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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome to the Drive. I am Dale LOLLI he

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson and it is the Wednesday before

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Speaker 2: the Thursday Night Armageddon in Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Yep, yep. Hopefully next time we convene, the Steelers will

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Speaker 3: be nine and two because we won't be here tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: That would be unbelievable. Yes, we will be back on

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Speaker 3: intro music. By the way. That a new tune there

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Speaker 3: justin now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you got to listen to these things.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you're like, I'm gearing up. I'm in the zone

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Speaker 3: before we hit play Man.

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Speaker 2: You're you're hearing Jimmy, but you're not listening to Jimmy.

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Speaker 3: I don't need the intry music. I'm ready on the

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Speaker 3: battle with the battle ahead, not to walk up to

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Speaker 3: the ring.

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Speaker 2: I like him. When I dropped these random movie references

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Speaker 2: into this, I didn't know Show That's White Men You

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Speaker 2: Can't Jump.

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Speaker 3: I've seen it, but it's been a hundred million years.

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Speaker 3: It's a good movie. It's a good movie. I can't

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Speaker 3: quote it though.

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Speaker 2: So every once in a while, drop a reference like it.

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Speaker 2: I threw one in there the other day from the

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Speaker 2: Princess Bride. Yeah, I went right over your head. One

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Speaker 2: of our listeners caught it.

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Speaker 3: I know that one. I'm actually ashamed that I've never

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Speaker 3: seen Princess bred, which is I should never admit that, befop.

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Speaker 3: I know all the lore, and I've had this conversation

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Speaker 3: with the hundred people, but I still never.

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Speaker 2: Say they wrote apart specifically for Andre the Giant.

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Speaker 3: Now I know about it, right, And Jeney's in it too.

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Speaker 3: There you go, here's this guy. Here's good, it's very good. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yes, let's get the task at hand here, let's go absolutely,

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Speaker 2: let's do that. Ah, Steelers Brown's injury report for the Steelers.

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Speaker 2: It's sort of a farce a little bit, but okay, uh,

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Speaker 2: they're not activating Corey Trice no reason. Yeah yeah, uh

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Speaker 2: so he will continue to be on windows open that. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and they still have another week to make a decision

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Speaker 2: on that. And we all already knew Alex Highsmith was out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so that's it, that's it. Yeah. Yeah, you'll take

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Speaker 3: that all day long after on a short week after

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Speaker 3: a Ravens game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, get y up on the brown side of things,

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Speaker 2: not as rosie from what and so they had another

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Speaker 2: estimated practice today. They did not conduct practice on Wednesday.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers did a walk through before they head to Cleveland.

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Speaker 3: Coach me up on that though estimated practice. So no

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Speaker 3: one walked out on a field today apparently not. Okay,

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Speaker 3: that's what I'm taking this as, because they they had

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Speaker 3: meetings and were football players yeah today, but why not

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Speaker 3: at least I don't know. I don't know.

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Speaker 2: So when their estimation Joel Botonio, who was limited on

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Speaker 2: Monday's estimated practice and Tuesday's real practice, was a full

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Speaker 2: participant today, that sounds great, okay. Jordan Hicks, Maurice Hurst,

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy all full participants today.

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Speaker 3: They were. They're basically telling us all those guys are

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Speaker 3: gonna play.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Miles Garrett listed as limited today but has no injury designation. Fine,

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Speaker 2: I mean this is like he didn't practice yesterday, the

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Speaker 2: only day that they actually practiced.

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Speaker 3: Right with the hip issue, and he didn't do a thing, then.

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Speaker 2: Didn't do a thing and was listed as a limited

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Speaker 2: participant today, but not when they didn't do it, when

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Speaker 2: nobody did a thing, but not because of a hip Yeah,

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Speaker 2: has no injury designation. Elijah Moore limited on Monday and Tuesday.

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Speaker 2: Monday again the limit of the estimated practice, listed as

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Speaker 2: a full participant today. David and Joku same thing. Limited limited,

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Speaker 2: full participant in the estimated practice. Greg Newsom limited limited,

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Speaker 2: full participant in today's estimated practice with the shoulder injury.

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Speaker 2: Jeff Swain, he has a concussion. He is not playing.

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Speaker 2: Could have called that one.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's sort of interesting though. I mean, I know

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Speaker 3: they eat up all the stabs. But Sway might have

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Speaker 3: been your chipper. You mean he might have been a

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for sure.

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Speaker 2: And then Uh, Denzel Ward limited limited, full participant today

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Speaker 3: Healthier than I thought.

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Speaker 2: Jedrick Wills did not practice on Monday's estimated practice, limited

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I would saying I think there's more going on

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Speaker 2: After he's he said he made a business decision earlier

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Speaker 3: And I think he was too banged up to trade

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Speaker 3: he is, but he's not playing.

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Speaker 2: So that leaves them with what's the offensive tackle situation?

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Speaker 2: They have Conklin, who's their starting right tackle, and.

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Speaker 3: He's battled injuries throughout the year and isn't quite him

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Jermaine Iffetti, okay, is the other only other

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Speaker 2: tackle on the active roster. Now they got they can obviously.

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Speaker 3: I'm sure they'll boost somebody or two, but Conklin's going

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Speaker 2: Nor do I because you're going to have to help

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Speaker 3: He's a bad player. I mean, he's been in a

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Speaker 3: a m Yeah, I mean he's been in league ten

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Speaker 3: not quite a tackle. He's been a swing guy. He's

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Speaker 3: been on eight hundred teams. Yeah, but he's still in

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Speaker 3: the league and he's made millions of dollars. So he's

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Speaker 3: had a good career. But you're pretty excited to play

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not. You're not upset. No, I'm just looking

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Speaker 2: here at their roster overall on their website to see

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Speaker 3: I mean, they've practiced squad tackles.

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Speaker 2: So I want to see it. Yeah, I want to

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Speaker 2: see what they have on the practice squad and offense

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Speaker 2: to their guards.

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Speaker 3: Are too is? Could any of them be a bump

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Speaker 2: They've got Drawn Christian as well, apparently that they've added

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Speaker 3: Not the BYU Christian. That's Jake Christian.

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Speaker 2: He's from Louisville, seventh year in the league. I vaguely

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Speaker 3: Let's put it that way. I don't. That's about the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm just looking at his career numbers here. He

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Speaker 3: He's a practice squatter.

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Speaker 2: No, he's on the active right. He started twenty five

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Speaker 3: Okay, so hope he starts twenty six.

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Speaker 2: I would imagine it's going to be if.

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Speaker 3: That seems like the best option I've heard yet. I mean,

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Speaker 3: he's played, he seems more of a right in a guard.

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Speaker 2: I'm not even seeing they. I think they list him

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Speaker 2: not listened under the tackles. Yeah, he's listed as a

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Speaker 3: Some tackle, Yeah, he definitely has.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so it might be him, all right, but yeah, fine,

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Speaker 2: So I mean they have a bunch of right tackles, yeah,

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Speaker 3: No, And I mean that might be the biggest there's

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Speaker 3: a lot, might be the biggest Steeler advantage. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: mean that tackle group is suspected on a good day.

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Speaker 2: On the practice squad, they have a keem Adenji, the

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Speaker 2: kid out of Kansas. He's anymore, he's five years in

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Speaker 2: the league. Again, just another dude, and James Hudson and

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Speaker 2: that's why, that's that's why, that's our wrong.

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Speaker 3: He left. Not that he's great either.

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Speaker 2: But on the practice squad they have Roy m but Kada.

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Speaker 2: He is a first year player who has no college

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Speaker 3: Strange.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he's six eight, three hundred and thirty pounds. Doesn't

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Speaker 2: sound like a left tackle, sounds more like.

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Speaker 3: A right He's not a guard.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is the only one that they have.

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Speaker 2: So they're a little thin at tackle, they're brutal to tackle. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and again Jamis likes to throw the ball down the field.

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Speaker 3: You're right, I mean I think you have to change

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Speaker 3: the way you pass the football if you're the Browns,

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Speaker 3: which doesn't suit Winston strength at all. Or what the

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Speaker 3: what's their tight end depth chart if you're still much close?

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Speaker 2: I have it here though, Okay, last week, so you

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Speaker 3: Swam's the blocker. I say Aikins is like two hundred

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Speaker 3: Who's the chipper? I mean Ford Chubb.

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Speaker 2: Maybe, but they don't have a fullback on their roster.

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Speaker 3: No, I know, I know. I mean, like, who's in

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Speaker 3: line help for for tackles that aren't good? Yeah, I'm

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Speaker 3: not seeing any answers at all. No, and this is

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it doesn't think it pretty.

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Speaker 3: So Steelers played the Browns this week, play the Bengals

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Speaker 3: in ten days after that. Yeah, I think they're can

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Speaker 3: get like a dozen sacks in those games. I think

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Speaker 3: they're to rush the pass right, sounds about right. I

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Speaker 3: think they're going to rush the passer in a different

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Speaker 3: manner than they have. It's not a mush rush. Contained

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Speaker 3: keep him in there.

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Speaker 2: You can actually get after that, especially James, you can

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Speaker 2: get after him.

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Speaker 3: I think it's just like put a rocket on your

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Speaker 3: too far up the field, come back and get them.

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Speaker 3: You know, whatever he runs for a couple of yards,

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Speaker 3: go get them. I think they have a million sacks

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's you know, the sack numbers are

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Speaker 2: down over all for the Steelers this year. We could

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Speaker 2: see it's a ten sack game coming up in one

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Speaker 2: of these two games against the Browns, indoor Bengals or

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Speaker 2: the second matchup against the Browns and or Bengals.

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Speaker 3: And they've blitzed a lot the last two weeks, particularly

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Speaker 3: on early downs. I don't know, you have to, yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know that. I would play it just straight up.

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Speaker 3: Everyone knows their assignment.

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Speaker 2: Back in coverage. Don't give up the big play because

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Speaker 2: that's what they want to do.

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Speaker 3: A lot of cover three stuff. He's not early in

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Speaker 3: the season rush four. I just don't see a great

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Speaker 3: you if you get aggressive with blitzes. Yeah, and if

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Speaker 3: Jamis is going to hold the ball for long, developing stuff,

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Speaker 3: best of luck. You know.

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Speaker 2: And he, as you said, is aggressive. He's no, he's

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Speaker 2: Of weeks because, I mean, they've done this to themselves,

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Speaker 3: They've made it worse.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they made it worse. His camp pit next year

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Speaker 3: The guy got that can't play. Yeah, I mean I

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Speaker 2: And even if you do it after June first, Yeah,

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Speaker 3: So still might be the move. It might be, But

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Speaker 2: No, it's gonna be a top ten pick. Though you're

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Speaker 2: Probably it's hard to sell the owner on that one.

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Speaker 3: And then if you do trade for Watson, you just say,

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Speaker 2: The Browns did it.

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Speaker 3: He just was wasn't good and he wasn't worth the money. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: He didn't sign a bad he signed a good cause.

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Speaker 3: He's signed a great contract. Yeah, his agent ended quite well.

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Speaker 3: The Texans signed a bad car.

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Speaker 2: You know, looking at this, the Steelers are the They're

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm Thursday short week is the only thing I

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Speaker 2: See you've struggled there, we say, you know lately. Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 3: No. I mean the fact that Ben was the winningest

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Speaker 2: I mean, they had even last year. He's still a

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Speaker 2: Now they're a bottom feeder.

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Speaker 3: Now their bottom feeder. Yeah, I mean you should. They

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Speaker 2: I will say this. The weather is supposed to could

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Speaker 3: The why I thought that, though, is maybe it slows

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Speaker 2: I'm not worried about that though, because if it's snowing

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Speaker 2: Chrump is done.

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Speaker 3: You know you don't have to argue with him. I

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Speaker 2: I mean, he might be better next year, and I

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Speaker 3: I just wonder what the surface is like. Snow's not

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Speaker 2: But the team that runs the foot roll ball, I

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Speaker 2: mean Russell Wilson. I'm sorry, Arthur Smith will Ad just

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Speaker 3: Tom and I were talking with this on the Advanced

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Speaker 2: Just win it.

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Speaker 3: It's a business trip. Get up there every time you can.

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Speaker 3: And he threw that out there, and I'm like, the

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this could be one of those kind of games.

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Speaker 2: And the Steelers are built to do that. Yeah, I

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Speaker 3: I saidn't saynything last night is like hand it off

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Speaker 2: That's a win, and you have the better defense.

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Speaker 2: against that offensive line, they'll dominate them.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean right, if that's the game plan for

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Speaker 3: both teams, the Browns went with the.

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Speaker 2: Ball all they might, they might not have a one

444
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Speaker 2: hundred yards in this game if that's the way, if

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Speaker 2: that's what the weather turns into. So I just think

446
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Speaker 2: that favors the Steelers in a big way if the

447
00:19:05,920 --> 00:19:08,560
Speaker 2: weather gets nasty, and to your point, usually it is

448
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Speaker 2: it does help the team that doesn't it isn't as talented.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it could be an equalizer.

450
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Speaker 2: But in this instance, huh huh, I'm.

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Speaker 3: Sure Tom will just hand it off handed off, handed, off,

452
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Speaker 3: hand off, right, Yeah, do it.

453
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Speaker 2: You didn't have to tell Arthur Smith to do that.

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Speaker 3: I might do that if it's a perfect day.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, let's get in here, let's shorten this game, get

456
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Speaker 2: the hell out of here with the win, and go

457
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Speaker 2: home and get ready right righteah, and Bill for.

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Speaker 3: It, because I don't think the Browns are going to

459
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Speaker 3: be super interested in tackling or dealing with Darnell Washington

460
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Speaker 3: and Najie Harris.

461
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Speaker 2: Michael Pruett is back for this game. Like that's I'm

462
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Speaker 2: talking about late in the game when it matters most.

463
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Speaker 2: But I think you're you know, you're gonna see the

464
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Speaker 2: body blow a lot of twelve and thirteen personnel and

465
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Speaker 2: just pound the ball down and maybe the extra lineman's

466
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Speaker 2: out there, you know, just pound the ball down their throat.

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Speaker 3: Yep. People were asking me, do you think this is

468
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Speaker 3: the game Mike Williams really takes over as the number two.

469
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Speaker 3: I'm like, I don't know that you're going to see

470
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Speaker 3: even two receivers on the field all that often. I mean,

471
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Speaker 3: it could be a back.

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Speaker 2: Pickings and three tight ends a lot a lot, a

473
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Speaker 2: lot a lot and do it and passers to the

474
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Speaker 2: backs and things of that nature. When you do actually

475
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Speaker 2: throw the football screens into.

476
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Speaker 3: Washington on Garrett side and go from there.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you deal with So how about this one? Yesterday

478
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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson was talking about Darnell Washington.

479
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Speaker 3: He's quickly becoming my favorite player, by the way, he said.

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Speaker 2: He said he weighs three hundred and five pounds.

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Speaker 4: I believe it.

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Speaker 3: I say he is as you I meant to say

483
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Speaker 3: this last year or last week. He's as unique as

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Speaker 3: Patrick Ricard. Yeah, you know, but maybe more more so

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Speaker 3: because he's six ' eight.

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Speaker 2: And he actually can catch past He actually can run

487
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Speaker 2: right better than Recard runs for a guy that side guard.

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Speaker 3: He runs really well.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but this is a tight end who still can

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Speaker 2: move well off.

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Speaker 3: He's not the I'd rather have Washington on my fantasy team. Yeah,

492
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Speaker 3: he might score three fantasy points or catch a touchdown

493
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Speaker 3: record won't.

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Speaker 2: Re Card is not going to do that, right right,

495
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Speaker 2: But he's not the pass catcher. I think that people

496
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Speaker 2: envision him when they drafted because of the oh, look

497
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Speaker 2: at the measurables and all that stuff. But he's a

498
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Speaker 2: hell of it for that a guy that size. He's

499
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Speaker 2: a ridiculous athlete.

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Speaker 3: He's a ridiculous athlete, and frankly, I'm not so sure

501
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Speaker 3: if he dedicated himself full time to put in a tackle.

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Speaker 3: He couldn't be a tackle. Yeah, I mean some of

503
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Speaker 3: the things he did to Oway in that game, I

504
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Speaker 3: mean threw him out of.

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Speaker 1: The bar like.

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Speaker 3: I mean, it took him and threw him away, you know,

507
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Speaker 3: like things you don't see in the NFL field very often. No,

508
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:31,040
Speaker 3: he's and if he's three oh five, he's sixty pounds

509
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Speaker 3: every no way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know he's a big dude. Yeah, he should

511
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Speaker 2: bang with Garrett absolutely. Let's get to a break. He

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Speaker 2: is the Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolly. You're listening

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Speaker 2: to the Drive here on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt, Now,

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Speaker 2: I'll be back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: And welcome back. I am Dale Lolly. He is the

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Speaker 2: Matt Williamson and we're joined on the Justin Miller Hotline

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Speaker 2: by the Dean of Doom, the Lord of living in

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Speaker 2: his fears, Bob Labriola. Bob, how you doing today? Are

522
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Speaker 2: we living in our fears on a short work week.

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Speaker 4: I'll tell you what I'm not living in nearly the

524
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Speaker 4: degree of fears or doom. Is anyone who might be

525
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Speaker 4: getting in a car anytime soon driving to northeast Ohio?

526
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Speaker 4: Is there anybody that I'm talking to that might be

527
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Speaker 4: doing that.

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Speaker 2: You might be talking to somebody that's doing just that.

529
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Speaker 2: But it's not something I haven't done before, because I

530
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Speaker 2: think every time the Steelers play up there, the weather

531
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Speaker 2: has to be ridiculous.

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Speaker 4: It's like, well, I mean, yes, I.

533
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Speaker 2: Think I think people who actually live in Cleveland know

534
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Speaker 2: when the first snow is coming based on when the

535
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Speaker 2: first game against the Steelers happens to be.

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Speaker 3: Wait until the NFL schedule comes up, you know.

537
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Speaker 4: And even even you know, in the there were a

538
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Speaker 4: lot of years when the Steelers would open there, you know,

539
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Speaker 4: open the season. It was miserable.

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Speaker 3: But it didn't snow then.

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Speaker 4: But that doesn't mean it wasn't miserable.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I can remember being up there in

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Speaker 2: September one year walking to the stadium and the wind's

544
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Speaker 2: blowing like sixty mile an hour. In my face. I'm like,

545
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Speaker 2: it's like seventy degrees up but there's like this sixty

546
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Speaker 2: mile an hour wind, Like it's just never nice there.

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Speaker 4: No, I don't think Mother Nature likes Cleveland either. I

548
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Speaker 4: think really, I think Mother Nature, you know, regularly takes

549
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Speaker 4: the visiting team and you know, gives the points.

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Speaker 2: Could very well be the case. I've been to like

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Speaker 2: you know, San Dusky and things like that's beautiful.

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Speaker 3: There, Yeah, right up there.

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Speaker 4: You go to.

554
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Speaker 2: Cleveland forty miles to the east or however far it is,

555
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Speaker 2: and it's just like, eh, this happened.

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Speaker 3: There were a lot of mornings where I walked out

557
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Speaker 3: of my apartment and didn't know what car was mine.

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Speaker 3: You know, it was just so much snow on all

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Speaker 3: of them, Like I think I parked here, and you

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Speaker 3: uncover one and it wasn't mine.

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Speaker 2: Hey, thanks, Yeah, that.

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Speaker 4: Would be brutal.

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Speaker 3: That's worse. You're not sure you're down to two or three? Right, Yeah,

564
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Speaker 3: that wasn't even mine, So Bob.

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Speaker 2: The Steelers get a big win on Sunday over the

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens. They now have a two game lead in

567
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Speaker 2: the division in the lost column, which is what really matters,

568
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Speaker 2: essentially a three game lead because or at least two

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Speaker 2: and a half game because the Ravens have two division losses.

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Speaker 2: But I will mention this. That other division loss for

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Speaker 2: the Ravens came against Cleveland in Cleveland.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean the Browns still, you know, they're They're

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Speaker 4: not as Juju Smith Schuster once famously said, the Browns

574
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Speaker 4: is the Browns. But every now and then, you know

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Speaker 4: they will, you know, rise up and bite somebody in

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Speaker 4: the butt if you're not you know, paying attention. And

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Speaker 4: so yeah, I mean, but what I think is the

578
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Speaker 4: situation is this, Jameis Winston is now the Browns quarterback.

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Speaker 4: And if you look at his history as a professional, okay,

580
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Speaker 4: he was a number one overall pick in twenty fifteen,

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Speaker 4: he was an immediate day one starter Tampa Bay and

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Speaker 4: during his five years there, James Winston, over the course

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Speaker 4: of his career, at different times, he's led the NFL

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Speaker 4: in attempts, yards, and interceptions, okay, and he also averaged

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Speaker 4: at least nineteen touchdown passes per game. So James Winston

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Speaker 4: is this if you know he's he's a gunslinger and

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Speaker 4: if you give him time and don't catch the balls,

588
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Speaker 4: he's gonna throw to you because he does do that.

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Speaker 4: As you know, his history indicates he'll beat you. Because

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Speaker 4: and when he beat the Browns Kyle Hamilton dropped an

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Speaker 4: interception that ends that game, and you catch that and

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Speaker 4: the game's over. He didn't, and a couple of plays later,

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Speaker 4: maybe it was the next play, I don't remember, he

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Speaker 4: threw a touchdown pass and I don't I don't know

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Speaker 4: who caught that either. You know, uh.

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Speaker 2: The money oh okay, Cedric okay.

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Speaker 4: But uh so you know, if if you give him,

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Speaker 4: if you give him time, uh, you know, and don't

599
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Speaker 4: take advantage to the opportunities he's going to give you,

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Speaker 4: and you don't sack him, then he could throw for

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Speaker 4: three hundred and thirty five yards and three touchdowns and

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Speaker 4: you bloes as the Ravens did, or if you do

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Speaker 4: pressure him and catch the balls that he throws to

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Speaker 4: you like the Chargers did the next week. I think

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Speaker 4: it was you sack them six times and intercept them

606
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Speaker 4: three times and you win easy. So to me, it's, uh,

607
00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,879
Speaker 4: it's gonna be taking advantage of the defense. Steelers defense,

608
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:24,720
Speaker 4: taking advantage of their opportunities because they're gonna come. And

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Speaker 4: the other thing I think is a significant factor. You know,

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Speaker 4: you can say, look at the Browns and they've lost

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Speaker 4: seven of eight and they're two and eight on the

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00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,760
Speaker 4: season and all that they have problems. Well, in particular,

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Speaker 4: they have an offensive tackle problem for tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Major Winston hold right exactly.

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Speaker 4: The Wan Jones is out for the season. Jedrick Willis,

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Speaker 4: who has was replacing him at left tackle, has been

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Speaker 4: ruled out of the game. Today's status report is out. Uh,

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Speaker 4: and they listen to one or excuse me, Jedrick Willis

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Speaker 4: is out. So you got Jack Conklin and some guy

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Speaker 4: that they signed off the Rams practice squad that used

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Speaker 4: to be on their roster. That's what they're going with.

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Speaker 4: And the other thing I like about this from the

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Speaker 4: Steelers standpoint is, you know, Miles Garrett's doing a little

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Speaker 4: talking about his Defensive Player of the Year award. I

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00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 4: don't know, yeah, right, and that guy too, you know

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Speaker 4: t J Watt poke that bear. That's how stupid is that?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, yeah, right?

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Speaker 4: Or whoever is going to end up blocking, We're not yeah,

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Speaker 4: because if they're going to keep Conkling on the right side,

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Speaker 4: then that would be him, that would be his problem

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Speaker 4: if they move him around. I mean, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I have no idea how the brow are deploy their tackles. Uh.

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Speaker 4: And so you know, again, this is one of those

634
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 4: games where for me, the Steelers just have to resist

635
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,200
Speaker 4: helping the Browns at all. Catch the ball when Jamis

636
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,280
Speaker 4: throws it to you, because as as I think it

637
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 4: was Matt who said, you know he's gonna hold onto it.

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00:29:20,120 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 4: I mean, he's not a checkdown guy. He's never been that, right.

639
00:29:25,440 --> 00:29:28,600
Speaker 4: And in their running game, Nick Chubb is not Nick

640
00:29:28,680 --> 00:29:34,520
Speaker 4: Chubb yet Jerome Ford is okay, but again, uh, you know,

641
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:37,280
Speaker 4: play sound run defense, catch the ball when they when

642
00:29:37,280 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 4: he throws it to you, in treat the their offensive

643
00:29:41,760 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 4: tackles like the turnstiles that they are, you know, don't

644
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 4: turn it over and get on the buses to come

645
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,640
Speaker 4: back to Pittsburgh with a win because it really nothing

646
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Speaker 4: else matters in this game except that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just can't turn into one of those games where

648
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 2: the Steelers go in there's be some snow in the

649
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: in the forecast, that's going to be windy, and you

650
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Speaker 2: go out there and try to throw the ball forty times.

651
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Speaker 2: We've seen that before up there and it didn't work

652
00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:11,680
Speaker 2: so well. Run the football punts aren't a bad thing

653
00:30:11,720 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 2: in this game.

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Speaker 4: Well, you know what they say, Matt, you know it's

655
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Speaker 4: not every if you make every possession and with a

656
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:19,960
Speaker 4: kick you'll win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think that's everyone. This is a business trip.

658
00:30:25,360 --> 00:30:27,080
Speaker 3: If they win to nothing, I don't care, you know

659
00:30:27,080 --> 00:30:27,400
Speaker 3: what I mean?

660
00:30:28,000 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 4: Right exactly?

661
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 2: How about this Labs the team that the Browns this

662
00:30:33,880 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 2: season have broken one hundred rushing yards three times, none

663
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,600
Speaker 2: of those have come at home. They haven't run for

664
00:30:41,600 --> 00:30:44,520
Speaker 2: one hundred yards in a home game this season. They

665
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:47,760
Speaker 2: can't run the football with all the money that they're

666
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 2: spending on that offensive lineman and running backs and things

667
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 2: of that nature. Turn this into you want to turn

668
00:30:55,000 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 2: this into a rock fight because they don't have any rocks.

669
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: Well, yeah, they're not really interested in playing that way either.

670
00:31:03,640 --> 00:31:06,440
Speaker 3: No, So I'm just you know.

671
00:31:06,400 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 4: My concerns quote unquote concerns for tomorrow night are you know,

672
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:18,360
Speaker 4: the physical condition of the Steelers players because when you

673
00:31:18,400 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 4: played the Ravens sixty minutes, thank god it didn't go overtime,

674
00:31:23,040 --> 00:31:27,160
Speaker 4: because sixty minutes against the Ravens is enough. You know,

675
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,400
Speaker 4: that's that's physically draining. I'm sure there's a lot of

676
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:34,720
Speaker 4: sore people. And you know traditionally you're that way anyway

677
00:31:35,920 --> 00:31:40,200
Speaker 4: for a Thursday night game, but coming off a Ravens

678
00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 4: game and then playing on a Thursday night, I think

679
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 4: pushes that to the to the outer limit of you know,

680
00:31:48,640 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 4: being able to handle it and don't turn it over,

681
00:31:53,560 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 4: don't get don't get adventurous with the football. Punting is okay,

682
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: and you know, just get through it.

683
00:32:03,120 --> 00:32:05,120
Speaker 3: Yeah. That was when the when the schedule came out,

684
00:32:05,160 --> 00:32:09,080
Speaker 3: I thought, Uh, what a nasty draw that is, you know,

685
00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,120
Speaker 3: Ravens and then you've got to go to the Browns.

686
00:32:11,160 --> 00:32:13,160
Speaker 3: But that's when I thought the Browns might be acceptable.

687
00:32:13,760 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 3: And then I you know, dig in this week, as

688
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 3: we've been talking here these last couple of minutes, there's

689
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 3: just not many avenues where the Browns can win on paper,

690
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:25,560
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Yeah, Miles Garrett's gonna cause problems.

691
00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:28,760
Speaker 3: Winston might get hot and throw for over three hundred

692
00:32:28,800 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 3: yards possibly if the weather allows it. But I mean

693
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 3: I'm stretching here, you know.

694
00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:39,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, And you know, and again the Steelers have to

695
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 4: understand that be on paper, things you know aren't necessarily going,

696
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,880
Speaker 4: aren't necessarily going to hold true to form, because you

697
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:56,480
Speaker 4: know there is it's not Steelers Ravens, but Steelers Browns.

698
00:32:56,560 --> 00:32:58,680
Speaker 4: You know, there's not a lot of love loss there either.

699
00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:00,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean on pape, on paper, they should have

700
00:33:00,920 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: beaten Dallas. On paper, they should have beaten the Colts.

701
00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,280
Speaker 3: And it's a standalone game, and those Browns guys are

702
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:07,840
Speaker 3: proud and know everyone's.

703
00:33:07,520 --> 00:33:13,760
Speaker 4: Watching too, right, And so again I'm not predicting it's

704
00:33:13,800 --> 00:33:18,000
Speaker 4: going to be easy or necessarily smooth or you know,

705
00:33:18,080 --> 00:33:21,680
Speaker 4: smooth sailing. Certainly not on the shores of Lake Erie

706
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:27,320
Speaker 4: on a night like tomorrow. But you know, it's it

707
00:33:27,400 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 4: should be doable, and you know that whole You know, Matt,

708
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,160
Speaker 4: you were talking about to draw when the schedule came out.

709
00:33:34,440 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 4: You know, that to me was why it would have

710
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:44,320
Speaker 4: been competitively unfair to move that Ravens game tonight. Oh yeah,

711
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 4: because you can't make a team play a night game

712
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,760
Speaker 4: and then go on the road on Thursday. That to

713
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:57,360
Speaker 4: me is just unfair. So it didn't happen. It shouldn't

714
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: have happened, and it didn't. So, you know, and then

715
00:34:00,920 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 4: they get a little bit of a mini buy before

716
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:08,160
Speaker 4: getting back into the you know division play against the Bengals,

717
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 4: so uh, you know, get through this game and then

718
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:14,960
Speaker 4: I think get a little bit of time off to

719
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 4: heal rest. Maybe is a better word than heel, and

720
00:34:19,239 --> 00:34:25,600
Speaker 4: uh you should get Olex Heisemith back. You know. Uh, again,

721
00:34:25,680 --> 00:34:29,400
Speaker 4: I'm not projecting this going to be easy by any means,

722
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,440
Speaker 4: but I like, I like where this where this Steelers

723
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:36,279
Speaker 4: team is right now, and I think that what they're

724
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:43,840
Speaker 4: showing in these games is that they are capable of

725
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:49,719
Speaker 4: navigating this schedule that at one point seemed just, you know,

726
00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 4: ridiculously difficult.

727
00:34:52,280 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 2: Bob did what the Saints did last week with Taysom Hill.

728
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:58,680
Speaker 2: Did that pick your interest a little bit against this

729
00:34:58,960 --> 00:35:02,120
Speaker 2: Browns team? Maybe using justin fields a little bit more

730
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:02,799
Speaker 2: on the short week.

731
00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 4: Well you know that's you know, that's what maybe if

732
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:13,439
Speaker 4: you need it. But again, uh, turn around and hand

733
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 4: it to Nausey. It should be good enough.

734
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:16,759
Speaker 3: Yeah it's not.

735
00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: It's not a bad option, right, and just keep it.

736
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: Keep it simple, you know, Jalen Warren, it has not

737
00:35:24,640 --> 00:35:27,359
Speaker 4: been on the injury report at all. You know, run

738
00:35:27,400 --> 00:35:32,280
Speaker 4: the ball, you know, throw at the friar mouth whatever,

739
00:35:32,800 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 4: you know, keep it, you know, keep it simple, keep

740
00:35:36,640 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 4: it away from their playmakers in the secondary who you

741
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:46,160
Speaker 4: know where However, they deployed Delpit and h Ward, Denzel Ward.

742
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:51,520
Speaker 4: You know, as I said, you don't want to play

743
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 4: like I would call the game the lord of living

744
00:35:55,160 --> 00:35:59,080
Speaker 4: in his fears. But I also, you know, there is

745
00:35:59,120 --> 00:36:02,760
Speaker 4: something to be said for the way that Arthur Smith

746
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 4: instructed Justin Fields in that Atlanta game. Do not go

747
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:10,400
Speaker 4: over the middle of the field. That's the heart of

748
00:36:10,440 --> 00:36:14,719
Speaker 4: their defense. We can win this game just by not

749
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,319
Speaker 4: turning it over and helping them. And I think this

750
00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 4: is another one of those games. And so you know

751
00:36:23,080 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 4: the Justin Fields package stuff. I wouldn't add to it,

752
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:30,880
Speaker 4: not for this game. If you need to go to

753
00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 4: it a little bit, maybe if if you know, there

754
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 4: are some but I wouldn't get too tricky.

755
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:37,880
Speaker 2: No, I don't want to get tricky with it. But

756
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:40,240
Speaker 2: if he if he has a couple of QB draws

757
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:43,360
Speaker 2: out there where he can get a chunk play, okay,

758
00:36:43,520 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 2: a bunch.

759
00:36:43,880 --> 00:36:44,600
Speaker 3: Of big blockers.

760
00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, and if if the if the the way the

761
00:36:47,840 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 4: flow of the game indicates that that could be necessary. Yes,

762
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 4: But if it's not, uh, I'm not you know what

763
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:01,920
Speaker 4: I mean, I'm not trying things. I don't know. I

764
00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:07,799
Speaker 4: would be conservatively aggressive, if that makes any sense, But

765
00:37:07,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 4: I would keep it with the people that I have

766
00:37:10,440 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 4: been using in those situations and in those kinds of plays.

767
00:37:16,480 --> 00:37:19,440
Speaker 4: For example, you want to take some deep shots, absolutely,

768
00:37:19,480 --> 00:37:21,680
Speaker 4: but I'm throwing them to fourteen. And if I'm not

769
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 4: throwing them to him, I'm throwing him to eighteen. You know,

770
00:37:24,520 --> 00:37:26,960
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to let's work this guy in or

771
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,439
Speaker 4: let's see what this guy can work. You know, I'm

772
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,239
Speaker 4: I'm not interested in any of that stuff. Not this,

773
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:36,479
Speaker 4: not this game, not on the on the three days

774
00:37:36,560 --> 00:37:40,799
Speaker 4: or four days, would rest whatever it is, and not

775
00:37:41,000 --> 00:37:44,560
Speaker 4: this team that's really not good enough. I don't think

776
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:49,160
Speaker 4: the line up and beat you if you play mistake

777
00:37:49,239 --> 00:37:51,040
Speaker 4: free football Labs.

778
00:37:51,719 --> 00:37:54,359
Speaker 3: Last thing I got for you is we all know

779
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:58,399
Speaker 3: that the Steelers have had a ridiculous run of unbelievably

780
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 3: great defensive players in their history. You know, maybe more

781
00:38:01,080 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 3: than probably more than any organization in the whole league.

782
00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,600
Speaker 3: I can't think of any or many that have played

783
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,279
Speaker 3: at the level Cam Hayward is playing at now, at

784
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:15,120
Speaker 3: that exactly at that age. I mean, am I missing somebody?

785
00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:18,040
Speaker 3: I mean he's one of the best players in the league.

786
00:38:19,120 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 4: Yeah you threw when you threw in at that age, Yeah,

787
00:38:22,120 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 4: then you have me agreeing with you. Because Joe Green

788
00:38:27,400 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 4: was out of the league at thirty five, and that's

789
00:38:31,320 --> 00:38:37,839
Speaker 4: a difficult position to defensive line. Yeah, I mean, I'm

790
00:38:37,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 4: just thinking of all the Hall of famers just real

791
00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:40,919
Speaker 4: quick in my head.

792
00:38:41,760 --> 00:38:44,520
Speaker 3: You know, Lambert didn't last that long, or Woodston was

793
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:49,480
Speaker 3: already gone, and you know, right and Me Blunt, Troy Harrison,

794
00:38:49,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 3: all those guys.

795
00:38:50,400 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 4: You know, Donnie Shell maybe, but he was a safety

796
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:57,080
Speaker 4: and to me, that's that's that kind.

797
00:38:56,840 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 3: Of And frankly, I don't remember Shell at the end

798
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:03,320
Speaker 3: of his career. Was he a top ten defensive player

799
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 3: on the planet at that point? Still? You know, I

800
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 3: mean I think that's where Cam was.

801
00:39:07,160 --> 00:39:09,319
Speaker 4: He was, right, he was still a very he was

802
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:15,239
Speaker 4: still a very productive safety. But it's safety, you know,

803
00:39:15,320 --> 00:39:19,439
Speaker 4: it's not defensive line. Yeah, and you know, I think

804
00:39:19,480 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 4: that there has to be an allowance made for Cam

805
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 4: because of the position that he plays. Oh and speaking

806
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 4: of Camp, I mean, did you hear about his new nickname?

807
00:39:32,239 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 2: No, what's that?

808
00:39:32,920 --> 00:39:36,719
Speaker 4: The captain of the Captain of the swim team. That's

809
00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 4: what Mike Tomlin calls him, the captain of the swim

810
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:44,960
Speaker 4: team because on those days practice when Cam is given

811
00:39:45,000 --> 00:39:48,640
Speaker 4: a veteran's day off, he's in the pool. You know,

812
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 4: we worked.

813
00:39:49,680 --> 00:39:52,759
Speaker 3: You know, yesterday was dripping wet. Everyone else was on

814
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:55,520
Speaker 3: the practice field right.

815
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:59,360
Speaker 4: Right, And so yeah, Cam mentioned it in a media

816
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 4: uh briefing or availability or something, you know, and he said, yeah, uh,

817
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: Mike t as he calls him, I think he said,

818
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,239
Speaker 4: calls me the captain of the swim team.

819
00:40:13,280 --> 00:40:17,080
Speaker 3: So it's working. Whatever he's doing, it's working.

820
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:20,160
Speaker 2: As long as he can. I mean, if the season

821
00:40:20,239 --> 00:40:23,120
Speaker 2: ended right now, he's no worse than a second team

822
00:40:23,120 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: All Pro.

823
00:40:24,120 --> 00:40:25,680
Speaker 3: I mean that pool that he's swimming, it might be

824
00:40:25,680 --> 00:40:26,560
Speaker 3: the family youth.

825
00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:32,040
Speaker 4: Well you know, yeah, what you say, I would agree

826
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: with whether he gets whether he has voted that, you know,

827
00:40:35,440 --> 00:40:38,800
Speaker 4: because I have no confidence or trust in the voting

828
00:40:38,840 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 4: for these awards based on who won the Defensive Player

829
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:45,279
Speaker 4: of the Year last year. Who knows, you know, they

830
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 4: might write what they might come up with. It's yes,

831
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:52,920
Speaker 4: so but anyway, I thought that was hilarious.

832
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:54,000
Speaker 3: Captain of the swim kid.

833
00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:58,799
Speaker 2: Anyways, we'll let you go, Labs. I know you got

834
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: plenty of stuff to get to if we get closer

835
00:41:01,040 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 2: to the kickoff tomorrow between the Steelers and the Browns

836
00:41:05,160 --> 00:41:08,480
Speaker 2: in Cleveland's an eight fifteen kickoff. But our guest has

837
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 2: been Bob Labriola, the Dean of Doom, the lord of

838
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,800
Speaker 2: living in his fears. We'll talk to him again next Wednesday.

839
00:41:15,160 --> 00:41:16,919
Speaker 2: We'll see if that's after a Steelers one. We'll start

840
00:41:16,920 --> 00:41:20,799
Speaker 2: previewing a little Bengals. Yeah, action that three AFC North

841
00:41:20,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: games in a row after having none, actually four, because

842
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 2: they'll play the Browns again.

843
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:26,640
Speaker 4: That'll be Thanksgiving Eve too. Yeah.

844
00:41:26,680 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 2: I can't wait for that. But Bob, we'll talk to you.

845
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 2: Maybe we'll catch up with you here before that. But

846
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:34,480
Speaker 2: have a good weekend.

847
00:41:35,600 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 4: Yeah, you too. You guys do the same, all right.

848
00:41:37,719 --> 00:41:40,480
Speaker 2: I am Dale Lolly. He is the Matt Williamson and

849
00:41:40,760 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 2: this is the Drive on the Steelers Audio Network. Matt, Now,

850
00:41:43,640 --> 00:41:45,120
Speaker 2: I'll be back with more right after this.

851
00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:53,040
Speaker 1: This is the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

852
00:41:53,400 --> 00:41:55,600
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven Home of the Black

853
00:41:55,640 --> 00:41:58,520
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

854
00:42:01,320 --> 00:42:04,839
Speaker 2: Welcome back. I am Dale LOLLI he is the Matt

855
00:42:04,920 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: Williamson and it really has been a tale of two

856
00:42:08,760 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: seasons for the Cleveland Browns this year. It's kind of

857
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 2: like a you know, you got your BC and a

858
00:42:18,080 --> 00:42:21,880
Speaker 2: AD here. Yeah, a little bit, except it's it's like

859
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 2: the BJ and AJ.

860
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,880
Speaker 3: It's like the way Way Way Way Way Works version

861
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 3: of when the Steelers went to Wilson. Yeah, you know,

862
00:42:29,160 --> 00:42:31,720
Speaker 3: and you're talking about when Winston took over, right, Yeah. Yeah.

863
00:42:31,920 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 2: They didn't have a single game this season with Deshaun

864
00:42:35,200 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 2: Watson in which they had more than one hundred and

865
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:39,240
Speaker 2: seventy two passing yards.

866
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:42,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, like, I'm sure some of our listeners know,

867
00:42:42,360 --> 00:42:46,040
Speaker 3: all of our listeners know that the Watson era this

868
00:42:46,160 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 3: year was really really bad, awful, but it was like

869
00:42:50,120 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 3: a distant thirty second.

870
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,400
Speaker 2: Maybe the worst quarterback quarterbacking of a team with a

871
00:42:55,520 --> 00:42:56,320
Speaker 2: chosen starter.

872
00:42:56,800 --> 00:42:58,880
Speaker 3: I think it's number thirty two on that list or

873
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 3: one as long as I can remember, right, Like Miami

874
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:04,759
Speaker 3: went tu was hurt. It is different, but that was

875
00:43:04,920 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 3: their chosen starter exactly.

876
00:43:06,520 --> 00:43:08,960
Speaker 2: This was their starter coming out of training camp.

877
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,480
Speaker 3: That's what I'm comparing it to though, Like Watson led

878
00:43:12,719 --> 00:43:18,279
Speaker 3: Browns is like two I list of Dolphins, and that

879
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,240
Speaker 3: was horrendous, like really tough to get first downs.

880
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:24,640
Speaker 2: So they've scored more than twenty points and this includes

881
00:43:24,680 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 2: the Winston games. Okay, they have scored more than twenty points. Actually,

882
00:43:29,080 --> 00:43:31,879
Speaker 2: they've scored more than eighteen points one time this year.

883
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,759
Speaker 2: Month they had twenty nine against the Ravens. The other

884
00:43:35,800 --> 00:43:36,840
Speaker 2: three Winston starts.

885
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 3: The defensive scored in that game or special team something

886
00:43:40,360 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 3: something was something, right, it's the Winston games.

887
00:43:44,640 --> 00:43:50,600
Speaker 2: They've scored fourteen, twenty nine, ten and fourteen.

888
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,279
Speaker 3: Yeah, like that's them putting up yards, right, but what

889
00:43:55,440 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 3: empty calories?

890
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're taking the reservation. Yeah, but they're not keeping

891
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:00,080
Speaker 2: the reservs. They're not holding it.

892
00:44:00,360 --> 00:44:00,560
Speaker 3: Yep.

893
00:44:01,120 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 4: Uh.

894
00:44:01,600 --> 00:44:03,920
Speaker 3: That Saints games almost I think we talked about on Monday.

895
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:06,719
Speaker 3: It's it's almost impossible to mimic four hundred and forty

896
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:10,759
Speaker 3: three stats. Yeah, I mean, and be that not productive?

897
00:44:10,800 --> 00:44:12,319
Speaker 3: And I don't think they had a ton of turnovers.

898
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: They had none. Yeah, and the Saints turned the ball

899
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:15,560
Speaker 2: over twice.

900
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:17,399
Speaker 3: Right, It'd be different if you ran, you know, ninety

901
00:44:17,480 --> 00:44:20,400
Speaker 3: nine yard drive and you fumbled on the one twice, Okay,

902
00:44:20,440 --> 00:44:22,240
Speaker 3: you'd have a lot of yardage and a lot of points.

903
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:24,640
Speaker 2: They gave up what happened four hundred and seventy three

904
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 2: yards to the Saints.

905
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:28,600
Speaker 3: Yeah. A lot of it on the ground, a lot

906
00:44:28,640 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 3: of it business decisions. I keep coming back to Darnell Washington,

907
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:35,480
Speaker 3: Like more and more I watched that Ravens tape, and

908
00:44:35,520 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 3: the Ravens have a lot to play for. Yeah, there

909
00:44:38,400 --> 00:44:40,440
Speaker 3: were a lot of dudes that wanted nothing to do

910
00:44:40,480 --> 00:44:44,400
Speaker 3: with Darnell Washington on the second level. Yeah, and maybe

911
00:44:44,440 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: the Browns defense plays as well as in this game

912
00:44:46,640 --> 00:44:49,839
Speaker 3: as did last year. They're capable. But I just think

913
00:44:49,880 --> 00:44:52,480
Speaker 3: the way the Steelers play, they are I mean that

914
00:44:52,560 --> 00:44:53,839
Speaker 3: was a really high level last year.

915
00:44:53,840 --> 00:44:57,160
Speaker 2: So extremely high level, and they're missing some dudes.

916
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:58,640
Speaker 3: To miss some dudes on the d line.

917
00:44:58,840 --> 00:45:01,280
Speaker 2: Is Devin Bush really going like he's not j ok.

918
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 3: No, you're right right. I mean they're cable being competitive.

919
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:08,799
Speaker 3: They weren't competitive against the Saints. I go back to it.

920
00:45:08,840 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 2: So two weeks ago, three weeks ago now at home,

921
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:15,919
Speaker 2: their last home game came against the Chargers, a physical Oh.

922
00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a hardball Ta's a hard team to play against.

923
00:45:18,520 --> 00:45:21,200
Speaker 2: And this is coming off to win over the Ravens.

924
00:45:22,120 --> 00:45:23,399
Speaker 2: So they've just done some good things.

925
00:45:23,480 --> 00:45:26,479
Speaker 3: They win the first start back I keep saying, Dad,

926
00:45:26,800 --> 00:45:29,399
Speaker 3: which threw for four hundred yards three hundred and twenty

927
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:30,439
Speaker 3: one yards against the Ravens.

928
00:45:30,480 --> 00:45:33,240
Speaker 2: They had four hundred and one total offensive yards, easily

929
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 2: their highest, biggest the output of the season. It's the

930
00:45:36,520 --> 00:45:38,520
Speaker 2: most points they've scored this season. That was two point

931
00:45:38,640 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 2: games worth the points before this. I remember a previewing

932
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:43,319
Speaker 2: that game saying they might be able to hang with

933
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:46,440
Speaker 2: the Chargers, and they lose twenty seven to ten. They

934
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:48,719
Speaker 2: ran for seventy nine yards, they turned the ball over

935
00:45:48,760 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 2: three times, and the game wasn't really all that competitive.

936
00:45:54,120 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 2: The Steelers and Chargers defenses, that's what I was gonna say,

937
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 2: might be the two best defenses in the league. And

938
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:01,879
Speaker 2: they might be the two most physical and the two

939
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:02,840
Speaker 2: most physical teams.

940
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, they might be. I think they're the two most

941
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 3: physical teams in the league. That's kind of where it's

942
00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:09,399
Speaker 3: going with the Darnell Washington is to penomize what you're

943
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 3: gonna deal with all day.

944
00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:10,880
Speaker 4: You know.

945
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 2: It's just just keep getting saple. You're gonna keep getting

946
00:46:13,719 --> 00:46:14,799
Speaker 2: punched in the mouth all day.

947
00:46:14,800 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 3: Right, I mean again, if it's three runs, that's like

948
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,000
Speaker 3: three Tyson body blows and then punt, you know. I mean,

949
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:22,759
Speaker 3: it's just it's gonna wear you out. And their d

950
00:46:22,880 --> 00:46:26,560
Speaker 3: line is really thin because of trades and injuries. Their

951
00:46:26,600 --> 00:46:29,439
Speaker 3: desire has to be thin the front seventh thin. Yeah,

952
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 3: you know, and their desire has to be low. But

953
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:34,840
Speaker 3: I'm gonna do a show tonight with Merrill Hodge. I

954
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,719
Speaker 3: mean he always says, never ever, ever underestimate an embarrassed

955
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: professional athletes. Sure, and there's that's one hundred century.

956
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: Absolutely, especially in a divisional game or national television.

957
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 3: Right in their building. Short week. Hey, the Steelers are

958
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 3: gonna be more tired in the fourth quarter than usual.

959
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 4: Two.

960
00:46:51,360 --> 00:46:53,000
Speaker 3: I mean, they don't have as much rest. You know,

961
00:46:53,080 --> 00:46:56,399
Speaker 3: if they're still hanging around in the fourth quarter and

962
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:58,280
Speaker 3: you're the one that get a punt blocked or something,

963
00:46:58,920 --> 00:46:59,560
Speaker 3: you're in trouble.

964
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:02,440
Speaker 2: But if you are the team as the Steelers did

965
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,000
Speaker 2: last week against the Ravens, and you run seventy five

966
00:47:05,040 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 2: plays to they're fifty five.

967
00:47:06,480 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 3: They'll win by twenty. Yeah, even if they don't even

968
00:47:08,960 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 3: they're not efficient, I mean.

969
00:47:10,640 --> 00:47:12,920
Speaker 2: And the Steelers have done that to several teams this year.

970
00:47:12,960 --> 00:47:13,800
Speaker 3: Yeah, they just keep.

971
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:15,279
Speaker 2: Pounding only pound a way, and they win the time of

972
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 2: possession by twelve minutes.

973
00:47:17,440 --> 00:47:19,239
Speaker 3: And the fans are grumpy in the first half and

974
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:22,240
Speaker 3: then they start totally realizing and I hope they realized

975
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,480
Speaker 3: that the body blows start to take their toll.

976
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 2: Absolutely, So I just thought that was interesting. I mean

977
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 2: that that Ravens game for them has been the outlier. Absolutely, absolutely,

978
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:32,800
Speaker 2: they don't score points.

979
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that was a spark because the guy

980
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,000
Speaker 3: that they love is replacing the guy that they can't

981
00:47:38,000 --> 00:47:39,719
Speaker 3: stand and is the anchor of the organization.

982
00:47:39,960 --> 00:47:42,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, and now it's kind of worn off a little.

983
00:47:42,040 --> 00:47:43,399
Speaker 3: Bit, yeah, because they're not all that good.

984
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I also wanted to I mean, I mean, again,

985
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: the Saints gave up some yards last week. I wonder

986
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 2: if they just know that, hey, when Jamis gets in

987
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 2: the red zone.

988
00:47:53,680 --> 00:47:56,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it's not quite as you just can't break.

989
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:58,160
Speaker 2: They don't give up, right, the stuff over the top.

990
00:47:58,360 --> 00:48:00,520
Speaker 3: And oh, by the way, that's my big too. Don't

991
00:48:00,600 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 3: let anyone over your head.

992
00:48:01,560 --> 00:48:04,680
Speaker 2: Cleveland's kicker, Dustin Hopkins fourteen to twenty this year on

993
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 2: field goals, right.

994
00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:06,959
Speaker 3: And I'm sure not any better than the weather.

995
00:48:07,160 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, so keep that in mind as well. Let's get

996
00:48:10,120 --> 00:48:12,160
Speaker 2: to another break. That's going to do for our number

997
00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:14,480
Speaker 2: one of the drive here on the Steelers Audio Network,

998
00:48:14,480 --> 00:48:16,000
Speaker 2: Matt and now I'll be back with our number two

999
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:16,960
Speaker 2: right after this