WEBVTT - Adjacency Is Not Allyship: Revoke The Cookout Pass | MiniPod 0:00:00.200 --> 0:00:03.400 Native Lampard is a production of iHeartRadio in partnership with 0:00:03.480 --> 0:00:09.840 Reason Choice Media. Welcome, Welcome to our mini pod. You all. 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.360 It's been a very interesting week for us. 0:00:12.400 --> 0:00:16.200 I think some of us are hovering somewhere between grief 0:00:16.400 --> 0:00:20.480 and blind rage after the midterm election results. I don't 0:00:20.480 --> 0:00:24.200 think there were any overwhelming, overwhelming yes in the war. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:26.120 But I'm just gonna be honest with y'all. 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:30.480 I am deepening into the election results right now, and 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:33.440 my heart and prayers go out to everyone who has 0:00:33.440 --> 0:00:35.760 family members who are being impacted by everything that's going 0:00:35.800 --> 0:00:37.599 on in the Middle East East and has been for 0:00:37.680 --> 0:00:38.440 some time. 0:00:39.880 --> 0:00:40.080 You know. 0:00:40.640 --> 0:00:43.199 First, I want to start somewhere positive. We didn't do 0:00:43.240 --> 0:00:47.560 this in the mainho y'all. Reverend Doctor Frederick Douglas Haynes 0:00:48.000 --> 0:00:52.400 did win the primary Jasmine Crockett's old seat, and I'm 0:00:52.440 --> 0:00:54.440 starting there because I'm about to hit a quick pivot. 0:00:55.280 --> 0:00:56.040 Linay girl. 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:59.400 The people who were online saying, and I think we 0:00:59.480 --> 0:01:02.240 have some of those tweets that were online saying like, well, 0:01:02.280 --> 0:01:04.399 at least now there's a real progressive in the seat. 0:01:04.480 --> 0:01:07.039 I just want to tell everyone, for those who don't 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:12.119 know that Reverend Doctor Frederick Douglas Haynes of Friendship West 0:01:12.200 --> 0:01:16.760 in Dallas also happens to be Jasmin Crocketts pastor and 0:01:16.760 --> 0:01:18.959 one of her closest and dearest advisors. So there's not 0:01:19.040 --> 0:01:21.320 a lot of light between their two positions. In fact, 0:01:21.440 --> 0:01:24.480 they supported each other in these primaries. So I just 0:01:24.600 --> 0:01:26.920 I wanted to start there, And I also want to 0:01:26.959 --> 0:01:29.880 say what has been so frustrating to me the text. 0:01:29.600 --> 0:01:30.479 That I was getting on the. 0:01:30.440 --> 0:01:33.800 Side like well you talk to James, you know, having 0:01:33.800 --> 0:01:37.720 to be very clear about the sisterhood I have with Jasmine. 0:01:38.040 --> 0:01:42.679 I just don't understand why some of what happened occurred. Andrew, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:44.320 I thought we left it behind in twenty eighteen, and 0:01:44.360 --> 0:01:46.600 you're a primary race, you know. So I just I 0:01:46.600 --> 0:01:48.480 want to talk about some of this. Linnee, you found 0:01:48.480 --> 0:01:50.000 yourself in the crosshairs. I would love for you to 0:01:50.040 --> 0:01:53.000 explain our audience some of what you experienced being the 0:01:53.160 --> 0:01:59.200 unnamed interviewee who's a very popular viral interviewer. You had 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:01.200 an interview with the Jasmine and I'd love for you 0:02:01.240 --> 0:02:02.639 to talk about some of what happened. 0:02:02.680 --> 0:02:06.520 Yeah, So I had an interview with Jasmine in December 0:02:06.720 --> 0:02:11.280 of last year. Yeah, this was right after a clip 0:02:11.320 --> 0:02:14.519 has started circulating about her. She was given a response 0:02:15.000 --> 0:02:17.440 on the United States relationship with Israel, and the way 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:17.720 that it. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:18.800 Was cut it. 0:02:20.320 --> 0:02:22.600 Engendered a bunch of conversation alone about whether or not 0:02:22.680 --> 0:02:25.679 she was paid by APAK, whether she was a blanket Sionist, 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:28.079 and so that took up the crux of our conversation, 0:02:28.200 --> 0:02:30.880 and there was one question that I had in particular. First, 0:02:30.960 --> 0:02:33.320 I'll say that I did think that Jasmin had accept 0:02:33.360 --> 0:02:36.160 the APAC money and I was incorrected about that. So 0:02:36.200 --> 0:02:39.160 we cleared up that to just make sure, like people 0:02:39.200 --> 0:02:43.000 understod that she wasn't compromised financially by this organization or 0:02:43.040 --> 0:02:44.840 whatever to be given the answer she was given about 0:02:44.880 --> 0:02:47.400 her thoughts on Israel. But the question that I had 0:02:47.440 --> 0:02:51.359 remaining was, you know, people act like and she has 0:02:51.400 --> 0:02:54.200 said that our relationship with Israel is just going to exist, 0:02:54.280 --> 0:02:55.920 and it's been here for a long time, it's going 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:57.480 to be here for a long time, and I'm just like, 0:02:57.520 --> 0:03:00.520 you know, racism has been here for a long time, soism, 0:03:00.600 --> 0:03:03.320 I'm sorry. So it's sexism, homophobia and all these things, 0:03:03.360 --> 0:03:06.960 and we do not subscribe to maintaining those relationships. 0:03:07.040 --> 0:03:09.040 So what is it about Israel? 0:03:09.400 --> 0:03:12.519 And I could just tell that she could not give 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.600 me a complete answer because she just could not. What 0:03:16.639 --> 0:03:18.560 do you do when to go an official tells you 0:03:18.639 --> 0:03:22.200 what they can tell you, you know. But anyways, it 0:03:23.080 --> 0:03:25.480 got flack when I first put it out, but most 0:03:25.520 --> 0:03:27.760 people were just wishing that she would have just called 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:29.959 it a genocide. What Israel is doing to gods like 0:03:30.040 --> 0:03:30.720 a genocide. 0:03:31.080 --> 0:03:31.240 Now. 0:03:31.280 --> 0:03:35.040 The thing is, the clips went viral again the weekend 0:03:35.120 --> 0:03:38.640 right before the primary, and these pages that were posting 0:03:38.680 --> 0:03:42.240 it were pages that are known, particularly on the app threads, 0:03:42.680 --> 0:03:48.360 for being messy, being divisive, and hampering down on black 0:03:48.400 --> 0:03:51.880 women in particular. So when I saw these posts from 0:03:51.920 --> 0:03:56.000 these accounts saying great question from the interviewee, horrible response 0:03:56.000 --> 0:03:59.760 from Jasmine, or a disappointing question from Jasmine Crocket, Oh 0:03:59.800 --> 0:04:02.840 yeah the interviewee, like that was an amazing question. I'm 0:04:02.840 --> 0:04:05.400 not sure why she can't answer it. They were using 0:04:05.440 --> 0:04:08.600 me as this nameless person or whatever to try to 0:04:09.080 --> 0:04:12.360 further dinner grate Jasmine. And it was strange to me 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.040 because it's on an issue that she and Taller Rico 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.440 have had the same stance on throughout the entirety of 0:04:17.440 --> 0:04:20.360 their campaign, but in checking their pages, they had no 0:04:20.400 --> 0:04:23.440 information about tall Rico's position on Israel. So that's a 0:04:23.440 --> 0:04:26.599 lot of backstory to say that I immediately took offense to 0:04:26.640 --> 0:04:28.200 it because as how I read it is that they 0:04:28.200 --> 0:04:30.240 were trying to use me a black face and a 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:35.760 nameless blackface to try to justify this dog filing on 0:04:35.839 --> 0:04:39.360 Jazzmin right before the primary. So I made some statements 0:04:39.360 --> 0:04:41.520 on my threads, I made a video on my threads, 0:04:41.600 --> 0:04:44.839 and then what the person who was responsible for Jazzmin's 0:04:44.880 --> 0:04:48.360 digital outreach campaign, Elizabeth Booker Squared also sort of came 0:04:48.400 --> 0:04:52.480 to my defense because she had dealt with one account 0:04:52.520 --> 0:04:58.680 in particular Roague DNC we should pull yeah yeah threads 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:04.520 and so coming to my defense, this person decided it 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:07.839 was in his best interest to create a racist caricature 0:05:07.920 --> 0:05:15.480 of Elizabeth Barrier can to minstrelsy yeah and M need 0:05:15.520 --> 0:05:17.760 to we should pull it up so much, it was 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:19.960 so much and I don't even know where you want 0:05:19.960 --> 0:05:21.599 me to go from there, because the thing. 0:05:22.800 --> 0:05:26.200 Do we have that I'm asking Derek now, Derek, I 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:27.880 flagged him in the chat because we got it got 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:31.280 buried with all the Clinton testimony and everything else. So 0:05:31.560 --> 0:05:33.600 if we can't pull that, it's the rogue d n 0:05:33.720 --> 0:05:37.400 c uh threads post first, it's just text. 0:05:38.000 --> 0:05:38.160 Uh. 0:05:38.160 --> 0:05:42.000 So we put that image up and the personal it 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:44.960 is it's a real it's a real, it's a real person. 0:05:47.120 --> 0:05:47.480 Or something. 0:05:47.680 --> 0:05:50.279 No, so let's let's local recognition correct. 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:53.400 But I think yeah, he was not an image Award winner, 0:05:54.040 --> 0:05:57.320 which is high. Read it to it first, so his 0:05:57.680 --> 0:06:02.480 this is him After he puts this racist caricature up 0:06:02.520 --> 0:06:04.719 of Elizabeth, who also has been a guest co host 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:08.719 on our program as a family does it says Hey, all, 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.520 I was educated on the history of racist caricatures by 0:06:12.560 --> 0:06:16.800 a mutual and by a mutual and apologize for my 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:22.120 racist photoshop. Liquefy. This person has been bullying me for months. 0:06:22.120 --> 0:06:23.800 This person, by the way, he talked about as Elizabeth 0:06:23.800 --> 0:06:26.920 Elith and didn't want to reply to her mean d M, 0:06:27.360 --> 0:06:29.760 so I did what I thought was a funny photoshop. 0:06:30.160 --> 0:06:32.920 I apologize and think those who talk to me with 0:06:33.040 --> 0:06:34.880 decency and respect now. 0:06:36.240 --> 0:06:41.320 And sorry girl, please, this is probably didn't bully him. 0:06:50.200 --> 0:06:53.520 Are equal and opposite responses to what people give. Anybody 0:06:53.600 --> 0:06:56.040 else like Elizabeth is definitely a pit bull when she 0:06:56.160 --> 0:06:58.000 needs to but it's always for a good cause, and 0:06:58.120 --> 0:07:01.080 somebody else always starts. Now this it has no decency 0:07:01.240 --> 0:07:04.920 or respect for themselves because as you said, or somebody said, 0:07:04.920 --> 0:07:07.920 they thought to throw into my thread where I asked 0:07:07.960 --> 0:07:09.640 them to stop using my name and my image for 0:07:09.720 --> 0:07:12.680 their massage noir. They said, well, I have an NAACP 0:07:12.720 --> 0:07:15.120 Image Award, So how do I hate black women? 0:07:16.160 --> 0:07:18.160 Hey, exhibit A, exhibit A. 0:07:20.080 --> 0:07:24.080 You have the site and na a CP recognition. Yeah. 0:07:25.040 --> 0:07:28.320 Can I ask, can I ask Lennay just for for 0:07:28.640 --> 0:07:31.920 for listeners and particularly for black men who hear this 0:07:32.040 --> 0:07:35.200 word a lot? What is massage? Massage in no arm? 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:38.040 What is that? Tell me what you mean in like 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.640 in a in a very very not not I hate 0:07:40.680 --> 0:07:42.760 to say, fifth grade type way, but very. 0:07:42.720 --> 0:07:45.320 Prictical way, kindergarten. 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:48.920 Please, absolutely so massage noir It can be a little 0:07:48.920 --> 0:07:50.720 bit of a mouthful, but it's a combination. It's a 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.960 compound word of misogyny and noir, as in like film 0:07:54.400 --> 0:07:57.400 and so black and film. So it was coined by 0:07:57.440 --> 0:07:59.720 Moya Bailey, my film and sister actually doctor Moya Bailey 0:07:59.760 --> 0:08:02.200 in two thousand and eight to describe how black women 0:08:02.240 --> 0:08:05.400 were being perceived on film at the intersection of misogyny 0:08:05.520 --> 0:08:08.320 and racism, and so it became sort of like a 0:08:08.400 --> 0:08:12.360 platform to discuss how black women experienced denigration or harm 0:08:13.040 --> 0:08:16.640 or double standards, are unfair critique at the intersection of 0:08:16.680 --> 0:08:17.720 misogyny and racism. 0:08:19.400 --> 0:08:23.040 Clearly it's true truth. Yeah, no, I agree, I understand. No, 0:08:23.160 --> 0:08:26.840 I understand, but I know that it's agree. Sorry, no, 0:08:27.000 --> 0:08:29.440 I'm just saying that that is a that that has 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:32.280 been a topic of conversation for a very long period 0:08:32.280 --> 0:08:35.160 of time, particularly since twenty twenty. And there are a 0:08:35.240 --> 0:08:37.760 lot of my friends and individuals who are not in 0:08:37.840 --> 0:08:40.880 these spaces, who have these conversations, who simply don't give 0:08:40.920 --> 0:08:43.280 it the credence or value it deserves, simply because we 0:08:43.320 --> 0:08:45.880 don't understand what people are saying. Thanks for mansk, go ahead, 0:08:45.920 --> 0:08:46.360 appreciate it. 0:08:46.920 --> 0:08:50.040 That's oh wow's funny. 0:08:50.080 --> 0:08:51.040 It's funny enough too. 0:08:51.200 --> 0:08:51.559 I make this. 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:54.520 I make the distinction that it started out as a 0:08:55.360 --> 0:08:58.040 appraisal of what happens on film because Moya was on 0:08:58.080 --> 0:09:00.679 Spilman's campus when Nellie I had to visit, and it 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.839 was right after the tip Drill video, and that was 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:05.160 the area of feminism. We're black women, We're not having 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.800 the ass shaking, especially like in a man's purview and 0:09:07.880 --> 0:09:10.000 the host slide in the car down. The thing created 0:09:10.080 --> 0:09:15.679 a whole like cluster fun chocolate yes on Spellman's campus. 0:09:15.880 --> 0:09:18.439 And so this is where the theory derived from. But 0:09:18.520 --> 0:09:21.760 it has implications and all other settings. 0:09:24.320 --> 0:09:28.199 Okay, this is the thing that I think is important 0:09:28.200 --> 0:09:32.079 here too because when Rogue DNC tried to throw to 0:09:32.200 --> 0:09:34.640 his black friend the N double a CP, the N 0:09:34.679 --> 0:09:37.360 double a CP responded in kind because two of the 0:09:37.480 --> 0:09:45.960 people involved in uh his hula hoopla it were nominated 0:09:46.320 --> 0:09:49.160 for actual N double a CP Image Awards this year. 0:09:49.520 --> 0:09:52.959 Elizabeth Booker Houston Booker squared that she's done on social 0:09:53.000 --> 0:09:55.960 and of course our dear sister linee Vanie for everyone 0:09:56.240 --> 0:09:59.599 who's confused about how to pronounce then it is not 0:10:00.280 --> 0:10:02.319 with her first name. We didn't even do it in 0:10:02.400 --> 0:10:04.920 a second show Andrew you was good. So this is 0:10:04.920 --> 0:10:08.560 what N DOUAACP says. Everyone has the right to share 0:10:08.640 --> 0:10:10.800 their opinions. Well, let me first say what he said first. 0:10:10.880 --> 0:10:13.960 If I hate black women, how come one nominated media 0:10:14.000 --> 0:10:17.839 get it in DOUBLEACP Award for my community this time? 0:10:18.080 --> 0:10:19.120 Yet? 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:20.000 Let me. 0:10:21.920 --> 0:10:23.840 Let me read it in my voice in his voice. 0:10:24.000 --> 0:10:26.199 If I hate black women, how come one nominated me 0:10:26.280 --> 0:10:28.599 to get it in DOUBLEACP Image Award. I'm sorry n 0:10:28.600 --> 0:10:32.200 DOUBLEACP Award for my community work helping people of color, 0:10:32.520 --> 0:10:36.040 to which the NAACP responded in time. Everyone has the 0:10:36.120 --> 0:10:38.319 right to share their opinions and we fully respect that, 0:10:38.559 --> 0:10:41.400 but let's be clear, the NAACP won't serve as a 0:10:41.480 --> 0:10:44.719 buffer in this debate. Therefore, don't use us as a 0:10:44.840 --> 0:10:47.880 justification for your views, especially when it comes to issues 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.200 that impact black women. We celebrate the voices and experiences 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:53.400 of black women and believe they deserve to be at 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:57.680 the forefront of these discussions. Let's keep the conversation authentic 0:10:57.960 --> 0:11:02.880 and respectful, not focused on our org as justification for position. 0:11:04.160 --> 0:11:06.760 And of the eight minutes tirade that I went on 0:11:06.840 --> 0:11:09.600 the internet about this, my favorite line is and see 0:11:09.679 --> 0:11:12.480 this is why the NAAE of me. 0:11:15.920 --> 0:11:18.440 Yes, this. 0:11:20.160 --> 0:11:22.120 Is why the NAACP is never going to be the 0:11:22.200 --> 0:11:23.959 end doua POC because bitch, just like you don't know 0:11:24.000 --> 0:11:27.199 how to act. Yeah, I'm quite sick of people of 0:11:27.280 --> 0:11:29.719 color coming into our spaces and getting the sort of 0:11:29.760 --> 0:11:33.120 affirmation of validation that you that you can be aligned 0:11:33.160 --> 0:11:36.400 with black liberation movements and then turning right back around 0:11:36.480 --> 0:11:39.840 and forgetting all of all of the respect and courtesy 0:11:39.920 --> 0:11:41.319 that you need to have for black people in this 0:11:41.400 --> 0:11:43.400 fight with you. And another thing that I mentioned is 0:11:43.480 --> 0:11:47.240 the American individualism that that praise on these people that 0:11:47.280 --> 0:11:50.440 they fall victim to newts their ability to be real 0:11:50.559 --> 0:11:52.760 allies to us, because they only want to use us 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.720 as stepping stools. And that infuriates me because I feel 0:11:55.760 --> 0:11:59.720 like we're in this moment where liberation ideology is cool, 0:12:00.080 --> 0:12:03.000 it is a thing to tap into. It's free Palestine, 0:12:03.040 --> 0:12:05.760 it's free Congo, it's free Sudan, it's free Haiti. I'm 0:12:05.760 --> 0:12:08.319 sure you don't know anything about what's going on in Haiti, Sudan, 0:12:08.480 --> 0:12:10.520 or Congo, but you like to say those things because 0:12:10.559 --> 0:12:14.280 it sounds cool. But you've skipped your anti racism education. 0:12:14.480 --> 0:12:18.920 You've stripped cleansing yourself of that thing. And as much 0:12:18.960 --> 0:12:21.959 as I am transforming and evolving in my own ideology 0:12:22.040 --> 0:12:24.480 and theory, in this moment, I'm becoming, I'm beginning to 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:27.839 recognize that racism is not the thing. It's not the 0:12:27.960 --> 0:12:28.439 only thing. 0:12:29.000 --> 0:12:30.680 It is a vehicle. 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.679 It is a conduit for fascism to exist. It makes 0:12:34.720 --> 0:12:39.880 fascism much more easy to perpetuate. But you're gonna fighting 0:12:39.960 --> 0:12:43.360 all these things requires dismantling racism, and people still want 0:12:43.360 --> 0:12:45.319 to skip over it because it serves them in the 0:12:45.640 --> 0:12:48.120 in the short term and not everybody in the long run. 0:12:48.679 --> 0:12:51.319 I want to say really quick here and then be 0:12:51.440 --> 0:12:53.000 I'm gonna yeld to you because I know you have 0:12:53.120 --> 0:12:53.920 to have a heard out. 0:12:54.760 --> 0:12:54.920 You know. 0:12:55.200 --> 0:12:57.480 I want us to be very clear about this, as 0:12:57.559 --> 0:13:03.800 black folks being far left on the political spectrum does 0:13:03.920 --> 0:13:07.520 not mean that you left racism behind. There are white 0:13:07.640 --> 0:13:12.720 liberals who double down in racism and have cover because 0:13:12.760 --> 0:13:15.360 of where they stand on the political spectrum. But if 0:13:15.440 --> 0:13:18.400 you have not left anti blackness behind to use what 0:13:18.520 --> 0:13:21.240 Kimberly Crenshaw told us to use, amen, then you are 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:24.839 still part of the problem. Your politics will not save you. 0:13:25.320 --> 0:13:26.120 And so early. 0:13:26.200 --> 0:13:27.839 I mean, on our last show, you know, I was 0:13:28.480 --> 0:13:32.079 chucking the deuces to the Black Republicans who lost their 0:13:32.559 --> 0:13:35.600 primary racist thinking that they would be elevated because they 0:13:35.640 --> 0:13:38.679 would leave black people behind. But the more you try 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:41.000 to leave us behind, I promise you you reap with you. 0:13:41.120 --> 0:13:43.599 So I promise you karma will visit you, and I 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.439 promise there will be repercussions. 0:13:45.679 --> 0:13:47.360 There just will be, and I think that we have 0:13:47.480 --> 0:13:48.360 to be clear about that. 0:13:48.800 --> 0:13:51.839 As the postwordm goes for these primary campaigns, what you 0:13:52.000 --> 0:13:55.400 cannot do is sacrifice blackness and think that you will 0:13:55.400 --> 0:13:57.520 get ahead on our backs, on our votes, and on 0:13:57.600 --> 0:13:58.400 our people's times. 0:13:58.640 --> 0:14:01.040 That's why I give it. I give a big shout 0:14:01.080 --> 0:14:02.839 out to South Carolina. I give a big shout out 0:14:02.880 --> 0:14:06.599 to sec Tuesday that comes usually after South Carolina, the 0:14:06.679 --> 0:14:10.640 places like Clark County, Nevada. Because we have these candidates 0:14:10.720 --> 0:14:13.680 many times who run for president of the United States, 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:17.079 who run to be standard bearer, and their progressive politics, 0:14:17.480 --> 0:14:21.320 albeit progressive, many times don't align with the politics of race. 0:14:21.800 --> 0:14:24.840 They want to have a separate conversation about economics, liberals. 0:14:26.200 --> 0:14:28.720 The progressive is fine because Bernie Sanders is a progressive 0:14:28.920 --> 0:14:31.800 and he who I'm talking to, right and just because, 0:14:31.920 --> 0:14:33.240 and you know, just because there are a lot of 0:14:33.280 --> 0:14:34.800 people who say, well, you know, he learned at the 0:14:34.840 --> 0:14:37.960 feet of Jesse. He didn't learn everything. And oftentimes there 0:14:38.080 --> 0:14:44.720 is this notion that there is a rising tide lifts 0:14:44.760 --> 0:14:47.680 all boats, or pull yourself up by your bootstraps, and 0:14:47.760 --> 0:14:50.240 you want to have this conversation about economics without having 0:14:50.280 --> 0:14:54.160 this conversation about the issue of race and not understanding 0:14:54.240 --> 0:15:00.400 those two things are so fundamentally intertwined. It drives me nuts. 0:15:00.480 --> 0:15:03.040 And so I will say this, and this is another 0:15:03.120 --> 0:15:05.720 person that we will be watching closely progressives who are 0:15:05.800 --> 0:15:08.240 running for president of the United States. I hope that 0:15:08.360 --> 0:15:10.560 you reach out to Lyney. I hope that you reach 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:12.520 out to Elizabeth. I hope that you reach out to 0:15:12.640 --> 0:15:16.360 others like AOC. I just find her to be someone 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:18.840 who's going to have to have this conversation in this 0:15:18.960 --> 0:15:21.320 battle as well when she runs for president of the 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:23.880 United States. I just I'm not saying that she can't 0:15:24.160 --> 0:15:26.920 overcome it, she can't leap it. I think that Brian 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:31.560 that shats Brian Shatz from Hawaii. I think that old 0:15:31.640 --> 0:15:35.840 boy from a Connecticut what's his name, Andrew Chris Murphy, 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:38.760 Chris Murphy from Connecticut. I think a lot of these 0:15:39.320 --> 0:15:40.920 I like them too, but I think that a lot 0:15:40.960 --> 0:15:43.880 of these individuals need to spend some time before they 0:15:43.960 --> 0:15:46.800 get out there and the light shines upon them having 0:15:46.840 --> 0:15:50.400 these conversations about the way economics intersects with race. 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:53.200 And they should not have the conversations for free. They 0:15:53.240 --> 0:15:55.400 should be paying consultants like they do it all in 0:15:55.480 --> 0:15:56.040 white boys. 0:15:57.680 --> 0:16:00.240 So you got you're not going to do work for 0:16:00.280 --> 0:16:00.800 some black foot. 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:05.480 Of course, because you've said your last word, I'm messing 0:16:05.520 --> 0:16:05.680 with you. 0:16:11.360 --> 0:16:12.720 But you know the one thing I did want to say, 0:16:12.720 --> 0:16:16.440 because because we're not we're not not aware of how 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:23.440 politics works, our conversation about Texas and the flow from 0:16:23.480 --> 0:16:30.200 that and our advice generously given to the nominee, don't 0:16:30.240 --> 0:16:33.640 disqualify our ability to take issue and. 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:39.600 Consider it us not being on the train to want 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:43.160 to be Republicans like we get we can we can 0:16:43.240 --> 0:16:45.040 hold these things together. 0:16:45.800 --> 0:16:47.720 I do not want a. 0:16:49.480 --> 0:16:52.080 Terrible Republican who's about to prop up Trump going back 0:16:52.080 --> 0:16:55.040 to Washington representing the state of Texas. At the same time, 0:16:55.800 --> 0:16:59.680 in our rush to move on and unify, we leave 0:16:59.760 --> 0:17:06.439 these really gaping deep swells an injury in our body 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:09.879 that you just want us to wear. You want us 0:17:09.920 --> 0:17:13.879 to just persist through. And we can name it, we 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:16.000 can claim it, we can call it out, we can 0:17:16.160 --> 0:17:18.880 say it and still be on the team to want 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:22.119 to defeat fascism and racism in all its forms and 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.480 how it shows up politically, so just for the folks, 0:17:24.520 --> 0:17:26.680 because I know it happens all the time we're trying 0:17:26.720 --> 0:17:29.160 to win. I don't know why y'all talking about We're 0:17:29.200 --> 0:17:32.200 going to talk about We're gonna talk about it because 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:32.920 we can't be this. 0:17:33.160 --> 0:17:33.520 We can't. 0:17:33.680 --> 0:17:37.200 We cannot paper over this. The injuries are too deep 0:17:37.280 --> 0:17:41.120 sometimes and you're papering over it leads to the defeat anyway, 0:17:42.040 --> 0:17:46.879 So call it out, make recompense, and then we can 0:17:47.000 --> 0:17:50.880 move forward. But don't don't don't make me the front. 0:17:50.960 --> 0:17:52.520 I got to sacrifice, so I got to be on 0:17:52.560 --> 0:17:55.840 the suicide mission. So you can feel right that we 0:17:55.920 --> 0:17:56.720 got the right energy. 0:17:57.680 --> 0:17:59.720 There's something I want to call back to because and 0:17:59.880 --> 0:18:02.359 just trying to describe a situation, I think I missed 0:18:02.400 --> 0:18:04.480 out on a point that's been actually really sticking out 0:18:04.520 --> 0:18:06.199 to me as I'm doing a lot more writing up 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:10.840 y'all working on the book, so are a lot more 0:18:11.080 --> 0:18:14.920 writing and just parsing out what this moment feels like 0:18:14.960 --> 0:18:19.120 truly and what I'm learning. But the massagyn War in particular, 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:22.000 as I said, was the fact that there was this 0:18:22.119 --> 0:18:25.200 dog piling on jasmine for an issue people rightfully should 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:30.680 take issue with the massage war in that James was 0:18:30.720 --> 0:18:32.920 not given the same treatment or the conversation was not 0:18:33.000 --> 0:18:37.440 about the two of them equally or even equitably. But 0:18:37.600 --> 0:18:40.200 even with this critique, I'm trying to be careful with 0:18:40.240 --> 0:18:42.119 my words because of the idea that I'm still developing, 0:18:42.119 --> 0:18:43.480 But I still think there's some truth to it that 0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:46.679 we need to harness, like early, especially as we come 0:18:46.800 --> 0:18:52.160 up on November elections. I feel like the sort of demand, 0:18:52.520 --> 0:18:57.080 the unwavering and unequivocal demand that we're making on moral 0:18:57.119 --> 0:19:00.520 compass and purity checking. I understand, for instance, I hear 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:03.240 often I draw the line at genocide and there is 0:19:03.359 --> 0:19:06.200 no wiggle room around that, and I absolutely understand that 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:11.920 anybody with a heart or any humanitarian, altruistic spirit would 0:19:12.080 --> 0:19:16.520 feel the same thing. I don't know that Americans have 0:19:16.720 --> 0:19:20.240 earned the right to move like that. I don't think 0:19:20.280 --> 0:19:24.440 Americans have created a government structure to be able to 0:19:25.760 --> 0:19:28.600 just knock people out of the game, because where are 0:19:28.920 --> 0:19:32.200 there was not another option besides James or Jasmine that 0:19:32.280 --> 0:19:35.840 Texas election for someone to choose in alignment with their 0:19:36.080 --> 0:19:40.280 ideas or ideology surrounding what's going on in Gaza. So 0:19:40.359 --> 0:19:45.119 I'm just wondering how we pull back on the hypocrisy. 0:19:46.240 --> 0:19:47.960 And actually move with. 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.480 Strategy, and the strategy feels like a really impersonal world 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:56.040 when we're talking about impersonal word, when we're talking about 0:19:56.040 --> 0:19:58.280 the extermination of a people. So I know conversations like 0:19:58.320 --> 0:20:03.080 this are not comfortable just saying we are the most 0:20:03.119 --> 0:20:05.080 of us, I want to say, you guys, but most 0:20:05.119 --> 0:20:07.560 of us, especially my generation, are just arriving to this 0:20:07.640 --> 0:20:10.640 amount of clarity in terms of how our government works, 0:20:10.760 --> 0:20:12.600 how we can engage in it, and how we can 0:20:12.680 --> 0:20:14.880 demand more out of the people that we elect. We're 0:20:15.080 --> 0:20:17.320 just getting here, and so I don't know that we 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:20.280 have the options for what we're requiring. 0:20:20.680 --> 0:20:21.280 Does that make sense? 0:20:21.520 --> 0:20:23.720 It makes perfect sense, I would say to you to 0:20:23.960 --> 0:20:26.639 linay like, it's a hell of a time to be 0:20:26.720 --> 0:20:28.920 coming to that conclusion, because the way in which we 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:31.359 can petition our government is changing. We have someone that 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:34.760 is seeking to become an authoritarian leader, and so those 0:20:34.840 --> 0:20:38.080 options are being foreclosed upon before our very eyes. 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:40.879 You know, the Speaker of the House saying just days. 0:20:40.600 --> 0:20:44.000 Ago that Donald Trump shouldn't have to get congressional approval 0:20:44.280 --> 0:20:48.320 to go into Iran is something. It's notable. It's it major, 0:20:48.920 --> 0:20:51.000 you know. And I think the other piece around this 0:20:51.280 --> 0:20:54.080 is on top of a purity test. If you draw 0:20:54.160 --> 0:20:58.680 the line at genocide and neither candidate in the primary 0:20:58.880 --> 0:21:01.639 speak to speak strongly enough on the issue, then that 0:21:01.720 --> 0:21:04.200