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Speaker 1: up that ain't going out. Reinjured it the first first quarter. Okay,

431
00:20:49,119 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: so came out, but I got got myself right for

432
00:20:52,040 --> 00:20:54,600
Speaker 1: the next game. I get wrapped up. Last play of

433
00:20:54,640 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: the game, quarterback throws me the bomb running down the field,

434
00:20:57,320 --> 00:21:00,960
Speaker 1: dislocate my elbow. So I the ankles just starting to

435
00:21:00,960 --> 00:21:03,120
Speaker 1: get better. Now I got the dislocated elbow. Thank god,

436
00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:05,040
Speaker 1: we had a buye week, so I rehabbed and I

437
00:21:05,119 --> 00:21:08,719
Speaker 1: was ready for that next week. Ankle braids, the elbow braids,

438
00:21:10,000 --> 00:21:12,160
Speaker 1: and I and I tuughed it out for like five

439
00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:14,439
Speaker 1: weeks until I finally got healthy. Now I started having

440
00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:16,320
Speaker 1: a hund of your games. And then I got a

441
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,959
Speaker 1: turf toe and I missed four games. People don't understand

442
00:21:19,000 --> 00:21:21,920
Speaker 1: how bad turf toe is. I had have surgery on

443
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:25,000
Speaker 1: my turf toe. That ship is no joke. But all

444
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:28,040
Speaker 1: this you played through. So what you feel like. Obviously,

445
00:21:28,119 --> 00:21:30,600
Speaker 1: cannabis played a huge part in obviously the mental but

446
00:21:30,680 --> 00:21:34,920
Speaker 1: then also the recovery part in in you know the

447
00:21:35,000 --> 00:21:36,680
Speaker 1: truth though, if I if I think if I was

448
00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,480
Speaker 1: smoking more earlier in my career, I think I think

449
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,560
Speaker 1: I could have avoided a lot of because when I

450
00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: started smoking, I didn't get hurt anymore. Recovery, Yeah, it's

451
00:21:46,160 --> 00:21:48,000
Speaker 1: the recovery, but I think even more so it's just

452
00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:49,920
Speaker 1: getting your mind right, because most of the time people

453
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: get hurt. It's like you're you're not You're not you're

454
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:56,000
Speaker 1: not dialed in? What or were you? So I was

455
00:21:56,080 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: someone who smoked the day of the game. Were you

456
00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:01,879
Speaker 1: someone similar or right before? How did you take? I

457
00:22:01,960 --> 00:22:04,560
Speaker 1: mean I was like I was after. I was always after.

458
00:22:05,400 --> 00:22:09,040
Speaker 1: That's because two things. One, I wasn't smoking enough to

459
00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,720
Speaker 1: have my tolerance at that level where I felt comfortable.

460
00:22:12,160 --> 00:22:14,000
Speaker 1: And too, I just think the stigma it didn't even

461
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,879
Speaker 1: occur to me. I don't know if you guys have

462
00:22:15,960 --> 00:22:17,560
Speaker 1: had this moment, but I had this moment. I was.

463
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:21,400
Speaker 1: I was in Jamaica, UM visiting where Bob was born,

464
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,320
Speaker 1: his birthplace, and I was with this his his younger brother,

465
00:22:24,400 --> 00:22:25,960
Speaker 1: and his brother was saying Bob used to go to

466
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,040
Speaker 1: that rock up there and read the smoke and read

467
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:31,560
Speaker 1: the Bible. And I was like, you can smoke and

468
00:22:31,680 --> 00:22:35,320
Speaker 1: read the bottle At that moment, like where something that's

469
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:37,320
Speaker 1: supposed to be good for you or something that's supposed

470
00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:38,760
Speaker 1: to be bad for you, how they could come together?

471
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,280
Speaker 1: And I just was like, damn, So I got my Bible,

472
00:22:41,680 --> 00:22:44,159
Speaker 1: got got my split one up there smoked, and I

473
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:47,040
Speaker 1: like that's when I that's when I had that moment.

474
00:22:47,600 --> 00:22:50,760
Speaker 1: That's when I aint seven is right before. It was

475
00:22:50,800 --> 00:22:53,960
Speaker 1: like a week before I retired, and so like, you know,

476
00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:57,920
Speaker 1: I think, yeah, I think smoking. I had a day

477
00:22:57,920 --> 00:22:59,520
Speaker 1: of practice when I was playing. I played a year

478
00:22:59,560 --> 00:23:04,240
Speaker 1: in Canada and I broke my ankle and uh, it

479
00:23:04,320 --> 00:23:06,200
Speaker 1: messed up my arm. So I wasn't I was in

480
00:23:06,280 --> 00:23:08,359
Speaker 1: rehab and the guys and I was just coming back.

481
00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:10,239
Speaker 1: Then the guys were driving to practice and they were

482
00:23:10,240 --> 00:23:12,400
Speaker 1: passing a blunt around and I was just like, I'm

483
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:14,399
Speaker 1: not playing, So I was like, I'll smoke before a practice.

484
00:23:14,600 --> 00:23:18,000
Speaker 1: I had the most amazing like practice ever. I didn't

485
00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,040
Speaker 1: feel my my pain. I felt like I was a

486
00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:22,920
Speaker 1: kid again out there just bawling. So I got it.

487
00:23:23,000 --> 00:23:26,159
Speaker 1: But it was it was yeah damn. So yeah, I

488
00:23:26,280 --> 00:23:28,199
Speaker 1: was someone who because like I said it, I think

489
00:23:28,240 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: you said it perfectly, like it locks it. It combs

490
00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:32,679
Speaker 1: the outside noise and you lock in on with your

491
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:34,920
Speaker 1: with your job is supposed to be and that's you know,

492
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,919
Speaker 1: the ultimate focus Dick ESPN magazine cover. Yeah, how did

493
00:23:38,960 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: that come abound? Dan Labatard worked for ESPN at the time.

494
00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: He's writing for ESPN the magazine and we become close

495
00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:47,600
Speaker 1: and he reached out and he said, they want to

496
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 1: do a piece for the cover of you and Dica,

497
00:23:50,480 --> 00:23:52,359
Speaker 1: and so they We went back and forth for like

498
00:23:52,440 --> 00:23:55,440
Speaker 1: two months, throw different ideas around about the picture, and

499
00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:57,280
Speaker 1: then one day Dan called and he said, like, what

500
00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,800
Speaker 1: about you got you in a wedding dress and Dicka

501
00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,240
Speaker 1: that in a text like you guys are getting married

502
00:24:03,080 --> 00:24:05,520
Speaker 1: and as on my phone in the in the car,

503
00:24:05,600 --> 00:24:07,200
Speaker 1: and I laughed and I said that'd be funny. I

504
00:24:07,280 --> 00:24:10,040
Speaker 1: was like, yeah, But then when I got there that day,

505
00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 1: I was like, I was like, and then when it

506
00:24:15,119 --> 00:24:16,959
Speaker 1: came out and I and the media had and then

507
00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:21,360
Speaker 1: it really wasn't funny. But yeah, hey that was today boy,

508
00:24:22,040 --> 00:24:24,040
Speaker 1: he said. At first I laughed, but then I got there,

509
00:24:24,080 --> 00:24:27,520
Speaker 1: it wasn't funny. But I had to put the dress

510
00:24:27,560 --> 00:24:29,960
Speaker 1: on him, and like I realized that was what was

511
00:24:30,040 --> 00:24:34,760
Speaker 1: going on was happening. Yeah, yeah, goddamn. Obviously, you know,

512
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:37,080
Speaker 1: you spoke of someone who was never injured until you

513
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:39,399
Speaker 1: got to the Pros. When you're in the Pros and

514
00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: you get injured, the first thing they want to do

515
00:24:41,000 --> 00:24:44,159
Speaker 1: was pump you full of all kinds of different bull zoids.

516
00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,760
Speaker 1: And and and and ship that is masking one problem

517
00:24:46,880 --> 00:24:49,040
Speaker 1: causing long term effects on the other side. Talked to

518
00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:50,920
Speaker 1: us about that process. I know you've been very vocal

519
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:53,240
Speaker 1: with the recovery of it, but just also the whole

520
00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,159
Speaker 1: overall process. Well. I remember one day was I was

521
00:24:57,200 --> 00:24:59,680
Speaker 1: sitting in the in the training room before practice, and

522
00:24:59,760 --> 00:25:01,600
Speaker 1: I was watching each of the guys come in for

523
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:04,800
Speaker 1: practice to get the tortof shot, and I started doing

524
00:25:04,840 --> 00:25:07,000
Speaker 1: the math like I was like if someone played eight

525
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:08,919
Speaker 1: ten years and they have to do this every day

526
00:25:08,960 --> 00:25:10,840
Speaker 1: for practice, Like what is this doing? What is this?

527
00:25:11,000 --> 00:25:13,200
Speaker 1: What is this doing to our bodies? And real quick,

528
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:14,840
Speaker 1: I don't want to cut you off. Please remember your

529
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:17,840
Speaker 1: thoughts toward all is so strong that when I was

530
00:25:17,920 --> 00:25:20,760
Speaker 1: with the Clippers going into the playoffs, I got hit

531
00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 1: by Dwight Howard and UH had a minor tear in

532
00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:27,639
Speaker 1: my shoulder. So during my shooting arm, so during the

533
00:25:27,680 --> 00:25:30,760
Speaker 1: whole round, like during the week, I couldn't barely lift

534
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:32,760
Speaker 1: my arm. I'm doing rehab to lift my arm. I'll

535
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 1: take the tortol shot two ours before the game and

536
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:39,159
Speaker 1: I'm totally fine, totally fine, Like unbelievable. You go to

537
00:25:39,240 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 1: practice without toward all you feel like you're five years old.

538
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 1: You didn't imagine doing in a practice I had in

539
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:46,920
Speaker 1: a game like Superman. That's that's the year we beat

540
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:48,840
Speaker 1: San Antonio in the first round and the last play

541
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: I blocked Kauai. That was my hurt shoulder that the

542
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:53,960
Speaker 1: day before I couldn't even lift. Yeah, yeah, so it's real.

543
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:56,160
Speaker 1: So I understand why. But I was doing the math

544
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: and I said, I gotta find like some other way

545
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,160
Speaker 1: to take care and I just had to smell an

546
00:26:00,240 --> 00:26:02,560
Speaker 1: more and then finding like how to take care of myself.

547
00:26:02,640 --> 00:26:04,680
Speaker 1: Like I spent a little bit more time stretching, and

548
00:26:04,760 --> 00:26:06,879
Speaker 1: also it was when I smoked and stretched, I was

549
00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,800
Speaker 1: really getting in there and like it really like yeah,

550
00:26:10,560 --> 00:26:14,119
Speaker 1: different focus. How many years did you play? At what

551
00:26:14,280 --> 00:26:17,520
Speaker 1: point in your career did you kind of say I'm

552
00:26:17,600 --> 00:26:23,119
Speaker 1: leaving this prescribed medicine from the league behind and solely's

553
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: smoking cannabis or was it always a balance of both?

554
00:26:26,280 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: It was it was a bounce up until that moment

555
00:26:29,800 --> 00:26:32,280
Speaker 1: I just told you about. But after that, I mean

556
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:34,760
Speaker 1: I might have taken something like I had to be

557
00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:36,560
Speaker 1: in a lot of pain before I would take something.

558
00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 1: So and I was probably six or seven years in

559
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: in but I started taking care of myself and I

560
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:46,159
Speaker 1: didn't spend any time in the training room, and the

561
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: trainer just left me alone because they were like, whatever

562
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,680
Speaker 1: you're doing. And I think a running back that you

563
00:26:50,760 --> 00:26:54,200
Speaker 1: get hit the most exactly whether you're blocking or running.

564
00:26:54,520 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 1: That's a beautiful thing. Damn. I think in the in

565
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 1: the long term, like, if the sports teams are to

566
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 1: support players using cannabis, it's gonna save them a lot

567
00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: of a lot of money, point blank, that's not What

568
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:11,240
Speaker 1: do you think about high high profile athletes now not

569
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,479
Speaker 1: necessarily coming out in in hey I'm out here smoking,

570
00:27:14,560 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: but knowing that they do use it, and there's kind

571
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,719
Speaker 1: of a perception now that they're starting to realize like, okay,

572
00:27:20,080 --> 00:27:22,760
Speaker 1: the best players are actually using this too. What did

573
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: you thought about that? I mean, personally, I think that

574
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 1: the players should be out there saying because you know,

575
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 1: what I found is so many people come up to

576
00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,720
Speaker 1: me and they've said, you know, I was like how

577
00:27:35,760 --> 00:27:38,000
Speaker 1: to attitude about this? And I was against it until

578
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,240
Speaker 1: like your story and I saw you and because of that,

579
00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: I tried it and I and it helped me right,

580
00:27:43,680 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: And so I think players coming out and being honest.

581
00:27:45,800 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: It's just gonna really help a lot of people get

582
00:27:47,840 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: access to this that for whatever reason in their mind

583
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,040
Speaker 1: or whatever, they don't have access to it, and stop

584
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 1: worrying about what people think. And I think that's the

585
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:58,439
Speaker 1: biggest part. Like even me, I stopped smoking because I'm Muslim,

586
00:27:58,520 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: but then again, I know I need it. But but

587
00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:03,280
Speaker 1: I know I'm one of the most righteous people alive,

588
00:28:03,400 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. It's just got to get

589
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:06,680
Speaker 1: to the point where you do what's best for you

590
00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:08,720
Speaker 1: and not work about what people say. And I think

591
00:28:08,720 --> 00:28:10,080
Speaker 1: that's why a lot of players don't come out and

592
00:28:10,119 --> 00:28:11,680
Speaker 1: talk about it. But I think a lot of it

593
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:15,159
Speaker 1: is is misinformation. And what I realized is when we

594
00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,879
Speaker 1: were young and so we hear people say like the

595
00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:20,560
Speaker 1: war on drugs, war on drugs. Now that I'm older

596
00:28:20,640 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: and I've gone back and like just studied a little bit,

597
00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:26,960
Speaker 1: it really was a war. Like literally, like the are

598
00:28:27,520 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 1: are this mighty government militarized against Kain's cannabis? Militarized anything?

599
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:35,879
Speaker 1: Like in any war, there's always a lot of casualties

600
00:28:36,400 --> 00:28:39,000
Speaker 1: and it takes a long time to heal. But if

601
00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 1: we go like pre drug war and we really understand

602
00:28:42,040 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: the history of this planet. It was used by righteous

603
00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: people to help them achieve more righteousness. Like that's what

604
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:54,120
Speaker 1: it was for. And and I think too, we're remembering that,

605
00:28:54,240 --> 00:28:56,280
Speaker 1: but we're doing it the hard way because we're like,

606
00:28:56,320 --> 00:28:58,600
Speaker 1: at least for me, I became a better person when

607
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:00,840
Speaker 1: I started. Well, I'm the best man. My wife told

608
00:29:00,880 --> 00:29:02,960
Speaker 1: me that please hurry up back smoke. She used to

609
00:29:03,040 --> 00:29:07,200
Speaker 1: texting me get him back to smoke. He's not the

610
00:29:07,280 --> 00:29:14,280
Speaker 1: same persons needed, just's needed. You traded to Miami in

611
00:29:14,320 --> 00:29:16,160
Speaker 1: two thousand two and led the league in Russian for

612
00:29:16,360 --> 00:29:19,040
Speaker 1: for your first year. You almost had eight hundred carries

613
00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: for those first two years, both of the seasons, your

614
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:24,240
Speaker 1: top twintering for most carris by running back in the season.

615
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: That's a lot of wear and tell on your body

616
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:31,480
Speaker 1: in the NFL, caring that many times, and we know

617
00:29:31,560 --> 00:29:33,440
Speaker 1: how you run. I just told the people that's gonna

618
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: get to the preview that we're running over ship. Yeah,

619
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:38,600
Speaker 1: what was your mind saying? Where's your my friend? Um?

620
00:29:39,560 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 1: The first year when I led the league in Russian,

621
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:44,840
Speaker 1: I averaged four point seven yards of carry, so and

622
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:50,040
Speaker 1: that was great. The next year averaged three point eight

623
00:29:50,120 --> 00:29:53,320
Speaker 1: yards and carry more, carries a lot less yards. That

624
00:29:53,520 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: was not so. But they stack in the lineup ain't stacked,

625
00:29:55,880 --> 00:29:57,760
Speaker 1: you know, it was. It was there stacking the line.

626
00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 1: But but also like I see, like in any sport,

627
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:04,920
Speaker 1: when you have a player that not necessarily the best player,

628
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 1: but the player that everyone is like, thing is everything

629
00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: is built around other team knows if we stop him,

630
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,640
Speaker 1: we're gonna win. You need the other guys on the

631
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 1: team to realize that and step up their game to

632
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,640
Speaker 1: to meet that kind of force. And I think the

633
00:30:16,720 --> 00:30:19,720
Speaker 1: first year the success kind of surprised everyone, and I

634
00:30:19,840 --> 00:30:21,920
Speaker 1: think that second year and you know, when you after

635
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:24,400
Speaker 1: you win and you go back, you can't take it easy.

636
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:26,959
Speaker 1: Everybody's coming for you. So you gotta like take your

637
00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,600
Speaker 1: game to the next level to be able to meet

638
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,480
Speaker 1: that challenge. And I felt like as a as a team,

639
00:30:31,600 --> 00:30:33,880
Speaker 1: everybody did. We did it. And so I was taking

640
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 1: the talk and everybody was like, tee it off on

641
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: my ast. Oh man, let's go ahead more. Oh man, alright,

642
00:30:58,920 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 1: have you started sprint in yet? The carpets need cleaning,

643
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,600
Speaker 1: the drapes need dusting, and your lawn needs mowing. Spring

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Speaker 1: kind of toll did that take on you. Well, I

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Speaker 1: like like to me, it's like you're the one paying

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Speaker 1: money to watch us, you know what I'm saying. So,

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Speaker 1: your At some point, I had to figure out that

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Speaker 1: it's people that are just fans of the sport. But

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Speaker 1: then you've got people that wish they could be you,

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Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And that's where we get

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Speaker 1: the confusion. That you've got people that really they're really

701
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Speaker 1: wish they had like playing Basketball's people that really had

702
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Speaker 1: hoop dreams, they really want to be in the NBA

703
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,600
Speaker 1: that play the man whoever did all that some fun

704
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Speaker 1: everybody that played basketball that made to the NBA. But

705
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Speaker 1: then you got your fans that really love their team.

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Speaker 1: I think the fact that they're sitting together in the stadium,

707
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: it's hard to upbraid the good fans and the bad fans. Yeah,

708
00:34:02,240 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 1: I agree. Is it a coincidence that you just started

709
00:34:04,680 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: drug feeling drug tests around this time? Well? I think

710
00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:09,720
Speaker 1: the other question, is it a coincidence that I started

711
00:34:09,800 --> 00:34:13,839
Speaker 1: leading the league and rushing because because so like when

712
00:34:13,880 --> 00:34:16,120
Speaker 1: I first got to Miami, that's when I really started smoking.

713
00:34:16,160 --> 00:34:18,359
Speaker 1: I remember I would come home after after working out

714
00:34:18,400 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: and I smoke and I would like start to like

715
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Speaker 1: visualize myself like I was killing it, just killing So

716
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Speaker 1: I just had this. I just had this. By the

717
00:34:26,400 --> 00:34:28,759
Speaker 1: time the season came, I just had this knowing that

718
00:34:28,880 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 1: just like I was ready, I was ready. So I

719
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Speaker 1: think that had a lot to do with the tree. Yeah, yeah,

720
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Speaker 1: I love that. I mean we can we can speak

721
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Speaker 1: to that. Yeah. I feel like I gotta be high

722
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Speaker 1: every doing everything. I agree. I'm just there's no way though,

723
00:34:44,360 --> 00:34:47,319
Speaker 1: I can do nothing without it. You're preaching to the choir, yes,

724
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:50,839
Speaker 1: would you? I mean it's like I can't back. I'm sorry, Yeah,

725
00:34:50,880 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: I can't. Two thousand four, Uh you decided to retire?

726
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,320
Speaker 1: What what? Uh? You were over everything? Where are you

727
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:01,320
Speaker 1: went mentally with that? And what made you come to

728
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,880
Speaker 1: that to smoke my tree in peace? Yeah, you know

729
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:06,840
Speaker 1: it's interesting. I feel like sometimes in life, like the

730
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731
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Speaker 1: don't want to hear it, and it's got to like

732
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Speaker 1: tell us really loudly. And so two thousand two I

733
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Speaker 1: led the NFL and rushing two thousand and three, he's

734
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:20,400
Speaker 1: got my tore up. And so coming into the next season,

735
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Speaker 1: you know, I went to the two thousand four, I

736
00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:24,120
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737
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738
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Speaker 1: me to do everything, like you need to take care

739
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740
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Speaker 1: think about the future and think like if I keep

741
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Speaker 1: doing this, I'm not gonna last very long, and like

742
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:37,719
Speaker 1: what am I gonna have to show for it? So

743
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: I said, like, if you're gonna do this, I'm good

744
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Speaker 1: with it, but help me feel good about doing And

745
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: their response, but they went to they they came back

746
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Speaker 1: with the business response, and for me, like a business decision,

747
00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,799
Speaker 1: right is my business decision? Is? This is my only

748
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Speaker 1: body and I have to find a way to take

749
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Speaker 1: care of it. I need to feel good. That's my business.

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Speaker 1: I understand you've got your business and you got salary,

751
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Speaker 1: cap and all that other stuff. Just the way they

752
00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:04,200
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753
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Speaker 1: really they don't really appreciate they're taking me for granted.

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Speaker 1: And so already I was like okay. And then after

755
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756
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Speaker 1: can be, and I realized that it has there's a

758
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Speaker 1: lot more that goes into me being a good football player.

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Speaker 1: And by being a good football player, I've seen that

760
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Speaker 1: I've been kind of like a like not a good

761
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Speaker 1: person at some of these and I started to bother me.

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Speaker 1: So I started to think about like what am I

763
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764
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765
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Speaker 1: some ship because my heart's not in this right now.

766
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Speaker 1: And then with the contract and then all this other

767
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768
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Speaker 1: I hear the messages, time for me to go. So

769
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770
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Speaker 1: like again, my dream as a kid was was to

771
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Speaker 1: make it as a college football player and then have

772
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Speaker 1: some kind of platform where I could like tell people

773
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Speaker 1: like what I think. And I got to the NFL

774
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 1: and people were just like, shut up, shut up, we

775
00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: don't want to hear. Shut up and run. Yeah, we

776
00:37:04,800 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: don't want to hear what you have to say. Just

777
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Speaker 1: go run. And then I, you know, I got to

778
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Speaker 1: the point where I was like, I need to have

779
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Speaker 1: I need to say something. But then I realized, because

780
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: I've been chasing football my whole life, I don't really

781
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Speaker 1: have anything to say. So I left and I started

782
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Speaker 1: traveling just having more experiences and meeting different people, and

783
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,800
Speaker 1: went back to school, started studying things, and I was

784
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Speaker 1: really passionate about so I learned. So I now I

785
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Speaker 1: feel like I have actually something to say. What was

786
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:31,320
Speaker 1: it like because obviously back then, when you were doing it,

787
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:35,960
Speaker 1: the the cannabis was the ultimate no uh, so that

788
00:37:36,120 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: the media content starts to paint a picture of a

789
00:37:38,960 --> 00:37:41,440
Speaker 1: bad person went again. You've been explained to all the

790
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,200
Speaker 1: reasons why uh leading up to this, But how hard

791
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 1: was that having to deal with that on a on

792
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:48,959
Speaker 1: a daily basis? You know, I was fortunate a couple

793
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 1: of things, you know, one back in two times before nobody,

794
00:37:52,680 --> 00:37:55,120
Speaker 1: like we weren't educated about cannabis the way we are now,

795
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,839
Speaker 1: Like outside of California and Oregon, nobody was talking about

796
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,279
Speaker 1: medicinal marijuana, and so I didn't have the language. And

797
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:04,480
Speaker 1: so when it when it first hit the news that

798
00:38:04,920 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 1: failing a drug test was connected to my retirement, I

799
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Speaker 1: had a friend of mine who was leaving the country,

800
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Speaker 1: so I was like, yeah, let's go. So I didn't

801
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Speaker 1: have to really deal with with any of it because

802
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: I was trying. I was traveling around the world. And

803
00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:19,839
Speaker 1: the funny thing is I was traveling around the world,

804
00:38:19,840 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 1: I kept meeting people who like smoked, and so where

805
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: I like, I wasn't not. I wasn't trying to run

806
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Speaker 1: away from it. But I thought it was interesting that

807
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Speaker 1: as I was like out and about, people didn't even

808
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Speaker 1: know who I was. And I kept running into it,

809
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Speaker 1: and I kept running it into it in ways where

810
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Speaker 1: people were talking about it, in ways that I had

811
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812
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Speaker 1: ended up um back in uh in northern California, studying

813
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Speaker 1: ara Veda, which Indian medicine, and I was looking through

814
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815
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816
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Speaker 1: no one was talking about medicinal marijuana. And so I

817
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Speaker 1: started to realize, there's a lot more to this, to

818
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Speaker 1: this thing than than what we've been told. And because

819
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820
00:39:02,200 --> 00:39:04,680
Speaker 1: finally did have to to deal with the media, I

821
00:39:04,760 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 1: felt more supported. And so Mike Wallace from Sixty Minutes

822
00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,160
Speaker 1: came to northern California where I was studying out Ravada,

823
00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: and it was like that interview we found we found

824
00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: Ricky and one of the questions he asked straight up,

825
00:39:16,560 --> 00:39:18,600
Speaker 1: he said, if the NFL drug tested you right now,

826
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:22,239
Speaker 1: would you pass the test? And I remember, you know,

827
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: looking at him, and everything in my head was saying lie, lie,

828
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Speaker 1: Lie lie, and something that I just said, like I

829
00:39:28,360 --> 00:39:31,080
Speaker 1: just said no, I would fail. And it was like

830
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 1: it was this moment where I was being real. This

831
00:39:34,840 --> 00:39:37,360
Speaker 1: was two thousand and four. I was being like honest

832
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833
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:43,440
Speaker 1: supposed to, but it felt like really liberating because I

834
00:39:43,560 --> 00:39:45,680
Speaker 1: wasn't in the NFL. It felt like liberating to be

835
00:39:45,800 --> 00:39:48,439
Speaker 1: able to like to tell my truth and not back

836
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Speaker 1: down from it, you know, and like that to me,

837
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Speaker 1: that was a special moment in my life where I

838
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,520
Speaker 1: kind of said, I'm I'm on this side. I made

839
00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: a statement. So after that, I mean, that was kind

840
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: of obviously a ground break type of situation. What was

841
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:04,520
Speaker 1: the with the feedback on that? Because I always say

842
00:40:04,600 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 1: like you were just ahead of your time, Like if

843
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 1: you came out and did that, now you would be

844
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: leading athletes in this space. I mean, you're obviously one

845
00:40:11,920 --> 00:40:13,560
Speaker 1: of the top people. But to do it back in

846
00:40:13,640 --> 00:40:15,800
Speaker 1: that time in two thousand four, once you kind of

847
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:17,279
Speaker 1: came out and told your truth, it was almost a

848
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,120
Speaker 1: weightlifted on your off your shoulders. What was the what

849
00:40:20,320 --> 00:40:23,200
Speaker 1: was it met with? So you know it funny like

850
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,480
Speaker 1: personally it was it was the coolest thing in the

851
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 1: world because you know, I'd be on the airport, I'd

852
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853
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Speaker 1: at the airport and I was kind of lived up

854
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,800
Speaker 1: there at the time, and some guy like it was

855
00:40:33,960 --> 00:40:36,440
Speaker 1: that same feeling of when somebody recognizes me, but he

856
00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: was like, hey, I got I got something in my car.

857
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 1: You wouldn't come and people would just come up to

858
00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:45,080
Speaker 1: me and just give me weed. Like so it was amazing,

859
00:40:45,239 --> 00:40:47,520
Speaker 1: like the like the one on one dealing with people.

860
00:40:47,600 --> 00:40:49,759
Speaker 1: I felt like I was more real to people and

861
00:40:49,800 --> 00:40:51,600
Speaker 1: there was something up for it to connect on on

862
00:40:51,640 --> 00:40:55,160
Speaker 1: a deeper level. And you know, the NFL. I came

863
00:40:55,200 --> 00:40:57,600
Speaker 1: back to the NFL partially because the Dolphins suited me

864
00:40:57,640 --> 00:41:00,680
Speaker 1: for an eight million dollars um, but also the NFL

865
00:41:00,800 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: kept asking me to come back. Um they wanted, they wanted. Yeah, yeah,

866
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,200
Speaker 1: So I came back and and it was weird. I

867
00:41:09,280 --> 00:41:11,680
Speaker 1: was still in the NFL drug program, but it was

868
00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 1: like nobody just nobody ever talked about it. And one time,

869
00:41:15,360 --> 00:41:17,720
Speaker 1: one time, somebody, one of the people in the media,

870
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,239
Speaker 1: we had like a bye week and we had a

871
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: couple of days off, and he said, do you ever

872
00:41:21,440 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 1: think about smoking weed? And I was just being honest.

873
00:41:23,800 --> 00:41:25,879
Speaker 1: I was like, I think about that ship all the time.

874
00:41:28,640 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: And then it kind of came up and it was like,

875
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:32,800
Speaker 1: you know, coach told me, like, you know, don't be

876
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:35,360
Speaker 1: a distraction. But other than that, people everyone pretended like

877
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:40,200
Speaker 1: pretend like it didn't happen. Yeah, that's crazy. What did

878
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,160
Speaker 1: you really find out about yourself once you stepped away

879
00:41:44,160 --> 00:41:46,160
Speaker 1: from football? I think I found out that I was

880
00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:50,040
Speaker 1: just a more spiritual person than I that I thought,

881
00:41:50,680 --> 00:41:54,880
Speaker 1: And that's what lead you into all the astrology stuff exactly.

882
00:41:54,960 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 1: Just I'm like that, I'm just really curious. I just

883
00:41:57,760 --> 00:42:00,520
Speaker 1: wanted to want to learn exactly. That's all that I

884
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 1: think about. Where else? Uh did you get to travel?

885
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 1: You said you travel the world. Were some of the

886
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:19,080
Speaker 1: favorite places you pit stopped that? I love Thailand? I

887
00:42:19,160 --> 00:42:23,440
Speaker 1: love Thailand. It's beautiful out there. Yeah, Australia was Australia

888
00:42:23,560 --> 00:42:27,719
Speaker 1: was cool because it's different, but everybody speaks English, so

889
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:31,760
Speaker 1: it was different enough, but but it still felt familiar

890
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,000
Speaker 1: enough in your in your travels. Who had the best grass?

891
00:42:36,880 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: Good question? I mean, obviously, um, Amsterdam, but but Hawaii.

892
00:42:43,360 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: Surprisingly we were there. Yeah, we were there. Why I

893
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,719
Speaker 1: was just now the whole another like, I don't know

894
00:42:50,760 --> 00:42:52,840
Speaker 1: if it was that batch or if it's across the board,

895
00:42:52,880 --> 00:42:54,600
Speaker 1: but I had it like it so far out there.

896
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: It was funny because we used to go to Amsterdam

897
00:42:57,160 --> 00:42:59,040
Speaker 1: in the off season, me and some guys that are

898
00:42:59,080 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: still playing, but they said they get a majority there. Uh.

899
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:05,560
Speaker 1: We from California, Northern California in particular. You bounced back

900
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:09,799
Speaker 1: in the league in two thousand five, Right, but you're

901
00:43:09,840 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 1: still dealing with the NFL drug policy. Back and forth,

902
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:16,279
Speaker 1: back and forth. Was there like it's stressful. I know

903
00:43:16,560 --> 00:43:18,879
Speaker 1: it's stressful. You just want to smoke them chill. Well,

904
00:43:18,920 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: you said, you said at one point you learned how

905
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: to be tested and still was this during that time

906
00:43:24,200 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: because I went through different phases, Like the first the

907
00:43:27,040 --> 00:43:29,120
Speaker 1: first time I got into the program, I found this

908
00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,520
Speaker 1: drink okay and just called liquid. We used to use

909
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: something extra extra clear or something okay, and you gotta like,

910
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,320
Speaker 1: you gotta drink it, and then you wait fifty minutes,

911
00:43:39,360 --> 00:43:46,640
Speaker 1: drink about the water, drink about the water. You gotta win.

912
00:43:46,840 --> 00:43:49,400
Speaker 1: You gotta keep peeing, you gotta keep peeing. Yeah, we're

913
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:51,680
Speaker 1: giving away our secause we've never talked about this the

914
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,480
Speaker 1: first time. This is the first time our ship used

915
00:43:54,480 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: to be liquids. That's what got me though, is that

916
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:58,600
Speaker 1: that time that I got caught. The second time is

917
00:43:59,080 --> 00:44:01,360
Speaker 1: like I went out, we lost to the Eagles and

918
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: we got knocked out of the playoffs, and I just

919
00:44:03,000 --> 00:44:05,440
Speaker 1: was like, went too hard that night, and so he

920
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:07,160
Speaker 1: would come at six o'clock in the morning, so I

921
00:44:07,239 --> 00:44:10,600
Speaker 1: wake up at five the process and I fell back asleep.

922
00:44:10,960 --> 00:44:14,360
Speaker 1: Didn't get that. I didn't get off barely. I just

923
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:16,719
Speaker 1: barely failed. You got to get at least three to

924
00:44:16,800 --> 00:44:20,520
Speaker 1: four clear. So that was how he got so speaking

925
00:44:20,560 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 1: to your ship. So when I was I was in

926
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: the program with the Clippers and got traded to Memphis,

927
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 1: and uh, the p man was coming once a week,

928
00:44:28,960 --> 00:44:31,880
Speaker 1: so I would be clean all week. He would come

929
00:44:32,040 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 1: to him by name. He would actually I did know

930
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 1: his Now I forgot to ship, but I'll be clean

931
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:38,439
Speaker 1: all week and then the day he test me, I'll

932
00:44:38,520 --> 00:44:41,839
Speaker 1: smoke the entire day and then try to get cleaned

933
00:44:41,840 --> 00:44:43,680
Speaker 1: the whole entire week, and I'd be able to take that.

934
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: That was my second That was my second way. At

935
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:47,799
Speaker 1: the second time when I came back, it was only

936
00:44:47,840 --> 00:44:49,480
Speaker 1: once a week, and and then I got to the

937
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: point where I realized I could take three hits and

938
00:44:51,440 --> 00:44:54,239
Speaker 1: pass the test the next day, three hits and pass

939
00:44:54,280 --> 00:44:55,640
Speaker 1: the next day. So you would just want to take

940
00:44:55,640 --> 00:44:58,680
Speaker 1: a drink, drink a bunch of water, just because I

941
00:44:58,760 --> 00:45:02,040
Speaker 1: was like as an athlete where cycling the cannabis when

942
00:45:02,080 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: it comes out, it's because it's stored. But if you

943
00:45:04,120 --> 00:45:08,000
Speaker 1: don't smoke enough to store it. Yeah, you was microL

944
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: doce micro doce. Yeah, but but because I was in

945
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,399
Speaker 1: the program and micro doce worked. You know, when you're

946
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:16,000
Speaker 1: only doing like three hits, not as much exactly get

947
00:45:16,040 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 1: you where you need to be exactly. I didn't have

948
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,880
Speaker 1: the powerm you all the way in I'm going, so

949
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,840
Speaker 1: I go to sleep. That's how it was that I

950
00:45:24,960 --> 00:45:27,520
Speaker 1: had some ships shipped shipped up from Cali and every

951
00:45:27,600 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: once a week I could to smoke once a week,

952
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,399
Speaker 1: so I burned it down like to three joints. I'd

953
00:45:31,520 --> 00:45:34,360
Speaker 1: probably pass out in my chair. It was on the

954
00:45:34,440 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 1: regular wake up and just I had to get it

955
00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:39,399
Speaker 1: into We've never talked about that because I never wanted

956
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,200
Speaker 1: to bust no one out. But since there, they don't

957
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 1: test for it no more. Because everyone used to say

958
00:45:43,200 --> 00:45:44,279
Speaker 1: what do you used to take? And we used to

959
00:45:44,280 --> 00:45:45,719
Speaker 1: have to tell it but it was liquid from g

960
00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: NC or when they didn't have liquid. I would just say, yo,

961
00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:50,360
Speaker 1: what I would go to I'd be real to do,

962
00:45:50,560 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: like I got to pass a P test, what do

963
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,320
Speaker 1: you recommend? What's the hardest cleanser you have? And that

964
00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:55,800
Speaker 1: would give it to you, But you would feel like

965
00:45:55,840 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: ship though, because you had to take that drink. Now,

966
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,239
Speaker 1: I just used to take a bunch of water. I

967
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,040
Speaker 1: used to have my trainers. I used to drop some

968
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:03,800
Speaker 1: of my trainers some bread to give me a heads up, like,

969
00:46:03,840 --> 00:46:06,080
Speaker 1: because they got to a point, we're doing four randoms

970
00:46:06,160 --> 00:46:07,879
Speaker 1: during the season. We didn't know what else coming four

971
00:46:08,000 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: randoms in the season. This is not even in the

972
00:46:10,360 --> 00:46:13,960
Speaker 1: program though, This is just regular four random tests. So

973
00:46:14,480 --> 00:46:16,400
Speaker 1: I would always, you know, I get some of my

974
00:46:16,480 --> 00:46:18,080
Speaker 1: trainers some bread, like just give me a heads up

975
00:46:18,080 --> 00:46:20,080
Speaker 1: in the morning they come. So sometimes I do that

976
00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 1: whole process and be bloated like a motherfucker. I didn't

977
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:24,919
Speaker 1: even get tested. I was pissed. But at one point

978
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,280
Speaker 1: we knew that you can go on the drug program

979
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 1: and still smoke, so we told them earlier live. He

980
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: was like, Man, I'm pissing dirty just putting me in

981
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: the program and you can stand up. I stay in

982
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 1: the program. Damn. The three seasons. It wasn't no penalties there.

983
00:46:40,160 --> 00:46:41,839
Speaker 1: That they wasn't They wasn't help you as long as

984
00:46:41,880 --> 00:46:43,399
Speaker 1: you in the program. You just gotta pay a certain

985
00:46:43,400 --> 00:46:45,479
Speaker 1: amount of times and something because but it was really

986
00:46:45,719 --> 00:46:47,920
Speaker 1: just staying in that mother for three years. If you're

987
00:46:47,920 --> 00:46:49,879
Speaker 1: in the program and you get popped, that's like four

988
00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:52,719
Speaker 1: games suspension. It's like, and it keeps getting worse. It

989
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,640
Speaker 1: probably worse some penalties, but Jack probably just maneuvered. When

990
00:46:55,640 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 1: I first got in the league, it was one drug

991
00:46:57,320 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: test like them, it was a preseason when they got

992
00:46:59,520 --> 00:47:01,719
Speaker 1: the whole two too, so we could we had we

993
00:47:01,800 --> 00:47:03,239
Speaker 1: had weight in the car as soon as we got

994
00:47:03,320 --> 00:47:05,640
Speaker 1: out of practice that day. That's how it used to be.

995
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,600
Speaker 1: How did determinate relationship with the NFL and pack ther image?

996
00:47:08,640 --> 00:47:11,760
Speaker 1: Though I know that kind of pissed you off, honestly,

997
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:14,680
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, it actually helped. It

998
00:47:14,760 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 1: actually helped. I mean I had to come back and

999
00:47:17,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 1: like finish my career and like earn that kind of

1000
00:47:20,560 --> 00:47:23,040
Speaker 1: respect and carry myself a certain way. But at the

1001
00:47:23,120 --> 00:47:25,560
Speaker 1: end of the day it turns into like a redemption

1002
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:30,480
Speaker 1: story and it allows me now to tell positive exactly right,

1003
00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:34,279
Speaker 1: I was right the whole time. Yeah, basically straight up?

1004
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,279
Speaker 1: What was it like? Real quick? I want to know,

1005
00:47:36,280 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: because my brother played with the Argonauts and running a

1006
00:47:38,640 --> 00:47:40,840
Speaker 1: great cup, what was that experience? Light? Because I was

1007
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: the one thing he was a receiver and he said

1008
00:47:42,520 --> 00:47:45,600
Speaker 1: they used to just that the treatment was low grade.

1009
00:47:45,719 --> 00:47:48,600
Speaker 1: Just it was tough to really make it if you

1010
00:47:48,719 --> 00:47:51,719
Speaker 1: come from even like college and staste to something and

1011
00:47:51,800 --> 00:47:55,880
Speaker 1: then you go to that. I mean, our like facility

1012
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,400
Speaker 1: were trailers, you know, trailers we need like our on

1013
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:03,239
Speaker 1: our team meeting room was just a trailer. But but

1014
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,920
Speaker 1: I will say, like if you if you really are

1015
00:48:05,960 --> 00:48:09,839
Speaker 1: about the game, you know, then it I can bring

1016
00:48:09,920 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: you back to it. And for me it did, like

1017
00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: because if they're only certain there's only a certain number

1018
00:48:15,680 --> 00:48:17,360
Speaker 1: of American players that can be on the team. So

1019
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:19,560
Speaker 1: most of the American guy like stayed in the same area.

1020
00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:22,120
Speaker 1: So it was kind of like college and after after

1021
00:48:22,200 --> 00:48:24,520
Speaker 1: practice we just go play. It was Toronto, yeah, and

1022
00:48:24,600 --> 00:48:26,840
Speaker 1: it was Toronto and it was Toronto, right, yeah, so

1023
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:29,239
Speaker 1: it was I had a wonderful experience, did you you know?

1024
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:31,759
Speaker 1: My brother said he loved it, but he's just like

1025
00:48:31,840 --> 00:48:34,000
Speaker 1: as far as like the amenities and trying to keep

1026
00:48:34,080 --> 00:48:36,520
Speaker 1: your body on top of it, it's tough. It's maybe

1027
00:48:36,600 --> 00:48:39,799
Speaker 1: like the gear, you know, trying to get it was tough,

1028
00:48:40,200 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: like idea every but I used to have to give

1029
00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,839
Speaker 1: this away and now I can't even getting up. When

1030
00:48:45,880 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: you initially stepped away from the game. Was there you

1031
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,600
Speaker 1: said you started traveling right away? Was there ever kind

1032
00:48:51,640 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: of like a null? Because I kind of feel like

1033
00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:55,160
Speaker 1: when people step away from something they've been accustomed to

1034
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:56,840
Speaker 1: their whole life, there's kind of a little did you

1035
00:48:56,880 --> 00:48:58,759
Speaker 1: ever hit the rut or you just kept much? I

1036
00:48:58,800 --> 00:49:01,120
Speaker 1: just saw I was going so hardcore just to like

1037
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:03,879
Speaker 1: because it was something that was building up. It wasn't

1038
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:06,120
Speaker 1: like I was. It was something that was building up,

1039
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:08,080
Speaker 1: and I just knew I needed to like sold my

1040
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:10,200
Speaker 1: royal old so SEEI the see the world. So I

1041
00:49:10,320 --> 00:49:12,960
Speaker 1: was on it and that way I went on and

1042
00:49:13,080 --> 00:49:14,400
Speaker 1: I got to this point where I was like, this

1043
00:49:14,600 --> 00:49:17,239
Speaker 1: is great, but for my life to really take off,

1044
00:49:17,280 --> 00:49:19,040
Speaker 1: I need to go back to the league and clear

1045
00:49:19,120 --> 00:49:21,759
Speaker 1: my name not that, and so it kind of it

1046
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,480
Speaker 1: led me back. But I came back and the biggest

1047
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: difference was before I was kind of in this there's

1048
00:49:27,160 --> 00:49:28,680
Speaker 1: no man's land of like what do I have to

1049
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: do to like keep this? And when I came back,

1050
00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:33,440
Speaker 1: it was more like what can my career, what can

1051
00:49:33,440 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: the NFL do like do for me? And so I

1052
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:38,960
Speaker 1: was just more intentional. Did you get what you were

1053
00:49:38,960 --> 00:49:41,279
Speaker 1: looking for? I got exactly where I cleared my name,

1054
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: I was able to walk away and with the platform

1055
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 1: intact that I now have access to. So yeah, uh,

1056
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:51,480
Speaker 1: you recently launched Heisman. What are your hopes and visions

1057
00:49:51,800 --> 00:49:54,120
Speaker 1: in this cannabis space with that? I mean really a

1058
00:49:54,200 --> 00:49:59,160
Speaker 1: lot of this of these conversations, you know, because like

1059
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,000
Speaker 1: I'm hard core, and I'm saying because most people, they say,

1060
00:50:02,120 --> 00:50:04,839
Speaker 1: you know, they'll talk about using cannabis, but then they'll

1061
00:50:04,840 --> 00:50:06,960
Speaker 1: have all their reasons. You know, I've heard or this

1062
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: or that, And I'm saying, like, more like this kind

1063
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: of conversation where people are talking about like did you

1064
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:16,319
Speaker 1: take your medicine today? You know where it is people

1065
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:21,239
Speaker 1: I feel comfortable saying I need this. I need because

1066
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,600
Speaker 1: people say like I need this for a lot of reasons.

1067
00:50:23,680 --> 00:50:25,600
Speaker 1: But when you're saying something, I need this because this

1068
00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,920
Speaker 1: makes me a better person, I think, you know exactly,

1069
00:50:30,040 --> 00:50:32,480
Speaker 1: that's the biggest thingment you can make. Yeah, I think, yeah,

1070
00:50:32,480 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: I mean I just think hearing the why you know

1071
00:50:35,000 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: this is why. But they've never heard athletes say why.

1072
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:39,279
Speaker 1: It was always just a stigma your you're this, you're that,

1073
00:50:39,480 --> 00:50:41,680
Speaker 1: you're you're you're you know, you're not focused but when

1074
00:50:41,719 --> 00:50:43,920
Speaker 1: you actually hear the reasons why, you can't argue with it.

1075
00:50:44,120 --> 00:50:46,279
Speaker 1: The crazy part, though, is like, is this is what

1076
00:50:46,360 --> 00:50:48,839
Speaker 1: I noticed? Is I believe that too? So I thought

1077
00:50:48,880 --> 00:50:50,520
Speaker 1: I was doing something wrong, and so I took a

1078
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:52,680
Speaker 1: step back and I said, like, really, what is going on?

1079
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,800
Speaker 1: And I was like, uh, And it might sound crazy,

1080
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:58,239
Speaker 1: but at that time, at least from my body's perspective,

1081
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,279
Speaker 1: this was better for me. Even football anything. Talk to

1082
00:51:02,360 --> 00:51:05,760
Speaker 1: them real ship. I mean, my I started smoking at fourteen,

1083
00:51:06,000 --> 00:51:08,160
Speaker 1: and I didn't really know. Obviously I didn't need it

1084
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 1: for the pain at that time, but I had just

1085
00:51:09,480 --> 00:51:11,719
Speaker 1: had a tough upbringing. And I remember the first thing

1086
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: you said is it just calmed everything on the outside.

1087
00:51:14,600 --> 00:51:16,439
Speaker 1: And I knew when I smoked it would take me there.

1088
00:51:17,040 --> 00:51:19,399
Speaker 1: So fast forward, you know, I'm forty two now, I've

1089
00:51:19,400 --> 00:51:21,879
Speaker 1: been smoking, you know, for more than half of my life.

1090
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:24,799
Speaker 1: But we can always, we can explain until we're blew

1091
00:51:24,840 --> 00:51:27,880
Speaker 1: in the face. But I think that the real breakthrough

1092
00:51:27,960 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: was when they were started having medical research behind this.

1093
00:51:30,680 --> 00:51:32,799
Speaker 1: So now we're saying what we're saying is backed up

1094
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: by actual information, and I think obviously that's why it's

1095
00:51:36,239 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: moving the needle now, but it's we've been saying this,

1096
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: we just didn't have, like you said, the terminology, I

1097
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:43,399
Speaker 1: guess is what they needed. And I think it's more

1098
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: more people that are are successful in life come out

1099
00:51:46,440 --> 00:51:48,439
Speaker 1: and tell their story. I think that's going to drive

1100
00:51:48,480 --> 00:51:50,919
Speaker 1: you more. It's going to change the research questions. Yeah,

1101
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,160
Speaker 1: I agree, So speak to exactly. I mean, you have

1102
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: it pretty narrow focused on different you know, aspects of

1103
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,080
Speaker 1: the cannabis space. So speak to us about your and

1104
00:52:00,160 --> 00:52:01,759
Speaker 1: in the names of each and what you decided to

1105
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: go this route. Yeah, so like overall, you know, creating

1106
00:52:05,000 --> 00:52:07,160
Speaker 1: a brand. When I got into the cannabis space, like

1107
00:52:07,239 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 1: I saw it's like what people were calling a brand

1108
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:12,560
Speaker 1: is you just create some like fancy packaging and then

1109
00:52:12,600 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 1: you convince people that yours is better than the next.

1110
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,120
Speaker 1: And that's a brand. And to me, h, I think

1111
00:52:18,160 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 1: I get it. And there are people doing a great job.

1112
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,399
Speaker 1: But for me, if I'm gonna do a brand, it's

1113
00:52:21,400 --> 00:52:23,279
Speaker 1: gotta be like be part of it, has to be

1114
00:52:23,400 --> 00:52:25,239
Speaker 1: part of me that that I'm putting out there. And

1115
00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:27,960
Speaker 1: so I thinking I was saying like earlier about I

1116
00:52:28,040 --> 00:52:30,279
Speaker 1: had this experience of how cannabis actually helped me be

1117
00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,600
Speaker 1: a better football player and a better person, and so

1118
00:52:33,120 --> 00:52:35,719
Speaker 1: helping people make these connections. And one of the ways

1119
00:52:35,960 --> 00:52:37,959
Speaker 1: simple ways we did that is through our the naming

1120
00:52:37,960 --> 00:52:42,080
Speaker 1: convention of our flower and instead of the more conventional

1121
00:52:42,600 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: sativa indica hybrid, we call the more sativa leaning stradients.

1122
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:50,920
Speaker 1: Pregame the hybrids halftime in the indicase post game, right,

1123
00:52:50,960 --> 00:52:57,279
Speaker 1: so it's you're a heavy indicata, you pre game the

1124
00:52:57,360 --> 00:53:00,160
Speaker 1: post game exactly. And then and then we've been we've

1125
00:53:00,200 --> 00:53:03,279
Speaker 1: been having fun with the different like straining is really

1126
00:53:03,360 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: trying to connect the genetics with our favorite athletes. Oh

1127
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:09,359
Speaker 1: that's dope. Yeah, yeah, I definitely want to check that out.

1128
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:12,160
Speaker 1: Traditionally someone who was kind of private, but you you

1129
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,120
Speaker 1: really started to open up more with two docks on

1130
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,120
Speaker 1: a TV game show. Working on a biopic. Who you

1131
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 1: want to play you? I feel like it's going to

1132
00:53:22,120 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 1: be some unknown person that if there was, if there

1133
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,880
Speaker 1: was a famous person, though they're a famous person to

1134
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: play you because he is tough because we have to

1135
00:53:29,120 --> 00:53:31,120
Speaker 1: go to that aide, that age range, and I had like,

1136
00:53:31,880 --> 00:53:34,919
Speaker 1: I don't really know that many actors in that age range.

1137
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:37,239
Speaker 1: So you're gonna put someone on the map I can.

1138
00:53:37,400 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 1: I'm gonna put somebody on. Somebody's gonna just blow us

1139
00:53:39,800 --> 00:53:44,400
Speaker 1: away into Yeah. Are you obviously more comfortable in the

1140
00:53:44,480 --> 00:53:47,640
Speaker 1: public eye now and and and just kind of freely

1141
00:53:47,719 --> 00:53:50,560
Speaker 1: out here kind of being yourself or is it still

1142
00:53:50,640 --> 00:53:52,040
Speaker 1: kind of like you to still kind of hold back

1143
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:54,640
Speaker 1: a little bit? Yeah, I'm I'm out there now. I

1144
00:53:55,200 --> 00:53:57,359
Speaker 1: like got to the point where I really yeah, I did,

1145
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,520
Speaker 1: really don't care anymore. It's me. Yeah, take a little

1146
00:54:00,600 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 1: take a leave it. At a certain point in life,

1147
00:54:02,280 --> 00:54:04,880
Speaker 1: like you realize the young people need guidance and if

1148
00:54:04,880 --> 00:54:06,960
Speaker 1: we're trying to pretend to be something else, that's not

1149
00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:09,359
Speaker 1: that's not a good that's not a good example. That's

1150
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,160
Speaker 1: so and that's a shifty way to live. I tell you,

1151
00:54:11,280 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 1: be you the best you can be. Is you so

1152
00:54:14,400 --> 00:54:16,480
Speaker 1: hard of being somebody else? That's the hardest thing to do.

1153
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,080
Speaker 1: Just be yourself. Everyone else is already and and and

1154
00:54:19,200 --> 00:54:21,520
Speaker 1: the people that supposed to be in your life and

1155
00:54:21,560 --> 00:54:23,439
Speaker 1: as supposed to support you and love you, they're gonna

1156
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:25,760
Speaker 1: be there regardless of who you are. Love. Just be yourself.

1157
00:54:26,239 --> 00:54:28,520
Speaker 1: I had that same awareness when I left. Everybody thought

1158
00:54:28,520 --> 00:54:30,800
Speaker 1: I was crazy, but my experience was this is the

1159
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,359
Speaker 1: happiest I ever been, And so I was like, people

1160
00:54:33,400 --> 00:54:35,479
Speaker 1: in my life that can that are happy that I'm happy,

1161
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:37,600
Speaker 1: those are my people and people that have a problem

1162
00:54:37,640 --> 00:54:42,160
Speaker 1: with that. Yeah, writings on the wall. Well, man, we

1163
00:54:42,800 --> 00:54:45,240
Speaker 1: appreciate your time. We're gonna come down to quick hitters

1164
00:54:45,280 --> 00:54:48,040
Speaker 1: being first seen across your mind. Let us know who

1165
00:54:48,080 --> 00:54:50,560
Speaker 1: are some of the people in the cannabis space. Uh,

1166
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:54,919
Speaker 1: you look up to h right now. The first person

1167
00:54:54,960 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 1: that comes to mind is Chris Baulky Ball family farm.

1168
00:54:58,960 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: That's there for that's as far Yeah, I mean just

1169
00:55:01,120 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: like Hart and just like what he's what he the

1170
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:05,440
Speaker 1: opportunity has and what he's doing with it. You know.

1171
00:55:05,520 --> 00:55:10,000
Speaker 1: He talks about cultivating the culture. And I think sometimes

1172
00:55:10,080 --> 00:55:12,920
Speaker 1: when I when I think about the industry, like it

1173
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,800
Speaker 1: makes me sad sometimes because it's becomes just about like

1174
00:55:16,080 --> 00:55:18,719
Speaker 1: starting to become just about the money. And what I

1175
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,080
Speaker 1: love about what Chris is doing, it's really about the plant.

1176
00:55:22,360 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: We did a collab with him, yeah about shut out

1177
00:55:24,840 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 1: the family and flower something. He's got some ship over there. Yeah.

1178
00:55:29,080 --> 00:55:32,360
Speaker 1: What's the longest time you spent meditating like in one city?

1179
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:36,279
Speaker 1: Four hours? Probably? Wow, But that's not a lot, like,

1180
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: that's not that's I got. I got probably close to

1181
00:55:39,719 --> 00:55:42,880
Speaker 1: thirty minutes. But you fall asleep now. But you know

1182
00:55:42,920 --> 00:55:45,680
Speaker 1: when I pray, you know, after I pray, Yeah, yeah,

1183
00:55:45,960 --> 00:55:47,759
Speaker 1: this was like time was up in the him and

1184
00:55:47,840 --> 00:55:51,480
Speaker 1: as like just up there to meditate. That's that's a

1185
00:55:51,520 --> 00:55:53,799
Speaker 1: long time. So when you say that's when you say

1186
00:55:53,840 --> 00:55:55,440
Speaker 1: it's not a long time. What is a long time

1187
00:55:55,520 --> 00:55:57,359
Speaker 1: to someone who is actually in the space and really

1188
00:55:58,080 --> 00:56:02,480
Speaker 1: well to me, people like me honestly, a good meditation

1189
00:56:02,640 --> 00:56:06,600
Speaker 1: is five minutes. It's just about centering yourself and then

1190
00:56:06,880 --> 00:56:08,399
Speaker 1: because if someone needs to go out in the day,

1191
00:56:08,760 --> 00:56:11,200
Speaker 1: five minutes you're centered. But if you know, I was

1192
00:56:11,320 --> 00:56:13,719
Speaker 1: on retreat. I was like out for a couple of months,

1193
00:56:13,760 --> 00:56:16,120
Speaker 1: and I was trying to like go deeper into myself.

1194
00:56:16,239 --> 00:56:18,600
Speaker 1: And so it's like you sit for five minutes and

1195
00:56:18,719 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 1: things like settle down to a certain level. But as

1196
00:56:21,640 --> 00:56:23,960
Speaker 1: you sit there, like more stuff comes to the surface,

1197
00:56:24,360 --> 00:56:26,160
Speaker 1: you know, and then if you can sit there then

1198
00:56:26,200 --> 00:56:28,879
Speaker 1: that settles. Then just the more time it just gives

1199
00:56:28,920 --> 00:56:31,359
Speaker 1: your ability to just go. So what do you come.

1200
00:56:31,400 --> 00:56:33,279
Speaker 1: I'm someone that's kind of wanting to get what are

1201
00:56:33,360 --> 00:56:36,120
Speaker 1: you actually focusing on? Why you try to if you say,

1202
00:56:36,120 --> 00:56:39,200
Speaker 1: a five power five minute meditation, what so your things

1203
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:40,800
Speaker 1: are coming to your mind? What do you do to

1204
00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: so what the simplest technique. And really what meditation is

1205
00:56:44,960 --> 00:56:47,040
Speaker 1: about is it doesn't really matter what the point of

1206
00:56:47,080 --> 00:56:49,800
Speaker 1: focus is. So when people when we're playing our sport,

1207
00:56:49,920 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 1: we're doing our thing and we're in his own that's

1208
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:55,560
Speaker 1: the meditation because meditation just means the nature of our mind.

1209
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,919
Speaker 1: It just goes in all these different directions all the time.

1210
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:00,759
Speaker 1: And meditation is just bringing the medical just bringing it back.

1211
00:57:00,760 --> 00:57:02,480
Speaker 1: It doesn't even matter what the point. Some people use

1212
00:57:02,520 --> 00:57:05,439
Speaker 1: a mantra, some people use their heart or their their head,

1213
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:07,680
Speaker 1: but it's just having it could be a thought and

1214
00:57:07,800 --> 00:57:10,719
Speaker 1: idea a person. It's just having one thing that you

1215
00:57:10,800 --> 00:57:14,040
Speaker 1: can bring the mind back to. I mean this is

1216
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: why sports, I think, especially at our level, it's so

1217
00:57:16,880 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 1: beneficial because it forces you to learn to meditate. Right,

1218
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 1: your mind wasn't going what you got a job to do.

1219
00:57:21,640 --> 00:57:24,000
Speaker 1: So the mind is trained to be focused on one

1220
00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: So for us, like we know how to meditate, you know,

1221
00:57:29,120 --> 00:57:30,600
Speaker 1: it's just we just got to do something that that

1222
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:34,840
Speaker 1: has our attention and the mind football focus. But but

1223
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 1: that's all meditation. It's just training the mind when it

1224
00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,440
Speaker 1: goes here to bring it back here. And then once

1225
00:57:39,480 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 1: it's like it gets trained and stops wandering and can

1226
00:57:41,800 --> 00:57:44,360
Speaker 1: sit in one place, and then it becomes more profound.

1227
00:57:44,520 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: You notice more things. Are there any other things, uh, psilocybin, mushrooms,

1228
00:57:52,400 --> 00:57:55,200
Speaker 1: anything in that psychedelic realm, so to speak, that you

1229
00:57:55,240 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 1: feel that can help people. I think all of the

1230
00:57:57,760 --> 00:58:01,120
Speaker 1: psychedelics because and I consider can to miss psychedelic. It's

1231
00:58:01,160 --> 00:58:04,080
Speaker 1: just miles something you can do more on a daily basis.

1232
00:58:04,160 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 1: I think a lot of the other psychedelics they're more

1233
00:58:06,880 --> 00:58:09,440
Speaker 1: like when you gotta flush your system out, you know.

1234
00:58:09,960 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 1: But I think that cannabis is more like the daily maintenance.

1235
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:17,320
Speaker 1: And even the worst psychedelic it means soul revealing, right,

1236
00:58:17,360 --> 00:58:20,640
Speaker 1: revealing ourselves to ourselves or another word they uses intagen

1237
00:58:20,960 --> 00:58:23,080
Speaker 1: is the god within. So I think all of these

1238
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:26,440
Speaker 1: substances that's it's the same thing as meditation. It's just

1239
00:58:26,600 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 1: getting your mind off the bullshit and just focusing on

1240
00:58:29,000 --> 00:58:33,240
Speaker 1: something that's like more real. Five dinner guests dead are alive,

1241
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 1: So definitely Bob Sir, definitely Pop And then I'm like

1242
00:58:41,480 --> 00:58:48,160
Speaker 1: Jesus Mohammed and uh ROOMI who's that? He's? Uh? He

1243
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:54,720
Speaker 1: was a mystic poet talk about him? Yeah, yeah, he's

1244
00:58:54,720 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: a look good. Yeah. What ortis do you currently have

1245
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: on rotation? And what remusic you best? The best describes

1246
00:59:01,760 --> 00:59:05,760
Speaker 1: your running style? Two questions? Um, so what do I

1247
00:59:05,920 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: listen to you right now? Is? I repeat? I just

1248
00:59:07,880 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 1: have it? Is Damian Marley. I listened to all of

1249
00:59:10,040 --> 00:59:11,840
Speaker 1: Marley's a lot, but right now and I've just been

1250
00:59:11,880 --> 00:59:16,160
Speaker 1: on Damian for for a minute. Jem rock Yeah yeah,

1251
00:59:17,200 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: and you're running style? What kind of music is? That's

1252
00:59:19,440 --> 00:59:23,760
Speaker 1: a good one. I think, Uh, like I came up

1253
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 1: in nineties West Coast hip hop. It's like smooth and

1254
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:37,760
Speaker 1: then it hits it. Yeah yeah yeah. What's the first

1255
00:59:37,800 --> 00:59:39,680
Speaker 1: thing you do when you wake up and the last

1256
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: thing you do before you go to sleep? The first

1257
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:45,280
Speaker 1: thing I do when I wake up is um, I

1258
00:59:45,520 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: roll up, and then I pray, and then you smoke

1259
00:59:48,840 --> 00:59:52,160
Speaker 1: after you. I smoke after I noticed. I noticed. This morning,

1260
00:59:52,200 --> 00:59:55,160
Speaker 1: I rolled up. I rolled up first, then I went upstairs.

1261
00:59:55,640 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 1: Some mornings I prayed first, but this morning I rolled up,

1262
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:02,280
Speaker 1: then I prayed, then I smoked, and then I read, meditate, um,

1263
01:00:02,320 --> 01:00:04,160
Speaker 1: and before I go to bed, I'm always reading. I

1264
01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,600
Speaker 1: read and smoke until I fall asleep. M I pray

1265
01:00:08,040 --> 01:00:11,600
Speaker 1: that it takes smoke every more. Yeah, if you can

1266
01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:14,200
Speaker 1: see one person on our show, who would it be?

1267
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:18,480
Speaker 1: But before you answer that, you have to help us

1268
01:00:18,520 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: get your answer on the show. All right, Janet Ico,

1269
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:25,720
Speaker 1: Oh that's dope, and she smokes heavy to Jackie Burn. Yes,

1270
01:00:26,040 --> 01:00:30,000
Speaker 1: do you know her? I don't. Hey, we're gonna put

1271
01:00:30,000 --> 01:00:33,320
Speaker 1: a college big. We need both of y'all. Both of

1272
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,160
Speaker 1: you'all big show. There's room for both y'all. Well, man,

1273
01:00:37,240 --> 01:00:40,240
Speaker 1: that's a rap, Ricky Man. We appreciate your time. I'm

1274
01:00:40,280 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: glad we got a chance to talk to you. Man.

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Speaker 1: I've been a big fan of yours for a long time. Obviously,

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Speaker 1: I'm a huge football fan. But the game that that

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Speaker 1: you were before your time in the cannabis space, and uh,

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Speaker 1: you know, we're someone like myself and my brother Al Harrington.

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Speaker 1: We really kind of took that Jackson and really kind

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Speaker 1: of continue to push the narrative, man, But I feel

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Speaker 1: like it really started with you, man. I appreciate what

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Speaker 1: you do. We need it, definitely. I'm a Texas boar,

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Speaker 1: so I'm a different type of fan. We got something

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Speaker 1: for you. Yeah, I always forget that our own merch.

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Speaker 1: Y'all ain't getting his bag, but we got a black

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Speaker 1: back by bar Ricky. You can get it all of

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Speaker 1: all the smoke dot store. There you go what I'm

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Speaker 1: saying for? Here we go, bro, Yeah, a little parting, gifts,

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Speaker 1: sweat soup. Yeah, you fresh with you, step out on

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Speaker 1: and when you're rolling up, just don't get don't ash

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Speaker 1: on it. I was gonna say that's the thing. I

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Speaker 1: don't mind ash I just don't like the brow. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 1: that's a rap with our man, Ricky Williams. You can

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Speaker 1: catch all the smoke on Showtime Basketball YouTube and the

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Speaker 1: I Heart platform Black Effects. See y'all next week.