WEBVTT - Truly Odious Positions 0:00:02.320 --> 0:00:06.600 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio the George 0:00:06.680 --> 0:00:10.720 Washington Broadcast Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty. 0:00:10.640 --> 0:00:25.000 Armstrong and Jettide and now he Armstrong and Jetty. Not 0:00:25.120 --> 0:00:25.759 just New York. 0:00:25.760 --> 0:00:28.320 There are other races around the country where these socialists 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:32.199 candidates are coming to. The four obviously remain to be 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:34.000 seen if they can win the election in a falls. 0:00:34.040 --> 0:00:36.960 They most certainly are likely to in New York because 0:00:37.000 --> 0:00:40.200 the districts in which these three candidates prevailed were pretty 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:43.839 hard left districts to begin with. Where the siren song 0:00:43.880 --> 0:00:48.640 of socialism may have some appeal. It happens, I guess 0:00:48.720 --> 0:00:52.680 at least once every generation, and these are young voters 0:00:52.720 --> 0:00:55.480 who turned out I guess to support these three candidates, 0:00:55.960 --> 0:00:58.680 some of whom are maybe having trouble finding jobs. 0:00:59.080 --> 0:01:01.880 The sirens Song of socialism. 0:01:02.000 --> 0:01:06.119 How popular is it for average Americans? I don't know. 0:01:06.280 --> 0:01:09.560 Maybe lanhe Chen does. He's the director of Domestic Policy 0:01:09.600 --> 0:01:13.520 Studies at Stanford University. Lannie, thanks for joining us today. 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:14.440 Appreciate your time. 0:01:14.880 --> 0:01:15.520 Great to do with you. 0:01:15.600 --> 0:01:19.319 Jack. Yeah, you're younger than me, But I thought that 0:01:19.319 --> 0:01:21.560 that whole issue of whether or not we would ever 0:01:21.600 --> 0:01:23.600 want to be a socialist country was dead and buried 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:25.959 and not an argument we needed to have, but apparently 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:27.600 we do well. 0:01:28.000 --> 0:01:30.520 I think it kind of is a little bit consistent 0:01:30.640 --> 0:01:35.120 with some of the populist sentiment that we have right now. 0:01:35.160 --> 0:01:37.840 You know, I think that there are these ideas that 0:01:37.920 --> 0:01:41.640 socialist candidates promote that you know, if the siren song 0:01:41.920 --> 0:01:45.240 that was brit Hume, who you had on earlier, that 0:01:45.319 --> 0:01:47.080 really is the right way to describe it, because you've 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:50.320 got all these policies that people just sort of say, well, gosh, 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:51.480 that sounds pretty good. 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:53.320 I mean, why don't we take from one group that 0:01:53.400 --> 0:01:55.320 has a lot, Why don't we know, give that to 0:01:55.360 --> 0:01:56.080 everybody else. 0:01:56.120 --> 0:01:58.880 Why don't we think about increasing the size of government 0:01:58.960 --> 0:02:01.800 so that government can do more. All of these ideas 0:02:01.840 --> 0:02:05.440 to those probably who have a slightly more popular streak, 0:02:05.800 --> 0:02:09.280 might at first glance seem attractive, And I think there's 0:02:09.320 --> 0:02:14.239 a consistency to the success of socialist candidates, particularly in 0:02:14.440 --> 0:02:16.799 urban areas like New York. And we didn't even talk 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:18.880 about LA, but in LA you're going to have a 0:02:18.919 --> 0:02:21.919 socialist running against someone who's incompetent. 0:02:22.360 --> 0:02:25.320 But really, that is. 0:02:25.320 --> 0:02:26.880 One of the things I think that is appealing to 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:29.000 people is just look, it seems like a really easy 0:02:29.040 --> 0:02:33.200 solution to what is a really difficult set of economic problems. 0:02:33.200 --> 0:02:36.320 So I kind of see the socialism, the rise of 0:02:36.360 --> 0:02:40.440 socialism in America as consistent with the broader kind of 0:02:40.520 --> 0:02:42.760 populus streak we see across our politics. 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:45.880 How big a problem is it for the Democratic Party? 0:02:45.919 --> 0:02:48.919 Are they going to get steamrolled by the socialists or are 0:02:48.880 --> 0:02:50.240 they going to be able to keep them at bay? 0:02:50.680 --> 0:02:53.120 Well, I think that's a huge question, particularly as they 0:02:53.120 --> 0:02:55.519 look ahead to twenty twenty eight. I mean, putting aside 0:02:55.840 --> 0:02:59.680 whatever happens in the midterm elections this November, how these 0:02:59.680 --> 0:03:02.360 candid to do in places like New York and California. 0:03:02.720 --> 0:03:05.280 The big question, I think is what what does the 0:03:05.320 --> 0:03:08.320 heart and soul of the Democratic Party look like? And 0:03:08.520 --> 0:03:10.600 those kinds of questions, by the way, Jack, you know, 0:03:10.800 --> 0:03:12.960 these are the kinds of questions that only get resolved 0:03:13.800 --> 0:03:16.560 during presidential election years, and I think the Democrats are 0:03:16.560 --> 0:03:18.880 going to have to resolve what kind of party are 0:03:18.919 --> 0:03:20.560 they going to be? Are they going to be a 0:03:20.600 --> 0:03:24.440 party that tries to put together a governing coalition that is, 0:03:24.480 --> 0:03:27.120 you know, left center left, or are they going to 0:03:27.120 --> 0:03:30.480 become the Party of AOC Elizabeth Warren and Bernie Sanders, 0:03:30.919 --> 0:03:34.000 And that question was put off for a couple of 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:37.400 years by the Biden administration. It was put off by 0:03:37.520 --> 0:03:40.200 the crowning of Kamala Harris. And now they're going to 0:03:40.280 --> 0:03:42.200 have to resolve that question as they go to. 0:03:42.160 --> 0:03:42.760 Twenty twenty eight. 0:03:42.760 --> 0:03:44.000 And I don't know where they're going to come out, 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.640 because I think if they come out on the side 0:03:46.720 --> 0:03:50.960 of the socialists, it will doom them to not being 0:03:50.960 --> 0:03:52.800 able to win a national election in my view for 0:03:52.960 --> 0:03:55.880 several cycles, right, And it's gonna be a big problem 0:03:55.920 --> 0:03:56.560 for him. 0:03:57.040 --> 0:04:00.000 Yeah, I've been li likening it to the Tea Party 0:04:00.000 --> 0:04:01.480 back in the day in two thousand and ten. Joe 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:03.200 and I got pretty involved in the Tea Party and 0:04:04.160 --> 0:04:05.760 liked a lot of the stuff they stood for. But 0:04:06.440 --> 0:04:09.200 then you had some candidates that put Tea Party next 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.400 to their name and they were whack jobs. Yeah, But 0:04:11.480 --> 0:04:13.839 because they had Tea Party next to the name, they won, 0:04:14.520 --> 0:04:17.400 and it kind of discredited the whole movement. And and 0:04:17.480 --> 0:04:20.799 then some of them, you know, discredited the entire Republican Party. 0:04:20.920 --> 0:04:22.520 And I'm looking at some of these people that won 0:04:22.600 --> 0:04:26.680 the other night, this one woman because we're learning more 0:04:26.760 --> 0:04:30.440 about them after they won this one woman she demanded 0:04:30.480 --> 0:04:34.039 the total eradication of Western civilization at one point. 0:04:34.680 --> 0:04:38.680 Yeah, yeah, I mean, look, the more that we dig 0:04:38.720 --> 0:04:42.280 in to the records of various people who have been successful, 0:04:42.320 --> 0:04:45.479 who are part of this democratic socialist movement, the more 0:04:45.520 --> 0:04:47.719 we're going to discover things that are not just out 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:49.920 of step with where most Americans are, but that are 0:04:49.960 --> 0:04:54.799 truly odious policy positions, I mean truly offensive policy positions, 0:04:56.000 --> 0:04:59.920 ones that people look at and remind them of why 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:04.040 Democratic socialists are out of step with frankly, most voters 0:05:04.040 --> 0:05:07.080 in this country. So it will be very interesting as 0:05:07.120 --> 0:05:07.520 we go on. 0:05:08.200 --> 0:05:08.479 Again. 0:05:08.560 --> 0:05:10.480 I thought, you know, Britt made the right point there, 0:05:10.520 --> 0:05:13.719 which is that these people can win elections in the 0:05:13.720 --> 0:05:15.800 middle of New York City or the middle of la 0:05:16.480 --> 0:05:18.680 But the problem you're going to have is that the 0:05:18.880 --> 0:05:21.960 image of these people, what they stand for, who they are, 0:05:22.520 --> 0:05:25.240 is going to pollute the broader image of the Democratic Party, 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.320 which by the way, isn't great right now. If you 0:05:27.360 --> 0:05:29.640 ask Americans what they think of the Democratic Party, they 0:05:29.640 --> 0:05:33.240 don't have an incredibly favorable impression of it. And I 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.000 think this is one of the challenges they're going to 0:05:35.080 --> 0:05:37.720 have is if you've got more centrist Democrats, people like 0:05:37.800 --> 0:05:42.039 John Fetterman, the Senator from Pennsylvania, who represents a more 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:43.200 moderate form. 0:05:43.040 --> 0:05:44.159 Of the Democratic Party. 0:05:44.480 --> 0:05:46.640 How is that going to work if you've got a 0:05:46.640 --> 0:05:49.440 bunch of socialists running around who define who you are? 0:05:49.640 --> 0:05:50.440 That's the challenge. 0:05:50.640 --> 0:05:50.880 Yeah. 0:05:50.880 --> 0:05:53.600 He actually tweeted out yesterday about some of those candidates. 0:05:53.680 --> 0:05:55.240 He said, why am I the only Democrat in the 0:05:55.320 --> 0:05:58.560 US Senate that refuses to excuse this or defend any 0:05:58.640 --> 0:06:02.040 of those self identified communists? There you go, there you go. 0:06:02.400 --> 0:06:04.360 And and by the way, Fetterman was, you know, he's 0:06:04.400 --> 0:06:06.839 been one of the few Democrats to break ranks and 0:06:06.920 --> 0:06:10.080 vote with President Trump and Republicans on some key issues, 0:06:10.120 --> 0:06:12.880 some key policy issues. And you've got a few others 0:06:12.920 --> 0:06:15.800 too who have tried to take on a more moderate tone. 0:06:15.960 --> 0:06:18.800 But they're getting drowned out right now, Jack, totally drowned 0:06:18.800 --> 0:06:22.480 out by these socialists. And and and the funny thing 0:06:22.520 --> 0:06:24.400 is not the first time it's happened in the Democratic 0:06:24.440 --> 0:06:25.599 Party in the last couple of years. 0:06:26.680 --> 0:06:28.359 Right Well, I was wondering how much of it is 0:06:28.360 --> 0:06:31.560 the economic stuff, the socialism part, or how much of 0:06:31.600 --> 0:06:36.080 it is the anti Semitism. We don't, you know, free 0:06:36.080 --> 0:06:37.160 free Palestine part. 0:06:37.640 --> 0:06:41.320 It's all part of the same toxic stew. In my view, 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:46.680 it's it all gets caught up together. And this is 0:06:46.760 --> 0:06:49.200 the really dangerous part of it for the Democratic Party 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.120 is that, you know, for many, many years, the Democratic 0:06:52.200 --> 0:06:55.760 Party was pretty solid on issues relating to Israel and 0:06:56.080 --> 0:06:58.839 our partnership with Israel, the important role that Israel plays 0:06:58.839 --> 0:06:59.360 in the region. 0:06:59.800 --> 0:07:02.120 And in the last couple of years. 0:07:02.240 --> 0:07:07.160 This this you know, sort of pro Palestinian pro Hamas 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:10.560 movement that has gained power and traction within the Democratic 0:07:10.600 --> 0:07:14.040 Party has become a much bigger definitional piece. To the 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:17.400 point now Jack, where you've got certain Democrats who are 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:20.200 using it as a litmus test. Did you get money 0:07:20.200 --> 0:07:24.760 from Apak? Did you get money supporting Israeli and pro 0:07:24.880 --> 0:07:28.280 Israel causes? And if you did, you are not pure 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:29.960 enough to be in the Democratic Party. 0:07:30.200 --> 0:07:32.400 Yeah, And that I think is a big problem for them. 0:07:32.480 --> 0:07:35.560 I haven't heard anybody who's been accused of that because 0:07:35.600 --> 0:07:38.160 they did take money from Apak who said, you're damn right, 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:40.080 I did, and I'm proud I haven't heard exactly say 0:07:40.120 --> 0:07:41.040 that they are back away. 0:07:41.200 --> 0:07:44.560 Yeah, I did but yeah, yeah, they all back away, 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:46.560 they all figure out a way to cover their rear ends, 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:50.440 and it's shameful. I think it's just shameful. So all 0:07:50.480 --> 0:07:54.280 of this together has created this what I would consider 0:07:54.320 --> 0:07:59.480 a toxic stew of modern leftist politics that has become 0:07:59.520 --> 0:08:02.000 a bigger, bigger part of the Democratic Party. And that's 0:08:02.000 --> 0:08:04.840 why they have a definitional problem in my view as 0:08:04.840 --> 0:08:06.880 they go into twenty twenty eight. So it doesn't matter 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.320 what you know, more mainstream candidates might say, because the 0:08:10.400 --> 0:08:14.240 dialogue will be dominated by AOC and Nithia Rahman and 0:08:14.280 --> 0:08:14.760 all the rest. 0:08:15.120 --> 0:08:17.440 Yep, the way Bill Maher was able to talk about 0:08:17.480 --> 0:08:20.320 the TA baggers and discredit the entire Republican Party back 0:08:20.320 --> 0:08:20.600 in the. 0:08:20.600 --> 0:08:23.080 Day, Yeah, yeah, it's a very similar thing. 0:08:24.280 --> 0:08:27.040 Speaking of twenty twenty eight, one guy who'd like to 0:08:27.040 --> 0:08:30.040 be president in twenty twenty eight is Gavin Newsom, governor 0:08:30.040 --> 0:08:34.599 of California. And there's a new another story in the 0:08:34.720 --> 0:08:38.480 La Times about this investigation that the Trump Justice Department 0:08:38.559 --> 0:08:42.920 is doing into the first couple and the First Partner, 0:08:43.000 --> 0:08:46.600 California's first partner targeted by Trump. Newsom says, here's what 0:08:46.640 --> 0:08:49.120 we know about her career in finances the LA Times 0:08:49.160 --> 0:08:52.880 digging in to the finances of Gavin Newsom's wife. Is 0:08:52.920 --> 0:08:55.000 this a real story? Does this have legs? 0:08:55.800 --> 0:08:56.480 I think it does. 0:08:57.160 --> 0:09:00.120 I certainly do think it's there's a story here. It's 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:02.920 only an investigation that needs to be done. And by 0:09:02.960 --> 0:09:06.000 the way, it's very easy, I think for the governor 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:09.240 to dismiss it as purely politically motivated. That keeps in 0:09:09.280 --> 0:09:14.840 line with the predominating sort of center of Democratic Party 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.520 messaging now, which is basically anything that Trump does we 0:09:17.559 --> 0:09:22.239 don't like. And you know, rather than sort of addressing 0:09:22.800 --> 0:09:26.000 the accusations and you know, helping people understand what is 0:09:26.040 --> 0:09:28.800 and isn't truthful, they just sort of say the whole 0:09:28.800 --> 0:09:29.520 thing is a smeror. 0:09:29.920 --> 0:09:31.679 And you know the problem with. 0:09:31.679 --> 0:09:33.400 This sort of thing is that there's a drip drip 0:09:33.480 --> 0:09:34.200 drift to it all. 0:09:34.720 --> 0:09:37.199 And then when the campaign actually gets started and he's 0:09:37.240 --> 0:09:39.520 actually running, the people who are going to use this 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:41.840 stuff are not the Republicans, Okay, it's going to be 0:09:41.840 --> 0:09:45.480 his Democratic opponents, the people like AOC. They're the ones 0:09:45.520 --> 0:09:48.240 who are going to deploy it against him. So from 0:09:48.240 --> 0:09:50.560 a political perspective, he's got to figure out how to 0:09:50.600 --> 0:09:54.240 lance the spoil and the answer is not simply to say, well, 0:09:54.280 --> 0:09:57.839 it's a politically motivated investigation. I think there does need 0:09:57.880 --> 0:09:59.880 to be some substantive rebuttal and it's got to come 0:10:00.040 --> 0:10:00.720 sometime soon. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:03.720 Well, you know a lot of people in California politics, 0:10:03.720 --> 0:10:05.960 and you're a high road guy and not a bomb checker. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:09.920 But are the whispers out there that you know him 0:10:09.960 --> 0:10:12.400 and his wife made a lot of money in ways 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:12.960 that ain't cool? 0:10:13.920 --> 0:10:15.720 I mean, look that there are a lot of whispers. 0:10:15.880 --> 0:10:19.160 I don't necessarily know what is and isn't real. I 0:10:19.200 --> 0:10:20.680 think there needs to be that. 0:10:20.480 --> 0:10:23.360 That's why there's an investigation, and that's why the LA 0:10:23.480 --> 0:10:26.199 Times and other media organizations are probably going to dig 0:10:26.200 --> 0:10:29.360 into this a little bit because there are some murmurs 0:10:29.400 --> 0:10:31.680 and some rumors that they're going to try and chase down. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:32.960 Are all of them going to be true? 0:10:33.040 --> 0:10:36.240 Probably not, But if enough of them are true that 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:39.319 it casts a shadow over his candidacy and over who 0:10:39.360 --> 0:10:41.760 he is and what he's done during his time in office. 0:10:42.360 --> 0:10:46.319 In a competitive primary in twenty twenty eight, that could. 0:10:46.160 --> 0:10:49.160 Be enough to ensure he doesn't get the nomination. 0:10:49.400 --> 0:10:54.319 So he's got a political problem and potentially a legal problem. 0:10:54.440 --> 0:10:55.880 I don't want to speak to the legal piece of 0:10:55.920 --> 0:10:59.360 it because who knows, but politically, certainly it is a 0:10:59.360 --> 0:11:01.000 problem for him, so they've got to deal with it. 0:11:01.240 --> 0:11:03.280 Yeah, Mark Halpern thinks that it'll keep him from run, 0:11:03.280 --> 0:11:04.600 and they'll decide that they just don't want to put 0:11:04.600 --> 0:11:05.400 their fans through this. 0:11:05.960 --> 0:11:09.199 Yeah, Well, he wouldn't be the first one to beg 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:11.360 off a run because there was just too much. 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:13.840 You know, where there's where there's smoke, there's fire. 0:11:15.000 --> 0:11:16.240 So we'll see. 0:11:16.320 --> 0:11:19.440 It doesn't help that you had the Biden family and 0:11:19.480 --> 0:11:22.120 everything they did around their money stuff, and then you 0:11:22.240 --> 0:11:25.160 got Trump and his family doing right that It just 0:11:25.280 --> 0:11:27.480 kind of makes everybody think, well, this is what everybody does. 0:11:28.559 --> 0:11:31.400 Yeah, I mean, and that's sort of the unfortunate reality 0:11:31.559 --> 0:11:34.880 of our politics now is that people, I think have 0:11:35.040 --> 0:11:38.280 sort of discounted a lot of people in public service 0:11:38.320 --> 0:11:40.760 and they've said, look, these guys are all crooks. And 0:11:41.240 --> 0:11:44.040 what it does is it really takes our politics in 0:11:44.080 --> 0:11:45.360 our discussion down a level. 0:11:45.559 --> 0:11:47.560 And this has been happening for a long time. 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:50.600 Jack, It's not a recent phenomenon, but I think it's 0:11:50.640 --> 0:11:52.839 become particularly acute now with what we've seen over the 0:11:52.920 --> 0:11:56.080 last couple of years, and it makes me sad personally 0:11:56.120 --> 0:12:00.400 because we should hold in public to a higher innvation 0:12:00.920 --> 0:12:04.720 buyer stand doesn't seem you know, things happen. 0:12:06.480 --> 0:12:08.400 Yeah, I absolutely agree with that. 0:12:08.520 --> 0:12:09.160 Lon heat Chin. 0:12:09.240 --> 0:12:12.160 Appreciate you joining us today, Director of Domestic Policy Studies 0:12:12.200 --> 0:12:15.160 at Stanford University. Always really good to get your insight. 0:12:15.800 --> 0:12:20.920 And I too would like a return of the character issue, 0:12:20.960 --> 0:12:23.840 but I don't think it's in our future anytime soon. 0:12:24.640 --> 0:12:27.000 You look at Graham Platner up in Maine and uh, 0:12:27.679 --> 0:12:31.079 you know, it's just more of a he's on our 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:34.240 side and we could win a seat, so we'll overlook whatever. 0:12:34.280 --> 0:12:37.240 And that just at least for the near future of 0:12:37.240 --> 0:12:40.080 our politics. The character issue is over. I think, man. 0:12:40.120 --> 0:12:42.440 I grew up with the character issue being a big 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:45.520 deal in politics. Man, if you were a crook or 0:12:45.600 --> 0:12:47.160 cheating on your wife or any of that sort. 0:12:47.080 --> 0:12:48.360 Of stuff, you had to drop out. 0:12:49.200 --> 0:12:51.600 Obviously those days are over. We got a lot more 0:12:51.600 --> 0:12:52.280 on the way. Stay here. 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:03.160 Mean, awhile Brooklyn Escorts Service is charging World Cup soccer 0:13:03.160 --> 0:13:08.160 players up to ten an hour, Why so steep a 0:13:08.320 --> 0:13:11.600 price because it takes them two hours to score? 0:13:16.120 --> 0:13:21.959 What happens when you can't use your hands. 0:13:22.360 --> 0:13:27.280 I heard something yesterday, was listening to some music radio. 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:32.480 Apparently chicks are digging the soccer players and there's a 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.320 pretty big man. Those soccer players are cute sort of 0:13:36.320 --> 0:13:39.560 thing going on among women in the country, and soccer 0:13:39.679 --> 0:13:44.760 legs has become a thing. Soccer legs. Having soccer legs 0:13:44.840 --> 0:13:47.320 is very popular. So I guess those would be big 0:13:47.400 --> 0:13:50.920 beefy legs. I guess. But then you got withered, little 0:13:50.920 --> 0:13:52.920 Tyranno source rex arms because you don't get to use 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:56.760 your arms. So if you want that, A bunch of 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.040 Supreme Court rulings came down. Having a chance to look 0:13:59.040 --> 0:14:00.240 at all of them, it's just been in the last 0:14:00.280 --> 0:14:02.000 few minutes and I've been talking to guests, but this 0:14:02.080 --> 0:14:06.480 is a pretty big gun one. So four years ago, 0:14:06.720 --> 0:14:10.600 the Supreme Court ruled that law abiding persons had a 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.400 right to obtain a permit to carry a concealed gun 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:16.920 when they left home. That's assuming you live in a 0:14:17.120 --> 0:14:20.520 county where your sheriff will allow you get a concealed permit. 0:14:20.640 --> 0:14:24.800 That's its own issue. But the Supreme Court also agreed 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.800 that there were sensitive places where guns may be prohibited, 0:14:27.800 --> 0:14:32.560 such as schools, courts, and other buildings. Right, you can 0:14:32.600 --> 0:14:35.560 carry a concealed weapon, but not schools, courts, and some 0:14:35.640 --> 0:14:36.560 other government buildings. 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:36.760 Well. 0:14:36.760 --> 0:14:42.240 In response to that, lawmakers in California and Hawaii came 0:14:42.320 --> 0:14:44.920 up with their own list of sensitive places and they 0:14:44.960 --> 0:14:51.960 expanded it from courts and government buildings and schools to parks, beaches, playgrounds, 0:14:52.000 --> 0:14:56.680 places of worship, bars, restaurants, grocery stores, all kinds of 0:14:56.720 --> 0:14:58.840 different places where you were not allowed to carry a 0:14:58.840 --> 0:15:01.920 concealed weapon. And if you can't carry a concealed weapon 0:15:01.960 --> 0:15:05.200 in any of those situations, there's barely any point in 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:09.200 having a concealed weapon. So gun owners sued. The Ninth 0:15:09.240 --> 0:15:12.960 Circuit Court refused to block most of those restrictions, and 0:15:13.000 --> 0:15:15.600 it ended up in the Supreme Court, and a ruling 0:15:15.680 --> 0:15:21.320 has come down now that California had gone too far 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:26.680 by recort by doing that, and it's now back to 0:15:26.960 --> 0:15:30.480 it's from an opt into an opt out, or do 0:15:30.520 --> 0:15:32.760 I have it backwards anyway? It used to be you 0:15:32.760 --> 0:15:37.080 couldn't carry your gun into a grocery store. Now you 0:15:37.320 --> 0:15:41.800 can unless the owner of the grocery store decides he 0:15:41.800 --> 0:15:44.240 doesn't want you to. So there's still a property rights 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:46.720 element to it, which I completely get. I own a 0:15:46.760 --> 0:15:49.160 grocery store, I should be able to say I don't 0:15:49.160 --> 0:15:51.400 want anybody with a gun in here. The problem with 0:15:51.440 --> 0:15:55.520 that though, so I'm pro property rights. The problem with that, though, 0:15:55.640 --> 0:15:59.720 of course, is all you're doing. Hey, grocery store owners, 0:15:59.840 --> 0:16:03.480 let you know or you know whoever, is gonna put 0:16:03.520 --> 0:16:06.280 up a sign saying no gun's allowed, no concealed weapons 0:16:06.320 --> 0:16:09.360 allowed here. All you're gonna do is keep the law 0:16:09.480 --> 0:16:14.120 abiding trained went through the process people from carrying a 0:16:14.160 --> 0:16:17.040 gun in there. A bad guy who wants to come 0:16:17.040 --> 0:16:18.840 in with a gun and shoot the place up or 0:16:18.880 --> 0:16:22.280 is dangerous is still gonna carry his gun. Why doesn't 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:26.000 everybody get that the laws only have an effect on 0:16:26.560 --> 0:16:30.600 law abiding citizens. They don't stop the bad guy. You 0:16:30.640 --> 0:16:33.120 can put up a sign that says no gun's allowed here, 0:16:33.240 --> 0:16:35.040 and you're not gonna get the maniac show up to 0:16:35.080 --> 0:16:38.160 the grocery store and say, oh dang, I was gonna 0:16:38.160 --> 0:16:39.920 shoot the place up, but you got a sign that 0:16:39.960 --> 0:16:42.960 says no guns, so I guess I won't. However, he 0:16:43.000 --> 0:16:45.560 goes in there with a gun and decides to shoot 0:16:45.600 --> 0:16:49.400 the place up, and you won't have a law abiding citizen, 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:51.440 a good guy with a gun. To use the phrase, 0:16:51.720 --> 0:16:54.520 who maybe could stop him because he has stopped the 0:16:54.600 --> 0:16:58.280 law abiding citizen. But that's where we are in that ruling. 0:16:58.320 --> 0:17:02.240 It's definitely seen as a win for the gun rights crowd, 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:06.040 of which I am a member, not an official member, 0:17:06.080 --> 0:17:08.440 but I own guns and soon to be a glock 0:17:08.480 --> 0:17:10.560 which is about to be outlawed in California. That's its 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:12.640 own story. Maybe I'm more on that later. Gonna talk 0:17:12.680 --> 0:17:15.280 to our old boss, Jason Rantz coming up from Seattle. 0:17:15.640 --> 0:17:18.479 Stay tuned, Armstrong and Getty. 0:17:19.640 --> 0:17:22.160 How you doing, Thanks for joining us. Lots of cool 0:17:22.160 --> 0:17:23.840 stuff to talk about. I definitely want to get to 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:26.720 that story about people are giving their kids the GLP ones, 0:17:26.760 --> 0:17:28.760 which might be a good idea, but man, there ain't 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.800 a lot of data out there about how it affects 0:17:30.880 --> 0:17:34.040 kids when they're still growing and all that sort of stuff. 0:17:34.200 --> 0:17:36.960 Want to welcome to the Armstrong and Getty Show. Jason Rantz. 0:17:37.000 --> 0:17:39.280 If you watch Fox you see him all the time 0:17:39.480 --> 0:17:44.040 on there. And Jason, congratulations on your TV presence so much. 0:17:44.080 --> 0:17:46.720 Been a radio host forever in Seattle on Seattle Read 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:49.199 seven seventy am. Jason was even our boss for a 0:17:49.240 --> 0:17:51.879 cup of coffee and is a really good guy. Hey, Jason, 0:17:51.920 --> 0:17:52.280 how you. 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.600 Doing doing well? Thanks for having me, Yeah. 0:17:54.440 --> 0:17:56.879 And congratulations on all your TV success. I see it 0:17:57.080 --> 0:17:57.880 like every day. 0:17:58.200 --> 0:17:58.679 Now, you know. 0:17:58.800 --> 0:18:01.920 They keep me busy. It's Fox News Nation CNN. 0:18:02.359 --> 0:18:04.280 So are you a Seattle native you've been there your 0:18:04.320 --> 0:18:04.800 whole life? 0:18:05.240 --> 0:18:08.840 No, so, I've been here seventeen years or so. I'm 0:18:08.840 --> 0:18:10.280 actually so. I was born in New York, but I 0:18:10.280 --> 0:18:13.720 grew up in Los Angeles. I ended up coming out 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.560 here about sixteen seventeen years ago. 0:18:15.640 --> 0:18:19.320 And I first visited Seattle on vacation I don't know, 0:18:19.359 --> 0:18:21.000 thirty years ago or something like that. And I remember 0:18:21.040 --> 0:18:22.840 the first time I ever wont I thought, Wow, it's 0:18:22.840 --> 0:18:24.960 like a clean San Francisco. This is awesome. 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:27.160 And then something changed over the years. 0:18:27.240 --> 0:18:27.679 I don't know. 0:18:28.240 --> 0:18:31.040 I don't know the liberal policies. I guess, yeah, government, 0:18:31.680 --> 0:18:32.560 that's what's changed. 0:18:32.600 --> 0:18:35.320 I mean, there are parts of Seattle and certainly the 0:18:35.359 --> 0:18:40.760 Pacific Northwest, are absolutely gorgeous. And we experienced the promise 0:18:40.960 --> 0:18:44.240 of Seattle for the US men's National World Cup match 0:18:44.440 --> 0:18:49.240 last Friday, where the city cleaned up like they engaged 0:18:49.280 --> 0:18:52.520 in sweeps. There were no homeless people just loitering everywhere 0:18:52.560 --> 0:18:55.679 smoking fentanyl. It just happened to be a gorgeous summer 0:18:55.760 --> 0:19:00.000 day and it was glorious. It was the reason why 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.040 so many people lived here. And yet I found myself 0:19:03.080 --> 0:19:05.879 getting a little bit upset because we realize we can 0:19:05.920 --> 0:19:07.879 do this every day if we actually wanted to, but 0:19:07.960 --> 0:19:08.359 they don't. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:12.280 Right, Yeah, a similar experience they had and in San 0:19:12.320 --> 0:19:15.160 Francisco when President She visited it, but he's like, why 0:19:15.160 --> 0:19:15.680 can't we have the. 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:19.080 Streets like this all the time? A hundred percent? And 0:19:19.119 --> 0:19:22.600 I actually I was in San Francisco leading into that. 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:24.200 I just had an event that I was doing there 0:19:24.440 --> 0:19:26.360 and I was wondering around. I was like, man, it's 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.320 so nice. All of a sudden, I was like, oh, 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:29.240 that's why. 0:19:29.200 --> 0:19:31.119 Right exactly what was it? 0:19:31.160 --> 0:19:31.240 Like? 0:19:31.280 --> 0:19:33.440 What was the whole World Cup experience like? For Seattle? 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:34.560 It was really cool. 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:38.320