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Speaker 1: Welcome to Jaggs Drivetime with Chad osher Oski Stevis and Brian.

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Speaker 2: Sexty Sex twelve. Jaggs Drivetime starts right now. Good morning,

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Speaker 2: Happy Tuesday two. You welcome the TIAA Bank Field in Jacksonville.

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Speaker 2: Brian Sexton with you for the beginning of Jaggs Drive Time.

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Speaker 2: So let's jump right into a ten days out from

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Speaker 2: the draft, let's get to big things. And number one,

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Speaker 2: there's nothing to do with the draft. It's here we go, Jags.

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Speaker 2: They're all back, the players, well not all of them,

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Speaker 2: but the players are back. All the teams are back

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Speaker 2: into the off season routine, which means that everybody, all

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Speaker 2: thirty two are now functioning and working towards the start

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Speaker 2: of OTA's A training camp in July. It starts right

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Speaker 2: now in April. Big thing two is the countdown to

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Speaker 2: Kansas City. As I mentioned, we are ten days away

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Speaker 2: from the NFL Draft, and we'll have coverage throughout the week.

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Speaker 2: Next week I'll be in Kansas City, and of course

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Speaker 2: we'll have a huge Wednesday and Thursday for you, and

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Speaker 2: Friday and Saturday as we get you said, for what

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Speaker 2: the Dragons are going to do picking in the bottom

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Speaker 2: third of the first round for the first time since

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Speaker 2: twenty eighteen. And finally, Big Thing three is a big welcome.

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Speaker 2: Take Kahannie Stevens, who joins us as the new member

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Speaker 2: of our broadcast team, and it's why we started the

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Speaker 2: show show we could unveil her officially right now to you.

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Speaker 3: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Welcome.

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Speaker 3: I am so excited to be here. I'm obviously this

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Speaker 3: has been a couple of weeks in the making, since

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Speaker 3: I knew it was going to come here, and to

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Speaker 3: come back when all the players are coming back today.

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Speaker 2: Timing is good.

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Speaker 3: It's good timing.

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Speaker 2: Give everybody a little sense of your background. This is

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Speaker 2: not your first foray into the.

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Speaker 3: NFL, my first foray. So I'm from New England. Originally

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Speaker 3: I covered the Patriots for quite some time. Actually, Doug

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Speaker 3: Peterson personally ruined the only Super Bowl I got to

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Speaker 3: go to. So I'll hopefully now that we're on the

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Speaker 3: same team, we can have success.

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Speaker 2: It'll work on a cutter that way.

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Speaker 3: Playoffs, yes, but I haven't covered the NFL for a

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Speaker 3: couple of years, so I'm really excited to get back

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Speaker 3: to it. Obviously, the Jaguars are in a great place

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Speaker 3: right now and from an outside perspective, you guys look

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Speaker 3: like you have all the pieces put together, so it's

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Speaker 3: exciting to see and now be a part of it.

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Speaker 2: Well, speaking of all together, the guy too you were

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Speaker 1: Morning, does I don't know about that? John Oser, which

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Speaker 1: centerver Get introduced.

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Speaker 2: I'm sorry, John Oser, Hello, hi's day.

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Speaker 1: I understand, ye, welcome and I look forward to this,

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Speaker 1: really did.

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Speaker 2: So let's go back to the top of the show,

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Speaker 2: and that is the players. You're back, And even though

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Speaker 2: this is just them working out, it does also mean

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Speaker 2: that they can meet with coaches, and for the last

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Speaker 2: couple of months, you know, we've kind of gotten used

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Speaker 2: to that. By the way, I remember the first year

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Speaker 2: that the new collective bargaining Agreement was in place and

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Speaker 2: coaches couldn't talk to players in the offseason. I mean

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Speaker 2: thinking seeing, hello, how's your family, But they couldn't talk

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Speaker 2: physical side of getting ready, there's also a mental side

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Speaker 1: Well, and I think this week it's not a story

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Speaker 1: going to be very interesting for the players coming back

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Speaker 1: because Trevor, Lawrence, Travis, CTN, the receivers, we'll see for

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Speaker 1: the first time, what press Taylor, Doug Peterson, the offensive

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Speaker 1: coaches specifically, I'm talking they've gone back and they've gone

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Speaker 1: over last season, what they think worked, what didn't. I

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Speaker 1: So I don't think the offense is going to change,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure all of it interests you being here now

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Speaker 2: day two, but the story that most folks are interested

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Speaker 2: it seems the Jaguars have it, and you guys.

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Speaker 3: Had such a great offense last year just with the

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, that's the guy I think, with no disrespect

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Speaker 1: Well, they improved so much last offseason, I'm getting questions

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Speaker 1: Guys like that I think will be better just because

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Speaker 1: a big story Brian is the absence of Evan Ingram.

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Speaker 1: He's not here because he hasn't signed his franchise tag

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Speaker 1: tender yet. Somebody tweeted a couple of days ago, and

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Speaker 1: I thought it was really insightful. Players who don't come

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Speaker 1: I know Evan, deep down in his gut, though, can't

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Speaker 2: Now, he was a guy last year when he arrived, Kay,

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Speaker 2: not really all that concerned about it. And we didn't

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Speaker 1: Immediately became my favorite coach in Jars hundred percent.

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Speaker 2: Let me change up to just slightly the draft. Jaguars

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 2: I mean, this is a year where it first start. Well,

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Speaker 2: Jaguars cleaning things up with their cap So here we are,

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Speaker 2: the draft is here. I think it'll be very interesting.

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Speaker 1: I mean, cut you off, guy, I think it'll be

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Speaker 1: very interesting once they pick the players. And what I

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Speaker 1: interesting leading up to it because it's so much darts

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Speaker 1: So it's interesting for me to try to figure out

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Speaker 2: So again, it's a darts at a board thing.

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Speaker 1: very interesting the pre draft lead up, which you know,

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Speaker 1: I've become less interested over time just because the players

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Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that happened during COVID,

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Speaker 2: There's only seventeen guys who are going to be in

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Speaker 3: Well, you guys are in a fortunate position now because

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Speaker 3: the team is not getting lottery picks anymore. Right, the

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Speaker 3: be interesting to see how Trent Falk kind of works

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Speaker 1: Well, she hit on something that's very important to realize.

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Speaker 1: Top ten picks and late first round pick are not

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Speaker 1: Can't miss of the immediate impact. I think all first

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Speaker 1: We don't do that anymore. I just look at Trevor

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Speaker 1: Lawrence as a rookie, much different player in his second year.

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Speaker 1: Takes time in this lead to develop, especially in the

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Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for big things. When we

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Speaker 2: come back, we'll conclude our three week series looking at

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Speaker 2: key positional groups but the Draguars could address in the draft.

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Speaker 2: We've already covered the defensive backs and the offensive line.

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Speaker 2: When we come back, we'll tackle tight ends. Your own drags,

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Speaker 2: Drive time and welcome back Brian Sexton to John Osier.

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Speaker 2: With you now as we continue looking at the twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty four NFL Draft, which is ten days from now

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Speaker 2: in Kansas City, and of course live coverage from here

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Speaker 2: and there to walk you through the Jaguars as they

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Speaker 2: of the gate, John, this is as good a tight

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Speaker 2: I remember a conversation with Tom Coughlin back in twenty

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Speaker 1: It takes time and that speaks to the difficulty of

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Speaker 1: It will be a little bit of a he'p using

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Speaker 2: So we were watching Michael Mayer there on the screen

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Speaker 2: only to Brock Bauers among receiving tight ends in college

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Speaker 2: Darnell Washington, the big kid that we all saw playing

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Speaker 1: More of a run blocker right now because of the size. Again,

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Speaker 1: But I don't think there's any question if you look

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Speaker 2: Well, and the numbers you speak of, there's only two

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Speaker 2: And then Garrett Prince's the third who was on the

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Speaker 1: So it's hard to imagine. You never know what the

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Speaker 2: Somewhere. There's a young man the last name of Kraft,

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Speaker 2: And he's again a six foot five, two hundred and

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Speaker 2: Here we go look inside the ozone mail bag, get

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Speaker 2: the type of emails that John is getting, and we

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Speaker 2: be shown, all right. From Pontipeter Beach, Should I be

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Speaker 1: And look, as much as you want Evan on a

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Speaker 2: short of decent players at most positions to being a

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Speaker 2: couple of impact players from being very good. Does this

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Speaker 2: mean they should trade up in the first round, sacrificing

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Speaker 2: depth for a difference maker?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And these are so tough to answer because it

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Speaker 1: trading up trading back always depends on two things. You know,

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Speaker 1: you don't do it till you're on the clock because

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Speaker 1: you've got a list of players that you like who

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Speaker 1: you might be willing to do that for. But you know,

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Speaker 1: you don't know if they're going to be there until

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Speaker 1: pick seventeen rolls around or sixteen rolls around, and then

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Speaker 1: what's your relationship with that team?

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Speaker 2: So could they do this?

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Speaker 1: Sure, But I don't believe that their attitude toward doing

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Speaker 1: this changes based on their record last year, or you

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Speaker 1: hope not, because you don't want to have the general

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Speaker 1: manager and team saying, Okay, we're all in on right now,

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Speaker 1: so we're going to push our chips to the table

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Speaker 1: to get a rookie who's going to push us over

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Speaker 1: the top in twenty twenty three, at the expense of

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Speaker 1: building this franchise for twenty three through thirty three, So

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Speaker 1: I don't think the attitude toward this change is based

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Speaker 1: on their expectations for this year. I think Tran balk

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Speaker 1: is a long term general manager who looks at the

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Speaker 1: big picture. If he's sitting there at twenty four and

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Speaker 1: at pick nineteen, somebody comes up who he thinks is

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Speaker 1: a this is guy is going to help.

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Speaker 2: Us a key position.

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Speaker 1: You're not going to do that for a tight end.

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't think, unless it's a player he thinks it's special.

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Speaker 1: But again, I don't think there's any more chance that

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Speaker 1: he would do that this year than there was last

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Speaker 1: year when he did it with Devin Lloyd. So I

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Speaker 1: don't think the question was because of their position.

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Speaker 2: Would they change that? I don't think so. I agree

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Speaker 2: with you on Matt. Finally, JP from the Vortex and

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Speaker 2: the way back is, can you please explain why you

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Speaker 2: keep saying offensive line, cornerback or tight end for our

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Speaker 2: first pick like you've already done that?

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Speaker 1: Because why not? I mean, it's I think that's where

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Speaker 1: value and position and whatever needs there happen to be.

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Speaker 1: And you can say best available player all you want,

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Speaker 1: and Trent Balky's a big best available player guy. He

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Speaker 1: proved with Chad Mumma last year. But needs still factors

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Speaker 1: a little bit into that. They're not going to take

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Speaker 1: a quarterback in the first round, for example. Sure, so

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Speaker 1: there's some level of need mixed in. It feels like

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Speaker 1: that could be an area where they go. I haven't

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Speaker 1: talked past rusher as much, and this is what the

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Speaker 1: question was sort of based on. I haven't talked past

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Speaker 1: rusher as much because my experience is pass rusher at

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Speaker 1: twenty four can be a little tricky trying to get

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Speaker 1: production out of that that first year. That doesn't mean

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Speaker 1: it's not gonna happen, right, I've just discussed the other

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Speaker 1: positions more because to me, tight end, corner and offensive

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Speaker 1: line where you see the mocked players sort of lines

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Speaker 1: up there. Now that being said, in recent weeks you

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Speaker 1: see more and more edge rushers mentioned around that area.

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Speaker 2: But how much of that is simply that desire to

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Speaker 2: have those players mentioned? Right? I mean we manufacture a

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Speaker 2: lot of times where a guy belongs because we say, well,

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Speaker 2: pass rusher is really important, or quarterback is really imps.

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Speaker 1: A pre draft is is that's manufactured, And so you

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Speaker 1: see guys.

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Speaker 2: Will McDonald's a guy right from Iowa State whose name,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, has started creeping up the board.

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Speaker 2: But at the same time, Tyree Wilson is climbing. The

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Speaker 2: kid from Texas Tech. He's right there with Will Anderson,

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Speaker 2: depending on who you listen to. And then Nolan's there's

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Speaker 2: a really good player from Georgia, but who most people

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Speaker 2: saw as a bottom half of the first round player,

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Speaker 2: all of a sudden, he's top ten. How much of

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Speaker 2: that is smoke screens or manufacturing knows. I look at

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Speaker 2: need and value, and I'm a best available player guy.

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Speaker 2: It just seems like this year you could get an

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Speaker 2: offensive tackle at twenty four. Anton Harrison's a guy who's

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Speaker 2: getting mentioned in the first round, and a guy that

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Speaker 2: I watched play a bit at Oklahoma who probably belongs there.

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Speaker 2: Same thing. You can mention the cornerback from Mississippi State

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Speaker 2: who belongs in that conversation. So there will be players

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Speaker 2: at those three positions. I'm just not sure that the

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Speaker 2: pass rusher is going to be there at twenty four

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Speaker 2: because I think there's going to be a run on

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Speaker 2: the position and you're going to see a guy like

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Speaker 2: Will McDonald go at nineteen.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there are people draft philosophers general managers who shy

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Speaker 1: away from pass rusher, offensive line, and defensive line at

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Speaker 1: the end of the first round because their theory is

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Speaker 1: if they were really first round players, they usually get

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Speaker 1: taken before twenty four through thirty. So how much of

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Speaker 1: that is you're sort of sitting around after the draft

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Speaker 1: pontificating saying this is why we did it a little

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Speaker 1: bit of that.

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Speaker 2: But do you hear that? Give me?

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Speaker 1: I guess mentioned a lot that safer first round picks

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Speaker 1: are tight ends, running backs, safeties who can contribute for

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Speaker 1: you there immediately. Again, once you're on the clock, a

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Speaker 1: lot of this theoretical talk we talked about goes out

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Speaker 1: the window and there's more of a hey, this guy

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Speaker 1: can help us. This is the best available player right now.

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Speaker 1: I think that's the way that Balky will go at

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Speaker 1: one of a few positions.

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Speaker 2: All right, that'll do it for the ozone and mailbag.

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Speaker 2: the freight Magellenlogistics dot com. All right, you mentioned players

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Speaker 2: are chatting tomorrow. I think I will get in Calvin Ridley,

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Speaker 2: the quarterback obviously believe yeah, I believe leading tackler. Good

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Speaker 2: to hear from him, and it'll be yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I spoke with Trevor briefly before the Jembo

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Speaker 1: Shrimp game a couple of weeks back. Beyond that, it

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Speaker 1: be the first chance I think people have had to

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Speaker 1: talk extensively these guys. Uh, first chance for the media

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Speaker 1: to talk to Calvin Ridley, so it'll be interesting. And

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Speaker 1: then on Thursday, the the pre draft luncheon, where I'm

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Speaker 1: sure Trent Balki Wouldelsey's who's gonna pick?

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Speaker 2: I looking forward to that. I always joke as we're

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Speaker 2: walking up the stairs to that, thinking this is the

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Speaker 2: biggest waste of time for a press efforts because they're

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Speaker 2: not going to tell you anything. Sure you're gonna send

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Speaker 2: you in different directions.

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Speaker 1: It's good to see Doug.

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Speaker 2: No, it's great they're there, and I know they look

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Speaker 2: forward to seeing it, and they do share some thoughts

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Speaker 2: on wait did you say look forward to staying on US.

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Speaker 3: I no doubt.

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Speaker 1: Uh.

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Speaker 2: They do share some thoughts on the overall you know,

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Speaker 2: draft and different groups and things like that, but this

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Speaker 2: is an entire exercise in saying as little as possible.

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Speaker 1: So figured out it's good to check in with the

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Speaker 1: GM and the coach before the draft and not good

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Speaker 1: to have them tell us lies.

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Speaker 2: After the drafts will be much more insightful. H Huddle

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Speaker 2: Up Podcast tomorrow with Bucky Brooks, JP and Jeff with

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Speaker 2: you for Happy Hour on Thursday. And that'll do it

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Speaker 2: for Drag's Drive time for Kai Stevens and John Oh

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Speaker 2: is youran Brian Sexton. Have a great day, everybody,