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Speaker 1: On this episode of newch World. I'm really pleased to

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Speaker 1: welcome back Grammy nominated singer songwriter John and Rossik of

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Speaker 1: five for Fighting. He recently released a song and new

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Speaker 1: music video entitled Okay, about the October seventh AAMAS attacks

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Speaker 1: on Israel. Okay is a composition that expresses his heartfelt

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Speaker 1: view about the attacks and also shines a light on

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Speaker 1: and around the world. Okay is not a political message,

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Speaker 1: but it is a moral one. John wrote Okay following

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Speaker 1: his previous songs Blood on My Hands about the US

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Speaker 1: withdrawal from Afghanistan and Can One Man Save the World,

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Speaker 1: which was recorded in Kiev in support of Ukraine. I'm

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Speaker 1: really pleased to welcome back my guest, John and Rossig. John, welcome,

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Speaker 1: and thank you for joining me again on neut World.

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Speaker 2: Thank you, mister speaker. It's always a pleasure to be

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Speaker 2: with you.

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Speaker 1: Let's start with your reaction to the Hamas October seventh

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Speaker 1: attack on Israel. What was your initial reaction.

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Speaker 2: I think we're all just horrified and disgusted. It reminded

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Speaker 2: me of the aftermath of nine to eleven. Just seeing

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Speaker 2: images we never could have imagined, and frankly, to imagine

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Speaker 2: it reminded me a little bit of the Afghan withdrawal,

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Speaker 2: when you just saw babies being thrown over barbed wire

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Speaker 2: fences and you just wonder what world you're living in.

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Speaker 2: And I think we're all we're just stunned and horrified

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because although you entitled the song okay, the

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Speaker 1: refrain is we are not okay. Why did you not

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Speaker 1: entitle the song We're not okay?

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Speaker 2: I probably should have, actually, but to me it was like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: we cannot stand on the sidelines anymore. Okay, we cannot

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Speaker 2: bury our heads in the sand anymore. It is a

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Speaker 2: time for choosing. That's the first lyric, and I think

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Speaker 2: that's really where we're at. Certainly, the song recognizes the

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Speaker 2: October seventh atrocities, but it's really not about that. It's

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Speaker 2: about the aftermath. It's about the moral collapse of so

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Speaker 2: many of our institutions. Literally, we saw within twenty four

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Speaker 2: hours thousands of people celebrating these atrocities in Times Square.

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Speaker 2: We quickly saw our colleges become this kind of harmas

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Speaker 2: central celebration factory. And then of course, in our media,

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Speaker 2: very quickly many of the media started picking up Hamas

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Speaker 2: talking points. And of course we have the Hamas Caucus

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Speaker 2: in the House of Representatives, where we literally have members

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Speaker 2: And I think that really inspired my fear and my disgust,

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Speaker 2: and that's really what the song's about.

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Speaker 1: Now you've said that you were inspired to write okay

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Speaker 1: by New York City Mayor Harrak Adam's October tenth speech

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Speaker 1: at a New York City rally. Well, what was it

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Speaker 1: about that speech that got to you?

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Speaker 2: Well, you know, it's interesting. You know, in the days

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Speaker 2: after October seventh, Mayor Adams did come out and he

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Speaker 2: gave a speech saying, you know, something's really wrong. We're

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Speaker 2: not all right, something's broken when we have people celebrating

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Speaker 2: the kidnapping of grandmothers, the rape of girls, the beheading

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Speaker 2: of babies in front of their parents, and people like

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Speaker 2: me said, wow, that's a brave speech. But it shouldn't

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Speaker 2: be a brave speech. It should be what everybody's saying.

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Speaker 2: Anybody who's saying, anybody who has a heart, anybody has

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Speaker 2: who are celebrating these atrocities. So yes, it did kind

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Speaker 2: of spur that thought of something's deeply wrong. But I

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Speaker 2: think you know, mister speaker, We've known for a long

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Speaker 2: time many of these institutions have become rots of anti Semitism, radicalism, wokeism,

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Speaker 2: oppressor versus a press. But I think if there's anything

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Speaker 2: positive is we see everybody's true colors. Now. We see

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Speaker 2: least our eyes are open and we can finally address

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Speaker 2: that we are losing the generation, our generation of kids.

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Speaker 2: Half half of our kids between eighteen twenty four side

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Speaker 2: with Palestine over Israel. Half of them or seventy percent

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Speaker 2: believe Israel's oppress or twenty percent believe the Holocaust never happened.

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Speaker 2: So we're losing a generation of children. And these are

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Speaker 2: not children in Gaza or Iran or the Middle East.

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Speaker 1: You've said that, I'm quoting you. The causes of the

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Speaker 1: moral decline on our campuses, and our culture and institut

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Speaker 1: have been growing and metastasizing for decades, and that the

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Speaker 1: inability to call out Hamas is not the root of

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Speaker 1: When do you think this decay started?

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Speaker 2: Well, look, it's been going on for decades. You've talked

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Speaker 2: It's whether you're perceived as a pressor or a press. See.

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Speaker 2: It infects all aspects of our culture. You know, it

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Speaker 2: makes me sad. I end the video with a Martin

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Speaker 2: of evil is complicity, And I think Martin Luther King's

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Speaker 2: vision has been lost. It's not about the content of

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Speaker 2: your character. It is about the color of your skin.

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Speaker 2: And that applies to all this mindset of these folks

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Speaker 2: And it doesn't matter if you kill destroy Mame. It's

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Speaker 2: really a battle for civilization versus those who want to

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Speaker 2: destroy it. You know, Barie Weis did say, you know,

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Speaker 2: the rise of anti Semitism is just the tip of

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Speaker 2: we've been kind of naive and afraid to confront this

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Speaker 1: You know, I have to say that I was surprised

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Speaker 1: I think it was at Harvard, virtually every student organization

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're accepting the beheading of babies. I find

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Speaker 2: And what makes it worse is it's the leaders. Many

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Speaker 2: and so yeah, I think it was stunning. Look when

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Speaker 2: needs context. That just shows how bastardized the system has become.

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Speaker 2: Even after that hearing, the board members of Harvard unanimously

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Speaker 2: deep the rod is. And look, you know, don't send

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Speaker 2: racist schools. So it's like, I think we really had

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Speaker 2: our eyes opened. Bill Ackman's been great. You know, there's

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Speaker 2: a new light. When Israel shared my song and their

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Speaker 2: what Jewish people face every day with death threats and vitriol,

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Speaker 2: Because I was at a screening of a documentary on

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Speaker 2: So I think so many Jews just feel abandoned, and

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Speaker 2: Very few artists have stood up and condemned Hamas. Virtually

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Speaker 2: the group who, after nine to eleven, every icon played

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Speaker 1: Why do you think they have so clearly failed morally

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Speaker 2: I wish I had a good answer for you. You know,

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Speaker 2: they don't want their concerts protested, and frankly that's true.

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Speaker 2: And response is, well, those are the same arguments people

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Speaker 2: You know, there's this culture war going on, so how

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Speaker 2: does it end? And you said when somebody wins. And

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Speaker 2: I mean, just look at the UN. The UN is

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Speaker 2: seeing the UN RWA, we're basically partners in hand with

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Speaker 2: today Alexei Navolney was killed in Russia. So Putin's embolden.

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Speaker 2: And I think the fecklessness of the West is a

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Speaker 2: big part of that. You know, we talked when Blood

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Speaker 2: first of many dominoes. Ukraine was the next. Is it

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Speaker 2: any surprise that Israel was the next? Taiwan will probably

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Speaker 2: be coming. And if we don't get some leadership and

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Speaker 2: some strength in our Western leaders I think we're losing.

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Speaker 2: As I said that the consequences could not be more

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Speaker 1: Given your willingness to stand publicly for a moral position

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Speaker 1: those on the left hate How much personal pushback do

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Speaker 2: You know, I don't get invited to those parties anyways.

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Speaker 2: It's been interesting. You know, when Blood in My Hands

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Speaker 2: think more folks supported it, and it's been interesting. I've

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Speaker 2: been very disappointed, frankly, with many on the right with

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Speaker 2: I certainly understand spending the money, the waste of the money.

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Speaker 2: ground seeing where's that money going? And I understand the

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Speaker 2: But I think so many on the right now kind

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Speaker 1: It's doubly difficult because you can't get across to these artists.

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Speaker 2: It's almost like a cult, you know, it's almost like

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Speaker 1: As I say, in the United Nations case, the Canadians

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Speaker 1: Well. And I think, as you point out, a part

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Speaker 1: One of the side effects or side influences. There's a

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Speaker 2: No, I'm glad you brought that up. I meant to

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Speaker 1: You've made clear that the proceeds of the song are

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Speaker 2: Not really, these songs don't make any money. They're songs.

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Speaker 2: million times because they're tough issues. But we raise little

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Speaker 2: One of the blessings of this song is I've met

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Speaker 1: So, as you know, the Senate just passed a bill

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Speaker 1: that the murder of Navali, and that's what it is,

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Speaker 1: will in fact increase the propensity to pass this bill,

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Speaker 1: because I think people will be reminded just how evil

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Speaker 2: Well. This is not the first time that I've had

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Speaker 2: But I hope the folks there take your wisdom and

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Speaker 1: Well. I hope they do too. And frankly, I don't

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Speaker 1: a margin this small. When you have a margin this small,

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Speaker 1: anything can screw it up, and it's a very hard

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Speaker 2: Commitment that means a lot. Thank you, sir, I appreciate

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Speaker 2: it's always a pleasure to be with you.

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