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Speaker 1: Hey man, he got he got bigger probles than meeting
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Speaker 1: is HECKM. Harrison in the house, Barry Church, Yes, former
Speaker 1: Cowboys safety in the house. Uh. Your Toledo Rockets? Are
Speaker 1: they playing Saturday or Friday in the MAC Championship? I
Speaker 1: believe it is Friday. Okay, even this Friday got looked
Speaker 1: at up, But I believe it's Friday. The Machi antime.
Speaker 1: The fact that you don't do you You don't know
Speaker 1: that though, man, I told you. It's a long story.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you're going right now. I ain't. I ain't
Speaker 1: messing with it. It is Saturday, Oh I thought it was.
Speaker 1: It is? It is? It is Saturday. So the championship
Speaker 1: game is Saturday at eleven a m on E SPN.
Speaker 1: The Toledo Rockets are going up against Ohio at ninety three. Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: so they are on a R on ESPN. ABC is
Speaker 1: going to air the Big twelve Championship game at eleven
Speaker 1: a m. A. Jerry World, I'm glad there we go.
Speaker 1: All right, Toledo t O M E d O. That
Speaker 1: may not dedicated like you are, Man, I'm a bought man. Look,
Speaker 1: I just figured you know, this man has been in
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame and all uh that they you
Speaker 1: know that that would be that would have been the
Speaker 1: bridge that they built, you know, the Bury Church that
Speaker 1: you know, kind of reconcile this whole thing. But somehow
Speaker 1: it didn't. You didn't. Oh man, it didn't cost me. Man,
Speaker 1: I should have been drafted. I should have been drafted.
Speaker 1: But think about still gotta still right here, wound. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna leave that alone. I'm gonna stay away from that.
Speaker 1: Your North Texas mean Green Uh they're playing in the
Speaker 1: Conversation Championship. Well you know that is all I believe.
Speaker 1: That's Friday. Okay, Yeah, putting got Central Florida. You're in
Speaker 1: the house. No, I'm gonna be here, Okay, what I'm
Speaker 1: gonna be Here'm I got a game to go to
Speaker 1: on Saturday. Okay, okay at a stayed okay for my
Speaker 1: other boy. Yeah, I'm going from my other boy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know what time it is? Hey, you in the
Speaker 1: Sugar Bowl no matter what. Man, Hey, it's all good, Radu.
Speaker 1: You don't leave me hanging the Sugar Bowl. You're going
Speaker 1: to Chugar bowa side. I want you to hit up
Speaker 1: Coachewan when you down a New Orles for the Sugar Bowl.
Speaker 1: With Case State, Case State Church, this thing works out great.
Speaker 1: If they win the Big Twelve championship, they will go
Speaker 1: represent the conference in the Sugar Bowl. If they lose
Speaker 1: a Big Towel championship, they still get to go represent
Speaker 1: the conference in the Sugar Bowl because TCU would be
Speaker 1: going to the College Football Playoffs, playing in either the
Speaker 1: Peach Bowl or the bowl game out in Arizona Fiesta.
Speaker 1: So these boys at Case State are rolling to New
Speaker 1: Orleans no matter what. That's good living right there. But
Speaker 1: but you can't roll the New Ones on an eldough.
Speaker 1: Oh like they're not gonna go. I mean you're gonna go,
Speaker 1: definitely gonna go. But it's just like you gotta be.
Speaker 1: You gotta spoil TCU. You gotta spoil that. You can't
Speaker 1: go to the sugar time it is. You know what
Speaker 1: it's all about, cantling Christ. The kids gonna be momping
Speaker 1: around in New Orleans. Man. Man, no, I don't want nobody.
Speaker 1: We didn't win the big don't give me that. Don't
Speaker 1: give it that gum bowl. I don't going to Burp Street.
Speaker 1: I gotta say in my hotel the whole time. You
Speaker 1: know what, we're going to be a new year, New Year,
Speaker 1: twenty twenty three, about to win this game. No stop,
Speaker 1: stop and stop and stop by the way I new
Speaker 1: we scrugs, um wait wait what about Penbrook? What that
Speaker 1: got going on? We fired the coach. I've been I've
Speaker 1: been on the coaching search, okay, giving me names when
Speaker 1: like dude, sisters had had a couple of guys caught
Speaker 1: called the Fritz Potter lines like guy some African American
Speaker 1: people who talked to here. So I'm trying to help
Speaker 1: with the coaching search here and uh you know, there
Speaker 1: we go newly shrugs. Is Hollard has its hired as
Speaker 1: the new head coach. No, no, no, no no, you you
Speaker 1: wouldn't go down that route. They was like, we need
Speaker 1: heyb to coach ever ever, never ever, know what, No,
Speaker 1: there is a number I couldn't not there nothing about coaching.
Speaker 1: You know. I couldn't deal with like Kelvin Joseph. You
Speaker 1: know we're gonna jump outside on you know, we line
Speaker 1: up a special team, you jumping outside. I couldn't handle that, scrugs.
Speaker 1: We're gonna give you, uh seventy million over seven years
Speaker 1: not to coach. I got his whole family at the podium,
Speaker 1: this opportunity, like port Mike McCarthy, you know, after the
Speaker 1: packer lost, shill hit the podium and he's trying to
Speaker 1: explain Jalen Tolbert not you know, he was out here defenditive,
Speaker 1: he said. He talked to him like, bro, Mike, you know,
Speaker 1: dudes all side and right right right. You know, I
Speaker 1: just wouldn't. I couldn't handle it, man. So I couldn't
Speaker 1: handle these things. Man, I would be I'd just be
Speaker 1: inappropriate all day long as as a head coach. So no, no,
Speaker 1: couldn't do it. And you got your life. You got
Speaker 1: your life in other people's hands. And the other thing
Speaker 1: you guys noticed because you guys have both played college football,
Speaker 1: um and bare he played the pros. The coaches pretty
Speaker 1: or do a pretty good job of having you thoroughly prepared.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, and so you've told people what to
Speaker 1: do and next thing, you know, all right, they don't
Speaker 1: do what you said. But some coaches, man, they get
Speaker 1: to a world this should be easy. Should It ain't
Speaker 1: easy to cover these wide receivers. It ain't easy to
Speaker 1: cover these tight ends. Coach, I told you were man
Speaker 1: and man stay outside leverage. It ain't that easy when
Speaker 1: Kelsey's hitting you with seven moves to stay on the
Speaker 1: outside leverage, like sub coaches got to realize, like that,
Speaker 1: Come on, now, we understand how the x is and
Speaker 1: olds work, but you actually got to be in the
Speaker 1: But you don't imagine being in a dark room Phil
Speaker 1: Suddy with that little laser light with NEWI this is you,
Speaker 1: This is you, right, take it back, take it back,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on the clicker in his head and
Speaker 1: oh god, the last place in the world I want
Speaker 1: to be like that guy from Twitter. Yeah, here's Joseph.
Speaker 1: Here's one more time. We all know it's a simple
Speaker 1: pa T but no, here's Joseph. Oh you know, yes.
Speaker 1: I told yeah, you got you can get bad about
Speaker 1: I would be on people all day. Lol. No, I
Speaker 1: would not be. It would be I never forget. Coach
Speaker 1: Levitt asked me in a meeting, man, just bad tapes, Harrison,
Speaker 1: what you make on your SAT. It's like seven hundred
Speaker 1: no one that we can't get it. That's where either
Speaker 1: Scott don't lie game bro. You can't lie your way
Speaker 1: out of that. With dude and the stuff I could
Speaker 1: have had on Jalen if I was coaching. Here's swipe,
Speaker 1: he run into the quarterback. He's swiped. That's where the
Speaker 1: coach turned around and say, look at this. Hold on,
Speaker 1: hold on, hold on, y'all. See that's you be the
Speaker 1: worst here it is here. It is a Mari Road game.
Speaker 1: Knew we weren't go getting. Let's look at this, they say,
Speaker 1: when your boy was like this, here's carts that pass away.
Speaker 1: Can look at all of you guys here. Put him on,
Speaker 1: put him in the promo. Yeah no, I couldn't. I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I could, I couldn't do it. Would I would be
Speaker 1: super slow. Look at this. Let's samgovern hold on everybody,
Speaker 1: here's my govern holding was good for that too. That
Speaker 1: Garret vision on sunthing. Man, you had the whole team
Speaker 1: in there after pract after after a game, and he
Speaker 1: would pick out ten plays. You would just please don't
Speaker 1: be on them ten play And if you were, did
Speaker 1: you know going in you you knew, you knew exactly
Speaker 1: what plays like. Man, if they catch me on this play,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be bad. So you knew gonna play like
Speaker 1: that's gonna make it the only hope you had if
Speaker 1: you won the game, if you had bad tape and
Speaker 1: you lost, You think about that all night when you
Speaker 1: get to the facility going through weights. Then when you
Speaker 1: get to that room, you know you're gonna be on there.
Speaker 1: You know you're gonna be on Garret vision. Man. It
Speaker 1: was And of course the worst question every coach asks
Speaker 1: you when you know you messed up? What were you thinking? Why?
Speaker 1: Why tell me? Why? Why? Why tell me why? I'll
Speaker 1: tell you why. This man was because I got no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no answer. Good right. But and the
Speaker 1: one you never want to say, Well, I thought, don't
Speaker 1: ever say thoughts. You guys know, don't ever tell the guy.
Speaker 1: I thought, Oh see, you thought, that's the problem. You're thinking. No,
Speaker 1: how WoT you think I couldn't coach? Man, I couldn't.
Speaker 1: I couldn't coach. So today I get a phone call
Speaker 1: from somebody over at the NBC since the Cowboys have
Speaker 1: the Colts game this weekend, and they said to me,
Speaker 1: knew it, what does this Cowboys defense need to become great? Wow? Now,
Speaker 1: before I tell you what I said, I figure i'll
Speaker 1: bring it to the crew. I'm gonna start with you. Heck,
Speaker 1: what does this team need the defense become great? The defense? Man,
Speaker 1: I struggle with that question because I think they have
Speaker 1: all the inner workings of a great defense. And when
Speaker 1: I think great defense, I think ninety one Eagles. I
Speaker 1: think UH with Jerome Brown and White. Um, I think
Speaker 1: the Still Curtain. I think the two thousand Baltimore Ravens. Um,
Speaker 1: I think the New York Giants when they want Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I'm thinking about and you start talking about
Speaker 1: those names and the guys that you had up front.
Speaker 1: To me, you you have everything at the at the edge,
Speaker 1: you have everything at the cornerback position. I think you
Speaker 1: even have it at the safety position. When you talk
Speaker 1: about JK and what he's doing, I think the only
Speaker 1: missing piece is a guy up front. That's the only
Speaker 1: thing that I can think of. You don't have a
Speaker 1: Warren Sap, you don't have a Sarah Goosa. You don't
Speaker 1: have you know, you don't have that one guy upfront
Speaker 1: that you could say he's and and I struggle with
Speaker 1: that because I think of Dicky Zula. I think a
Speaker 1: lot of these guys they fit the mold they're getting there.
Speaker 1: I just don't think that they are when we think
Speaker 1: dominant and when we think those great defenses, I don't
Speaker 1: think that you put those guys in that same vein. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I'm with you as far as this defense being
Speaker 1: as close as perfect as you can be. I mean,
Speaker 1: obviously they're not perfect. Obviously they're not the two thousand
Speaker 1: Ravens or the O two bucks or anything like that.
Speaker 1: But these guys they got playmakers on each level. You
Speaker 1: talk about the defensive line, the way they're able to
Speaker 1: get after the quarterback. They've gotten better in stopping the run.
Speaker 1: You look at that secondary Russian cover works together. You
Speaker 1: got Digs, you got Brown sometimes Brown, you know, he
Speaker 1: gives up some plays here and there, but overall, I
Speaker 1: think he's an extremely solid corner. And you've mentioned the
Speaker 1: safeties you've got two guys that can play in the
Speaker 1: box extremely well. They can blitz when you talk about
Speaker 1: Wilson and Jay Kang, and you got the ultimate, you know,
Speaker 1: middle of the field safety in Hooker who makes sure
Speaker 1: everything's kept in front of the defense. So they're extremely
Speaker 1: you know, extremely good. I would say they are extremely good,
Speaker 1: almost great defense. I just think maybe the one thing,
Speaker 1: if anything, I can put my finger two is maybe
Speaker 1: having a playmaker on that second level, that playmaker on
Speaker 1: that line level. Early in his career, Lve, you know,
Speaker 1: his rookie year, he was that playmaking guy. We've seen
Speaker 1: him scooping and scorn coming off of sacks, forcing fumbles,
Speaker 1: getting interceptions. We've seen that, y'all. We talk about the
Speaker 1: Ravens they had Ray Lewis, you talk about the Buccaneers,
Speaker 1: they had Derek Brooks out there. So I just think
Speaker 1: maybe in our linebacker corps solid, it's extremely solid, but
Speaker 1: just maybe having a playmaking linebacker on that second level
Speaker 1: can put this defense over the top. But rise of
Speaker 1: right now, I mean, I'm extremely happy with this defense
Speaker 1: is doing so far this season and their strength of
Speaker 1: this team, so they don't need much. Maybe a playmaker
Speaker 1: on the second level. Okay, here's what I said. You guys,
Speaker 1: tell me how you feel about it. I said, um,
Speaker 1: you cannot be a great defense when you were twenty
Speaker 1: fourth in the NFL against the run and allowing teams
Speaker 1: running for one hundred thirty two yards against you. A
Speaker 1: great defense is not going to allow that tap. They're
Speaker 1: gonna shut that down. And that was my that was
Speaker 1: my response. I had to think about it for a minie.
Speaker 1: I was like, and that's what I came back to us, like,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, that's it. That's it. When you
Speaker 1: look at statistically they are number one against the past
Speaker 1: in the National Football League total defense their seventh, but
Speaker 1: twenty four. That stood out to me when you think
Speaker 1: one hundred thirty two yards, that's a lot of that's
Speaker 1: that's that's folks running on the man. That's that's that's
Speaker 1: some stuff. So so to me, that was what I
Speaker 1: That's what I said to the person NBC Scots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and I think this this Dan Quinn has probably he's
Speaker 1: not preaching this, but it's a bend but don't break
Speaker 1: style when it comes down to the run. We we
Speaker 1: talked earlier in the season about the points that they
Speaker 1: were allowing. I think teams were not even getting past
Speaker 1: fifteen points on this defense. It wasn't until you know,
Speaker 1: a certain point, maybe Green Bay. Uh the season are
Speaker 1: the Eagles that they you know, we had a team
Speaker 1: score over twenty points on them. Look, I just think
Speaker 1: that this is a passing league and teams are concentrating
Speaker 1: so much on getting sacks and stopping those big plays
Speaker 1: that now, as I've said, you know, the revolution of
Speaker 1: the running game, teams are starting to go now towards
Speaker 1: running the ball at these smaller defensive linemen or defensive
Speaker 1: linemen that are not trying to gobble up blocks and
Speaker 1: you know, you know alignment play alignment assignment football, and
Speaker 1: that's how you stop the run. So I think they
Speaker 1: had have There's been a complete thought process change as
Speaker 1: it relates to this defense mid season. That's that's the development,
Speaker 1: because they want to be elite, and that's the one
Speaker 1: thing like that is the thorn in their side. Knowing
Speaker 1: that they're twenty fourth in the run one thirty two
Speaker 1: per you know, that's that's not gonna get it done,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna keep you out of that that company
Speaker 1: of being a legue, especially when you're going against better teams.
Speaker 1: I mean, we've all seen it. You know, we going
Speaker 1: into last year, going into the playoffs. You know it
Speaker 1: was the penalties that kind of came back and hit
Speaker 1: us in the end. This rushing attack when you get
Speaker 1: into those NFC playoffs you're talking about you know Seattle
Speaker 1: who can run the football extremely well, the forty nine ers,
Speaker 1: they can run the football extremely well. Look at Philadelphia.
Speaker 1: That's all they do, it is running the football. So
Speaker 1: to me, I mean, you're you're gonna go against teams,
Speaker 1: better teams when you get into the playoffs, and that's
Speaker 1: something that you gotta, you know, stitch together and make
Speaker 1: sure you get it together because at the end it
Speaker 1: might hit you in the butt. If if we get
Speaker 1: to the playoffs and teams were still able to run
Speaker 1: the football on you. How about these numbers for the
Speaker 1: eighty six Giants fifty nine sacks as a team, intercepted
Speaker 1: twenty four passes um. In the playoffs, they gave up
Speaker 1: twenty three points total total like all rounds, and in
Speaker 1: the Super Bowl they won thirty nine to twenty over Denver,
Speaker 1: which means only played two games and dudes, onlys go
Speaker 1: at three points against them. Lords Taylor twenty and a
Speaker 1: half sacks, Leonard Marshall twelve sacks, Carl Banks six and
Speaker 1: a half sax. I was guys getting apped for people
Speaker 1: right there. That was I was. I was five sacks
Speaker 1: and the eighty six Giants comes back on the heels
Speaker 1: of how great that eighty five Bears team was. It
Speaker 1: wasn't the eighty six Bears even better statistically? Just crazy.
Speaker 1: They were good. But you know, and this is just
Speaker 1: my field. What when you when you try to when
Speaker 1: when you when you try repeat, you know the whole
Speaker 1: season in eighty five, you win in eighty five, you
Speaker 1: know you're everybody loves you. You're not paying for nothing.
Speaker 1: I mean it's tough to come back the next year
Speaker 1: when you went in a town like that, I think
Speaker 1: sixty three since they won the Super Bowl. I mean
Speaker 1: that's hard to have that say, like a rocky three
Speaker 1: minute they had an eye tiger baby they had it
Speaker 1: was a full tig tiger had to get up and hunting. Nobody.
Speaker 1: Everybody was bringing the food. You know what you want
Speaker 1: to want to pay his book? You gotta hunt nothing, man.
Speaker 1: It's hard. It's hard, man. You know. That was a
Speaker 1: dominant defense Richard Dent, Wilbell, Marshall. Well, they had some
Speaker 1: they had some dogs on that defense. But when you
Speaker 1: switch over and you talk about the Giants, that was
Speaker 1: a different league back then, Like you had running backs
Speaker 1: that random ball carried, Like the stat line was forty
Speaker 1: carries for a hundred And that's why these guys are
Speaker 1: walking around like man that guys can't walk because he
Speaker 1: carried the ball forty thirty five times per game. That
Speaker 1: was the stat line. I mean, try Troy Aikman couldn't
Speaker 1: have imagined throwing the ball as much as Dak Prescott
Speaker 1: has to throw the ball, you know, so a different league,
Speaker 1: different time, and so for those numbers to be that
Speaker 1: just shows their domination attention to the detail of stopping
Speaker 1: the run, because that's all there was. You know. It's
Speaker 1: not like you didn't have guys like Jerry world Rice
Speaker 1: out there and guys that were just completely balling, but
Speaker 1: the run. Stopping the run was the number one thing
Speaker 1: for a defense that bears defense that year in eighty five,
Speaker 1: Richard Dent seventeen sacks, Otis Wilson ten and a half sacks,
Speaker 1: Team Michael eight sacks, Leslie Fraser's six interceptions. Dave Duerson
Speaker 1: five's Gary Fensick had five intersects, and they came and
Speaker 1: played the Cowboys that year and it was forty four nothing. Um,
Speaker 1: So yeah, man, Mike singletary boy. And then the Steelers
Speaker 1: defense surrendered a grand total of twenty eight points through
Speaker 1: nine games, had a nine and nose stretch which included
Speaker 1: five shutouts and two contests with three points allowed. Um,
Speaker 1: you'll never see that. It's seventy six steal. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: that'll never happen. Man. You know in a league where
Speaker 1: when it changed all the rules, that ain't that right there,
Speaker 1: that right there might be be that might be more
Speaker 1: secure than that Dolphins seventy two uh season where they
Speaker 1: were undefeated. Because there's there's no way the twenty eight
Speaker 1: points to nine games, nine games, that's ridiculous. That's stupid
Speaker 1: offense at home, which in five shutouts in the nine okay,
Speaker 1: five shots in the nine and it's two of the contest.
Speaker 1: We only gave you a few goals, so then you
Speaker 1: score touchdown. That's crazy, man, that's absolutely crazy. Um. And
Speaker 1: this this week, once again, here the Cowboys facing off
Speaker 1: against a Colts team where you know what they can
Speaker 1: run the ball um they're averaging one hundred and eighteen
Speaker 1: point three yards. That's seventeenth in the league. Jonathan Taylor
Speaker 1: not as good, but that offensive line not not as
Speaker 1: good as but the Cowboys, in my opinion, and we've
Speaker 1: spoken about it right here on this podcast, gotta go
Speaker 1: ahead and put together some better performances and stopping the
Speaker 1: run and obviously some of the numbers they've had here
Speaker 1: earlier in the in the year. You know, you think
Speaker 1: about that the Lions ran on the Green Bay ran
Speaker 1: or Chicago, Chicago and two or thirty nine yards. Got
Speaker 1: to cut that down. So it's one more opportunity to
Speaker 1: do that. Let's take a break. I want you to
Speaker 1: think of something positive about what Mike McCarthy's done these
Speaker 1: heating Okay, because I was also asked this question something positive? Yeah, yeah, support,
Speaker 1: I want something positive about what Mike McCarthy's doing. I say,
Speaker 1: you know that gave them something that's like, you can't
Speaker 1: really bring this to the show. We ask the guys
Speaker 1: here since I got put on a hot seat a
Speaker 1: little bit here answering questions. But the Cowboy, would you
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Speaker 1: All right. I need you to come up with something
Speaker 1: positive about Mike McCarthy because I was asked that from
Speaker 1: my NBC sports calls or getting ready for Sunday and
Speaker 1: Night Football on NBC between the Colts and the Cowboys.
Speaker 1: I had a few. You had a few, A few, man,
Speaker 1: you should have gave me one. So I want to
Speaker 1: know for you guys, what would you up said? See
Speaker 1: see how you do it right? There? Many Chris Beam
Speaker 1: gave us. Chris Beam gave us game management, right, we
Speaker 1: had that. Um so I won't take that one. Oh god,
Speaker 1: man just said dan Quinn do what he do. I mean,
Speaker 1: they're not the way okay, um man, Zeke that's it.
Speaker 1: The way that he handled Zeke's of the mcl sprain. Okay,
Speaker 1: it was different from last year where they allowed him
Speaker 1: to continue to play. Realizing that you have Tony Pollard
Speaker 1: and you can give him that air time and let
Speaker 1: Zeke hill. I think it's going to be the saving
Speaker 1: grace for this Russian game. Okay, I like that one. Um.
Speaker 1: I know we talked about the game management, which he's
Speaker 1: done a great job of. But to me, I'm giving
Speaker 1: him credit for getting the most out of his players,
Speaker 1: each and every one of his players. Like I understand.
Speaker 1: You know, some people say, oh, it's Kelly Moore scheme
Speaker 1: or it's Dan Quinn doing this, but he's the head
Speaker 1: coach and he put this thing together, so I'm giving
Speaker 1: him the credit. Forward. If we look at it, what
Speaker 1: has happened when you lose your quarterback one after the
Speaker 1: first week. For five weeks, you're going out there with
Speaker 1: Cooper Rush. Cooper Rush. Where I was on this show
Speaker 1: and I mean, hey, I was completely wrong, but I
Speaker 1: was on this show saying it's a rat. It's done.
Speaker 1: They ain't got nothing. It is done. They're gonna end
Speaker 1: up losing the start the draft shows a rat. But
Speaker 1: when he was able to do with that offense and
Speaker 1: Taylor fitted to where Cooper Russian go out there and
Speaker 1: get the most of his abilities, to where people were
Speaker 1: talking about I don't know sho we stick with Cooper
Speaker 1: Rush from the rusting the season. To me, he's getting
Speaker 1: the most out of each and every one of his players.
Speaker 1: The players respect him as a coach, that respect what
Speaker 1: he's doing out there, and he's giving these guys the
Speaker 1: rest he's he's This team never looks tired out there
Speaker 1: when they go out on the field. They never looked like,
Speaker 1: oh man, we had too long of a practice, like
Speaker 1: we're starting slow, or we're getting drug in the second half.
Speaker 1: You never see any of that. The players are responding
Speaker 1: to whatever he's doing on the practice field, and I'm
Speaker 1: giving him full credit for it. So to me, it's
Speaker 1: getting the most out of your players, because not a
Speaker 1: lot of coaches can do that. You know, we've seen
Speaker 1: when he was here with Mike Nolan, how that how
Speaker 1: that defense looked in he got those same players almost,
Speaker 1: So you gotta give him some credit where credit is due. Well, gentlemen,
Speaker 1: I answered the question, and I said, we expect the
Speaker 1: Cowboys winness game right. Oh, yeah, it'll be over a
Speaker 1: half time, so that will give them ten wins, correct, yep? Ten?
Speaker 1: Wait nine? I wasn't ninety nine and three or eight? Yeah? Nine,
Speaker 1: give them nine wins. They'll give them nine wins. Are
Speaker 1: you feel good about a tenth win? Yes? Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: right right now? Wins? Right? Oh yeah, that's two. So
Speaker 1: here and I said, here's the guy that's gonna win
Speaker 1: ten games, minimum of ten games. They hadn't had a
Speaker 1: coach win back to back ten win games since Barry
Speaker 1: Switch MHM back in the ninety eight season. Ninety six.
Speaker 1: She's looking at here, man, So Dallas Cowboys nineteen ninety six,
Speaker 1: ten and six, Dallas Cowboys nineteen ninety five, twelve and
Speaker 1: four hadn't seen that a minute. I said, he's on
Speaker 1: his way to do it. Man, I mentioned Cooper Rush.
Speaker 1: I said, how many guys after the first game as
Speaker 1: bad as the Cowboys looking which they didn't score a touchdown.
Speaker 1: You lose your starting quarterback and everybody writes you off.
Speaker 1: And Cooper Rush goals four and one and the only
Speaker 1: game he lost to was the Philadelphia Eagles. Yeah. Then
Speaker 1: I said, he's played without us starting quarterback, one games,
Speaker 1: lost games from your starting tight end. Hadn't had you
Speaker 1: started left tackle all season long? In the first game
Speaker 1: he started, left guard gets hurt. He misses some time
Speaker 1: out there. You're start running back, it's hurt, missus time.
Speaker 1: You got Mali Cooker when you start safeties, he's missing time.
Speaker 1: Jay Ron curse you started saying missing time back that
Speaker 1: I said, the amount of guys who have missed time
Speaker 1: and younger players that you need to step up. I
Speaker 1: was like, Tyler Smith did not play a snap at
Speaker 1: left tackle at all during training camp. I was worried.
Speaker 1: I said, we left training camp and I'm like, this
Speaker 1: kicking situation is bad. Field goal kicker has been fantastic.
Speaker 1: Special teams has been an area in which they can
Speaker 1: hinue to improve. You go out here, you get a
Speaker 1: Commante Turpin and Turpin and makes a difference out there.
Speaker 1: I said so in my opinion, watching Mike McCarthy develop
Speaker 1: a lot of young players, have guys go out there
Speaker 1: and get the job done. I mean, people, forget Matt
Speaker 1: Farniac was out who starting some games on the offensive
Speaker 1: line for this team. You never looked and said, oh,
Speaker 1: that young players killing us. They said, they just kept playing.
Speaker 1: Then I said, as much credit as dan Quinn gets
Speaker 1: for being as good as he is. Mike McCarthy was
Speaker 1: the one who brought dan Quinn in here. Ye. Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy also admitted that when Jerry was out here, you know,
Speaker 1: giving him, giving him head coach money to stay and
Speaker 1: mentioning him like he could be the next head coach
Speaker 1: as he as a younger guy, he would have been.
Speaker 1: You know, only I don't want this guy right, He's like, no,
Speaker 1: I want this guy here to be eagleless in the
Speaker 1: process and to be a steadying force that he hasn't
Speaker 1: changed at all. So I was I was giving those
Speaker 1: platitudes about Mike McCarthy because I said, I think he
Speaker 1: deserved I said, oh, by the way, I guess what
Speaker 1: we were all saying, Sean Payton gonna take job. Okay,
Speaker 1: this man was written off, and what has he done.
Speaker 1: He's proven that he's a good football coach who can
Speaker 1: handle a lot of situations. Or another situation that I mean,
Speaker 1: remember how panic the whole bunch of people were not
Speaker 1: me about, Oh we don't have Randy Gregory, Oh what
Speaker 1: are we gonna do any other side Dwarrence Armstrong eight sacks,
Speaker 1: career high, Dante Filer five sacks. Sam Williams, the rookie
Speaker 1: from Old Miss until he figures out what to really
Speaker 1: do in the National Full League. Um, you know that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff we don't we don't talk about. For
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, the Cowboys are a good team. You could argue,
Speaker 1: the second best team in the NFC. No worse than third, okay,
Speaker 1: and no worse than third with all the differences, all
Speaker 1: the different lines they've had to throw out there, all
Speaker 1: the different people they've had to ask him play. Oh
Speaker 1: and I said, oh, by the way, you know they
Speaker 1: lost the starting is a slot corner golf for year.
Speaker 1: I said, that's that's credit to a man who's built
Speaker 1: a culture. Um, and and they've improved and got young guys, Buddy,
Speaker 1: the rookie Titans and all of us enjoyed watching the
Speaker 1: whack themole on thanks To Day for the Rickie tight ends.
Speaker 1: I said, that's Mike McCarthy is a coach. That's Lunda
Speaker 1: Wells being able to be empowered as a coach and
Speaker 1: developing guys. And we don't talk about that enough because
Speaker 1: I just think it's underappreciate. You know, we beat Mike
Speaker 1: McCarthy up and losses when he's winning, and you see
Speaker 1: the way this thing is going here. Um, I don't
Speaker 1: think we talk enough about it. There is a culture
Speaker 1: here and it's and it's pretty good. Yeah, that's what
Speaker 1: I said. No, I love everything that you just said.
Speaker 1: And just to take it further, he doesn't get enough
Speaker 1: recognition with the national media. Uh. If any of these
Speaker 1: other guys that we had discussed that have turned their
Speaker 1: teams around had lost their starting quarterback and won the
Speaker 1: amount of games that he has, they'd be they would
Speaker 1: be talking about him in the same breath as Coach
Speaker 1: of the Year. He doesn't get any of that. Um.
Speaker 1: Some of the knee jerk reactions that people wanted him
Speaker 1: to have about, you know, potentially firing Philbin, you know,
Speaker 1: he didn't react to that. He doubled down on making
Speaker 1: sure that he kept building and look at how coach
Speaker 1: Philbin has been able to develop this offensive line. There's
Speaker 1: been so much about special teams that we talked about again,
Speaker 1: special teams now being one of the strong suits, one
Speaker 1: of the stronger parts of this team. So look, I
Speaker 1: am one of those people that you know, I come
Speaker 1: from a family where my uncle was a coach. You know,
Speaker 1: I hate to hear those things about guys losing their livelihoods.
Speaker 1: But at the same time, when you start on a
Speaker 1: coach talking at the beginning of year, like the way
Speaker 1: that they did with all the Sean Payton talk, I
Speaker 1: thought that that was unfair. They can't come back now
Speaker 1: and clean it up and say, man, put all of
Speaker 1: that to bed. Now he still has hovering over his head.
Speaker 1: What do you do in the first round of the playoffs.
Speaker 1: Let's just keep it real, all right. He still has
Speaker 1: it there. He still has a job to do, and
Speaker 1: this team has to perform for him in the playoffs
Speaker 1: because if not, those same people will return with the
Speaker 1: same narrative. They just waiting in the wing. That's all
Speaker 1: they're doing, you know. But but for everything that you
Speaker 1: just said about his his h the job that he's
Speaker 1: done coaching man. I think it speaks to him. It
Speaker 1: also speaks to his experience in Green Bay and what's
Speaker 1: made him a better coach here in Dallas. So you
Speaker 1: think if he doesn't for some reason get past the
Speaker 1: first round this year, do you think that that criticism
Speaker 1: that will come is it warranted he goes another year
Speaker 1: out of the wild card. It's context. Yeah, it really
Speaker 1: is all about the context. Do you get beat on
Speaker 1: the last second field goal? Do you get beat on
Speaker 1: a on a clear pass interference call that goes the
Speaker 1: other way for the other team and they walk out
Speaker 1: there kicking field goal and go, I mean, how does
Speaker 1: it happen that that? That's going to be the whole thing.
Speaker 1: If you if you're blown out, that's going to be
Speaker 1: one thing. But if you lose a close game and
Speaker 1: Jerry wants to absolve you of it, I e. Jason
Speaker 1: Garrett losing to Mike McCarthy and the Packers at home
Speaker 1: is the number one seed, you know, that's that's That's
Speaker 1: what it's the context. So either way he keeps, he
Speaker 1: keeps going next year, even if blowout or closed game,
Speaker 1: first round exit. I'm saying first round. He's good to
Speaker 1: go for the next year, no matter what. If I'm
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, here's what I know, I'll be coaching somewhere
Speaker 1: in the National Football League no matter where. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna get it out. Okay. So so Jerry wants
Speaker 1: to go in a different direction. Mike McCarthy will land
Speaker 1: somewhere else. And I mean, hey, Cleveland, you snatched this
Speaker 1: guy up. You say, if you're the charge, you snatched
Speaker 1: this guy Denver, we why is it snatched this guy up?
Speaker 1: I mean so, so he's going to be fine no
Speaker 1: matter what. But we just know context matters when when
Speaker 1: you're talking about this, because unfortunately for Mike McCarthy, David Moore,
Speaker 1: than Dallas More News, really it broke this down from
Speaker 1: me a training camp. He is having to carry the
Speaker 1: sins of all these other coaches who couldn't do anything
Speaker 1: in terms of winning getting to a super Bowl. So
Speaker 1: you know, you got hey, Mike, you didn't do it,
Speaker 1: but we're you were carrying the fact that Jason Garrett
Speaker 1: didn't do it, that Wade Phillips didn't do it, that
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Bill Parcels didn't do it. Nobody was
Speaker 1: expecting it from Campo though, um chan Dailey couldn't do it. Look, no, no, no, no, no,
Speaker 1: I got it. Remember when you know they were they
Speaker 1: were way over the cash cut Troy. I mean, you know,
Speaker 1: he got Quissy Carter and Tony Bangs and you don't
Speaker 1: expected to come over. He was hoping. Got to the
Speaker 1: point to Jerry was just hoping to try. He was
Speaker 1: just hiring Bill Parcells to get a stadium. Bill, guy,
Speaker 1: I just leave a new stadium. Guys. So they weren't
Speaker 1: trying to win. But you know, those other coaches were
Speaker 1: expected to take the Cowboys back to the promised land.
Speaker 1: Um so, so you know, take Campo out of there.
Speaker 1: The other ones were given the kinds of resources and
Speaker 1: opportunities and expectations to do something. So I think with
Speaker 1: the talent on his roster, Barry, he's expected to win
Speaker 1: that first man, we bought everything in here for you
Speaker 1: to be successful. We've given it to you. This team
Speaker 1: is built to win right now. There's nothing future about
Speaker 1: what's happening right now. This is this is a right
Speaker 1: now kind of deal. They were. But yeah, but heck,
Speaker 1: I look at Kansas City like this is what me
Speaker 1: Why I don't. Coach. You couldn't have told me they
Speaker 1: weren't about to go out there and take on Cincinnati
Speaker 1: and not go to Super Bowl. Man, I'd have been
Speaker 1: to fool out there. Hey, baby, were booking tickets, were
Speaker 1: about showing up to LA. I mean, I thought for
Speaker 1: sure they will win that game. They win that game. Yeah,
Speaker 1: completely underestimated Joe Burrow and that Cincinnati remembered right right
Speaker 1: before the half set of kicking the field goal Patrick Mahomes,
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, coach, I got I got this sure,
Speaker 1: you know, And he created turnover. And those are the
Speaker 1: kind of end game decisions that Mike McCarthy was making
Speaker 1: last year that people were pointing to to say, that's
Speaker 1: gonna get you can if you do that again, you know,
Speaker 1: the fake punts and all of those things that that
Speaker 1: he was like, he had to kind of curtail some
Speaker 1: of those mistakes that he was making end game so
Speaker 1: that those whispers can't go away. But this this roster,
Speaker 1: and you would know. I mean that's why I turn
Speaker 1: you and I asked you, like, is this roster good
Speaker 1: enough to get to in the NFC Championship when you
Speaker 1: because everybody knows AFC dog it's it's gonna be who
Speaker 1: you it's gonna be real. And now it's gonna be
Speaker 1: real the AC. But in the NFC, if you look
Speaker 1: at every team, there are no top teams right now,
Speaker 1: there are no top teams. And so that's what Dallas
Speaker 1: has the most hope that you put in, Like this
Speaker 1: team can make a run and they can get past
Speaker 1: the first round. If they don't get past the first round,
Speaker 1: that's where I think you're gonna hear them terms. Last
Speaker 1: year's playoffs showed us we don't know nobody. Nobody thoughts
Speaker 1: Cincinnati and the Rams would be sitting up in here,
Speaker 1: Uh you know doing that one more time? Nobody did nobody?
Speaker 1: Did you know? Third? You know it's a second straight
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Speaker 1: own building. It won't happen this year. Guarantee that. So
Speaker 1: that that that is what it is. Hey, we gotta
Speaker 1: take our next break. So I'm out Friday because I
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Speaker 1: get out here, you know, shut down the run, get
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Speaker 1: give me the Bills to win. I'm going to go
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Speaker 1: M twenty one, you got heck, you know I'm gonna
Speaker 1: Belichick Belichick at home. Um, it's gonna be close. I'm
Speaker 1: gonna go M twenty four, twenty four, twenty something like that. Man,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be It's gonna be close. But I'm gonna
Speaker 1: I think that. I think that Patriots defense is going
Speaker 1: to give Josh Allen some work. They can't turn it over.
Speaker 1: You mess, you fool around and find out some work
Speaker 1: with Belichick. Okay, what you got, Yeah, I'm gonna heck
Speaker 1: on this one. I'm gonna go Patriots twenty seven Bills
Speaker 1: twenty one for like Bill Belichick will kind of keep
Speaker 1: Josh Allen under wraps. And then with that run game,
Speaker 1: the Patriots got man like they're gonna drain the clock.
Speaker 1: I call it a day. I told you about that
Speaker 1: Pixie does Hey you go, Hey, you go, that Pixy
Speaker 1: dust is coming early game. You last time we saw
Speaker 1: the Patriots, they played a very very gallant game against
Speaker 1: the Vikings Um on a Thursday night. UM that was
Speaker 1: at twenty It lost thirty three twenty six Thanksgiving night.
Speaker 1: So this is their first game since Thanksgiving. But they
Speaker 1: they fought them pretty well up there. Yeah, they needed
Speaker 1: some saving and in Minnesota, so they played. They've played
Speaker 1: some close football games all year long. When you start
Speaker 1: to look at the look at the team, they're hanging
Speaker 1: around the playoff in the playoffs right now. But you know,
Speaker 1: outside of that Bears beating which they got dismantled thirty
Speaker 1: three to fourteen, they pretty much been in most games
Speaker 1: that they've been in this year. Guys. I got a
Speaker 1: question for y'all and just answer this that how you
Speaker 1: feel it. This team in the playoff house. Does will
Speaker 1: home field advantage or home field matter at all? For
Speaker 1: the guests for the Cowboys? Will that? Will it matter?
Speaker 1: I think it does? You think it does? You think
Speaker 1: they are a team that needs to have a game
Speaker 1: at home or do you think they can go on
Speaker 1: the road. They have the capabilities to win on the
Speaker 1: road because they got a good run game, they got
Speaker 1: a good defense. But I think they want to make
Speaker 1: a long stretch of things. They're gonna need at least
Speaker 1: one maybe two at the crib, you know, I think
Speaker 1: so that means you got. That means you have to
Speaker 1: win on Christmas Eve, right, you got you gotta gotta
Speaker 1: do it and hope you can catch the eels. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but you're thinking new it. Maybe maybe getting out of
Speaker 1: the friendly confines of AT and T Statum will do
Speaker 1: them some good. Maybe you'll do them some good. And
Speaker 1: you look, last year, you got San Francisco in your house.
Speaker 1: You think you want it there, and it didn't. It
Speaker 1: didn't work. So maybe you go on the road and
Speaker 1: your mindset changes. I don't, I don't know. I can't
Speaker 1: call it. I really can't. I mean, you think about
Speaker 1: all the false start penalties and we're talk about the
Speaker 1: other day they've got more penalties at home they do
Speaker 1: on the road. That's true, But twitter losses were away
Speaker 1: and one of them was at you know, home to
Speaker 1: the Bucks the first game. But I don't know, man,
Speaker 1: I think I think home home for the helm Field
Speaker 1: would definitely do them just and their second to New
Speaker 1: Orleans and scoring at home. I'm since twenty sixteen, so
Speaker 1: the home could they score at home? Track? What did
Speaker 1: you say? The best game they played this year is oh, Minnesota, Minnesota,
Speaker 1: But I mean, come on, okay, where was that? Come on? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're right, yes, I was there in Green Bay. That
Speaker 1: was a great crowd, great crowd. Was most watch game
Speaker 1: of the year. And uh they lost that game though.
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but but you're in the fourth quarter up fourteen.
Speaker 1: You you did that to you. Okay, you did that
Speaker 1: to you as much as Green you know, as much
Speaker 1: as Aaron Rodgers out did But you did that to you. Um,
Speaker 1: you put them on the road in a playoff atmosphere.
Speaker 1: I'm not I'm not worried for this football team. They
Speaker 1: didn't go play wasn't like they got blown out I mean,
Speaker 1: they've got up fourteen points in fourth quarter and they
Speaker 1: just stopped playing. They they stopped executing here. So I
Speaker 1: don't think the Cowboys having to go on the road
Speaker 1: for the playoffs is going to be something that you
Speaker 1: just say, oh oh, oh my gosh. Uh, they can't.
Speaker 1: They're not ready here. I like what you're thinking. So
Speaker 1: if you got to go okay, and you think right now,
Speaker 1: so Minnesota, go win that division? Okay, already one Minnesota,
Speaker 1: if you got to go back there, yeah, um, was
Speaker 1: it Seattle right now? Yet Tampa Bay? They can go
Speaker 1: to Seattle, t anybody, and nobody's scared about going to
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay right about down? Oh no, man, playoffs, man,
Speaker 1: I just don't want to see this team outdoors lost
Speaker 1: that they just lost the left tackling. I'm telling you
Speaker 1: I would not be that. That doesn't that's that does not.
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about where they go, whether it's home
Speaker 1: or away. I just worry about the execution of doing
Speaker 1: your job to win the football game. So, philadelp if
Speaker 1: you have to play Philadelpe, let's greatest case scenario, you
Speaker 1: have to play Philadelphia in January. For let's I don't
Speaker 1: know if it would even come out this way for
Speaker 1: the NFC at the end, for the NFC Championship game.
Speaker 1: I like their chances. I like this. Don't like that
Speaker 1: this team has the defense. This defense can go anywhere
Speaker 1: and play. That's true, but we all know they're one
Speaker 1: Achilles heel. Is it cold weather, is it outdoors? That's
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. It's about It's about running football, okay,
Speaker 1: whether you are, about whether you are home or ray away.
Speaker 1: If you're able to run the cowboy run on the Cowboys,
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to beat them. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter to me where they play. They got to figure
Speaker 1: out how to stop the run against whoever they match
Speaker 1: up against in the playoffs. Hey, it's all the time
Speaker 1: we have tomorrow. Heck Ma Harrison very Church gonna handle
Speaker 1: things and I'm in. Then we got special guests tomorrow.
Speaker 1: Hey man, you guys roll out the guests when I leave.
Speaker 1: I'm here doing the empty chair. But okay, okay, I
Speaker 1: mean we gotta make up for the space. Man. You
Speaker 1: mean Tad Press got the other day? Hey man, I
Speaker 1: missed you. Yeah, man, I didn't know he was coming in, Tad,
Speaker 1: So okay, but you had the Zeke's Daddy in I'll
Speaker 1: bring it in act. Drew Pearson got the next. I mean, really,
Speaker 1: you brand, I mean what y'all go tell stories and
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