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Speaker 1: On this episode of The Newsworld. From his earliest beginnings

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Speaker 1: in international law and finance, Mitchell Silk's story illustrates how

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Speaker 1: perseverance and divine providence led him become the first Hasidic

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Speaker 1: Jew ever confirmed by the Senate for a position in

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Speaker 1: the US federal government and a consequential leader in Trump's Treasury.

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Speaker 1: In his new book, A Seat at the Table, An

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Speaker 1: Inside Account of Trump's Global Economic Revolution, he describes his

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Speaker 1: role as Assistant Sector of the Treasury, in which he

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Speaker 1: played a senior role in the trade negotiations with China,

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Speaker 1: designed and implemented both the landmark America Crees Initiative and

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Speaker 1: that spurred infrastructure growth through private capital solutions in Latin

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Speaker 1: America and beyond. I'm really pleased to welcome my guest,

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Speaker 1: Mitchell So. He's a graduate of Georgetown University and the

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Speaker 1: University of Maryland Law School. He is fluent in Mandarin

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Speaker 1: and Cantonese and actively engages in pro bono work within

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Speaker 1: the Jewish community. He currently serves as Group General counsel

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Speaker 1: of Waterton Global Resources and the cedar Field Group. Mitchell,

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Speaker 1: welcome and thank you for joining me.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for having me, mister speaker, and

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Speaker 2: thank you for all you've done for a great country.

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Speaker 1: You know you've had a remarkable career. Tell me for

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Speaker 1: a complements, just how did you evolve to the person

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Speaker 1: who became.

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Speaker 2: I'll give you two angles. One of them is my

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Speaker 2: maternal grandfather, somebody who came to this country from Europe

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Speaker 2: now western Ukraine. In my view, he was the greatest

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Speaker 2: man in the world. I write about him extensively in

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Speaker 2: on me. But the rest of the story is really

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Speaker 2: one that I can only explain through providence. Some people

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Speaker 2: might call it fluke, but I'm firmly convinced that it's providence,

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Speaker 2: of our circumstances. I got a job washing dishes and

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Speaker 2: That job led to working in the front of the

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Speaker 2: and then studied Mandarin in college. The Chinese studies in

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Speaker 2: The Chinese law led me out to Asia to work

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Speaker 2: And it was the combination of my expertise in China

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Speaker 2: a position under Secretary Manuchent. So that's basically the long

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Speaker 2: and short of it, mister speaker. It all started in

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Speaker 1: That's a great story for young people to hear because

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Speaker 1: advantage you can when an opportunity shows up and your

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Speaker 1: life sort of illustrates that. You know, you could not

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Speaker 1: have planned how your life unfolded, but by working hard

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Speaker 2: And that's one of the thematic messages basic messages in

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Speaker 2: And without the hard work, I found that nothing really

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Speaker 1: A period of extraordinary change right now. And love to

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Speaker 1: get your view because you have been in the room

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Speaker 1: and you know how these things work. Treasury Secretary Scott

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Speaker 1: Besseam said that he thinks they have a framework for

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Speaker 2: There is, mister speaker, and I think you'll be aware

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Speaker 2: Without that, there's a problem. There's a very big problem.

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Speaker 2: And it's my understanding that the Secretary has spent time

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Speaker 1: Since you speak both Mandarin and Cantonese, which I think

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Speaker 1: is a pretty remarkable achievement. As you think about China

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Speaker 1: what we should be thinking about as we look at China.

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Speaker 2: I spent thirty years of my career, mister Speaker, working

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Speaker 2: great challenges with the Chinese approach to growth. When the

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Speaker 2: that's what we saw as a key driver and an

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Speaker 1: The sad point of an everyday American, how big a

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Speaker 1: And your judgment, is it likely that we can get

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Speaker 2: We certainly did deliver a deal that was good during

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Speaker 2: Perhaps we were not taken seriously the first time that

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Speaker 2: that will be the approach now. There are some added challenges,

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Speaker 2: by staying the course with firm negotiating positions, we will

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Speaker 2: get there. Now, we've not seen a lot of concrete

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Speaker 2: he has fixed those variables and allowed our great negotiation

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Speaker 2: which is China, which comprises twenty plus percent of that

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Speaker 2: and nearly as great as China. So in simple answer, Sir,

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Speaker 2: I think the answer is, yes, we will get there.

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Speaker 2: It will take time, it will a smart plan and

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Speaker 2: a firm plan, and it will require staying the course

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Speaker 1: Then it strikes you that the whole process we're involved

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Speaker 1: Doesn't he speak very well of Besting and Lunnik and

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Speaker 1: It seems to me. In your book, A Seat at

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Speaker 1: From your perspective, do you think that we will probably

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Speaker 1: Well, but you can then understand why the other guys

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Speaker 1: I really appreciate you taking the time to talk today

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Speaker 2: Well, mister speaker, I'd just like to repeat once again

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Speaker 2: thank you for today giving me a seat at the table.

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