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The number 40 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:19,959 Speaker 1: one health and wellness podcast, Jay Shedy Jay Sheddy see 41 00:02:20,520 --> 00:02:26,200 Speaker 1: y only she Hey, everyone, Welcome back to On Purpose. 42 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:28,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for coming back to listen to 43 00:02:29,120 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 1: another episode. Today's guest is an actor, a writer, producer. 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:36,279 Speaker 1: You'll know him from so many of his blockbuster successes. 45 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,560 Speaker 1: I can't wait for you to listen to this interview 46 00:02:38,760 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: with Daniel Kalujah. I always like starting with this question 47 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 1: because I think I'm intrigued to see where you take it, 48 00:02:44,160 --> 00:02:48,359 Speaker 1: Like what would you say is your earliest childhood memory 49 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:50,240 Speaker 1: that defines who you are today? 50 00:02:50,720 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: There's one here, There was one. I grew up quite 51 00:02:52,800 --> 00:02:55,480 Speaker 2: a fat kid. Yeah, and then needs to go scouts, 52 00:02:55,680 --> 00:02:57,840 Speaker 2: cubs and scouts. You go into like I don't know, 53 00:02:57,880 --> 00:02:59,840 Speaker 2: some random places in the countryside down to a camping 54 00:03:00,080 --> 00:03:02,639 Speaker 2: something and then like this potholes you know about potholes. 55 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 2: Go in there. So I run through the pothole. Yeah, 56 00:03:06,240 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 2: and then like I'm doing this pothole. I'm going in 57 00:03:08,880 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: and like Emo starts laughing because I'm fat. They was like, 58 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 2: oh Dan, it's not gonna fit. That's not gonna fit. 59 00:03:13,919 --> 00:03:15,640 Speaker 2: And I got in there and then halfway through it 60 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:18,079 Speaker 2: gets narrow and narrow, and I proper did it, and 61 00:03:18,120 --> 00:03:19,919 Speaker 2: they looked in a bunch of kids were like I 62 00:03:19,960 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: must have been nine eight. They were like, He's filled 63 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:29,200 Speaker 2: the whole thing. They just laughing, laughing, laughing, laugh and laughing. 64 00:03:29,760 --> 00:03:31,160 Speaker 2: And then I was like, all right, cool, I can't 65 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,360 Speaker 2: really go back, so it's only really and I'm actually 66 00:03:34,400 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 2: half filled it. So then I was like all right, cool, 67 00:03:36,640 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: and I just found a way to. I was just 68 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:41,800 Speaker 2: like I knew how to like change my body and go, 69 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:44,600 Speaker 2: I'm gonna get out. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna 70 00:03:44,600 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 2: do it. I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. 71 00:03:46,440 --> 00:03:49,120 Speaker 2: And then I realized they were laughing. And then as 72 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: I was getting closer, closer to the exit, they just 73 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 2: stopped laughing. They stopped laughing, they stopped laughing, and then 74 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,880 Speaker 2: by the end they clapped, and I think after it, 75 00:03:58,920 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 2: I was like, right that, yeah, I don't know, I 76 00:04:00,880 --> 00:04:04,080 Speaker 2: look back and go, I think it really changed how 77 00:04:04,120 --> 00:04:07,760 Speaker 2: I saw everything my life. Bro, what what is? What? 78 00:04:08,000 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 2: What are you to me? Like what I'm saying, It's 79 00:04:10,000 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 2: like I kind of felt had the energy was like 80 00:04:11,880 --> 00:04:14,520 Speaker 2: just push through, just do what you're supposed to do. 81 00:04:14,560 --> 00:04:16,080 Speaker 2: Just do what you're supposed to do. And you get 82 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,640 Speaker 2: to the end and people that will say things that 83 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:21,440 Speaker 2: will tell you say you're weird, say you're odd. By 84 00:04:21,480 --> 00:04:24,960 Speaker 2: the end of it, not that they'll clap, you can 85 00:04:25,040 --> 00:04:27,640 Speaker 2: make them. I don't know. It doesn't matter about them. 86 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 2: It just matters about you getting there, you know what 87 00:04:30,000 --> 00:04:32,159 Speaker 2: I'm saying. And I think a few years ago before 88 00:04:32,200 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 2: that I really cared about the clap. I really care, 89 00:04:35,279 --> 00:04:38,080 Speaker 2: like I'm gonna make you clap, I'm pissed, I'm gonna 90 00:04:38,080 --> 00:04:40,200 Speaker 2: make you clap. I think in that moment, I saw 91 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 2: my character, I saw what I'm actually about in that moment, 92 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,800 Speaker 2: and yeah, and then it just respected me and the 93 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:49,279 Speaker 2: end it was what I gained respect. 94 00:04:49,839 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: So yeah, and you think that that still applies today 95 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 1: in always? 96 00:04:54,240 --> 00:04:56,680 Speaker 2: Yeah, Man, do you tell me people say you can't 97 00:04:56,680 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: do something? Everything's it up? 98 00:05:01,080 --> 00:05:02,560 Speaker 1: What have you been told that you couldn't do? 99 00:05:03,560 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 2: Name it? Like anything I'm doing now, I've thought I've 100 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 2: been told I can't do. I've told I can't act. 101 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 2: I wouldn't be able to make a career out of connections. 102 00:05:10,520 --> 00:05:13,920 Speaker 2: It is on Parkway, like in Camden, there's no connections. Yeah, 103 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,240 Speaker 2: they were like saying, my mom was just stressed, like 104 00:05:16,400 --> 00:05:19,320 Speaker 2: did you want to act? Talk to some people then, 105 00:05:19,320 --> 00:05:22,120 Speaker 2: and they were like, you ain't gonna make it. I 106 00:05:22,160 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 2: think I can. I once been fifteen, you know, no, 107 00:05:26,960 --> 00:05:29,320 Speaker 2: no no. So it's all that kind of stuff, like 108 00:05:29,360 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 2: you're consistently kind of told that like it won't happen, 109 00:05:33,520 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 2: and I just didn't believe that. So that's why I 110 00:05:36,120 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 2: really would keep it secret what I was doing on 111 00:05:38,960 --> 00:05:42,280 Speaker 2: my dreams and my hopes or hopes like what I 112 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 2: see like if I can see it, that means I 113 00:05:44,520 --> 00:05:47,279 Speaker 2: can do it. So it's more that like every everything, 114 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 2: everything like you're told you can't do, even like being 115 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:52,000 Speaker 2: away from race, even the class that I've come from, 116 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:54,839 Speaker 2: like they're saying, oh, you can't do that. I'm what 117 00:05:54,920 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 2: you're talking about. It's nuts, Like I just I've always 118 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 2: just been like yeah. But then that was very much 119 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,480 Speaker 2: the mentality of my school, Like it was basically right, cool, 120 00:06:03,480 --> 00:06:05,440 Speaker 2: you ain't got money, all right, called let's sell chocolate bars, 121 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,440 Speaker 2: I called let's sell crisps. It's just like you've got 122 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:11,440 Speaker 2: to make it work no matter what. So I've always come. 123 00:06:11,640 --> 00:06:13,040 Speaker 2: I feel like I've come from that cloth. 124 00:06:13,440 --> 00:06:17,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, did you find that keeping it secret was useful? 125 00:06:17,920 --> 00:06:22,080 Speaker 2: Yeah? Because it meant that I was able to fail 126 00:06:22,200 --> 00:06:26,479 Speaker 2: in private and just grow at my own pace and 127 00:06:26,560 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 2: have it and understand basically what it was. I realized 128 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:31,280 Speaker 2: in hindsight and active and right and all this kind 129 00:06:31,320 --> 00:06:33,839 Speaker 2: of stuff. I realized I found what it meant to me. 130 00:06:34,760 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 2: I found what my definition of it is. I found 131 00:06:37,120 --> 00:06:40,520 Speaker 2: my style. I found what I liked that was so 132 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:43,240 Speaker 2: it was mine. It wasn't like, oh I got it 133 00:06:43,279 --> 00:06:44,880 Speaker 2: from here or got it from there, because now this 134 00:06:44,960 --> 00:06:47,880 Speaker 2: is what I think. This is how I've got to this. 135 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,280 Speaker 2: So that's like why I'm happy I did it because 136 00:06:52,320 --> 00:06:54,960 Speaker 2: I felt like, in hindsight, I felt I was a 137 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 2: bit too ahead of people that I was around in 138 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: terms of what I was focused on. Because it's quite 139 00:07:00,800 --> 00:07:03,720 Speaker 2: odd if I think about I think back, I was like, yeah, no, come, 140 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do this. Like is that your meaning that 141 00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:09,240 Speaker 2: no one in my family's doing it? No one, no 142 00:07:09,279 --> 00:07:12,120 Speaker 2: one's doing it. But I just think I can stand. 143 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:16,600 Speaker 2: So it's like, so I think it's it's that, Yeah. 144 00:07:16,000 --> 00:07:18,280 Speaker 1: Where did that believe come from? At that age? At fifteen? 145 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:18,600 Speaker 2: To go? 146 00:07:19,160 --> 00:07:20,920 Speaker 1: I can't even though no one's saying it like where 147 00:07:20,920 --> 00:07:23,560 Speaker 1: where did that inspiration come from? Was it? Was it 148 00:07:23,600 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: from what you were watching? 149 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:29,040 Speaker 2: Fresh Prince was watching like Wayne's Brothers. I was watching 150 00:07:29,160 --> 00:07:31,640 Speaker 2: like I don't know Sponge, No, Sponge was a bit 151 00:07:31,640 --> 00:07:36,760 Speaker 2: past my maybe same since and Eddie like I was watching, Yeah, 152 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:38,720 Speaker 2: I was watching Life. Like I said that, I wasn't 153 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 2: really like, I don't know. I just believe. I don't know. 154 00:07:43,000 --> 00:07:47,600 Speaker 2: I just kind of was like, no, I don't believe you. Yeah, 155 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:50,040 Speaker 2: I don't know you. Like at back in the day, 156 00:07:50,080 --> 00:07:52,679 Speaker 2: I was like like, say, remember John Major. Yeah, I'm 157 00:07:52,680 --> 00:07:54,800 Speaker 2: going to start that. They said he told you to 158 00:07:54,840 --> 00:07:59,000 Speaker 2: do something. I'm like, but I don't know him. How 159 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:02,040 Speaker 2: can someone I don't know what to do? Kind of 160 00:08:02,120 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 2: nuts if I know somebody like Jermaine, It's like So 161 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 2: that's why I was like, I just always no. I 162 00:08:09,320 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 2: realized I think I just I'm blessed. I have faith, 163 00:08:12,800 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 2: and I think I just have faith. And I realized 164 00:08:15,160 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 2: I read something the other day and I think the 165 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:20,320 Speaker 2: difference between faith and delusion is God. And I'm not 166 00:08:20,360 --> 00:08:23,160 Speaker 2: saying like, oh God, it's just like I just have faith, 167 00:08:23,240 --> 00:08:25,560 Speaker 2: Like I just had faith. I just just believe and 168 00:08:25,600 --> 00:08:29,440 Speaker 2: I think maybe I saw my family doing amazing things, 169 00:08:29,480 --> 00:08:32,520 Speaker 2: like not amazing things in a sense that like making 170 00:08:32,559 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 2: something work or going for a holiday, or they just 171 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: didn't accept they were done, like says I wanted to 172 00:08:38,360 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 2: act a right, well you can't afford that, but we 173 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:42,760 Speaker 2: can do this. They just pushed on. They didn't They 174 00:08:42,760 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 2: didn't let the environment or the boundaries define what they 175 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: thought was possible in their mind. 176 00:08:49,720 --> 00:08:52,160 Speaker 1: So I think it was that yeah, I love that. 177 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,360 Speaker 1: I love hearing that your parents were saying yes and yeah. 178 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: It wasn't like no, but it was yes. 179 00:08:58,440 --> 00:09:01,120 Speaker 2: And someone was just like, yo, what like how are 180 00:09:01,120 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 2: we going to like how are we going to do this? 181 00:09:03,320 --> 00:09:06,400 Speaker 2: She would challenge me, always challenge me. And then I said, oh, yeah, 182 00:09:06,400 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: this is this is this. But I realized she was 183 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 2: just like going trying to test me if I really 184 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:15,400 Speaker 2: believed in it. And then again I probably needed that. 185 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 2: I did need that because I needed to know it 186 00:09:17,400 --> 00:09:19,280 Speaker 2: for my I was aware of it. So then I 187 00:09:19,320 --> 00:09:20,559 Speaker 2: was like, cool, this is what's going to happen. And 188 00:09:20,600 --> 00:09:22,760 Speaker 2: then she looked like, Okay, I believe you. Let's go 189 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:25,040 Speaker 2: like this is the way I know, this is the 190 00:09:25,040 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 2: way I know I can make it work. So I 191 00:09:26,760 --> 00:09:30,560 Speaker 2: think it was just like I just I just believed. 192 00:09:30,559 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 2: I don't know where it comes from. I think it's 193 00:09:31,960 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 2: just a gift in it. I just I just try 194 00:09:33,960 --> 00:09:35,679 Speaker 2: and honor it and try and do good with it. 195 00:09:35,760 --> 00:09:39,199 Speaker 2: I don't try and like I intellectualize it. 196 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I get that, man, I get that. That 197 00:09:41,640 --> 00:09:44,559 Speaker 1: makes sense. And obviously, like I heard, I was watching 198 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: your hot Ones, which I love, and on there you 199 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:49,439 Speaker 1: talked about her like you wrote your first piece when 200 00:09:49,440 --> 00:09:52,040 Speaker 1: you were nine years old, and I was thinking, it's 201 00:09:52,080 --> 00:09:54,640 Speaker 1: amazing now because with the work that you're doing now 202 00:09:54,679 --> 00:09:58,240 Speaker 1: with the kitchen and like production and writing, like you're 203 00:09:58,280 --> 00:10:01,440 Speaker 1: kind of almost doing this full circle. Is why was 204 00:10:01,760 --> 00:10:03,480 Speaker 1: writing where you started? Because I don't think a lot 205 00:10:03,520 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 1: of people know that, Like I didn't know that as well. 206 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,600 Speaker 1: Like I've discovered you as an actor and loved your work, 207 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,720 Speaker 1: but like, what was it about writing that drew drew 208 00:10:11,720 --> 00:10:13,400 Speaker 1: you to it nine years old? And tell us about 209 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:14,000 Speaker 1: that piece too? 210 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,959 Speaker 2: I know, I know, I know. I thought I was 211 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,120 Speaker 2: at school one time. It's before this play competition, which 212 00:10:20,160 --> 00:10:22,079 Speaker 2: is what I want at night. I was at school 213 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,200 Speaker 2: one time and the teacher told me to write something 214 00:10:24,520 --> 00:10:27,679 Speaker 2: and then in my heart and I can't do this. 215 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:30,040 Speaker 2: I know I could do this sick, and I wrote 216 00:10:30,120 --> 00:10:33,719 Speaker 2: something I thought it was amazing. Yeah, the teacher gave 217 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 2: me a rubbish grade and you're wrong. I think you're wrong, 218 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:39,840 Speaker 2: Like I really like this. And then like that that 219 00:10:39,880 --> 00:10:43,320 Speaker 2: competition was just basically like there was a playwriting course. 220 00:10:43,320 --> 00:10:46,960 Speaker 2: They come to your school in Camden. Roy Williams, who's 221 00:10:47,000 --> 00:10:49,280 Speaker 2: a really big play right now, was a teacher then 222 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:52,360 Speaker 2: and then like a teacher shamed me and was like, oh, 223 00:10:52,600 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 2: like like Daniel, you're messing about. I was. I was mischievous, 224 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: like you're messing about. I'm out like this. And then 225 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,280 Speaker 2: I was like right cool and I was like I'll 226 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 2: show you. I'll show you. Then I wrote his play 227 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 2: is based on Keenan and kel about these guys that 228 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 2: work in the shop and he just had a friendship. 229 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:11,679 Speaker 2: And then like I got to the next round, it 230 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 2: was a couple of us in the next round, and 231 00:11:13,880 --> 00:11:17,120 Speaker 2: then I was just right. And then those guys Jonathan 232 00:11:17,120 --> 00:11:20,960 Speaker 2: Sidel and Roy were like I knew at that time 233 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:23,000 Speaker 2: they knew and they I feel like they knew I 234 00:11:23,040 --> 00:11:24,880 Speaker 2: had something because I just felt the energy and them 235 00:11:24,880 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I just just what I think 236 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 2: because I I don't know, and then like then I 237 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:32,760 Speaker 2: want it. And then my whole school year came to 238 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,120 Speaker 2: hampster Fire. I'll watch it to my arsenal toop. I 239 00:11:35,200 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 2: got a picture that was flexing and then like and 240 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:40,000 Speaker 2: then yeah, I mean they told me like keep going, 241 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 2: keep going. I'm like, I'm going to play out. I'm 242 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,200 Speaker 2: not gonna write. And then I did a play for 243 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,240 Speaker 2: Roy Williams Sucker Punch of I twenty one, and remember 244 00:11:48,240 --> 00:11:50,720 Speaker 2: he told me after it, Yeah, he was like, yeah, 245 00:11:50,760 --> 00:11:52,440 Speaker 2: do you know that the teachers didn't want to pick you. 246 00:11:53,120 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 2: They were like, darn, he's too bad. He's too bad. 247 00:11:55,760 --> 00:11:57,880 Speaker 2: And then Roy was like I'm definitely going to pick him. 248 00:11:58,080 --> 00:11:59,480 Speaker 2: So it was just that was the kind of like 249 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:03,800 Speaker 2: I had up antagonistic energy in class, but I just 250 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:06,559 Speaker 2: I don't know. I just I knew how to I 251 00:12:06,640 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 2: knew dialogue, I knew how people spoke, but I fork 252 00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:10,760 Speaker 2: a lot of it's to do because I was like 253 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,480 Speaker 2: in my family, I didn't speak my language. So then 254 00:12:14,520 --> 00:12:17,839 Speaker 2: I was like sit at family events and then I'm 255 00:12:18,000 --> 00:12:21,480 Speaker 2: like watching you, I mean I can see that enhandsight, 256 00:12:22,400 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 2: like I would observe and I would like peace, and 257 00:12:24,880 --> 00:12:27,440 Speaker 2: I know how to pick tone and energy and I 258 00:12:27,440 --> 00:12:29,400 Speaker 2: feel it because I have to do you know what 259 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,679 Speaker 2: I'm saying. So I think that's where it came from. 260 00:12:31,679 --> 00:12:34,000 Speaker 2: And then I stopped and I picked it back up 261 00:12:34,040 --> 00:12:36,840 Speaker 2: at sixteen to get back in the game. But during 262 00:12:36,840 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 2: that time I got into acting and I got to 263 00:12:39,280 --> 00:12:42,360 Speaker 2: act to improv, which is actually writing on your feet. 264 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:46,080 Speaker 2: So then I was honing that skill set. So when 265 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:48,600 Speaker 2: I got back to playwriting again, it was easy. 266 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:51,600 Speaker 1: Tell us about some of the improv is. I feel 267 00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:53,440 Speaker 1: like that's such a fascinating skill. I love how you 268 00:12:53,440 --> 00:12:56,200 Speaker 1: said writing on your feet. That's a that's a cool 269 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 1: way of thinking about it. And I feel like improv 270 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,160 Speaker 1: almost demand so much from an artist in a way 271 00:13:01,200 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: that other work doesn't. How would you Is there is 272 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: there like a funny moment of improv that you did 273 00:13:06,480 --> 00:13:08,480 Speaker 1: with a group or something, a story that you went 274 00:13:08,480 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 1: through that you're like, I remember that, And that was 275 00:13:11,160 --> 00:13:12,560 Speaker 1: a moment where I was like, Oh, I can write 276 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:13,839 Speaker 1: on my feet. I can actually do this. 277 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,600 Speaker 2: I think I think I think he was messing about 278 00:13:15,640 --> 00:13:19,839 Speaker 2: in class and then evening it taught me and Marcus 279 00:13:20,920 --> 00:13:22,800 Speaker 2: they were just like you guys are messing about he's 280 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 2: in the community classes and share he's in the communic class. 281 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,280 Speaker 2: Then if you're good enough to get to the YPS 282 00:13:26,880 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 2: Young Professionals And then like he was just like, oh, 283 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:32,080 Speaker 2: like you guys don't get it. And then they went 284 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,760 Speaker 2: on stage and they just acted and I watched it 285 00:13:34,800 --> 00:13:37,920 Speaker 2: and I was like, copy, O, get I understand what 286 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 2: you're doing. I understand. And then after that point I 287 00:13:40,360 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: got it because I needed to see it go all right, cool, 288 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:45,520 Speaker 2: I'll get you, get you get you. What I love 289 00:13:45,559 --> 00:13:47,839 Speaker 2: about it is that you just let it go. You're 290 00:13:47,880 --> 00:13:50,840 Speaker 2: not holding on. I have moments that my friends remind 291 00:13:50,880 --> 00:13:52,520 Speaker 2: me if I see them. Yeah, remember and you brought 292 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:57,760 Speaker 2: out that I am I mean as a prop, but 293 00:13:58,200 --> 00:13:59,480 Speaker 2: I just had this rule is like once it in 294 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:02,000 Speaker 2: your head, yeah, so you just got And also is 295 00:14:02,080 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 2: like it's like what you said like improvis yes, and 296 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,839 Speaker 2: so you can't reject do you know what I'm saying. 297 00:14:06,880 --> 00:14:09,439 Speaker 2: So it's just like if someone says something crazy, you've 298 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 2: got to go with it, I mean and go yeah. 299 00:14:11,760 --> 00:14:13,640 Speaker 2: And then also if someone doesn't know how to do it, 300 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 2: I learned how to drive it to says if you 301 00:14:15,720 --> 00:14:17,160 Speaker 2: didn't know how to do it. I was like, why you're 302 00:14:17,160 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 2: not doing that? 303 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 1: And I have to respond because I'm agreeing with you 304 00:14:22,440 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: about what. I'm agreeing with you based on what you 305 00:14:24,600 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 1: said about what. 306 00:14:26,040 --> 00:14:28,920 Speaker 2: Exactly that I say that, and then yeah and then yeah, 307 00:14:28,920 --> 00:14:30,960 Speaker 2: and then you film and then like you clock how 308 00:14:31,040 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 2: to like. 309 00:14:32,880 --> 00:14:35,920 Speaker 1: And that's real dialogue too, rightly, because you're listening, you're 310 00:14:35,960 --> 00:14:36,960 Speaker 1: interrupting and listening. 311 00:14:37,560 --> 00:14:40,840 Speaker 2: But then by doing that, you're playing a character doesn't 312 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,320 Speaker 2: listen or listens too closely that they don't they're hearing 313 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 2: and not listening. They're trying to find And then so 314 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,760 Speaker 2: you're building that character through those interactions, and then you're 315 00:14:50,760 --> 00:14:53,760 Speaker 2: honing it through the interactions and then you land cool 316 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:59,320 Speaker 2: bang exactly. So that's how I kind of learned how 317 00:14:59,360 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 2: to do it. More, it's more that, yeah, don't it's 318 00:15:02,400 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 2: hard to like scribe. 319 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know why I'm going down this road, 320 00:15:06,000 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: but you mentioned it and I'm listening. So I was like, 321 00:15:08,760 --> 00:15:12,040 Speaker 1: you said, you're an Arsenal fan. I'm a United fan. 322 00:15:14,360 --> 00:15:16,920 Speaker 1: You've been an Arsenal fan forever. What's your what's been 323 00:15:16,960 --> 00:15:20,120 Speaker 1: your favorite team at Arsenal over the years. 324 00:15:20,400 --> 00:15:26,000 Speaker 2: I'd have to say, like, my favorite was Adam's right 325 00:15:26,240 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 2: yea over Mars Winter, but that was crazy eight like 326 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:36,640 Speaker 2: come on man particular, that was like that was like 327 00:15:36,680 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 2: but that's when I fell in love, saying I was 328 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:43,240 Speaker 2: like these oh my guys, Like everyone was just everyone 329 00:15:43,280 --> 00:15:46,240 Speaker 2: was just firing. So I just I just I don't know. 330 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 2: And also it's my local team minutes. So then it 331 00:15:48,080 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 2: was just like says, if we want to cut, the 332 00:15:50,960 --> 00:15:53,280 Speaker 2: area was happy. Yeah, I mean, it's not like that's 333 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 2: what it came from. It's like so it was a 334 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 2: time we didn't win a cut for nine years, and 335 00:15:56,440 --> 00:15:58,280 Speaker 2: then we did f a Cup and I watched that 336 00:15:58,360 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: Holloway and all that kind of stuff, and the next 337 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,480 Speaker 2: day it was like it was Arsenal fans outside the windows, 338 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,840 Speaker 2: people like you know in they're dusty vans the right 339 00:16:05,920 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: and stuff in the dusty vans. It was just everyone 340 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 2: was happy, even if you weren't asking for you were 341 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,400 Speaker 2: just the area was happy. So it was that was 342 00:16:13,440 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: that it was a close connection. And then I don't know, 343 00:16:15,920 --> 00:16:17,280 Speaker 2: it was cool the fact that I could go to 344 00:16:17,360 --> 00:16:19,240 Speaker 2: games like obviously the cardon Cut games because all the 345 00:16:19,280 --> 00:16:21,040 Speaker 2: other games were hard to get. I went to marke 346 00:16:21,080 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: Key on testimony actually, but like it was like it 347 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,440 Speaker 2: was like I don't know, you just felt like a community. 348 00:16:27,880 --> 00:16:30,360 Speaker 2: Like when the when they scored high Bred, the upper 349 00:16:30,480 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 2: the upper table just rock. You think it would break, 350 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: it's a bit of danger. It was just it was 351 00:16:35,800 --> 00:16:37,960 Speaker 2: just like and then my mom's friend used to give 352 00:16:38,000 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 2: me tickets when she went away. So then I watched 353 00:16:40,760 --> 00:16:44,520 Speaker 2: like wicked games or rubbish games. But I was part 354 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 2: of it from like young. I mean you could get 355 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,960 Speaker 2: a ticket even if you couldn't afford it, So I 356 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:51,520 Speaker 2: just fell in love with it during that age. 357 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you had a lot of happy days, but 358 00:16:53,120 --> 00:16:54,720 Speaker 1: I think you had a lot of unhappy days as well. 359 00:16:54,840 --> 00:16:56,760 Speaker 2: Stress. I don't want to put people out there there 360 00:16:56,800 --> 00:16:59,480 Speaker 2: it's a public forum. But it was stressed. It was stressed. 361 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 2: But like I can I'm very, I'm very I see 362 00:17:04,119 --> 00:17:06,240 Speaker 2: like I'm a very child Ofvenger, Like I can see, 363 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,840 Speaker 2: I'm very stubborn, like very like a lot of how 364 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:12,479 Speaker 2: Arsenal is in me. I feel like it's not it's 365 00:17:12,520 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 2: bigger than just football. Like they have a philosophy. I 366 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:17,240 Speaker 2: mean they have a style. That era had a style. 367 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 2: They had a style, and I just respected it. What 368 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:22,679 Speaker 2: I'm saying I just and I think it's going to 369 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,080 Speaker 2: a school in Island and the islet and team is 370 00:17:26,119 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 2: the one, and then you're like literally looking at the 371 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,240 Speaker 2: sun in the paper the next day in school and 372 00:17:31,240 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 2: then it's the Invincibles and they're talking about your local team. 373 00:17:35,600 --> 00:17:40,080 Speaker 2: I think it makes you think that, yeah, we're the guys. 374 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,440 Speaker 2: That's such a formative age. I mean, so I think 375 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 2: it's a bit of that. 376 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,600 Speaker 1: Well, that's where I struggled because so I always say 377 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:50,280 Speaker 1: this that every Indian person that moved to England in 378 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:53,840 Speaker 1: like the seventies and eighties, I my dad, they only 379 00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: support Manchester United or Liverpool because those are the big 380 00:17:57,119 --> 00:17:59,240 Speaker 1: clubs at the time. Those are the clubs winning and everything, 381 00:17:59,280 --> 00:18:01,320 Speaker 1: and so I support you because of that. I never 382 00:18:01,359 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: lived in Manchester and so I never had a happy 383 00:18:03,800 --> 00:18:05,919 Speaker 1: day in the town because I still almost have to 384 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 1: like shy away from saying I was a United fan 385 00:18:08,280 --> 00:18:12,119 Speaker 1: because I lived right in between Highbury and Spurs. So 386 00:18:12,119 --> 00:18:14,320 Speaker 1: that's why I grew up in Green like right in between, 387 00:18:14,560 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: and so I never got to go out and celebrate 388 00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: in the town because I didn't live in Manchester and 389 00:18:18,840 --> 00:18:21,000 Speaker 1: so I always like grew up in fear of like 390 00:18:21,160 --> 00:18:23,160 Speaker 1: I can't tell anyone what I follow and like what 391 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:23,520 Speaker 1: I do. 392 00:18:23,600 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 2: And why isn't there a lot of Indian players in 393 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 2: football always? 394 00:18:26,680 --> 00:18:28,960 Speaker 1: That's a that's a great question, you know, And I 395 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,280 Speaker 1: think it's because a lot of parents, don't. You know, 396 00:18:32,280 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: if if an Indian kid told their parents they wanted 397 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: to be a football player, I mean I just got 398 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:38,520 Speaker 1: to look at these two and go, what do you think? 399 00:18:38,560 --> 00:18:39,879 Speaker 1: What do you think the parents would have said? What 400 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:42,719 Speaker 1: do you think the parents would have said? Yeah, definitely not, 401 00:18:42,800 --> 00:18:44,520 Speaker 1: no matter how good they were. I was telling Russe 402 00:18:44,520 --> 00:18:46,760 Speaker 1: to be one of our mates. I'm calling him out here. 403 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:50,320 Speaker 1: His kids like supposedly quite decent at football, like, and 404 00:18:50,800 --> 00:18:52,360 Speaker 1: I told him yesterday, I was like, manye, you gotta 405 00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:55,160 Speaker 1: let this kid chase football, like chase the dream. And 406 00:18:55,320 --> 00:18:57,920 Speaker 1: I don't know if as a culture, I think our 407 00:18:57,960 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: parents work so hard and they wanted to have safety 408 00:19:01,200 --> 00:19:03,119 Speaker 1: and so they didn't want the kids to do anything 409 00:19:03,160 --> 00:19:05,840 Speaker 1: that felt unsafe. So acting would also be a no go. 410 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:08,680 Speaker 1: You don't see that many South Asian people in acting. 411 00:19:08,720 --> 00:19:10,920 Speaker 1: I mean it's growing now for sure, especially the London scene, 412 00:19:10,920 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: but acting media anything that was uncertain or unsafe Indian 413 00:19:16,000 --> 00:19:18,560 Speaker 1: parents generally were like, no, they didn't want us to 414 00:19:18,560 --> 00:19:20,000 Speaker 1: be a part of it because they just wanted us 415 00:19:20,119 --> 00:19:22,239 Speaker 1: to not have the struggle they did, and so they 416 00:19:22,280 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 1: wanted us to feel safety security. And so if you 417 00:19:24,840 --> 00:19:26,679 Speaker 1: can get a good job, right, that makes sense. If 418 00:19:26,680 --> 00:19:28,560 Speaker 1: you could get a good job that paid the bills, 419 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 1: took care of you, they were happy, wanted to be safe. 420 00:19:31,280 --> 00:19:37,360 Speaker 2: As intelle. I'm interested in how cultural values dictate where 421 00:19:37,440 --> 00:19:40,120 Speaker 2: the paths are because the demographics they should be lovet 422 00:19:40,920 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: the like if you look at it as demographically what 423 00:19:42,920 --> 00:19:43,440 Speaker 2: I'm saying. 424 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, everyone plays at school and then it gets called off. 425 00:19:45,560 --> 00:19:48,840 Speaker 1: Like I remember with my parents too. It's like they 426 00:19:48,920 --> 00:19:50,439 Speaker 1: want you to play, they want you to be sporty, 427 00:19:50,480 --> 00:19:52,080 Speaker 1: but they don't want you to take it that seriously. 428 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:54,439 Speaker 1: I had friends at my school that are amazing at cricket, 429 00:19:54,760 --> 00:19:57,800 Speaker 1: like incredible cricket players that were playing for England under 430 00:19:57,840 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 1: twenty ones, England under eighteens and then went off to 431 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:03,480 Speaker 1: be accountants because their parents wouldn't let them, you know, 432 00:20:03,560 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 1: follow the dream. And so it's really interesting seeing who 433 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:09,359 Speaker 1: pushes back through that as well, Like some people just 434 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 1: go no, I'm going to try anyway, and some people 435 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: fold and let it go. But I'm hoping. I'm hoping 436 00:20:13,920 --> 00:20:16,520 Speaker 1: it changes. I'm hoping it changes great too. Yeah, what 437 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 1: were some cultural things that you think held you back? 438 00:20:18,680 --> 00:20:20,760 Speaker 1: I mean, you've you've talked a bit about the racism 439 00:20:20,800 --> 00:20:23,239 Speaker 1: you experienced. You know, for me, when I when I 440 00:20:23,280 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 1: was hearing about that, I thought, that doesn't sound easy 441 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:28,800 Speaker 1: when you add it to the other bullying and shaming 442 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: you were talking about earlier. Like, what was it like 443 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: navigating that? Well you talked about From what I've heard, 444 00:20:36,800 --> 00:20:39,160 Speaker 1: what you've talked about is like it took your long 445 00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: time to realize that you felt darker than the people 446 00:20:42,680 --> 00:20:45,200 Speaker 1: that you were around, and so there was this whole 447 00:20:45,280 --> 00:20:47,600 Speaker 1: and you felt that they made you feel bad for that. 448 00:20:47,960 --> 00:20:50,639 Speaker 2: When I got into secondary and that was more predominantly 449 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 2: black school, it's when I realized that I was darker 450 00:20:54,119 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 2: than the average black person that I grew up around 451 00:20:56,840 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: or I wasn't around, and then they would tell me 452 00:21:00,080 --> 00:21:02,000 Speaker 2: it was a kind of culture shock. But then I 453 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:03,920 Speaker 2: was darker than a lot of people in my family, 454 00:21:04,760 --> 00:21:06,520 Speaker 2: So then it was even that made me feel a 455 00:21:06,520 --> 00:21:09,640 Speaker 2: bit different, and so then I was just like, oh, yeah, 456 00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,760 Speaker 2: I don't really know what's going on? And then but 457 00:21:12,800 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 2: then obviously like at that age, you got through racism, 458 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,680 Speaker 2: but you're in a predominantly black space, You're not. You 459 00:21:19,760 --> 00:21:22,959 Speaker 2: go through colorism and then like you go out of it, 460 00:21:23,000 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 2: and then I mean like got good grades and start 461 00:21:26,240 --> 00:21:28,920 Speaker 2: going to a different school, like more middle class, uberlass school. 462 00:21:28,960 --> 00:21:32,320 Speaker 2: Then you deal with you see racism, but you see 463 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,119 Speaker 2: people do things. You're like, what's that? That's weird? That? 464 00:21:35,440 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: What's weird? You haven't really felt like you're you've got 465 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,160 Speaker 2: the right to go, oh, that's that what I'm saying, 466 00:21:40,640 --> 00:21:42,240 Speaker 2: You ain't got no one to talk to that understands 467 00:21:42,240 --> 00:21:45,560 Speaker 2: what's happening. Then it just started getting a bit more. 468 00:21:45,600 --> 00:21:49,200 Speaker 2: The more the more like kind of more into the workforce, 469 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 2: the more that you would face it, and the more 470 00:21:51,840 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: sleep people are to it and you go call it out. 471 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 2: What I used to say is that like because one 472 00:21:57,359 --> 00:21:59,280 Speaker 2: time I was not getting rolls because of acting and 473 00:21:59,320 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 2: that because and then I was like, oh yeah, I 474 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:03,200 Speaker 2: was making all these excuses. And then my agent at 475 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: the time, it was Irish, and he was like, yeah, well, Daniels, 476 00:22:06,359 --> 00:22:09,080 Speaker 2: because you're black. I said, what you means, it's because 477 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 2: you're black? He said, it doesn't have it to anyone else. 478 00:22:11,600 --> 00:22:15,199 Speaker 2: You should it doesn't matter you black. And I was 479 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:18,440 Speaker 2: like allowed to kind of like accept it, and then 480 00:22:18,440 --> 00:22:21,360 Speaker 2: I would tell people it was racism and they kind 481 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,199 Speaker 2: of wouldn't believe me. Then when I said, oh, my 482 00:22:25,240 --> 00:22:27,560 Speaker 2: Irish agents said it, they're like, oh, is it? So 483 00:22:27,600 --> 00:22:33,520 Speaker 2: I realized. And when you're black, you feel you don't 484 00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:38,160 Speaker 2: have the disease, but you feel the symptoms, but you're 485 00:22:38,200 --> 00:22:42,000 Speaker 2: not allowed to diagnose it. It has to be someone 486 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:45,760 Speaker 2: outside of yourself that says that's what's happening, and that 487 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:48,159 Speaker 2: means it's more valid. Do you know what I'm saying? 488 00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,560 Speaker 2: Usually the people that has come from because you're seen 489 00:22:51,600 --> 00:22:54,080 Speaker 2: as too biased because you have the symptoms. So that's 490 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,240 Speaker 2: what I realized about it. Like you just gound for it. 491 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:58,880 Speaker 2: You're like, oh, roll, that's kind of nuts. I can't 492 00:22:58,920 --> 00:23:01,280 Speaker 2: really even say it. And that's what a sub conscious guy. Yeah, 493 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:05,280 Speaker 2: if I say it, he's got a chip on shore. 494 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:06,720 Speaker 2: That's what is. You got a chip on your shoulder, 495 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: you know, chips on my shoulder? Bro, Like, I mean, 496 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,720 Speaker 2: it's nuts, Like it's not what you're saying. It's like 497 00:23:11,720 --> 00:23:14,680 Speaker 2: it's common. And people are like and so I think 498 00:23:14,720 --> 00:23:18,119 Speaker 2: that's where it is. You're like just navigating all of 499 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,000 Speaker 2: those things. Like, so it took me a long It 500 00:23:21,040 --> 00:23:24,120 Speaker 2: took me a long time to figure it out. Figure out. 501 00:23:24,320 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I feel like that's something that you don't ever 502 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:29,560 Speaker 1: figure out because it's like I love how you describe that. 503 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:31,720 Speaker 1: Never heard it described like that, but the idea of 504 00:23:31,760 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 1: how because you have the symptoms, you can't be the 505 00:23:35,400 --> 00:23:36,960 Speaker 1: one to diagnose it, but you can't be the one 506 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:40,359 Speaker 1: to express it, which feels so difficult because it's almost 507 00:23:40,440 --> 00:23:42,960 Speaker 1: like this is my reality, but you need someone else 508 00:23:43,000 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: to validate your reality. And that is a that is 509 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,359 Speaker 1: a really interesting prison to live in. 510 00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: Cool like what do you what do you love in life? 511 00:23:52,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 2: What do I love away from? Like the family? You 512 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:58,160 Speaker 2: love football? Imagine my comment with J why do people 513 00:23:58,200 --> 00:23:58,960 Speaker 2: don't like football? 514 00:23:59,560 --> 00:24:00,879 Speaker 1: Ye be like yeah, I don't know. 515 00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 2: So when people go why people don't like black people? 516 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:06,560 Speaker 1: I know, yeah you don't know. 517 00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So then that's what I'm saying. It's like there's 518 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 2: something it's gas lighting, yeah, because it's like I don't 519 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,000 Speaker 2: how am I supposed to? But then when I initiate 520 00:24:17,000 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 2: it and say this is happening, I'm not believed. But 521 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: then I'm supposed to report about it when it's happening 522 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:26,600 Speaker 2: to me from there to justify what they're doing. It's 523 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 2: a whole like it doesn't really make sense what's happening. 524 00:24:29,000 --> 00:24:30,840 Speaker 2: If I go, this is happening, No, that's not true, 525 00:24:30,840 --> 00:24:34,560 Speaker 2: and then they'll have a whole lawyer or someone like 526 00:24:34,600 --> 00:24:37,879 Speaker 2: a professor dossier. And then now if he says it 527 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:41,920 Speaker 2: because he wrote eighty pages of waffle, they believe him. 528 00:24:41,960 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 2: But I told you, you're just saying that his worth, 529 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:48,720 Speaker 2: his word is worth more than man, and in that 530 00:24:48,760 --> 00:24:53,760 Speaker 2: it's racism. I'll say this, it's not worth It's just 531 00:24:53,800 --> 00:24:56,480 Speaker 2: not worth anything to you. And I had to really 532 00:24:56,560 --> 00:25:00,080 Speaker 2: learn that my word is worth something to me to 533 00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:02,480 Speaker 2: me and so then like I just I just moved 534 00:25:02,560 --> 00:25:04,520 Speaker 2: like that. So I just don't really like kind of 535 00:25:04,560 --> 00:25:06,800 Speaker 2: engage with the narratives because it's just people just making 536 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:10,280 Speaker 2: up things that protect what they like about it. Because 537 00:25:10,320 --> 00:25:12,879 Speaker 2: you only things are kept because they like something about it, 538 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:15,040 Speaker 2: because they didn't know get rid of it. They will 539 00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:17,680 Speaker 2: change the culture. You've seen how they change other things. Yeah, 540 00:25:17,960 --> 00:25:21,200 Speaker 2: you change the culture. There's something that protects I feel. 541 00:25:21,800 --> 00:25:23,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I find when I'm talking to you. I find 542 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:27,280 Speaker 1: that you've kind of really worked on like making peace 543 00:25:27,320 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: with how you feel about yourself and how you feel 544 00:25:30,920 --> 00:25:33,320 Speaker 1: about your views and how you feel about your art. 545 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: Like there seems to be this autonomy and independence in 546 00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,560 Speaker 1: saying as you were saying earlier, even when you were 547 00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,280 Speaker 1: given a bad grade, you were like, Nana, but I 548 00:25:43,320 --> 00:25:46,080 Speaker 1: know this is good. And even what you were saying 549 00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:48,280 Speaker 1: before where you were like it gave you space to 550 00:25:48,320 --> 00:25:50,600 Speaker 1: fail in private because you were like, no, no, I 551 00:25:50,680 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: know that I'm working on myself. So it feels like 552 00:25:52,880 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: you've really worked on having this internal piece. How hard 553 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,800 Speaker 1: is that? As your career kind of does the opposite, right, 554 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 1: So it's like you're getting more and more focused on 555 00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:06,120 Speaker 1: giving yourself piece, which is an amazing skill. Like I'm 556 00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:08,359 Speaker 1: loving to see it on display and I know everyone's 557 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:10,640 Speaker 1: going to appreciate seeing it. And at the same time, 558 00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,560 Speaker 1: it's like you're you're doing bigger and bigger things, so 559 00:26:13,600 --> 00:26:17,520 Speaker 1: you're more and more exposed to other people's opinions. How 560 00:26:17,520 --> 00:26:20,359 Speaker 1: have you managed to or how are you managing to 561 00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:22,959 Speaker 1: continue to kind of hold on to that core of 562 00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:24,640 Speaker 1: that nine year old and that fifteen year old. 563 00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:27,119 Speaker 2: I mean, like I think I always just have it 564 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 2: like it's just mine. Yeah, so it's not something, but 565 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,359 Speaker 2: I think it's like what happens is is how I 566 00:26:33,359 --> 00:26:36,520 Speaker 2: I've done things that causes a ruckers or chaos in 567 00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:39,720 Speaker 2: my sphere, and so like you just got to accept 568 00:26:39,720 --> 00:26:43,160 Speaker 2: that you're bit chaotic. I mean it's I mean, it's 569 00:26:43,200 --> 00:26:46,560 Speaker 2: like there's something that doesn't mean that's you, but there's 570 00:26:46,560 --> 00:26:48,160 Speaker 2: something there that you have to look at. If it's 571 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:52,359 Speaker 2: nuts like that, you have to look cool, like where 572 00:26:52,440 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 2: is that? What's that? And then you get closer to 573 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,800 Speaker 2: being cool with it or then it will quiet down. 574 00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: But there's something that I'm not looking at if it 575 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,119 Speaker 2: was a bit mad or you care too much what 576 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,359 Speaker 2: people think. So I'm saying is like you have to 577 00:27:04,400 --> 00:27:07,000 Speaker 2: accept that. Just go cool? What why is that? What's 578 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 2: happening there? I feel like, But yeah, no, it's it's 579 00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,719 Speaker 2: been last few year's been it's been wild, but like 580 00:27:13,760 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 2: it's been like I've done it in a very quiet way. 581 00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,040 Speaker 2: It's been it's been wild in a sense like what 582 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 2: happens and and stuff like that, But that's what happens. 583 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 2: That the narratives that I've been a part of a 584 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:27,720 Speaker 2: powerful and like the decisions are made to like stand 585 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:30,199 Speaker 2: on things that I believe in or even basically like 586 00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:32,679 Speaker 2: a lot of the I know what I like, and 587 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,119 Speaker 2: I like what I like. If people don't like it, 588 00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 2: I'm like I would want to if I care, I 589 00:27:37,800 --> 00:27:39,679 Speaker 2: want to know why you don't like it. But I 590 00:27:39,760 --> 00:27:42,600 Speaker 2: like what I like, and I stand on decisions I make, 591 00:27:42,760 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 2: and I think they're not spreads. I don't know. Maybe 592 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:50,240 Speaker 2: it's that's a bit different to how people handle their 593 00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,639 Speaker 2: careers in this day and age. So I don't know, 594 00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,800 Speaker 2: But that's just me guessing. I don't have a big 595 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 2: landscape and whatever decision people are making. 596 00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,560 Speaker 1: Of course, Yeah, what is it you feel like to 597 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: see some of those like nine year old fifteen year 598 00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:05,359 Speaker 1: old dreams come true? Like what does that feel like 599 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:08,600 Speaker 1: in reality? Like what does that actually look like? 600 00:28:08,840 --> 00:28:16,520 Speaker 2: Can't normal? I knew it? I know it. Like if 601 00:28:16,560 --> 00:28:18,200 Speaker 2: I minute I get the idea, I'm like, right cool 602 00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:22,880 Speaker 2: there bo. That's when I get excited on and it's 603 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: worked to it. So when you're working to it, when 604 00:28:25,800 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 2: you get there, it costs so much. You know, it 605 00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:32,439 Speaker 2: costs so much. If you want something that like you 606 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:35,879 Speaker 2: really want, the price is so high that you're just 607 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,239 Speaker 2: a bit like cool. You're not seeing it as for 608 00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:41,560 Speaker 2: the gine that you saw in the perspective at fifteen 609 00:28:41,600 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 2: at nine, you're seeing it all right. That cost me this, 610 00:28:44,400 --> 00:28:46,280 Speaker 2: that cost me that I had to wake up for. 611 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:48,160 Speaker 2: I had to do this that there, I had to 612 00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:50,040 Speaker 2: grind it, I had to do this night, I had 613 00:28:50,080 --> 00:28:53,320 Speaker 2: to do this. You're seeing the cost it takes. You're 614 00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 2: feeling the cost it takes. So when you land and 615 00:28:55,320 --> 00:28:59,840 Speaker 2: arrive cool, there was turbulence. You got here, I did 616 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,520 Speaker 2: you just did? You know what I'm saying. And then 617 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,600 Speaker 2: but the excitement comes from like feeling like you can 618 00:29:05,680 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: do it before you see all of it that makes sense, 619 00:29:08,880 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 2: like the full kind of picture because you're only seeing 620 00:29:11,280 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 2: the good, that's why you go there. But then like 621 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,800 Speaker 2: everything's balanced, that's all it is. It's not like it's bad, 622 00:29:16,880 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 2: it's just like it's everything. 623 00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I love I love that statement you just said, 624 00:29:21,360 --> 00:29:24,120 Speaker 1: Like you only see the good, that's why you go there. 625 00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: And then when you go there, you see all of it, 626 00:29:26,640 --> 00:29:28,720 Speaker 1: but you realize that all of it was part of 627 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: getting you there. It was never possible to get there 628 00:29:31,840 --> 00:29:33,520 Speaker 1: without everything else, Like it was never and. 629 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 2: Part of it you only seeing the good because like 630 00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,160 Speaker 2: entire issues like what people say about sex, like how 631 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,360 Speaker 2: sex is like away for your genes to keep going, 632 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 2: Like it's it's like a creative body has created this 633 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:46,040 Speaker 2: organism to keep going, so then you have this pleasure 634 00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 2: out of it. So it's like like it's kind of like, 635 00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:51,959 Speaker 2: oh you got yeah, and then when you go in there, 636 00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:56,360 Speaker 2: I'm not saying sex is bad, like you go, you 637 00:29:56,400 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 2: go to full of it, you go to see fullness 638 00:29:58,120 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 2: of it. I I find it when you go on 639 00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:04,280 Speaker 2: those journeys. Yeah, there's something about the badness in it 640 00:30:04,320 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 2: that you have to face in yourself. And it's whether 641 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,959 Speaker 2: you take the lesson. And if you don't take that lesson, 642 00:30:09,680 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 2: you will meet it again. You will meet it again 643 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:13,840 Speaker 2: until it lets you go. And then me and you 644 00:30:13,880 --> 00:30:18,000 Speaker 2: meet and accept it. Sometimes you realize what I've realized that, like, 645 00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 2: oh I don't even want that good now. Part of 646 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 2: it was me figuring out something in me that I 647 00:30:23,600 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: didn't really know that I wanted to figure out, you 648 00:30:25,800 --> 00:30:28,160 Speaker 2: know what I'm saying, But that was probably the majority 649 00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 2: of it. You know what I'm saying. And the sex 650 00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:34,080 Speaker 2: impostals you go there, I'm saying is like do that. 651 00:30:34,200 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: When did you get you said, when you haven't, I'm 652 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:38,480 Speaker 1: gonna do a little bad impersonation. But you're like when 653 00:30:38,520 --> 00:30:40,920 Speaker 1: you get the idea, it's like boom, So where's the 654 00:30:41,960 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: where's where's the When did you get the idea for 655 00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:49,640 Speaker 1: the kitchen? And like, because I know that projects taking 656 00:30:49,680 --> 00:30:52,400 Speaker 1: a long time to come to life, right, eight years 657 00:30:52,480 --> 00:30:55,360 Speaker 1: or something, seven ten, ten. 658 00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:57,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've got the idea of the barbershop in Holloway. 659 00:30:58,520 --> 00:31:00,280 Speaker 2: I was sitting in the barber shop and then like 660 00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:05,280 Speaker 2: these guys were talking about taking stuff like these highest 661 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:06,800 Speaker 2: a million pound highest and this is down the other 662 00:31:06,880 --> 00:31:07,960 Speaker 2: and they were talking but. 663 00:31:07,920 --> 00:31:09,080 Speaker 1: They were doing actually doing this. 664 00:31:09,160 --> 00:31:10,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, they were just chatting. I'm like, these guys are 665 00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:13,240 Speaker 2: talking and then like this and there was something was 666 00:31:13,280 --> 00:31:15,080 Speaker 2: on TV and I was like, yeah, that's the that's 667 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,960 Speaker 2: that's that's that dude. And then I was like, wow, 668 00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:18,960 Speaker 2: that's And then in that moment, I was like I'd 669 00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:22,120 Speaker 2: love to see that film of people like going into 670 00:31:22,160 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 2: like diamond shorts stores and like robbing stuff. I was like, 671 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:26,880 Speaker 2: I'd love to see that just in the barber chilling 672 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:30,280 Speaker 2: because like my barber just kept on putting appointments before me, 673 00:31:30,320 --> 00:31:31,840 Speaker 2: even though I made an appointment, so I'll be sitting 674 00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:33,680 Speaker 2: in the whole half the day and then like so 675 00:31:33,760 --> 00:31:35,360 Speaker 2: then I was like, oh, I'd love to see that. 676 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:39,800 Speaker 2: And then like and then I never saw him again ever, 677 00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 2: and I was like, what happened too? And He's like yeah, 678 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,520 Speaker 2: and then like I was like I couldn't shake it. 679 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:50,440 Speaker 2: I was like it was thrilling, but there was a cost. 680 00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 2: And I was seeing like twenty two in a barber 681 00:31:53,880 --> 00:31:57,520 Speaker 2: shop chill. I was like signing about that. Then I 682 00:31:57,520 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 2: did a bit more research and I realized that like, oh, 683 00:32:01,200 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 2: they're getting paid, like the stealing millions of pounds worth 684 00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,920 Speaker 2: of diamonds, but they're getting paid two hundred pounds. I 685 00:32:08,960 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: was like signing that. That says where we're at in 686 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:17,800 Speaker 2: this world and what's going on in London where they 687 00:32:17,840 --> 00:32:19,560 Speaker 2: don't even know the value of what they're robbing, they 688 00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,240 Speaker 2: think it's worth two hundred and then willing to risk 689 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:24,800 Speaker 2: their life and then freedom for it. Oh No, what's 690 00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:27,480 Speaker 2: what's going on there? I just kept digging, so I 691 00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,200 Speaker 2: just would go down there and then I'm like where 692 00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,480 Speaker 2: I grew up, Like how we grew up? Like obviously 693 00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:34,080 Speaker 2: you do like the professional jobs like you do like 694 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 2: Harry and Pool and the psychovills and then that. But 695 00:32:37,240 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: then I would have like a whole other career where 696 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:41,440 Speaker 2: we just make YouTube videos and we just competing with 697 00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: people and just make stuff. So then there was a 698 00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,000 Speaker 2: time when, like, because I wrote on skins and stuff, 699 00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 2: and there was a time and like Ion wanted to 700 00:32:47,360 --> 00:32:49,360 Speaker 2: do meetings and talk about what my ideas were, and 701 00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:51,520 Speaker 2: I was like, I'm tired of these coffees man like. 702 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 2: And so I was like, and I've got the team together, 703 00:32:56,760 --> 00:33:00,640 Speaker 2: a direct producer and that that was building with and 704 00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 2: then like and then I was like, oh, let's just 705 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: make it. So I asked my barber. He's in the film. 706 00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,160 Speaker 2: Actually I loved that he's in the film. 707 00:33:10,200 --> 00:33:11,680 Speaker 1: And then I asked him, is he a barber in 708 00:33:11,680 --> 00:33:12,200 Speaker 1: the film? 709 00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:15,600 Speaker 2: He's one of the he's one of the residents. He's 710 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 2: one of the main residents. But this is why, this 711 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,320 Speaker 2: is why. So I went to the barber. He closed 712 00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,040 Speaker 2: on Wednesdays. So I was like, hey, bro, like, I 713 00:33:23,080 --> 00:33:25,040 Speaker 2: beg you, let's use your shot because I want Basically 714 00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 2: it started as reservoir dogs in the barber shop, all right. 715 00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:29,840 Speaker 2: So then I was like, like, come use your shot 716 00:33:29,880 --> 00:33:31,760 Speaker 2: to shoot. He said, yeah, of course course, cose course. 717 00:33:32,240 --> 00:33:34,000 Speaker 2: Then I like paying people. He said I have a 718 00:33:34,000 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 2: three I was like nah, man, like please. And then 719 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 2: he was like you didn't have a budget. I think 720 00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:40,000 Speaker 2: me like two hundred pound each and we just shot something. 721 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 2: I got any actors and it then your crew and 722 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,640 Speaker 2: then like and he was like, don't cut me out 723 00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 2: of this, don't cut me out of this. I was like, oh, 724 00:33:47,920 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 2: I forgot You's like when it blows, keep I need 725 00:33:51,520 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 2: to stay involved. Said I got you. I got you. 726 00:33:53,800 --> 00:33:56,480 Speaker 2: So that's how it kind of started, and then it evolved. 727 00:33:57,320 --> 00:33:59,000 Speaker 2: It kept on evolving from them. 728 00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 1: Wow, I love that. I love hearing how like ideas 729 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 1: come about. And I appreciate that you have that memory. 730 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: Did you actually sit down with people who'd done those heists? 731 00:34:06,480 --> 00:34:08,120 Speaker 1: Did you meet some people who had actually gone through 732 00:34:08,120 --> 00:34:08,279 Speaker 1: with it? 733 00:34:08,360 --> 00:34:09,880 Speaker 2: Met the guys, I met the girl, I met a 734 00:34:09,880 --> 00:34:12,000 Speaker 2: couple of guys that did stuff like that, and it 735 00:34:12,080 --> 00:34:14,200 Speaker 2: was just like I think I went there and it 736 00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:17,520 Speaker 2: was like, pretty it's pretty simple. Actually, it's like for me, 737 00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,520 Speaker 2: it was about the mentality, which I knew, I understood, 738 00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:23,239 Speaker 2: but it was like kind of being around the people 739 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,080 Speaker 2: understanding just like hanging with them, hanging with them and 740 00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:30,080 Speaker 2: the people that in the news and next so I said, 741 00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,480 Speaker 2: I children them and they was like this is doAnd 742 00:34:32,520 --> 00:34:34,680 Speaker 2: the other. But they I think them kind of guys 743 00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:38,960 Speaker 2: like they we understand each other because I kind of 744 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:41,080 Speaker 2: go into the industry like listen, I'm just doing what 745 00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,239 Speaker 2: want like I'm just going to go in there. And 746 00:34:44,239 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: I think that's how that's the energy that they have. 747 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:48,920 Speaker 2: But yeah, now they were they're interesting people. 748 00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:50,919 Speaker 1: Well what did you learn about them? Do you feel 749 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,000 Speaker 1: they were just they're just trying to survive or they're 750 00:34:53,000 --> 00:34:55,879 Speaker 1: trying to or they sold the dream or what's kind 751 00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:58,359 Speaker 1: of motivating them to do that. 752 00:34:58,640 --> 00:35:00,879 Speaker 2: I don't know. I think they just they just do 753 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,240 Speaker 2: it because like it's just what it's part of the operation. 754 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,200 Speaker 2: Is what they do is what they know is their reality. 755 00:35:05,880 --> 00:35:08,640 Speaker 2: It's that's what they know. That's how they've chosen five. 756 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:10,959 Speaker 2: Whether they've been the older brother or been the only 757 00:35:11,000 --> 00:35:13,319 Speaker 2: boy in the family or whatever, the reason is that 758 00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:15,359 Speaker 2: they've gone down that path. They did it, and they 759 00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:18,160 Speaker 2: have a level of intelligence that means they've been able 760 00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 2: to organize an operation and like talk to people and 761 00:35:21,680 --> 00:35:24,839 Speaker 2: communicating this and that, and like I said, like they're right, 762 00:35:25,040 --> 00:35:28,759 Speaker 2: but that's they're just doing that in this realm saying 763 00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:32,919 Speaker 2: it's like I found, I found how they think more 764 00:35:32,960 --> 00:35:35,320 Speaker 2: interesting than what they do. And that's what I wanted 765 00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:39,600 Speaker 2: to exploring. This is like exposing the thought and the 766 00:35:39,600 --> 00:35:42,160 Speaker 2: principles behind how they live and what their values are 767 00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:47,560 Speaker 2: and why and how it's connected to and if they 768 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:49,759 Speaker 2: people are really true to it. So basically like someone 769 00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:52,680 Speaker 2: that Staples in the film, he doesn't do anything criminal 770 00:35:52,760 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 2: to per se, Yeah, but it's like he has the 771 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:59,359 Speaker 2: mentality and the values just saying is like he's just 772 00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:02,360 Speaker 2: got He thinks the enemy isn't the other postcode or 773 00:36:02,400 --> 00:36:06,040 Speaker 2: the other block. The enemy is a system and he 774 00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,960 Speaker 2: engages with them. How he how we would see a 775 00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:13,080 Speaker 2: kid like that engage with the other block yea in 776 00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:15,880 Speaker 2: the postcode? He goes is you look and he just 777 00:36:15,920 --> 00:36:20,440 Speaker 2: engages them that that that's a powerful energy, is a 778 00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,680 Speaker 2: powerful mentality, it's a leader. So I kind of was 779 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 2: just interested in that and how those people think and 780 00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:30,919 Speaker 2: how that can be. How can motor and a kind 781 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,399 Speaker 2: of like a cultural identity. And I felt that kind 782 00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:35,239 Speaker 2: of like London had the energy of like bro, we 783 00:36:35,320 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 2: do what we want, Like if you're really from there, 784 00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:39,480 Speaker 2: if you're really from there, and I feel you have 785 00:36:39,480 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 2: the energy, but you're just a monk and that I mean, 786 00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:46,000 Speaker 2: you're like it's then you're like, hey, it's me. You're 787 00:36:46,000 --> 00:36:47,600 Speaker 2: like you're doing it for good things. But it's like 788 00:36:47,600 --> 00:36:50,239 Speaker 2: I think London, it's I always felt London was a 789 00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:54,120 Speaker 2: special city, a very special city. But are sometimes our 790 00:36:54,200 --> 00:37:03,560 Speaker 2: humility and class ceiling, Yeah, stops us from like doing 791 00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:05,800 Speaker 2: what we want to do. Like people there's a glass 792 00:37:05,800 --> 00:37:08,839 Speaker 2: ceiling and I'm like, it's made of glass. You can 793 00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 2: break it, like it's made to get something. And I 794 00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:16,840 Speaker 2: feel like what I was around was basically what I 795 00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,480 Speaker 2: grew up around was that mentality we're going to make 796 00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,000 Speaker 2: it work, We're going to make it happen, and not 797 00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,040 Speaker 2: in an arrogant way. We just because we want it 798 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,120 Speaker 2: to happen. We just we mean it. It's sincerity, we 799 00:37:26,239 --> 00:37:28,719 Speaker 2: mean it. We just want it to happen, and like 800 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:31,440 Speaker 2: it's more than us. And I feel like London And 801 00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:33,719 Speaker 2: then I've researched about London, about the blitz and how 802 00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:38,480 Speaker 2: the mentality of like when London was bombed for the 803 00:37:38,520 --> 00:37:42,160 Speaker 2: first time, how like people were scared and then after 804 00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:44,600 Speaker 2: it they were like, oh we survived. And how it 805 00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,480 Speaker 2: built a resilience in the city, like a kind of 806 00:37:47,640 --> 00:37:50,840 Speaker 2: resilience that I feel like it's still here. But because 807 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,080 Speaker 2: of the class system and that keep calm, carry on mentality, 808 00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 2: we kind of squash it and like like are very 809 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 2: like regional with how with our dreams we think, oh yeah, 810 00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,879 Speaker 2: if we got this, then that's enough because said person 811 00:38:07,000 --> 00:38:09,640 Speaker 2: said that's all you can get? Who is this person? 812 00:38:10,280 --> 00:38:14,000 Speaker 2: That's how I feel. Who are you to limit me? 813 00:38:14,760 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 2: That doesn't make sense to me? 814 00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:18,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, do you think people are scared to dream? Or 815 00:38:18,840 --> 00:38:22,040 Speaker 1: is it scared or they're accepting a limit or what? What? 816 00:38:22,080 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 1: How would you want to. 817 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,200 Speaker 2: One of the big moments I had one of the 818 00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:27,000 Speaker 2: big breakthroughs I feel when the script was like randomly 819 00:38:27,080 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 2: like so like I think Black Mirror was like twenty 820 00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,520 Speaker 2: two four years later, like Blue in America. 821 00:38:32,600 --> 00:38:35,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's not America. 822 00:38:35,480 --> 00:38:38,520 Speaker 2: Netflix exit with a thing, So I did that. I 823 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,239 Speaker 2: did this TV show and then and then I did 824 00:38:41,239 --> 00:38:42,840 Speaker 2: a thing that it crossed over in America, so I 825 00:38:42,880 --> 00:38:46,839 Speaker 2: was in New York and then like it was years 826 00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,360 Speaker 2: after I did it. It was main of a packet. 827 00:38:49,400 --> 00:38:52,160 Speaker 2: I fight right then, So I had a photo shoot. 828 00:38:52,160 --> 00:38:53,880 Speaker 2: So I stayed a photohoot and I was like, I've 829 00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:55,920 Speaker 2: got to watch the fight here. So I stayed in 830 00:38:55,920 --> 00:38:59,880 Speaker 2: this flat bedstarle and I was chilling, and I was 831 00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 2: just so. I was in New York. In New York, 832 00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:04,960 Speaker 2: going to I'll get to the church, went to the branch, 833 00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 2: I was going everywhere. I was. I was rolling to 834 00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: the parties, went everywhere. And then I was like and 835 00:39:11,120 --> 00:39:13,200 Speaker 2: I was. And then I was walking around and there's 836 00:39:13,200 --> 00:39:16,719 Speaker 2: a massive poster of Biggie in Brooklyn, and I looked 837 00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:20,000 Speaker 2: at it. I was like, they really love themselves. This 838 00:39:20,080 --> 00:39:21,600 Speaker 2: is someone that's come from there and they've pushed that. 839 00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,960 Speaker 2: I don't think London would. We wouldn't see our heroes 840 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:29,960 Speaker 2: of now on that pedestal, on that platform. We wouldn't 841 00:39:30,040 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 2: see them as who they are. What was period of time, 842 00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,920 Speaker 2: so huh. I came back home and I used to 843 00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:40,560 Speaker 2: like go calli pool, but I used to run from 844 00:39:40,560 --> 00:39:42,680 Speaker 2: my place to go Cally Pool. I used to get 845 00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,319 Speaker 2: a lot of things from our jogs, so I'd run there. 846 00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:47,279 Speaker 2: It's ten minutes jog, and I would look around. I'm 847 00:39:47,320 --> 00:39:51,520 Speaker 2: like the same demographic as New York, literally same demographic. 848 00:39:51,920 --> 00:39:55,480 Speaker 2: What's the difference. Why does New York feel like New 849 00:39:55,560 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 2: York and then London feels And I was just run 850 00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:01,160 Speaker 2: running around. I was like, these guys don't believe themselves. 851 00:40:01,719 --> 00:40:05,280 Speaker 2: I won't believe myself, and I think my career has shifted. 852 00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,120 Speaker 2: But also I think there I just feel I want 853 00:40:08,160 --> 00:40:10,840 Speaker 2: that for London. I want that we're global, we're playing 854 00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,919 Speaker 2: world class rent. I want world class results from the city. 855 00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080 Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? So like, but for 856 00:40:16,120 --> 00:40:18,680 Speaker 2: whatever reason, we're just like going no, no, no. It's 857 00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:21,719 Speaker 2: like I just don't I don't believe in that. I 858 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:23,359 Speaker 2: don't believe in that. And I feel like New York 859 00:40:23,440 --> 00:40:27,080 Speaker 2: has just decide with this, And I think if London 860 00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,840 Speaker 2: has decided with this, I think everything will flourish. And 861 00:40:29,880 --> 00:40:31,839 Speaker 2: I think a lot of it came from that if 862 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,040 Speaker 2: we're being honest about who we are, as opposed to 863 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,520 Speaker 2: kind of hiding and kind of suppressing and kind of 864 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:41,439 Speaker 2: this quick keep calm it, carry on, sheen that we're 865 00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:44,200 Speaker 2: pretending to be where we're actually as a culture very 866 00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:48,279 Speaker 2: quite cocky or sure about who we are, what we 867 00:40:48,320 --> 00:40:50,560 Speaker 2: stand for. Even the fact that when you grow up 868 00:40:50,640 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 2: in London, like you really still stay hanging out with 869 00:40:52,960 --> 00:40:54,680 Speaker 2: your friends that you grew up with. What I'm saying, 870 00:40:54,719 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 2: it's like, it's sure because that's what it is I mean, 871 00:40:58,160 --> 00:41:02,279 Speaker 2: and that's there's a level of conviction and values that 872 00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:05,080 Speaker 2: I feel we're not honest about publicly. And I want 873 00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 2: I wanted more. I wanted more for London. 874 00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: Yeah, I love that, man. I relate to so much 875 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:12,640 Speaker 1: of that as someone who considers myself through and through 876 00:41:12,680 --> 00:41:16,560 Speaker 1: London born, raised, university school, everything. All my best friends 877 00:41:16,600 --> 00:41:19,520 Speaker 1: are here, you know, and obviously I don't live here anymore, 878 00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:22,480 Speaker 1: but when I'm back, it's like, to me, yeah, London 879 00:41:22,560 --> 00:41:24,360 Speaker 1: raised me, and you have that kind of affinity to 880 00:41:24,400 --> 00:41:27,200 Speaker 1: this city in such a special way. But yeah, I 881 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:31,560 Speaker 1: feel similar to you that I feel often people think 882 00:41:31,600 --> 00:41:35,640 Speaker 1: if you if you dream bigger, or you think beyond, 883 00:41:36,000 --> 00:41:40,640 Speaker 1: or you are pursuing the limitless, it's almost seen as 884 00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:43,520 Speaker 1: less than. It's seen as like no, no, no, don't don't 885 00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:45,520 Speaker 1: try that, like that's it's not worth it, it's not 886 00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: worth it. Or when we feel we have to present 887 00:41:49,760 --> 00:41:51,840 Speaker 1: ourselves to others, well like no, no, you shouldn't even have 888 00:41:51,880 --> 00:41:54,279 Speaker 1: to do that. You should it should just happen, and 889 00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: it's like, well no, sometimes it takes a bit of 890 00:41:56,080 --> 00:41:58,600 Speaker 1: work and convincing and pushing the boundaries as you're saying 891 00:41:58,640 --> 00:42:01,200 Speaker 1: as well, And so I can relate to all of 892 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,040 Speaker 1: that and I feel the same way. I feel the 893 00:42:03,040 --> 00:42:05,960 Speaker 1: same way. London is fully global and London has so 894 00:42:06,040 --> 00:42:10,080 Speaker 1: much incredible talent in all these different industries, and I 895 00:42:10,080 --> 00:42:12,080 Speaker 1: think it needs to be shared globally too. We don't 896 00:42:12,120 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: need to stay just here. 897 00:42:13,680 --> 00:42:16,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't. I don't think so. I think. I 898 00:42:16,320 --> 00:42:18,200 Speaker 2: think we've got a lot to say, and we've got 899 00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:20,960 Speaker 2: an interesting perspective, and I just want to I want 900 00:42:21,040 --> 00:42:22,520 Speaker 2: more of it. Like a lot of the time I 901 00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:25,120 Speaker 2: do things. I was like coming in and I may 902 00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:27,000 Speaker 2: mess it up, but at least at least I went 903 00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,200 Speaker 2: for it. At least I went for it and I 904 00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 2: believed in it, and then hopefully someone after me refine 905 00:42:33,600 --> 00:42:36,000 Speaker 2: it so then I can learn signing and I'll go 906 00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:36,200 Speaker 2: for it. 907 00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:38,319 Speaker 1: On the back. 908 00:42:38,560 --> 00:42:41,799 Speaker 2: That's the whole point, like, just go for it. It's 909 00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,839 Speaker 2: not about you, It's about your ideas, what you can 910 00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 2: hear and what you can let through. That's what this is, man, 911 00:42:48,280 --> 00:42:51,080 Speaker 2: And so what are you doing like what you're listening to, 912 00:42:51,120 --> 00:42:53,319 Speaker 2: what radio station is to, what ideas you're letting up? 913 00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:54,319 Speaker 2: That's how I see it. 914 00:42:54,480 --> 00:42:57,319 Speaker 1: Yeah, how do you get I'm introdused. I loved how 915 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,880 Speaker 1: you talked about how the idea for the kitchen formed. 916 00:43:00,480 --> 00:43:05,680 Speaker 1: How do you get curious and critique your own ideas? 917 00:43:05,719 --> 00:43:07,759 Speaker 1: Because I'm sure you have ideas popping at you all 918 00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:11,200 Speaker 1: the time. How do you kind of like filter it 919 00:43:11,280 --> 00:43:13,120 Speaker 1: down to be like, oh, this is an idea that 920 00:43:13,280 --> 00:43:15,880 Speaker 1: I really love versus going to park that I'm going 921 00:43:15,920 --> 00:43:18,200 Speaker 1: to take that from here, Like, walk me through what's 922 00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:19,840 Speaker 1: happening in your mind, because I feel like when you 923 00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:22,000 Speaker 1: do have an idea that you're sure off and you go, yeah, 924 00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:24,760 Speaker 1: that's the one. It seems so clear. But I'm guessing 925 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,440 Speaker 1: you have a million ideas before you get. 926 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:29,000 Speaker 2: That it's clear when you know it's clear, That's what 927 00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:33,040 Speaker 2: I think. In that time, it's like before the true clarity, 928 00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:36,759 Speaker 2: you can't It's like you just can't shake it off. 929 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:39,959 Speaker 2: You can't stop thinking about it, you can't stop thinking 930 00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,000 Speaker 2: about it. You can't stop thinking about it. You keep going, 931 00:43:42,000 --> 00:43:44,839 Speaker 2: you keep going, keep going, and then it goes, oh, 932 00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 2: I've got to do it, and I really truly, there's 933 00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:50,200 Speaker 2: loads of ideas, but like what I read like like 934 00:43:50,320 --> 00:43:53,480 Speaker 2: loads of ideas, but then like someone ends up doing it. 935 00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:58,800 Speaker 2: And when someone ends up doing it, I get really happy. 936 00:43:58,800 --> 00:44:01,520 Speaker 2: You're like, oh cool after do it? M m they 937 00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:03,839 Speaker 2: did it, like I don't. I don't. I don't see 938 00:44:03,880 --> 00:44:05,920 Speaker 2: it as mine as seems what I hear and what 939 00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,480 Speaker 2: I can see, like I think no. Guy Looker said 940 00:44:08,480 --> 00:44:10,360 Speaker 2: in the interview one time, like and there's an island 941 00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:12,719 Speaker 2: discs and that. He said, like they asked him about 942 00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:15,280 Speaker 2: like I can't wonder well one of them songs he made. 943 00:44:15,719 --> 00:44:17,239 Speaker 2: They were like, what's it? Like he said, it's like 944 00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:19,640 Speaker 2: fishing and you got in there by the shore and 945 00:44:19,800 --> 00:44:22,960 Speaker 2: just waiting and he's waiting you on me all that. Oh. 946 00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:25,960 Speaker 2: Michael Jackson described it one time where like he was 947 00:44:26,000 --> 00:44:30,080 Speaker 2: saying how like he was writing, he's writing a song 948 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 2: and they were like, oh, Michael, like go bed like 949 00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,600 Speaker 2: you're tired. He's like, I can't, Michael go bed, Like 950 00:44:34,680 --> 00:44:37,839 Speaker 2: I can't. Let why He's like, I can't because if 951 00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:39,440 Speaker 2: I go to bed, God will give the song to 952 00:44:39,480 --> 00:44:43,000 Speaker 2: Prince and the like you get it like it's not 953 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:49,520 Speaker 2: like it's not mine, it's what my expertise, my hours, 954 00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,600 Speaker 2: my perspective, my I may have an idea, but I'm 955 00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:57,040 Speaker 2: not the right have I had the right upbringing to 956 00:44:57,080 --> 00:45:00,520 Speaker 2: really actualize it. Like it's all these fat is that 957 00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:04,200 Speaker 2: come to you, letting it through. You know what I'm saying. 958 00:45:04,760 --> 00:45:06,800 Speaker 2: So I could see things like oh, yeah, that's a 959 00:45:06,800 --> 00:45:09,120 Speaker 2: great idea, but I'm like, I'm not that's not I'm 960 00:45:09,120 --> 00:45:11,320 Speaker 2: not sure if I'm able to give that. So a 961 00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,160 Speaker 2: lot of time when I act in that how I 962 00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:15,000 Speaker 2: define it, A lot of time is there's stuff I 963 00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:16,080 Speaker 2: want to say and the stuff I want to help 964 00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:19,600 Speaker 2: people say. Acting is me helping someone say something because 965 00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:20,799 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh I really want to say that too, 966 00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:25,359 Speaker 2: but I haven't got time to like yeah, I just 967 00:45:26,360 --> 00:45:29,239 Speaker 2: I help you say it. Like while this is like 968 00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:32,360 Speaker 2: oh okay, nice stuff, I realized, oh I'm I'm the 969 00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:34,960 Speaker 2: one that is supposed to say this. I can say this. 970 00:45:35,400 --> 00:45:37,279 Speaker 2: And then you have to check yourself and go how 971 00:45:37,320 --> 00:45:40,080 Speaker 2: much you thinking about yourself? How big is your mentality 972 00:45:40,200 --> 00:45:41,960 Speaker 2: or like it could be limiting or like you mean, 973 00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:44,479 Speaker 2: it's like there's a whole process. That's why it's taking 974 00:45:44,600 --> 00:45:48,359 Speaker 2: me time. But I think when I did Skins when 975 00:45:48,400 --> 00:45:50,719 Speaker 2: I wrote on Skins, I had a thing that when 976 00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,400 Speaker 2: in my career I was like, all right, cool, do 977 00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:53,440 Speaker 2: I want to be a great singer or do you 978 00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,719 Speaker 2: I want to sing great songs? Yeah, And I think 979 00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:56,880 Speaker 2: my career shifted when I was like, I want to 980 00:45:56,880 --> 00:45:59,120 Speaker 2: sing great songs. And then I realized, in that process, 981 00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:01,319 Speaker 2: you become a great singer. So when skins on, you're 982 00:46:01,400 --> 00:46:04,960 Speaker 2: inheriting characters, you're singing a great song essentially. And then 983 00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,319 Speaker 2: I realized, in this process, I've had to learn how 984 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:09,920 Speaker 2: to make a song, you know what I'm saying, How 985 00:46:10,040 --> 00:46:12,840 Speaker 2: that to create a character, how that, to create relationship design? 986 00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,239 Speaker 2: I had to create structure, Like you have to learn 987 00:46:15,280 --> 00:46:17,400 Speaker 2: all that in order to get to the standard that 988 00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:20,040 Speaker 2: I like. You know what I'm saying that it's not 989 00:46:20,160 --> 00:46:23,480 Speaker 2: you can release it, but I wouldn't because I just 990 00:46:23,719 --> 00:46:26,239 Speaker 2: have a higher standard for myself and the stuff I like. 991 00:46:27,040 --> 00:46:29,759 Speaker 2: And I want me and my friends to like what 992 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,080 Speaker 2: I make or what I help someone make. 993 00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:35,960 Speaker 1: I love what you said, man, And it's so interesting, 994 00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,960 Speaker 1: Like when I'm listening to someone speak on the podcast, 995 00:46:39,520 --> 00:46:42,600 Speaker 1: I'm always just trying to like sense, like what energy 996 00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:44,799 Speaker 1: kind of connects everything They're saying and every time you 997 00:46:44,880 --> 00:46:47,200 Speaker 1: speak and every time the way you answer stuff is 998 00:46:48,200 --> 00:46:52,359 Speaker 1: is counterintuitive in a good way because I hear peace 999 00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:53,960 Speaker 1: and calm through all of it. Like even for you 1000 00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,480 Speaker 1: to just say right now that when someone makes something 1001 00:46:56,480 --> 00:46:59,680 Speaker 1: that I had an idea about, you accept that with peace, 1002 00:46:59,719 --> 00:47:02,360 Speaker 1: that that's not my idea. It wasn't meant to be mine. 1003 00:47:02,640 --> 00:47:04,560 Speaker 1: Where a lot of us see someone make an idea 1004 00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,040 Speaker 1: come that we maybe one day had randomly, and we're like, 1005 00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,120 Speaker 1: they did my idea, Like I wish, you know, I 1006 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,200 Speaker 1: could have been the person or whatever. We often feel 1007 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:14,920 Speaker 1: a bit of competitiveness comparison and you have actually the 1008 00:47:14,920 --> 00:47:17,000 Speaker 1: opposite roads to sense of peace and like, actually that's 1009 00:47:17,000 --> 00:47:17,959 Speaker 1: great for them, good for them. 1010 00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:19,840 Speaker 2: And happy they made. I want to see it, Yeah, 1011 00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:22,520 Speaker 2: I want to see it, like I want to see it, 1012 00:47:23,480 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 2: and it's like it's the reality of like, oh yeah, 1013 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:26,960 Speaker 2: to be too well, I'm the one to make the 1014 00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:30,439 Speaker 2: idea in that certain kind of level that cost a lot. 1015 00:47:31,600 --> 00:47:33,400 Speaker 2: Like so if someone does it and they wanted to 1016 00:47:33,440 --> 00:47:35,680 Speaker 2: pay the price, I'm gonna sit front row. I' a 1017 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,600 Speaker 2: fan of it, saying that back then I buy the DVD. 1018 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:40,960 Speaker 2: I'm saying I would like I would support it because 1019 00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:43,279 Speaker 2: I'm just happy it exists. I was happy. I just 1020 00:47:43,280 --> 00:47:45,640 Speaker 2: want things to exist. I think the world that we 1021 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:50,000 Speaker 2: kind of come into is really fake to say this 1022 00:47:50,080 --> 00:47:52,919 Speaker 2: is this, this is that, Like it's just people decided that. 1023 00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:55,719 Speaker 2: I just decided it's something different, and I think other 1024 00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:59,240 Speaker 2: people just decide something different. And I love seeing people 1025 00:47:59,239 --> 00:47:59,920 Speaker 2: make decisions. 1026 00:48:00,160 --> 00:48:02,360 Speaker 1: M hmm. I know, I know you know this, and 1027 00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,960 Speaker 1: I hope you know that. That is beautiful. Man, that 1028 00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:07,799 Speaker 1: is that mindset is like top notch. That said, that's 1029 00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:08,800 Speaker 1: another level of thinking. 1030 00:48:09,520 --> 00:48:11,239 Speaker 2: I wouldn't see it that way, but I hear you. 1031 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:11,879 Speaker 2: I accept that. 1032 00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:16,600 Speaker 1: I'm yeah, I'm just saying I love that because I 1033 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:18,040 Speaker 1: think if we could all live in that way where 1034 00:48:18,040 --> 00:48:22,360 Speaker 1: we could all be happy for what bringing things into existence, 1035 00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:25,480 Speaker 1: whether it's brought by us or brought by others, that's 1036 00:48:25,640 --> 00:48:26,880 Speaker 1: that's a beautiful state to live in. 1037 00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,360 Speaker 2: To make something that doesn't exist to exist is incredible. 1038 00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:33,120 Speaker 2: I think it's insane. Yeah, so I see that there's 1039 00:48:33,120 --> 00:48:35,640 Speaker 2: an Italian back we just forgot. I was that I 1040 00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:38,359 Speaker 2: was not saying whatever, but like but like like when 1041 00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:39,920 Speaker 2: Thomas said, oh you can't do this, I'm like a 1042 00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:43,399 Speaker 2: man and a woman have sex, yeah, and they make 1043 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:45,600 Speaker 2: a baby. That is so incredible. 1044 00:48:47,000 --> 00:48:51,560 Speaker 1: It's insane. 1045 00:48:52,080 --> 00:48:54,680 Speaker 2: It's like I just like, I just don't you think 1046 00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:57,239 Speaker 2: that's the most insane. But that's really difficult to have. 1047 00:48:57,400 --> 00:49:00,279 Speaker 2: It's really difficult for us. It's a really difficult it's 1048 00:49:00,280 --> 00:49:03,359 Speaker 2: a difficult process. It's all these other thousand guys trying 1049 00:49:03,360 --> 00:49:07,680 Speaker 2: to get in there to you're coming. I'm here, like 1050 00:49:07,840 --> 00:49:10,600 Speaker 2: I just I just it's I don't know. It makes 1051 00:49:10,600 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 2: me I celebrate simple things like I remember at school, 1052 00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:18,520 Speaker 2: I used to look up in the sky. I can't 1053 00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:20,440 Speaker 2: like this interview is making me realize I was a 1054 00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:24,000 Speaker 2: special kid. But I look at this guy like if 1055 00:49:24,040 --> 00:49:27,440 Speaker 2: it's sick, the planes can fly. Yeah, but it's it's 1056 00:49:27,480 --> 00:49:30,399 Speaker 2: so heavy, it's so heavy. There's so many people, there's 1057 00:49:30,400 --> 00:49:34,560 Speaker 2: so many bags. What's going on? Like, I just gotta 1058 00:49:34,600 --> 00:49:38,399 Speaker 2: learn this playground, Like what's going on it? This is 1059 00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 2: this is wild And I just was fo I just 1060 00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:43,000 Speaker 2: just think that's one of the most amazing things ever. 1061 00:49:43,120 --> 00:49:44,880 Speaker 2: Like that's why I always wanted to fly on the Concorde, 1062 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:46,279 Speaker 2: and I never got around it because it got done 1063 00:49:46,280 --> 00:49:48,360 Speaker 2: by at the time I got there. But even a 1064 00:49:48,560 --> 00:49:52,520 Speaker 2: fast there was a faster one. I mean, it's just 1065 00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,399 Speaker 2: like wow. Because it's common, it doesn't mean it's still 1066 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,640 Speaker 2: not wow. Yeah, And I think because there's a lot 1067 00:49:58,680 --> 00:50:01,640 Speaker 2: of it, people then this regarded specialists because there's a 1068 00:50:01,640 --> 00:50:03,680 Speaker 2: lot of it. I just don't do that. 1069 00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,719 Speaker 1: Yeah, really, Yeah, we've lost that experience of awe and 1070 00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,000 Speaker 1: fascination when you have things that surprise you because everything 1071 00:50:11,000 --> 00:50:14,280 Speaker 1: around you is making the most difficult things look easy 1072 00:50:14,440 --> 00:50:16,719 Speaker 1: ai VR, Like I mean today, you know, you could 1073 00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:19,360 Speaker 1: go on and on, like everything's becoming so accessible. 1074 00:50:19,600 --> 00:50:23,799 Speaker 2: And the editor of this kitchen we call it island. 1075 00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:27,080 Speaker 2: When you're staying in is yeah, this is what it 1076 00:50:27,280 --> 00:50:30,720 Speaker 2: is like. And then like so when you're in island, 1077 00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:34,400 Speaker 2: that is amazing because that a big metal box that 1078 00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:37,880 Speaker 2: has three hundred people with like eight hundred kilos of 1079 00:50:37,960 --> 00:50:44,560 Speaker 2: luggage going from San Francisco to London is incredible. That 1080 00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:48,600 Speaker 2: is amazing. And I just kind of I always go 1081 00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,359 Speaker 2: our way mim in Island? Am I there? Am I there? 1082 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,000 Speaker 2: Because then you're in just perception land or whatever you 1083 00:50:54,040 --> 00:50:56,320 Speaker 2: think it is or whatever your past paying or whatever 1084 00:50:56,560 --> 00:51:00,880 Speaker 2: with this crap. Crap is valid, but like it's just 1085 00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,000 Speaker 2: staying that. Yeah, it's powerful. 1086 00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: With your mindset and the amount of calm and peace 1087 00:51:06,200 --> 00:51:11,160 Speaker 1: there is in your life internally, internally you're you're thinking 1088 00:51:11,200 --> 00:51:16,000 Speaker 1: like a monk. Honestly, Yeah, because it's it's the mindset piece, man, 1089 00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:17,920 Speaker 1: It's it's the mindset. I'm not guessing that it's the 1090 00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:22,200 Speaker 1: mindset piece. Like you know, when I asked you every question, 1091 00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:23,640 Speaker 1: I've asked you. The things that have come out of 1092 00:51:23,680 --> 00:51:28,880 Speaker 1: your mind your mouth, peace and calm, and it's come naturally. 1093 00:51:28,920 --> 00:51:31,040 Speaker 1: It's not like you're trying to be zen like, it's 1094 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:32,879 Speaker 1: just coming out because that's where you're trying to live. 1095 00:51:33,440 --> 00:51:35,680 Speaker 1: And so that's what it means, like in the modern 1096 00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,080 Speaker 1: day where you know, we're not trying to live a 1097 00:51:39,080 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: particular monk life in that sense externally, but there's a 1098 00:51:43,160 --> 00:51:45,040 Speaker 1: sense of peace within. There's a sense of calm within, 1099 00:51:45,120 --> 00:51:46,880 Speaker 1: and I love seeing it in other people. I always 1100 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:49,439 Speaker 1: say one of the other people I saw in during 1101 00:51:49,440 --> 00:51:51,239 Speaker 1: an interview was Kobe Bryant. Like when I sat with 1102 00:51:51,320 --> 00:51:54,160 Speaker 1: him and I interviewed him, he had so much gravitas 1103 00:51:54,160 --> 00:51:56,080 Speaker 1: and so much calm and zen around him, and he 1104 00:51:56,160 --> 00:52:01,120 Speaker 1: wasn't spewing like verses or trying to sound you know, spiritual. 1105 00:52:01,320 --> 00:52:02,960 Speaker 1: He wasn't. He wasn't doing that same ways you're not 1106 00:52:03,000 --> 00:52:05,560 Speaker 1: doing that, But it was a natural part of about 1107 00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:09,279 Speaker 1: their presence, and so I respect it. I love seeing 1108 00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:09,920 Speaker 1: it in other people. 1109 00:52:09,960 --> 00:52:11,160 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Havah. 1110 00:52:11,239 --> 00:52:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that I want to dive into and 1111 00:52:14,239 --> 00:52:16,600 Speaker 1: I love I love this idea about what is and 1112 00:52:16,880 --> 00:52:19,799 Speaker 1: what isn't and what could have been, what should have been, 1113 00:52:19,840 --> 00:52:22,480 Speaker 1: what would have been a lot of us live in that. 1114 00:52:22,800 --> 00:52:26,920 Speaker 1: What if if someone's listening right now and they're listening 1115 00:52:26,960 --> 00:52:28,880 Speaker 1: to you, and I'm I know this for a fact, 1116 00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:31,120 Speaker 1: anyone who's listened to you this far today, if you're 1117 00:52:31,120 --> 00:52:32,879 Speaker 1: still listening to the episode, which I know you are, 1118 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,520 Speaker 1: I know that people are going to be moved. I 1119 00:52:35,560 --> 00:52:37,120 Speaker 1: know people are going to be inspired. I know there's 1120 00:52:37,120 --> 00:52:38,520 Speaker 1: a lot of people going to be going, oh my god, 1121 00:52:38,560 --> 00:52:40,200 Speaker 1: I didn't know he'd been through all of that, and 1122 00:52:40,280 --> 00:52:44,640 Speaker 1: you know, like skins and like just writing and the 1123 00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,799 Speaker 1: challenges and the stress. What would you like people to 1124 00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:51,279 Speaker 1: know about you that maybe you think they don't know 1125 00:52:51,760 --> 00:52:54,960 Speaker 1: or or understand about you, that maybe you've never really 1126 00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,760 Speaker 1: been able to talk about or share or or express. 1127 00:52:57,920 --> 00:53:00,560 Speaker 2: I don't know, because I'm not I don't I struggle 1128 00:53:00,600 --> 00:53:04,400 Speaker 2: with like my perception, Like I don't really because because 1129 00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:07,040 Speaker 2: a lot of the fame, it's not like I chose 1130 00:53:07,080 --> 00:53:09,200 Speaker 2: to be this famous. It kind of came as a 1131 00:53:09,200 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 2: product of the work and it was a surprise product. 1132 00:53:12,160 --> 00:53:14,520 Speaker 2: Like I did a film and then a year later 1133 00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:16,560 Speaker 2: I was at the Oscars. I mean, so it was 1134 00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:20,080 Speaker 2: like it was like, oh, I'm not really I think 1135 00:53:20,080 --> 00:53:21,719 Speaker 2: I get the vibe where I'm like, people don't get 1136 00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,399 Speaker 2: me in America anyway, and then in England, I think 1137 00:53:25,440 --> 00:53:28,160 Speaker 2: people do get me, but they still because they get 1138 00:53:28,239 --> 00:53:30,239 Speaker 2: me to go, they don't understand how I've done it. 1139 00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:34,759 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm not really I'll keep it. Really, I've 1140 00:53:34,840 --> 00:53:37,800 Speaker 2: learned how to not be as invested in how people 1141 00:53:37,840 --> 00:53:42,040 Speaker 2: perceive me. But I just not invested in it because 1142 00:53:42,040 --> 00:53:47,600 Speaker 2: then you're consistently curated like I've been there. It's like 1143 00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:49,759 Speaker 2: I'm not sitting there like holier than that, like I've 1144 00:53:49,800 --> 00:53:51,960 Speaker 2: been there. I've been in it trying to trying to 1145 00:53:51,960 --> 00:53:54,680 Speaker 2: look at a certain way. I mean, like I was just like, wow, 1146 00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,239 Speaker 2: I was happy enough. So like I don't know, but 1147 00:53:58,400 --> 00:54:02,560 Speaker 2: if from you, if you want to go ask questions 1148 00:54:02,560 --> 00:54:05,200 Speaker 2: and I'll be open to and I'll be able to elaborate. 1149 00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,520 Speaker 2: I would love to what I'm saying, but for me, 1150 00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:11,720 Speaker 2: I don't go like because if I've really engaged people mentally, 1151 00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:14,120 Speaker 2: I could not get to where I've Yeah, I could 1152 00:54:14,120 --> 00:54:16,440 Speaker 2: not get to where I've got to. So that's a 1153 00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:18,160 Speaker 2: lot of that, A lot of that is in that 1154 00:54:18,880 --> 00:54:22,600 Speaker 2: of that kind of being so like, that's what I think. 1155 00:54:23,160 --> 00:54:26,400 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying, but I'm open. No no, no 1156 00:54:26,600 --> 00:54:27,040 Speaker 2: as well. 1157 00:54:27,480 --> 00:54:29,560 Speaker 1: No no, no, I get what you're saying, and I don't. 1158 00:54:29,800 --> 00:54:33,720 Speaker 1: I don't you know. I think that it's it's tricky 1159 00:54:33,760 --> 00:54:36,000 Speaker 1: because you're right that you can need to get so 1160 00:54:36,200 --> 00:54:41,080 Speaker 1: lost in cultivating and crafting and curating how you're perceived 1161 00:54:41,080 --> 00:54:43,120 Speaker 1: and then still people won't perceive you that way even 1162 00:54:43,120 --> 00:54:45,520 Speaker 1: if you do all of that, or you can kind 1163 00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,319 Speaker 1: of let it go and it kind of flows in 1164 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,359 Speaker 1: its own direction and then you've made peace with that, 1165 00:54:49,400 --> 00:54:52,800 Speaker 1: which which I think is probably the healthier option because 1166 00:54:52,880 --> 00:54:54,160 Speaker 1: at least you can live and breathe. 1167 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,000 Speaker 2: I'll give you an example, right, So I was I 1168 00:54:57,000 --> 00:54:59,120 Speaker 2: remember like I didn't really like I came in this game, 1169 00:54:59,200 --> 00:55:01,520 Speaker 2: like I didn't watch I watched like Batman and Robin 1170 00:55:01,880 --> 00:55:03,120 Speaker 2: so I'm not really, I'm just living life. 1171 00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:04,480 Speaker 1: I'm a kid, my Valcum. 1172 00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:09,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, they took George Clooney like that, Like just I'm 1173 00:55:09,440 --> 00:55:11,480 Speaker 2: watching life like films that come out, you know what 1174 00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:14,160 Speaker 2: I mean. So when I got into the industry, I 1175 00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,800 Speaker 2: was like talking about this art house, from this arthouse, 1176 00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:16,920 Speaker 2: from this, this, this, this, that and the other. And 1177 00:55:16,960 --> 00:55:19,480 Speaker 2: I remember HIV had this deal where you can black 1178 00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,880 Speaker 2: by one pound two pound films, so just by loads 1179 00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:25,240 Speaker 2: of films. And I would just watch all the people 1180 00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,160 Speaker 2: that people spoke about that, like the legends like menon 1181 00:55:28,200 --> 00:55:32,880 Speaker 2: Street Lewis, like Shane Meadows, Paddy Consertin, like all these 1182 00:55:32,920 --> 00:55:35,840 Speaker 2: people that people were like around that time, around oh seven, 1183 00:55:36,239 --> 00:55:39,440 Speaker 2: that people just obsessed about. But what the time watching? 1184 00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,120 Speaker 2: And I w go, oh, like all right, cool. I 1185 00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:44,600 Speaker 2: watched it. Active was like, okay, that's you're clearly really 1186 00:55:44,600 --> 00:55:49,279 Speaker 2: good at what you do, But so what like what 1187 00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:53,640 Speaker 2: four I mean? And I realized I cared more about 1188 00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:58,080 Speaker 2: that than how great you were at something that was 1189 00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:03,120 Speaker 2: aimless or perss. Then I realized great didn't mean anything. 1190 00:56:04,360 --> 00:56:06,680 Speaker 2: Being really great at your job being really good didn't mean, 1191 00:56:06,760 --> 00:56:09,120 Speaker 2: it didn't mean and it had no emotion to it. 1192 00:56:09,160 --> 00:56:12,759 Speaker 2: So that some person's really great. Then I obviously i'd 1193 00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:16,000 Speaker 2: watched all those that's those films, and I went for that. 1194 00:56:17,680 --> 00:56:19,480 Speaker 2: And then what happens when you go for that is 1195 00:56:19,480 --> 00:56:21,200 Speaker 2: a bit of a prison. And then you watch your 1196 00:56:21,239 --> 00:56:23,880 Speaker 2: work back and you're just critique in yourself. You're not 1197 00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:26,520 Speaker 2: enjoying it. You're just critique and critique and in your head, 1198 00:56:26,560 --> 00:56:28,880 Speaker 2: in your in your in your head. Then I had 1199 00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:30,480 Speaker 2: to go, yo, I can't keep doing this. I can't 1200 00:56:30,520 --> 00:56:33,200 Speaker 2: every time I do a job, just kind of because 1201 00:56:33,200 --> 00:56:34,960 Speaker 2: I'm always I always used to be that improv like 1202 00:56:35,400 --> 00:56:37,160 Speaker 2: think about the whole week. I'll do it, improving the 1203 00:56:37,160 --> 00:56:38,440 Speaker 2: whole week. I should have done this, I should have 1204 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:41,840 Speaker 2: done that. Should next week, I'm gonna go this. I 1205 00:56:41,880 --> 00:56:44,120 Speaker 2: missed up and then and I was like this isn't 1206 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,239 Speaker 2: this isn't enjoyable. And then I got to a place 1207 00:56:47,280 --> 00:56:49,560 Speaker 2: where I was like, oh, don't try and be good, 1208 00:56:49,560 --> 00:56:54,160 Speaker 2: try and be honest. Like what I say, truth is 1209 00:56:55,000 --> 00:56:57,360 Speaker 2: what happened. Honestly is how you feel about what happened. 1210 00:56:57,960 --> 00:56:59,640 Speaker 2: So that's how I felt like. I was just like, yo, 1211 00:56:59,719 --> 00:57:01,680 Speaker 2: like this is half this is what I feel like 1212 00:57:02,000 --> 00:57:05,440 Speaker 2: A minute I go for something that's honest. I'll do 1213 00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:08,560 Speaker 2: something at work and then a year later you watch 1214 00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:11,160 Speaker 2: it back and it's you're in a completely different space 1215 00:57:11,200 --> 00:57:12,920 Speaker 2: that you was a year ago, and you wouldn't have 1216 00:57:12,920 --> 00:57:15,520 Speaker 2: done it that way. But I just go, That's how 1217 00:57:15,520 --> 00:57:15,839 Speaker 2: I felt. 1218 00:57:16,560 --> 00:57:18,160 Speaker 1: That's the honesty that I felt. 1219 00:57:18,240 --> 00:57:20,480 Speaker 2: That's where I was that if I can't it's not now. 1220 00:57:21,040 --> 00:57:24,240 Speaker 2: Time is as important as you like. It's not like 1221 00:57:24,680 --> 00:57:28,880 Speaker 2: the time is there, the time like the time where 1222 00:57:28,920 --> 00:57:31,440 Speaker 2: you was at got you there. Yeah, And a lot 1223 00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:33,600 Speaker 2: of jobs is like I'm the best person for the job. 1224 00:57:33,720 --> 00:57:37,160 Speaker 2: After the job I'm saying. It's like and you have 1225 00:57:37,200 --> 00:57:39,360 Speaker 2: to make people you grew because you grew because you 1226 00:57:39,440 --> 00:57:41,600 Speaker 2: learned how to do it, and now you go if 1227 00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:45,200 Speaker 2: you give me now, and it's it's like an annoying 1228 00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:48,240 Speaker 2: thing to be in. Everybody's like you have to go with. 1229 00:57:48,280 --> 00:57:51,360 Speaker 2: That's how I felt. I was honest. If I was honest, 1230 00:57:51,400 --> 00:57:52,640 Speaker 2: I can always walk away and go put my head 1231 00:57:52,680 --> 00:57:55,280 Speaker 2: up like. That's so I felt, And so that's what 1232 00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:58,240 Speaker 2: I go for, Like in terms of everything, I got, yoh, 1233 00:57:58,720 --> 00:58:01,600 Speaker 2: that's where I'm at. Man, it's half man and then 1234 00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,600 Speaker 2: oh yeah, and if I say something different for years, 1235 00:58:03,600 --> 00:58:09,439 Speaker 2: they're like yeah, ye, it's because I went through something 1236 00:58:09,480 --> 00:58:12,160 Speaker 2: and my mentality or something shift. I changed my mind, 1237 00:58:12,680 --> 00:58:15,880 Speaker 2: So it's not it's not like that. That's how Really 1238 00:58:15,920 --> 00:58:19,240 Speaker 2: what I engage with now is this guy like any 1239 00:58:19,280 --> 00:58:26,480 Speaker 2: other like micro management of my perception. I'm too meticulous 1240 00:58:27,320 --> 00:58:29,240 Speaker 2: for me to really go in that lane because then 1241 00:58:29,240 --> 00:58:31,480 Speaker 2: I will really micromanager. So then I was like, well, 1242 00:58:31,520 --> 00:58:34,200 Speaker 2: what's just be real? And then and people that get 1243 00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:36,480 Speaker 2: get people that don't, that's what they're supposed to do. 1244 00:58:37,000 --> 00:58:39,640 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm glad I asked that 1245 00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:41,800 Speaker 1: question because I love where you took it, and I 1246 00:58:41,840 --> 00:58:44,920 Speaker 1: think what I'm intrigued by by what you said is 1247 00:58:44,960 --> 00:58:47,560 Speaker 1: what is what are the projects that you're now And 1248 00:58:47,600 --> 00:58:49,720 Speaker 1: I don't mean specifics like I don't need to name 1249 00:58:49,760 --> 00:58:52,040 Speaker 1: stuff that you're working on, but what is it that 1250 00:58:52,080 --> 00:58:55,000 Speaker 1: you want your work to mean today as you are writing, 1251 00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:58,160 Speaker 1: as you're producing, as you're now in charge of the story. 1252 00:58:58,400 --> 00:59:01,640 Speaker 1: Obviously you've been selective over roles you've played, but I mean, 1253 00:59:01,680 --> 00:59:04,600 Speaker 1: now that you're telling your own stories, writing your own stories, 1254 00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,120 Speaker 1: producing them would you've been doing since day one, but 1255 00:59:07,280 --> 00:59:09,400 Speaker 1: now doing it at this level, what do you want 1256 00:59:09,400 --> 00:59:11,080 Speaker 1: it to mean? What do you want people to feel. 1257 00:59:11,560 --> 00:59:13,479 Speaker 1: What are the things you'd like people want to feel. 1258 00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,200 Speaker 2: I don't think I can manage it, yeah, because that 1259 00:59:17,240 --> 00:59:21,760 Speaker 2: will rob them from their experience, right, or what I 1260 00:59:21,800 --> 00:59:24,480 Speaker 2: want people to feel about the stuff I made right 1261 00:59:24,560 --> 00:59:27,080 Speaker 2: and producing direct to anything I do in my life, Yeah, 1262 00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:34,120 Speaker 2: is to go someone to take it in, call their 1263 00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:39,840 Speaker 2: friend and have you seen this? This is mad? And 1264 00:59:39,880 --> 00:59:45,200 Speaker 2: then and they get points from their friend because they 1265 00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,080 Speaker 2: have shared something that. I mean, it's like there's a 1266 00:59:50,080 --> 00:59:53,040 Speaker 2: song that's amazing and they're like, this is mad. And 1267 00:59:53,120 --> 00:59:56,280 Speaker 2: then now forever you're going to rate that, you're going, Oh, 1268 00:59:56,360 --> 00:59:58,600 Speaker 2: I introduce you to that, just say do you feel 1269 00:59:58,640 --> 01:00:00,960 Speaker 2: like yeah, like I got it? Like I want my 1270 01:00:01,880 --> 01:00:04,200 Speaker 2: work to feel like that. I want it to feel 1271 01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,120 Speaker 2: to share it to there's an excitement, it's like there's 1272 01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:08,840 Speaker 2: a crackle to it, like I want there to be 1273 01:00:09,000 --> 01:00:11,560 Speaker 2: like I want it to be shareable, because I do 1274 01:00:11,600 --> 01:00:13,280 Speaker 2: think sometimes in a lot of work is there's stuff 1275 01:00:13,320 --> 01:00:15,120 Speaker 2: you share, this stuff you don't. It could be as 1276 01:00:15,160 --> 01:00:16,520 Speaker 2: good as great as you want the stuff that you 1277 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:17,880 Speaker 2: want to share, This stuff you don't want to share. 1278 01:00:18,160 --> 01:00:19,760 Speaker 2: It's a lot of depressing stuff I do not want 1279 01:00:19,800 --> 01:00:23,480 Speaker 2: to share. But they are excellent, it's incredible. You just 1280 01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:27,160 Speaker 2: mean then you take it what you take into for 1281 01:00:27,200 --> 01:00:30,240 Speaker 2: whatever reason. And I do love the fact that people 1282 01:00:30,240 --> 01:00:32,280 Speaker 2: got ye this is this makes you feel something. This 1283 01:00:32,360 --> 01:00:33,880 Speaker 2: makes me, This makes me want to move. You know 1284 01:00:33,880 --> 01:00:35,760 Speaker 2: what it is? You know what it is. I want 1285 01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,160 Speaker 2: to make music that makes people want to dance. And 1286 01:00:38,200 --> 01:00:40,000 Speaker 2: how what I mean by that? It's like kind of 1287 01:00:40,040 --> 01:00:43,880 Speaker 2: like you can't intellectualize why someone dances. Do you know 1288 01:00:43,880 --> 01:00:46,440 Speaker 2: what u'mer saying? It's just they do they move? I mean, 1289 01:00:46,560 --> 01:00:49,000 Speaker 2: I want to just move people move people to go 1290 01:00:49,080 --> 01:00:50,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do that, or I want to do this, 1291 01:00:50,760 --> 01:00:52,880 Speaker 2: or like I want to share this. I want to 1292 01:00:53,280 --> 01:00:56,320 Speaker 2: I want to There's something that comes after it that 1293 01:00:56,440 --> 01:01:00,440 Speaker 2: means you that's bigger than any adjective. Do you know 1294 01:01:00,480 --> 01:01:02,200 Speaker 2: what I'm saying? Because a lot of times, a lot 1295 01:01:02,240 --> 01:01:05,080 Speaker 2: of people's feelings are just adjectives, the stuff that you 1296 01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,720 Speaker 2: say on Twitter, and not stuff that's we are actually feeling. 1297 01:01:09,760 --> 01:01:11,240 Speaker 2: So that's that's where that's why I'm. 1298 01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:13,480 Speaker 1: A great answer man, great answer. The reason why I 1299 01:01:13,480 --> 01:01:15,520 Speaker 1: love that is when I started, when I first made 1300 01:01:15,560 --> 01:01:17,440 Speaker 1: my first ever video and people said why did you 1301 01:01:17,480 --> 01:01:19,680 Speaker 1: make it? I said, because I wanted someone to send 1302 01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,480 Speaker 1: it to their friend and say that's what we were 1303 01:01:21,480 --> 01:01:24,080 Speaker 1: talking about. Yes, and that's what we were talking about, 1304 01:01:24,120 --> 01:01:25,960 Speaker 1: and I didn't know how to We didn't add it, 1305 01:01:26,000 --> 01:01:28,760 Speaker 1: but that that video helped explain, yes, what I was 1306 01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,120 Speaker 1: going through. But Daniel, you've been amazing. I've got a 1307 01:01:31,160 --> 01:01:33,960 Speaker 1: final five. We do this with every guest. These final 1308 01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:36,160 Speaker 1: five have to be answered in one word to one 1309 01:01:36,200 --> 01:01:39,400 Speaker 1: sentence maximum. So Daniel, these are your final five. The 1310 01:01:39,440 --> 01:01:42,280 Speaker 1: first question is what is the best advice you've ever heard, 1311 01:01:42,320 --> 01:01:43,160 Speaker 1: received or given. 1312 01:01:43,920 --> 01:01:45,880 Speaker 2: I've got one professionally, but I've got one personally. I 1313 01:01:45,960 --> 01:01:47,600 Speaker 2: used to reject it as a kid, this advice, but 1314 01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:49,680 Speaker 2: now I'm older, I get the more I'm realizing how 1315 01:01:50,040 --> 01:01:55,040 Speaker 2: much as my mum is always saying everything matters, everything, 1316 01:01:55,240 --> 01:01:59,440 Speaker 2: everything little matters, and I would let I wouldn't focus 1317 01:01:59,480 --> 01:02:03,280 Speaker 2: on detail. I willn't focus on details. And then now 1318 01:02:03,320 --> 01:02:06,280 Speaker 2: I'm old, I'm realizing the detail isn't about the details. 1319 01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:08,800 Speaker 2: This is about what it says about you and how 1320 01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:10,720 Speaker 2: easily you can show up on everything else if you 1321 01:02:10,800 --> 01:02:14,400 Speaker 2: just practice simple details and it goes everything little matters, 1322 01:02:14,480 --> 01:02:15,680 Speaker 2: just everything that matters. 1323 01:02:16,160 --> 01:02:18,480 Speaker 1: I think that I love that that's great, man. We 1324 01:02:18,600 --> 01:02:20,680 Speaker 1: never had that, and I fully agree, all right. Question 1325 01:02:20,760 --> 01:02:23,240 Speaker 1: number two, what is the worst advice you've ever heard, 1326 01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:24,120 Speaker 1: received or given? 1327 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:28,040 Speaker 2: I can't remember specific, but I can remember how it 1328 01:02:28,080 --> 01:02:30,120 Speaker 2: made me feel and how I reacted to it in 1329 01:02:30,160 --> 01:02:32,760 Speaker 2: my head when they said it, when they basically were 1330 01:02:32,840 --> 01:02:37,680 Speaker 2: just saying accept less, basically what the principle was. And 1331 01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:39,720 Speaker 2: I think I just erase it when people say that, 1332 01:02:40,480 --> 01:02:42,080 Speaker 2: they go, you know, you're not supposed to like, you 1333 01:02:42,120 --> 01:02:45,240 Speaker 2: know this or that person deserves basically based on that 1334 01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:50,280 Speaker 2: person deserves more. I think everyone deserves more that I mean, 1335 01:02:50,320 --> 01:02:52,600 Speaker 2: it's not like I believe so if you decide that 1336 01:02:52,640 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 2: you want more than you can get, if you don't, 1337 01:02:54,120 --> 01:02:56,760 Speaker 2: then chilly. I mean, it's not like and I feel 1338 01:02:56,760 --> 01:03:00,880 Speaker 2: like when people are communicating sub continent just be communicating 1339 01:03:00,920 --> 01:03:05,520 Speaker 2: a hierarchy that they went out of that doesn't benefit me. 1340 01:03:06,320 --> 01:03:10,479 Speaker 2: I just got your chatting rubbish, but like I can't. 1341 01:03:10,520 --> 01:03:12,680 Speaker 2: It's that's I think it's accept less. 1342 01:03:13,760 --> 01:03:16,280 Speaker 1: Love that all right. Question number three, what's the first 1343 01:03:16,320 --> 01:03:17,680 Speaker 1: thing you do when you wake up and the last 1344 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:19,160 Speaker 1: thing you do when you go to bed? 1345 01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:19,919 Speaker 2: Pray? Pray? 1346 01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:22,320 Speaker 1: M what's the prayer? 1347 01:03:23,040 --> 01:03:27,200 Speaker 2: Just? Thanks? Thanks? I got into that. I used to 1348 01:03:27,280 --> 01:03:29,720 Speaker 2: it as my mom as a kid. She made me 1349 01:03:29,840 --> 01:03:33,240 Speaker 2: the Bible with you now you should be the probother day. 1350 01:03:33,280 --> 01:03:34,840 Speaker 2: You know they got like thirty one chapters and that 1351 01:03:35,600 --> 01:03:38,600 Speaker 2: I used to read it as a kid. And then 1352 01:03:38,880 --> 01:03:40,280 Speaker 2: I don't know what I got into a players. I 1353 01:03:40,320 --> 01:03:42,440 Speaker 2: was just like, no, man, because one time I had 1354 01:03:42,480 --> 01:03:44,680 Speaker 2: to audition. I really wanted this audition. I weren't really 1355 01:03:44,720 --> 01:03:49,040 Speaker 2: all know that and we wanted this audition. I just prayed, 1356 01:03:50,640 --> 01:03:52,040 Speaker 2: who am I chatting to? 1357 01:03:52,880 --> 01:03:53,880 Speaker 1: What is on it? 1358 01:03:55,040 --> 01:03:57,200 Speaker 2: I was in New York. I remember I really wanted it, 1359 01:03:57,600 --> 01:04:00,320 Speaker 2: Like why did I feel to do that? And I 1360 01:04:00,400 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 2: just ignored it just kind of carried on my life. 1361 01:04:01,720 --> 01:04:05,840 Speaker 2: It's like twenty sixteen was like and then I think 1362 01:04:05,880 --> 01:04:07,080 Speaker 2: I work to a place and I was like, you 1363 01:04:07,120 --> 01:04:13,280 Speaker 2: know what it makes me? Just stay? Yeah, thanks, focus 1364 01:04:13,320 --> 01:04:15,840 Speaker 2: on what I think and like what I'm grateful for, 1365 01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:20,240 Speaker 2: and then like humility because my ego can get world sometimes, 1366 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:24,480 Speaker 2: So teach me how to just chill and I listen 1367 01:04:24,520 --> 01:04:26,920 Speaker 2: to myself. Yeah, I think God's in you. I don't 1368 01:04:26,920 --> 01:04:29,959 Speaker 2: think God's above you. It's not big brother N eighty four. 1369 01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:32,800 Speaker 1: I love that. I'm going to take that as question 1370 01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,880 Speaker 1: four because I followed up fifth and final question. Yeah, 1371 01:04:35,960 --> 01:04:38,160 Speaker 1: if you could create one law in the world that 1372 01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:40,080 Speaker 1: everyone had to follow, what would it be. 1373 01:04:41,040 --> 01:04:43,640 Speaker 2: If you have been proven in one way, shape or 1374 01:04:43,720 --> 01:04:48,840 Speaker 2: form to hate someone or a group of people, your 1375 01:04:49,240 --> 01:04:51,560 Speaker 2: punishment is to live with them for a year. 1376 01:04:52,600 --> 01:04:53,000 Speaker 1: Mmmm. 1377 01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:59,000 Speaker 2: Anyone even like Twitter, hate anything on you do your 1378 01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:02,760 Speaker 2: that's like nine to five or whatever, Boom boom, you 1379 01:05:02,840 --> 01:05:07,400 Speaker 2: go live with them for a year, and it's being there. 1380 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:09,120 Speaker 2: I think that's just off top. 1381 01:05:09,400 --> 01:05:12,120 Speaker 1: Really, that's a great answer, man. Yeah, I like that 1382 01:05:12,160 --> 01:05:12,480 Speaker 1: a lot. 1383 01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:14,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that's that's what that is. 1384 01:05:14,400 --> 01:05:17,880 Speaker 1: I like that. You there, That's a great answer. That's dope. 1385 01:05:18,520 --> 01:05:19,160 Speaker 2: Appreciate you. 1386 01:05:19,280 --> 01:05:21,160 Speaker 1: I appreciate you. Thank you. 1387 01:05:21,280 --> 01:05:21,320 Speaker 2: Er. 1388 01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,600 Speaker 1: If you love this episode, you'll really enjoy my episode 1389 01:05:25,600 --> 01:05:29,760 Speaker 1: with Selena Gomez on befriending your inner critic and how 1390 01:05:29,800 --> 01:05:32,200 Speaker 1: to speak to yourself with more compassion. 1391 01:05:32,640 --> 01:05:36,360 Speaker 2: My fears are only going to continue to show me 1392 01:05:36,440 --> 01:05:39,600 Speaker 2: what I'm capable of. The more that I face my fears, 1393 01:05:39,680 --> 01:05:43,280 Speaker 2: the more that I feel I'm gaining strength, I'm gaining wisdom, 1394 01:05:43,360 --> 01:05:45,240 Speaker 2: and I just want to keep doing that.