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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to another episode of Snake's Territory, part

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Speaker 1: of the Foults Territory Network. Be sure to like this video.

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Speaker 1: your podcasts. I am Jesse Friedman alongside the one and

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Speaker 1: only Jack Summers, and we do not go live often

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Speaker 1: in the off season, Jack, but this felt fitting that

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Speaker 1: we do this for this moment as the Diamondbacks they

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Speaker 1: continue their trend of bringing back familiar faces. Zach Gallon

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Speaker 1: is back on a one year, twenty two point zero

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Speaker 1: two five million dollar deal, the exact same amount of

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Speaker 1: money that he would have gotten if he accepted the

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Speaker 1: qualifying offer from the Diamondbacks a few months back. Jack,

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Speaker 1: your initial thoughts on this move for the d Backs?

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Speaker 2: Baseball is a humbling sport, and first and foremost I

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Speaker 2: feel humbled, because, you know, since whenever the beginning of

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Speaker 2: the season, talking about Zach Gallon and his walk year

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Speaker 2: and what's he going to get and what's going to

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Speaker 2: be the value, and whether or not they'll get the

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Speaker 2: qualifying offer after the rough start, and then whether or

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Speaker 2: not they should give it to him, and then it

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Speaker 2: became a foregune conclusion they would and then would he

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Speaker 2: would the Dbacks get a high draft pick, And everything's

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Speaker 2: come back full circle to essentially him getting the qualifying

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Speaker 2: offer value in a in a in a contract. And

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Speaker 2: I just nobody predicted things to go the way they went.

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Speaker 2: And we're pretty well informed, and we're pretty insightful, you know,

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Speaker 2: And we are I mean, I took pretty you know,

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Speaker 2: of course humbling for Zach, right, I mean, you know,

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Speaker 2: this has been had to have been a tough pill

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Speaker 2: for him to swallow, that his market deteriorated to this

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Speaker 2: degree and so on all things. Baseball is just a

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Speaker 2: humbling sport. That's the primary thought that's going through my

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I absolutely feel you there. Yeah, I mean this

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Speaker 1: is somewhat surprising for us, there's certainly no question about that.

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Speaker 1: But I think this is also surprising for Zach Gallen

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Speaker 1: in his camp. I mean, you don't reject the qualifying

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Speaker 1: that things are going to end up. There are deferrals

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Speaker 1: in this contract we'll get into at a little bit more.

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Speaker 1: The net present value in all those details. But there

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Speaker 1: are deferrals in this deal, which means even though the

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Speaker 1: sticker price is twenty two point zero two five the

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Speaker 1: exact same numbers that qualifying offer, it's actually it's actually

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Speaker 1: less money when you consider the time value of money.

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Speaker 1: Zach Gallen would have been better off financially if he

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Speaker 1: had just accepted the qualifying offer several months ago. And

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Speaker 1: I remember down the stretch, Jack, when Zach really started

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Speaker 1: to pitch well, he finished the season strong. As we

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Speaker 1: all right in free agency. I really did. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I didn't think it was going to be one hundred

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Speaker 1: the track record that Zach Gallen has is not all

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Speaker 1: I think you and I see where those teams are

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Speaker 1: it was, I see where you're coming from. I mean,

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Speaker 1: the trend has been in the wrong direction for the

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Speaker 1: not all that long ago. He's basically been a league

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Speaker 2: It's notable, I guess. John Hammond reported that there were

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Speaker 2: multi year offers out there that he rejected, or at

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Speaker 2: know that very much. You know, personal stuff can play

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Speaker 2: for Zach clearly, you know he said over and over

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that goinging forward, he's probably going to be

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Speaker 2: So you know, all those things factor in is like, Okay,

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Speaker 2: well screwed. If I'm going to do a one year deal,

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Speaker 2: I'm definitely going back to Arizona. At one point I thought, well,

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Speaker 2: if he's only going to do a one year deal,

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Speaker 2: if there was a team out there that maybe appeared

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Speaker 2: that might be an enticement away from here. But ultimately,

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Speaker 2: you know, he probably has confidence that this team will

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Speaker 2: he believes in himself and he's betting on himself. That's

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Speaker 1: Part of the narrative that is compelling to me is

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Speaker 1: like Zach Gallen's career has been trending in the wrong

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Speaker 1: direction the past couple of years, as we said, but

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Speaker 1: this deal, to me, says Zach Gallen does not think

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Speaker 1: the Dbacks are at fault for that, Like he does

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Speaker 1: not view this organization as being, you know, some kind

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Speaker 1: of place where pitchers just can't succeed. If you did

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Speaker 1: think that this Diamondbacks organization was a place where pitchers

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Speaker 1: be evidence for that. I mean, this organization from a

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Speaker 1: and I would understand if somebody felt that way, but

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Speaker 1: clearly that's not where Zach Gollans stands. He would not

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Speaker 1: to me that it's come to this. I mean, once again,

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Speaker 1: moments that Ken Kendrick lives for. When when a player's

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Speaker 1: ken Kendrick would open up the wallet a little more

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Speaker 1: like you'd rather have allocated this money in a different way.

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Speaker 1: But at the very least you have to respect that

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Speaker 1: Ken Kendrick is opportunistic and he's shown that separal off

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Speaker 2: Now. Yeah, you know, it's funny. I've been One other

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Speaker 2: thought I was having is like I wonder how this

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Speaker 2: not that would have precluded them at that point from

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Speaker 1: You know, I think it would have. Honestly, I think

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Speaker 2: I mean it just a lot of questions there about

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Speaker 2: how all that would have played out. But you know,

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Speaker 2: this came down to the wire. You know. I guess

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Speaker 2: as we move into the contract portion of the discussion,

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Speaker 2: little more clarity as to why this may have happened

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Speaker 2: in the sequence that.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's one year, twenty two point zero two

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Speaker 1: the deferrals. There's some conflicting reports out there. As of

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Speaker 1: right now, it seems most reporters are talking about Gallon

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Speaker 1: receiving two point eight million dollars. I know this is

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Speaker 1: what Gambo has said. It's two point eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: the rest of the money is paid out as normal.

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Speaker 1: At least that's what we think this contract is. So

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Speaker 1: we certainly talked Jack about the dbacks needing to get

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Speaker 1: creative in order to make this happen. You don't often

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Speaker 1: coming back to the d Backs. As you said before,

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Speaker 1: he had multiple he had offers for you know, multi

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Speaker 2: Right, So keep in mind with deferrals, the amount deferred

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Speaker 2: people forget that with deferrals, it's not like they get

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Speaker 2: They have to put it. I mean, those accounts are

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Speaker 2: if the dbacs are deferring fourteen million out of twenty

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Speaker 2: one of twenty twenty seven, and then however, many years

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Speaker 2: out and however, the money is then doled out two

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Speaker 2: point eight million per year over five year period starting

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Speaker 2: I guess in twenty thirty one or whatever it is.

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Speaker 2: You know, then that's that's where they'll decrease the net

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Speaker 2: present value. I think you did see a few different

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Speaker 2: this is, but it's probably going to be what eighteen

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Speaker 2: eighteen and a half million jesse. Is that correct?

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Speaker 1: That's that's what I estimated it to be. We also

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Speaker 1: got this tweet from John Becker, who does great work

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Speaker 1: at Fangrafts working on their roster resource stuff that we

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Speaker 1: reference all the time. He estimated just under eighteen point

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Speaker 1: seventy five million dollars for luxury tax purposes. So that

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Speaker 1: sounds that sounds pretty reasonable to me, somewhere in the

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Speaker 1: you know, four to five million dollar range under the

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Speaker 1: sticker price of twenty.

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Speaker 2: Two listeners of our last well, remember we kind of

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Speaker 2: joked a little bit about Chris Bassett money, yes, because

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Speaker 2: see Chris Bassett, the thirty seven year old signed for

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Speaker 2: just over eighteen million, and you know, we were wondering, like,

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Speaker 2: does the age factor for Bassett offset the qualifying offer

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Speaker 2: factor for Zach Gallon and the apparently it did because

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Speaker 2: net present value they got the same deal they effectedly.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, assuming that that's right, I know Gambo tweeted out

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Speaker 1: a different number, and Nate Cleveland is mentioning fourteen million

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Speaker 1: deferred over three years in the chat. I know that's

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Speaker 1: Who will be the Diamondbacks opening day starter? The option

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Speaker 1: to me. Thirty seven point nine percent said Zach Gallen,

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Speaker 1: So so get in on the poll, everybody, let us

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Speaker 1: I mean, we were talking about it earlier this week,

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Speaker 2: You know, now that I'm thinking about it, this probably

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Speaker 2: a little cover.

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Speaker 1: Here from a pr standpoint, I'm sure, yeah, that would

435
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Speaker 1: be that would be nice for him. Well, of course,

436
00:23:11,480 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: there are other angles to get into here as well.

437
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Speaker 1: We referenced Ryan Nelson earlier, and I think we should

438
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Speaker 1: have the conversation of is Ryan Nelson gonna wind up

439
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Speaker 1: in the bullpen again? I don't think so. I don't

440
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Speaker 1: think that's a serious concern that people should have, but

441
00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:28,639
Speaker 1: somebody theoretically could could wind up in the bullpen, and

442
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Speaker 1: we definitely will we'll touch on that before we get there, though.

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Speaker 1: We would really appreciate it if all of you who

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Speaker 1: doing those things. And now Jack, we'll dive into the

457
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Speaker 1: inevitable question of who gets bumped from the starting rotation

458
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Speaker 1: if anyone. I guess the rooster in the chat just

459
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Speaker 1: floated the idea of a six man rotation. I don't

460
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Speaker 1: expect that that will be the case, but I guess

461
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Speaker 1: it is possible. But of course there are six guys

462
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Speaker 1: that we have here. Jack, it's basically the same five

463
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Speaker 1: as last year with Gallen, Kelly, e Rod Fott, Nelson,

464
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Speaker 1: and then plus Michael Soroka, who was the first move

465
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Speaker 1: the Diamondbacks made this offseason several months back. Certainly sounded

466
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Speaker 1: like they wanted to use him in the starting rotation.

467
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Speaker 1: But at least my starting point in this conversation Jack

468
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Speaker 1: is if everyone stays healthy through spring training, which I

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Speaker 1: will say is a big if. I don't know if

470
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Speaker 1: that is a given, but if everyone stays healthy through

471
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Speaker 1: spring train, it feels like Michael Soroka is probably had

472
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Speaker 1: to be the bullpen in a swingman swingman sort of role.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, unless they decide they want Ryan Nelson to be

474
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Speaker 2: the closer.

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Speaker 1: That would be something. I mean, They're not really gonna

476
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Speaker 1: do that though, right I have trust. I mean, there's

477
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Speaker 1: there's a case that, like I think Ryan Nelson could

478
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Speaker 1: be a pretty good closer. I mean, the Diamondbacks before

479
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Speaker 1: the Corbyn Burns injury, like they were ready to move

480
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Speaker 1: him into the bullpen, and I don't know if they

481
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Speaker 1: were gonna have him closed immediately, but I think he

482
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Speaker 1: could have grown into that role. But even if Ryan

483
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Speaker 1: Nelson could be a good closer, and for as much

484
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Speaker 1: as the Diamondbacks need that, I still maintain that. I mean,

485
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Speaker 1: if a guy can give you a three five ERA

486
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Speaker 1: for thirty starts, like you would rather have that than

487
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Speaker 1: a good closer. Even if Ryan Nelson could be could

488
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Speaker 1: be good in that role as well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, look Mike has said over and over again,

490
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Speaker 2: and Jesse and I were talking about this as I

491
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Speaker 2: was driving home. You know, although last year, basically they

492
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Speaker 2: went into the season with their top six guys all intact.

493
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Speaker 2: We won't include Jordan Montgomery in the top six. I

494
00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:13,320
Speaker 2: think he was seventh or eighth anyway, and was slated

495
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Speaker 2: to be traded had he gotten through spring training healthy.

496
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Speaker 2: For whatever financial relief they could have gotten. Jordan Montgomery

497
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Speaker 2: wasn't going to be a diamondback even if he was

498
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Speaker 2: fully healthy. He wasn't definitely not going to be in

499
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Speaker 2: the rotation. Anything you heard otherwise was just to keep

500
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Speaker 2: leverage so that they could, you know, maybe get a

501
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Speaker 2: decent trade. So, you know, they ended up going with

502
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Speaker 2: Ryan Nelson to the bullpen last year. After all, they

503
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Speaker 2: had just extended Brandon Fought and everybody else was getting

504
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Speaker 2: paid a lot more and there was nobody else to move.

505
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Speaker 2: So as much as I hated and didn't like that

506
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Speaker 2: at all, I understood why that happened. This situation is

507
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Speaker 2: a little bit different. I mean, obviously, you know, look

508
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Speaker 2: when they signed Michael Soroka, they signed him to be

509
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Speaker 2: a starting pitcher. The incentives in his deal are tied

510
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Speaker 2: to you know, I think starts and innings or whatever,

511
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Speaker 2: and so he's not going to get there. You know,

512
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Speaker 2: if he's pitching out the bullpen, he's not going to

513
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Speaker 2: earn those incentives. So he's not going to be a

514
00:27:10,000 --> 00:27:12,399
Speaker 2: happy camper if he's the one cent to the bullpen.

515
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Speaker 2: But it certainly seems logical that he would be the

516
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Speaker 2: one sent I know a lot of people are enamored

517
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Speaker 2: with the six man rotation idea, but that's not going

518
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Speaker 2: to happen. We talked about this a lot last year

519
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Speaker 2: with Mike. You know, the combination of off days sometimes,

520
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Speaker 2: you know, it's not like with a six man rotation

521
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Speaker 2: doesn't mean that guys are automatically on you know, five

522
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Speaker 2: days rest instead of four and all of that. It

523
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Speaker 2: can turn out to be six or seven or even

524
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Speaker 2: sometimes eight days. If you ever actually take a spreadsheet

525
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Speaker 2: and the schedule and try to work out a six

526
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Speaker 2: man rotation where you don't skip anybody, it gets really

527
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Speaker 2: messy and pretty quick. So you know, they're not going

528
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Speaker 2: to do a six man rotation. They don't want to

529
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Speaker 2: take these guys out of their routines and The only

530
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Speaker 2: time they'll quote unquote have a six man rotation is

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Speaker 2: sometimes midseason, when guys are tired and everybody needs a

532
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Speaker 2: few extra days. Sure, they'll insert somebody in there and say, yeah,

533
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Speaker 2: we're going with a six man rotation, and then two

534
00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:16,919
Speaker 2: weeks later there's no such thing. So you know, just

535
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Speaker 2: it's not gonna happen. There's no six man rotation in

536
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Speaker 2: the only way you're going to have a six man

537
00:28:22,400 --> 00:28:26,239
Speaker 2: rotation in MLB at this point is if teams just say,

538
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:28,199
Speaker 2: all right, screw it. You know, starting pitchers go three

539
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Speaker 2: four innings and it's to the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we may say, sorry to interrupt, I will say

541
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Speaker 1: just just real quick that there are certain guys where,

542
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Speaker 1: if you sign them from Japan, I think teams maybe

543
00:28:41,400 --> 00:28:44,800
Speaker 1: feel more comfortable with a six man rotation just to

544
00:28:44,840 --> 00:28:47,160
Speaker 1: give those guys the extra day that they're used to.

545
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Speaker 1: We've seen that at times. But yeah, by and large,

546
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Speaker 1: I totally agree with you. It's just not something we

547
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Speaker 1: see in baseball, and it's particularly not something we've really

548
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Speaker 1: ever seen the Diamondbacks do you know, maybe one or

549
00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:02,520
Speaker 1: two turns through the rotation at times, but it's not

550
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Speaker 1: something that we really see the Diamondbacks do ever beyond that.

551
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Speaker 2: And I mean they flat out said that they wouldn't.

552
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,760
Speaker 2: You know, they looked into it, they studied it last year,

553
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:13,640
Speaker 2: and they had plenty of good reason to do so,

554
00:29:14,720 --> 00:29:17,920
Speaker 2: you know, considering all that, almost everybody, the top six

555
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:21,680
Speaker 2: guys got through spring training healthy and they didn't do it.

556
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Speaker 2: So if they weren't going to do it, then they're

557
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:23,720
Speaker 2: not going to do it now.

558
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Speaker 1: I in general, when it comes to the question of

559
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Speaker 1: who gets bumped, and I recognize that Ryan Nelson has

560
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Speaker 1: been the odd man out a couple of times now,

561
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Speaker 1: and it's hard for people to forget that. I acknowledge that,

562
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:40,200
Speaker 1: But I think in general it is true. We say

563
00:29:40,200 --> 00:29:41,840
Speaker 1: it so often, but it is true that you can

564
00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: never have too much starting pitching, particularly with this Diamondbacks

565
00:29:45,240 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: team that's really struggled in that area. And it's just

566
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Speaker 1: not a question while well, I don't know exactly how

567
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Speaker 1: it will work out, it's not a question that I

568
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:57,640
Speaker 1: would be overly worried about if I was a Diamondbacks fan.

569
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Speaker 1: I mean, if if they have six darting pitchers who

570
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Speaker 1: are healthy and effective at the same time, like I mean,

571
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Speaker 1: that's like a thought that's very hard to imagine. Frankly,

572
00:30:08,520 --> 00:30:11,080
Speaker 1: I mean, with the struggles that Brandon Fott had last year,

573
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Speaker 1: with the struggles that Wardo Rodriguez has had, you know,

574
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Speaker 1: the injuries that some of these guys have had, Merrill

575
00:30:16,760 --> 00:30:20,600
Speaker 1: Kelly aging, Edwardo Rodriguez aging a little bit, with an

576
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Speaker 1: injury track record. We've talked about Michael Soroka and his

577
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Speaker 1: injury track record, like, I don't think you're getting two

578
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,200
Speaker 1: hundred innings from him this year. And I know Corbyn

579
00:30:29,240 --> 00:30:31,840
Speaker 1: Burns is another factor in this, like you expect to

580
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Speaker 1: get him back later in the year. But I just

581
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Speaker 1: wouldn't be worried if I was a fan of this

582
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Speaker 1: team about like, oh no, now we have too many

583
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Speaker 1: starting pitchers. It just does not tend to be a

584
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Speaker 1: real issue. These these things have a way of working

585
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Speaker 1: themselves out. And as much as I hate to say it,

586
00:30:47,640 --> 00:30:49,560
Speaker 1: I mean it could be as simple as someone goes

587
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 1: down in spring training. You hate to see that, You

588
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 1: certainly would hate to see that happen, but you know,

589
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:58,600
Speaker 1: you look at the past several years of spring training,

590
00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 1: like last year, Jordan Montgomery goes down. The year before,

591
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:05,360
Speaker 1: Merril Kelly and e Rod go down, Like, we've been

592
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: doing this long enough to know it's not all that

593
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,720
Speaker 1: likely to make it through spring training with all your guys,

594
00:31:11,560 --> 00:31:14,360
Speaker 1: and if somehow you do, like that's great and you'll

595
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:16,400
Speaker 1: kind of figure it out from there.

596
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Speaker 2: For sure. Hey, by the way, Ryan, don't feel bad

597
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 2: I missed at Rinjifo signed with the Brewers as well.

598
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, apparently that is a thing which I don't really

599
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: understand what the Brewers are doing with the Caleb Durbin trade.

600
00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:36,600
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't really ever understand what the Brewers

601
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:38,440
Speaker 1: are doing, and yet they win ninety games a year

602
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:40,960
Speaker 1: after year. So I'm sort of done. I'm sort of

603
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: done questioning them at this point. Although yeah, I didn't

604
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 1: really understand the Luis rang GIFA move. But one other

605
00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:52,560
Speaker 1: thought on this Gallon situation, Jack, is it time to

606
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Speaker 1: just like stop having payroll conversations at the beginning of

607
00:31:57,400 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: the off season, because it feels like, I mean, I

608
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:02,880
Speaker 1: know this move when you factor in the deferrals, it's

609
00:32:02,920 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 1: not like the Dbacks are going forty million over what

610
00:32:05,400 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: we expected them to spend or anything like that. But

611
00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: I still think we're probably we're probably above the range

612
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 1: that we thought this team would end up in or

613
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: at least I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong with that, Jack,

614
00:32:17,720 --> 00:32:19,200
Speaker 1: Do you think it's fair to say that at this

615
00:32:19,280 --> 00:32:21,880
Speaker 1: point that it's that their payroll is a little higher

616
00:32:22,360 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 1: than we thought it would be after this move.

617
00:32:24,640 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: Oh, sure, it's a little higher. I mean, look, you

618
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 2: know there was always a well maybe they only cut

619
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Speaker 2: it ten million. There was that, you know, what's reducing payroll? Mean,

620
00:32:34,640 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 2: you know, and in this case they've cut it about

621
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Speaker 2: ten million at the end of the day. I mean,

622
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Speaker 2: it depends on how you want to count it, right,

623
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Speaker 2: are you counting eight million he's getting this year or

624
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: are you counting all twenty two? Like when I do

625
00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:51,040
Speaker 2: my charts, even though we have ten million deferred out

626
00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: from corbyn Burns contract, I show the thirty one point seven.

627
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Speaker 2: So you know, it just really depends on how you

628
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Speaker 2: want to line it out. I think we still need

629
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Speaker 2: to track it. I think it's still relevant. We just

630
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Speaker 2: need to always understand that come the end of the

631
00:33:07,040 --> 00:33:10,240
Speaker 2: off season, can made, you know, write an extra check

632
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Speaker 2: that we just didn't see coming. He's consistently done that,

633
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:16,760
Speaker 2: and again we go back to that conversation like why

634
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Speaker 2: not just do that at the beginning, so that Mike

635
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Speaker 2: has a little bit clearer picture of how he can

636
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Speaker 2: best allocate his resources. You know, I don't know where

637
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 2: he was at this year. I do know that, you know,

638
00:33:30,200 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 2: last year, had they not signed Corbyn Burns, he was

639
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Speaker 2: probably going to sign a fairly expensive reliever. That that's

640
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Speaker 2: that was my understanding, you know, That's what I the

641
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Speaker 2: scuttle butt that I heard from within. I don't know

642
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Speaker 2: which one, probably one of the ones that got.

643
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Speaker 1: Hurt, but you know, or was just terrible one one

644
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Speaker 1: of the two.

645
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Speaker 2: You know, I think he was going to invest in

646
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Speaker 2: a higher ticket reliever last year, and then the Corbyn

647
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Speaker 2: Burns signing came came to fruition, and so that went

648
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Speaker 2: by the wayside. You know, I don't know if again

649
00:34:03,880 --> 00:34:06,400
Speaker 2: we go back to sequences, right, you know, if you

650
00:34:06,600 --> 00:34:10,399
Speaker 2: look at the sequence of events here, I don't think

651
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 2: any of it was predictable. If Zach had accepted the

652
00:34:13,280 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: qualifying offer right out of the gate, things would have

653
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: looked different, for.

654
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: Sure, on that note of the sequence of events. And

655
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: I know we talked about Ken Kendrick earlier and you know,

656
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 1: kind of tip of the cap to him in a

657
00:34:25,760 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: situation like this, is the DBACS kind of surprised some people.

658
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 1: Yet again, there is this element that we referenced earlier

659
00:34:33,560 --> 00:34:37,200
Speaker 1: of you know, could Ken Kendrick maybe come out at

660
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,800
Speaker 1: the beginning of the off season and instead of waiting

661
00:34:39,960 --> 00:34:44,439
Speaker 1: for situations like this where a player's market falls there's

662
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:48,200
Speaker 1: some special circumstance. You know what if he kind of

663
00:34:48,239 --> 00:34:50,719
Speaker 1: changed his approach and was a little more aggressive on

664
00:34:50,760 --> 00:34:53,160
Speaker 1: the front end and gave Mike Caysen a little bit

665
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:56,560
Speaker 1: more money to spend. I mean, again, I don't want

666
00:34:56,600 --> 00:34:59,080
Speaker 1: to be like critical of Ken Kendrick in a situation

667
00:34:59,280 --> 00:35:01,720
Speaker 1: like this, but you could at least imagine a world

668
00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:05,680
Speaker 1: where he he shifts and operates that way instead. And

669
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Speaker 1: I guess I'm curious, Jack, like, could the Diamondbacks be

670
00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,160
Speaker 1: a much better team in that world? Like if they

671
00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,719
Speaker 1: knew they had this money from the beginning, could they

672
00:35:15,719 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: have played their pieces in a different way to wind

673
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: up with a much better roster. I don't know if

674
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,520
Speaker 1: I would say a much better roster, But maybe there's

675
00:35:24,560 --> 00:35:28,239
Speaker 1: a world where you actually get a closer and you know,

676
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,200
Speaker 1: you feel a little better about your your bullpen situation.

677
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:34,799
Speaker 2: Oh, I'm absolutely Look, if you know what you have

678
00:35:34,920 --> 00:35:36,600
Speaker 2: to spend. I mean, you know, when it comes to

679
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:43,680
Speaker 2: financial and resource allocation, the more accurate information you have upfront,

680
00:35:43,680 --> 00:35:44,920
Speaker 2: the better job you're going to be able to do.

681
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,399
Speaker 2: It just goes without saying, Yeah, I'm sure that Mike

682
00:35:48,440 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 2: would prefer that, But at the same time, he's not

683
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 2: going to complain about it because at the end of

684
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:55,680
Speaker 2: the day, Ken has spent enough money to put a

685
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:56,920
Speaker 2: winning team on the field.

686
00:35:58,320 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And Mike Kyson has said that year after year

687
00:36:02,719 --> 00:36:06,480
Speaker 1: after year. He's never really been one to, you know,

688
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:10,319
Speaker 1: talk about payroll publicly as a limitation, which, granted, from

689
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,440
Speaker 1: a pr standpoint, like you can't really do that as

690
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: a GM, you know, you can't really put your your

691
00:36:15,760 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 1: owner on blast even if you wanted to. But I

692
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:22,719
Speaker 1: genuinely think that's like where Mike Kyson stands is the Diamondbacks.

693
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,080
Speaker 1: They're not spending as much as other teams, certainly not

694
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 1: the Dodgers, which have been a big topic around the

695
00:36:28,040 --> 00:36:31,480
Speaker 1: game here in recent days. But yeah, they're I mean,

696
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: they're spending, They're they're holding their own when it comes

697
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:36,560
Speaker 1: to to spending and you know, being able to put

698
00:36:36,560 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 1: a decent product on the field.

699
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. So last year, you know, I had them about

700
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,719
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety five give or take opening day,

701
00:36:46,280 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 2: and they were at one hundred and seventy two as

702
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 2: of just a little bit ago, and then they signed

703
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 2: Paul Seawald, bring up to about one hundred and seventy three,

704
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 2: you know, just to give or take. So if you

705
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 2: just take the eight million that Zack skidding this year,

706
00:37:01,440 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 2: then that's that's one hundred and eighty one. If you

707
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 2: want to count the full net present value of eighteen,

708
00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,839
Speaker 2: then it's right up around on one ninety one ninety one,

709
00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,040
Speaker 2: so just barely under last year. So just depends on

710
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,640
Speaker 2: how you want to count it. You know, they're the

711
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 2: ones that said that they were going to spend less,

712
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 2: and you know, they looks like they spent a little

713
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 2: bit less, but at most they reduced it only about

714
00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:29,120
Speaker 2: ten million, and they're not done yet.

715
00:37:29,960 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. I was just going to say, we got a

716
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:36,720
Speaker 1: tweet from Gambo earlier today. Is a great, great segue.

717
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,879
Speaker 1: A tweet from Gambo earlier today that said the Diamondbacks

718
00:37:39,880 --> 00:37:43,680
Speaker 1: are working towards adding a utility player to replace recently

719
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,719
Speaker 1: traded Blaze Alexander, with that player most likely coming via

720
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:53,080
Speaker 1: trade and using minor league depth, and we you and

721
00:37:53,160 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 1: I think have been following Gambo's reporting long enough to

722
00:37:56,440 --> 00:38:00,200
Speaker 1: know that when he speaks in these terms, it you

723
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:03,440
Speaker 1: feel very confident, something like I feel quite confident something

724
00:38:03,520 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: is going to happen when Gambo uses, you know, using

725
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: their their minor league depth. It was maybe a little

726
00:38:11,320 --> 00:38:15,080
Speaker 1: easier earlier to figure out who the d Backs were

727
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 1: going to trade. We sort of were able to do

728
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,360
Speaker 1: that with Blaize Alexander compared to Tim Tawa or Jordan Lawler.

729
00:38:22,680 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 1: We had a sense they had some depth when it

730
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:28,560
Speaker 1: came to utility players, and so it felt like Blaze

731
00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,120
Speaker 1: Alexander was the trade candidate that made the most sense there.

732
00:38:32,160 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: But here Gambo is a little more vague in just

733
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,799
Speaker 1: his minor league depth. So my guess, if I had

734
00:38:37,840 --> 00:38:41,160
Speaker 1: to guess, was they're maybe willing to trade a pitcher.

735
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:45,280
Speaker 1: Not that the d Bacs have an excess of starting pitching,

736
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,080
Speaker 1: certainly not, but you feel a little better about your

737
00:38:48,080 --> 00:38:52,279
Speaker 1: starting pitching depth after getting Zach Gallen, and they do

738
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:55,839
Speaker 1: have more depth of young starters who are relatively close

739
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:58,640
Speaker 1: to the majors than they've had before. And not that

740
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:00,839
Speaker 1: you ever really want to deal with those guys, but

741
00:39:01,239 --> 00:39:04,319
Speaker 1: you got to give something to get something, and you

742
00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 1: can talk yourself into that being an area of depth

743
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: that they could trade from.

744
00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, you know, if you look in spring training camp,

745
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,560
Speaker 2: I mean, how many guys are there that are legit

746
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:20,600
Speaker 2: possibilities to play shortstop behind Heraldo Padomo Because you have

747
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:23,480
Speaker 2: to have a guy that's at least capable of playing

748
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:25,279
Speaker 2: a few games here and there. I mean Podomo, Yeah,

749
00:39:25,280 --> 00:39:27,440
Speaker 2: you played one hundred and sixty one games. Say you

750
00:39:27,520 --> 00:39:30,040
Speaker 2: can't count on that every year, and they really shouldn't

751
00:39:30,160 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 2: grind him into the ground quite that hard in my opinion.

752
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 2: So you know, you have Jordan Lawler can play shortstop,

753
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,360
Speaker 2: and you have Eldemar Vargus, who's not even on the

754
00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,720
Speaker 2: forty man roster play shortstop. I mean a few other guys,

755
00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 2: a couple other NRIs non roster invitees that can play

756
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,200
Speaker 2: a little shortstop too. But I would have to think

757
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:54,439
Speaker 2: that if they're trading for a utility player, it's got

758
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: to be somebody that they feel confident can play back

759
00:39:57,000 --> 00:40:00,040
Speaker 2: up shortstop. I mean, if it's not, then the and

760
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 2: I guess it's just Jordan is the guy, you know

761
00:40:03,200 --> 00:40:07,839
Speaker 2: to back up Pedomo and which case, Like, so are

762
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,400
Speaker 2: we really concentrating on putting him in center field? Like

763
00:40:10,640 --> 00:40:14,440
Speaker 2: it just seems like another recipe for confusion and not

764
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 2: putting Jordan in the best situation to succeed. So I

765
00:40:19,760 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 2: don't really want to see that. Like, I think that

766
00:40:22,560 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: if they want Jordan Lawler to play in the outfield,

767
00:40:25,040 --> 00:40:27,759
Speaker 2: then make him an outfielder. Let him focus on that.

768
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,520
Speaker 2: I know that they're going to split some time on

769
00:40:29,600 --> 00:40:32,600
Speaker 2: the dirt in spring training, but they said most of

770
00:40:32,600 --> 00:40:34,440
Speaker 2: his time would be in the outfield. Of course, if

771
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: he needs to step into the infield in an emergency situation,

772
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,560
Speaker 2: but he should not be the primary backup shortstop if

773
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 2: they want him to play center field, I mean, give

774
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: the guy a chance. Yeah, stop scrolling with him.

775
00:40:50,239 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: That's a fair point. I hadn't really thought of it

776
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:55,560
Speaker 1: that way. I kind of figured, like, hey, Perdomo can

777
00:40:55,640 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 1: start ninety five percent of games, and if you need

778
00:40:59,480 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 1: someone to just step in every once in a while,

779
00:41:01,880 --> 00:41:03,759
Speaker 1: Jordan Lawler could do it if he had to. But

780
00:41:04,560 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 1: you're right, like, if you're really wanting to invest in

781
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:10,120
Speaker 1: Jordan Lawler as an outfielder and make his life as

782
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,759
Speaker 1: simple as possible, there's a case to be made that

783
00:41:12,800 --> 00:41:15,359
Speaker 1: you should just kind of forget the shortstop thing and

784
00:41:15,440 --> 00:41:18,520
Speaker 1: make it more of an emergency situation than anything else,

785
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,399
Speaker 1: and go find you someone else can who can play

786
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:26,040
Speaker 1: that position. It's hard for me to know. The rooster says,

787
00:41:26,080 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: please don't trade Daniel Egan. My guess is this wouldn't

788
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: the d Bacs wouldn't go there. Again. Gambo used the

789
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: phrase minor league depth, which, yeah, I guess. I don't

790
00:41:36,960 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 1: know if that means like guys who are right on

791
00:41:38,840 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: the verge of the majors, or maybe he's talking about

792
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,560
Speaker 1: depth that at like the lower levels of the miners.

793
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,040
Speaker 1: So yeah, I would be pretty surprised if they traded

794
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:50,640
Speaker 1: a pitching prospect the caliber of Egan. But the they

795
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:53,279
Speaker 1: have a number of guys, including the guys they got

796
00:41:53,280 --> 00:41:56,759
Speaker 1: in the Merrill Kelly trade in in July, that you

797
00:41:56,800 --> 00:41:59,320
Speaker 1: know they have. They have some guys in that camp

798
00:41:59,360 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: who are who are close and that would have some

799
00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 1: value for other teams that that they could they could

800
00:42:04,560 --> 00:42:05,320
Speaker 1: maybe deal away.

801
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, so Alex down here at the bottom of the chat, No,

802
00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: Tommy Troy is not an option shortstop.

803
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, not anymore. It doesn't seem like they've been really

804
00:42:16,600 --> 00:42:22,560
Speaker 1: into that for for a little while now. Yeah, I

805
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:26,319
Speaker 1: guess another another storyline that that came out today. Jack

806
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: Gambo tweeted about Lordis Guriel Junior and the fact that

807
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:33,160
Speaker 1: he could spend significant time at d H, which is

808
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: something I hadn't I hadn't thought about too much, which

809
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: I mean, it makes sense, right, you're coming off a

810
00:42:39,080 --> 00:42:42,320
Speaker 1: pretty significant injury with with the a c L. Maybe

811
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 1: you want to just not have him be on his

812
00:42:44,480 --> 00:42:47,560
Speaker 1: feet all that often. And the DBAC certainly at d H,

813
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: I mean, they have they have questions there, right, We've

814
00:42:50,360 --> 00:42:53,440
Speaker 1: we've kind of made the assumption that Peven Smith maybe

815
00:42:53,520 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 1: would would get some time at at d H. Adrian

816
00:42:56,960 --> 00:43:01,399
Speaker 1: Delcasto's well, but certainly when it comes to facing left

817
00:43:01,440 --> 00:43:05,160
Speaker 1: handed pitching, Lordis Garyel Junior could could totally slide in

818
00:43:05,200 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: a DH. He's hit left these pretty well throughout his career,

819
00:43:08,560 --> 00:43:11,040
Speaker 1: and even in twenty twenty five as well, he had

820
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: left these. He had left these pretty well, even though

821
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:15,480
Speaker 1: it was kind of a kind of a down season

822
00:43:15,520 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 1: for him.

823
00:43:16,920 --> 00:43:18,799
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, it's funny. As you were talking, I

824
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 2: popped open my spreadsheet that I haven't gone back to

825
00:43:21,719 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 2: for a few weeks because I need to update it, obviously,

826
00:43:24,640 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: but I kind of track where I think the playing

827
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:31,000
Speaker 2: time is going to shake out. And I originally had

828
00:43:31,040 --> 00:43:34,880
Speaker 2: lordis starting about eighty seven games, actually getting starts in

829
00:43:34,920 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: the eighties. That doesn't include pinch hit opportunities and so

830
00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: forth like that. So, you know, based on the fact

831
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:43,920
Speaker 2: that he looks to be coming back earlier than I

832
00:43:43,960 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 2: had projected, I mean, I figured he would be out

833
00:43:46,680 --> 00:43:49,000
Speaker 2: the first two months of the season and come back

834
00:43:49,040 --> 00:43:52,120
Speaker 2: in June, you know, and things seem to be trending

835
00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:55,719
Speaker 2: for a mid or late April return. I mean, you know,

836
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:58,040
Speaker 2: he's like, I'm going to be ready opening day and

837
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:00,160
Speaker 2: Tori's like, you know, hold the phone here, guys know

838
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:03,120
Speaker 2: that's not going to happen. But you know, maybe he's

839
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,640
Speaker 2: back by May one the way things are trending for him.

840
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:10,880
Speaker 2: We'll see. But I had eighteen games at d H

841
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: amongst his eighty seven started, so I was already thinking that,

842
00:44:15,600 --> 00:44:18,279
Speaker 2: you know, a not insignificant number of starts for him

843
00:44:18,280 --> 00:44:21,480
Speaker 2: would be at d AH. Now, based on what Gambo's saying,

844
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: you know, it seems like that would be more of

845
00:44:24,160 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: like an early on situation like the first month, three

846
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:30,040
Speaker 2: or four times a week, he's going to DH and

847
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 2: then eventually transition to the outfield. So you know, the

848
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:38,120
Speaker 2: next time I do my playing time projection, I'll probably

849
00:44:38,160 --> 00:44:40,960
Speaker 2: bump orders up to one hundred hundred and ten games started,

850
00:44:41,200 --> 00:44:43,760
Speaker 2: and I'll probably put thirty of those games at Dhe

851
00:44:44,000 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 2: I think he's still going to play outfield, but they'll

852
00:44:47,440 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 2: they'll be in a position to slow play it if

853
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: they need to.

854
00:44:51,480 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think that makes a lot of sense. Here,

855
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:57,040
Speaker 1: here's a random question for a jack, and then at

856
00:44:57,080 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 1: some point we'll end this stream and get out of here.

857
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:04,040
Speaker 1: But you mentioned earlier that Chris Bassett got basically the

858
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:07,440
Speaker 1: same contract as Zach Gallen. Right, Gallen is one and

859
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:10,120
Speaker 1: a little over twenty two, but with the deferrals, it's

860
00:45:10,160 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: basically one in around eighteen we think, and Bassett got

861
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:18,120
Speaker 1: one in eighteen with with some incentives which I think

862
00:45:18,160 --> 00:45:20,520
Speaker 1: could bring it up to eighteen point five something like that.

863
00:45:20,560 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 1: So basically the same contract. Would you rather have Chris

864
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: Bassett than bring back Zach Gallen? Chris Bassett again the

865
00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,880
Speaker 1: last few years has been sin I accidentally make Jack

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00:45:33,960 --> 00:45:38,960
Speaker 1: smaller on the screen. This is the wonderful world of technology.

867
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Speaker 1: All Right, there we go. Jack is back to back

868
00:45:41,560 --> 00:45:45,120
Speaker 1: to normal size. All right. As I was saying, Chris

869
00:45:45,160 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 1: Bassett has been kind of the model of consistency the

870
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,680
Speaker 1: past few years. He had a much better twenty twenty

871
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,160
Speaker 1: five season than Gallon, with a three nine six ERA

872
00:45:53,880 --> 00:45:55,880
Speaker 1: four one six the year before and one hundred and

873
00:45:55,920 --> 00:45:58,839
Speaker 1: seventy one innings three six zero ERA in twenty twenty

874
00:45:58,920 --> 00:46:02,319
Speaker 1: three in two innings. Uh So, Jack, what do you

875
00:46:02,480 --> 00:46:04,640
Speaker 1: what do you think would you have preferred the DBAC

876
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,840
Speaker 1: spend basically the same money on Chris Bassett instead.

877
00:46:10,640 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 2: I mean, that's an interesting question. I don't have an

878
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:16,839
Speaker 2: answer for that at the moment because fancrasts won't come up.

879
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:21,200
Speaker 2: I wanted to look at his projection. I was just

880
00:46:21,239 --> 00:46:24,000
Speaker 2: curious what it came up to. I mean, you know,

881
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:26,279
Speaker 2: he look he looked pretty good in the postseason. You know,

882
00:46:26,320 --> 00:46:30,640
Speaker 2: sometimes he looked pretty pretty DWN effective And you know

883
00:46:31,000 --> 00:46:32,799
Speaker 2: it was up and down with Zach last year, right,

884
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:36,239
Speaker 2: so familiar reality sometimes for his contempt And I hate

885
00:46:36,280 --> 00:46:39,480
Speaker 2: to use those words, but the point being is, you know,

886
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 2: when a guy's going great, we tend to overrate them.

887
00:46:42,000 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 2: He's our guy. When a guy's struggling. We tend to

888
00:46:44,360 --> 00:46:47,839
Speaker 2: underrate them. He stinks. Get him out of here. You know,

889
00:46:47,960 --> 00:46:51,000
Speaker 2: everybody kind of has that a little bit of that

890
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,920
Speaker 2: going on. The one thing, you know, I just want

891
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:57,200
Speaker 2: to reiterate, and we talked about this at the end

892
00:46:57,239 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 2: of last season, is Zach that's a stand up guy,

893
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:03,919
Speaker 2: right Like, you know, he's been a good teammate, he's

894
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:08,480
Speaker 2: been a good Arizona diamondback. And every time we went

895
00:47:08,520 --> 00:47:10,720
Speaker 2: to his locker and talked to him, he never ducked

896
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:14,479
Speaker 2: a question. You know, he never like he talks about

897
00:47:14,520 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 2: what's going on, but he's not making excuses. He took

898
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,600
Speaker 2: ownership when he didn't go well, that speaks for a lot.

899
00:47:21,719 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 2: You know. They know the character of the man, and

900
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,960
Speaker 2: so I think that that counts for something here. I

901
00:47:28,960 --> 00:47:31,040
Speaker 2: don't know anything about Chris Bassett. I do know the

902
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 2: character of Zach, and so in this case, I think

903
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,439
Speaker 2: it's probably the right move for them to just bring

904
00:47:36,520 --> 00:47:39,239
Speaker 2: him back. And I think that they got a good

905
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: chance of getting a really effective season out of him.

906
00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:44,759
Speaker 2: He's certainly going to be motivated, you know, to go

907
00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 2: get his bag next year. And you know, with the

908
00:47:47,560 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 2: comfort level of being in an organization he knows, and

909
00:47:49,719 --> 00:47:53,880
Speaker 2: the stadium he knows with pardon me, with fans he knows,

910
00:47:54,480 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 2: you know, and with his wife and family here, I

911
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,279
Speaker 2: think a lot of things line up well for him, So,

912
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: you know, best for luck to him. You know, it

913
00:48:03,480 --> 00:48:05,759
Speaker 2: would be great if he has just a kick ass

914
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:10,200
Speaker 2: season and pitches the Dbacks back into the postseason. You know,

915
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,200
Speaker 2: nobody wants to see that more than us. And again,

916
00:48:13,280 --> 00:48:16,640
Speaker 2: I just Zack's been a good guy and so I

917
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:18,120
Speaker 2: think we all need to acknowledge that.

918
00:48:19,360 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 1: I think for me, I would probably also say Zach.

919
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 1: And it's because Chris Bassett might have a higher chance

920
00:48:27,520 --> 00:48:31,640
Speaker 1: of giving you, you know, like a sub four er

921
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,400
Speaker 1: just given his recent track record. Maybe I'm not totally

922
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:38,400
Speaker 1: convinced of that, but Chris Bassett has been steadier the

923
00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 1: past few years. But Zach Gallen has the higher ceiling,

924
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:44,680
Speaker 1: certainly at this stage in his career. Like I could

925
00:48:44,680 --> 00:48:48,400
Speaker 1: imagine Zach Gallen going out and having a you know,

926
00:48:49,080 --> 00:48:52,319
Speaker 1: ace like sort of season. I don't think it's likely. Again,

927
00:48:52,360 --> 00:48:55,200
Speaker 1: it's not the baseline expectation for him, but I can

928
00:48:55,440 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 1: envision a world where that happens, where he goes out

929
00:48:57,680 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 1: and just has an awesome year and is able to

930
00:49:00,440 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 1: really get paid next offseason. It's hard to imagine that

931
00:49:03,600 --> 00:49:06,719
Speaker 1: with Chris Bassett. I mean, Chris Bassett is thirty six

932
00:49:06,840 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 1: years old going on his age thirty seven season, and

933
00:49:09,600 --> 00:49:12,279
Speaker 1: if you're the d Backs right now, like, yes, you

934
00:49:12,360 --> 00:49:15,239
Speaker 1: do need stability as well. That also is a good thing,

935
00:49:15,719 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 1: but you also need some breakouts. Like the only way, frankly,

936
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,000
Speaker 1: the only way this Diamondbacks team is gonna get where

937
00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: they want to go is if a few guys kind

938
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,560
Speaker 1: of come out of nowhere and are just awesome, right Like,

939
00:49:28,560 --> 00:49:31,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna need a few of those to happen. Not

940
00:49:31,200 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 1: everyone on the roster, but you're gonna need a few

941
00:49:32,840 --> 00:49:35,480
Speaker 1: of those. And so I think for this team in

942
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: this situation, it makes sense for them to chase ceiling

943
00:49:39,320 --> 00:49:40,960
Speaker 1: for them, for them to chase a guy who has

944
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:43,680
Speaker 1: a chance to go out there and be really, really good,

945
00:49:44,000 --> 00:49:48,000
Speaker 1: even if you're not necessarily expecting that. So that's where

946
00:49:48,040 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: that's where I stand on this. I also did find

947
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:54,600
Speaker 1: the Fangrafts projection for Bassett looks like looks like Zips

948
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,640
Speaker 1: has him at a four oh five ERA and Steamer

949
00:49:56,680 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: has him at four point three zero. So pretty pretty

950
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,800
Speaker 1: similar to Gallen in that regard.

951
00:50:02,520 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I finally got mine to pull up too.

952
00:50:04,920 --> 00:50:08,399
Speaker 2: So four point one eight on the average one point

953
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,319
Speaker 2: nine WAR versus two point four for Zach, So you know,

954
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:15,399
Speaker 2: point zero point two runs in point five War. That's

955
00:50:15,440 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 2: the difference of their projection, which is reasonable. I mean,

956
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 2: you know, it's fewer innings. I mean, they're projecting Zach

957
00:50:22,760 --> 00:50:24,560
Speaker 2: one hundred and ninety one innings in Bass at one

958
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:27,520
Speaker 2: hundred and seventy one seventy four.

959
00:50:28,600 --> 00:50:33,719
Speaker 1: So yeah. The fact that Zach Gallen only got a

960
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: one year contract though Jack is still just I mean,

961
00:50:36,320 --> 00:50:38,200
Speaker 1: it is a thirty year old pitcher, right, I mean,

962
00:50:38,239 --> 00:50:40,400
Speaker 1: this just doesn't happen. I know he's coming off a

963
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,520
Speaker 1: rough season, certainly that played an enormous impact, but a

964
00:50:44,560 --> 00:50:47,960
Speaker 1: thirty year old was Zach Allen's track record, even coming

965
00:50:48,000 --> 00:50:50,840
Speaker 1: off a down year. The fact that he took a

966
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,760
Speaker 1: one year contract is this is gonna blow my mind

967
00:50:53,840 --> 00:50:55,080
Speaker 1: for for a little while.

968
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, he's you know, he's got the opportunity to

969
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:02,319
Speaker 2: turn around and have a good season and still going

970
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:04,439
Speaker 2: to fre free agency at the age of thirty one

971
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:07,560
Speaker 2: and go get a five year, two hundred million dollar

972
00:51:07,680 --> 00:51:09,480
Speaker 2: deal if he has a great season, so you know,

973
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:11,880
Speaker 2: go for it, Zach, you can do it.

974
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Speaker 1: Well. Happy Gallantine's Day to all of you, all of

975
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Speaker 1: you in the chat. I've been waiting to pull that

976
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Speaker 1: pun out this whole time Grant did. It was also

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979
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980
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Speaker 1: Arizona Diamondbacks on SI Jack any final thoughts here as

992
00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: we close out this emergency edition of Snake's Territory.

993
00:52:15,239 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 2: I've got some work to do. I gotta go rework

994
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:22,120
Speaker 2: some projections and payroll numbers and playing time numbers. I

995
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:24,399
Speaker 2: think we're getting pretty close to dial in a few

996
00:52:24,400 --> 00:52:24,759
Speaker 2: things in.

997
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,880
Speaker 1: Well, we've said it before, expect the unexpected when it

998
00:52:28,920 --> 00:52:32,160
Speaker 1: comes to the Arizona Diamondbacks, and they did it once

999
00:52:32,239 --> 00:52:34,920
Speaker 1: again as Zachallen returns to the Diamondbacks on a one

1000
00:52:34,960 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 1: year deal for a little over twenty two million dollars

1001
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 1: little under twenty million when you factor in the deferrals.

1002
00:52:40,800 --> 00:52:43,400
Speaker 1: Fascinating move from them. Be good to see Zach Gallen

1003
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 1: out at the ballpark, hopefully here in a few days

1004
00:52:46,560 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 1: when you and I are both out there. And of

1005
00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,879
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1006
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Speaker 2: Hm.