WEBVTT - I Choose ... Spiraling Upwards with Dr Paul Conti 0:00:01.639 --> 0:00:08.840 You're listening to I Choose Me with Jenny Girl. Welcome 0:00:08.840 --> 0:00:10.959 back to I Choose Me. I am back with doctor 0:00:10.960 --> 0:00:14.760 Paul Conti, author of What's Going Right, diving a little 0:00:14.840 --> 0:00:18.520 deeper into these internal drives we all have because I 0:00:18.640 --> 0:00:21.599 feel like there's so much more to uncover. So let's 0:00:21.640 --> 0:00:24.560 get into it. Let's jump right back into the deep end. 0:00:25.960 --> 0:00:28.560 In a minute, we're going to sort of break down 0:00:28.760 --> 0:00:32.480 your concept of our inner drives. But first let's start 0:00:32.479 --> 0:00:34.560 out with this big question right now, in this world, 0:00:34.600 --> 0:00:36.920 in this moment, what do you think people should be 0:00:37.080 --> 0:00:40.199 most aware of when it comes to taking care of 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:41.160 our mental health. 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:47.199 Well, I think everyone should be aware that there is 0:00:47.240 --> 0:00:50.919 a way to understand ourselves and we can bring that 0:00:51.120 --> 0:00:54.600 understanding to creating change that we don't have to be 0:00:54.680 --> 0:00:59.360 afraid of our mental health. If a person says physical health, 0:00:59.680 --> 0:01:02.080 often others respond in a way that's interested, Oh, what 0:01:02.120 --> 0:01:03.720 are you doing to take care of yourself? Here's what 0:01:03.760 --> 0:01:07.240 I'm doing, and there's an exchange. But mental health creates 0:01:07.240 --> 0:01:10.399 a reflux of stigma, and I'm often trying to get 0:01:10.400 --> 0:01:14.000 away from that. And that comes because we don't anticipate 0:01:14.120 --> 0:01:18.160 understanding or helpful change or I think knowing that we 0:01:18.240 --> 0:01:21.319 can understand ourselves, we can bring change, just as we 0:01:21.400 --> 0:01:22.520 can in our physical health. 0:01:22.680 --> 0:01:26.160 There's hope. There's hope in that, and I like that. Okay, 0:01:26.240 --> 0:01:29.240 let's make the drives that you talk about even easier 0:01:29.280 --> 0:01:33.200 to understand. So if you could please summarize the assertion drive, 0:01:33.400 --> 0:01:35.480 the pleasure drive, and the generative drive. 0:01:36.640 --> 0:01:40.080 So classically, it has been thought in the field that 0:01:40.480 --> 0:01:43.480 we have two drives that each human has borne into 0:01:43.520 --> 0:01:46.880 that person, an assertion drive, which was often called aggression, 0:01:47.440 --> 0:01:52.320 and a pleasure drive. And these drives sometimes get a 0:01:52.360 --> 0:01:55.240 little bit stereotype, like a caveman wants to club someone 0:01:55.280 --> 0:01:57.000 and drag them back to the cave, or drag the 0:01:57.000 --> 0:01:59.000 food back to the cave, or you know, people who 0:01:59.040 --> 0:02:01.080 are doing things that are not healthy and that are 0:02:01.120 --> 0:02:04.680 not right in the world. And often it's not that. 0:02:04.920 --> 0:02:06.760 It's not that, it's that we all want to be 0:02:06.800 --> 0:02:09.600 a presence in the world and have our and have 0:02:09.720 --> 0:02:11.239 our presence felt in the world. We want to be 0:02:11.240 --> 0:02:13.320 able to change the world around us, We want to 0:02:13.360 --> 0:02:17.320 be able to make our way in it by asserting ourselves, 0:02:17.360 --> 0:02:20.240 and we want pleasure, which isn't always things that we 0:02:20.280 --> 0:02:23.160 classically associate with pleasure. It can be the pleasure of safety, 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:25.480 of having a roof over our heads, having enough food. 0:02:25.720 --> 0:02:29.000 These these are the ways that we gain pleasure in life. 0:02:29.000 --> 0:02:31.200 And the thought has been, okay, we have this assertion 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:34.480 and aggression and pleasure drive, and again that's often led 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:37.200 us to places that become that sort of look at 0:02:37.200 --> 0:02:40.360 the worst in humans. It's not really what it's saying, 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:43.040 but it doesn't. It's a surprising that it ends up 0:02:43.120 --> 0:02:46.520 there because it's missing the point that we can't just 0:02:46.720 --> 0:02:50.680 have those two drives. It would not explain the survival 0:02:50.720 --> 0:02:53.960 of the species. It doesn't explain altruism. It doesn't explain 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:57.560 doing anything that's not directly about the self. It doesn't 0:02:57.600 --> 0:03:01.799 explain creating art, or creating beauty, or enjoying someone else's 0:03:01.919 --> 0:03:06.119 enjoyment of something. That there's a generative drive in all 0:03:06.160 --> 0:03:09.160 of us that is there in us to create and 0:03:09.240 --> 0:03:11.880 to grow and to make the world better. It's not 0:03:11.960 --> 0:03:15.200 just asserting ourselves in the world. It's wanting things to 0:03:15.240 --> 0:03:18.240 be better, wanting there to be beauty where there wasn't before, 0:03:18.360 --> 0:03:22.040 Wanting someone who's sad and down on the ground metaphorically 0:03:22.240 --> 0:03:25.200 to be able to stand back up and be back 0:03:25.240 --> 0:03:28.839 on their feet. When we see through that lens, which 0:03:28.880 --> 0:03:32.919 I think are literature and philosophy across hundreds of years 0:03:32.919 --> 0:03:36.880 of human experience across thousands, I think it bears out 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:41.200 that we can't just be aggression and pleasure, that there's 0:03:41.240 --> 0:03:43.680 something else going on inside of us. And I think 0:03:43.720 --> 0:03:47.280 it's so clear that that something else is this generative 0:03:47.360 --> 0:03:50.800 drive to create and to make the world a better place. 0:03:50.840 --> 0:03:53.360 It's why we build, it's why we know. It's why 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:57.320 people go into labs and discover cures for illnesses. It's 0:03:57.320 --> 0:03:59.760 why people want other people to learn about things good 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:03.480 help them. There's so much that's good in us, and 0:04:03.520 --> 0:04:05.960 when that's governing us, we're healthy. And it's not a 0:04:06.080 --> 0:04:10.600 Pollyannic concept. It's what we do when we ourselves are 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.680 healthy and the groups that we live in, be they 0:04:12.720 --> 0:04:15.600 family units all the way up to states to nations, 0:04:15.640 --> 0:04:17.799 and states are healthy. 0:04:18.000 --> 0:04:20.719 It seems like the generative drive is the most important 0:04:20.760 --> 0:04:23.840 one for me. I just feel it feels like it's 0:04:23.880 --> 0:04:27.400 the most important one. But yes, sometimes the other two 0:04:27.440 --> 0:04:30.440 can kind of take over. So where do we find 0:04:30.440 --> 0:04:30.919 the balance. 0:04:31.520 --> 0:04:34.320 Yes, the generative drive governs the other two, so it 0:04:34.400 --> 0:04:38.600 is the most important drive. So for assertion and pleasure, 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:41.600 there are ranges that are ideal for each of us 0:04:41.640 --> 0:04:46.880 based upon very complicated factors genes, early life experiences, adult experiences. 0:04:47.200 --> 0:04:50.600 So we have different optimal ranges, but those drives can 0:04:50.600 --> 0:04:53.680 be out of balance. So, for example, think about assertion. 0:04:53.839 --> 0:04:56.279 We can become too assertive now we're trying to over 0:04:56.320 --> 0:05:01.760 control things, or where we act in a way in 0:05:01.800 --> 0:05:04.240 the world that's putting other people down so that we 0:05:04.279 --> 0:05:05.960 can make ourselves feel better. Like there can be just 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.200 too much assertion, which can turn into aggression right, or 0:05:10.080 --> 0:05:13.440 there can be too little assertion where if I want 0:05:13.480 --> 0:05:15.960 something better to happen in my life, but I can't 0:05:15.960 --> 0:05:19.400 get myself up off the couch to do it, there's 0:05:19.480 --> 0:05:21.479 not enough assertion and I'm not going to have the 0:05:21.520 --> 0:05:25.359 outcomes that I want. So there's an optimal range for assertiveness. 0:05:25.680 --> 0:05:28.640 The same way with pleasure, people who are seeking pleasure 0:05:28.640 --> 0:05:30.839 at a very very high level start to seek it 0:05:30.839 --> 0:05:33.400 at the expense of other things that it may be 0:05:33.440 --> 0:05:36.520 easier to eat the thing that's really unhealthy because it 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:39.760 feels good in the moment, for example. So we can't 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.920 focus too much on pleasure or too little if we 0:05:42.960 --> 0:05:45.120 don't think we're going to get pleasure from anything, we 0:05:45.160 --> 0:05:47.400 don't do it. So so someone who thinks, oh, nothing 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.800 will go I never have a fun when I go out, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.159 or when I do this or that. Why do it? 0:05:52.160 --> 0:05:55.960 Why buy it? Then there's such a low pleasure drive 0:05:56.320 --> 0:05:59.200 that that's out of balance. So we want assertion and 0:05:59.360 --> 0:06:03.400 pleasure to be in balance, and for them to be 0:06:03.640 --> 0:06:08.520 in balance the aspects of self underneath the structure of 0:06:08.560 --> 0:06:10.960 self and the function of self, those things that are 0:06:11.400 --> 0:06:15.520 analogous to the physical structures in us, they have to 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:20.479 be in healthy places. Then the assertion drive and the 0:06:20.480 --> 0:06:23.200 pleasure drive can be in healthy places where they're governed 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.360 by the generative drive. The more of the generative drive, 0:06:26.400 --> 0:06:29.400 the better, right, the more the better it keeps those 0:06:29.720 --> 0:06:32.599 assertion and pleasure drives in good places, and it helps 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:36.279 our structure and function of self stay in healthy places. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:38.520 So this is how we can see, Oh, I can 0:06:38.640 --> 0:06:42.840 understand how to be mentally healthy, how to build good 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:45.920 mental health, just as we can understand how to build 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:49.800 good physical health. And the generative drive is governing all 0:06:50.160 --> 0:06:52.400 and you can see that born out. When people have 0:06:52.600 --> 0:06:58.040 healthy aging, for example, they governed by the generative drive. 0:06:58.040 --> 0:06:59.640 There's a lot of different words we could put to it, 0:06:59.680 --> 0:07:01.800 but they're they're still learning. They feel a sense of 0:07:01.880 --> 0:07:05.400 value of themselves in the world, and they're creating, and 0:07:05.120 --> 0:07:08.520 they have relationships with others. And we know that when 0:07:08.520 --> 0:07:12.440 people are generative, they're happy, and they're they killed they 0:07:12.640 --> 0:07:13.680 instead of destroying. 0:07:13.920 --> 0:07:22.360 Right. So I talk to a lot of women about 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:29.160 finding their voice, getting comfortable expressing themselves, asserting themselves. I 0:07:29.160 --> 0:07:33.920 guess this would be under the assertion drive. And sometimes, 0:07:34.120 --> 0:07:36.880 like you said, it can get out of balance and 0:07:37.000 --> 0:07:41.320 it becomes too assertive. How do you recommend women in 0:07:41.400 --> 0:07:44.880 general find their voice and how do you recommend that 0:07:44.960 --> 0:07:47.480 we keep it in balance? And do we need to 0:07:47.480 --> 0:07:48.880 think about keeping it in balance? 0:07:50.520 --> 0:07:53.520 I think the first point, I think is to be 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:59.400 aware of one's right to strive for health and happiness. 0:08:00.040 --> 0:08:05.040 Any demographic that historically has been put by the society 0:08:05.040 --> 0:08:08.360 around us at a disadvantage, or who has been told, oh, 0:08:08.720 --> 0:08:10.200 you know, you're not supposed to do that, you don't 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.040 get to do that, has to be extra careful. Right 0:08:13.360 --> 0:08:16.440 to ground, to the right within each of us, within 0:08:16.480 --> 0:08:20.200 every person, to assert themselves in a good, healthy way, 0:08:20.240 --> 0:08:22.760 to find the pleasures that we want in life, so 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.720 starting from our right, and very often people have had 0:08:25.760 --> 0:08:28.240 put into them that they don't have a right to 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:31.800 assert themselves in the world. And you see this more 0:08:32.000 --> 0:08:34.880 commonly in women than in men, who often are raised 0:08:34.880 --> 0:08:37.640 in ways not always, of course, but the society around 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:40.440 us or the unit of people around can lead a 0:08:40.480 --> 0:08:44.360 person to think that as they come to adulthood that 0:08:44.520 --> 0:08:47.199 they don't have quite the rights that others do, and 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:50.160 they're supposed to do more for others than for self. 0:08:50.280 --> 0:08:53.360 For example, things that can be very very good if 0:08:53.400 --> 0:08:55.840 it's in a certain way, if it's through the generative drive, 0:08:55.920 --> 0:08:57.880 but if it's in a way that says, well, you 0:08:57.880 --> 0:08:59.800 don't get to have as much or you don't get 0:08:59.840 --> 0:09:02.600 to have as much happiness, that's not okay. And we 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.920 have to be aware and ground to the right to 0:09:06.080 --> 0:09:10.000 have a good life, to seek health and happiness. Once 0:09:10.040 --> 0:09:13.720 a person is there, then we're on. Then we become 0:09:13.800 --> 0:09:16.600 kind of on the same footing. Then we're looking at 0:09:16.640 --> 0:09:19.160 ourselves and saying, okay, if a person is, oh, it 0:09:19.240 --> 0:09:21.800 is too much or too little assertive, how might I 0:09:21.920 --> 0:09:24.760 change that? And how did I get there? So, for example, 0:09:24.880 --> 0:09:28.240 some people who are more assertive than is healthy. How 0:09:28.280 --> 0:09:31.240 they get there is because they were told so much 0:09:31.280 --> 0:09:34.760 to not be assertive that they have a reaction against it. Right, 0:09:34.800 --> 0:09:37.680 and people can be too assertive, So we see that. 0:09:38.080 --> 0:09:40.920 So if a person is being more assertive, we look 0:09:40.920 --> 0:09:43.520 at okay, is it a reaction to something? Or if 0:09:43.559 --> 0:09:48.160 a person is being more assertive, right, are they finding that? Hey? 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:51.600 As I became more assertive, things got better in life. Right, 0:09:51.640 --> 0:09:53.959 I was able to say no to people. Are I'm 0:09:54.000 --> 0:09:56.840 choosing this not that? And then we learn to be 0:09:56.920 --> 0:09:58.920 more assertive and too much of a good thing isn't 0:09:58.920 --> 0:10:02.480 a good thing anymore? Like, we're all so complicated, But 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:06.000 we can understand ourselves and figure ourselves out. So if 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.560 we start from the right to understand ourselves and to 0:10:09.640 --> 0:10:11.880 build good mental health and to build a good life, 0:10:11.920 --> 0:10:15.280 and then we approach ourselves with compassion and curiosity, then 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.080 we'll figure out what is going on in us and why. Yes. 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:22.760 Yes, So anybody out there who's listening who doesn't recognize 0:10:22.800 --> 0:10:25.920 that right to happiness and joy and a good life 0:10:26.600 --> 0:10:29.000 should really take that to heart, because we all do 0:10:29.160 --> 0:10:29.720 deserve that. 0:10:29.960 --> 0:10:32.640 We all have that right. Yes, And I would add 0:10:32.640 --> 0:10:35.200 that doing for others, which is a wonderful thing for 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:37.920 us to do in life, does not have to mean 0:10:37.960 --> 0:10:42.960 that the person themselves is deprived, right, And oftentimes that 0:10:43.240 --> 0:10:47.000 is the messaging that a person or a woman is 0:10:47.000 --> 0:10:51.000 supposed to create goodness for others, but it's okay for 0:10:51.120 --> 0:10:54.000 that to be at the expense of the self, And 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:56.720 of course that's not okay at all. It's not okay 0:10:56.760 --> 0:10:59.040 for that person, and it doesn't actually help the person 0:10:59.480 --> 0:11:02.079 help others. Right, there are ways we have to start 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:04.640 with ourselves and say, okay, I get to take care 0:11:04.679 --> 0:11:07.439 of myself. I have a right and even a responsibility 0:11:07.800 --> 0:11:10.800 to myself to take care of myself. And if I 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:14.439 do that, then what we see is we become healthier 0:11:14.440 --> 0:11:17.920 and stronger, and we're better for ourselves and for others. 0:11:17.960 --> 0:11:19.800 So the idea that a person is built or a 0:11:19.840 --> 0:11:24.640 person's role is to sacrifice for others is is not okay. 0:11:25.000 --> 0:11:28.520 No, it's just an outdated view. And I think that's 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.880 why I loved so much talking and encouraging people to 0:11:31.960 --> 0:11:35.880 remember to choose themselves and in doing so, that is 0:11:35.920 --> 0:11:39.160 when we are more effective in a positive way in 0:11:39.200 --> 0:11:43.320 our world and in other people's lives. Yes, it's so 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.400 beautiful what you're saying, and I fully appreciate all of this. 0:11:47.720 --> 0:11:52.640 Your book is dedicated to your daughters and everything that 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:56.320 makes them smile. That's what it says. Why did you 0:11:56.760 --> 0:12:01.760 choose to include smiling in that dedication? And what does 0:12:01.760 --> 0:12:03.319 it have to do with what's going right? 0:12:03.960 --> 0:12:07.000 Often, if we're able to smile, if we're able to 0:12:07.040 --> 0:12:10.480 just feel good about something, that's a good symptom that 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:13.640 things are really going right inside of us and we 0:12:13.720 --> 0:12:17.200 are all seeking we say happiness, because what does that mean? 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:19.480 What does it mean to be governed by the generative drive? 0:12:19.920 --> 0:12:23.720 It means that we are finding peace, contentment, and delight 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.520 in our lives. We can just be peaceful. We don't 0:12:26.559 --> 0:12:29.880 have to always be be thinking, doing, We can just 0:12:30.000 --> 0:12:33.520 be right. And contentment is being aware of ourselves, of 0:12:33.520 --> 0:12:36.280 our life stories, including the things that we are not 0:12:36.360 --> 0:12:38.720 happy about or the things that may even be tragic, 0:12:38.960 --> 0:12:42.160 but feeling okay about it. It's my life. I'm leading 0:12:42.160 --> 0:12:44.720 it as best I can. That I feel a sense 0:12:44.720 --> 0:12:47.480 of contentment with who I am in my life. And 0:12:47.760 --> 0:12:51.520 we all want to keep the capacity for delight. You know, 0:12:51.559 --> 0:12:54.079 we see delight in children where things can just light 0:12:54.160 --> 0:12:57.600 their faces up. We need to be that way as adults. 0:12:57.720 --> 0:12:59.760 So when I think I want to see them just 0:13:00.040 --> 0:13:03.959 anything that makes them smile makes me happy. That's what 0:13:04.000 --> 0:13:07.040 I feel inside of me is Okay, they're in healthy places. 0:13:07.080 --> 0:13:10.640 You know, they understand all the world that can tell 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.679 us why we're bad or wrong or what's wrong with us, 0:13:12.679 --> 0:13:15.000 why we're not good enough. I think that hasn't gotten 0:13:15.320 --> 0:13:18.640 to them. They're they're healthy, they're balanced, and when something 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.520 comes up to smile about, they can. 0:13:20.440 --> 0:13:25.280 Smile about it, celebrate it, celebrate that smile. So true, 0:13:25.360 --> 0:13:27.600 I can very much relate to that as a mom, 0:13:27.679 --> 0:13:30.960 as a parent, and I think that a lot of 0:13:30.960 --> 0:13:33.720 people will be able to understand that because that is 0:13:33.960 --> 0:13:36.720 like the ultimate food for our generative drive. 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:40.840 Yes, it's both the ultimate food for it, and it's 0:13:40.840 --> 0:13:43.679 also the ultimate outcome of it, which is why when 0:13:43.720 --> 0:13:47.199 things are going right, and we really kind of double 0:13:47.240 --> 0:13:49.360 down on that. Right, if things are going right, let 0:13:49.360 --> 0:13:51.200 me figure out the things that aren't the way that 0:13:51.240 --> 0:13:53.440 I want them to be. Let's move those into the 0:13:53.480 --> 0:13:56.600 going right category too, And then we find that we 0:13:56.640 --> 0:13:59.440 can have an upcycle of goodness where we're finding more 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:03.800 empower and agency and humility and gratitude, and the generative 0:14:03.880 --> 0:14:06.320 drive is governing us more and there's more piece contentment 0:14:06.360 --> 0:14:09.000 and delight, which helps us stay in balance and helps 0:14:09.000 --> 0:14:11.959 the generative drive, you know, be fueled. So you can 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.240 see how we can end up at very good places, 0:14:15.320 --> 0:14:17.800 just as we can spiral downward. I mean, we know that, 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:20.360 but we don't have to focus on that in a 0:14:20.360 --> 0:14:23.600 way that is so cynical or do oriented or fearful. 0:14:23.880 --> 0:14:25.960 We know that can happen to us. But we can 0:14:26.160 --> 0:14:30.480 also spiral upward up, and it's bad that we can control. 0:14:30.800 --> 0:14:33.720 I love that spiral upward. I never thought of that. 0:14:33.800 --> 0:14:35.560 I always, you know, my mind goes to, oh, I'm 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:38.480 in a downward spiral, or yeah, it's catching you know, 0:14:38.520 --> 0:14:40.600 it's taking hold of me. But instead turn it into 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:45.320 an upward spiral somehow. That's really important. Your your book 0:14:45.360 --> 0:14:48.600 offers at the at the end a lot of practices 0:14:48.640 --> 0:14:53.560 and questions. Why why do you think practicing is important? 0:14:55.080 --> 0:14:57.240 Well, I think that the practicing is really the doing 0:14:58.040 --> 0:15:02.320 of it. That with physical health we want to understand. 0:15:02.920 --> 0:15:05.560 But then if we want more muscle mass, we have 0:15:05.600 --> 0:15:08.640 to go and work out, right, if we want more 0:15:08.720 --> 0:15:11.160 cardiovascular health, we have to you know, we have to 0:15:11.280 --> 0:15:13.720 do something that gets so hard pumping. So there is 0:15:13.760 --> 0:15:16.160 a doing of it, and the book is meant to 0:15:16.200 --> 0:15:19.920 be very practical that there may be people who seek 0:15:20.000 --> 0:15:22.280 outside of the book, you know, the help of others 0:15:22.400 --> 0:15:25.080 or the help of professionals. But the idea is that 0:15:25.120 --> 0:15:27.320 you can at least get a start, and maybe that 0:15:27.400 --> 0:15:29.480 start is what you need. Maybe it gets you there, 0:15:30.040 --> 0:15:32.000 right if you understand, and then you have a way 0:15:32.000 --> 0:15:35.120 of applying that understanding. So that's why it's designed to 0:15:35.160 --> 0:15:36.880 be very practical. And then, of course there are people 0:15:36.920 --> 0:15:40.960 who don't have access to mental health resources. So to 0:15:41.320 --> 0:15:44.920 have something that can both can both create understanding and 0:15:44.960 --> 0:15:48.000 then also say here are practical tools for making change. 0:15:48.720 --> 0:15:50.920 I hope, well, I believe in hope will be of 0:15:51.600 --> 0:15:54.080 help to people who then just don't have access to 0:15:54.120 --> 0:15:56.000 mental health resources and they're just going to be working 0:15:56.040 --> 0:15:56.960 from that. Yes. 0:15:57.080 --> 0:15:59.320 No, there's nothing worse than walking around life with an 0:15:59.320 --> 0:16:05.600 empty tool. It's so important to gain those tools, to 0:16:05.640 --> 0:16:07.880 find them, understand them, and then put them in your 0:16:07.880 --> 0:16:10.280 belt for later use, because we're definitely going to need 0:16:10.280 --> 0:16:12.320 them at some point, right, Yeah. 0:16:12.120 --> 0:16:14.440 And to be using them. See I imagine some of 0:16:14.480 --> 0:16:15.960 the tools were in the belt, but the person's got 0:16:15.960 --> 0:16:17.760 a tool in each hand. And you know, that's how 0:16:17.760 --> 0:16:19.240 we want to be living, is have a lot of 0:16:19.280 --> 0:16:22.440 tools in that belt and use them, and then we'll 0:16:22.480 --> 0:16:24.320 see that upcycle of goodness in us. 0:16:24.560 --> 0:16:30.280 We'll see that upward spiral. Doctor Conti's book, What's Going Right, 0:16:30.520 --> 0:16:34.560 a powerful new method for optimizing your mental health, is 0:16:34.600 --> 0:16:37.320 available right now wherever you guys get your books. I 0:16:37.440 --> 0:16:41.080 highly recommend it. It's very interesting. Thank you so much, 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.600 doctor Conti for spending this time with us. 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:45.840 You're very welcome. Thank you for having me on. I 0:16:45.880 --> 0:16:46.600 appreciate it. 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:47.480 It's been my pleasure.