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Speaker 1: You know, we always get into that. We'll talk about

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Speaker 1: We do it every single week, the Middlecoff mail Bag.

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Speaker 1: It's actually favorite part of the podcast. And get to

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Speaker 1: But today I got in the background the Giants against

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Speaker 1: He's gonna get traded. It's sure everyone I follow on Twitter.

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Speaker 1: As I'm starting to feel more confident about this, Kyle

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Speaker 1: Murry is gonna be the Arizona Cardinals quarterback, and Josh

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Speaker 1: Rosen is gonna get traded. Josh Rosen was just taking

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Speaker 1: tenth in the draft in a draft that was pretty

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Speaker 1: stacked with quarterbacks, and I think you could argue coming

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Speaker 1: out he's probably he was a better player than Josh Allen. Now,

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's upside as an athlete, higher, bigger arm, but

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Speaker 1: he's not accurate. So to me, like I had him behind,

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Speaker 1: Sam was my number one guy than Baker, then Josh,

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Speaker 1: Josh Rosen, and then to me Josh Allen and Lamar

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Speaker 1: Jackson were in their own little category. But one thing

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Speaker 1: is pretty clear is that Josh Rosen is gonna be

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Speaker 1: bought more than likely for a second round pick, A

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Speaker 1: second round pick that's insane value. Like I, I think

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Speaker 1: at this point Josh Rosen is being really undervalued. You

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Speaker 1: can get Josh Rosen for a second round pick, a

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Speaker 1: guy that we knew was a camp miss NFL prospect

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Speaker 1: by his freshman year in college, a guy that went

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Speaker 1: tenth in the draft last year, and someone get a

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Speaker 1: second round pick for him. If I was Clatt said,

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Speaker 1: the Giants, the Chargers, and the Patriots. Now in a

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Speaker 1: perfect world, if I was New England, I would not

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Speaker 1: want to give the thirty second pick for Josh Rosen.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think the value is that nuts on

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Speaker 1: buying previous year's tenth overall pick. His main bonus has

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Speaker 1: been paid. He's relatively cheap and just getting a really

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Speaker 1: talented backup. Because right now, when you look at the Patriots, obviously,

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Speaker 1: if Tom Brady plays there in good shape and they're

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Speaker 1: probably gonna win the Super Bowl, right, I think we

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Speaker 1: can all acknowledge that. But Tom Brady's one injury away

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Speaker 1: from Brian Horror having to play. I got news for you,

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Speaker 1: Brian Horige stinks. Josh Rosen a much more talented player

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Speaker 1: than Brian Hoyer. So if at the end of the day,

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Speaker 1: when you have multiple seconds and three threes, if you

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Speaker 1: had a trade your thirty second overall pick for Josh Rosen,

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Speaker 1: that's probably more valuable than any player you're gonna get. Now,

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Speaker 1: there is a value when you factor in that guy's

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Speaker 1: not gonna play, and I could get you know, starting receiver,

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Speaker 1: starting tight end. I get it. It's complicated. But the

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Speaker 1: problem for the Patriots is if the Giants want them

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Speaker 1: and they offer pick I think it's thirty eight, the

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Speaker 1: Patriots two picks in the second round ones the Bears

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Speaker 1: for last year or trade up, and one of their

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Speaker 1: own is at the end of the round, and the

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Speaker 1: Chargers have their second round pick is better than either

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Speaker 1: one of those Patriot picks. I guess the Patriots the

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Speaker 1: Bears pick they own is better than the Chargers pick.

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Speaker 1: But the Patriots can trump mall because clearly the Giants

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Speaker 1: are gonna give him pick six for Josh Rosen. Charges

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Speaker 1: are gonna give up the first round for Josh Rosen

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Speaker 1: when Philip Rivers, you know, still playing at a high

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Speaker 1: level and still has multiple years left that that wouldn't

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Speaker 1: make much sense. But a second round or is too

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Speaker 1: good to be true. I think that these three teams

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Speaker 1: shouldn't be alone because the value of Josh Rosen isn't

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Speaker 1: just acquiring them and getting a guy that was the

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Speaker 1: tenth pick in the draft last year and it's still

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Speaker 1: really talented. But what if you even if you have

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Speaker 1: a starting quarterback, what if you're Seattle and he plays

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Speaker 1: in the preseason games and he looks awesome, then you

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Speaker 1: have a little leverage when you're negotiating with Russell Wilson Slash.

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Speaker 1: You could flip many year maybe for a first round pick,

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Speaker 1: if you're like, god, this guy looks really good. Now

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Speaker 1: he's got some competent coaching, like having a really talented

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Speaker 1: quarterback on your roster. Is the value isn't just to

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Speaker 1: one day take over for your starter, because what if

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Speaker 1: your starter just keeps on playing and keeps on balling.

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Speaker 1: It doesn't feel like Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, any of

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Speaker 1: these quarterbacks are going anywhere. But what's the value of

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Speaker 1: having a backup that's viewed as a really good player.

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what the value is. It's usually a

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Speaker 1: first round pick. We've seen it before. If Belichick wouldn't

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Speaker 1: have waited until the last year of Jimmy Garoppolos contract,

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Speaker 1: he would have got it first round pick for Jimmy.

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Speaker 1: If anything, we I think we all said, like, why

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Speaker 1: did Belichick give him away? You can trade co backs.

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Speaker 1: They hold their value. They're like, uh, like a Honda Chord.

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Speaker 1: Now there there, that's a bad example because they're much

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Speaker 1: nicer than Honda Cords. I just tried to think of

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Speaker 1: something that holds their value for a long time. They're like,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, certain cars hold their value much better

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Speaker 1: than others. I'm not a huge car guy, but you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Like, he'd have to be terrible

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Speaker 1: to lose value. If he's just good his value maintains.

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Speaker 1: And if he's really good, and I'm just talking in

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Speaker 1: preseason games because more likely he wouldn't be playing in

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Speaker 1: regular season games. You have Brady or Philip, you can

517
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Speaker 1: flip that guy, and you can flip them for a

518
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Speaker 1: high valued pick. Like to me, that's worth something. And

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Speaker 1: I think I don't remember in recent memory a more

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Speaker 1: undervalued asset in the NFL than Josh Rosen given what

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Speaker 1: you have to pay for, because you don't need to

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Speaker 1: give a top fifteen pick to get him, You just

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Speaker 1: probably give a second In the worst case, I'd give

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Speaker 1: two twos for Josh Rosen because more than likely, if

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Speaker 1: especially on the Patriots or the Charges, where I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: make him look good, I'll flip me in a year

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Speaker 1: for a one happens all the time, happens all the

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Speaker 1: time in the NFL, or worst case, I just get

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Speaker 1: my value back. I just wait a couple of years

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Speaker 1: and it holds its value. Look at Alex Smith when

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Speaker 1: the Niners got rid of them, traded him for multiple

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Speaker 1: second round picks because Alex Smith Josh Rose was more talented.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying he's gonna be one day as good

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Speaker 1: as Alex Smith, But there is most undervalued player in

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Speaker 1: the league right now is Josh Rosen. Okay, it's that

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Speaker 1: time of the week again, Middle coff mail bag. I

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Speaker 1: need to get a little music for it or something. Hi, John,

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Speaker 1: I read an interesting article about how the Eagles use

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Speaker 1: their salary cap. I was interested in your thoughts on

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Speaker 1: that article, pros and cons of doing what they do

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Speaker 1: while other teams are not doing that. And I can't really,

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Speaker 1: I can't even click on the article. Are using fake

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Speaker 1: contracts years to create space. My overall take on just

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Speaker 1: NFL contracts is they're all fake. I mean literally. I

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Speaker 1: saw someone say, Okay, let's just see if I can

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Speaker 1: read the headline right now, it's a picture Roseman. When

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Speaker 1: the Eagles announced the Malik Jackson, Brandon Graham, and Sean

548
00:27:12,840 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: Jackson contracts, they were deferred to three year deals. When

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Speaker 1: the Ronald Darby contract was announced, it was announced as

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Speaker 1: a one year deal. And then you take a look

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Speaker 1: at they're they're actually five year contracts. Until they aren't

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Speaker 1: confused yet. Here to help in the often baffling world,

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Speaker 1: I'm just reading this article of NFL contracts. Eagles vice

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Speaker 1: president Howie former boss uh use A tool to spread

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Speaker 1: out cap hits into a contract over years that are

556
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Speaker 1: guaranteed are guaranteed to never exist. It's kind of cheating,

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00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:46,080
Speaker 1: but according to the CBA, the collective Bargaining Agreement between

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Speaker 1: the NFL p A and the union ownership, it's completely legal.

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Speaker 1: One the player's base salary the pro rate when you

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Speaker 1: get a signing a bonus, then they pro rate it.

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Speaker 1: I think most of us know that also likely to

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Speaker 1: be earned incentives. The longer the contract, the more years

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Speaker 1: the signing bonus is spread out, so the less it

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Speaker 1: hit your cap. I think a lot of teams are

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Speaker 1: doing that because when you do a signing bonus, that

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Speaker 1: is the amount of So if you get a fifteen

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Speaker 1: million dollar signing bonus guaranteed, I have to give you

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Speaker 1: that money on the time I signed. I think it's

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Speaker 1: within two weeks. It's why all these contracts they're all fake,

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Speaker 1: like the Aaron Donald. But you have to be so

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Speaker 1: good to get a true contract like Aaron Donald, or

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Speaker 1: Khalil Back or even Odell Beckham, all the quarterbacks. It's

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Speaker 1: either quarterbacks or like top ten non players. Everyone else

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Speaker 1: fake money. And the thing I will always say, and

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't say, Howie, is that different than a lot

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Speaker 1: like a lot of teams or I see the Niners

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Speaker 1: do it, the Raiders are doing it, a lot of

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Speaker 1: teams do it. There. They would rather pay you more

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Speaker 1: up front, so you're signing bonus and give you all

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Speaker 1: these fake years just so it basically turns into a

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Speaker 1: one or two year contract. Like I saw Jared Cook

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Speaker 1: can earn up to nineteen million dollars with the Saints.

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Speaker 1: You know what, Jared Cook's contract is one year, eight

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Speaker 1: million dollars and they can spread that eight million dollars

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Speaker 1: over a two year period, so the cap hits probably

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Speaker 1: around four million bucks. That's the way all these contracts

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Speaker 1: are doing. I don't think how he's an outlier. I

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00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:13,320
Speaker 1: think Howie is just they're doing a better job of

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00:29:13,400 --> 00:29:16,760
Speaker 1: identifying the right players. He's always been dynamic with the money.

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Speaker 1: But I think everyone now can see the way to

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Speaker 1: structure these contracts. I think most of these teams aren't

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Speaker 1: done with contracts anymore. They're all doing him the same.

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Speaker 1: And beside the quarterbacks, unless you're an Aaron Donald or

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Speaker 1: Khalil Mack or even O'Dell last year, you don't have

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Speaker 1: the juice to bend the team over and take him

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Speaker 1: to the cleaners with guaranteed money. So I think the

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Speaker 1: big thing in this next collective bargaining agreement. As a fan,

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Speaker 1: you always want less guaranteed money because you never want

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Speaker 1: NBA and Major League Baseball situations because in football you

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Speaker 1: just get injured too much. So if all the contracts

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Speaker 1: were guaranteed, you would have disastrous salary caps. Even the

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Speaker 1: smartest guys like Howie and Belichick would have ton of

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Speaker 1: dead money on not not on the dead money, but

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Speaker 1: on the cap because guys get hurt. It's just a

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00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 1: reality of the business, right. But luckily, with the way

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Speaker 1: it's set up, you can spread it out and pro

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Speaker 1: rate it over the length of a contract. So, yeah,

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Speaker 1: if I can give you a five year, fifty million

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Speaker 1: dollar contract, teams love doing that, but I only give

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Speaker 1: you fifteen million dollars guaranteed. Well what do I get

611
00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:26,920
Speaker 1: to do with the fifteen million dollars? I get to

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Speaker 1: pro rate that bonus over the five years. I also

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Speaker 1: think these players need to be a little smarter, Like

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Speaker 1: you guys are signing fake contracts and then you're bitching

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Speaker 1: and moaning like you know what you're doing at this point.

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Speaker 1: If you don't, you're an idiot. Because the information is

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Speaker 1: all out there. It's pretty clear what's going on. So

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Speaker 1: I blame the players. The agents don't care. They just

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Speaker 1: want to get guaranteed money money for them. I think

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Speaker 1: that it's a team run league. It's an organizational run league.

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Speaker 1: As a general manager and coach league. It's it's not

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Speaker 1: a player league. This is not the NBA, and Major

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Speaker 1: League Baseball is kind of in the middle. But the

624
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,280
Speaker 1: players run the league because they get guaranteed contracts, so

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00:31:03,320 --> 00:31:05,880
Speaker 1: they now there's no salary cap, so you can buy

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00:31:05,920 --> 00:31:09,520
Speaker 1: people out and stuff. But the union controls so much.

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00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:13,840
Speaker 1: In football, every player except the quarterbacks and maybe like

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00:31:13,920 --> 00:31:17,000
Speaker 1: fifteen players in the league are replaceable. It's just a reality.

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Speaker 1: It sounds harsh, but it's just the truth. Why is

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Speaker 1: it that fans get so mad at passing interference miss calls?

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Speaker 1: You rarely see people getting pissed about holds that are

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00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,840
Speaker 1: missed but can have just a bit of an impact

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Speaker 1: on plays. Is it because dumb fans see pass interference

634
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:37,600
Speaker 1: because of the camera angles, but rarely any given camera

635
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:42,680
Speaker 1: angles that cover offensive lineman also should do. But since

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Speaker 1: everyone else says that Okay, this is pretty good. Also

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Speaker 1: would also like to tell you I love the show,

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00:31:47,880 --> 00:31:51,360
Speaker 1: which I do, but since everyone else says that, I'll say,

639
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 1: go fund yourself, have a nice day. I like this

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Speaker 1: guy keeping it, keeping it loose on here. Here's the

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Speaker 1: thing about passing interference calls more than holding. I do

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Speaker 1: think you're onto something with the camera angle. I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's proven in life when we see something, then when

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Speaker 1: we hear about it, you know, our reaction is different,

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Speaker 1: and we see all the action with wide receivers and corners.

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Speaker 1: I also think even on a big holding call or

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Speaker 1: where the offensive line or the defensive lineman hands the

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Speaker 1: face or whatever that goes on called, it's not that

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Speaker 1: big of a penalty. When you see a miss p

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Speaker 1: I call, and let's say it's a thirty five yard pass,

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Speaker 1: that's a large amount of real estate. You know, the

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Speaker 1: fields are only a hundred yards. If you're at the

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Speaker 1: fifty and it's a miss p I call and it

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Speaker 1: was a thirty yard pass, you're now in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: So I think the implications of that play. I also

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Speaker 1: think we're just a little more more emotionally connected to

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Speaker 1: our wide receivers as fans like your Your wide receivers

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Speaker 1: typically are some of the most famous guys in your

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Speaker 1: team now offensive lineman. They may be better players or whatever,

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Speaker 1: but you know, they're kind of like out of sight,

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Speaker 1: out of mind. You need them, and when you hear

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Speaker 1: about them, it's usually not good. I think the camera

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Speaker 1: angle has something to do with it, but I also

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Speaker 1: think just they're the guy with the ball, so any

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Speaker 1: anything that includes the ball. I do think that non

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Speaker 1: missed holding calls that are blatant, you know, I think

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Speaker 1: people bitch and moan about it, but out I just

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Speaker 1: think you would call holding on basically every play or

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Speaker 1: a large majority of the plays. That can't really be

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Speaker 1: said for pass interference. I mean, I talked about it earlier.

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Speaker 1: With the change of the rule, there are blatant p

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Speaker 1: I calls that when they're missed, that they have huge ramification,

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Speaker 1: especially in the second half of the game of a

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Speaker 1: tie game, that just have, you know, dictate the outcome

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Speaker 1: of the game out. The same thing for holding, but again,

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Speaker 1: we're not locked in. It's hard to see, it's hard

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Speaker 1: to tell. I think we're all kind of conditioned that again,

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Speaker 1: players are held every play. It's just that's like a

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Speaker 1: cliche thing that's said from coaches and players and fans. Oh,

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Speaker 1: there's holding every play, you'd call it every play. We

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Speaker 1: never say, oh, there's there's p I every play. No,

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Speaker 1: because there's not there is. This is my beef with

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Speaker 1: defensive holding with dbs and linebackers. To me, that they

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Speaker 1: are at such such a disadvantage, we call a wide

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Speaker 1: receiver going over the middle a defenseless player. That's that's

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Speaker 1: like calling me an innocent driver if I get into

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Speaker 1: a wreck as I'm speeding. The dudes running over the

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Speaker 1: middle of the field, he's not a defenseless player. He

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Speaker 1: may not be looking when the defenders coming, but he

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Speaker 1: knows all the guys were there. He he was at

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Speaker 1: one point in time before the ball was snapped, looking

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Speaker 1: at the defense like that happened. So when defensive backs,

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Speaker 1: safeties and linebackers use their hand to quote unquote hold

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Speaker 1: a little bit, I can live with that. I I

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Speaker 1: think that is one of the worst calls in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: The defensive holding is an automatic first down that that

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Speaker 1: it's a pet peeve of mind that that really bothers me.

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Speaker 1: To me, it should be a five yard penalty, and

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Speaker 1: if it's third and five or first, second and five

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Speaker 1: automatic first down. But if it's third nine and you

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Speaker 1: get a defensive holding, it should not be an automatic

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Speaker 1: first down. That that's got It just bothers me thinking

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Speaker 1: about it. John Love the pot now that Gronk is retired,

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Speaker 1: may expect the pass to take a tight end in

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Speaker 1: the first or second round. Do you think they will

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Speaker 1: or if they don't, do you think they may be

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Speaker 1: a signal that the passer once again changing their offense,

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Speaker 1: perhaps a more running game like they did in the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: With the rest of the league is still moving toward attack. Uh,

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Speaker 1: towards the preference for the passing game. Yeah, I think

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Speaker 1: everyone would tell you the Patriots have no offense and

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Speaker 1: no defense. They do whatever you don't do well. So

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Speaker 1: if you don't defend the running back out of the backfield,

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Speaker 1: they'll throw it to him fifty times a game. If

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Speaker 1: you can't defend the tight end, they'll throw to them

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Speaker 1: all the time. If you're in a nickel defense and

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Speaker 1: you can't stop the run, they'll run it till your

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00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 1: eyes bleed. That's the great that's the most powerful attribute

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Speaker 1: of the bell check rain and even Tom is they

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00:36:02,480 --> 00:36:05,480
Speaker 1: don't really Tom has no problem with handling the ball

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Speaker 1: off thirty five times a game and throwing for two.

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Speaker 1: Now they he does. He doesn't do that often because

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Speaker 1: they can throw it so easily on teams. But I

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Speaker 1: think they're open to anything, and I think they'll approach

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Speaker 1: this draft they will pick the best players who are

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Speaker 1: on the board. They don't usually force needs, like everyone's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they're gonna take a tight end or a wide receiver.

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Speaker 1: I pick thirty two maybe, But if Greedy Williams, I'm

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Speaker 1: just using just picks a random player fell to thirty two, Like, yeah,

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Speaker 1: they might just pick him. Now, Yeah, they might pick

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Speaker 1: to Keel Harry for sure, but they also might not.

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Speaker 1: They might take, you know, a guard, a linebacker who

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Speaker 1: they just thinks the best player on the board, and

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Speaker 1: then they just stack them a bunch of good players

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Speaker 1: and then they coach guys up. And I think when

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Speaker 1: it comes to tight ends, Belichick has consistently invested in guys.

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Speaker 1: I do think with Gronk retiring and then missing on

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Speaker 1: Jared Cook, they're a little behind the eight ball right

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Speaker 1: now because you just look at their weapons, You go,

740
00:37:02,120 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: who is their weapons? They got jewels, they got Sony Michelle,

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Speaker 1: Who's I think a really good player? Still got Dion,

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00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: not Deon, Lewis, James White, their offensive lines coming back,

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Speaker 1: So you go, they need an outside receiver and they're

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00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:19,960
Speaker 1: gonna need a tight end maybe two. Yeah, i'd expect

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Speaker 1: them the draft tight end. But I don't think it's

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00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: a lot that they just take a guy first or

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Speaker 1: second overall, that they could technically take them at any spot.

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Speaker 1: And that's that's what makes Belichick, I think, just so

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Speaker 1: dangerous that at any moment, kind of anything can happen

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Speaker 1: with them. Uh, he's the ultimate wheeler and dealer when

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Speaker 1: it comes to this because no one ever truly knows

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Speaker 1: what he's gonna do. Uh. That's quick mentalcoff mail bag.

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Speaker 1: Just a quick little Friday podcast, get you guys ready

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Speaker 1: for the tournament. Enjoy it as I recorded this Tiger loss,

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00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 1: so who knows if he'll even be playing this weekend.

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Speaker 1: I hope wherever you live, you have a good weekend.

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Speaker 1: Hang out with your family, drink some beers, watch some TV,

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Speaker 1: do whatever you do, and I will see you next week.

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