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Speaker 1: You'll know him from so many of his blockbuster successes.
Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to listen to this interview
Speaker 1: with Daniel Kalujah. I always like starting with this question
Speaker 1: because I think I'm intrigued to see where you take it,
Speaker 1: Like what would you say is your earliest childhood memory
Speaker 1: that defines who you are today?
Speaker 2: There's one here, There was one. I grew up quite
Speaker 2: a fat kid. Yeah, and then needs to go scouts,
Speaker 2: cubs and scouts. You go into like I don't know,
Speaker 2: some random places in the countryside down to a camping
Speaker 2: something and then like this potholes you know about potholes.
Speaker 2: Go in there. So I run through the pothole. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and then like I'm doing this pothole. I'm going in
Speaker 2: and like Emo starts laughing because I'm fat. They was like,
Speaker 2: oh Dan, it's not gonna fit. That's not gonna fit.
Speaker 2: And I got in there and then halfway through it
Speaker 2: gets narrow and narrow, and I proper did it, and
Speaker 2: they looked in a bunch of kids were like I
Speaker 2: must have been nine eight. They were like, He's filled
Speaker 2: the whole thing. They just laughing, laughing, laughing, laugh and laughing.
Speaker 2: And then I was like, all right, cool, I can't
Speaker 2: really go back, so it's only really and I'm actually
Speaker 2: half filled it. So then I was like all right, cool,
Speaker 2: and I just found a way to. I was just
Speaker 2: like I knew how to like change my body and go,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna get out. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it.
Speaker 2: And then I realized they were laughing. And then as
Speaker 2: I was getting closer, closer to the exit, they just
Speaker 2: stopped laughing. They stopped laughing, they stopped laughing, and then
Speaker 2: by the end they clapped, and I think after it,
Speaker 2: I was like, right that, yeah, I don't know, I
Speaker 2: look back and go, I think it really changed how
Speaker 2: I saw everything my life. Bro, what what is? What?
Speaker 2: What are you to me? Like what I'm saying, It's
Speaker 2: like I kind of felt had the energy was like
Speaker 2: just push through, just do what you're supposed to do.
Speaker 2: Just do what you're supposed to do. And you get
Speaker 2: to the end and people that will say things that
Speaker 2: will tell you say you're weird, say you're odd. By
Speaker 2: the end of it, not that they'll clap, you can
Speaker 2: make them. I don't know. It doesn't matter about them.
Speaker 2: It just matters about you getting there, you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I think a few years ago before
Speaker 2: that I really cared about the clap. I really care,
Speaker 2: like I'm gonna make you clap, I'm pissed, I'm gonna
Speaker 2: make you clap. I think in that moment, I saw
Speaker 2: my character, I saw what I'm actually about in that moment,
Speaker 2: and yeah, and then it just respected me and the
Speaker 2: end it was what I gained respect.
Speaker 1: So yeah, and you think that that still applies today
Speaker 1: in always?
Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, do you tell me people say you can't
Speaker 2: do something? Everything's it up?
Speaker 1: What have you been told that you couldn't do?
Speaker 2: Name it? Like anything I'm doing now, I've thought I've
Speaker 2: been told I can't do. I've told I can't act.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to make a career out of connections.
Speaker 2: It is on Parkway, like in Camden, there's no connections. Yeah,
Speaker 2: they were like saying, my mom was just stressed, like
Speaker 2: did you want to act? Talk to some people then,
Speaker 2: and they were like, you ain't gonna make it. I
Speaker 2: think I can. I once been fifteen, you know, no,
Speaker 2: no no. So it's all that kind of stuff, like
Speaker 2: you're consistently kind of told that like it won't happen,
Speaker 2: and I just didn't believe that. So that's why I
Speaker 2: really would keep it secret what I was doing on
Speaker 2: my dreams and my hopes or hopes like what I
Speaker 2: see like if I can see it, that means I
Speaker 2: can do it. So it's more that like every everything,
Speaker 2: everything like you're told you can't do, even like being
Speaker 2: away from race, even the class that I've come from,
Speaker 2: like they're saying, oh, you can't do that. I'm what
Speaker 2: you're talking about. It's nuts, Like I just I've always
Speaker 2: just been like yeah. But then that was very much
Speaker 2: the mentality of my school, Like it was basically right, cool,
Speaker 2: you ain't got money, all right, called let's sell chocolate bars,
Speaker 2: I called let's sell crisps. It's just like you've got
Speaker 2: to make it work no matter what. So I've always come.
Speaker 2: I feel like I've come from that cloth.
Speaker 1: Yeah, did you find that keeping it secret was useful?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Because it meant that I was able to fail
Speaker 2: in private and just grow at my own pace and
Speaker 2: have it and understand basically what it was. I realized
Speaker 2: in hindsight and active and right and all this kind
Speaker 2: of stuff. I realized I found what it meant to me.
Speaker 2: I found what my definition of it is. I found
Speaker 2: my style. I found what I liked that was so
Speaker 2: it was mine. It wasn't like, oh I got it
Speaker 2: from here or got it from there, because now this
Speaker 2: is what I think. This is how I've got to this.
Speaker 2: So that's like why I'm happy I did it because
Speaker 2: I felt like, in hindsight, I felt I was a
Speaker 2: bit too ahead of people that I was around in
Speaker 2: terms of what I was focused on. Because it's quite
Speaker 2: odd if I think about I think back, I was like, yeah, no, come,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. Like is that your meaning that
Speaker 2: no one in my family's doing it? No one, no
Speaker 2: one's doing it. But I just think I can stand.
Speaker 2: So it's like, so I think it's it's that, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Where did that believe come from? At that age? At fifteen?
Speaker 2: To go?
Speaker 1: I can't even though no one's saying it like where
Speaker 1: where did that inspiration come from? Was it? Was it
Speaker 1: from what you were watching?
Speaker 2: Fresh Prince was watching like Wayne's Brothers. I was watching
Speaker 2: like I don't know Sponge, No, Sponge was a bit
Speaker 2: past my maybe same since and Eddie like I was watching, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I was watching Life. Like I said that, I wasn't
Speaker 2: really like, I don't know. I just believe. I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just kind of was like, no, I don't believe you. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't know you. Like at back in the day,
Speaker 2: I was like like, say, remember John Major. Yeah, I'm
Speaker 2: going to start that. They said he told you to
Speaker 2: do something. I'm like, but I don't know him. How
Speaker 2: can someone I don't know what to do? Kind of
Speaker 2: nuts if I know somebody like Jermaine, It's like So
Speaker 2: that's why I was like, I just always no. I
Speaker 2: realized I think I just I'm blessed. I have faith,
Speaker 2: and I think I just have faith. And I realized
Speaker 2: I read something the other day and I think the
Speaker 2: difference between faith and delusion is God. And I'm not
Speaker 2: saying like, oh God, it's just like I just have faith,
Speaker 2: Like I just had faith. I just just believe and
Speaker 2: I think maybe I saw my family doing amazing things,
Speaker 2: like not amazing things in a sense that like making
Speaker 2: something work or going for a holiday, or they just
Speaker 2: didn't accept they were done, like says I wanted to
Speaker 2: act a right, well you can't afford that, but we
Speaker 2: can do this. They just pushed on. They didn't They
Speaker 2: didn't let the environment or the boundaries define what they
Speaker 2: thought was possible in their mind.
Speaker 1: So I think it was that yeah, I love that.
Speaker 1: I love hearing that your parents were saying yes and yeah.
Speaker 1: It wasn't like no, but it was yes.
Speaker 2: And someone was just like, yo, what like how are
Speaker 2: we going to like how are we going to do this?
Speaker 2: She would challenge me, always challenge me. And then I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: this is this is this. But I realized she was
Speaker 2: just like going trying to test me if I really
Speaker 2: believed in it. And then again I probably needed that.
Speaker 2: I did need that because I needed to know it
Speaker 2: for my I was aware of it. So then I
Speaker 2: was like, cool, this is what's going to happen. And
Speaker 2: then she looked like, Okay, I believe you. Let's go
Speaker 2: like this is the way I know, this is the
Speaker 2: way I know I can make it work. So I
Speaker 2: think it was just like I just I just believed.
Speaker 2: I don't know where it comes from. I think it's
Speaker 2: just a gift in it. I just I just try
Speaker 2: and honor it and try and do good with it.
Speaker 2: I don't try and like I intellectualize it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get that, man, I get that. That
Speaker 1: makes sense. And obviously, like I heard, I was watching
Speaker 1: your hot Ones, which I love, and on there you
Speaker 1: talked about her like you wrote your first piece when
Speaker 1: you were nine years old, and I was thinking, it's
Speaker 1: amazing now because with the work that you're doing now
Speaker 1: with the kitchen and like production and writing, like you're
Speaker 1: kind of almost doing this full circle. Is why was
Speaker 1: writing where you started? Because I don't think a lot
Speaker 1: of people know that, Like I didn't know that as well.
Speaker 1: Like I've discovered you as an actor and loved your work,
Speaker 1: but like, what was it about writing that drew drew
Speaker 1: you to it nine years old? And tell us about
Speaker 1: that piece too?
Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. I thought I was
Speaker 2: at school one time. It's before this play competition, which
Speaker 2: is what I want at night. I was at school
Speaker 2: one time and the teacher told me to write something
Speaker 2: and then in my heart and I can't do this.
Speaker 2: I know I could do this sick, and I wrote
Speaker 2: something I thought it was amazing. Yeah, the teacher gave
Speaker 2: me a rubbish grade and you're wrong. I think you're wrong,
Speaker 2: Like I really like this. And then like that that
Speaker 2: competition was just basically like there was a playwriting course.
Speaker 2: They come to your school in Camden. Roy Williams, who's
Speaker 2: a really big play right now, was a teacher then
Speaker 2: and then like a teacher shamed me and was like, oh,
Speaker 2: like like Daniel, you're messing about. I was. I was mischievous,
Speaker 2: like you're messing about. I'm out like this. And then
Speaker 2: I was like right cool and I was like I'll
Speaker 2: show you. I'll show you. Then I wrote his play
Speaker 2: is based on Keenan and kel about these guys that
Speaker 2: work in the shop and he just had a friendship.
Speaker 2: And then like I got to the next round, it
Speaker 2: was a couple of us in the next round, and
Speaker 2: then I was just right. And then those guys Jonathan
Speaker 2: Sidel and Roy were like I knew at that time
Speaker 2: they knew and they I feel like they knew I
Speaker 2: had something because I just felt the energy and them
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I just just what I think
Speaker 2: because I I don't know, and then like then I
Speaker 2: want it. And then my whole school year came to
Speaker 2: hampster Fire. I'll watch it to my arsenal toop. I
Speaker 2: got a picture that was flexing and then like and
Speaker 2: then yeah, I mean they told me like keep going,
Speaker 2: keep going. I'm like, I'm going to play out. I'm
Speaker 2: not gonna write. And then I did a play for
Speaker 2: Roy Williams Sucker Punch of I twenty one, and remember
Speaker 2: he told me after it, Yeah, he was like, yeah,
Speaker 2: do you know that the teachers didn't want to pick you.
Speaker 2: They were like, darn, he's too bad. He's too bad.
Speaker 2: And then Roy was like I'm definitely going to pick him.
Speaker 2: So it was just that was the kind of like
Speaker 2: I had up antagonistic energy in class, but I just
Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I knew how to I
Speaker 2: knew dialogue, I knew how people spoke, but I fork
Speaker 2: a lot of it's to do because I was like
Speaker 2: in my family, I didn't speak my language. So then
Speaker 2: I was like sit at family events and then I'm
Speaker 2: like watching you, I mean I can see that enhandsight,
Speaker 2: like I would observe and I would like peace, and
Speaker 2: I know how to pick tone and energy and I
Speaker 2: feel it because I have to do you know what
Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I think that's where it came from.
Speaker 2: And then I stopped and I picked it back up
Speaker 2: at sixteen to get back in the game. But during
Speaker 2: that time I got into acting and I got to
Speaker 2: act to improv, which is actually writing on your feet.
Speaker 2: So then I was honing that skill set. So when
Speaker 2: I got back to playwriting again, it was easy.
Speaker 1: Tell us about some of the improv is. I feel
Speaker 1: like that's such a fascinating skill. I love how you
Speaker 1: said writing on your feet. That's a that's a cool
Speaker 1: way of thinking about it. And I feel like improv
Speaker 1: almost demand so much from an artist in a way
Speaker 1: that other work doesn't. How would you Is there is
Speaker 1: there like a funny moment of improv that you did
Speaker 1: with a group or something, a story that you went
Speaker 1: through that you're like, I remember that, And that was
Speaker 1: a moment where I was like, Oh, I can write
Speaker 1: on my feet. I can actually do this.
Speaker 2: I think I think I think he was messing about
Speaker 2: in class and then evening it taught me and Marcus
Speaker 2: they were just like you guys are messing about he's
Speaker 2: in the community classes and share he's in the communic class.
Speaker 2: Then if you're good enough to get to the YPS
Speaker 2: Young Professionals And then like he was just like, oh,
Speaker 2: like you guys don't get it. And then they went
Speaker 2: on stage and they just acted and I watched it
Speaker 2: and I was like, copy, O, get I understand what
Speaker 2: you're doing. I understand. And then after that point I
Speaker 2: got it because I needed to see it go all right, cool,
Speaker 2: I'll get you, get you get you. What I love
Speaker 2: about it is that you just let it go. You're
Speaker 2: not holding on. I have moments that my friends remind
Speaker 2: me if I see them. Yeah, remember and you brought
Speaker 2: out that I am I mean as a prop, but
Speaker 2: I just had this rule is like once it in
Speaker 2: your head, yeah, so you just got And also is
Speaker 2: like it's like what you said like improvis yes, and
Speaker 2: so you can't reject do you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So it's just like if someone says something crazy, you've
Speaker 2: got to go with it, I mean and go yeah.
Speaker 2: And then also if someone doesn't know how to do it,
Speaker 2: I learned how to drive it to says if you
Speaker 2: didn't know how to do it. I was like, why you're
Speaker 2: not doing that?
Speaker 1: And I have to respond because I'm agreeing with you
Speaker 1: about what. I'm agreeing with you based on what you
Speaker 1: said about what.
Speaker 2: Exactly that I say that, and then yeah and then yeah,
Speaker 2: and then you film and then like you clock how
Speaker 2: to like.
Speaker 1: And that's real dialogue too, rightly, because you're listening, you're
Speaker 1: interrupting and listening.
Speaker 2: But then by doing that, you're playing a character doesn't
Speaker 2: listen or listens too closely that they don't they're hearing
Speaker 2: and not listening. They're trying to find And then so
Speaker 2: you're building that character through those interactions, and then you're
Speaker 2: honing it through the interactions and then you land cool
Speaker 2: bang exactly. So that's how I kind of learned how
Speaker 2: to do it. More, it's more that, yeah, don't it's
Speaker 2: hard to like scribe.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I'm going down this road,
Speaker 1: but you mentioned it and I'm listening. So I was like,
Speaker 1: you said, you're an Arsenal fan. I'm a United fan.
Speaker 1: You've been an Arsenal fan forever. What's your what's been
Speaker 1: your favorite team at Arsenal over the years.
Speaker 2: I'd have to say, like, my favorite was Adam's right
Speaker 2: yea over Mars Winter, but that was crazy eight like
Speaker 2: come on man particular, that was like that was like
Speaker 2: but that's when I fell in love, saying I was
Speaker 2: like these oh my guys, Like everyone was just everyone
Speaker 2: was just firing. So I just I just I don't know.
Speaker 2: And also it's my local team minutes. So then it
Speaker 2: was just like says, if we want to cut, the
Speaker 2: area was happy. Yeah, I mean, it's not like that's
Speaker 2: what it came from. It's like so it was a
Speaker 2: time we didn't win a cut for nine years, and
Speaker 2: then we did f a Cup and I watched that
Speaker 2: Holloway and all that kind of stuff, and the next
Speaker 2: day it was like it was Arsenal fans outside the windows,
Speaker 2: people like you know in they're dusty vans the right
Speaker 2: and stuff in the dusty vans. It was just everyone
Speaker 2: was happy, even if you weren't asking for you were
Speaker 2: just the area was happy. So it was that was
Speaker 2: that it was a close connection. And then I don't know,
Speaker 2: it was cool the fact that I could go to
Speaker 2: games like obviously the cardon Cut games because all the
Speaker 2: other games were hard to get. I went to marke
Speaker 2: Key on testimony actually, but like it was like it
Speaker 2: was like I don't know, you just felt like a community.
Speaker 2: Like when the when they scored high Bred, the upper
Speaker 2: the upper table just rock. You think it would break,
Speaker 2: it's a bit of danger. It was just it was
Speaker 2: just like and then my mom's friend used to give
Speaker 2: me tickets when she went away. So then I watched
Speaker 2: like wicked games or rubbish games. But I was part
Speaker 2: of it from like young. I mean you could get
Speaker 2: a ticket even if you couldn't afford it, So I
Speaker 2: just fell in love with it during that age.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had a lot of happy days, but
Speaker 1: I think you had a lot of unhappy days as well.
Speaker 2: Stress. I don't want to put people out there there
Speaker 2: it's a public forum. But it was stressed. It was stressed.
Speaker 2: But like I can I'm very, I'm very I see
Speaker 2: like I'm a very child Ofvenger, Like I can see,
Speaker 2: I'm very stubborn, like very like a lot of how
Speaker 2: Arsenal is in me. I feel like it's not it's
Speaker 2: bigger than just football. Like they have a philosophy. I
Speaker 2: mean they have a style. That era had a style.
Speaker 2: They had a style, and I just respected it. What
Speaker 2: I'm saying I just and I think it's going to
Speaker 2: a school in Island and the islet and team is
Speaker 2: the one, and then you're like literally looking at the
Speaker 2: sun in the paper the next day in school and
Speaker 2: then it's the Invincibles and they're talking about your local team.
Speaker 2: I think it makes you think that, yeah, we're the guys.
Speaker 2: That's such a formative age. I mean, so I think
Speaker 2: it's a bit of that.
Speaker 1: Well, that's where I struggled because so I always say
Speaker 1: this that every Indian person that moved to England in
Speaker 1: like the seventies and eighties, I my dad, they only
Speaker 1: support Manchester United or Liverpool because those are the big
Speaker 1: clubs at the time. Those are the clubs winning and everything,
Speaker 1: and so I support you because of that. I never
Speaker 1: lived in Manchester and so I never had a happy
Speaker 1: day in the town because I still almost have to
Speaker 1: like shy away from saying I was a United fan
Speaker 1: because I lived right in between Highbury and Spurs. So
Speaker 1: that's why I grew up in Green like right in between,
Speaker 1: and so I never got to go out and celebrate
Speaker 1: in the town because I didn't live in Manchester and
Speaker 1: so I always like grew up in fear of like
Speaker 1: I can't tell anyone what I follow and like what
Speaker 1: I do.
Speaker 2: And why isn't there a lot of Indian players in
Speaker 2: football always?
Speaker 1: That's a that's a great question, you know, And I
Speaker 1: think it's because a lot of parents, don't. You know,
Speaker 1: if if an Indian kid told their parents they wanted
Speaker 1: to be a football player, I mean I just got
Speaker 1: to look at these two and go, what do you think?
Speaker 1: What do you think the parents would have said? What
Speaker 1: do you think the parents would have said? Yeah, definitely not,
Speaker 1: no matter how good they were. I was telling Russe
Speaker 1: to be one of our mates. I'm calling him out here.
Speaker 1: His kids like supposedly quite decent at football, like, and
Speaker 1: I told him yesterday, I was like, manye, you gotta
Speaker 1: let this kid chase football, like chase the dream. And
Speaker 1: I don't know if as a culture, I think our
Speaker 1: parents work so hard and they wanted to have safety
Speaker 1: and so they didn't want the kids to do anything
Speaker 1: that felt unsafe. So acting would also be a no go.
Speaker 1: You don't see that many South Asian people in acting.
Speaker 1: I mean it's growing now for sure, especially the London scene,
Speaker 1: but acting media anything that was uncertain or unsafe Indian
Speaker 1: parents generally were like, no, they didn't want us to
Speaker 1: be a part of it because they just wanted us
Speaker 1: to not have the struggle they did, and so they
Speaker 1: wanted us to feel safety security. And so if you
Speaker 1: can get a good job, right, that makes sense. If
Speaker 1: you could get a good job that paid the bills,
Speaker 1: took care of you, they were happy, wanted to be safe.
Speaker 2: As intelle. I'm interested in how cultural values dictate where
Speaker 2: the paths are because the demographics they should be lovet
Speaker 2: the like if you look at it as demographically what
Speaker 2: I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone plays at school and then it gets called off.
Speaker 1: Like I remember with my parents too. It's like they
Speaker 1: want you to play, they want you to be sporty,
Speaker 1: but they don't want you to take it that seriously.
Speaker 1: I had friends at my school that are amazing at cricket,
Speaker 1: like incredible cricket players that were playing for England under
Speaker 1: twenty ones, England under eighteens and then went off to
Speaker 1: be accountants because their parents wouldn't let them, you know,
Speaker 1: follow the dream. And so it's really interesting seeing who
Speaker 1: pushes back through that as well, Like some people just
Speaker 1: go no, I'm going to try anyway, and some people
Speaker 1: fold and let it go. But I'm hoping. I'm hoping
Speaker 1: it changes. I'm hoping it changes great too. Yeah, what
Speaker 1: were some cultural things that you think held you back?
Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've talked a bit about the racism
Speaker 1: you experienced. You know, for me, when I when I
Speaker 1: was hearing about that, I thought, that doesn't sound easy
Speaker 1: when you add it to the other bullying and shaming
Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier. Like, what was it like
Speaker 1: navigating that? Well you talked about From what I've heard,
Speaker 1: what you've talked about is like it took your long
Speaker 1: time to realize that you felt darker than the people
Speaker 1: that you were around, and so there was this whole
Speaker 1: and you felt that they made you feel bad for that.
Speaker 2: When I got into secondary and that was more predominantly
Speaker 2: black school, it's when I realized that I was darker
Speaker 2: than the average black person that I grew up around
Speaker 2: or I wasn't around, and then they would tell me
Speaker 2: it was a kind of culture shock. But then I
Speaker 2: was darker than a lot of people in my family,
Speaker 2: So then it was even that made me feel a
Speaker 2: bit different, and so then I was just like, oh, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't really know what's going on? And then but
Speaker 2: then obviously like at that age, you got through racism,
Speaker 2: but you're in a predominantly black space, You're not. You
Speaker 2: go through colorism and then like you go out of it,
Speaker 2: and then I mean like got good grades and start
Speaker 2: going to a different school, like more middle class, uberlass school.
Speaker 2: Then you deal with you see racism, but you see
Speaker 2: people do things. You're like, what's that? That's weird? That?
Speaker 2: What's weird? You haven't really felt like you're you've got
Speaker 2: the right to go, oh, that's that what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: You ain't got no one to talk to that understands
Speaker 2: what's happening. Then it just started getting a bit more.
Speaker 2: The more the more like kind of more into the workforce,
Speaker 2: the more that you would face it, and the more
Speaker 2: sleep people are to it and you go call it out.
Speaker 2: What I used to say is that like because one
Speaker 2: time I was not getting rolls because of acting and
Speaker 2: that because and then I was like, oh yeah, I
Speaker 2: was making all these excuses. And then my agent at
Speaker 2: the time, it was Irish, and he was like, yeah, well, Daniels,
Speaker 2: because you're black. I said, what you means, it's because
Speaker 2: you're black? He said, it doesn't have it to anyone else.
Speaker 2: You should it doesn't matter you black. And I was
Speaker 2: like allowed to kind of like accept it, and then
Speaker 2: I would tell people it was racism and they kind
Speaker 2: of wouldn't believe me. Then when I said, oh, my
Speaker 2: Irish agents said it, they're like, oh, is it? So
Speaker 2: I realized. And when you're black, you feel you don't
Speaker 2: have the disease, but you feel the symptoms, but you're
Speaker 2: not allowed to diagnose it. It has to be someone
Speaker 2: outside of yourself that says that's what's happening, and that
Speaker 2: means it's more valid. Do you know what I'm saying?
Speaker 2: Usually the people that has come from because you're seen
Speaker 2: as too biased because you have the symptoms. So that's
Speaker 2: what I realized about it. Like you just gound for it.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh, roll, that's kind of nuts. I can't
Speaker 2: really even say it. And that's what a sub conscious guy. Yeah,
Speaker 2: if I say it, he's got a chip on shore.
Speaker 2: That's what is. You got a chip on your shoulder,
Speaker 2: you know, chips on my shoulder? Bro, Like, I mean,
Speaker 2: it's nuts, Like it's not what you're saying. It's like
Speaker 2: it's common. And people are like and so I think
Speaker 2: that's where it is. You're like just navigating all of
Speaker 2: those things. Like, so it took me a long It
Speaker 2: took me a long time to figure it out. Figure out.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's something that you don't ever
Speaker 1: figure out because it's like I love how you describe that.
Speaker 1: Never heard it described like that, but the idea of
Speaker 1: how because you have the symptoms, you can't be the
Speaker 1: one to diagnose it, but you can't be the one
Speaker 1: to express it, which feels so difficult because it's almost
Speaker 1: like this is my reality, but you need someone else
Speaker 1: to validate your reality. And that is a that is
Speaker 1: a really interesting prison to live in.
Speaker 2: Cool like what do you what do you love in life?
Speaker 2: What do I love away from? Like the family? You
Speaker 2: love football? Imagine my comment with J why do people
Speaker 2: don't like football?
Speaker 1: Ye be like yeah, I don't know.
Speaker 2: So when people go why people don't like black people?
Speaker 1: I know, yeah you don't know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So then that's what I'm saying. It's like there's
Speaker 2: something it's gas lighting, yeah, because it's like I don't
Speaker 2: how am I supposed to? But then when I initiate
Speaker 2: it and say this is happening, I'm not believed. But
Speaker 2: then I'm supposed to report about it when it's happening
Speaker 2: to me from there to justify what they're doing. It's
Speaker 2: a whole like it doesn't really make sense what's happening.
Speaker 2: If I go, this is happening, No, that's not true,
Speaker 2: and then they'll have a whole lawyer or someone like
Speaker 2: a professor dossier. And then now if he says it
Speaker 2: because he wrote eighty pages of waffle, they believe him.
Speaker 2: But I told you, you're just saying that his worth,
Speaker 2: his word is worth more than man, and in that
Speaker 2: it's racism. I'll say this, it's not worth It's just
Speaker 2: not worth anything to you. And I had to really
Speaker 2: learn that my word is worth something to me to
Speaker 2: me and so then like I just I just moved
Speaker 2: like that. So I just don't really like kind of
Speaker 2: engage with the narratives because it's just people just making
Speaker 2: up things that protect what they like about it. Because
Speaker 2: you only things are kept because they like something about it,
Speaker 2: because they didn't know get rid of it. They will
Speaker 2: change the culture. You've seen how they change other things. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you change the culture. There's something that protects I feel.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I find when I'm talking to you. I find
Speaker 1: that you've kind of really worked on like making peace
Speaker 1: with how you feel about yourself and how you feel
Speaker 1: about your views and how you feel about your art.
Speaker 1: Like there seems to be this autonomy and independence in
Speaker 1: saying as you were saying earlier, even when you were
Speaker 1: given a bad grade, you were like, Nana, but I
Speaker 1: know this is good. And even what you were saying
Speaker 1: before where you were like it gave you space to
Speaker 1: fail in private because you were like, no, no, I
Speaker 1: know that I'm working on myself. So it feels like
Speaker 1: you've really worked on having this internal piece. How hard
Speaker 1: is that? As your career kind of does the opposite, right,
Speaker 1: So it's like you're getting more and more focused on
Speaker 1: giving yourself piece, which is an amazing skill. Like I'm
Speaker 1: loving to see it on display and I know everyone's
Speaker 1: going to appreciate seeing it. And at the same time,
Speaker 1: it's like you're you're doing bigger and bigger things, so
Speaker 1: you're more and more exposed to other people's opinions. How
Speaker 1: have you managed to or how are you managing to
Speaker 1: continue to kind of hold on to that core of
Speaker 1: that nine year old and that fifteen year old.
Speaker 2: I mean, like I think I always just have it
Speaker 2: like it's just mine. Yeah, so it's not something, but
Speaker 2: I think it's like what happens is is how I
Speaker 2: I've done things that causes a ruckers or chaos in
Speaker 2: my sphere, and so like you just got to accept
Speaker 2: that you're bit chaotic. I mean it's I mean, it's
Speaker 2: like there's something that doesn't mean that's you, but there's
Speaker 2: something there that you have to look at. If it's
Speaker 2: nuts like that, you have to look cool, like where
Speaker 2: is that? What's that? And then you get closer to
Speaker 2: being cool with it or then it will quiet down.
Speaker 2: But there's something that I'm not looking at if it
Speaker 2: was a bit mad or you care too much what
Speaker 2: people think. So I'm saying is like you have to
Speaker 2: accept that. Just go cool? What why is that? What's
Speaker 2: happening there? I feel like, But yeah, no, it's it's
Speaker 2: been last few year's been it's been wild, but like
Speaker 2: it's been like I've done it in a very quiet way.
Speaker 2: It's been it's been wild in a sense like what
Speaker 2: happens and and stuff like that, But that's what happens.
Speaker 2: That the narratives that I've been a part of a
Speaker 2: powerful and like the decisions are made to like stand
Speaker 2: on things that I believe in or even basically like
Speaker 2: a lot of the I know what I like, and
Speaker 2: I like what I like. If people don't like it,
Speaker 2: I'm like I would want to if I care, I
Speaker 2: want to know why you don't like it. But I
Speaker 2: like what I like, and I stand on decisions I make,
Speaker 2: and I think they're not spreads. I don't know. Maybe
Speaker 2: it's that's a bit different to how people handle their
Speaker 2: careers in this day and age. So I don't know,
Speaker 2: But that's just me guessing. I don't have a big
Speaker 2: landscape and whatever decision people are making.
Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, what is it you feel like to
Speaker 1: see some of those like nine year old fifteen year
Speaker 1: old dreams come true? Like what does that feel like
Speaker 1: in reality? Like what does that actually look like?
Speaker 2: Can't normal? I knew it? I know it. Like if
Speaker 2: I minute I get the idea, I'm like, right cool
Speaker 2: there bo. That's when I get excited on and it's
Speaker 2: worked to it. So when you're working to it, when
Speaker 2: you get there, it costs so much. You know, it
Speaker 2: costs so much. If you want something that like you
Speaker 2: really want, the price is so high that you're just
Speaker 2: a bit like cool. You're not seeing it as for
Speaker 2: the gine that you saw in the perspective at fifteen
Speaker 2: at nine, you're seeing it all right. That cost me this,
Speaker 2: that cost me that I had to wake up for.
Speaker 2: I had to do this that there, I had to
Speaker 2: grind it, I had to do this night, I had
Speaker 2: to do this. You're seeing the cost it takes. You're
Speaker 2: feeling the cost it takes. So when you land and
Speaker 2: arrive cool, there was turbulence. You got here, I did
Speaker 2: you just did? You know what I'm saying. And then
Speaker 2: but the excitement comes from like feeling like you can
Speaker 2: do it before you see all of it that makes sense,
Speaker 2: like the full kind of picture because you're only seeing
Speaker 2: the good, that's why you go there. But then like
Speaker 2: everything's balanced, that's all it is. It's not like it's bad,
Speaker 2: it's just like it's everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love I love that statement you just said,
Speaker 1: Like you only see the good, that's why you go there.
Speaker 1: And then when you go there, you see all of it,
Speaker 1: but you realize that all of it was part of
Speaker 1: getting you there. It was never possible to get there
Speaker 1: without everything else, Like it was never and.
Speaker 2: Part of it you only seeing the good because like
Speaker 2: entire issues like what people say about sex, like how
Speaker 2: sex is like away for your genes to keep going,
Speaker 2: Like it's it's like a creative body has created this
Speaker 2: organism to keep going, so then you have this pleasure
Speaker 2: out of it. So it's like like it's kind of like,
Speaker 2: oh you got yeah, and then when you go in there,
Speaker 2: I'm not saying sex is bad, like you go, you
Speaker 2: go to full of it, you go to see fullness
Speaker 2: of it. I I find it when you go on
Speaker 2: those journeys. Yeah, there's something about the badness in it
Speaker 2: that you have to face in yourself. And it's whether
Speaker 2: you take the lesson. And if you don't take that lesson,
Speaker 2: you will meet it again. You will meet it again
Speaker 2: until it lets you go. And then me and you
Speaker 2: meet and accept it. Sometimes you realize what I've realized that, like,
Speaker 2: oh I don't even want that good now. Part of
Speaker 2: it was me figuring out something in me that I
Speaker 2: didn't really know that I wanted to figure out, you
Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But that was probably the majority
Speaker 2: of it. You know what I'm saying. And the sex
Speaker 2: impostals you go there, I'm saying is like do that.
Speaker 1: When did you get you said, when you haven't, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna do a little bad impersonation. But you're like when
Speaker 1: you get the idea, it's like boom, So where's the
Speaker 1: where's where's the When did you get the idea for
Speaker 1: the kitchen? And like, because I know that projects taking
Speaker 1: a long time to come to life, right, eight years
Speaker 1: or something, seven ten, ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got the idea of the barbershop in Holloway.
Speaker 2: I was sitting in the barber shop and then like
Speaker 2: these guys were talking about taking stuff like these highest
Speaker 2: a million pound highest and this is down the other
Speaker 2: and they were talking but.
Speaker 1: They were doing actually doing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just chatting. I'm like, these guys are
Speaker 2: talking and then like this and there was something was
Speaker 2: on TV and I was like, yeah, that's the that's
Speaker 2: that's that's that dude. And then I was like, wow,
Speaker 2: that's And then in that moment, I was like I'd
Speaker 2: love to see that film of people like going into
Speaker 2: like diamond shorts stores and like robbing stuff. I was like,
Speaker 2: I'd love to see that just in the barber chilling
Speaker 2: because like my barber just kept on putting appointments before me,
Speaker 2: even though I made an appointment, so I'll be sitting
Speaker 2: in the whole half the day and then like so
Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, I'd love to see that.
Speaker 2: And then like and then I never saw him again ever,
Speaker 2: and I was like, what happened too? And He's like yeah,
Speaker 2: and then like I was like I couldn't shake it.
Speaker 2: I was like it was thrilling, but there was a cost.
Speaker 2: And I was seeing like twenty two in a barber
Speaker 2: shop chill. I was like signing about that. Then I
Speaker 2: did a bit more research and I realized that like, oh,
Speaker 2: they're getting paid, like the stealing millions of pounds worth
Speaker 2: of diamonds, but they're getting paid two hundred pounds. I
Speaker 2: was like signing that. That says where we're at in
Speaker 2: this world and what's going on in London where they
Speaker 2: don't even know the value of what they're robbing, they
Speaker 2: think it's worth two hundred and then willing to risk
Speaker 2: their life and then freedom for it. Oh No, what's
Speaker 2: what's going on there? I just kept digging, so I
Speaker 2: just would go down there and then I'm like where
Speaker 2: I grew up, Like how we grew up? Like obviously
Speaker 2: you do like the professional jobs like you do like
Speaker 2: Harry and Pool and the psychovills and then that. But
Speaker 2: then I would have like a whole other career where
Speaker 2: we just make YouTube videos and we just competing with
Speaker 2: people and just make stuff. So then there was a
Speaker 2: time when, like, because I wrote on skins and stuff,
Speaker 2: and there was a time and like Ion wanted to
Speaker 2: do meetings and talk about what my ideas were, and
Speaker 2: I was like, I'm tired of these coffees man like.
Speaker 2: And so I was like, and I've got the team together,
Speaker 2: a direct producer and that that was building with and
Speaker 2: then like and then I was like, oh, let's just
Speaker 2: make it. So I asked my barber. He's in the film.
Speaker 2: Actually I loved that he's in the film.
Speaker 1: And then I asked him, is he a barber in
Speaker 1: the film?
Speaker 2: He's one of the he's one of the residents. He's
Speaker 2: one of the main residents. But this is why, this
Speaker 2: is why. So I went to the barber. He closed
Speaker 2: on Wednesdays. So I was like, hey, bro, like, I
Speaker 2: beg you, let's use your shot because I want Basically
Speaker 2: it started as reservoir dogs in the barber shop, all right.
Speaker 2: So then I was like, like, come use your shot
Speaker 2: to shoot. He said, yeah, of course course, cose course.
Speaker 2: Then I like paying people. He said I have a
Speaker 2: three I was like nah, man, like please. And then
Speaker 2: he was like you didn't have a budget. I think
Speaker 2: me like two hundred pound each and we just shot something.
Speaker 2: I got any actors and it then your crew and
Speaker 2: then like and he was like, don't cut me out
Speaker 2: of this, don't cut me out of this. I was like, oh,
Speaker 2: I forgot You's like when it blows, keep I need
Speaker 2: to stay involved. Said I got you. I got you.
Speaker 2: So that's how it kind of started, and then it evolved.
Speaker 2: It kept on evolving from them.
Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. I love hearing how like ideas
Speaker 1: come about. And I appreciate that you have that memory.
Speaker 1: Did you actually sit down with people who'd done those heists?
Speaker 1: Did you meet some people who had actually gone through
Speaker 1: with it?
Speaker 2: Met the guys, I met the girl, I met a
Speaker 2: couple of guys that did stuff like that, and it
Speaker 2: was just like I think I went there and it
Speaker 2: was like, pretty it's pretty simple. Actually, it's like for me,
Speaker 2: it was about the mentality, which I knew, I understood,
Speaker 2: but it was like kind of being around the people
Speaker 2: understanding just like hanging with them, hanging with them and
Speaker 2: the people that in the news and next so I said,
Speaker 2: I children them and they was like this is doAnd
Speaker 2: the other. But they I think them kind of guys
Speaker 2: like they we understand each other because I kind of
Speaker 2: go into the industry like listen, I'm just doing what
Speaker 2: want like I'm just going to go in there. And
Speaker 2: I think that's how that's the energy that they have.
Speaker 2: But yeah, now they were they're interesting people.
Speaker 1: Well what did you learn about them? Do you feel
Speaker 1: they were just they're just trying to survive or they're
Speaker 1: trying to or they sold the dream or what's kind
Speaker 1: of motivating them to do that.
Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they just they just do
Speaker 2: it because like it's just what it's part of the operation.
Speaker 2: Is what they do is what they know is their reality.
Speaker 2: It's that's what they know. That's how they've chosen five.
Speaker 2: Whether they've been the older brother or been the only
Speaker 2: boy in the family or whatever, the reason is that
Speaker 2: they've gone down that path. They did it, and they
Speaker 2: have a level of intelligence that means they've been able
Speaker 2: to organize an operation and like talk to people and
Speaker 2: communicating this and that, and like I said, like they're right,
Speaker 2: but that's they're just doing that in this realm saying
Speaker 2: it's like I found, I found how they think more
Speaker 2: interesting than what they do. And that's what I wanted
Speaker 2: to exploring. This is like exposing the thought and the
Speaker 2: principles behind how they live and what their values are
Speaker 2: and why and how it's connected to and if they
Speaker 2: people are really true to it. So basically like someone
Speaker 2: that Staples in the film, he doesn't do anything criminal
Speaker 2: to per se, Yeah, but it's like he has the
Speaker 2: mentality and the values just saying is like he's just
Speaker 2: got He thinks the enemy isn't the other postcode or
Speaker 2: the other block. The enemy is a system and he
Speaker 2: engages with them. How he how we would see a
Speaker 2: kid like that engage with the other block yea in
Speaker 2: the postcode? He goes is you look and he just
Speaker 2: engages them that that that's a powerful energy, is a
Speaker 2: powerful mentality, it's a leader. So I kind of was
Speaker 2: just interested in that and how those people think and
Speaker 2: how that can be. How can motor and a kind
Speaker 2: of like a cultural identity. And I felt that kind
Speaker 2: of like London had the energy of like bro, we
Speaker 2: do what we want, Like if you're really from there,
Speaker 2: if you're really from there, and I feel you have
Speaker 2: the energy, but you're just a monk and that I mean,
Speaker 2: you're like it's then you're like, hey, it's me. You're
Speaker 2: like you're doing it for good things. But it's like
Speaker 2: I think London, it's I always felt London was a
Speaker 2: special city, a very special city. But are sometimes our
Speaker 2: humility and class ceiling, Yeah, stops us from like doing
Speaker 2: what we want to do. Like people there's a glass
Speaker 2: ceiling and I'm like, it's made of glass. You can
Speaker 2: break it, like it's made to get something. And I
Speaker 2: feel like what I was around was basically what I
Speaker 2: grew up around was that mentality we're going to make
Speaker 2: it work, We're going to make it happen, and not
Speaker 2: in an arrogant way. We just because we want it
Speaker 2: to happen. We just we mean it. It's sincerity, we
Speaker 2: mean it. We just want it to happen, and like
Speaker 2: it's more than us. And I feel like London And
Speaker 2: then I've researched about London, about the blitz and how
Speaker 2: the mentality of like when London was bombed for the
Speaker 2: first time, how like people were scared and then after
Speaker 2: it they were like, oh we survived. And how it
Speaker 2: built a resilience in the city, like a kind of
Speaker 2: resilience that I feel like it's still here. But because
Speaker 2: of the class system and that keep calm, carry on mentality,
Speaker 2: we kind of squash it and like like are very
Speaker 2: like regional with how with our dreams we think, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: if we got this, then that's enough because said person
Speaker 2: said that's all you can get? Who is this person?
Speaker 2: That's how I feel. Who are you to limit me?
Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense to me?
Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think people are scared to dream? Or
Speaker 1: is it scared or they're accepting a limit or what? What?
Speaker 1: How would you want to.
Speaker 2: One of the big moments I had one of the
Speaker 2: big breakthroughs I feel when the script was like randomly
Speaker 2: like so like I think Black Mirror was like twenty
Speaker 2: two four years later, like Blue in America.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not America.
Speaker 2: Netflix exit with a thing, So I did that. I
Speaker 2: did this TV show and then and then I did
Speaker 2: a thing that it crossed over in America, so I
Speaker 2: was in New York and then like it was years
Speaker 2: after I did it. It was main of a packet.
Speaker 2: I fight right then, So I had a photo shoot.
Speaker 2: So I stayed a photohoot and I was like, I've
Speaker 2: got to watch the fight here. So I stayed in
Speaker 2: this flat bedstarle and I was chilling, and I was
Speaker 2: just so. I was in New York. In New York,
Speaker 2: going to I'll get to the church, went to the branch,
Speaker 2: I was going everywhere. I was. I was rolling to
Speaker 2: the parties, went everywhere. And then I was like and
Speaker 2: I was. And then I was walking around and there's
Speaker 2: a massive poster of Biggie in Brooklyn, and I looked
Speaker 2: at it. I was like, they really love themselves. This
Speaker 2: is someone that's come from there and they've pushed that.
Speaker 2: I don't think London would. We wouldn't see our heroes
Speaker 2: of now on that pedestal, on that platform. We wouldn't
Speaker 2: see them as who they are. What was period of time,
Speaker 2: so huh. I came back home and I used to
Speaker 2: like go calli pool, but I used to run from
Speaker 2: my place to go Cally Pool. I used to get
Speaker 2: a lot of things from our jogs, so I'd run there.
Speaker 2: It's ten minutes jog, and I would look around. I'm
Speaker 2: like the same demographic as New York, literally same demographic.
Speaker 2: What's the difference. Why does New York feel like New
Speaker 2: York and then London feels And I was just run
Speaker 2: running around. I was like, these guys don't believe themselves.
Speaker 2: I won't believe myself, and I think my career has shifted.
Speaker 2: But also I think there I just feel I want
Speaker 2: that for London. I want that we're global, we're playing
Speaker 2: world class rent. I want world class results from the city.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? So like, but for
Speaker 2: whatever reason, we're just like going no, no, no. It's
Speaker 2: like I just don't I don't believe in that. I
Speaker 2: don't believe in that. And I feel like New York
Speaker 2: has just decide with this, And I think if London
Speaker 2: has decided with this, I think everything will flourish. And
Speaker 2: I think a lot of it came from that if
Speaker 2: we're being honest about who we are, as opposed to
Speaker 2: kind of hiding and kind of suppressing and kind of
Speaker 2: this quick keep calm it, carry on, sheen that we're
Speaker 2: pretending to be where we're actually as a culture very
Speaker 2: quite cocky or sure about who we are, what we
Speaker 2: stand for. Even the fact that when you grow up
Speaker 2: in London, like you really still stay hanging out with
Speaker 2: your friends that you grew up with. What I'm saying,
Speaker 2: it's like, it's sure because that's what it is I mean,
Speaker 2: and that's there's a level of conviction and values that
Speaker 2: I feel we're not honest about publicly. And I want
Speaker 2: I wanted more. I wanted more for London.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, man. I relate to so much
Speaker 1: of that as someone who considers myself through and through
Speaker 1: London born, raised, university school, everything. All my best friends
Speaker 1: are here, you know, and obviously I don't live here anymore,
Speaker 1: but when I'm back, it's like, to me, yeah, London
Speaker 1: raised me, and you have that kind of affinity to
Speaker 1: this city in such a special way. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: feel similar to you that I feel often people think
Speaker 1: if you if you dream bigger, or you think beyond,
Speaker 1: or you are pursuing the limitless, it's almost seen as
Speaker 1: less than. It's seen as like no, no, no, don't don't
Speaker 1: try that, like that's it's not worth it, it's not
Speaker 1: worth it. Or when we feel we have to present
Speaker 1: ourselves to others, well like no, no, you shouldn't even have
Speaker 1: to do that. You should it should just happen, and
Speaker 1: it's like, well no, sometimes it takes a bit of
Speaker 1: work and convincing and pushing the boundaries as you're saying
Speaker 1: as well, And so I can relate to all of
Speaker 1: that and I feel the same way. I feel the
Speaker 1: same way. London is fully global and London has so
Speaker 1: much incredible talent in all these different industries, and I
Speaker 1: think it needs to be shared globally too. We don't
Speaker 1: need to stay just here.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't think so. I think. I
Speaker 2: think we've got a lot to say, and we've got
Speaker 2: an interesting perspective, and I just want to I want
Speaker 2: more of it. Like a lot of the time I
Speaker 2: do things. I was like coming in and I may
Speaker 2: mess it up, but at least at least I went
Speaker 2: for it. At least I went for it and I
Speaker 2: believed in it, and then hopefully someone after me refine
Speaker 2: it so then I can learn signing and I'll go
Speaker 2: for it.
Speaker 1: On the back.
Speaker 2: That's the whole point, like, just go for it. It's
Speaker 2: not about you, It's about your ideas, what you can
Speaker 2: hear and what you can let through. That's what this is, man,
Speaker 2: And so what are you doing like what you're listening to,
Speaker 2: what radio station is to, what ideas you're letting up?
Speaker 2: That's how I see it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you get I'm introdused. I loved how
Speaker 1: you talked about how the idea for the kitchen formed.
Speaker 1: How do you get curious and critique your own ideas?
Speaker 1: Because I'm sure you have ideas popping at you all
Speaker 1: the time. How do you kind of like filter it
Speaker 1: down to be like, oh, this is an idea that
Speaker 1: I really love versus going to park that I'm going
Speaker 1: to take that from here, Like, walk me through what's
Speaker 1: happening in your mind, because I feel like when you
Speaker 1: do have an idea that you're sure off and you go, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the one. It seems so clear. But I'm guessing
Speaker 1: you have a million ideas before you get.
Speaker 2: That it's clear when you know it's clear, That's what
Speaker 2: I think. In that time, it's like before the true clarity,
Speaker 2: you can't It's like you just can't shake it off.
Speaker 2: You can't stop thinking about it, you can't stop thinking
Speaker 2: about it. You can't stop thinking about it. You keep going,
Speaker 2: you keep going, keep going, and then it goes, oh,
Speaker 2: I've got to do it, and I really truly, there's
Speaker 2: loads of ideas, but like what I read like like
Speaker 2: loads of ideas, but then like someone ends up doing it.
Speaker 2: And when someone ends up doing it, I get really happy.
Speaker 2: You're like, oh cool after do it? M m they
Speaker 2: did it, like I don't. I don't. I don't see
Speaker 2: it as mine as seems what I hear and what
Speaker 2: I can see, like I think no. Guy Looker said
Speaker 2: in the interview one time, like and there's an island
Speaker 2: discs and that. He said, like they asked him about
Speaker 2: like I can't wonder well one of them songs he made.
Speaker 2: They were like, what's it? Like he said, it's like
Speaker 2: fishing and you got in there by the shore and
Speaker 2: just waiting and he's waiting you on me all that. Oh.
Speaker 2: Michael Jackson described it one time where like he was
Speaker 2: saying how like he was writing, he's writing a song
Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, Michael, like go bed like
Speaker 2: you're tired. He's like, I can't, Michael go bed, Like
Speaker 2: I can't. Let why He's like, I can't because if
Speaker 2: I go to bed, God will give the song to
Speaker 2: Prince and the like you get it like it's not
Speaker 2: like it's not mine, it's what my expertise, my hours,
Speaker 2: my perspective, my I may have an idea, but I'm
Speaker 2: not the right have I had the right upbringing to
Speaker 2: really actualize it. Like it's all these fat is that
Speaker 2: come to you, letting it through. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2: So I could see things like oh, yeah, that's a
Speaker 2: great idea, but I'm like, I'm not that's not I'm
Speaker 2: not sure if I'm able to give that. So a
Speaker 2: lot of time when I act in that how I
Speaker 2: define it, A lot of time is there's stuff I
Speaker 2: want to say and the stuff I want to help
Speaker 2: people say. Acting is me helping someone say something because
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh I really want to say that too,
Speaker 2: but I haven't got time to like yeah, I just
Speaker 2: I help you say it. Like while this is like
Speaker 2: oh okay, nice stuff, I realized, oh I'm I'm the
Speaker 2: one that is supposed to say this. I can say this.
Speaker 2: And then you have to check yourself and go how
Speaker 2: much you thinking about yourself? How big is your mentality
Speaker 2: or like it could be limiting or like you mean,
Speaker 2: it's like there's a whole process. That's why it's taking
Speaker 2: me time. But I think when I did Skins when
Speaker 2: I wrote on Skins, I had a thing that when
Speaker 2: in my career I was like, all right, cool, do
Speaker 2: I want to be a great singer or do you
Speaker 2: I want to sing great songs? Yeah, And I think
Speaker 2: my career shifted when I was like, I want to
Speaker 2: sing great songs. And then I realized, in that process,
Speaker 2: you become a great singer. So when skins on, you're
Speaker 2: inheriting characters, you're singing a great song essentially. And then
Speaker 2: I realized, in this process, I've had to learn how
Speaker 2: to make a song, you know what I'm saying, How
Speaker 2: that to create a character, how that, to create relationship design?
Speaker 2: I had to create structure, Like you have to learn
Speaker 2: all that in order to get to the standard that
Speaker 2: I like. You know what I'm saying that it's not
Speaker 2: you can release it, but I wouldn't because I just
Speaker 2: have a higher standard for myself and the stuff I like.
Speaker 2: And I want me and my friends to like what
Speaker 2: I make or what I help someone make.
Speaker 1: I love what you said, man, And it's so interesting,
Speaker 1: Like when I'm listening to someone speak on the podcast,
Speaker 1: I'm always just trying to like sense, like what energy
Speaker 1: kind of connects everything They're saying and every time you
Speaker 1: speak and every time the way you answer stuff is
Speaker 1: is counterintuitive in a good way because I hear peace
Speaker 1: and calm through all of it. Like even for you
Speaker 1: to just say right now that when someone makes something
Speaker 1: that I had an idea about, you accept that with peace,
Speaker 1: that that's not my idea. It wasn't meant to be mine.
Speaker 1: Where a lot of us see someone make an idea
Speaker 1: come that we maybe one day had randomly, and we're like,
Speaker 1: they did my idea, Like I wish, you know, I
Speaker 1: could have been the person or whatever. We often feel
Speaker 1: a bit of competitiveness comparison and you have actually the
Speaker 1: opposite roads to sense of peace and like, actually that's
Speaker 1: great for them, good for them.
Speaker 2: And happy they made. I want to see it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I want to see it, like I want to see it,
Speaker 2: and it's like it's the reality of like, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: to be too well, I'm the one to make the
Speaker 2: idea in that certain kind of level that cost a lot.
Speaker 2: Like so if someone does it and they wanted to
Speaker 2: pay the price, I'm gonna sit front row. I' a
Speaker 2: fan of it, saying that back then I buy the DVD.
Speaker 2: I'm saying I would like I would support it because
Speaker 2: I'm just happy it exists. I was happy. I just
Speaker 2: want things to exist. I think the world that we
Speaker 2: kind of come into is really fake to say this
Speaker 2: is this, this is that, Like it's just people decided that.
Speaker 2: I just decided it's something different, and I think other
Speaker 2: people just decide something different. And I love seeing people
Speaker 2: make decisions.
Speaker 1: M hmm. I know, I know you know this, and
Speaker 1: I hope you know that. That is beautiful. Man, that
Speaker 1: is that mindset is like top notch. That said, that's
Speaker 1: another level of thinking.
Speaker 2: I wouldn't see it that way, but I hear you.
Speaker 2: I accept that.
Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm just saying I love that because I
Speaker 1: think if we could all live in that way where
Speaker 1: we could all be happy for what bringing things into existence,
Speaker 1: whether it's brought by us or brought by others, that's
Speaker 1: that's a beautiful state to live in.
Speaker 2: To make something that doesn't exist to exist is incredible.
Speaker 2: I think it's insane. Yeah, so I see that there's
Speaker 2: an Italian back we just forgot. I was that I
Speaker 2: was not saying whatever, but like but like like when
Speaker 2: Thomas said, oh you can't do this, I'm like a
Speaker 2: man and a woman have sex, yeah, and they make
Speaker 2: a baby. That is so incredible.
Speaker 1: It's insane.
Speaker 2: It's like I just like, I just don't you think
Speaker 2: that's the most insane. But that's really difficult to have.
Speaker 2: It's really difficult for us. It's a really difficult it's
Speaker 2: a difficult process. It's all these other thousand guys trying
Speaker 2: to get in there to you're coming. I'm here, like
Speaker 2: I just I just it's I don't know. It makes
Speaker 2: me I celebrate simple things like I remember at school,
Speaker 2: I used to look up in the sky. I can't
Speaker 2: like this interview is making me realize I was a
Speaker 2: special kid. But I look at this guy like if
Speaker 2: it's sick, the planes can fly. Yeah, but it's it's
Speaker 2: so heavy, it's so heavy. There's so many people, there's
Speaker 2: so many bags. What's going on? Like, I just gotta
Speaker 2: learn this playground, Like what's going on it? This is
Speaker 2: this is wild And I just was fo I just
Speaker 2: just think that's one of the most amazing things ever.
Speaker 2: Like that's why I always wanted to fly on the Concorde,
Speaker 2: and I never got around it because it got done
Speaker 2: by at the time I got there. But even a
Speaker 2: fast there was a faster one. I mean, it's just
Speaker 2: like wow. Because it's common, it doesn't mean it's still
Speaker 2: not wow. Yeah, And I think because there's a lot
Speaker 2: of it, people then this regarded specialists because there's a
Speaker 2: lot of it. I just don't do that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, really, Yeah, we've lost that experience of awe and
Speaker 1: fascination when you have things that surprise you because everything
Speaker 1: around you is making the most difficult things look easy
Speaker 1: ai VR, Like I mean today, you know, you could
Speaker 1: go on and on, like everything's becoming so accessible.
Speaker 2: And the editor of this kitchen we call it island.
Speaker 2: When you're staying in is yeah, this is what it
Speaker 2: is like. And then like so when you're in island,
Speaker 2: that is amazing because that a big metal box that
Speaker 2: has three hundred people with like eight hundred kilos of
Speaker 2: luggage going from San Francisco to London is incredible. That
Speaker 2: is amazing. And I just kind of I always go
Speaker 2: our way mim in Island? Am I there? Am I there?
Speaker 2: Because then you're in just perception land or whatever you
Speaker 2: think it is or whatever your past paying or whatever
Speaker 2: with this crap. Crap is valid, but like it's just
Speaker 2: staying that. Yeah, it's powerful.
Speaker 1: With your mindset and the amount of calm and peace
Speaker 1: there is in your life internally, internally you're you're thinking
Speaker 1: like a monk. Honestly, Yeah, because it's it's the mindset piece, man,
Speaker 1: It's it's the mindset. I'm not guessing that it's the
Speaker 1: mindset piece. Like you know, when I asked you every question,
Speaker 1: I've asked you. The things that have come out of
Speaker 1: your mind your mouth, peace and calm, and it's come naturally.
Speaker 1: It's not like you're trying to be zen like, it's
Speaker 1: just coming out because that's where you're trying to live.
Speaker 1: And so that's what it means, like in the modern
Speaker 1: day where you know, we're not trying to live a
Speaker 1: particular monk life in that sense externally, but there's a
Speaker 1: sense of peace within. There's a sense of calm within,
Speaker 1: and I love seeing it in other people. I always
Speaker 1: say one of the other people I saw in during
Speaker 1: an interview was Kobe Bryant. Like when I sat with
Speaker 1: him and I interviewed him, he had so much gravitas
Speaker 1: and so much calm and zen around him, and he
Speaker 1: wasn't spewing like verses or trying to sound you know, spiritual.
Speaker 1: He wasn't. He wasn't doing that same ways you're not
Speaker 1: doing that, But it was a natural part of about
Speaker 1: their presence, and so I respect it. I love seeing
Speaker 1: it in other people.
Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Havah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that I want to dive into and
Speaker 1: I love I love this idea about what is and
Speaker 1: what isn't and what could have been, what should have been,
Speaker 1: what would have been a lot of us live in that.
Speaker 1: What if if someone's listening right now and they're listening
Speaker 1: to you, and I'm I know this for a fact,
Speaker 1: anyone who's listened to you this far today, if you're
Speaker 1: still listening to the episode, which I know you are,
Speaker 1: I know that people are going to be moved. I
Speaker 1: know people are going to be inspired. I know there's
Speaker 1: a lot of people going to be going, oh my god,
Speaker 1: I didn't know he'd been through all of that, and
Speaker 1: you know, like skins and like just writing and the
Speaker 1: challenges and the stress. What would you like people to
Speaker 1: know about you that maybe you think they don't know
Speaker 1: or or understand about you, that maybe you've never really
Speaker 1: been able to talk about or share or or express.
Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm not I don't I struggle
Speaker 2: with like my perception, Like I don't really because because
Speaker 2: a lot of the fame, it's not like I chose
Speaker 2: to be this famous. It kind of came as a
Speaker 2: product of the work and it was a surprise product.
Speaker 2: Like I did a film and then a year later
Speaker 2: I was at the Oscars. I mean, so it was
Speaker 2: like it was like, oh, I'm not really I think
Speaker 2: I get the vibe where I'm like, people don't get
Speaker 2: me in America anyway, and then in England, I think
Speaker 2: people do get me, but they still because they get
Speaker 2: me to go, they don't understand how I've done it.
Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not really I'll keep it. Really, I've
Speaker 2: learned how to not be as invested in how people
Speaker 2: perceive me. But I just not invested in it because
Speaker 2: then you're consistently curated like I've been there. It's like
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting there like holier than that, like I've
Speaker 2: been there. I've been in it trying to trying to
Speaker 2: look at a certain way. I mean, like I was just like, wow,
Speaker 2: I was happy enough. So like I don't know, but
Speaker 2: if from you, if you want to go ask questions
Speaker 2: and I'll be open to and I'll be able to elaborate.
Speaker 2: I would love to what I'm saying, but for me,
Speaker 2: I don't go like because if I've really engaged people mentally,
Speaker 2: I could not get to where I've Yeah, I could
Speaker 2: not get to where I've got to. So that's a
Speaker 2: lot of that, A lot of that is in that
Speaker 2: of that kind of being so like, that's what I think.
Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, but I'm open. No no, no
Speaker 2: as well.
Speaker 1: No no, no, I get what you're saying, and I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't you know. I think that it's it's tricky
Speaker 1: because you're right that you can need to get so
Speaker 1: lost in cultivating and crafting and curating how you're perceived
Speaker 1: and then still people won't perceive you that way even
Speaker 1: if you do all of that, or you can kind
Speaker 1: of let it go and it kind of flows in
Speaker 1: its own direction and then you've made peace with that,
Speaker 1: which which I think is probably the healthier option because
Speaker 1: at least you can live and breathe.
Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, right, So I was I
Speaker 2: remember like I didn't really like I came in this game,
Speaker 2: like I didn't watch I watched like Batman and Robin
Speaker 2: so I'm not really, I'm just living life.
Speaker 1: I'm a kid, my Valcum.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they took George Clooney like that, Like just I'm
Speaker 2: watching life like films that come out, you know what
Speaker 2: I mean. So when I got into the industry, I
Speaker 2: was like talking about this art house, from this arthouse,
Speaker 2: from this, this, this, this, that and the other. And
Speaker 2: I remember HIV had this deal where you can black
Speaker 2: by one pound two pound films, so just by loads
Speaker 2: of films. And I would just watch all the people
Speaker 2: that people spoke about that, like the legends like menon
Speaker 2: Street Lewis, like Shane Meadows, Paddy Consertin, like all these
Speaker 2: people that people were like around that time, around oh seven,
Speaker 2: that people just obsessed about. But what the time watching?
Speaker 2: And I w go, oh, like all right, cool. I
Speaker 2: watched it. Active was like, okay, that's you're clearly really
Speaker 2: good at what you do, But so what like what
Speaker 2: four I mean? And I realized I cared more about
Speaker 2: that than how great you were at something that was
Speaker 2: aimless or perss. Then I realized great didn't mean anything.
Speaker 2: Being really great at your job being really good didn't mean,
Speaker 2: it didn't mean and it had no emotion to it.
Speaker 2: So that some person's really great. Then I obviously i'd
Speaker 2: watched all those that's those films, and I went for that.
Speaker 2: And then what happens when you go for that is
Speaker 2: a bit of a prison. And then you watch your
Speaker 2: work back and you're just critique in yourself. You're not
Speaker 2: enjoying it. You're just critique and critique and in your head,
Speaker 2: in your in your in your head. Then I had
Speaker 2: to go, yo, I can't keep doing this. I can't
Speaker 2: every time I do a job, just kind of because
Speaker 2: I'm always I always used to be that improv like
Speaker 2: think about the whole week. I'll do it, improving the
Speaker 2: whole week. I should have done this, I should have
Speaker 2: done that. Should next week, I'm gonna go this. I
Speaker 2: missed up and then and I was like this isn't
Speaker 2: this isn't enjoyable. And then I got to a place
Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, don't try and be good,
Speaker 2: try and be honest. Like what I say, truth is
Speaker 2: what happened. Honestly is how you feel about what happened.
Speaker 2: So that's how I felt like. I was just like, yo,
Speaker 2: like this is half this is what I feel like
Speaker 2: A minute I go for something that's honest. I'll do
Speaker 2: something at work and then a year later you watch
Speaker 2: it back and it's you're in a completely different space
Speaker 2: that you was a year ago, and you wouldn't have
Speaker 2: done it that way. But I just go, That's how
Speaker 2: I felt.
Speaker 1: That's the honesty that I felt.
Speaker 2: That's where I was that if I can't it's not now.
Speaker 2: Time is as important as you like. It's not like
Speaker 2: the time is there, the time like the time where
Speaker 2: you was at got you there. Yeah, And a lot
Speaker 2: of jobs is like I'm the best person for the job.
Speaker 2: After the job I'm saying. It's like and you have
Speaker 2: to make people you grew because you grew because you
Speaker 2: learned how to do it, and now you go if
Speaker 2: you give me now, and it's it's like an annoying
Speaker 2: thing to be in. Everybody's like you have to go with.
Speaker 2: That's how I felt. I was honest. If I was honest,
Speaker 2: I can always walk away and go put my head
Speaker 2: up like. That's so I felt, And so that's what
Speaker 2: I go for, Like in terms of everything, I got, yoh,
Speaker 2: that's where I'm at. Man, it's half man and then
Speaker 2: oh yeah, and if I say something different for years,
Speaker 2: they're like yeah, ye, it's because I went through something
Speaker 2: and my mentality or something shift. I changed my mind,
Speaker 2: So it's not it's not like that. That's how Really
Speaker 2: what I engage with now is this guy like any
Speaker 2: other like micro management of my perception. I'm too meticulous
Speaker 2: for me to really go in that lane because then
Speaker 2: I will really micromanager. So then I was like, well,
Speaker 2: what's just be real? And then and people that get
Speaker 2: get people that don't, that's what they're supposed to do.
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm glad I asked that
Speaker 1: question because I love where you took it, and I
Speaker 1: think what I'm intrigued by by what you said is
Speaker 1: what is what are the projects that you're now And
Speaker 1: I don't mean specifics like I don't need to name
Speaker 1: stuff that you're working on, but what is it that
Speaker 1: you want your work to mean today as you are writing,
Speaker 1: as you're producing, as you're now in charge of the story.
Speaker 1: Obviously you've been selective over roles you've played, but I mean,
Speaker 1: now that you're telling your own stories, writing your own stories,
Speaker 1: producing them would you've been doing since day one, but
Speaker 1: now doing it at this level, what do you want
Speaker 1: it to mean? What do you want people to feel.
Speaker 1: What are the things you'd like people want to feel.
Speaker 2: I don't think I can manage it, yeah, because that
Speaker 2: will rob them from their experience, right, or what I
Speaker 2: want people to feel about the stuff I made right
Speaker 2: and producing direct to anything I do in my life, Yeah,
Speaker 2: is to go someone to take it in, call their
Speaker 2: friend and have you seen this? This is mad? And
Speaker 2: then and they get points from their friend because they
Speaker 2: have shared something that. I mean, it's like there's a
Speaker 2: song that's amazing and they're like, this is mad. And
Speaker 2: then now forever you're going to rate that, you're going, Oh,
Speaker 2: I introduce you to that, just say do you feel
Speaker 2: like yeah, like I got it? Like I want my
Speaker 2: work to feel like that. I want it to feel
Speaker 2: to share it to there's an excitement, it's like there's
Speaker 2: a crackle to it, like I want there to be
Speaker 2: like I want it to be shareable, because I do
Speaker 2: think sometimes in a lot of work is there's stuff
Speaker 2: you share, this stuff you don't. It could be as
Speaker 2: good as great as you want the stuff that you
Speaker 2: want to share, This stuff you don't want to share.
Speaker 2: It's a lot of depressing stuff I do not want
Speaker 2: to share. But they are excellent, it's incredible. You just
Speaker 2: mean then you take it what you take into for
Speaker 2: whatever reason. And I do love the fact that people
Speaker 2: got ye this is this makes you feel something. This
Speaker 2: makes me, This makes me want to move. You know
Speaker 2: what it is? You know what it is. I want
Speaker 2: to make music that makes people want to dance. And
Speaker 2: how what I mean by that? It's like kind of
Speaker 2: like you can't intellectualize why someone dances. Do you know
Speaker 2: what u'mer saying? It's just they do they move? I mean,
Speaker 2: I want to just move people move people to go
Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that, or I want to do this,
Speaker 2: or like I want to share this. I want to
Speaker 2: I want to There's something that comes after it that
Speaker 2: means you that's bigger than any adjective. Do you know
Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Because a lot of times, a lot
Speaker 2: of people's feelings are just adjectives, the stuff that you
Speaker 2: say on Twitter, and not stuff that's we are actually feeling.
Speaker 2: So that's that's where that's why I'm.
Speaker 1: A great answer man, great answer. The reason why I
Speaker 1: love that is when I started, when I first made
Speaker 1: my first ever video and people said why did you
Speaker 1: make it? I said, because I wanted someone to send
Speaker 1: it to their friend and say that's what we were
Speaker 1: talking about. Yes, and that's what we were talking about,
Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to We didn't add it,
Speaker 1: but that that video helped explain, yes, what I was
Speaker 1: going through. But Daniel, you've been amazing. I've got a
Speaker 1: final five. We do this with every guest. These final
Speaker 1: five have to be answered in one word to one
Speaker 1: sentence maximum. So Daniel, these are your final five. The
Speaker 1: first question is what is the best advice you've ever heard,
Speaker 1: received or given.
Speaker 2: I've got one professionally, but I've got one personally. I
Speaker 2: used to reject it as a kid, this advice, but
Speaker 2: now I'm older, I get the more I'm realizing how
Speaker 2: much as my mum is always saying everything matters, everything,
Speaker 2: everything little matters, and I would let I wouldn't focus
Speaker 2: on detail. I willn't focus on details. And then now
Speaker 2: I'm old, I'm realizing the detail isn't about the details.
Speaker 2: This is about what it says about you and how
Speaker 2: easily you can show up on everything else if you
Speaker 2: just practice simple details and it goes everything little matters,
Speaker 2: just everything that matters.
Speaker 1: I think that I love that that's great, man. We
Speaker 1: never had that, and I fully agree, all right. Question
Speaker 1: number two, what is the worst advice you've ever heard,
Speaker 1: received or given?
Speaker 2: I can't remember specific, but I can remember how it
Speaker 2: made me feel and how I reacted to it in
Speaker 2: my head when they said it, when they basically were
Speaker 2: just saying accept less, basically what the principle was. And
Speaker 2: I think I just erase it when people say that,
Speaker 2: they go, you know, you're not supposed to like, you
Speaker 2: know this or that person deserves basically based on that
Speaker 2: person deserves more. I think everyone deserves more that I mean,
Speaker 2: it's not like I believe so if you decide that
Speaker 2: you want more than you can get, if you don't,
Speaker 2: then chilly. I mean, it's not like and I feel
Speaker 2: like when people are communicating sub continent just be communicating
Speaker 2: a hierarchy that they went out of that doesn't benefit me.
Speaker 2: I just got your chatting rubbish, but like I can't.
Speaker 2: It's that's I think it's accept less.
Speaker 1: Love that all right. Question number three, what's the first
Speaker 1: thing you do when you wake up and the last
Speaker 1: thing you do when you go to bed?
Speaker 2: Pray? Pray?
Speaker 1: M what's the prayer?
Speaker 2: Just? Thanks? Thanks? I got into that. I used to
Speaker 2: it as my mom as a kid. She made me
Speaker 2: the Bible with you now you should be the probother day.
Speaker 2: You know they got like thirty one chapters and that
Speaker 2: I used to read it as a kid. And then
Speaker 2: I don't know what I got into a players. I
Speaker 2: was just like, no, man, because one time I had
Speaker 2: to audition. I really wanted this audition. I weren't really
Speaker 2: all know that and we wanted this audition. I just prayed,
Speaker 2: who am I chatting to?
Speaker 1: What is on it?
Speaker 2: I was in New York. I remember I really wanted it,
Speaker 2: Like why did I feel to do that? And I
Speaker 2: just ignored it just kind of carried on my life.
Speaker 2: It's like twenty sixteen was like and then I think
Speaker 2: I work to a place and I was like, you
Speaker 2: know what it makes me? Just stay? Yeah, thanks, focus
Speaker 2: on what I think and like what I'm grateful for,
Speaker 2: and then like humility because my ego can get world sometimes,
Speaker 2: So teach me how to just chill and I listen
Speaker 2: to myself. Yeah, I think God's in you. I don't
Speaker 2: think God's above you. It's not big brother N eighty four.
Speaker 1: I love that. I'm going to take that as question
Speaker 1: four because I followed up fifth and final question. Yeah,
Speaker 1: if you could create one law in the world that
Speaker 1: everyone had to follow, what would it be.
Speaker 2: If you have been proven in one way, shape or
Speaker 2: form to hate someone or a group of people, your
Speaker 2: punishment is to live with them for a year.
Speaker 1: Mmmm.
Speaker 2: Anyone even like Twitter, hate anything on you do your
Speaker 2: that's like nine to five or whatever, Boom boom, you
Speaker 2: go live with them for a year, and it's being there.
Speaker 2: I think that's just off top.
Speaker 1: Really, that's a great answer, man. Yeah, I like that
Speaker 1: a lot.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's what that is.
Speaker 1: I like that. You there, That's a great answer. That's dope.
Speaker 2: Appreciate you.
Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you.
Speaker 2: Er.
Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode
Speaker 1: with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how
Speaker 1: to speak to yourself with more compassion.
Speaker 2: My fears are only going to continue to show me
Speaker 2: what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears,
Speaker 2: the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom,
Speaker 2: and I just want to keep doing that.