Joel goes over, touches one of the big tentacles it is.

475
00:24:57,800 --> 00:24:58,720
Speaker 1: It's bone dry, and he.

476
00:24:58,720 --> 00:25:02,160
Speaker 2: Says, well, you know, maybe feel positive.

477
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,720
Speaker 1: So they get ready to head in flashlights come out

478
00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:09,120
Speaker 1: tests and Ellie, you know, have another talk. Test is like, listen,

479
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:11,000
Speaker 1: you just stay behind us. We're gonna move very slow.

480
00:25:11,320 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 1: If anything happens, you get between me and Joel. And

481
00:25:14,640 --> 00:25:17,240
Speaker 1: then the guns come out, and this is an interesting moment.

482
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:25,040
Speaker 1: So Test uses that alternating flashlight pistol overhand grip restore

483
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: the wrist, and then later in the episode says at

484
00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:31,240
Speaker 1: the very end, says to Joel, save who you can save,

485
00:25:31,560 --> 00:25:36,960
Speaker 1: which is a very nine to eleven era first responder

486
00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: to say, and it makes me think Test was a cop.

487
00:25:42,000 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely some kind of first responder kind of situation.

488
00:25:44,800 --> 00:25:47,640
Speaker 2: And also it fits in with what we know of Test,

489
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,560
Speaker 2: which in the game, the little things that we get

490
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,760
Speaker 2: to see about, she's usually the one who's giving Joel

491
00:25:51,840 --> 00:25:54,639
Speaker 2: stuff to fix his wounds and wrap it up, and

492
00:25:54,680 --> 00:25:56,840
Speaker 2: they do a nice inversion of that in this episode.

493
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,840
Speaker 2: But yeah, I thought that was a really great catch

494
00:25:58,920 --> 00:26:02,840
Speaker 2: from you. And again, you know, Ellie just wants a gun. Yes,

495
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,080
Speaker 2: she's give me a gun. She's like, I've got and

496
00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,439
Speaker 2: Joel's like, good for you. You know, hey, we're going

497
00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:09,560
Speaker 2: to a dark building. Can I have a gun? I

498
00:26:09,640 --> 00:26:12,320
Speaker 2: mean this is like, if you've played the game, never

499
00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:14,359
Speaker 2: shot a gun, but can I have one. I mean,

500
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,119
Speaker 2: sure they won't they teaching you that they fed you

501
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: military school, though I feel like they should. They probably

502
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:20,480
Speaker 2: didn't want the kids to have done so they could escape,

503
00:26:20,520 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: but still I feel like that would have been probably

504
00:26:22,280 --> 00:26:25,800
Speaker 2: a good idea in the context of this. So in

505
00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:30,640
Speaker 2: here is where we get our first view of the clickers.

506
00:26:30,720 --> 00:26:34,840
Speaker 1: Now, Joel and Tess are initially feeling pretty good. They

507
00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:39,240
Speaker 1: find this like this group of dried up and dead infected,

508
00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:42,640
Speaker 1: so they know good they're dead. But then flashlight pan

509
00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:44,560
Speaker 1: over to the side and there's like a body that's

510
00:26:44,600 --> 00:26:46,880
Speaker 1: been dead like two hours.

511
00:26:46,600 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 2: And it's like it's like ripped apart, like it's throat

512
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,880
Speaker 2: stripped off. Ellie's freaked out because Ellie's like, I've been

513
00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,639
Speaker 2: bitten and that's not some It couldn't have done that

514
00:26:55,760 --> 00:26:58,639
Speaker 2: to me, Like this, what is this? And Tess's face,

515
00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,000
Speaker 2: the fear on their on their faces is so good. Yeah,

516
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:06,560
Speaker 2: the way she's like, maybe maybe he died outside and

517
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,800
Speaker 2: maybe he goes outside and and you know they know

518
00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:11,720
Speaker 2: that that's not true. They don't want to see it.

519
00:27:11,960 --> 00:27:13,680
Speaker 2: They don't want to, they don't want it. And it

520
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:19,600
Speaker 2: tells you if two badasses like this who have killed

521
00:27:19,640 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 2: lots of efects and survived like twenty years. Yeah, are scared.

522
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 2: Then this is serious.

523
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Joel then tells Ellie, Okay, listen from this point forward, silence, silence.

524
00:27:30,400 --> 00:27:30,680
Speaker 2: Okay.

525
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:34,200
Speaker 1: Have you seen that movie with John Krasinski and Emily Blunt?

526
00:27:34,480 --> 00:27:36,280
Speaker 1: All right, you see that one, But no, that didn't

527
00:27:36,280 --> 00:27:36,760
Speaker 1: come out yet.

528
00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: It didn't come out. Ye never came out. Okay, but

529
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,640
Speaker 2: it's like that. Yeah, not quiet, silent side, no quips,

530
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:47,560
Speaker 2: no like strange bits about being in a hotel. Just

531
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:49,880
Speaker 2: fucking do it and don't say shit.

532
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:52,600
Speaker 1: So they go forward and they're you know, they creep

533
00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:55,200
Speaker 1: their way forward, and at one point, Ellie steps on

534
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,119
Speaker 1: a dried vine and they're just like, oh ship. And

535
00:27:57,160 --> 00:27:59,359
Speaker 1: then there's like a building collapse on the stairs and

536
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,480
Speaker 1: they're like, oh shit. They eventually get into kind of

537
00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: one of the display halls and behind them as they

538
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 1: go up, the staircase collapses behind them, which draws the

539
00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:14,280
Speaker 1: attention of a clicker. You hear it screech first, and

540
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,840
Speaker 1: then you hear the as it's searching, you know, with

541
00:28:17,000 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: it's audio waves.

542
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,320
Speaker 2: It comes up and.

543
00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,240
Speaker 1: Ellie is crazy with her you can see it on

544
00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,640
Speaker 1: her face. How absolutely terrified she is. And then there's

545
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,640
Speaker 1: another screech, and now it looks like, oh shit, there's

546
00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:33,080
Speaker 1: two of them. Joel gestures to Ellie. He says, like,

547
00:28:33,359 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 1: you know, saying essentially, hey, they're blind, but they can hear,

548
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:41,240
Speaker 1: they can hear. Such she's freaking out. The monster is

549
00:28:41,280 --> 00:28:44,200
Speaker 1: coming close, coming closer, coming closer, and then when it

550
00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:49,320
Speaker 1: turns to them, we get this incredible view of really,

551
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: how what a great job they did on the creature design,

552
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:56,760
Speaker 1: like aporting the design over from the game, but then

553
00:28:56,880 --> 00:28:59,840
Speaker 1: obviously the detailing, the scariness, the way it looks like

554
00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:01,960
Speaker 1: something out of a Gearmann del Toro.

555
00:29:02,360 --> 00:29:04,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's so good. Like I was just

556
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: saying this to Vascilla's before, like our super sound guys

557
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,760
Speaker 2: like that. When you play the game, you see the

558
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 2: yellow outline, you see the implication of a fungus, but

559
00:29:14,080 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: you're so busy trying to kill it and it's scary,

560
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:17,800
Speaker 2: and a lot of times you see them outside though,

561
00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 2: I have to say the Museum they adapted it perfectly.

562
00:29:19,960 --> 00:29:21,400
Speaker 2: This was the first time when I played the game

563
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:23,680
Speaker 2: that I got scared and they really translated this is

564
00:29:23,760 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: directly from this is directly and it's that moment where

565
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,440
Speaker 2: you go more into that classic horror video game style.

566
00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:33,160
Speaker 2: You're in a dark space, you're lighting it with a flashlight.

567
00:29:33,200 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 2: You gotta be stealthy. But I didn't expect them to

568
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:37,959
Speaker 2: be able to pull off the clickers and make them

569
00:29:38,040 --> 00:29:41,520
Speaker 2: something so horrific, Like Giamo del Toro is a great pole.

570
00:29:41,600 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: It's very resident evil. The kind of only sign of

571
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,680
Speaker 2: their humanity is just like gaping more with broken teeth,

572
00:29:47,760 --> 00:29:49,480
Speaker 2: and then on top of their heads are these like

573
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 2: it's fungus, but it's also you pointed out, it's like plating.

574
00:29:52,760 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: It's almost like a dinosaur, like a triceratops, but like

575
00:29:55,800 --> 00:30:00,160
Speaker 2: with fungus growing on top. It's truly horrific stuff. Even

576
00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:02,400
Speaker 2: though I have to say pretty much everyone that I've

577
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,640
Speaker 2: seen loves this show. But if you were waiting for

578
00:30:04,720 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 2: the episode where it becomes like a scary zombie show,

579
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 2: this is the episode.

580
00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: So it's it comes close, it swings its face towards

581
00:30:14,640 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 1: them into the beam of the flashlight, which whoever did that?

582
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:22,480
Speaker 1: Don't do that? And please, and Ellie gasps, and now

583
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:25,600
Speaker 1: it's fucking on. And one thing we could say about

584
00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:29,240
Speaker 1: this these version of the clickers is they are way

585
00:30:30,080 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 1: heardier than the video game. The video version, they take

586
00:30:33,560 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: some gunshots, but if you get like two head shots,

587
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:36,959
Speaker 1: it's going to go down.

588
00:30:37,040 --> 00:30:39,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. The thing that I'm depending on your difficult

589
00:30:40,320 --> 00:30:42,760
Speaker 2: I was gonna say I'm very bad at heeadshots, more

590
00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:44,360
Speaker 2: of a four or five person. But you know what

591
00:30:44,400 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 2: I will say, I'm going to be very interested to

592
00:30:46,760 --> 00:30:50,360
Speaker 2: see how the clickers take it later on, because what

593
00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:53,040
Speaker 2: I ended up finding was very easy, and my difficulty

594
00:30:53,080 --> 00:30:56,200
Speaker 2: saying is once you start modeling your melee weapons, you

595
00:30:56,280 --> 00:30:58,160
Speaker 2: can kill them in a couple of swipes. Yeah, I

596
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:00,640
Speaker 2: wouldn't want to get close to one of the clickers

597
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 2: to know how that would go. Like Arendus, Yeah, they

598
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:06,640
Speaker 2: they super charged them and that kind of bizarker mode

599
00:31:06,680 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 2: where after you shoot them once and then that is

600
00:31:09,880 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 2: just horrific.

601
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:16,120
Speaker 1: Care So, uh, the fighters on the first clicker, the

602
00:31:16,240 --> 00:31:17,320
Speaker 1: one that's closest to them.

603
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,800
Speaker 2: Takes like four or five like, oh, it's directly the

604
00:31:20,880 --> 00:31:21,360
Speaker 2: tour Zoe.

605
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: No reaction is fighting with Jewel like nothing happened, which

606
00:31:24,720 --> 00:31:25,880
Speaker 1: kind of makes sense you think.

607
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,040
Speaker 2: About it, because if it's if it's just the body

608
00:31:28,160 --> 00:31:31,160
Speaker 2: is essentially a shell. Yeah, that's why would it damage it?

609
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 2: You know, you have to get to that that cerebral

610
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 2: cortex or wherever the main fungus is. Shoot ahead like

611
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:38,920
Speaker 2: everything exactly. Movie. That's the rule.

612
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,960
Speaker 1: Test and Elly run big, big fight. At the end

613
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:46,000
Speaker 1: of it, they do take down both clickers and Tests

614
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:47,160
Speaker 1: is okay.

615
00:31:47,600 --> 00:31:51,560
Speaker 2: Except for it twisted. Great, She looks good, fine, she says,

616
00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: I'm fine. I twisted my ankle. That's it. Okay, let's

617
00:31:54,640 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 2: move on. Ellie got bit again and she's like, well,

618
00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: at least it was me if it had to you

619
00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 2: one of us.

620
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 1: Right, We're fine, and they go out over the roof.

621
00:32:04,560 --> 00:32:07,720
Speaker 1: They get on the roof, Tessa's looking at Joel sadly

622
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:08,880
Speaker 1: as he's taping her up.

623
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,760
Speaker 2: I love it. You get and you get this like

624
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 2: these moments. Something that I love about this show that

625
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,000
Speaker 2: it understands about the game is these like moments of

626
00:32:17,120 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 2: like empathy and compassion and comfort and these tiny moments

627
00:32:20,480 --> 00:32:23,240
Speaker 2: that people can have together, like when he's wrapping her

628
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 2: foot and they're kind of talking. And again you go

629
00:32:25,320 --> 00:32:28,360
Speaker 2: from this deep, dark, horrific hauls where you're kind of

630
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:32,800
Speaker 2: chased by this nightmare monster onto this beautiful, sunlit rooftop

631
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:37,240
Speaker 2: with this broken down city scape. It's such wonderful juxaposition,

632
00:32:37,320 --> 00:32:39,600
Speaker 2: but it never feels kind of jarring. It's just like

633
00:32:39,680 --> 00:32:43,000
Speaker 2: a really nice, breathing kind of spot. And we get

634
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:46,560
Speaker 2: another you know, Joel and Tessa have in this moment,

635
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:49,800
Speaker 2: and then you get this unbelievable shot of Ellie kind

636
00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 2: of as they traverse the piece of Wood, which again

637
00:32:52,280 --> 00:32:55,160
Speaker 2: is one of the most memorable scenes from the from

638
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 2: the video game.

639
00:32:55,960 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: Now, there's a there's a small interaction here that I

640
00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:00,480
Speaker 1: think tells you a lot about Joel and Test's Joel

641
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: is like, hey, so you know, maybe we don't know

642
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:04,520
Speaker 1: what happened with that first bite. Maybe this is the

643
00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:07,920
Speaker 1: bite that's gonna it's gonna get and Test snaps, She's like,

644
00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:10,040
Speaker 1: can you just take the good news, you know, and

645
00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,200
Speaker 1: maybe this time we can actually win? And it what

646
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 1: it suggested to me and I thought this was great writing.

647
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 2: Is that.

648
00:33:18,520 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 1: Contra the game, Test was the more hopeful one. Yeah,

649
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 1: in their relationship.

650
00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:26,719
Speaker 2: Joel Joel and in the in the game, he's dead inside,

651
00:33:26,760 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 2: but it's like he's dead inside and he just follows

652
00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,200
Speaker 2: Tests and does whatever she wants. But here he's dead

653
00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 2: inside and that allows him to do the terrible things

654
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 2: that need to be done, whereas with Tests, Test can

655
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 2: take it, but she's tired of giving it out. She

656
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:41,640
Speaker 2: wants that little bit of hope. She doesn't want to

657
00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 2: be killing people. She wants to imagine that this time

658
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:45,560
Speaker 2: they can actually win. Yeah.

659
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 1: This this felt like a window into their relationship that

660
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,440
Speaker 1: maybe Tests is the person who's like, oh, maybe it's

661
00:33:51,480 --> 00:33:53,360
Speaker 1: real this time, maybe we can do this, maybe we

662
00:33:53,400 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 1: can do that, whereas Joel's like, this is never changing.

663
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:56,600
Speaker 1: This is what we're doing right now.

664
00:33:58,600 --> 00:33:59,720
Speaker 2: Joel goes over to Ellie.

665
00:34:00,200 --> 00:34:03,200
Speaker 1: Tests stays behind to kind of tape herself up, and

666
00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: you can see the State House across the way. It's

667
00:34:05,840 --> 00:34:10,439
Speaker 1: beautiful under the sunlight. And as they move out, there's

668
00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 1: a great moment where Joel glances at his watch and

669
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 1: just like takes one look at the broken watch. They

670
00:34:16,640 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 1: get to the state House, firefly convoy is there in

671
00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:21,800
Speaker 1: front of the building. No sign of the firefly themselves.

672
00:34:22,400 --> 00:34:23,000
Speaker 2: Suspicious.

673
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:23,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, not good.

674
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 2: Joel goes up.

675
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:27,359
Speaker 1: He checks the truck gets streaked with blood. There's's dead

676
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:32,160
Speaker 1: bodies all around, torn apart by infected blood trail that's

677
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,279
Speaker 1: leading up into the State house, and Ellie's like, oh,

678
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:39,719
Speaker 1: they went inside. Test now grabs Ellie by the arm

679
00:34:40,000 --> 00:34:43,399
Speaker 1: and rushes in because she's ready to like she's done,

680
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:45,719
Speaker 1: she's ready to find out, like is it real?

681
00:34:45,800 --> 00:34:46,359
Speaker 2: What's next?

682
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: Probably, you know, depending on you know, probably because of

683
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: the reveal it's about to happen, because she is one

684
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:59,760
Speaker 1: she is inspired by and buoyed by and really deeply

685
00:35:00,239 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: by like this sliver of hope that she's feeling, and

686
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,240
Speaker 1: also like, hey, if there is a cure.

687
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:08,200
Speaker 2: But can we cook it up real quick? I maybe

688
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,279
Speaker 2: have it? How's it going? How's it going?

689
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:13,480
Speaker 1: So they get in there and everybody's dead, and Joel

690
00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:18,239
Speaker 1: reads the situation. One or more of the fireflies got infected.

691
00:35:18,480 --> 00:35:20,320
Speaker 1: There is a fight as the healthy ones fought the

692
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:24,359
Speaker 1: sick ones, and then everybody lost. In Joel's words. Tests

693
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:25,840
Speaker 1: is then like okay, well there's got to be a

694
00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: fucking map or a radio or some kind of indication

695
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 1: about where Ellie was supposed to go.

696
00:35:30,280 --> 00:35:33,200
Speaker 2: And Joel's like, okay, we did it done, Yeah, we

697
00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 2: dropped ahead. Let's go.

698
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 1: Let's go home, he says, and then Test snaps it's

699
00:35:37,480 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 1: not my fucking home, which is like a hugely revealing

700
00:35:42,480 --> 00:35:46,439
Speaker 1: comment again from Tests who all the while, you know again,

701
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,319
Speaker 1: it suggests all the while, all the while, all the way,

702
00:35:48,360 --> 00:35:50,600
Speaker 1: Test has been like hoping for a real place, a

703
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 1: real end to this.

704
00:35:52,400 --> 00:35:52,480
Speaker 2: Uh.

705
00:35:52,719 --> 00:35:54,759
Speaker 1: And then she says, you know, my luck had to

706
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:56,600
Speaker 1: run out, sooner or later, I'm going to stay behind.

707
00:35:56,640 --> 00:35:58,080
Speaker 1: And Ellie gets it Test was bitten.

708
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 2: Uh. Joel is shaded by this.

709
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 1: Test shows him the wound which is on her neck

710
00:36:04,239 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: and it's already like fung this out.

711
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 2: And she's like, look at Ellie's this is like three

712
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:10,719
Speaker 2: weeks ago, Like what the fuck is wrong with you?

713
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,800
Speaker 1: This is this is real because look at this exact

714
00:36:14,840 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: dialogue from the game where she her reaction is like oops, right,

715
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:22,920
Speaker 1: you know, yeah yeah. Test then begs Joel in an

716
00:36:23,000 --> 00:36:27,000
Speaker 1: increasingly emotional appeal, to take Ellie West to find Tommy

717
00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: and his group and.

718
00:36:28,760 --> 00:36:32,120
Speaker 2: To stop this, to cure this. She's like, your brother

719
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:34,839
Speaker 2: was a fly, firefly, like if anything he knows.

720
00:36:35,000 --> 00:36:36,719
Speaker 1: Joel is like, they won't listen to me. They're not

721
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: going to listen to me, Like I don't I've never

722
00:36:38,239 --> 00:36:40,400
Speaker 1: been a firefly person, and I don't.

723
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 2: Want to do this, Like I have no investment in this,

724
00:36:42,600 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 2: this is like your thing.

725
00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 1: And Tess is like, you can do it because they'll

726
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,359
Speaker 1: listen to you, and you need to keep her alive

727
00:36:50,120 --> 00:36:53,640
Speaker 1: and set everything right, and please say yes, Joel. In

728
00:36:53,800 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: that moment, an infected corpse you know, shakes to not

729
00:36:57,960 --> 00:36:59,960
Speaker 1: life after life, whatever you call it. Joel walks over

730
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:04,680
Speaker 1: shoots it. But that corpse happened to be laying in

731
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: a pile of the cordy SIPs fungal net, which transmits

732
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: the signal to a nearby horde, and you can hear

733
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:15,919
Speaker 1: them screeching, growing louder, and they'll be there in about

734
00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: a minute. Test is like, okay, I'm going to stay

735
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,439
Speaker 1: and hold them off. And this is when she says

736
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 1: to Joel, save who you can save. You know you

737
00:37:24,080 --> 00:37:27,040
Speaker 1: can save her, I can save you, and I'm gonna

738
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:30,200
Speaker 1: stay here. Joel then races with Ellie out of the bill,

739
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,760
Speaker 1: drags her out. Ellie is like, no, we're not again.

740
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 1: This like naive innocence the child, like why can't we help?

741
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: Kind of feeling the same thing that Sarah displayed on

742
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,680
Speaker 1: the night and everything broke out, which is like why

743
00:37:44,680 --> 00:37:48,400
Speaker 1: aren't we stopping for that family behind them? The building

744
00:37:48,480 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: explodes as Tests with her last strength, ignites her cigarette lighter,

745
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: which sends up barrels of gasoline and loose hand grenades,

746
00:37:55,760 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: and Joel heads off in the direction they need to go,

747
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,840
Speaker 1: with Ellie just kind of shocked staring at everything. X

748
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: Ray Vision will be back, and we're back without spoiling

749
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: how this is gonna go For people who haven't played

750
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:21,399
Speaker 1: the game, I think one thing that's important to get

751
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:27,479
Speaker 1: here is how much everybody but Joel wants to save

752
00:38:27,600 --> 00:38:28,600
Speaker 1: the world and help people.

753
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:33,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. Joel's relationships are defined

754
00:38:33,600 --> 00:38:35,440
Speaker 2: by the people closest to him.

755
00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:39,279
Speaker 1: That he's he's a selfish guy, but it is cool.

756
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:43,560
Speaker 1: He's selfish, but in a really an understandable and humane.

757
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,920
Speaker 2: In a way that you can relate. It expands almost

758
00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 2: like a like a force field, like an invisible woman

759
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:54,000
Speaker 2: force field around those he loves. And yes, it's gonna

760
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 2: be really important and I'm very interested to see where

761
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,200
Speaker 2: this goes. Because so let's talk about test dying. This

762
00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 2: is almost identical to the video game, almost an accept

763
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,040
Speaker 2: in the video game, she's killed by federal soldiers. So

764
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 2: I love this choice because I think that it's really

765
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,880
Speaker 2: interesting that now we have the two people Joel's loved.

766
00:39:15,080 --> 00:39:17,280
Speaker 2: One was killed by soldiers, one was killed by infected.

767
00:39:17,400 --> 00:39:21,720
Speaker 2: So it adds that and I'm very interested in the game.

768
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 2: Joel does not take this death well and he and

769
00:39:24,600 --> 00:39:27,239
Speaker 2: he takes it out on Ellie kind of like in

770
00:39:27,719 --> 00:39:30,320
Speaker 2: a way that he sees her as the reason that

771
00:39:30,400 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 2: this happened. Ellie apologizes profusely in the moments in the game. Yeah,

772
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:37,960
Speaker 2: after this happens, and Joel's like, you cannot talk about it.

773
00:39:38,239 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 1: Don't talk about Tests. We're not talking about Test anymore.

774
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:41,120
Speaker 1: Don't say her name.

775
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,760
Speaker 2: I'm interested to see if if they go the exact

776
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: same route, because that's a really it's a really rough,

777
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:50,279
Speaker 2: like emotional journey for the two of them. I agree,

778
00:39:50,520 --> 00:39:53,200
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'm just like I so many people in

779
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 2: our discord were just so upset that Test died. Anatov

780
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: is so good, so good that even though I knew

781
00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 2: where was going it, it still kind of shocks you

782
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: because you're just like, she was so good. Didn't you

783
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:08,839
Speaker 2: want to keep her around, didn't you want to take

784
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 2: her to Billstown? Didn't you just want to imagine what

785
00:40:11,880 --> 00:40:15,279
Speaker 2: that role would be? But she Billstown? If you watched

786
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:18,160
Speaker 2: the end you know, if you that that may be

787
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 2: the name of the next chapter of the game. But yeah,

788
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: I'm I'm very I just think she was just so

789
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:29,920
Speaker 2: brilliant in this role. And also, now, somebody in our

790
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 2: discord did say that they think the first season is

791
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:34,160
Speaker 2: going to be the first game, and that that had

792
00:40:34,200 --> 00:40:36,640
Speaker 2: been confirmed. I have not read it, but I will

793
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:40,440
Speaker 2: say the speed that this is occurring does make that

794
00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 2: seem like it could be possible. Yeah, I agree, the

795
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:46,359
Speaker 2: speed that we are going through the events of the game.

796
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:51,000
Speaker 1: I mean we're already at this point about fifteen levels

797
00:40:51,080 --> 00:40:53,720
Speaker 1: into the game, you know, fifty missions exactly.

798
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,200
Speaker 2: Your this is the end of chapter three, and there's

799
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,000
Speaker 2: twelve chapters in the game. So I'm I'm very interesting.

800
00:41:00,160 --> 00:41:03,200
Speaker 2: Did because I would, I think that would be one

801
00:41:03,200 --> 00:41:06,520
Speaker 2: of the bravest choices that we've seen in TV for

802
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:09,360
Speaker 2: a long time, to not stretch out to five seasons,

803
00:41:09,440 --> 00:41:13,600
Speaker 2: to just not do that expansive kind of wide world,

804
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 2: long term storytelling that The Walking Dead did to get

805
00:41:16,120 --> 00:41:19,160
Speaker 2: to a point, and to instead understand that that game

806
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 2: has one of the most heartbreaking storylines and to just

807
00:41:22,040 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: tell it in one season and what you do after

808
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:25,279
Speaker 2: that is what you do after that to deal with

809
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:25,880
Speaker 2: the fallout.

810
00:41:26,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 1: Now, I think people are surprised at how quickly test

811
00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,759
Speaker 1: went out, even though as you mentioned, she does go

812
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: out in the same exact portion of the story the

813
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,960
Speaker 1: game version of the story that she does in the

814
00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:37,400
Speaker 1: television version.

815
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 2: Of the story.

816
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:41,080
Speaker 1: But well, first of all, it feels like you spend

817
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:43,359
Speaker 1: a lot more time with her one because she kills

818
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:44,440
Speaker 1: about a hundred people, and.

819
00:41:45,160 --> 00:41:48,239
Speaker 2: The predominant experience of tests, and you.

820
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 1: Know, depending on how good you are at the game,

821
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 1: you could spend you could have by that time have

822
00:41:53,480 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 1: spent anywhere from five from three hours to ten hours.

823
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, exactly, exactly.

824
00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,400
Speaker 1: Somebody in our discord had a really funny comment that

825
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:09,520
Speaker 1: that alerting the first clicker, Ellie Gasping, validated his play style,

826
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:12,240
Speaker 1: which is being bad at stealth.

827
00:42:13,400 --> 00:42:17,160
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I have to do stealth. I've been

828
00:42:17,239 --> 00:42:19,759
Speaker 2: playing the game, and like, if I try and go

829
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,719
Speaker 2: chaos mode, I'm the opposite because if I go chaos mode,

830
00:42:22,760 --> 00:42:25,800
Speaker 2: I lose. I lose every time, whether it's a clicker,

831
00:42:26,320 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 2: especially if it's a soldier. But yeah, it's really fun.

832
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 2: This is just such a good show, and I think

833
00:42:34,239 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 2: they're making a lot of really interesting choices. Agree because

834
00:42:38,400 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 2: also as well, this is a show where twice now

835
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:43,440
Speaker 2: within the first two episodes, they faked you out on

836
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 2: who your main cast is going to be. Because when

837
00:42:45,480 --> 00:42:47,160
Speaker 2: the first episode, you think it's going to be Tommy,

838
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,479
Speaker 2: and you think it's going to be Joel. That's true,

839
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,439
Speaker 2: and you think it's gonna be Sarah that was not true.

840
00:42:51,880 --> 00:42:55,960
Speaker 2: Then you think it's gonna be Tess and Joel and Ellie,

841
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:58,680
Speaker 2: and again you lose one of them within that episode.

842
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,480
Speaker 2: So I think it's going to be very interesting to

843
00:43:00,520 --> 00:43:03,479
Speaker 2: see how they keep people on the edges of their seat.

844
00:43:03,680 --> 00:43:06,160
Speaker 2: And the best thing is, as someone who's played the game,

845
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:09,160
Speaker 2: the show is still completely engaging, and it's really fun

846
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:12,839
Speaker 2: to see how closely they're adapting it. But I've seen,

847
00:43:13,040 --> 00:43:14,839
Speaker 2: and this is my thing that makes most excite. I've

848
00:43:14,880 --> 00:43:16,680
Speaker 2: seen so many people who've never played the game in

849
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:22,520
Speaker 2: our Discord online reviewers who just are absolutely invested. It's

850
00:43:22,560 --> 00:43:23,920
Speaker 2: really well the two episodes.

851
00:43:24,120 --> 00:43:25,680
Speaker 1: It's really well done in a great story, and I

852
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:28,920
Speaker 1: think one of the things two episodes in that we

853
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,800
Speaker 1: can kind of count on is how they're going to

854
00:43:34,040 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: fill in the blanks of the game. I mean, there's

855
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:37,399
Speaker 1: significant blanks in the game.

856
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: We don't know.

857
00:43:38,080 --> 00:43:40,200
Speaker 1: There's a lot about the fireflies we don't know. There's

858
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:41,920
Speaker 1: a lot about how federal works that we don't know.

859
00:43:42,120 --> 00:43:45,880
Speaker 1: You know next to nothing about how the fungus spread.

860
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 1: And the fact that you know, episode one, you get

861
00:43:50,840 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 1: all this interesting backstory. You follow Sarah for a lot

862
00:43:53,840 --> 00:43:56,680
Speaker 1: longer than you initially think that, you know, considering how

863
00:43:56,760 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 1: long you follow a drole. Episode two, you get how

864
00:44:01,200 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: the fungus broke out. I think that is going to

865
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Speaker 1: be is going to continue to be how this show

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Speaker 1: improves on what is already an excellent story told through

867
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Speaker 1: through video games, which is by filling in all these

868
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Speaker 1: blanks with flashbacks, with all the stuff you didn't see

869
00:44:18,160 --> 00:44:21,959
Speaker 1: in the game, and really keeping the stuff that's ripped

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Speaker 1: directly from the game as the more kind of like

871
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Speaker 1: suspenseful yeah yeah, yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 2: Stuff, which is what the game does, so replicating those

873
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Speaker 2: moments of like real horror. Yeah. I'm very interested as

874
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Speaker 2: well to see if every cold open is going to

875
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Speaker 2: be a different scientist, because they've kind of set that

876
00:44:37,719 --> 00:44:39,800
Speaker 2: up and I'd really love to see maybe how it

877
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 2: impacted people all over the world, you know, Chernobyl was

878
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:45,400
Speaker 2: very much about like showing how things break down in

879
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: this kind of human bureaucracy, like slow time, and I

880
00:44:48,440 --> 00:44:50,880
Speaker 2: feel like these cold opens are kind of interesting touches

881
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Speaker 2: of that, so I'm really excited to see what happens

882
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Speaker 2: in the cold open for episode three.

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Speaker 1: Later this week, for our Friday episode, we're going to

884
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Speaker 1: be covering the video game and second installment of our

885
00:45:01,640 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: coverage of the Last of Us video games, so check

886
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:05,520
Speaker 1: back for that, and of course we're going to be

887
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Speaker 1: covering the Last of Us on Hbox every Wednesday. In

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Speaker 1: your Headphones Up next nerd Out.

889
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Speaker 2: In today's nerd Out, where you tell us what you love,

890
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,879
Speaker 2: am why, or as you have been doing recently, share

891
00:45:26,920 --> 00:45:29,800
Speaker 2: a theory with us that makes you excited, which is

892
00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,799
Speaker 2: obviously we love theories. The tim foil Hattier the better,

893
00:45:33,200 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 2: But so far, I have to say we've been getting

894
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Speaker 2: a lot of very sensible theories. And yes, we have

895
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,440
Speaker 2: a new theory from Brandon that is about how a

896
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Speaker 2: real life incident could possibly inspire the way that the

897
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Speaker 2: MCU chooses to introduce mutants. So Jason joinerated the theory.

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Speaker 1: Sure, Hi, Jason and Rosie, Hi, I've been behind on

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Speaker 1: podcasts and catching up and every time you talk about

900
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Speaker 1: mutants needing to be hated and feared, I have thought

901
00:46:00,400 --> 00:46:02,279
Speaker 1: and forget to send it in. I think there's a

902
00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: really great and effective way to do it that the

903
00:46:04,239 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: audience would buy immediately. Make it a pandemic. Agents of

904
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Speaker 1: Shield kind of use this idea with terogenesis during they're

905
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:12,279
Speaker 1: in Humans ARC, and I think it would work really

906
00:46:12,320 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 1: well in our post pandemic time. My two sense things.

907
00:46:16,120 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: That's a fun, fun theory brain so that agence of

908
00:46:20,360 --> 00:46:22,840
Speaker 1: Shield ARC is ripped from the comics.

909
00:46:22,920 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, in Humans pterogenesis and kind of the way that

910
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:28,800
Speaker 2: they get their powers, which is you have to go

911
00:46:28,960 --> 00:46:32,240
Speaker 2: through this process where the terodymis brings out your powers.

912
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,359
Speaker 2: There's definitely a way with mutants because terogenesis is very

913
00:46:36,400 --> 00:46:38,960
Speaker 2: similar to like the mutant gene being activated. We know

914
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Speaker 2: that in the Weapon X program, and even if even

915
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,400
Speaker 2: in like the Deadpool movies, which everyone's really familiar with,

916
00:46:44,600 --> 00:46:46,959
Speaker 2: there's this idea that you can activate a mutant gene.

917
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Speaker 2: So they could definitely do something where an illness or

918
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 2: a global pandemic activated people's mutant genes, so you don't

919
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,920
Speaker 2: have to deal with that kind of analogy of mutation

920
00:46:57,160 --> 00:47:00,759
Speaker 2: is an illness, but you could talk about like how

921
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:03,359
Speaker 2: it be, how it coming out of an illness could

922
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Speaker 2: affect people, make people scared of it, and also be

923
00:47:06,200 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 2: a very interesting way to bring real life into it.

924
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Speaker 2: I think a lot of people are ready to see

925
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Speaker 2: TV and film that actually deals with or talks about

926
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Speaker 2: the pandemic that we have lived through, that we are

927
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Speaker 2: living through, you know. So I think this is really interesting.

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Speaker 2: The Marvel comics don't have a great history of doing

929
00:47:25,239 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: like illness analogies and mutation, but I would love to

930
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Speaker 2: see a thoughtful way. And I do think that there's

931
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Speaker 2: something in that idea of taking inspiration from terror genesis

932
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Speaker 2: and making it something where the mutant gene is actually

933
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Speaker 2: accelerated and then you can have mutations in all different

934
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Speaker 2: ages as well, if they have the mutin gene but

935
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Speaker 2: it hadn't been activated yet. You know. That's what happens

936
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Speaker 2: to DePaul in the movies. They kind of activate the

937
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 2: gene through this horrible process of like torturing them and stuff.

938
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Speaker 2: So the idea of some kind of pandemic that, rather

939
00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 2: than giving people powers, just activates a mutant gene would

940
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Speaker 2: be I think really interesting and also you know, the

941
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Speaker 2: mc I like the weirdest stuff. Everybody knows that, But

942
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Speaker 2: the MCU has long been grounded in this kind of

943
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:10,279
Speaker 2: idea of finding real ways to bring And also I

944
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Speaker 2: think that there's something really interesting to talk about about,

945
00:48:13,800 --> 00:48:16,920
Speaker 2: like superheros and disability and superheroes and chronic illness and

946
00:48:16,960 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 2: all that kind of stuff, and that's not often really

947
00:48:18,880 --> 00:48:21,120
Speaker 2: deeply explained. So again, if it was through an illness

948
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,640
Speaker 2: or something, there's lots of interesting kind of connotations and

949
00:48:25,560 --> 00:48:27,719
Speaker 2: ripe ground for exploration there.

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Speaker 1: Now, fun fact, the Terrogen bomb and Terror Genesis, you know,

951
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:36,800
Speaker 1: the kind of elevator pitch of that storyline was that

952
00:48:37,800 --> 00:48:41,759
Speaker 1: a bomb filled with terrogen miss was detonated in the atmosphere,

953
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Speaker 1: causing lots of people who have the latent in human

954
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,759
Speaker 1: gene to develop, including Kamalakon, including Kamalicon. Now, fun fact,

955
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Speaker 1: this was done in Marvel Comics pre Disney's acquisition of

956
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Speaker 1: Fox as.

957
00:48:59,200 --> 00:49:04,920
Speaker 2: A way to bring the mutant to the screen with

958
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,480
Speaker 2: because they didn't own the IP at that exactly, so

959
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:11,080
Speaker 2: at the time there was it was quite hard to

960
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,239
Speaker 2: find a Fantastic Four comic because they didn't own the IP.

961
00:49:15,040 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 2: It had been licensed away, and it was very hard

962
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:20,080
Speaker 2: to find a comic that was solely focused on the

963
00:49:20,239 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 2: X Men and the terror gen Bomb and the Cherogian

964
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:25,359
Speaker 2: myst and people like Kamala Khan who was originally pitched

965
00:49:25,400 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 2: as a mutant but then became an inhuman. In the

966
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:31,719
Speaker 2: comics through that it was basically hilarious editorial edicts to

967
00:49:31,800 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 2: basically say, look, look we do have them. We got

968
00:49:36,560 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 2: this guy who can't talk, voice is too loud. We

969
00:49:39,120 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 2: got a cool dog. Everybody loves that. Everybody loves I

970
00:49:44,560 --> 00:49:46,759
Speaker 2: actually would love to see I would love to see

971
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 2: love during Like in Miss Marvel season two, Petavengers talked

972
00:49:51,360 --> 00:49:54,520
Speaker 2: about it. You know, we have superstars, but you know

973
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 2: what the real truth is. We all saw how the

974
00:49:56,719 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 2: Inhuman's TV show went down like a level of and

975
00:50:01,080 --> 00:50:02,759
Speaker 2: if you even remember that it happened, you can watch

976
00:50:02,800 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 2: on Disney Plus. Though, yeah, it's very strange, has unbelievable cast,

977
00:50:07,360 --> 00:50:11,080
Speaker 2: but it didn't badwigs means. Also, they shaved off Medusa's

978
00:50:11,080 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 2: hair in the first episode. Her power is literally that

979
00:50:13,239 --> 00:50:15,200
Speaker 2: she has hair, So as soon as they did that,

980
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:17,600
Speaker 2: you know there was going to be a problem. But yeah,

981
00:50:17,800 --> 00:50:20,800
Speaker 2: I would be very interested. I wanted. A lot of

982
00:50:20,840 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 2: people thought that Miss Marvel was going to introduce in humans.

983
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:25,800
Speaker 2: I was always hoping it was going to be a

984
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,120
Speaker 2: mutant story. But I'm very interested to know if the

985
00:50:29,239 --> 00:50:31,719
Speaker 2: inhumans have a future in the MCU. After we saw

986
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:35,520
Speaker 2: Ants and Mount again, great casting, come back for that

987
00:50:35,719 --> 00:50:40,839
Speaker 2: really memorable moment in Multiverse of Madness. I'll be very

988
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:43,880
Speaker 2: interested to see if there's a universe, whether in humans

989
00:50:44,000 --> 00:50:48,399
Speaker 2: are the major heroes, and whether or not that comes

990
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 2: into play as we get to this kind of inevitable

991
00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 2: secret Wars convergence, kind of like multiple universes in one,

992
00:50:54,520 --> 00:50:58,719
Speaker 2: just no legacy virus type exactly. That's not what we want.

993
00:50:58,840 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, thank you, thanks for and if you have

994
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Speaker 1: theories or passions you want to share, hit us up

995
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Speaker 1: at x ray at crooked dot com. Instructions in the

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Speaker 1: show notes.

997
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Speaker 2: That's it for us, Rosie. Anything to plug uh. You

998
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Speaker 2: my only social media, Rosie Marx with an X. I

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Speaker 2: will be writing a bunch of stuff in the lead

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Speaker 2: up to A Man and the Wasp Quantumania, which obviously

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Speaker 2: we are very excited about, and we'll be getting more

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Speaker 2: excited about In the upcoming weeks. You can check out

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Speaker 2: my writing at IGN, Nerdict, Polygon, Den of Geek, all

1005
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Speaker 2: kinds of good places. I've got a big Den of

1006
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Speaker 2: Geek cover story coming out soon for our currently unannounced

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Speaker 2: cool thing. Jason, What about you? Let people find you?

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Speaker 1: You can find me in your podcast reet every Wednesday,

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Speaker 1: end or summer of twenty twenty three, and we'll catch you.

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