WEBVTT - Talkin’ Cowboys: Options at DC? 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:02.800 The following. 0:00:02.880 --> 0:00:04.800 He is a production of Dallas Cowboys dot Com and 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:06.600 the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:16.360 Cowboys. This He's Talking Cowboys Straining live from the Dallas 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:19.640 Cowboys World Tours at the Star in Frisco. 0:00:19.920 --> 0:00:30.960 Straight tydown and now your hosts, Isaiah Standback, Nick Harris, 0:00:31.400 --> 0:00:34.160 John Mashoda, and Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:36.680 --> 0:00:39.760 It's an off season addition of Talking Cowboys, presented by 0:00:39.800 --> 0:00:43.080 a Black Rifle Coffee Company, live from the Star in Frisco, 0:00:43.159 --> 0:00:45.560 Texas and the SWBC studios. 0:00:45.600 --> 0:00:48.800 Welcome in, everybody. We've got the full crew ready to roll. 0:00:48.880 --> 0:00:52.000 Lots to talk about here in this Dallas Cowboys offseason. 0:00:52.280 --> 0:00:55.240 Isaiah's standing back, John Machoda, Nick Harris, Chris Beam in 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:56.760 the back. I'm Kyle Yeomans. 0:00:56.840 --> 0:00:57.120 Gentlemen. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.240 How are we doing today, Isaiah? 0:00:58.320 --> 0:00:58.600 Hello? 0:00:59.240 --> 0:00:59.720 How's it going? 0:00:59.760 --> 0:01:01.280 Man? Good man? How are you doing? Good? 0:01:01.640 --> 0:01:02.240 Good? John? 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.840 Everything good, Everything's great, No complaints? 0:01:04.959 --> 0:01:07.360 Yeah, yeah, the swing of offseason. 0:01:07.400 --> 0:01:09.760 I guess you're really getting into the mix of it now, 0:01:10.040 --> 0:01:12.199 which is tough because the super Bowl week, but yeah, 0:01:12.240 --> 0:01:14.679 you're really entrenched in the off season now, so good stuff. 0:01:14.720 --> 0:01:15.640 We have a lot to talk about too. 0:01:15.720 --> 0:01:18.480 I still feel like this week, you're gonna see just 0:01:18.560 --> 0:01:21.120 how much fun it was for the Chiefs and the 0:01:21.120 --> 0:01:23.880 forty nine ers and what their fan bases are getting 0:01:23.920 --> 0:01:25.839 new experience right now. And it's gonna hurt a little 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:28.000 bit if you're Cowboys fans, if you're out there and 0:01:28.040 --> 0:01:30.240 you're still thinking back to the Packers, you're thinking it 0:01:30.280 --> 0:01:32.320 back to that wildcard loss. 0:01:32.319 --> 0:01:33.360 It's gonna hurt a little bit. 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:36.839 And then that sting will go away gradually after this week, 0:01:36.880 --> 0:01:38.640 but up until this week, it won't be there. 0:01:38.760 --> 0:01:39.399 It's gonna be there. 0:01:39.800 --> 0:01:41.800 Pockets are heavier than they wouldn't than what they would 0:01:41.840 --> 0:01:43.839 have been had you went to Vegas, dude, for real, 0:01:43.920 --> 0:01:45.319 because those rooms are not cheap. 0:01:45.520 --> 0:01:45.759 Yeah. 0:01:45.920 --> 0:01:47.880 Yeah, did you try and get out there this year? 0:01:47.960 --> 0:01:50.920 I tried to get a hotel room the day after 0:01:51.360 --> 0:01:54.000 last year Super Bowl, Okay, and the rates were already crazy. 0:01:54.240 --> 0:01:55.680 Oh man, wasn't that wild? 0:01:55.880 --> 0:01:56.080 Wow? 0:01:56.200 --> 0:01:57.840 I mean it's the first time in Vegas, so it's 0:01:57.880 --> 0:01:59.200 gonna be it's insane. 0:01:59.440 --> 0:01:59.680 Yeah. 0:01:59.720 --> 0:02:01.440 I know people with a lot of a lot of 0:02:01.520 --> 0:02:03.560 a lot of money. I know individuals with a lot 0:02:03.600 --> 0:02:06.600 of money. They're staying at the Golden Nugget, talking flying down, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.040 flying down there private and having to stay at the 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:14.320 Golden Nugget. I should tell you exactly no but private 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:18.400 private jet. Yeah, Golden Nugget. But before we get too crazy, 0:02:18.440 --> 0:02:19.959 I have to have to get the shot out real quick. Okay, 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:24.000 today's my wife's fortieth birthday. Oh make shout out to that. 0:02:24.360 --> 0:02:26.040 She's not here. She's out of town doing some uh 0:02:26.200 --> 0:02:27.119 some nonprofit work. 0:02:27.160 --> 0:02:31.000 But oh wow, but she's giving even on. 0:02:30.639 --> 0:02:32.799 On her birthday, her birthday. That's really cool, pretty dope. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:33.000 That's all. 0:02:33.080 --> 0:02:34.639 Y'all had a nice little get together this. 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:36.000 Week, and yeah, we turn up a little bit. 0:02:36.080 --> 0:02:38.200 Yeah yeah, let your boy get a little energy drink 0:02:38.240 --> 0:02:41.640 in the system, because that's it. That's the only I 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.880 could live rigging my knee, that's all. 0:02:44.919 --> 0:02:45.919 It takes some energy drink. 0:02:46.080 --> 0:02:47.399 That's all. I need one energy drink. 0:02:47.400 --> 0:02:49.519 Bro, don't give me too rifle coffee. Don't give me 0:02:49.520 --> 0:02:51.320 two energy drinks. If I get three, I might be 0:02:51.360 --> 0:02:52.840 streaking through the quad in the coliseum. 0:02:52.960 --> 0:02:56.400 I think, I think at your water. I got your 0:02:56.400 --> 0:02:58.920 birthday dinner in Seattle during the preseason. You had had 0:02:58.919 --> 0:02:59.960 two red bulls and all. 0:03:01.880 --> 0:03:04.040 Yeah, we actually I actually kept a pretty chill that night. 0:03:04.840 --> 0:03:06.520 We had work. 0:03:06.760 --> 0:03:08.720 What you'd be like, if you mix a little bit 0:03:08.720 --> 0:03:12.200 of some spirits in there, spirits, spirits, you haven't really 0:03:12.200 --> 0:03:13.600 lived until you mix that red bull. 0:03:13.520 --> 0:03:17.160 Or something else. Somebody's trying to do that to me before, 0:03:17.160 --> 0:03:17.880 and I smelled it. 0:03:17.960 --> 0:03:19.720 Yeah, I ordered a red bull and it came back 0:03:19.720 --> 0:03:24.000 into glass and I was like, that's not just red bull. 0:03:24.639 --> 0:03:26.160 A lot of if you go to a bar and 0:03:26.200 --> 0:03:29.639 you order just a red bull, they sometimes will actually 0:03:29.760 --> 0:03:33.600 think you're thinking, that's like a normal thing. I don't 0:03:33.639 --> 0:03:37.800 think you should be my buddy, but my body's my temple. 0:03:37.840 --> 0:03:39.880 Good job, Thank you. 0:03:39.960 --> 0:03:40.400 There you go. 0:03:40.960 --> 0:03:42.880 All right, We've got plenty of news and notes to 0:03:42.880 --> 0:03:43.160 get to. 0:03:43.280 --> 0:03:46.320 Of course, there's a lot of buzz around the defensive 0:03:46.320 --> 0:03:50.040 coordinator position interviews starting yesterday. According to Jerry Jones, nine 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:52.880 am Central Time is when he said it got going. Nick, 0:03:53.000 --> 0:03:55.400 Do you did you hear anything based off of how 0:03:55.440 --> 0:03:58.200 those interviews went, who those interviews were with, and where 0:03:58.240 --> 0:03:59.320 the direction could be headed. 0:03:59.400 --> 0:04:00.800 Yeah, those interviews are still ongoing. 0:04:00.800 --> 0:04:02.680 I don't think anything conclusive is going to come out 0:04:02.680 --> 0:04:06.520 of anything until probably after tomorrow at the earliest. But yeah, 0:04:06.640 --> 0:04:09.040 interviewing candidates for replace dan Quins since the last time 0:04:09.040 --> 0:04:10.840 we talked to Dan Quinn taking the head coaching job 0:04:10.880 --> 0:04:14.000 with the Commanders. Really fascinating how that all kind of 0:04:14.000 --> 0:04:16.920 came together so quickly. And then Joe Witt Junior over 0:04:16.960 --> 0:04:20.279 the weekend following him as his defensive coordinator. So the 0:04:20.279 --> 0:04:22.920 Cowboys do lose one assistant and one potential candidate in 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:25.760 their defensive coordinator search. He was slated to have an 0:04:25.800 --> 0:04:28.280 interview on Monday, but he took the burden hand and 0:04:28.320 --> 0:04:30.040 went ahead and take the defensive coordinator job with the 0:04:30.040 --> 0:04:30.719 Watch Commanders. 0:04:30.760 --> 0:04:31.640 I can't blame him for that. 0:04:32.279 --> 0:04:34.480 And now you as far as in house candidates, you 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:36.520 look at eight and Dirty defensive line coach. You look 0:04:36.520 --> 0:04:40.080 at Al Harris defensive backs coach. Outside candidates, you look 0:04:40.120 --> 0:04:42.400 at Mike Zimmer, you look at Ron Rivera. Those are 0:04:42.440 --> 0:04:44.040 two that are in the building this week. It wouldn't 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:46.719 surprise me if there's a candidate or two more that 0:04:46.720 --> 0:04:48.919 they bring into interview just to kind of throw in 0:04:48.960 --> 0:04:51.680 some parody and you know, really kind of widen the 0:04:51.680 --> 0:04:54.280 scope on this entire search. But as of right now, 0:04:54.279 --> 0:04:55.760 those are the names that are being thrown out. 0:04:56.240 --> 0:04:57.440 I like them. 0:04:57.480 --> 0:05:01.440 Mike Zimmer idea, I really do I want to start 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:05.200 with that. I think bringing him in would be an 0:05:05.240 --> 0:05:08.839 interesting pairing with Mike McCarthy, the two half chemistry together. 0:05:09.320 --> 0:05:11.440 Zimmer from his head coaching days, has a history of 0:05:11.480 --> 0:05:14.640 putting together good defenses, and his defensive coordinator days has 0:05:14.680 --> 0:05:17.720 a history of putting in good defenses. But the difference 0:05:17.760 --> 0:05:20.760 for me is what he brings whenever he's running a defense, 0:05:20.839 --> 0:05:24.839 and that's physicality, size and really focusing on stopping the run. 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:28.240 And I think later in his later days in Minnesota 0:05:28.240 --> 0:05:30.480 that kind of bid him because they were giving up 0:05:30.520 --> 0:05:32.640 so much in the passing game. But I trust with 0:05:32.640 --> 0:05:35.480 what Dallas has personnel wise to be able to limit 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:37.800 the passing game. I want to be able to have 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:40.000 a coordinator that will focus on being able to stop 0:05:40.040 --> 0:05:41.560 the run and keep things in the backfield. And I 0:05:41.600 --> 0:05:43.880 think that's exactly what this team needs. I think that's 0:05:43.920 --> 0:05:47.000 what Mike Zimmer brings. But that's just my opinion. What 0:05:47.080 --> 0:05:48.360 do you think based off that? 0:05:48.360 --> 0:05:49.640 I think those all valid points. 0:05:49.760 --> 0:05:52.680 I think, yeah, I mean Zimmer in terms of his 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:57.080 resume and what he's done as a defensive coach, he 0:05:57.160 --> 0:05:59.320 speaks for itself. I think his defenses have always been 0:05:59.400 --> 0:06:01.520 highly respect I think the players that play for him 0:06:01.760 --> 0:06:04.280 hold him in high regard. He's a no nonsense type 0:06:04.279 --> 0:06:07.960 of guy. That's the one aspect that worries me a 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:11.719 little bit about him coming to Dallas is because I'm 0:06:11.720 --> 0:06:16.200 not sure how that style of coaching works with this 0:06:16.320 --> 0:06:20.040 generation of athlete. That's literally my concern as we as 0:06:20.040 --> 0:06:21.800 it pertains to some of the some of these really 0:06:21.800 --> 0:06:24.000 good coaches and even Bill Belichick, you know, I mean 0:06:24.040 --> 0:06:27.359 Coach Belichick obviously the goat and coaching is highly regarded 0:06:27.400 --> 0:06:30.520 it and as that, but his style of coaching might 0:06:30.560 --> 0:06:35.279 be the reason why he doesn't have a job right now. Players, 0:06:36.000 --> 0:06:37.920 you know what I'm just saying, Like players, players are 0:06:37.960 --> 0:06:40.840 more sensitive to hard coaching. 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:43.520 Now, that's just the reality that we're in. That's across 0:06:43.600 --> 0:06:44.279 the scope. 0:06:44.279 --> 0:06:46.919 That's not just football, that's in all you sports and 0:06:47.080 --> 0:06:50.680 all the way up to the NFL sports at times. Yeah, 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:56.640 it's just they're just not able to for in a majority, right, 0:06:56.800 --> 0:06:59.680 majority of the athletes that we that we now are 0:06:59.720 --> 0:07:03.400 around don't receive that type of coaching will So I'm 0:07:03.400 --> 0:07:07.680 not sure how that personality would do with his locker room. 0:07:07.720 --> 0:07:07.840 Now. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:10.560 Can he change it, absolutely, But in terms of reception 0:07:11.400 --> 0:07:13.080 That's what I'm more concerned about in terms of that 0:07:13.120 --> 0:07:13.880 locker room field. 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:19.160 I kind of wonder though, what factors in with Mike Zimmer. 0:07:19.640 --> 0:07:22.640 And then also Bill Belichick now looks like he possibly 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:24.880 could have a full season not to be coaching. I 0:07:24.920 --> 0:07:27.080 wonder how much of that, like Mike Zimmer not coaching, 0:07:27.120 --> 0:07:30.360 factors into that. Listening to dan Quin's press conference yesterday 0:07:30.720 --> 0:07:33.120 in Washington talking about how, you know, when he got 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:35.720 fired in Atlanta, I gave him some time to sit 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:38.600 back and kind of, you know, adjust some things, maybe 0:07:38.640 --> 0:07:39.880 change some things that he did before. 0:07:39.920 --> 0:07:41.680 Gave him a little time to think perspective. 0:07:41.840 --> 0:07:43.880 Yeah, and I could see that being the same case 0:07:43.880 --> 0:07:46.240 of Mike Zimmer because everything you said I agree with. 0:07:46.320 --> 0:07:48.920 But I also think that he has to know that too. 0:07:49.240 --> 0:07:51.480 So if he's just coming in trying to just do 0:07:51.520 --> 0:07:53.880 the same exact stuff he was doing before, he's got 0:07:53.880 --> 0:07:55.320 to know that that he's going to have to change 0:07:55.320 --> 0:07:58.480 some things. Yeah, but yeah, I agree. I agree with 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:00.640 everything that Nick said. I the sake of the show, 0:08:00.680 --> 0:08:02.600 I wish I could disagree because it makes for a 0:08:02.600 --> 0:08:05.200 better conversation, but I do. I do think he's the 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:06.560 best because I think it comes down to him or 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:10.040 round Rivera. Yeah, and I like I like the Zimmer higher. 0:08:10.120 --> 0:08:12.200 I think that that fits with Mike McCarthy where they're at. 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:14.680 And then in terms of the Joe Witt going over 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:17.800 to Washington, I think that's good for everyone because here's 0:08:17.880 --> 0:08:20.360 here's the thing that I feel like is you don't 0:08:20.360 --> 0:08:22.440 want to be bringing in a new defensive coordinator and 0:08:22.440 --> 0:08:24.800 then just being like, yeah, so you're a guy, but 0:08:25.360 --> 0:08:27.120 you got to take all these assistants with you, like 0:08:27.200 --> 0:08:28.920 these all these You're gonna have to coach with these 0:08:28.960 --> 0:08:31.280 assistants like you want your if you're hiring a new DC, 0:08:31.440 --> 0:08:33.640 you want that person to be able to bring in 0:08:33.840 --> 0:08:37.400 some of their own coaches too. So I'm not saying 0:08:37.440 --> 0:08:39.720 that Joe Witt couldn't have worked with Mike Zimmer round Rivera. 0:08:39.720 --> 0:08:40.480 So obviously he could. 0:08:40.520 --> 0:08:42.440 But you're gonna want that coach to bring in some 0:08:42.480 --> 0:08:45.400 people that he feels comfortable with too, that he's worked 0:08:45.400 --> 0:08:47.880 with before, that he you know, trusts that you know, 0:08:47.920 --> 0:08:50.040 have been been close to him. And so I do 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.640 think it comes down to those two, and I would 0:08:51.640 --> 0:08:53.360 be leaning more towards Mike Zimmer. 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:56.600 So how does the assistant's positions work now on the 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.640 defense side of the ball. Contractually, I remember you guys 0:08:59.640 --> 0:09:02.960 saying something about you can't leave unless they get upgraded 0:09:03.120 --> 0:09:04.080 or money's more. 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:06.640 Commanders can really only take one, and they took Joe 0:09:06.640 --> 0:09:08.880 at junior. The question I have, and the thing that 0:09:08.880 --> 0:09:10.520 I haven't got a ton of clarity on which y'all 0:09:10.559 --> 0:09:12.160 might be able to give a little bit more to, 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:14.840 is let's say they want to take Al Harris. Can 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.120 they give him a co defensive coordinator position and it 0:09:17.160 --> 0:09:17.880 would still work? 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:19.000 Probably? 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:20.959 Yeah, Yeah, I think that's the way it would have 0:09:21.040 --> 0:09:22.760 to work. They'd have to give him a title that 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:24.880 would be above what he what he has right now. 0:09:25.000 --> 0:09:27.800 Well, and that's that's if he remains under contract with 0:09:27.840 --> 0:09:30.120 the Cowboys. Let's say Mike Zimmer comes in and he 0:09:30.160 --> 0:09:32.920 wants to redo the staff completely, then those guys are 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:35.360 free to sign elsewhere regardless. So that's how a lot 0:09:35.440 --> 0:09:37.480 of the coaching carousel works is if you bring in 0:09:37.520 --> 0:09:40.520 your guys, you bring in these candidates and then they're. 0:09:40.360 --> 0:09:41.320 Free to go elsewhere. 0:09:41.360 --> 0:09:44.080 But I don't see anybody, whether it's Ron Rivera, whether 0:09:44.120 --> 0:09:46.800 it's Mike Zimmer or any other coming in here and 0:09:46.840 --> 0:09:49.720 saying Al Harris, listen, thank you for your service. 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:52.920 Contractually, contractly, are they once you, once you make a 0:09:52.920 --> 0:09:55.800 new defensive coordinator hired, does their contracts now have the 0:09:55.840 --> 0:09:57.920 freedom to just get up and walk away or how 0:09:57.920 --> 0:09:58.680 does that work. 0:09:58.480 --> 0:10:02.040 Now they're contracted with Team Team. Yeah, so it's a 0:10:02.040 --> 0:10:03.280 little bit confusing. 0:10:03.360 --> 0:10:04.719 That's why. Yeah, that's why I wanted to come in. 0:10:04.840 --> 0:10:07.440 Yeah, they can request to interview guys, but that the 0:10:07.480 --> 0:10:10.720 Cowboys can block that. Yeah, And just kind of looking 0:10:10.760 --> 0:10:12.680 at the landscape and how things have kind of moved 0:10:12.720 --> 0:10:16.240 quickly with all of the other coordinator fillings as head 0:10:16.240 --> 0:10:18.440 coaching and carousel has kind of gone through its cycle. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:20.040 It would be tough to be able to fill a 0:10:20.080 --> 0:10:22.760 staff with certain assistance being out of the building. So 0:10:23.160 --> 0:10:25.319 whoever that new defensive coordinator coming in, if they want 0:10:25.360 --> 0:10:27.120 to bring in guys, they better have it ready to go. 0:10:27.600 --> 0:10:30.800 And you know, hopefully the people that would be let 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.840 go are kind of done right in that instance. But 0:10:33.640 --> 0:10:36.320 you know one candidate that I heard on the on 0:10:36.400 --> 0:10:38.520 social media last week that I just have to bring up. 0:10:38.520 --> 0:10:40.480 It was from a certain account on this on this 0:10:40.600 --> 0:10:45.400 table was Rex Ryan. I'm gonna give you the chance 0:10:45.440 --> 0:10:49.400 to just speak on why before we we. 0:10:49.000 --> 0:10:51.080 Told con Let's give some context here. 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:55.000 So, yeah, last week, we're sitting around and of course 0:10:55.000 --> 0:10:58.920 the dat yeah we were talking about we were we 0:10:59.120 --> 0:11:02.000 had the conversation of dan Quinn leaving, and then very 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:02.960 quickly after. 0:11:02.760 --> 0:11:05.480 The show was over it the news broke was dan 0:11:05.559 --> 0:11:06.360 Quinn's moving on. 0:11:06.800 --> 0:11:09.240 Well, Isaiah, knowing that you only got these forty five 0:11:09.280 --> 0:11:11.760 minutes a week now, you had been limited in the 0:11:11.800 --> 0:11:12.240 way that. 0:11:12.200 --> 0:11:14.680 You can you can share your opinion. 0:11:15.160 --> 0:11:18.160 You hopped on Twitter, you put together a video and 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:20.840 you said, this is the guy I want, says her 0:11:20.960 --> 0:11:22.560 next defense coordinator. 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.520 Stand behind that Steel, still stand behind that. The name 0:11:25.600 --> 0:11:28.800 popped up, Rex Ryan, still stand behind that. 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.400 I can't tell you how quickly Nick and I like 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:32.880 immediately looked at each other. 0:11:32.720 --> 0:11:34.280 And so we're like, what is Isaiah doing? 0:11:34.320 --> 0:11:34.720 That's okay? 0:11:34.920 --> 0:11:37.000 Actually had a did you have more than one red 0:11:37.000 --> 0:11:38.480 Bull or an energy dream? 0:11:38.520 --> 0:11:39.920 I still stand behind that statement. 0:11:40.120 --> 0:11:42.120 I actually have one question to add that I would 0:11:42.120 --> 0:11:44.360 love for you to incorporate your answer. What was the 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:46.079 game that you played when you were with the Patriots 0:11:46.120 --> 0:11:47.640 and made you think the Rex Ryan was good? 0:11:47.880 --> 0:11:48.360 Preparation? 0:11:48.559 --> 0:11:53.640 Preparation, So like sitting in those meeting rooms with with 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.559 Bill O'Brien and Tom Brady and having to watch film 0:11:57.600 --> 0:12:00.160 trying to prepare for a game against Rex. Ryan was 0:12:00.200 --> 0:12:02.440 the most difficult thing out of any team I've ever 0:12:02.480 --> 0:12:04.080 prepared for when he was coaching. 0:12:04.080 --> 0:12:07.640 When he was coaching the Jets, hands down, regardless of personnel. 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:09.600 I was about to say the personnel on that Jets. 0:12:09.480 --> 0:12:12.040 Defense was regardless of personal ski scheme. 0:12:12.280 --> 0:12:14.240 I mean they made back to back AFC title. 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:16.920 Games with mar I'll just tell you from skiing, I 0:12:16.960 --> 0:12:18.520 know there's a personality and the feed and all that 0:12:18.520 --> 0:12:21.040 stuff that comes with it. I think I truly and 0:12:21.080 --> 0:12:24.360 honestly believe that he's able to connect with. 0:12:24.440 --> 0:12:27.880 This generation of player with his personality. I truly do. 0:12:28.040 --> 0:12:32.600 High energy guy, still discipline, allows guys to be themselves right, 0:12:32.640 --> 0:12:34.600 the feed right, whatever it is right. But he's humble 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:37.320 enough to be at that level with them, but still 0:12:37.360 --> 0:12:39.920 demand excellence right and hard work and all that stuff. 0:12:40.200 --> 0:12:43.960 But also again, havn't been in the league and haven't 0:12:43.960 --> 0:12:45.200 been in a lot of meter rooms with a lot 0:12:45.200 --> 0:12:47.560 of great players and seeing the preparation and coaches. I've 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:53.600 never seen any offensive coordinator, head coach, quarterback have to 0:12:53.640 --> 0:12:56.960 prepare more for any other decordinator outside of Rex Ryan. 0:12:57.480 --> 0:12:59.960 Hands down, the stuff that he was bringing to the table, 0:13:00.080 --> 0:13:01.560 the stuff that he was doing in the games was 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:05.280 absolutely insane and with the personnel that doubts. 0:13:05.559 --> 0:13:07.120 Did you ever play the Patriots in your career? 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.560 Yeah, it was with the Giants, Okay. 0:13:10.080 --> 0:13:11.600 I just can't believe that in. 0:13:11.480 --> 0:13:12.160 A Super Bowl. 0:13:12.240 --> 0:13:15.319 Yeah, I just can't believe that Rex Ryan would be 0:13:15.400 --> 0:13:17.400 higher than Bill Belichrack. When he was in his bag, 0:13:18.200 --> 0:13:20.559 everybody used to just talk about constantly how it was 0:13:20.600 --> 0:13:22.320 like week to week, like I can't believe, like this 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:24.400 guy just does it way different than everybody else, Like 0:13:24.480 --> 0:13:24.960 every week. 0:13:25.200 --> 0:13:27.839 Real stuff wasn't complicated, It wasn't like it wasn't like 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:29.720 you know what I'm saying, Like guys were disciplined, right, 0:13:29.880 --> 0:13:31.080 and guys did their job. 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:31.880 Yeah right. 0:13:32.080 --> 0:13:35.160 But Rex's stuff was just out of this world, out 0:13:35.200 --> 0:13:37.800 the box, water boy, out the green book type stuff, 0:13:37.800 --> 0:13:39.080 you know what I'm saying, Like, what the heck is 0:13:39.080 --> 0:13:41.000 a one five to five defense? Like who the heck 0:13:41.080 --> 0:13:43.600 draws this up? Like what is this personnel grouping that's 0:13:43.600 --> 0:13:45.640 out here? Like just stuff that's off the wall, And 0:13:45.720 --> 0:13:48.760 I I can appreciate that with the personnel that's on 0:13:48.840 --> 0:13:53.880 this roster currently. Because the challenge that you have by 0:13:53.880 --> 0:13:55.559 bringing the defensive coordinator, you have to bring in a 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.520 defensive coordinator that that not only has a good track record, 0:13:58.800 --> 0:14:00.560 but you have to bring in a as a coordinator 0:14:00.559 --> 0:14:02.760 who can connect with your players that are currently on 0:14:02.800 --> 0:14:05.520 your roster because you can't turn your roster over. Along 0:14:05.559 --> 0:14:07.440 with that, you also have a challenge of bringing in 0:14:07.440 --> 0:14:10.600 a defensive coordinator who has a scheme that's similar enough 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.080 to what you've already been running because the personnel that 0:14:13.120 --> 0:14:16.040 associates with that. You can't turn your roster over in 0:14:16.080 --> 0:14:18.679 one year. You don't want to have a rebuild, so 0:14:18.800 --> 0:14:20.200 you have to deal with what you have. 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:20.480 Now. 0:14:20.520 --> 0:14:22.480 There's gonna be guys that come and go, but the 0:14:22.480 --> 0:14:24.720 core is still your core, right, So you can't all 0:14:24.720 --> 0:14:26.000 of a sudden come in here and think that you're 0:14:26.000 --> 0:14:28.600 about to just run a three four right, or you know, 0:14:28.680 --> 0:14:30.280 whatever it might be like. You have to go with 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.360 what you have primarily on your roster. So when you 0:14:33.360 --> 0:14:35.320 look about that, you look about what type of coaches 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.160 have the flexibility and the creativity to be able to 0:14:38.200 --> 0:14:41.480 do that right. Much like much like Dan Queen, came in, 0:14:41.480 --> 0:14:43.120 it was like, all right, I'm running three safeties. We're like, 0:14:43.120 --> 0:14:46.680 what the heck is, No, nobody runs three safeties. He did, right, 0:14:46.880 --> 0:14:48.720 That's what worked for him. It was off the wall, 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:50.440 but it worked for him, right, and they continue that 0:14:50.440 --> 0:14:51.560 through his whole tenure here. 0:14:51.640 --> 0:14:52.640 So when I think. 0:14:52.480 --> 0:14:55.760 About Rex, like that, not Rob but Rex, Like, that's 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:59.600 what I think about, high energy, discipline, right off the wall, 0:15:00.040 --> 0:15:02.760 big personality in Dallas, can connect with the players and 0:15:02.800 --> 0:15:05.320 can and creative enough to have those guys around. And 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:06.560 I know there's a lot of other stuff that goes 0:15:06.560 --> 0:15:09.200 along with him. Yeah, but I like him and I 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:10.240 like what he brings to the table. 0:15:10.440 --> 0:15:12.360 I love all the elements that you're giving, and I 0:15:12.400 --> 0:15:14.640 agree with you that a coordinator that will be brought 0:15:14.640 --> 0:15:15.400 in needs. 0:15:15.120 --> 0:15:16.240 To have those elements. 0:15:16.280 --> 0:15:18.800 But there's one missing element that has to be had 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:22.560 that trust with your head coach. Your head coach has 0:15:22.600 --> 0:15:25.680 to trust who you're bringing in, even if it is 0:15:25.720 --> 0:15:27.360 for the year and it's the final year of Mike 0:15:27.440 --> 0:15:30.680 McCarthy's deal and you have this one year hanging over 0:15:30.720 --> 0:15:32.680 Mike McCarthy. He's not going to hire somebody he's not 0:15:32.680 --> 0:15:35.520 going to trust and Rex Ryan very much so. Since 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:38.920 he's been out of the league, has has downgraded and 0:15:39.760 --> 0:15:45.760 been against Mike McCarthy very vocally on TV. On his 0:15:45.920 --> 0:15:48.760 television shows on Sunday Countdown or whatever the show is 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:52.000 that he's on, he's been very adamant about how he 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.520 disagrees with Mike McCarthy and he has downgraded Mike McCarthy. 0:15:55.600 --> 0:15:58.240 I get it sometimes and I get it. Trust me, 0:15:58.280 --> 0:15:58.680 I get it. 0:15:58.720 --> 0:16:04.560 But I prevalence his job Isaiah at all. 0:16:04.920 --> 0:16:06.480 No, no, no, he wants the TV job. 0:16:07.920 --> 0:16:09.080 To create opening here. 0:16:09.320 --> 0:16:11.880 I've been here, I've been I've been on the thirteen 0:16:11.880 --> 0:16:13.840 and three. I've been on the thirteen and three Cowboys 0:16:13.920 --> 0:16:17.920 roster where two coaches disagree but then get to where 0:16:17.920 --> 0:16:22.280 you Jason Jason Garrett and coach Phillips did not see I. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:25.200 There was a there was a disrespect that was going on. 0:16:25.280 --> 0:16:28.280 There was communication bears, it was obvious the team knew 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:30.240 that there was a huge divide. So I've been in 0:16:30.280 --> 0:16:33.800 that environment before and it worked out perfectly fine. You 0:16:33.800 --> 0:16:36.160 didn't want a certain where you're at today, That's where 0:16:36.360 --> 0:16:38.080 you know what I'm saying. But what I'm saying, but 0:16:38.120 --> 0:16:39.920