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Speaker 1: the TV show which currently not a sponsor in any way. UM,

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Speaker 1: which is a shame and really dropped the ball in

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Speaker 1: my opinion. But here we are anyway, so maybe they

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Speaker 1: were smarter. Um. There will be spoilers for the first

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Speaker 1: There you go, And yeah, there's a whole lot of flips,

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Speaker 1: and as we know, when it comes to made for

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Speaker 1: Um like, there's four parts to your world would be

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Speaker 1: that's essentially sums me up. If you've noticed these come

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Speaker 1: I know it's kind of confusing, but essentially this is

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Speaker 1: but the people are the ones you should be you're

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Speaker 1: when it comes to like for this example, they were

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Speaker 1: all things that I've like ranted Samantha zero off about

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Speaker 1: who do they get vengeance on? Um, that's a big

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Speaker 1: line I always bring up and kill Bill in the

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Speaker 1: beginning when she's like, one day you can grow up

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Speaker 1: and get revenge against me, like that cycle. Neil Juckman,

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Speaker 1: barely in there, So I am interested to see what

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Speaker 1: But certainly the idea of loneliness, it was really important,

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Speaker 1: And then I did have the wondrous delight of watching

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Speaker 1: the first three episodes because the fourth one hadn't come

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Speaker 1: it and very much enjoyed, very much enjoyed UM and

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Speaker 1: the episode with the previous episode with Bell and Frank

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Speaker 1: had already been there. Like we said, they kind of

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Speaker 1: they targeted Nico Parker, they targeted Bella Ramsey, but this

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Speaker 1: they did come out to review bomb that EPI so

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Speaker 1: don't I am dB specifically, but I was hardened to

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Speaker 1: see a bunch of people, I believe like a Reddit

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Speaker 1: group or something came out and kind of reversed were

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Speaker 1: posting all these positive reviews to sort of combat at

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Speaker 1: And I am loving the videos people are sending me

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Speaker 1: of people really embracing that relationship, like I showed you

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Speaker 1: one where they're like playing it and I like Taylor

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Speaker 1: Swift Days like a montage of Billet frame. And then somebody,

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Speaker 1: a friend who I had shown it to just this

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Speaker 1: of somebody slowly being like going from like don't let

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Speaker 1: him into your house, no, if that's ridiculous, to like,

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Speaker 1: don't let him go, which true love cry. I have

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Speaker 1: loved it, so thanks to everybody who sit me those

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Speaker 1: I do enjoy it. Oh okay, Well, so up next,

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Speaker 1: I think, oh gosh, I'm so excited. Henry and Sam

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Speaker 1: much alluded to Bloater. I think it's gonna be a

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Speaker 1: good but we'll see. Yeah, it's gonna be emotional. It's

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Speaker 1: it a week from now. But I do want to

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Speaker 1: leave with a pun. I'm just gonna flip. I'm just

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Speaker 1: gonna flip to her random page and pick. And if

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Speaker 1: this actually doesn't exist. No, but I'm this much of

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Speaker 1: a nerd that I bought it for my love puns.

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Speaker 1: So basically, in the game, you can ask Ellie to

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Speaker 1: keep telling you puns until she runs out, but it's

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Speaker 1: an optional thing, like you have to go up to

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Speaker 1: I of course did every single pun because I love

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Speaker 1: puns and I was just curious. All right, A book

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Speaker 1: just fell on my head. I only have my shelf

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Speaker 1: to blame. I only have myself to blame. Yes, but

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Speaker 1: asked me to read it. So you know, there you go.

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Speaker 1: Maybe we can get upon an episode. Oh my gosh, listeners,

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Speaker 1: would you be into that? No, that's too bad. As

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Speaker 1: Ellie says, you can never escape Will Livingston story true

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Speaker 1: story all right, well, I hope that you're enjoying these

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Speaker 1: whether you watch the show or care about it at

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Speaker 1: all or not, And there will be more puns, more recaps,

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Speaker 1: more discussion in the meantime. If you have any thoughts,

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Speaker 1: if you have any puns, oh my goodness, you can

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Speaker 1: at I heart media dot com. You can find us

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Speaker 1: on Twitter at momstuf podcast, or on Instagram and TikTok

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Speaker 1: and stuff I've Never told you. Thanks as always to

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Speaker 1: our super producer Christina, You're the best. Christina, Yes and

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Speaker 1: need and thanks to you for listening. Stephane never told

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Speaker 1: you his protection by heart Radio. For more podcast from

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