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Speaker 4: Welcome in, everybody. We've got the full crew ready to roll.
Speaker 3: Lots to talk about here in this Dallas Cowboys offseason.
Speaker 3: Isaiah's standing back, John Machoda, Nick Harris, Chris Beam in
Speaker 3: the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans.
Speaker 5: Gentlemen.
Speaker 4: How are we doing today, Isaiah?
Speaker 3: Hello?
Speaker 4: How's it going?
Speaker 5: Man? Good man? How are you doing? Good?
Speaker 4: Good? John?
Speaker 1: Everything good, Everything's great, No complaints?
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, the swing of offseason.
Speaker 7: I guess you're really getting into the mix of it now,
Speaker 7: which is tough because the super Bowl week, but yeah,
Speaker 7: you're really entrenched in the off season now, so good stuff.
Speaker 6: We have a lot to talk about too.
Speaker 3: I still feel like this week, you're gonna see just
Speaker 3: how much fun it was for the Chiefs and the
Speaker 3: forty nine ers and what their fan bases are getting
Speaker 3: new experience right now. And it's gonna hurt a little
Speaker 3: bit if you're Cowboys fans, if you're out there and
Speaker 3: you're still thinking back to the Packers, you're thinking it
Speaker 3: back to that wildcard loss.
Speaker 4: It's gonna hurt a little bit.
Speaker 3: And then that sting will go away gradually after this week,
Speaker 3: but up until this week, it won't be there.
Speaker 4: It's gonna be there.
Speaker 8: Pockets are heavier than they wouldn't than what they would
Speaker 8: have been had you went to Vegas, dude, for real,
Speaker 8: because those rooms are not cheap.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Yeah, did you try and get out there this year?
Speaker 8: I tried to get a hotel room the day after
Speaker 8: last year Super Bowl, Okay, and the rates were already crazy.
Speaker 5: Oh man, wasn't that wild?
Speaker 1: Wow?
Speaker 9: I mean it's the first time in Vegas, so it's
Speaker 9: gonna be it's insane.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 8: I know people with a lot of a lot of
Speaker 8: a lot of money. I know individuals with a lot
Speaker 8: of money. They're staying at the Golden Nugget, talking flying down,
Speaker 8: flying down there private and having to stay at the
Speaker 8: Golden Nugget. I should tell you exactly no but private
Speaker 8: private jet. Yeah, Golden Nugget. But before we get too crazy,
Speaker 8: I have to have to get the shot out real quick. Okay,
Speaker 8: today's my wife's fortieth birthday. Oh make shout out to that.
Speaker 5: She's not here. She's out of town doing some uh
Speaker 5: some nonprofit work.
Speaker 4: But oh wow, but she's giving even on.
Speaker 5: On her birthday, her birthday. That's really cool, pretty dope.
Speaker 5: That's all.
Speaker 4: Y'all had a nice little get together this.
Speaker 5: Week, and yeah, we turn up a little bit.
Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, let your boy get a little energy drink
Speaker 8: in the system, because that's it. That's the only I
Speaker 8: could live rigging my knee, that's all.
Speaker 1: It takes some energy drink.
Speaker 5: That's all. I need one energy drink.
Speaker 8: Bro, don't give me too rifle coffee. Don't give me
Speaker 8: two energy drinks. If I get three, I might be
Speaker 8: streaking through the quad in the coliseum.
Speaker 7: I think, I think at your water. I got your
Speaker 7: birthday dinner in Seattle during the preseason. You had had
Speaker 7: two red bulls and all.
Speaker 5: Yeah, we actually I actually kept a pretty chill that night.
Speaker 6: We had work.
Speaker 1: What you'd be like, if you mix a little bit
Speaker 1: of some spirits in there, spirits, spirits, you haven't really
Speaker 1: lived until you mix that red bull.
Speaker 5: Or something else. Somebody's trying to do that to me before,
Speaker 5: and I smelled it.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I ordered a red bull and it came back
Speaker 8: into glass and I was like, that's not just red bull.
Speaker 3: A lot of if you go to a bar and
Speaker 3: you order just a red bull, they sometimes will actually
Speaker 3: think you're thinking, that's like a normal thing. I don't
Speaker 3: think you should be my buddy, but my body's my temple.
Speaker 4: Good job, Thank you.
Speaker 5: There you go.
Speaker 4: All right, We've got plenty of news and notes to
Speaker 4: get to.
Speaker 3: Of course, there's a lot of buzz around the defensive
Speaker 3: coordinator position interviews starting yesterday. According to Jerry Jones, nine
Speaker 3: am Central Time is when he said it got going. Nick,
Speaker 3: Do you did you hear anything based off of how
Speaker 3: those interviews went, who those interviews were with, and where
Speaker 3: the direction could be headed.
Speaker 6: Yeah, those interviews are still ongoing.
Speaker 7: I don't think anything conclusive is going to come out
Speaker 7: of anything until probably after tomorrow at the earliest. But yeah,
Speaker 7: interviewing candidates for replace dan Quins since the last time
Speaker 7: we talked to Dan Quinn taking the head coaching job
Speaker 7: with the Commanders. Really fascinating how that all kind of
Speaker 7: came together so quickly. And then Joe Witt Junior over
Speaker 7: the weekend following him as his defensive coordinator. So the
Speaker 7: Cowboys do lose one assistant and one potential candidate in
Speaker 7: their defensive coordinator search. He was slated to have an
Speaker 7: interview on Monday, but he took the burden hand and
Speaker 7: went ahead and take the defensive coordinator job with the
Speaker 7: Watch Commanders.
Speaker 6: I can't blame him for that.
Speaker 7: And now you as far as in house candidates, you
Speaker 7: look at eight and Dirty defensive line coach. You look
Speaker 7: at Al Harris defensive backs coach. Outside candidates, you look
Speaker 7: at Mike Zimmer, you look at Ron Rivera. Those are
Speaker 7: two that are in the building this week. It wouldn't
Speaker 7: surprise me if there's a candidate or two more that
Speaker 7: they bring into interview just to kind of throw in
Speaker 7: some parody and you know, really kind of widen the
Speaker 7: scope on this entire search. But as of right now,
Speaker 7: those are the names that are being thrown out.
Speaker 6: I like them.
Speaker 7: Mike Zimmer idea, I really do I want to start
Speaker 7: with that. I think bringing him in would be an
Speaker 7: interesting pairing with Mike McCarthy, the two half chemistry together.
Speaker 7: Zimmer from his head coaching days, has a history of
Speaker 7: putting together good defenses, and his defensive coordinator days has
Speaker 7: a history of putting in good defenses. But the difference
Speaker 7: for me is what he brings whenever he's running a defense,
Speaker 7: and that's physicality, size and really focusing on stopping the run.
Speaker 7: And I think later in his later days in Minnesota
Speaker 7: that kind of bid him because they were giving up
Speaker 7: so much in the passing game. But I trust with
Speaker 7: what Dallas has personnel wise to be able to limit
Speaker 7: the passing game. I want to be able to have
Speaker 7: a coordinator that will focus on being able to stop
Speaker 7: the run and keep things in the backfield. And I
Speaker 7: think that's exactly what this team needs. I think that's
Speaker 7: what Mike Zimmer brings. But that's just my opinion. What
Speaker 7: do you think based off that?
Speaker 5: I think those all valid points.
Speaker 8: I think, yeah, I mean Zimmer in terms of his
Speaker 8: resume and what he's done as a defensive coach, he
Speaker 8: speaks for itself. I think his defenses have always been
Speaker 8: highly respect I think the players that play for him
Speaker 8: hold him in high regard. He's a no nonsense type
Speaker 8: of guy. That's the one aspect that worries me a
Speaker 8: little bit about him coming to Dallas is because I'm
Speaker 8: not sure how that style of coaching works with this
Speaker 8: generation of athlete. That's literally my concern as we as
Speaker 8: it pertains to some of the some of these really
Speaker 8: good coaches and even Bill Belichick, you know, I mean
Speaker 8: Coach Belichick obviously the goat and coaching is highly regarded
Speaker 8: it and as that, but his style of coaching might
Speaker 8: be the reason why he doesn't have a job right now. Players,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm just saying, Like players, players are
Speaker 8: more sensitive to hard coaching.
Speaker 5: Now, that's just the reality that we're in. That's across
Speaker 5: the scope.
Speaker 8: That's not just football, that's in all you sports and
Speaker 8: all the way up to the NFL sports at times. Yeah,
Speaker 8: it's just they're just not able to for in a majority, right,
Speaker 8: majority of the athletes that we that we now are
Speaker 8: around don't receive that type of coaching will So I'm
Speaker 8: not sure how that personality would do with his locker room.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 8: Can he change it, absolutely, But in terms of reception
Speaker 8: That's what I'm more concerned about in terms of that
Speaker 8: locker room field.
Speaker 9: I kind of wonder though, what factors in with Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 9: And then also Bill Belichick now looks like he possibly
Speaker 9: could have a full season not to be coaching. I
Speaker 9: wonder how much of that, like Mike Zimmer not coaching,
Speaker 9: factors into that. Listening to dan Quin's press conference yesterday
Speaker 9: in Washington talking about how, you know, when he got
Speaker 9: fired in Atlanta, I gave him some time to sit
Speaker 9: back and kind of, you know, adjust some things, maybe
Speaker 9: change some things that he did before.
Speaker 1: Gave him a little time to think perspective.
Speaker 9: Yeah, and I could see that being the same case
Speaker 9: of Mike Zimmer because everything you said I agree with.
Speaker 9: But I also think that he has to know that too.
Speaker 9: So if he's just coming in trying to just do
Speaker 9: the same exact stuff he was doing before, he's got
Speaker 9: to know that that he's going to have to change
Speaker 9: some things. Yeah, but yeah, I agree. I agree with
Speaker 9: everything that Nick said. I the sake of the show,
Speaker 9: I wish I could disagree because it makes for a
Speaker 9: better conversation, but I do. I do think he's the
Speaker 9: best because I think it comes down to him or
Speaker 9: round Rivera. Yeah, and I like I like the Zimmer higher.
Speaker 9: I think that that fits with Mike McCarthy where they're at.
Speaker 9: And then in terms of the Joe Witt going over
Speaker 9: to Washington, I think that's good for everyone because here's
Speaker 9: here's the thing that I feel like is you don't
Speaker 9: want to be bringing in a new defensive coordinator and
Speaker 9: then just being like, yeah, so you're a guy, but
Speaker 9: you got to take all these assistants with you, like
Speaker 9: these all these You're gonna have to coach with these
Speaker 9: assistants like you want your if you're hiring a new DC,
Speaker 9: you want that person to be able to bring in
Speaker 9: some of their own coaches too. So I'm not saying
Speaker 9: that Joe Witt couldn't have worked with Mike Zimmer round Rivera.
Speaker 1: So obviously he could.
Speaker 9: But you're gonna want that coach to bring in some
Speaker 9: people that he feels comfortable with too, that he's worked
Speaker 9: with before, that he you know, trusts that you know,
Speaker 9: have been been close to him. And so I do
Speaker 9: think it comes down to those two, and I would
Speaker 9: be leaning more towards Mike Zimmer.
Speaker 8: So how does the assistant's positions work now on the
Speaker 8: defense side of the ball. Contractually, I remember you guys
Speaker 8: saying something about you can't leave unless they get upgraded
Speaker 8: or money's more.
Speaker 7: Commanders can really only take one, and they took Joe
Speaker 7: at junior. The question I have, and the thing that
Speaker 7: I haven't got a ton of clarity on which y'all
Speaker 7: might be able to give a little bit more to,
Speaker 7: is let's say they want to take Al Harris. Can
Speaker 7: they give him a co defensive coordinator position and it
Speaker 7: would still work?
Speaker 1: Probably?
Speaker 9: Yeah, Yeah, I think that's the way it would have
Speaker 9: to work. They'd have to give him a title that
Speaker 9: would be above what he what he has right now.
Speaker 3: Well, and that's that's if he remains under contract with
Speaker 3: the Cowboys. Let's say Mike Zimmer comes in and he
Speaker 3: wants to redo the staff completely, then those guys are
Speaker 3: free to sign elsewhere regardless. So that's how a lot
Speaker 3: of the coaching carousel works is if you bring in
Speaker 3: your guys, you bring in these candidates and then they're.
Speaker 4: Free to go elsewhere.
Speaker 3: But I don't see anybody, whether it's Ron Rivera, whether
Speaker 3: it's Mike Zimmer or any other coming in here and
Speaker 3: saying Al Harris, listen, thank you for your service.
Speaker 8: Contractually, contractly, are they once you, once you make a
Speaker 8: new defensive coordinator hired, does their contracts now have the
Speaker 8: freedom to just get up and walk away or how
Speaker 8: does that work.
Speaker 3: Now they're contracted with Team Team. Yeah, so it's a
Speaker 3: little bit confusing.
Speaker 5: That's why. Yeah, that's why I wanted to come in.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they can request to interview guys, but that the
Speaker 7: Cowboys can block that. Yeah, And just kind of looking
Speaker 7: at the landscape and how things have kind of moved
Speaker 7: quickly with all of the other coordinator fillings as head
Speaker 7: coaching and carousel has kind of gone through its cycle.
Speaker 7: It would be tough to be able to fill a
Speaker 7: staff with certain assistance being out of the building. So
Speaker 7: whoever that new defensive coordinator coming in, if they want
Speaker 7: to bring in guys, they better have it ready to go.
Speaker 7: And you know, hopefully the people that would be let
Speaker 7: go are kind of done right in that instance. But
Speaker 7: you know one candidate that I heard on the on
Speaker 7: social media last week that I just have to bring up.
Speaker 7: It was from a certain account on this on this
Speaker 7: table was Rex Ryan. I'm gonna give you the chance
Speaker 7: to just speak on why before we we.
Speaker 5: Told con Let's give some context here.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, last week, we're sitting around and of course
Speaker 3: the dat yeah we were talking about we were we
Speaker 3: had the conversation of dan Quinn leaving, and then very
Speaker 3: quickly after.
Speaker 4: The show was over it the news broke was dan
Speaker 4: Quinn's moving on.
Speaker 3: Well, Isaiah, knowing that you only got these forty five
Speaker 3: minutes a week now, you had been limited in the
Speaker 3: way that.
Speaker 4: You can you can share your opinion.
Speaker 3: You hopped on Twitter, you put together a video and
Speaker 3: you said, this is the guy I want, says her
Speaker 3: next defense coordinator.
Speaker 8: Stand behind that Steel, still stand behind that. The name
Speaker 8: popped up, Rex Ryan, still stand behind that.
Speaker 3: I can't tell you how quickly Nick and I like
Speaker 3: immediately looked at each other.
Speaker 4: And so we're like, what is Isaiah doing?
Speaker 5: That's okay?
Speaker 4: Actually had a did you have more than one red
Speaker 4: Bull or an energy dream?
Speaker 5: I still stand behind that statement.
Speaker 7: I actually have one question to add that I would
Speaker 7: love for you to incorporate your answer. What was the
Speaker 7: game that you played when you were with the Patriots
Speaker 7: and made you think the Rex Ryan was good?
Speaker 5: Preparation?
Speaker 8: Preparation, So like sitting in those meeting rooms with with
Speaker 8: Bill O'Brien and Tom Brady and having to watch film
Speaker 8: trying to prepare for a game against Rex. Ryan was
Speaker 8: the most difficult thing out of any team I've ever
Speaker 8: prepared for when he was coaching.
Speaker 5: When he was coaching the Jets, hands down, regardless of personnel.
Speaker 4: I was about to say the personnel on that Jets.
Speaker 5: Defense was regardless of personal ski scheme.
Speaker 4: I mean they made back to back AFC title.
Speaker 8: Games with mar I'll just tell you from skiing, I
Speaker 8: know there's a personality and the feed and all that
Speaker 8: stuff that comes with it. I think I truly and
Speaker 8: honestly believe that he's able to connect with.
Speaker 5: This generation of player with his personality. I truly do.
Speaker 8: High energy guy, still discipline, allows guys to be themselves right,
Speaker 8: the feed right, whatever it is right. But he's humble
Speaker 8: enough to be at that level with them, but still
Speaker 8: demand excellence right and hard work and all that stuff.
Speaker 8: But also again, havn't been in the league and haven't
Speaker 8: been in a lot of meter rooms with a lot
Speaker 8: of great players and seeing the preparation and coaches. I've
Speaker 8: never seen any offensive coordinator, head coach, quarterback have to
Speaker 8: prepare more for any other decordinator outside of Rex Ryan.
Speaker 8: Hands down, the stuff that he was bringing to the table,
Speaker 8: the stuff that he was doing in the games was
Speaker 8: absolutely insane and with the personnel that doubts.
Speaker 1: Did you ever play the Patriots in your career?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it was with the Giants, Okay.
Speaker 1: I just can't believe that in.
Speaker 5: A Super Bowl.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I just can't believe that Rex Ryan would be
Speaker 9: higher than Bill Belichrack. When he was in his bag,
Speaker 9: everybody used to just talk about constantly how it was
Speaker 9: like week to week, like I can't believe, like this
Speaker 9: guy just does it way different than everybody else, Like
Speaker 9: every week.
Speaker 8: Real stuff wasn't complicated, It wasn't like it wasn't like
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, Like guys were disciplined, right,
Speaker 8: and guys did their job.
Speaker 1: Yeah right.
Speaker 8: But Rex's stuff was just out of this world, out
Speaker 8: the box, water boy, out the green book type stuff,
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying, Like, what the heck is
Speaker 8: a one five to five defense? Like who the heck
Speaker 8: draws this up? Like what is this personnel grouping that's
Speaker 8: out here? Like just stuff that's off the wall, And
Speaker 8: I I can appreciate that with the personnel that's on
Speaker 8: this roster currently. Because the challenge that you have by
Speaker 8: bringing the defensive coordinator, you have to bring in a
Speaker 8: defensive coordinator that that not only has a good track record,
Speaker 8: but you have to bring in a as a coordinator
Speaker 8: who can connect with your players that are currently on
Speaker 8: your roster because you can't turn your roster over. Along
Speaker 8: with that, you also have a challenge of bringing in
Speaker 8: a defensive coordinator who has a scheme that's similar enough
Speaker 8: to what you've already been running because the personnel that
Speaker 8: associates with that. You can't turn your roster over in
Speaker 8: one year. You don't want to have a rebuild, so
Speaker 8: you have to deal with what you have.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 8: There's gonna be guys that come and go, but the
Speaker 8: core is still your core, right, So you can't all
Speaker 8: of a sudden come in here and think that you're
Speaker 8: about to just run a three four right, or you know,
Speaker 8: whatever it might be like. You have to go with
Speaker 8: what you have primarily on your roster. So when you
Speaker 8: look about that, you look about what type of coaches
Speaker 8: have the flexibility and the creativity to be able to
Speaker 8: do that right. Much like much like Dan Queen, came in,
Speaker 8: it was like, all right, I'm running three safeties. We're like,
Speaker 8: what the heck is, No, nobody runs three safeties. He did, right,
Speaker 8: That's what worked for him. It was off the wall,
Speaker 8: but it worked for him, right, and they continue that
Speaker 8: through his whole tenure here.
Speaker 5: So when I think.
Speaker 8: About Rex, like that, not Rob but Rex, Like, that's
Speaker 8: what I think about, high energy, discipline, right off the wall,
Speaker 8: big personality in Dallas, can connect with the players and
Speaker 8: can and creative enough to have those guys around. And
Speaker 8: I know there's a lot of other stuff that goes
Speaker 8: along with him. Yeah, but I like him and I
Speaker 8: like what he brings to the table.
Speaker 3: I love all the elements that you're giving, and I
Speaker 3: agree with you that a coordinator that will be brought
Speaker 3: in needs.
Speaker 4: To have those elements.
Speaker 3: But there's one missing element that has to be had
Speaker 3: that trust with your head coach. Your head coach has
Speaker 3: to trust who you're bringing in, even if it is
Speaker 3: for the year and it's the final year of Mike
Speaker 3: McCarthy's deal and you have this one year hanging over
Speaker 3: Mike McCarthy. He's not going to hire somebody he's not
Speaker 3: going to trust and Rex Ryan very much so. Since
Speaker 3: he's been out of the league, has has downgraded and
Speaker 3: been against Mike McCarthy very vocally on TV. On his
Speaker 3: television shows on Sunday Countdown or whatever the show is
Speaker 3: that he's on, he's been very adamant about how he
Speaker 3: disagrees with Mike McCarthy and he has downgraded Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 8: I get it sometimes and I get it. Trust me,
Speaker 8: I get it.
Speaker 9: But I prevalence his job Isaiah at all.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, he wants the TV job.
Speaker 4: To create opening here.
Speaker 8: I've been here, I've been I've been on the thirteen
Speaker 8: and three. I've been on the thirteen and three Cowboys
Speaker 8: roster where two coaches disagree but then get to where
Speaker 8: you Jason Jason Garrett and coach Phillips did not see I.
Speaker 8: There was a there was a disrespect that was going on.
Speaker 8: There was communication bears, it was obvious the team knew
Speaker 8: that there was a huge divide. So I've been in
Speaker 8: that environment before and it worked out perfectly fine. You
Speaker 8: didn't want a certain where you're at today, That's where
Speaker 8: you know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying, but
Speaker 8: like I'm saying, like it can it can still you
Speaker 8: can still have a successful team with that to those
Speaker 8: two elements being on the east side. You guys are
Speaker 8: over there doing your thing, rover here doing our thing.
Speaker 8: Long as we have a clear line that there's not
Speaker 8: going to be any disrespect in the building and that
Speaker 8: everybody works undeath one roof, you don't have to agree.
Speaker 5: There's a whole locker.
Speaker 8: Room of guys that come from different backgrounds, different beliefs,
Speaker 8: different political beliefs, different cultures, different religions, all that stuff,
Speaker 8: and you come together and you make it work on
Speaker 8: the field every single thing. That's what's so amazing about
Speaker 8: football is that you don't have to see eyed eye.
Speaker 5: Right, I don't. I don't came from where you come from. Right.
Speaker 5: I didn't grow up in Detroit, Right. I grew up
Speaker 5: right in a.
Speaker 8: Very diverse, not not very diverse area of Seattle. Right,
Speaker 8: it was pretty much primarily black. But then when I
Speaker 8: got the college, guess what, I'm playing with Polynesians, I'm
Speaker 8: playing with Asians, I'm playing with everything. And it's like, Okay,
Speaker 8: I don't know nothing about you or where you come from. Yeah,
Speaker 8: And it's not a come out yeah absolutely right, And
Speaker 8: like I don't like, I don't speak your language. I
Speaker 8: don't you know, like I don't believe what you believe.
Speaker 8: Like we see, we don't see eye eye on any
Speaker 8: of these things. But guess what we would line them up.
Speaker 8: We're together.
Speaker 3: Hey, we don't see eye to eye on your take
Speaker 3: of Rex Ryan's coordinator.
Speaker 4: We're on this show. That's what it's all about.
Speaker 5: Perspectives. Maybe it's all different. It's awesome.
Speaker 6: I just want to throw some numbers here.
Speaker 7: Mike Zimmer in his twenty two years as a coordinator
Speaker 7: and head coach twenty two years, thirteen of those years,
Speaker 7: he's finished in the top half of scoring defenses in
Speaker 7: ten of those top ten Rex Ryan and five of
Speaker 7: his first six seasons as a coordinator side head coach
Speaker 7: top top ten scoring defense. Wow, did not do it
Speaker 7: again for the next six years. So it's just like
Speaker 7: looking at the body of work that he had in
Speaker 7: those two years in Buffalo and then to finish out
Speaker 7: with the New York Jets, and you kind of factor
Speaker 7: in the issues that you had off the field too.
Speaker 5: I get it.
Speaker 6: It's just not I.
Speaker 8: Get it this team specifically, I get it risk versus
Speaker 8: and I could and I would feel that, And I
Speaker 8: honestly feel the same way as we talk about a
Speaker 8: Zimmer or Rivera and coming in here trying to coach
Speaker 8: up with Michael Parsons, right, or some of these other
Speaker 8: young superstars that probably don't want to hear nothing that
Speaker 8: they got to say.
Speaker 5: Don't like you gonna You're gonna curse me out? Like
Speaker 5: are you serious?
Speaker 8: Like some of these guys might have that response and
Speaker 8: you might lose the locker room like like that if
Speaker 8: you come in too strong.
Speaker 3: Isn't that an indictment on the maturity level of your players?
Speaker 8: Absolutely, But that's what you gotta deal with. That's what
Speaker 8: you're catering to. That's what I'm saying, and that's the
Speaker 8: reality that you're living in. So if you bring in
Speaker 8: a Zimmer of Rivera those guys who were kind of
Speaker 8: hard and those type of guys, and your players don't respond, well,
Speaker 8: now what do you have?
Speaker 9: Yeah, I feel I agree with you if this was
Speaker 9: a defense that needed to be fixed and then they
Speaker 9: were going out to get a defense court like the
Speaker 9: pieces are there. And then the other factor is that,
Speaker 9: like I said, zim or not coaching the last two years,
Speaker 9: I find it very hard to believe that he can
Speaker 9: think that he's going to come in here and start
Speaker 9: doing that like that. He isn't gonna have to kind
Speaker 9: of fit in, like he's gonna have his way of
Speaker 9: doing things, but he's gonna have to kind of fit
Speaker 9: with what they have here. Because the key is that
Speaker 9: is it is a talented defense. So it's not like
Speaker 9: you got to like, basically what I'm saying, he's coming
Speaker 9: in after Mike Nolan. Let's say he's the higher after
Speaker 9: twenty twenty disaster. You can do a lot of crazy things,
Speaker 9: but there's a lot of pieces that are working here
Speaker 9: that I don't think he can come in and do that.
Speaker 9: And that's on Jerry Jones, Mike McCarthy, whoever's in the
Speaker 9: interview process to find out, Hey, what are you trying
Speaker 9: to do? How can what you want to do fit
Speaker 9: with what we want? And then they have to make
Speaker 9: the best decision off that me. I believe though, just
Speaker 9: because he has been out of the game for a
Speaker 9: couple of years, that he'll be more willing to do
Speaker 9: that maybe than he would have.
Speaker 5: And that's the hope, Like that, Yeah, that's the hope.
Speaker 5: I go to go off with what I've seen. Yeah.
Speaker 8: No, I mean that's that's that's from all of our points, right,
Speaker 8: I mean, for sure from the crazy Riggs Ryan idea,
Speaker 8: it's it a crazy Zimmerman idea. Like I every guys
Speaker 8: that I know who played for Zimmerman is just like, yeah,
Speaker 8: he's a he's a.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 8: You know what I'm saying, that's that's just what I
Speaker 8: know about him, and what I know about him, I
Speaker 8: know wouldn't work with some of the players that are
Speaker 8: currently on this roster. If he's that same guy. Now,
Speaker 8: we can hope that he's different over the last few years.
Speaker 8: You know, I'm saying, maybe he's changed and maybe he
Speaker 8: can bring a different approach, but what we've seen for
Speaker 8: majority of it of his career, I'm not sure that
Speaker 8: that personality works with what's currently on this rule.
Speaker 1: He can make the argument that that's why Mike Raball
Speaker 1: doesn't have a driver right now.
Speaker 4: It's a good point.
Speaker 5: A lot of the hard and those guys just aren't connecting.
Speaker 5: I'm saying, it's just what it is.
Speaker 4: Let's give some grades. We've got this this long list
Speaker 4: of candidates, Mike Zimmer's on there.
Speaker 3: I don't know if I want to talk about Rex
Speaker 3: Ryan being on that we may we may do it
Speaker 3: just for fun. Yeah, yeah, all these candidates top to bottom,
Speaker 3: and both Nick and John have have released articles about
Speaker 3: these different defensive coordinator candidates. What grade would you give
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Speaker 5: I say, yeah, yes, sir man, I didn't Beamer. You
Speaker 5: got something for me?
Speaker 4: What he tried? You tried to take it up?
Speaker 9: We did?
Speaker 5: I did?
Speaker 4: You tried through the alley oop.
Speaker 3: When there was a little bit of a pause there
Speaker 3: from Beamer, I thought he was going to come busting
Speaker 3: through the door and just like lay down the Quaker
Speaker 3: Oats on the table.
Speaker 5: That had been awesome little brown sugar and raisings in
Speaker 5: there I.
Speaker 3: Had that the other day, did you Yeah, how'd you
Speaker 3: work out?
Speaker 5: Challenge going?
Speaker 3: It was good up until this past weekend. It's been fine.
Speaker 3: Outside of that, I am on track. I'm actually ahead
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Speaker 16: Yeah, all right, let's talk about some grades, and these
Speaker 16: are we will do report card grades for the entire
Speaker 16: season once we know where the coordinators fall coaching Carosel
Speaker 16: that kind of settles down.
Speaker 4: That'll be a.
Speaker 3: Later episode here I'll talking Cowboys, but today I want
Speaker 3: to talk about what grades would you give the following
Speaker 3: defensive coordinator higher if they indeed become the higher And
Speaker 3: I'm taking these these guys' names from Nick Harris, John
Speaker 3: Machoda Nick on Dallas Cowboys dot com com, John.
Speaker 4: On the Athletic.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna start with Ron Rivera Riverboat Ron of course
Speaker 3: most recently head coach with the Washington Commanders.
Speaker 4: Basically, it would be a trade Dan Quinn for Ron Rivera. Uh,
Speaker 4: what grade would you give it?
Speaker 3: John? If you're looking at what he brings to this
Speaker 3: defense and how he would fit in and we're talking
Speaker 3: aid to F scale, like a grade scale.
Speaker 1: No, pluses or minuses. You can do plus Monk, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be it.
Speaker 9: I'll probably be the highest on Round RIVERA anybody at
Speaker 9: this table. So I'm gonna say be minus. I don't
Speaker 9: think that just because it doesn't work out as a
Speaker 9: head coach in you could make the argument the worst
Speaker 9: situation if you think about who was the owner the
Speaker 9: organization he stepped into. It's not like act like anybody's
Speaker 9: just going in there and just fixing that. Oh no, no,
Speaker 9: if you just if you just put Kyle Shannan back
Speaker 9: in there, he would turn them in the Niners. So no,
Speaker 9: he wouldn't have So yeah, yeah, he deserves something and
Speaker 9: it's hard to get past. I have some of the
Speaker 9: similar feelings I had about Dan Quinn in the sense
Speaker 9: of I always kind of laugh at people that wanted
Speaker 9: to ding his resume for the twenty eight to three
Speaker 9: in the super Bowl because I can't get past the
Speaker 9: he got the Atlanta Falcons to the Super Bowl and
Speaker 9: so it's the same thing like he got the Carolina
Speaker 9: Panthers to the Super Bowl with Ron Ree. Let's not
Speaker 9: act like he can't coach. Okay, let's let's let's stop
Speaker 9: with that. Like it's getting a little lot of control
Speaker 9: on social media with some of that stuff. So I
Speaker 9: don't think it would be an A. But out of
Speaker 9: the candidates i've heard, I think he's the second best
Speaker 9: choice because I have believed and I still do believe
Speaker 9: that they will go with a former head coach because
Speaker 9: they need somebody that can be the head coach of
Speaker 9: the defense, and out of the candidates that are available
Speaker 9: right now, I think he'd be the second best, so
Speaker 9: be minus.
Speaker 7: YEA for those exact same reasons, head coaching experience, just
Speaker 7: what he's been able to do during his career, being
Speaker 7: able to kind of fall back into a coordinator role.
Speaker 6: I'd give it a BEE.
Speaker 7: I think it's right and there in that range kind
Speaker 7: of teetering on B plus but sitting at a B.
Speaker 7: I think he'd be good for a culture fit as
Speaker 7: well in the Dallas locker room. I'd be curious to
Speaker 7: know what the interviews kind of come out of, though,
Speaker 7: as far as where he's at in his career and
Speaker 7: what he's still trying to accomplish and does he want
Speaker 7: to be a head coach again. You know, there's a
Speaker 7: lot of questions that I think would have to be
Speaker 7: asked there. But he's sixty two years old. I mean,
Speaker 7: there's still a lot left in his career. He's a
Speaker 7: two time AP Coach of the Year. I mean, this
Speaker 7: is a guy who's done it before, just had a
Speaker 7: rough couple of years in Washington, and that's a tough
Speaker 7: place to win. I want to give that little grace,
Speaker 7: but also understand and realize that this last year was
Speaker 7: really bad.
Speaker 6: On the defensive side of the ball.
Speaker 7: We granted they gave away to a really good defensive
Speaker 7: lineman in the middle of the year, but wouldn't kind
Speaker 7: of factor everything in. It Probably is a good time
Speaker 7: for him to step back as a coordinator. I think
Speaker 7: it would be an interesting hire. I wouldn't be sold
Speaker 7: day one. I think with Zimmer I would be sold
Speaker 7: earlier than I would be with Rivera. But give me
Speaker 7: training camp and I could be sold on Ron Rivera
Speaker 7: for sure.
Speaker 4: What do you think He's a two time coach of
Speaker 4: the Year.
Speaker 5: I get it. I'm gonna see, I'm gonna see. I'm
Speaker 5: just not excited about it.
Speaker 6: Oh there you said, I'm going to see.
Speaker 5: No, I'm gonna see.
Speaker 8: There's nothing from my experience, from what I've watched on
Speaker 8: film over these past you know, four plus years working
Speaker 8: for the Boys, there's nothing that I've seen that's like,
Speaker 8: oh man, yea, this defense is tough. Outside of the
Speaker 8: personnel scheme wise, I don't see it.
Speaker 5: I just don't.
Speaker 3: Twenty thirteen, twenty fifteen, he won AP Coach of the Year.
Speaker 3: He's one of three coaches since two thousand to win
Speaker 3: multiple Coach of the Year wins Bill Belichick and Bruce
Speaker 3: Arians or the other two. So, I mean, you have
Speaker 3: the track record. Does he fit with this defense?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I would probably stick with John. I
Speaker 4: probably say like A B minus. I don't think it's
Speaker 4: a C higher because I think if it's if it's
Speaker 4: a C, you're kind of just your men.
Speaker 5: You're at a C.
Speaker 3: But it's definitely not an A higher. And I don't
Speaker 3: think it's A high. I don't think there are any
Speaker 3: a's out there. What about Mike Zimmer, that's the next
Speaker 3: name on the list, Mike Zimmer. You guys have talked
Speaker 3: about it significantly. What graade would you give it?
Speaker 8: Isaiah B minus B minas it's a little bit higher
Speaker 8: than a little bit higher, just because I mean, either
Speaker 8: gonna either gonna hit with his style, or you're gonna
Speaker 8: swing a miss in a major way and you're gonna
Speaker 8: get a bunch of guys that are rejected and contracts
Speaker 8: coming up, not gonna want to stick around. Yeah, So
Speaker 8: that's why I say personality is a big part of
Speaker 8: this higher as well for me. So B minus just
Speaker 8: because of his track record of defenses has been solid.
Speaker 8: Is just this style that he brings. I'm not sure
Speaker 8: that the creativeness is, but the discipline is definitely there,
Speaker 8: So there's there's something to be said about that.
Speaker 3: I mean, if you've talked about something that dan Quinn's
Speaker 3: defenses have lacked, it would probably be discipline. So it
Speaker 3: would fix one problem, maybe create another, but it would
Speaker 3: still be I'd give it an a minus.
Speaker 4: I really like the Mike Zimmer idea. I like how
Speaker 4: much experience he has.
Speaker 3: I like the trust that he and Mike McCarthy have together,
Speaker 3: the way that they know each other both from a
Speaker 3: strength standpoint and a weakness standpoint, because they've played against each.
Speaker 5: Other so much. I like that.
Speaker 8: I believe that's a certain extent, I honestly think that's
Speaker 8: going to be the higher I.
Speaker 5: Would give it.
Speaker 3: I'd give it a low AA minus just because would
Speaker 3: I rather have somebody else? Would I rather have Dan
Speaker 3: Quinn in the building. Yes, But Mike Zimmer out of
Speaker 3: the candidates that are available, that's the best candidate on
Speaker 3: the block.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I'm throwing to B plus and for me that's
Speaker 7: the best candidate as well, and the best candidates to
Speaker 7: be plus.
Speaker 1: So completely agree.
Speaker 9: I don't think there is an a candidate available. It
Speaker 9: actually made me think, like, well, who is really an
Speaker 9: a candidate And.
Speaker 7: It's not realistic? Yeah yeah, it's Vrabel maybe, but like
Speaker 7: it's not realistic.
Speaker 9: Yeah yeah, I just I don't see anybody that would
Speaker 9: be out there that you would sit there and say,
Speaker 9: oh yeah, no, no, this is the no doubt, go
Speaker 9: get person.
Speaker 1: So I would say B plus.
Speaker 9: But with that being said, to Nick's earlier point, I could.
Speaker 9: I could after seeing training camp and you know, talking
Speaker 9: with players and things like that, it could end up
Speaker 9: being an a higher you know, if maybe there are
Speaker 9: some tweaks there. The thing I keep going back to
Speaker 9: is I just think that when you do something for
Speaker 9: such a long time and then there's that period of
Speaker 9: a couple of years where you don't get to do it,
Speaker 9: I find it hard to believe that you just come
Speaker 9: back and you don't do anything to change.
Speaker 1: Also, I just.
Speaker 9: Think that your hunger is very high, because there's probably
Speaker 9: points in your life where you're thinking, well, I might
Speaker 9: not get this opportunity again. So I think Mike Zimmer
Speaker 9: would be very hungry.
Speaker 3: What about Mike Rabel, You guys have talked about him
Speaker 3: a little bit. I know it's not necessarily realistic higher,
Speaker 3: but what would his grade b if he ended up
Speaker 3: being the.
Speaker 7: Choice I'm given a but it's just not gonna happen. Yeah,
Speaker 7: it's just not gonna happen. I don't I don't see
Speaker 7: Vrayebel stepping back into a coordinator role. He doesn't need
Speaker 7: to if he did not get a head coaching opportunity.
Speaker 6: I'd be surprised if he doesn't take a year off here.
Speaker 9: I think if he got offered, ord he take it, Yeah,
Speaker 9: would be a yeah, yeah, I mean it would be
Speaker 9: a plus, no doubt about it. Outside of Isaiah's point
Speaker 9: that if you're gonna come in here to misfite people,
Speaker 9: I'm not saying he's gonna do it.
Speaker 1: That's not gonna work, you know.
Speaker 9: And and and to your point, like you could lose
Speaker 9: it before you ever implement what you what you're trying
Speaker 9: to get across.
Speaker 3: And uh.
Speaker 1: But again, the thing with him, why I don't think.
Speaker 9: He would be like that is because I think he
Speaker 9: would look at it as only one year, Like I'm
Speaker 9: just trying to do this for a year. There's gonna
Speaker 9: be good talent around me. I'm trying to get back
Speaker 9: into that head coaching cycle next year.
Speaker 8: So yes, I mean the thing is, I know I'm
Speaker 8: probably thinking about this morning a lot of others.
Speaker 5: Or maybe not.
Speaker 8: This hire is directly tied to your ability to resign Micah.
Speaker 1: Why do you say that.
Speaker 8: Micah came in under dan Quinn. Dan Quinn's gone, Okay,
Speaker 8: he loves the Cowboys. I think he loves money more yep, So.
Speaker 1: You can't you can't make he can't make any more
Speaker 1: money than he can from the Cowboys.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, so why who could give.
Speaker 1: Him more money?
Speaker 9: I mean, you're way beyond it goes it goes way
Speaker 9: beyond down the field though, I'm talking about like the
Speaker 9: money Deck Prescott makes off the field.
Speaker 1: The money you can make.
Speaker 9: Off you can't do it anywhere.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, I totally agree with you, very aware or something
Speaker 8: like that. So but you have to love where you work.
Speaker 8: You have to love where your work, especially as a player. Like,
Speaker 8: as a player, you gotta love waking up and going
Speaker 8: and sitting in meeting rooms with somebody every day, and
Speaker 8: that environment that you're in every day, you have to
Speaker 8: love that. From a player's perspective, just telling you, guys,
Speaker 8: and if you don't, life sucks.
Speaker 5: Life sucks.
Speaker 8: And you know what, I'd rather go take the check
Speaker 8: for somebody else then to sit around and deal with
Speaker 8: that every day. I'll find another way or I guess what,
Speaker 8: I'll just make my money. My money will make money. Well,
Speaker 8: I'm just I'm just telling you, Like, from the player's perspective,
Speaker 8: this hire is directly tied to whether or not the
Speaker 8: position that you're gonna put yourself in to be able
Speaker 8: to resign Micah. If it's not an environment that's that's
Speaker 8: conducive for him to thrive and to love to show
Speaker 8: up to every day, you're gonna you're gonna take a hit,
Speaker 8: and you're I'm just telling you, you're going to take
Speaker 8: a hit. You're running the risk of not bringing him back.
Speaker 9: And I understand what you're saying, but I'd also argue
Speaker 9: that we're seeing a change in the NFL from the
Speaker 9: NFL you played in. And one of the differences is is.
Speaker 1: In the coaching.
Speaker 9: And and I'm not just talking about the way that
Speaker 9: the coach is coach if I'm talking about their longevity.
Speaker 9: We've seen what Frank Wright, We've seen with Steve Wilkes.
Speaker 9: It's those days are done where you're like, oh, we
Speaker 9: got a new head coach. Oh he's gonna be here
Speaker 9: for three or four years or eleven games, or is
Speaker 9: it He's gone at the end of the year. Like
Speaker 9: so you can go sign up with somebody. I think
Speaker 9: you're getting what you what you want, and then all
Speaker 9: of a sudden it changes on you too. From what
Speaker 9: Michael Parson wants. I find it hard to believe he's
Speaker 9: gonna find that anywhere else but Dallas.
Speaker 7: I mean, honestly, a couple of floors above us. So
Speaker 7: these interviews going on, it's just pull up a chair
Speaker 7: for Micah, you know, since.
Speaker 1: You gotta build it around him.
Speaker 7: I understand where you're coming from. To a certain extent,
Speaker 7: I don't think the coordinator. I think that it's more
Speaker 7: pertinent on the coordinator higher being able to use Micah
Speaker 7: correctly rather than a piece to Micah, right, And I
Speaker 7: think I think that's probably a bigger, bigger factor you'd
Speaker 7: have to play in. I don't need a coordinator to
Speaker 7: be Micah's best friend.
Speaker 5: No, no, no, I'm not asking for that.
Speaker 8: But I'm saying about like the environment, like a dan
Speaker 8: Quinn environment, like you you knew what it.
Speaker 5: Was going to be, You're going to want to show up.
Speaker 8: I want to show up like like I want to
Speaker 8: talk to you, like I want to have like we're
Speaker 8: gonna have fun, like we're gonna be turning up on
Speaker 8: the sideline, like I want that.
Speaker 9: To his point though, if if I understand what you're saying,
Speaker 9: but to his point, if if you're putting me in
Speaker 9: the best position to have my best year, like if
Speaker 9: my because you talk about pulling up a chair right
Speaker 9: now with Micah, if I'm sitting down with any of
Speaker 9: these dcs, one of the I mean, I think the
Speaker 9: first thing I'm asking is how you use the Micae parsons.
Speaker 5: What you're playing for Mike absolutely, and.
Speaker 9: So even if the meetings might not be fun and
Speaker 9: the prices are fun, if he's putting you in position
Speaker 9: to where you're getting seventeen eighteen twenty sex he'll deal
Speaker 9: with all that.
Speaker 8: I don't disagree with you, but I just know that
Speaker 8: environment is a big part of that as well.
Speaker 4: It will be a big part of it, and that's
Speaker 4: part of why this is.
Speaker 3: Such a tough decision for the front office.
Speaker 4: And maybe they are involving Micah in that process.
Speaker 1: But I also that sound Mike McCarthy though too.
Speaker 9: I think one of the best things Mike McCarthy's done
Speaker 9: is with the environment around here. I do think that
Speaker 9: if you I prefer off the record because you'll get
Speaker 9: you would get the more truth out of players. I
Speaker 9: believe off the record you'd get glowing reviews about playing
Speaker 9: for Mike McCarthy, especially these last three years. The way
Speaker 9: he takes care of him during the week, their practice schedule,
Speaker 9: things like that, the way he treats him, the way
Speaker 9: he schedules.
Speaker 1: Meetings, things like that. He's very, very player friendly.
Speaker 9: And so I think for what you're saying, I think,
Speaker 9: top down, he's going to be the one in charge
Speaker 9: of that, so that DC is not going to be
Speaker 9: able to go in there and just be no, we're
Speaker 9: doing all this, because this way you're gonna have to
Speaker 9: kind of it's gonna Mike is the head coach, so
Speaker 9: that has the factor.
Speaker 4: In, and it does. It certainly does.
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Speaker 14: Oh?
Speaker 6: Why are you looking at me?
Speaker 4: I just felt like you would have an answer that.
Speaker 7: Size and physicality. I mean, I think that's probably the
Speaker 7: biggest thing. Consistent offensive line play, a consistent running game.
Speaker 7: I I think that's been really huge for both of
Speaker 7: these teams, especially like you've got Isaiah Pachecko, a seventh
Speaker 7: round pick, and what he's been able to do in
Speaker 7: the playoffs specifically, I mean when they need a first
Speaker 7: down ears three arts, I mean, he gets it done.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 7: I think that's definitely something that you would look at
Speaker 7: and you would hope to be able to accomplish. But
Speaker 7: I think there's more you can learn off of the
Speaker 7: Lions if you're talking about the Cowboys specifically from a
Speaker 7: running game standpoint, because they added both of those guys
Speaker 7: during the offseason, David Montgomery and Jamier Gibbs, and they
Speaker 7: were able to bring that running game to the forefront
Speaker 7: and did what they did. But I think mainly being
Speaker 7: able to just have size on both sides of the ball,
Speaker 7: offensive line play, that's the biggest thing for me.
Speaker 6: And then some guy named Patrick Mahomes.
Speaker 1: That's why it's so tough for me to even compare
Speaker 1: anything to Kansas City.
Speaker 4: It's time.
Speaker 9: I mean, if you want me to, oh, what's the
Speaker 9: kind of how do you get like kannas sty get lucky?
Speaker 9: I mean seriously, like he covers up so many things.
Speaker 9: Like you can disagree with me, but I don't know
Speaker 9: that Isaiah pa Checko has the season he's on right
Speaker 9: now if he played this year for the Cowboys, you know,
Speaker 9: I mean he's in the probably not. You know, you
Speaker 9: play with Mahomes. It opens a lot of things up
Speaker 9: for a lot of people. Makes a lot of people. Look,
Speaker 9: I mean, we're watching I sincerely believe we're watching you know,
Speaker 9: Michael Jordan, Tiger Woods, Tom Brady in their prime right now,
Speaker 9: like he is just a one off, so's whole. It's
Speaker 9: so difficult for me to compare. And Andy Reid deserves
Speaker 9: a lot of credit obviously, Like it's not like Patrick
Speaker 9: Mahomes is just going to go out there by himself.
Speaker 9: But it's so hard to compare anything and be like, well,
Speaker 9: you got to do this because this is what the
Speaker 9: Chiefs do. Okay, well give this team Mahomes and let's
Speaker 9: see what happens. Like so I look towards San Francisco
Speaker 9: and it's a lot of stuff that Isaiah said throughout
Speaker 9: the season about you know, the physicality the defense, being
Speaker 9: able to stop the run, being able to run the football.
Speaker 9: I mean, Jerry said it at the Senior Bowl. It's
Speaker 9: the being able to stop the run and being able
Speaker 9: to run the football. And it's so basic. That's leather
Speaker 9: football helmets, you know, that's whatever you know that goes
Speaker 9: back as long as the game has been around. So
Speaker 9: the Niners, when you look at it, it's like so obvious.
Speaker 9: They're this big, physical team. They've been in your way
Speaker 9: the last three years. For the Cowboys. The only way
Speaker 9: I see you've beaten them is getting better at stopping
Speaker 9: the run or running the football.
Speaker 8: Yeah, trenches, Yeah, sending it all year long. Trenches matter,
Speaker 8: and that's what you've seen in the last four teams
Speaker 8: that were in the championship games. And that's what you're
Speaker 8: seeing in the super Bowl.
Speaker 4: How you watching the game Sunday? It is a big
Speaker 4: Super Bowl event, guys.
Speaker 5: I'm gonna sit down on the couch like normal and chill.
Speaker 4: Why you ignored my event to our super Bowl party?
Speaker 4: So why you ignored the invite to the.
Speaker 5: Super Bowl party?
Speaker 8: No, I I'll be chilling, man, I'll be chilling.
Speaker 5: Enjoy.
Speaker 8: I got bout myself a TV this year, so I'm
Speaker 8: sitting with your go to food.
Speaker 5: I'm not. I don't make like a big event of it.
Speaker 5: To be honest with you, I really don't.
Speaker 3: Know smoke mac and cheese, Nope, nope.
Speaker 9: I hate the big I only want to be around
Speaker 9: like hardcore football. I have no time for anybody that
Speaker 9: wants talking about the commercials. I would prefer to watch
Speaker 9: the game by myself over being around a big group
Speaker 9: people that are want to complain to me about Taylor
Speaker 9: Swift being shown too much.
Speaker 1: I just want to watch.
Speaker 8: I literally haven't thought about the game being this week.
Speaker 8: I legitly, I haven't got that way.
Speaker 1: Do you think that is?
Speaker 5: I don't know. I really don't know.
Speaker 8: I went last year, I've went, I went to a
Speaker 8: few of the last few ones where I was down
Speaker 8: there kind of in the environment.
Speaker 5: I just feel really detached from it this year, So
Speaker 5: I don't know.
Speaker 4: It's funny I kind of feel the same way.
Speaker 3: It may be the fallout of what happened with what
Speaker 3: happened with the Cowboys as one thing for me, because
Speaker 3: I mean, we spend all seasons. We started training camp,
Speaker 3: we start even before training teams, and you're getting into
Speaker 3: it and you're talking about possibilities, you're talking about growth,
Speaker 3: you're talking about setups, and then you have it all
Speaker 3: come crashing down over the matter of two quarters. Ultimately,
Speaker 3: is what it took to take all of that work
Speaker 3: and throw it down. So yeah, I've watched the games.
Speaker 3: I've gone back and really searched what happened in the
Speaker 3: NFC and AFC Championship games. But as far as the
Speaker 3: excitement for an entertainment value of the Super Bowl this year,
Speaker 3: it's just not there for me. And maybe it's just
Speaker 3: a byproduct of that, and maybe I just needed a
Speaker 3: little bit.
Speaker 5: Of a break.
Speaker 9: I'm interested to hear other reviews are from the people
Speaker 9: that go to Las Vegas, because the way it's set up,
Speaker 9: if you've ever been to Vegas, it seems like it's
Speaker 9: like the perfect spot to host this type of event.
Speaker 9: And I would think if it got into a regular
Speaker 9: rotation of just four or five cities, it would certainly
Speaker 9: be one of those in there.
Speaker 1: So I'm interested to.
Speaker 9: Hear the feedback because I think up until that point,
Speaker 9: a lot of people talk a big about New Orleans
Speaker 9: being a great spot for it. I would completely agree
Speaker 9: about that, and then obviously I see La being in
Speaker 9: the mix all the time. But you know, for any
Speaker 9: of us that have been to that stadium, that stadium
Speaker 9: is not within walking distance. That's the thing that makes
Speaker 9: those events the best, like New Orleans like like, I
Speaker 9: could see Vegas being indies like that too for the
Speaker 9: contents Why I love the Indies that the combine staying
Speaker 9: in India for at least another year. I love when
Speaker 9: it's like walkable to the stadium, to the hotels, convention center,
Speaker 9: all that stuff like that. So I bet you the
Speaker 9: only way that Vegas won't get good reviews is if
Speaker 9: it's just so overcrowded because it's a first flooding.
Speaker 4: The flooding out there too is played a bit of
Speaker 4: an impact.
Speaker 1: And the weather isn't like great weather.
Speaker 9: It's I think in the fifties or whatever like that,
Speaker 9: but it's not, you know, seventies, eighties or whatever like that.
Speaker 1: But I do think.
Speaker 9: If you were going to the game or you were
Speaker 9: in Vegas right now, I think you probably feel a
Speaker 9: little bit different about it.
Speaker 5: I think Dallas gets another one, Oh they will, yeah,
Speaker 5: the stadium.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, yeah, Yeah, I think we'll getting their Super Bowl.
Speaker 6: Yeah, Reunion Arena exactly.
Speaker 1: No, and they build a new stadium out this way.
Speaker 9: You know something we don't know, but nothing whatever, surprise me.
Speaker 9: That's five years from now. He's start breaking around. Like
Speaker 9: in prosper.
Speaker 4: Solana Stadium up there.
Speaker 9: Imagine what would you do with AT and T Stadium
Speaker 9: if you move to Cowboys up the Arlington.
Speaker 4: Renegades would move play over there and they keep up grading.
Speaker 1: Yeah, for real champs.
Speaker 7: Jerry Jones talked about that a little bit on Sunday,
Speaker 7: which I guess can kind of segue into our talking
Speaker 7: about AT and T Stadium getting nine World Cup games.
Speaker 7: In twenty twenty six. That's gonna be a huge event.
Speaker 7: But he talked about he was asked about, do you
Speaker 7: think there's an opportunity here if you have a good
Speaker 7: run with these nine games, to have a better pitch
Speaker 7: first super Bowl next time around, And he said, yeah,
Speaker 7: we're always trying to get a Super Bowl here.
Speaker 6: So the renovations is already starting at AT and T Stadium.
Speaker 7: Whenever me and Guy went on Sunday, you can kind
Speaker 7: of see it already beginning on the outer work of
Speaker 7: AT and T.
Speaker 6: And they're gonna do a lot of work to the
Speaker 6: suite levels.
Speaker 3: As well, chairs covered and like some draping down on
Speaker 3: the field and stuff.
Speaker 7: So yeah, and Jerry Jones said, you know, ten fifteen
Speaker 7: years after the stadium has been built, you know, we're
Speaker 7: trying to continue to make it look like the newest
Speaker 7: thing out there. So I think that's kind of the
Speaker 7: intention behind getting the World Cup in Arlington as well.
Speaker 7: We'll kind of see how that plays out, but if
Speaker 7: it goes well, then you know, that's just another you know,
Speaker 7: charity point. I guess you could say onto AT and
Speaker 7: T Stadium being able to host a Super Bowl, And
Speaker 7: he compared having nine World Cup games to having nine
Speaker 7: Super Bowls, So it's it's gonna be big events.
Speaker 4: He's not far off. He's really not.
Speaker 7: I mean, when you look at the grand scheme of
Speaker 7: things and specifically what countries would be able to come
Speaker 7: and play in those games, it's gonna be a big deal.
Speaker 7: And they're gonna get an opportunity to kind of get
Speaker 7: a preface of that with the Copa America Games next summer.
Speaker 6: But yeah, it's it's gonna to be a big deal.
Speaker 3: Well, and it may not be nine Super Bowls, but
Speaker 3: it might be the four group stage matches that might
Speaker 3: be four NFC Championship Game calibers, and then you've got
Speaker 3: the final group stage match, which is going to decide
Speaker 3: who's going on.
Speaker 4: To theout stage.
Speaker 5: Be huge, honestly.
Speaker 3: Well, the semi final will be the biggest the world.
Speaker 8: People coming all over the world. That's the difference. That's
Speaker 8: the big difference. Like people forget people in America, forget
Speaker 8: how big soccer is internationally, and DFW is one of
Speaker 8: the best international airports.
Speaker 6: So yeah, semi final is going to be a huge deal.
Speaker 7: They get a semi final and I believe three other
Speaker 7: elimination games. So regardless, they're going to get some big
Speaker 7: time games.
Speaker 3: All of those will be bigger than the Super Bowl,
Speaker 3: based off of fair revenue, based off of merchandising, both
Speaker 3: based off of exposure, viewership, all of it.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it'll be big time.
Speaker 9: I don't know why, but I'm so fascinated about the
Speaker 9: whole playing surface thing because I am stars and just
Speaker 9: seeing like the renderings of what it will have to
Speaker 9: be like, because the grass will have to be built
Speaker 9: up on top of a thing that will take out
Speaker 9: like the first two or three rows of AT and
Speaker 9: T Stadium, And I just find it interesting because of
Speaker 9: the fact of, like, do we get to a point
Speaker 9: in the NFL where they require every stadium to have
Speaker 9: natural grass? I'm interested to see how. One because obviously
Speaker 9: for an NFL game you wouldn't have to build it
Speaker 9: up like that, you could have it on the playing services.
Speaker 1: But one, I'm interested to see how the grass holds up.
Speaker 9: And then two, is this something that could be sustainable
Speaker 9: going forward for the NFL because obviously all the players
Speaker 9: prefer to play on grass. Could that ever change in
Speaker 9: AT and T Stadium. I can't see it happening, but
Speaker 9: I'm interested in that whole thing, like, how are you
Speaker 9: going to have this natural grass here for nine games?
Speaker 1: And then how does it hold up?
Speaker 9: Because like for Allegiance, I'm pretty sure that when they
Speaker 9: have college games and other games, I'm pretty sure they
Speaker 9: play on turf.
Speaker 1: So like yesterday when.
Speaker 9: They did the media day thing there, I'm pretty sure
Speaker 9: they had the turf field in, so, like the actual
Speaker 9: Super Bowl field is outside because it has to be
Speaker 9: growing then the natural grass and then it like slides
Speaker 9: in kind of like Arizona Stadium does, where it grows
Speaker 9: it outside like that, and so sometimes that runs into
Speaker 9: problems because once you move it inside there can be
Speaker 9: condensation things like that, and then all of a sudden,
Speaker 9: if it's slippery and guys are all over the place.
Speaker 9: If that's going to be the case, and we'll play
Speaker 9: on turf type thing, you know, but if it's going
Speaker 9: to be sustainable, it'd be fascinating to see if this
Speaker 9: whole thing works out for them, because that's that's gonna
Speaker 9: be such a big thing for people that don't really
Speaker 9: like love soccer. It's going to be like, oh my god,
Speaker 9: like this playing service is terrible. They should never have
Speaker 9: had it at this stadium. Or that stadium or whatever
Speaker 9: like that.
Speaker 1: That's gonna be a big deal.
Speaker 6: Yeah, grass science.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's how we end up on talking grass. I
Speaker 3: mean cowboys, I mean.
Speaker 9: I don't know, they get a better expert in that
Speaker 9: field than somebody that's in this building right now, Mike McCarthy.
Speaker 9: Mike McCarthy. Yeah, if you start talking about grass with him,
Speaker 9: I mean, he can break it all down. He can
Speaker 9: tell you all different types, what kinds he prefers for, cleats,
Speaker 9: all those things like that. That's why I mean, he
Speaker 9: prefers to practice sign grass as much as possible.
Speaker 7: So yeah, I tried to come to push the the
Speaker 7: what's what's the word I'm I'm looking for push the anyway,
Speaker 7: I try to ask Jerry Jones about how much work
Speaker 7: will go into the stadium and and his walk off
Speaker 7: after the World Cup thing, and I was like, how
Speaker 7: much work is really going to go into being able
Speaker 7: to fit fee for regulations from a widening standpoint and
Speaker 7: then putting natural grass down.
Speaker 6: He's like, yoh, well, you know it's gonna be a
Speaker 6: hefty penny. Well, but we could pay the check.
Speaker 7: I was like, how much work is going to go
Speaker 7: into it? He's like it's gonna be a lot of work.
Speaker 7: And I was like, all right, a year.
Speaker 9: Right, But even be a finalist to whole host that
Speaker 9: last game, I would have I would hope that they
Speaker 9: had to have a detailed plan that was put out
Speaker 9: at the big front of whatever committee had to look
Speaker 9: at it like this is how we can make it work,
Speaker 9: because that's the thing. Like, as far as I'm concerned,
Speaker 9: because I'm not a super big soccer fan, but I'm
Speaker 9: pretty sure soccer's always played on grass, at least big
Speaker 9: games like that, Yeah, they prefer playing grassy. And so
Speaker 9: when you see some of these venues up for it
Speaker 9: that are technically indoors, you're just kind of like, okay,
Speaker 9: well that's got to be a stretch for them to
Speaker 9: be willing to be like, oh yeah, no, no, we'll
Speaker 9: host it here inside. Like I mean, yeah, that's a
Speaker 9: big deal.
Speaker 4: It is a big deal. We can't wait to see
Speaker 4: how it really turns out.
Speaker 3: And really what the new ounces of this World Cup
Speaker 3: are gonna look like.
Speaker 1: But we do know you guys think you'll go to
Speaker 1: any games?
Speaker 4: Oh heck, yeah, I'm going to games. I've already told
Speaker 4: my wife.
Speaker 1: I was like, we're going to bankrupt to get there,
Speaker 1: the children.
Speaker 5: It happened.
Speaker 4: To get all five of us there. It's done.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sorry, college funds, it's over with. We will
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