1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: The blessing is in the movement. You just gotta keep moving. 2 00:00:04,519 --> 00:00:08,400 Speaker 2: When you move, you can only be met with that momentum. Yeah, 3 00:00:08,520 --> 00:00:10,760 Speaker 2: for you know when it's when it's that thing that 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:13,840 Speaker 2: you want. The blessing for me has been in the movement. 5 00:00:14,160 --> 00:00:18,960 Speaker 2: Just keep moving, It doesn't matter the pace. See, this 6 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:21,200 Speaker 2: world makes us think we have to go so fast 7 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:25,079 Speaker 2: with everything. It's literally a marathon, not a sprint. And 8 00:00:25,120 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 2: I know that's very cliche, but I have seen that 9 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 2: it's still it's really the long game. 10 00:00:32,800 --> 00:00:35,520 Speaker 3: He everybody, Welcome to another episode of butter Nomics. I'm 11 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,680 Speaker 3: your host, Brandon Butler, founder and CEO of Butter at 12 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,600 Speaker 3: L And today, Yeah, we got an atl legend. We 13 00:00:40,640 --> 00:00:42,200 Speaker 3: got an east Side legend building. 14 00:00:42,280 --> 00:00:44,640 Speaker 1: You get right, both both of them? 15 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:47,760 Speaker 3: Both of them, Yeah, both of the one. The only 16 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:49,680 Speaker 3: miss for Shan, I leave ra Sean. How you doing today? 17 00:00:49,720 --> 00:00:50,839 Speaker 1: I'm doing well? How about you? 18 00:00:51,040 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 3: That was any better? I'd be you. 19 00:00:52,960 --> 00:00:54,120 Speaker 1: That's good, said everybody. 20 00:00:54,320 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 3: You'd like to mix that in because if I was 21 00:00:58,000 --> 00:01:00,000 Speaker 3: both be better, I'd be y'all. How you feel? 22 00:01:00,360 --> 00:01:01,640 Speaker 1: I'm good man, I'm good. 23 00:01:01,680 --> 00:01:04,640 Speaker 2: Good to be here with you, love to see you 24 00:01:05,080 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 2: just how much you've grown your brand, and obviously at 25 00:01:08,680 --> 00:01:13,200 Speaker 2: Atlanta loves you and has reported you and we see 26 00:01:13,200 --> 00:01:14,000 Speaker 2: the fruits of your labor. 27 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:15,280 Speaker 1: So I'm glad to be here with you. 28 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 3: Do you remember that last time we got an interview 29 00:01:17,000 --> 00:01:19,039 Speaker 3: when you came to that studio and he was like, 30 00:01:19,080 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 3: what the hell is this? 31 00:01:20,080 --> 00:01:22,360 Speaker 1: No? I did not, you know, I'm just you know 32 00:01:22,400 --> 00:01:24,040 Speaker 1: how I am. I'm a low key out you know. 33 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 2: I just liked you, and I was like, you know what, 34 00:01:26,200 --> 00:01:28,000 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it, and here we are. 35 00:01:27,959 --> 00:01:28,560 Speaker 3: And here we are. 36 00:01:28,760 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a how many years ago was that? 37 00:01:31,280 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 3: That was like twenty sixteen. I thought, oh wow, I 38 00:01:34,680 --> 00:01:38,640 Speaker 3: just graduated from a grad school and you know, I 39 00:01:38,640 --> 00:01:40,479 Speaker 3: built that whole studio out. And I came in there 40 00:01:40,480 --> 00:01:43,800 Speaker 3: one day and I had an eviction notice because they 41 00:01:43,920 --> 00:01:46,560 Speaker 3: sold the building without telling me. Oh wow, and the 42 00:01:47,200 --> 00:01:49,320 Speaker 3: bulldoz that whole building. I was mad because I had 43 00:01:49,360 --> 00:01:52,200 Speaker 3: signed my lease, I had invested all in that space, 44 00:01:52,280 --> 00:01:53,640 Speaker 3: I had built it all out, and it was like 45 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 3: I didn't know this. It was like a clause in 46 00:01:55,040 --> 00:01:56,680 Speaker 3: the lease that basically said they could sell the building 47 00:01:56,720 --> 00:01:57,360 Speaker 3: without telling you. 48 00:01:57,480 --> 00:01:57,960 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 49 00:01:58,000 --> 00:01:59,320 Speaker 3: And I came in they were like, yeah, you got 50 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:01,440 Speaker 3: to move that's crazy. 51 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:03,160 Speaker 1: Man, it is, But that's how it works. 52 00:02:03,200 --> 00:02:04,760 Speaker 2: You got an old game out it is you got 53 00:02:04,760 --> 00:02:07,120 Speaker 2: to read it between the lives and read the fine friends. 54 00:02:07,280 --> 00:02:09,000 Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying. That's less than number one. 55 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 3: Y'all read the full least read the contract. That's right, 56 00:02:11,919 --> 00:02:13,959 Speaker 3: But you've read a lot of contracts over time, right. 57 00:02:14,280 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 1: Well, I, or at least hire somebody to do it. 58 00:02:17,400 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: I can't. That's not my wheelhouse. That's not my. 59 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:24,960 Speaker 3: Calling now now I know, but again everybody out here 60 00:02:24,960 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 3: doesn't know. So I would just want to go back 61 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:26,919 Speaker 3: for a second. 62 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 2: Now. 63 00:02:27,080 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 3: You got started in radio wedd in two thousand and two. 64 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,639 Speaker 1: Yes, oh too, on Hot one of seven nine. 65 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:33,160 Speaker 3: What was that like back in the day? What was 66 00:02:33,160 --> 00:02:33,840 Speaker 3: two thousand and two? 67 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,880 Speaker 1: Like, Well, I had just gotten engaged to be married. 68 00:02:39,840 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 2: I'm still with that guy twenty two years later, two children, 69 00:02:43,320 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 2: all the things. 70 00:02:44,840 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 1: But it was for me. 71 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,519 Speaker 2: It was one of those opportunities that I'm like, well, 72 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 2: I've done so much work up until this point that 73 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:55,799 Speaker 2: it kind of made sense. So graduated from fam, you 74 00:02:55,960 --> 00:02:58,760 Speaker 2: wanted to go to film school. My mom said no, 75 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,960 Speaker 2: And to figure all that out, and so fast forward 76 00:03:02,760 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 2: to an opportunity that came with radio when you know 77 00:03:06,960 --> 00:03:09,960 Speaker 2: the og. Ryan Cameron was talking about how he was 78 00:03:10,000 --> 00:03:13,640 Speaker 2: going to audition someone for a new co hosting position, 79 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,720 Speaker 2: and I was just like, well, God, I've done everything, 80 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:18,720 Speaker 2: so let me just try this too, because I was 81 00:03:18,760 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: trying to figure out what my life was was, having 82 00:03:21,480 --> 00:03:24,200 Speaker 2: all these different jobs, a degree in journalism, you know, 83 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:26,000 Speaker 2: didn't wasn't able to go to film school, and. 84 00:03:26,240 --> 00:03:27,720 Speaker 1: So just trying to figure out life. 85 00:03:27,720 --> 00:03:30,320 Speaker 2: It sounds like most of the creatives that we know, 86 00:03:31,280 --> 00:03:33,359 Speaker 2: So just trying to figure it out. And literally one 87 00:03:33,800 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 2: competition American Idol style to be on Ryan Cameron's morning show. 88 00:03:38,920 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 1: And it worked out for me. You know. 89 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 2: It was great that I did college radio, and of 90 00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:45,760 Speaker 2: course I had a degree, but you know, it was 91 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 2: one of those things that the city really wrapped their 92 00:03:47,880 --> 00:03:48,600 Speaker 2: arms around. 93 00:03:48,960 --> 00:03:49,920 Speaker 1: The whole competition. 94 00:03:50,040 --> 00:03:51,520 Speaker 2: It was like ten of us, and then it went 95 00:03:51,560 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 2: to five, and then it went to two of us, 96 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,280 Speaker 2: Me and my my tight girl CJ, who joined the show. 97 00:03:57,360 --> 00:04:02,320 Speaker 2: But we were able to really grow from that. You know, 98 00:04:02,400 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 2: even when he left and went back to another station. 99 00:04:05,440 --> 00:04:07,120 Speaker 2: You know, I became the host of the of the 100 00:04:07,160 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 2: morning show, and so you know, the the not the experiment, 101 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:14,800 Speaker 2: but yeah, the experiment that turned out pretty dang good. 102 00:04:15,120 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 2: Yeah for him, and then you know, to see, you know, 103 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 2: kind of where I took my career. 104 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:21,960 Speaker 3: And you know, it's funny about that whole story, but 105 00:04:22,800 --> 00:04:26,760 Speaker 3: there's an alternate universe in which I feel like, I 106 00:04:26,760 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 3: don't know if i'd be on your level right now, 107 00:04:28,480 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 3: but like I actually had an opportunity. So I don't 108 00:04:30,560 --> 00:04:32,479 Speaker 3: know if I ever told you this story before, but 109 00:04:32,520 --> 00:04:34,320 Speaker 3: I think it was like two thousand and four. I 110 00:04:34,320 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 3: had graduated college and Ryan was looking for an intern. 111 00:04:39,240 --> 00:04:40,920 Speaker 3: And I remember when I was listened to the radio station. 112 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 3: Every day I listened to radio going to work. You know, 113 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:44,160 Speaker 3: I was like, now I wanted to work in radio. 114 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,600 Speaker 3: I want to do all this stuff. And so one 115 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:49,720 Speaker 3: day I'm driving to work and he says, I'm looking 116 00:04:49,720 --> 00:04:51,960 Speaker 3: for an intern. And I remember they had hired you all, 117 00:04:52,120 --> 00:04:53,800 Speaker 3: you know, they had knowing that stuff going on. He said, 118 00:04:53,800 --> 00:04:56,159 Speaker 3: if you want to be my intern, mailed me a 119 00:04:56,200 --> 00:04:59,440 Speaker 3: copy of your resume, not email, he said, mail in facts, 120 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,360 Speaker 3: if I remember, And so I was like, man, I 121 00:05:02,400 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 3: want to get this internship, but there's no way that 122 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:07,680 Speaker 3: he's going to see my my resumes. I said, what 123 00:05:07,680 --> 00:05:10,400 Speaker 3: do I do? So I went and I made ninety 124 00:05:10,440 --> 00:05:13,479 Speaker 3: seven copies of my resume for nine seven point five. 125 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 3: I think I might have been I think I might 126 00:05:15,000 --> 00:05:16,720 Speaker 3: have cut one in half, just you know, for fun. 127 00:05:17,080 --> 00:05:20,240 Speaker 3: I got ninety seven envelopes in ninety seven stamps, and 128 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:22,840 Speaker 3: I mailed them all at the exact same time. And 129 00:05:22,920 --> 00:05:25,640 Speaker 3: about three or four days later, Ryan called me live 130 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 3: on air and was like, Brandon, stop emailing me your resume. 131 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:29,520 Speaker 3: You got the job. 132 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:30,919 Speaker 1: Oh wow. 133 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:34,400 Speaker 3: So the crazy part is, I remember he was like, 134 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:35,839 Speaker 3: you know, come up here on I remember it's like, 135 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:37,920 Speaker 3: you know, Wednesday or something like that. So I get 136 00:05:37,960 --> 00:05:41,840 Speaker 3: ready that first day. It's pouring down rain, like it's raining, 137 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:42,919 Speaker 3: and it's like he says, be up here at like 138 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,880 Speaker 3: four am, and it's pouring down rain. And I got 139 00:05:45,880 --> 00:05:48,880 Speaker 3: my little raggedy Hondo cord. I was staying at my parents' 140 00:05:48,880 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 3: house Stills. I just graduated, and I was like driving 141 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:54,160 Speaker 3: downtown trying not to die. It was in the Assistant 142 00:05:54,200 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 3: Trust Bank building. Yeah, And I get up there at 143 00:05:56,680 --> 00:05:59,680 Speaker 3: four o'clock and ain't none of y'all show up until five. 144 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:03,160 Speaker 3: I was like, what's going on? Low story short. I 145 00:06:03,240 --> 00:06:05,119 Speaker 3: ended up interned up there for maybe about a month, 146 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:09,000 Speaker 3: but you know, I didn't really fully understand the process 147 00:06:09,040 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 3: you had to go through, you know what I mean, 148 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,760 Speaker 3: and like get the little little hazing stuff like that. 149 00:06:13,839 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 3: And I was like, man, forget this. Man, I'm going 150 00:06:16,279 --> 00:06:17,840 Speaker 3: back to my job and I and I quit. 151 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: Oh. 152 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:20,040 Speaker 3: And it was funny. I had lunch with Ryan about 153 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,400 Speaker 3: a month ago when I was telling them about this 154 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: story because he was like, I don't remember. He's like, 155 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:24,480 Speaker 3: I kind of remember it, but I don't really remember. 156 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 3: I said, you know, Ryan, you changed my life because 157 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:30,359 Speaker 3: you called me and you said, man, I thought you 158 00:06:30,400 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 3: really wanted this, and I can't believe you quit. And 159 00:06:32,800 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 3: I said, since that moment, like I never really quit anything. 160 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,120 Speaker 3: Oh wow, you know, And that's why it made me 161 00:06:37,160 --> 00:06:39,120 Speaker 3: so focused on things. But I always say to myself too, 162 00:06:39,160 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 3: I'm like, man, I was gonna start like right after 163 00:06:42,040 --> 00:06:44,320 Speaker 3: Ashan and all them starting, and so I'm just I 164 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,160 Speaker 3: was like, man, I wonder how different things could have 165 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,360 Speaker 3: been if I'd have stuck with that, because I saw 166 00:06:48,440 --> 00:06:50,840 Speaker 3: the stuff that you built and CJ built, Nikeenny and all, 167 00:06:50,880 --> 00:06:52,760 Speaker 3: you know, growing up, and I was like, man, I 168 00:06:52,760 --> 00:06:55,120 Speaker 3: could have I was about a year behind, but you're doing. 169 00:06:55,040 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 1: But it's just I hear you. It's just a different 170 00:06:58,240 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: journey and that wasn't supposed to be yours. But I 171 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:02,680 Speaker 1: get it. I get it that. You know, there's so 172 00:07:02,720 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: many lessons that you that you learned along that. 173 00:07:05,520 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 3: The Oh yeah, I up my head did on that one. 174 00:07:08,000 --> 00:07:10,160 Speaker 3: I think one thing that really kind of stood out 175 00:07:10,200 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 3: for me was just to give when Ryan hit me up, 176 00:07:11,800 --> 00:07:14,200 Speaker 3: because I really again looked at up up to him 177 00:07:14,240 --> 00:07:16,280 Speaker 3: as a you know, radio personality is somewhere. I wanted 178 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: to kind of be like for him to call me 179 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 3: and be like, man, I'm disappointed. I can't believe you quit. 180 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 3: It just kind of puts something in me. It's like, 181 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:22,920 Speaker 3: I'm never gonna quit something like that. 182 00:07:22,920 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: Wow. Wow. 183 00:07:23,920 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 3: You know, did you learn any lessons like that working 184 00:07:25,680 --> 00:07:26,040 Speaker 3: with Ryan? 185 00:07:26,160 --> 00:07:30,679 Speaker 2: Oh, let me tell you chill. 186 00:07:31,240 --> 00:07:34,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, of course. I mean I learned so much. 187 00:07:34,840 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 2: The first time I went to a fine dining restaurant, 188 00:07:36,800 --> 00:07:40,440 Speaker 2: it was Ruth Chris when it was linux right in 189 00:07:40,480 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 2: that area. And you know, I grew up middle class, 190 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,880 Speaker 2: you know, but we didn't go to find dining restaurants. 191 00:07:45,960 --> 00:07:48,440 Speaker 1: It was like, you know, the Red Loves on calib Road. 192 00:07:48,640 --> 00:07:51,040 Speaker 2: You know, if we went somewhere, you know, you know, 193 00:07:51,200 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 2: everything was home cooked, so he along with left eye 194 00:07:54,280 --> 00:07:55,600 Speaker 2: when I was left that. So the first time I 195 00:07:55,640 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 2: really went to like find dining restaurants and we were 196 00:07:59,480 --> 00:08:01,080 Speaker 2: about to walk and he was like, act like you've 197 00:08:01,080 --> 00:08:05,400 Speaker 2: been here, and I just have never forgotten like certain 198 00:08:05,400 --> 00:08:07,080 Speaker 2: things like that, And like the first till I went 199 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 2: to Turks and k coats, Ryan took the whole morning 200 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,000 Speaker 2: show like really showing a different type of life because 201 00:08:14,000 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 2: you know, he always says yacht dreams, but like he 202 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:20,400 Speaker 2: has really shown me, especially at that young age I 203 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:22,559 Speaker 2: was in, you know, my twenties, just had a dream 204 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 2: bigger on what you can and what you can have. 205 00:08:24,720 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 1: But also I saw him work very hard. Yeah, and 206 00:08:30,280 --> 00:08:31,640 Speaker 1: I learned. 207 00:08:31,440 --> 00:08:34,480 Speaker 2: That you never really get too big to do the 208 00:08:34,520 --> 00:08:37,480 Speaker 2: little things. And even the way that I interview is 209 00:08:37,720 --> 00:08:40,160 Speaker 2: a god given gift. But I know for a fact 210 00:08:40,240 --> 00:08:43,360 Speaker 2: that I'm good because I got to watch him do it. 211 00:08:43,920 --> 00:08:47,839 Speaker 2: And no matter how good or you know, familiar he 212 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,320 Speaker 2: was with an artist or anybody that came to our show, 213 00:08:50,360 --> 00:08:54,240 Speaker 2: he always wrote down like little things so he would 214 00:08:54,280 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: never forget, like even if it's just a little dot, 215 00:08:57,160 --> 00:09:00,360 Speaker 2: you know, and say, Brandon, but are not so, you know, 216 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,840 Speaker 2: just something like that to make sure that he got 217 00:09:02,880 --> 00:09:05,480 Speaker 2: the things that he wanted out of the interview. And 218 00:09:05,520 --> 00:09:08,480 Speaker 2: he's a master at getting people to open up and 219 00:09:08,520 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 2: speak about things that their publicist or someone says they're 220 00:09:11,160 --> 00:09:13,000 Speaker 2: not going to speak about. So the reason that I 221 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,280 Speaker 2: know that I can do that very well, I could 222 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:17,880 Speaker 2: talk to anybody and get what I want, even if 223 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 2: it's not what someone may have been expecting them to say. 224 00:09:21,760 --> 00:09:23,920 Speaker 2: But you can get someone to allude to anything you 225 00:09:23,960 --> 00:09:25,559 Speaker 2: have to make them feel comfortable. It's not that you're 226 00:09:25,679 --> 00:09:29,040 Speaker 2: using the subject, it's that you are allowing the conversation 227 00:09:29,160 --> 00:09:32,200 Speaker 2: to be just that a conversation. So I learned that 228 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,240 Speaker 2: by watching him so so many different I could go 229 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:38,559 Speaker 2: on and on about our time together. 230 00:09:38,640 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: It really was very short in the beginning. 231 00:09:40,679 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: It was probably like maybe three four years, and then 232 00:09:43,720 --> 00:09:45,760 Speaker 2: he left and we had the eighteen morning show, and 233 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:47,920 Speaker 2: then I went back over there with him if he 234 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,240 Speaker 2: were on three. But I know that my skills at 235 00:09:52,240 --> 00:09:55,720 Speaker 2: interviewing were honed because of him. 236 00:09:55,920 --> 00:09:57,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have to work around some of the best 237 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,280 Speaker 3: people and just see. Yeah, I think there's nothing better 238 00:10:00,320 --> 00:10:02,720 Speaker 3: than experience. I mean look, I talk to people all 239 00:10:02,720 --> 00:10:04,319 Speaker 3: the time on this podcast, and I'm not gonna lie. 240 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 3: I go back and look at some of the stuff 241 00:10:05,800 --> 00:10:07,000 Speaker 3: y'all have done and say, how can I be a 242 00:10:07,000 --> 00:10:09,800 Speaker 3: better interviewer? How can I ask better questions? You know, 243 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:11,480 Speaker 3: that's a lot of work that I do. So so 244 00:10:11,600 --> 00:10:13,080 Speaker 3: you know, I go back and I look at y'all stuff. 245 00:10:14,200 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, man, I say, the key, the key to 246 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:21,200 Speaker 2: a great interview is literally listening. Listening because so many 247 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:23,079 Speaker 2: people especially you know, you have a lot of people 248 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,560 Speaker 2: in this podcast world who just really you know, to 249 00:10:27,600 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 2: each his own, you know what I mean. But like 250 00:10:29,480 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 2: you have a somebody will say, yeah, and then that 251 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:36,360 Speaker 2: was the weekend that you know, everything just went everything 252 00:10:36,440 --> 00:10:38,920 Speaker 2: just went crazy, And you have somebody that just won't 253 00:10:38,960 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: even tap into what went crazy. 254 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: It's like, tell me exactly what went crazy. 255 00:10:43,120 --> 00:10:45,160 Speaker 2: You're so focused on what the next question is by 256 00:10:45,240 --> 00:10:48,280 Speaker 2: not listening that you miss out on so much of 257 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 2: what happened when that person said everything just went crazy. 258 00:10:51,760 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: So listening and actually just having a conversation is what 259 00:10:55,440 --> 00:10:57,920 Speaker 2: it's all about. But you know, so good. I'm glad 260 00:10:57,920 --> 00:11:00,960 Speaker 2: that you're continuing to be great and do your best 261 00:11:01,160 --> 00:11:04,040 Speaker 2: at this and it shows, and it shows. 262 00:11:04,080 --> 00:11:05,960 Speaker 3: I mean again, you've been in the podcast space too. 263 00:11:05,960 --> 00:11:07,480 Speaker 3: I know you've been doing some stuff with the Cool 264 00:11:07,520 --> 00:11:12,320 Speaker 3: Sorel podcast. Man, what's so hard about the podcast space? 265 00:11:12,400 --> 00:11:15,800 Speaker 2: I mean, yeah, money, you know, I mean, I mean 266 00:11:15,840 --> 00:11:19,000 Speaker 2: I was probably one of the people, especially a black female, 267 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 2: kind of like I started early enough for where it 268 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 2: was like a podcast where a lot of black folks 269 00:11:24,679 --> 00:11:26,800 Speaker 2: on my podcast. So I started my podcast in twenty 270 00:11:26,840 --> 00:11:29,920 Speaker 2: sixteen right after I think, yeah, and then you know, 271 00:11:30,000 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: I changed it up and I kept it going and 272 00:11:31,600 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: changed it up and I started doing the video like 273 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 2: full on. 274 00:11:34,640 --> 00:11:37,720 Speaker 1: Production, like it was like it looked great. 275 00:11:38,280 --> 00:11:40,600 Speaker 2: And I think because it looks so great, people probably 276 00:11:40,640 --> 00:11:43,079 Speaker 2: thought I didn't need any help. Now I was like, no, 277 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:45,520 Speaker 2: that was all me. So I've had a couple of 278 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:47,880 Speaker 2: nice viral moments. But you know, when you have a 279 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,320 Speaker 2: product like what we have, like you have to get 280 00:11:50,320 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: somebody that's working on the back end, especially if you 281 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,920 Speaker 2: don't have a partner, you know, a station or a 282 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:57,640 Speaker 2: network that you're working with. People have to do all 283 00:11:57,640 --> 00:11:59,439 Speaker 2: of that thing. So I didn't have that. So right 284 00:11:59,480 --> 00:12:02,480 Speaker 2: now that my podcast is just I'm figuring out what 285 00:12:02,520 --> 00:12:06,640 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do with that and the brand, the Coulsord brands. 286 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:09,040 Speaker 2: I've got merchandise, I got, you know, necklaces and things 287 00:12:09,120 --> 00:12:11,520 Speaker 2: like that. But you know, it's got to make sense. 288 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 2: It's got to make sense to me, and at this 289 00:12:14,360 --> 00:12:16,480 Speaker 2: juncture in my life, it's just it doesn't make sense. 290 00:12:28,360 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, the podcast game is tough. I mean I've started 291 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:33,120 Speaker 3: to stop a few different ones, and you know, luckily 292 00:12:33,160 --> 00:12:34,640 Speaker 3: I was able to kind of get this partnership at 293 00:12:34,640 --> 00:12:36,960 Speaker 3: our Heart to kind of help scale this thing out. 294 00:12:37,040 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 3: But yeah, I think again, there's so many different voices 295 00:12:39,240 --> 00:12:41,360 Speaker 3: out here, there's so many different ways to kind of monetize, 296 00:12:41,360 --> 00:12:43,440 Speaker 3: and it's like, you see these other people doing It's like, man, 297 00:12:43,480 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: how are they doing it. It's like it's like, you know, 298 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:46,960 Speaker 3: I'm not throwing any shade everybody. It's like you watch 299 00:12:47,040 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 3: Drink Champs. It's like, what are they doing that I'm 300 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:48,960 Speaker 3: not doing? 301 00:12:49,120 --> 00:12:49,440 Speaker 1: Right? 302 00:12:49,600 --> 00:12:51,280 Speaker 3: You know, what are these other podcasts doing that I'm 303 00:12:51,320 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 3: not doing? And I think one of the things I've 304 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:55,520 Speaker 3: kind of learned is it's about, you know, finding ways 305 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:57,280 Speaker 3: to kind of diversify. Like, you know, at the end 306 00:12:57,280 --> 00:12:59,760 Speaker 3: of the day, it's really hard to just sell ads 307 00:12:59,800 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: and us you know, nobody wants to sit here and 308 00:13:01,400 --> 00:13:04,319 Speaker 3: just do ad reads on podcasts and stuff like that, right, 309 00:13:04,360 --> 00:13:06,720 Speaker 3: so it's like, how do you find that audience, you know, 310 00:13:06,760 --> 00:13:08,600 Speaker 3: build that connection with them, but then figure out what 311 00:13:08,600 --> 00:13:10,240 Speaker 3: they want and kind of give it to them. That's 312 00:13:10,280 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: what I've seen it works, and so that's why even 313 00:13:12,480 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 3: when I'm kind of trying to do with button nomics, right, 314 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:15,880 Speaker 3: it's like, all right, let's let's build this up, but 315 00:13:15,920 --> 00:13:17,480 Speaker 3: let's find this audience. But the thing I kind of 316 00:13:17,480 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 3: constantly ask myself is what're the kinds of products and 317 00:13:20,440 --> 00:13:23,679 Speaker 3: services that I could put it from this audience myself, 318 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:25,520 Speaker 3: you know, and kind of and kind of give them. 319 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,840 Speaker 3: And I don't know, I don't I'm not like big 320 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:29,640 Speaker 3: on the coaching and all that kind of stuff. Personally. 321 00:13:29,679 --> 00:13:30,800 Speaker 3: I think there's a lot of people to do that. 322 00:13:30,840 --> 00:13:33,400 Speaker 3: But I really try to think about tangible products. I 323 00:13:33,400 --> 00:13:35,240 Speaker 3: think a lot of times it's black folks, you know, 324 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 3: especially we do a lot of service based businesses. I'm like, man, 325 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 3: if I could just give me a damn T shirt 326 00:13:40,280 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 3: or just something that just comes in like a small, 327 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:44,200 Speaker 3: medium or large, just be besides, do you want it? 328 00:13:44,280 --> 00:13:47,680 Speaker 3: Because I don't want to talk to everybody, right, hilarious. 329 00:13:48,040 --> 00:13:49,920 Speaker 3: You know, it's all this crazy stuff out here. But 330 00:13:50,280 --> 00:13:53,079 Speaker 3: you know, besides that, you were also with the first 331 00:13:53,360 --> 00:13:56,319 Speaker 3: black female sports reporter in Atlanta, right for Sports Acred. 332 00:13:56,320 --> 00:14:00,600 Speaker 2: No, I don't know, not not the first, Definitely not 333 00:14:00,760 --> 00:14:05,040 Speaker 2: the first. I was one of just a few morning 334 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:07,439 Speaker 2: show hosts that were female in the country. 335 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, not sideline report or anything like that. I did 336 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 1: that for the Atlanta Hawks. 337 00:14:12,520 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 2: I was the inter arena sideline reporter for a few 338 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: seasons right before. 339 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 1: Al Duncan came in, and then she did her thing. 340 00:14:20,600 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 2: We split it for a while and then I was like, yeah, 341 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,240 Speaker 2: I just had a you know, more had children and 342 00:14:25,320 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 2: so that kind of changed, like my nighttime situation, but 343 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:33,760 Speaker 2: that catapults it into other opportunities with CNN headline News, 344 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:38,160 Speaker 2: sports sideline reporting for CBS Sports Network for college football 345 00:14:38,160 --> 00:14:43,200 Speaker 2: and college basketball. Like I've had a very, very diversified, 346 00:14:43,480 --> 00:14:48,040 Speaker 2: vast career and I've been truly blessed to have so 347 00:14:48,040 --> 00:14:51,800 Speaker 2: many different beautiful experiences under the arc of being a 348 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,600 Speaker 2: multi media personality, which I consider myself to be. 349 00:14:55,360 --> 00:14:58,960 Speaker 1: And I'm just open. I'm open. I'm continuing to be 350 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,480 Speaker 1: open to whatever source has a line for me. 351 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know you've done you know, radio, TV, 352 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 3: voiceover work, Yeah, movies, Like what do you what do 353 00:15:08,240 --> 00:15:09,080 Speaker 3: you enjoy doing? The moment? 354 00:15:09,080 --> 00:15:13,720 Speaker 1: All of it? All of them? You know? 355 00:15:14,240 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 2: You know people ask me that all the time, and 356 00:15:15,960 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 2: I'm like, I don't really because I am seen an 357 00:15:18,920 --> 00:15:21,040 Speaker 2: event last night and it was fantastic. And I love 358 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:23,520 Speaker 2: making people laugh and I love having presents on camera. 359 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: I love the way the microphone sounds when it's a 360 00:15:26,320 --> 00:15:30,320 Speaker 2: very you know, beautiful microphone, and this like audio is. 361 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 2: I love good audio, Like I love dressing up and 362 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,800 Speaker 2: doing that, but I also love going into character on 363 00:15:37,080 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 2: my show on at Over in Tylerberry Studios and doing that, 364 00:15:40,600 --> 00:15:42,240 Speaker 2: and then I'll go into the booth and do a 365 00:15:42,240 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 2: commercial for home Depot and do you know, voiceover work. 366 00:15:46,160 --> 00:15:49,880 Speaker 2: So just dreaming bigger and all of those aspects. I 367 00:15:49,920 --> 00:15:52,920 Speaker 2: want to get into doing some voice acting. So I 368 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:54,520 Speaker 2: want to do some character work. I want to do 369 00:15:54,560 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 2: a Pixar movie. I want to voice voice voice and commercials, commercials, 370 00:15:58,400 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 2: commercial because I just I love that space. 371 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:02,720 Speaker 1: I love that space. 372 00:16:02,760 --> 00:16:06,400 Speaker 2: But I just I don't I'm open to everything and 373 00:16:06,480 --> 00:16:07,320 Speaker 2: attached to nothing. 374 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: That's how I'm trying to live my life. 375 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 3: Okay, law detachment, you know, just the opportunities kind of 376 00:16:13,000 --> 00:16:13,480 Speaker 3: come in. 377 00:16:13,520 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 2: Yes and let them, but just be just be in 378 00:16:17,880 --> 00:16:20,840 Speaker 2: being being right with who I am. I think everything 379 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 2: falls accordingly when you are right within who you are. 380 00:16:24,320 --> 00:16:26,960 Speaker 3: I can see you voicing like a Pixar Charecter. 381 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:30,400 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I want to do that. I'm going to do that. 382 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 2: I'm britting that down like. 383 00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:35,320 Speaker 3: Inside out three or something like that. Like this, something 384 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 3: needs to happen to just. 385 00:16:36,240 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 2: Give me an opportunity, please anyone. 386 00:16:39,800 --> 00:16:41,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, how do you train for stuff like that? Like 387 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,920 Speaker 3: did you go to like coaching for like voice worce coach? 388 00:16:44,400 --> 00:16:46,720 Speaker 2: Have a voice coach who's also she kind of doubles 389 00:16:46,760 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: as my acting coach. Full circle moment with her when 390 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 2: twenty something years ago, when she first moved to Atlanta 391 00:16:53,440 --> 00:16:55,840 Speaker 2: from New York, she was an amazing voice over talent 392 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,400 Speaker 2: in New York. I think her husband got an opportunity 393 00:16:58,440 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 2: down here and she was used to, you know, making 394 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:03,280 Speaker 2: cold calls because back then, you're going to make a 395 00:17:03,320 --> 00:17:06,080 Speaker 2: cold call to an agency and they'll you know, yeah, 396 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:07,199 Speaker 2: you can come in for this audition. 397 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:08,160 Speaker 1: Atlanta was different. 398 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:11,120 Speaker 2: We're a little you know, obviously, especially back then, lots slower, 399 00:17:11,560 --> 00:17:13,160 Speaker 2: and so people were like, you can't do that. 400 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:15,480 Speaker 1: You can't just cold call and come in here, right. 401 00:17:15,560 --> 00:17:17,440 Speaker 2: So I was at La Face Records in the music 402 00:17:17,520 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 2: video department, one of my jobs before a radio. 403 00:17:21,359 --> 00:17:24,840 Speaker 1: And we were doing a commercial for Donelle Jones. 404 00:17:24,880 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 2: We were because back then you wouldn't get you hide 405 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:29,800 Speaker 2: the voiceover talent and then you go through the agency 406 00:17:29,960 --> 00:17:32,280 Speaker 2: take them to the studio. And I was kind of 407 00:17:32,280 --> 00:17:34,560 Speaker 2: produced that I'm twenty two years old, like doing all 408 00:17:34,600 --> 00:17:35,440 Speaker 2: this was crazy. 409 00:17:35,760 --> 00:17:37,920 Speaker 1: So long story short, she just. 410 00:17:37,920 --> 00:17:40,840 Speaker 2: Told me once we got back together, she was like, 411 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:44,240 Speaker 2: I never told you, but I went to an agent 412 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:47,920 Speaker 2: and the agent said, if you booked this Face Records commercial, 413 00:17:48,520 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 2: I will be your agent. I was the one that 414 00:17:51,600 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 2: chose my now coach for that commercial. Okay, yes, so 415 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:58,159 Speaker 2: many years ago, and she said, I never got a 416 00:17:58,240 --> 00:18:00,680 Speaker 2: chance to thank you because that was my entryway into 417 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,560 Speaker 2: the voice of the world here in Atlanta. So now 418 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:06,240 Speaker 2: I get to pay it forward by being your coach. 419 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:10,199 Speaker 2: And now I have encouraged her her Her businesses is 420 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 2: growing and more people are, you know, going to her. 421 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:17,080 Speaker 2: She's so beautiful and she's a talent herself and a singer, like, 422 00:18:17,160 --> 00:18:19,959 Speaker 2: so she's just really great and we work on characters, 423 00:18:20,080 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 2: work on accents, we work gone obviously seeing work, and 424 00:18:23,520 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 2: she helps me coach. She coaches me through all of 425 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:29,359 Speaker 2: my stuff for Tyler Perry too as well. So I 426 00:18:30,080 --> 00:18:32,760 Speaker 2: love her in my life and I think that all 427 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:35,800 Speaker 2: of us need some type of coach to lead us. 428 00:18:35,840 --> 00:18:37,480 Speaker 1: I'm going to just keep her that I'm a leader 429 00:18:37,520 --> 00:18:39,439 Speaker 1: who likes to be led, you know. 430 00:18:39,680 --> 00:18:42,359 Speaker 3: Speaking of coaching, I always think about in sports, they 431 00:18:42,400 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 3: kind of call the coaching tree. They talk about, you know, 432 00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 3: you think like about a Nick Sagan, right, like all 433 00:18:46,680 --> 00:18:48,440 Speaker 3: the coaches that have come up under him and they're 434 00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:50,800 Speaker 3: now head coaches. And I kind of think about that, 435 00:18:50,840 --> 00:18:52,960 Speaker 3: even going back to like Ryan Cameron for a second, right, 436 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:55,000 Speaker 3: like all the people that have opened up, you know, 437 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:57,560 Speaker 3: opportunities because he opened up doors for him. I even 438 00:18:57,560 --> 00:18:59,520 Speaker 3: think about it myself, just in kind of the tech 439 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 3: and marketing space. There are a lot of people around 440 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:03,600 Speaker 3: the city of Atlanta that, you know, I gave their 441 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,000 Speaker 3: first internship to another Like, who are some people that 442 00:19:07,040 --> 00:19:08,439 Speaker 3: are on you know, you talked about your voice and 443 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,399 Speaker 3: acting coach, Like, are there other people kind of on 444 00:19:10,440 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: the Rashan a Lee coaching tree that starting. 445 00:19:13,520 --> 00:19:15,680 Speaker 2: So many people that have kind of come up under 446 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 2: my I won't say like a coaching tree or something 447 00:19:18,760 --> 00:19:22,479 Speaker 2: like that, but have intern or have been given an 448 00:19:22,520 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 2: opportunity that I have been kind of like the conduit, 449 00:19:26,880 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 2: the person that the reason for that opportunity. He and 450 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:33,640 Speaker 2: I used to host an event. He was a DJ 451 00:19:33,920 --> 00:19:36,280 Speaker 2: for and I was the on air town not on 452 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:37,840 Speaker 2: air talent, but I was the what do you call 453 00:19:37,880 --> 00:19:41,639 Speaker 2: it chow the personality right, Okay, I'm just having all 454 00:19:41,680 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 2: these brain farts today at Underground. 455 00:19:44,240 --> 00:19:48,440 Speaker 1: Okay, Tiva? What Tiva? Who does exactly? Is Atlanta Green? 456 00:19:48,760 --> 00:19:51,400 Speaker 2: He was the promoter and so it would be Jay 457 00:19:51,400 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 2: One and then it would be DJ Cowboy. But Jay 458 00:19:53,840 --> 00:19:56,000 Speaker 2: One wants a set up guy, and he every week 459 00:19:56,000 --> 00:19:58,040 Speaker 2: he's like, man, you need to give me an opportunity 460 00:19:58,359 --> 00:19:59,520 Speaker 2: one of seven nine please. 461 00:19:59,560 --> 00:20:00,920 Speaker 1: I just want to dude, the mix show. 462 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 2: I just wanted to mix show every week you know 463 00:20:02,760 --> 00:20:05,680 Speaker 2: when they have like when it was you know, Memorial 464 00:20:05,760 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 2: Day and things like that. So he kept asking me. 465 00:20:08,119 --> 00:20:09,520 Speaker 2: He's like, Le'm go give you my CD. I'm gonna 466 00:20:09,520 --> 00:20:11,600 Speaker 2: give you all these things, and so fast forward. Then 467 00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,440 Speaker 2: he started bringing like the morning show donuts and bangels 468 00:20:15,440 --> 00:20:17,400 Speaker 2: from Panello Bread and I was like, man, this guy 469 00:20:17,520 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 2: is really one. So finally because Emperor Serci, who was 470 00:20:20,640 --> 00:20:22,280 Speaker 2: on the show at the time, he was ahead, he 471 00:20:22,320 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 2: was the national mix show DJ coordinator, finally gave j 472 00:20:25,840 --> 00:20:26,680 Speaker 2: one an opportunity. 473 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 1: He killed it. 474 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:30,560 Speaker 2: They called him back again and his whole radio life 475 00:20:30,600 --> 00:20:33,760 Speaker 2: started from that opportunity when I told Circe about him 476 00:20:33,760 --> 00:20:35,879 Speaker 2: and gave him his CD from there, And now he's 477 00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:38,440 Speaker 2: literally at Pandora. 478 00:20:38,320 --> 00:20:41,159 Speaker 1: Be High, who does the podcast and over Hot. He 479 00:20:41,240 --> 00:20:44,480 Speaker 1: was my intern, he was my intern ATL one seven 480 00:20:44,520 --> 00:20:45,359 Speaker 1: and he's killing it. 481 00:20:45,520 --> 00:20:48,920 Speaker 2: He been killing the game through his work long before 482 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:50,240 Speaker 2: all of this became so popular. 483 00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,679 Speaker 1: So I'm so very proud of him. I have one 484 00:20:52,720 --> 00:20:53,400 Speaker 1: sister who. 485 00:20:53,280 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 2: Interned for me at Hot one of seven nine, who 486 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:58,679 Speaker 2: just DJ the Black Excellence event at the White House. 487 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:00,679 Speaker 1: Yes, she's from. 488 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:03,680 Speaker 2: Chicago, so like so many people, and I always say, 489 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 2: you're only as good as how great your interns become. Whoever, 490 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:10,399 Speaker 2: whatever you do, if you're touched with somebody's life, if 491 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 2: you're making a difference. Oh and my old intern at 492 00:21:13,200 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 2: Hot now does all of these beautiful decorative cakes and 493 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,879 Speaker 2: she did one for Usher the other day, like they 494 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,400 Speaker 2: rolled it out on a you know, at the concert 495 00:21:22,440 --> 00:21:24,919 Speaker 2: and she has brick and mortar, like two brick and 496 00:21:24,960 --> 00:21:27,480 Speaker 2: mortar buildings with her just making. 497 00:21:27,240 --> 00:21:27,879 Speaker 1: Cakes and stuff. 498 00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,080 Speaker 2: I'm just like, I just love to see it so 499 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:32,280 Speaker 2: that I wouldn't say that's my coaching tree. But like 500 00:21:32,480 --> 00:21:35,560 Speaker 2: those people, I've touched those people in some type of way. 501 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 2: And those are just four people or three people whoever 502 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:41,560 Speaker 2: I mentioned, But like I just I just I love 503 00:21:41,600 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 2: the fact that I'm able to do that, and I 504 00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:44,880 Speaker 2: think that's what we're here for. 505 00:21:45,320 --> 00:21:46,800 Speaker 1: Like how you giving back? How are you? 506 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:50,239 Speaker 2: And giving back doesn't look the same for everybody. And 507 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,560 Speaker 2: so I know that was a long story. I wanted 508 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 2: to make sure that I got that. And he has 509 00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:59,520 Speaker 2: since you know, been interviewed and always shows me love 510 00:22:00,200 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 2: for that opportunity. You know. 511 00:22:01,480 --> 00:22:04,640 Speaker 3: It's funny with with j One. So I saw him, 512 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:06,840 Speaker 3: I think last year at the Falcons game, and like, 513 00:22:06,880 --> 00:22:08,159 Speaker 3: you know, we kind of bumped into each other a 514 00:22:08,200 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 3: few times. It's like, you know, you know it, just 515 00:22:10,080 --> 00:22:12,200 Speaker 3: like I think I know that guy, but you're not sure. 516 00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 3: One day I was looking at and I said, and 517 00:22:14,520 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 3: I ain't gonna say his real name, But I said, man, 518 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:21,200 Speaker 3: we went the Moorhouse together, right, And I remember, I said, 519 00:22:21,200 --> 00:22:23,520 Speaker 3: you used to have this little raggedy actor Integra, and 520 00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:25,840 Speaker 3: we would get in your car on Fridays we would 521 00:22:25,840 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 3: all go to the store. He was like, oh yeah, 522 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 3: we all we all say the same door. 523 00:22:29,960 --> 00:22:30,600 Speaker 1: Oh my god. 524 00:22:30,800 --> 00:22:32,920 Speaker 3: We would literally like get rides and we would all 525 00:22:32,960 --> 00:22:34,719 Speaker 3: hang out, you know, and then I leaving and going 526 00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:36,440 Speaker 3: to another school. But like I was like, bro, even 527 00:22:36,480 --> 00:22:39,160 Speaker 3: like that. It's just funny how Atlanta's just so connected. 528 00:22:39,320 --> 00:22:39,480 Speaker 1: Right. 529 00:22:40,200 --> 00:22:41,560 Speaker 3: That's why I say out here, like you gotta do 530 00:22:41,600 --> 00:22:42,800 Speaker 3: good work, you know what I mean, because you never 531 00:22:42,800 --> 00:22:44,119 Speaker 3: know who you're gonna bump into, No. 532 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:46,560 Speaker 1: You never know. That's my thing. 533 00:22:46,640 --> 00:22:50,159 Speaker 2: Be good to people, man, be good, be kind, because 534 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:53,080 Speaker 2: it comes back to you tenfold. And that's that's how 535 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:55,400 Speaker 2: I have operated. That's how I lived my life. That's 536 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: how it was raised. Just to be good. You ain't 537 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:00,760 Speaker 2: gonna hear nothing bad about me in the streets. 538 00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: Is not just not go here. 539 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 3: Everybody's home, girl. 540 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 1: I mean, that's what That's how I try to show up. 541 00:23:05,720 --> 00:23:08,199 Speaker 2: But that's just it's a testament to my parents and 542 00:23:08,240 --> 00:23:10,240 Speaker 2: also who I've become as a woman and also the 543 00:23:10,280 --> 00:23:12,399 Speaker 2: confidence that I have as a woman. Now just you know, 544 00:23:13,119 --> 00:23:15,280 Speaker 2: I am who I am. This is it, this is 545 00:23:15,280 --> 00:23:16,600 Speaker 2: this is all you go get man. 546 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:16,840 Speaker 1: You know. 547 00:23:17,040 --> 00:23:21,960 Speaker 2: And uh, I'm really I'm becoming very happy with how 548 00:23:22,040 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 2: I'm turning out. 549 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:24,720 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I mean Atlanta is a big part of 550 00:23:24,720 --> 00:23:26,920 Speaker 3: your story. I mean again, especially the east Side. Shout 551 00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:28,879 Speaker 3: out to the east Side, you know. And I went 552 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,360 Speaker 3: to read and I know, I know, you know y'all 553 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: got some so so but we all still love though 554 00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:36,160 Speaker 3: the east Side. But but like, how is just being 555 00:23:36,160 --> 00:23:38,399 Speaker 3: in Atlanta, you know, shaped how you kind of approach 556 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 3: all the work that you do. Now. 557 00:23:39,880 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 2: Oh, I mean, I say I get the best of 558 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:43,600 Speaker 2: both words you mentioned, obviously the east Side. I was 559 00:23:43,600 --> 00:23:46,400 Speaker 2: born in Atlanta, raised Indicator, so I fit I can 560 00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 2: represent both sides. You know, I don't really know anything different, 561 00:23:50,400 --> 00:23:52,240 Speaker 2: and I think that is one thing that I would 562 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,160 Speaker 2: like to change about my life. You know, it's time, 563 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 2: it's time to get it's time to move on from 564 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 2: from Atlanta. 565 00:23:57,520 --> 00:24:00,560 Speaker 1: I think I've done a lot here. 566 00:24:00,920 --> 00:24:04,359 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I would love to be by coastal or 567 00:24:04,440 --> 00:24:07,439 Speaker 2: by continent or something, you know, at one point. 568 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 1: But this is my foundation. 569 00:24:09,480 --> 00:24:13,359 Speaker 2: I think that being true to Atlanta, like really being 570 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:16,359 Speaker 2: true to Atlanta. I can wear that like a badge 571 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:18,160 Speaker 2: of honor, because you know, it's a lot of people 572 00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,280 Speaker 2: that have come to our city converge upon our city. 573 00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 2: You don't find a lot of people who are actually 574 00:24:21,760 --> 00:24:22,520 Speaker 2: from here anymore. 575 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:23,280 Speaker 1: So. 576 00:24:23,520 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 2: But I'm telling you, if you meet a woman from Atlanta, 577 00:24:26,880 --> 00:24:32,720 Speaker 2: from Atlanta, from Atlanta who lives in Atlanta, from Atlanta, Atlanta, 578 00:24:32,920 --> 00:24:34,240 Speaker 2: do they say it right? 579 00:24:34,440 --> 00:24:36,240 Speaker 1: Even whatever it is, Metro Atlanta, whatever. 580 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:40,040 Speaker 2: Folks that were raised here are probably some of the 581 00:24:40,080 --> 00:24:44,320 Speaker 2: coolest women you've ever met, absolutely true to Atlanta. Because 582 00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:46,359 Speaker 2: you know, an Atlanta girl when you see it, you 583 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:49,000 Speaker 2: you mean, like, oh, she she from She's from here. 584 00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:53,040 Speaker 2: From here, We're different, we move different. You'll never meet 585 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 2: a woman like an Atlanta woman, a real one. And 586 00:24:55,840 --> 00:24:58,040 Speaker 2: so I stand on that, and I think all of us, 587 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,680 Speaker 2: like all my my core people, like my folk, we 588 00:25:00,760 --> 00:25:01,800 Speaker 2: all really. 589 00:25:01,560 --> 00:25:02,120 Speaker 1: Act to like. 590 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:04,640 Speaker 3: What you call them, a town girl. 591 00:25:06,040 --> 00:25:06,880 Speaker 1: Like that whole song. 592 00:25:06,920 --> 00:25:09,719 Speaker 2: I mean, you know, given take a couple of words, uh, 593 00:25:10,240 --> 00:25:12,639 Speaker 2: you know, scenarios, but like there are women like that. 594 00:25:12,680 --> 00:25:15,960 Speaker 2: And when that song came out and I was thinking 595 00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,280 Speaker 2: there was going to be bigger than it was. But 596 00:25:19,440 --> 00:25:29,680 Speaker 2: I love that record and it's true true today. 597 00:25:33,880 --> 00:25:35,359 Speaker 3: You know what thing you kind of mentioned, you know, 598 00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,600 Speaker 3: expanding beyond it. I think about that myself, Like, you know, 599 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 3: one day, I don't know if I'll live here forever. 600 00:25:41,040 --> 00:25:42,440 Speaker 3: But the one thing I've always kind of wondered about 601 00:25:42,480 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 3: is where would I go? Atlanta is such like a 602 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,960 Speaker 3: unique place it is. That's one thing I've kind of 603 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 3: struggled with. And you know, if you ever thought about where, 604 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,359 Speaker 3: where are some places? You think that you know again, 605 00:25:51,400 --> 00:25:54,520 Speaker 3: whether it's I don't want to be by water. I 606 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:55,960 Speaker 3: want to be by some water, But like if you 607 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:58,040 Speaker 3: were to leave Atlanta, where where were some places you 608 00:25:58,119 --> 00:25:58,600 Speaker 3: might end up? 609 00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,919 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I definitely want to spot in La. I 610 00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:01,280 Speaker 1: just do. 611 00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,960 Speaker 2: I love LA when I when I go to LA 612 00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:06,000 Speaker 2: and I do my self care in La, like I 613 00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 2: take solo trips to LA and just and hang out 614 00:26:08,800 --> 00:26:11,760 Speaker 2: with my friends out there or not or just I 615 00:26:11,840 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 2: just like being out there. So I know, eventually I 616 00:26:14,840 --> 00:26:17,800 Speaker 2: want to have something. I know it's extremely expensive and 617 00:26:17,840 --> 00:26:18,960 Speaker 2: all of that, but I want to be in a 618 00:26:19,040 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: position to have a piece of property out there or 619 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 2: condo or just do a verbal or Airbnb that that's 620 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:28,120 Speaker 2: mine and I still love like. 621 00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:29,160 Speaker 1: I love for it, laudadale. 622 00:26:29,160 --> 00:26:33,800 Speaker 2: I love the water, but also like speaking, you know, vastly, 623 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,160 Speaker 2: I want to maybe go somewhere. 624 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,760 Speaker 1: In Africa, don't you know. I don't know. I'm just 625 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:41,320 Speaker 1: I don't want to limit myself. 626 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:43,119 Speaker 3: I got some stories about Africa. I'm going to tell 627 00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:44,600 Speaker 3: you right now, have you been? Have you been Africa? 628 00:26:44,760 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 2: Not? 629 00:26:45,359 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 3: Okay, So I'm working on something. We'll talk about that 630 00:26:48,240 --> 00:26:50,359 Speaker 3: off of this. I'm working on something, you know, to 631 00:26:50,400 --> 00:26:53,320 Speaker 3: potentially take some folks out there. Really, I was in 632 00:26:53,400 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 3: Cape Town last year. I went out there for buddy 633 00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,520 Speaker 3: Mine's birthday. I stayed for eight days. I did not 634 00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,760 Speaker 3: want to leave. Wow, and Cape Town is like the 635 00:27:02,760 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 3: Buckhead of Africa. I'll just tell you it's it's nice, 636 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 3: but it's not what they like. It's not like Africa 637 00:27:07,680 --> 00:27:09,199 Speaker 3: Africa like you might think. Like when I say that, 638 00:27:10,040 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 3: you know, it's not as diverse. I remember on the 639 00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:13,840 Speaker 3: plane out there, I was like, with only black people 640 00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,600 Speaker 3: on this plane, like behind the Cape Town. I remember asking, 641 00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:18,440 Speaker 3: I think we were like me and my three or 642 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:19,880 Speaker 3: four friends. I went out there. I was looking around 643 00:27:19,920 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: like is it just us on this plane only black 644 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,000 Speaker 3: people going to Africa. But we found the folks out there. 645 00:27:24,000 --> 00:27:27,080 Speaker 3: We had an amazing time. That was so beautiful. But 646 00:27:27,600 --> 00:27:30,360 Speaker 3: and I remember even wanting to leave. We we stretched 647 00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 3: it out, Like when it was time to go, I 648 00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:34,160 Speaker 3: was like, we just want this one more restaurant real quick. 649 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,639 Speaker 3: Just tell the driver just to follow us here and 650 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 3: just put all our bags and like we left the 651 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 3: restaurant and got in the car and damn near cried 652 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 3: going to the airport, like I don't want to go home. 653 00:27:44,520 --> 00:27:46,639 Speaker 3: I'm telling you that trip. All I kept saying to 654 00:27:46,720 --> 00:27:49,400 Speaker 3: my friends was they lied to us. They lied to us, 655 00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:51,679 Speaker 3: They lied to us, and that was only a small 656 00:27:51,760 --> 00:27:54,640 Speaker 3: piece of it. So I'm telling you right now, one 657 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:57,119 Speaker 3: hundred percent, we need to go see Africa. 658 00:27:57,240 --> 00:27:57,480 Speaker 1: Yeah. 659 00:27:57,800 --> 00:28:00,440 Speaker 3: It is. It has everything that you need, everything you want, 660 00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:03,520 Speaker 3: and it's nothing like people think it is. Again, I'm 661 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,119 Speaker 3: talking to a friend of mine out in Ghana right 662 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:07,320 Speaker 3: now about maybe doing something out there next year, taking 663 00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,119 Speaker 3: some folks out there. It is life changing. That's what 664 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:11,960 Speaker 3: I hear in every way, shape or form. 665 00:28:12,040 --> 00:28:15,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I did my DNA too, so I'm from 666 00:28:15,440 --> 00:28:18,600 Speaker 2: West Africa, Guinea South, so I've done that and I 667 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:20,720 Speaker 2: traced back to the Fulani tribes. I looked up the 668 00:28:20,720 --> 00:28:23,119 Speaker 2: Fulani tribe. I'm like, oh my god, these women we 669 00:28:23,200 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 2: look alike literally, you know, high cheek bones, like like 670 00:28:26,680 --> 00:28:28,120 Speaker 2: skin tone like everything. 671 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:30,600 Speaker 1: I'm like, these my people, man. I want to meet 672 00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 1: my people. I want to see if I meet. 673 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 3: My people, see if i'd some cousins or something like that. 674 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:36,480 Speaker 1: I want to meet a Fuilani woman. 675 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:38,880 Speaker 3: And it's funny because every time I'm down, like in 676 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,760 Speaker 3: the Caribbean or d everybody thinks I'm Haitian. I didn't 677 00:28:41,760 --> 00:28:44,280 Speaker 3: mine too. I'm from like Molly, you know what I'm saying, Okay, 678 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 3: kind of like Western Africa a little bit too, so 679 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 3: you know, got a little Nigerian in me. 680 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 1: Nice, you know. 681 00:28:48,880 --> 00:28:49,560 Speaker 3: I asked my parents. 682 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:50,240 Speaker 1: I was like that. 683 00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 3: I was like, I feel like I owt me some 684 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:54,040 Speaker 3: money or something like that, like meet the whole thing 685 00:28:54,080 --> 00:28:54,840 Speaker 3: to come around. 686 00:28:55,000 --> 00:28:57,520 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. I'm just not going 687 00:28:57,560 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 1: I'm just not. 688 00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:00,080 Speaker 2: I don't want to cap myself on anything like and 689 00:29:00,160 --> 00:29:01,440 Speaker 2: want to put a cap on anything. No. 690 00:29:01,520 --> 00:29:03,160 Speaker 3: I mean, look, when you go out there, you just 691 00:29:03,200 --> 00:29:06,240 Speaker 3: realize you're like if this is just one part of 692 00:29:06,240 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 3: this place, right, there's so much more of Africa to see. 693 00:29:10,840 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 3: Like again going out there, for me, I was like, 694 00:29:13,040 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 3: as much as I want to go see you know, 695 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:16,600 Speaker 3: Rome and Italy and some of these other places I've 696 00:29:16,600 --> 00:29:18,080 Speaker 3: been to China, been to some other I was like, 697 00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 3: I just want to explore more of this continent, Like 698 00:29:20,400 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 3: I want to see everything this place has to offer, 699 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,200 Speaker 3: because this is one of the most amazing things and 700 00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 3: places I've ever been. Right so, I'm telling you right now, 701 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:27,480 Speaker 3: like the. 702 00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:29,480 Speaker 1: First place of humanity, We're not going to get into that. 703 00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,400 Speaker 3: I'm not getting that right now. That'll be a different 704 00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,720 Speaker 3: that'll be a different episode of the podcast, right right, 705 00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 3: right right now. One thing you always do to you 706 00:29:36,360 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 3: always again and talk about, you know, it's important to 707 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 3: follow your own path. But you know, just for the 708 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:43,160 Speaker 3: folks that are out there getting started, you know, sometimes 709 00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: it's hard to follow your path and you can't kind 710 00:29:44,880 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 3: of see the next step. Just what have you learned 711 00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 3: about kind of stepping out on faith and kind of 712 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 3: pursuing your dreams and just knowing things are going to 713 00:29:51,560 --> 00:29:51,880 Speaker 3: work out. 714 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:53,360 Speaker 1: The blessing is in the movement. 715 00:29:54,360 --> 00:29:56,560 Speaker 2: You just got to keep moving even if it doesn't 716 00:29:56,560 --> 00:30:00,920 Speaker 2: feel like you know who whatever you serve will let 717 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:02,280 Speaker 2: you know like it's something that's not right. 718 00:30:02,520 --> 00:30:05,520 Speaker 1: But I feel like even when I don't know, because 719 00:30:05,560 --> 00:30:06,200 Speaker 1: I don't know a. 720 00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:11,880 Speaker 2: Lot, I still move, meaning I'll book a gig, or 721 00:30:11,920 --> 00:30:14,680 Speaker 2: i'll do you know, I'll i'll get a roll, or 722 00:30:14,720 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 2: I'll keep moving on, I'll keep working on different things. 723 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,200 Speaker 2: And I feel like when you move, you can only 724 00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,800 Speaker 2: be met with that momentum. Yeah, for you know, when 725 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:27,360 Speaker 2: when it's that thing that you want, unless you absolutely 726 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,680 Speaker 2: need to stand still, that's your season to stand still. 727 00:30:29,720 --> 00:30:32,560 Speaker 2: I get that too, But I have learned and that's 728 00:30:32,600 --> 00:30:35,240 Speaker 2: what I say constantly when I'm being interviewed or when 729 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:38,160 Speaker 2: people ask me a question like this or similar. The 730 00:30:38,240 --> 00:30:42,240 Speaker 2: blessing for me has been in the movement. Just keep moving. 731 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter the pace. See, this world makes us 732 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:49,920 Speaker 2: think we have to go so fast with everything pace. 733 00:30:50,480 --> 00:30:52,800 Speaker 2: It's literally a marathon, not a sprint. And I know 734 00:30:52,840 --> 00:30:55,680 Speaker 2: that's very cliche, but I have seen that it's still 735 00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:56,960 Speaker 2: it's really the long game. 736 00:30:57,360 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's the long game. 737 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 3: Yeah. I think a lot of people, yeah, they played 738 00:31:01,080 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: the short game. Like I read something one time. It 739 00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:06,480 Speaker 3: was it was saying, you know, make make decisions for 740 00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:09,719 Speaker 3: your future self, you know, make decisions because you know, 741 00:31:09,840 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 3: in the current situation you'll feel one way, but like 742 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 3: make decisions that your future self is going to appreciate. 743 00:31:14,320 --> 00:31:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah. 744 00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:16,560 Speaker 3: And I have a friend of mine, you know, he 745 00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:20,640 Speaker 3: would always say life is more about motion than direction. Yeah, 746 00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:23,320 Speaker 3: to your point, right, It's like it's about in the movement. 747 00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:26,000 Speaker 3: It's about keeping things going, just kind of putting one 748 00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:27,680 Speaker 3: step front the other one and kind of moving in 749 00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:30,040 Speaker 3: that right direction. You know. Before we get out of here, 750 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 3: my question for you is, with all the experiences you had, 751 00:31:33,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 3: everything you've learned over your career, if there was a 752 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:39,880 Speaker 3: Rashaan A Lee billboard somewhere in Atlanta. Now, BMF said 753 00:31:39,920 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 3: the world was BMF, so we're not going to go there. 754 00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:43,960 Speaker 3: But if there was a Rashaan I Lee billboard somewhere 755 00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 3: in Atlanta, what would be on that billboard? 756 00:31:47,240 --> 00:31:50,200 Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. I think. 757 00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,880 Speaker 2: The thing that's coming to my mind right now is 758 00:31:53,320 --> 00:31:55,640 Speaker 2: I hope you dance. I don't know if you know 759 00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 2: this song by Leamne Womack, I think, but is basically 760 00:31:59,760 --> 00:32:03,720 Speaker 2: talk about how people take chances in life. Will you 761 00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:06,800 Speaker 2: sit it out or where you dance when you have 762 00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:09,800 Speaker 2: the opportunity to do something that's even more grand than 763 00:32:09,840 --> 00:32:12,840 Speaker 2: you ever thought that your mind could fathom. And I 764 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,960 Speaker 2: hope when you get the opportunity that you don't sit 765 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:21,360 Speaker 2: it out, that you actually dance, And that means grasp. 766 00:32:21,280 --> 00:32:23,720 Speaker 1: Life, whatever's supposed. 767 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:26,520 Speaker 2: To be yours divinely, let it fall into your lap, 768 00:32:26,560 --> 00:32:29,320 Speaker 2: and let it meet you where you are, so that 769 00:32:29,360 --> 00:32:33,560 Speaker 2: we can all truly live the purpose the life that 770 00:32:33,600 --> 00:32:36,320 Speaker 2: we're supposed to have while we're here. And I think 771 00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:38,239 Speaker 2: that's what the that's the journey that I'm on right now. 772 00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:41,240 Speaker 2: I'm in a space where I'm just trying to literally 773 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 2: be whatever that next version of that is. The person 774 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,479 Speaker 2: that I know is in here, she's so big and 775 00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,440 Speaker 2: not to talk about myself in third person, but like, 776 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,080 Speaker 2: of course, we have to work on ourselves to get 777 00:32:53,120 --> 00:32:54,200 Speaker 2: to that level. 778 00:32:54,440 --> 00:32:55,800 Speaker 1: But I feel, I feel. 779 00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,200 Speaker 2: It coming, and I don't know what it is. I 780 00:32:58,240 --> 00:32:59,800 Speaker 2: don't know how big it's going to be. It's going 781 00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:02,240 Speaker 2: to be something I can't even fathom. And I want 782 00:33:02,240 --> 00:33:05,680 Speaker 2: to dance and I don't want to sit out and 783 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:07,280 Speaker 2: watch it. 784 00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,320 Speaker 1: I gotta be a willing participant. 785 00:33:09,760 --> 00:33:12,480 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you wouldn't feel it if it wasn't in you right, 786 00:33:12,600 --> 00:33:14,040 Speaker 3: It's something I've learned over the years. 787 00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:15,480 Speaker 1: Yeah and yeah, you. 788 00:33:15,440 --> 00:33:17,920 Speaker 3: Know again you have every right and that's the whole 789 00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 3: purpose is again to be the best, most full version 790 00:33:20,920 --> 00:33:23,480 Speaker 3: of yourself. Yeah, and not dimn that for anybody. 791 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:26,120 Speaker 1: I can't. I can't do that or dimm it for yourself. 792 00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:27,000 Speaker 3: Different for yourself. 793 00:33:27,080 --> 00:33:30,720 Speaker 1: Right, that's the biggest struggle. It's us. 794 00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: I don't care what people think about me. I'm a 795 00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 2: reform people pleaser. I'm cool on everybody. 796 00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:41,000 Speaker 1: That's nice. All right, now, I see your friend. I don't. 797 00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:41,840 Speaker 1: I don't care. 798 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:44,400 Speaker 2: I used to care what people thought. I'm like, oh 799 00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:46,640 Speaker 2: my god, the energy I spent on that. But I 800 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,400 Speaker 2: have to learn to become a better version of for Shan, 801 00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:50,520 Speaker 2: so that could stop care. I really, I literally don't. 802 00:33:50,920 --> 00:33:52,200 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't care. 803 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,440 Speaker 3: Well, I'm gonna tell you right now. We love this 804 00:33:54,560 --> 00:33:57,120 Speaker 3: version for Sean, and you appreciate you pulling up to 805 00:33:57,160 --> 00:33:59,120 Speaker 3: the pod before we got to here. Ra Sean, how 806 00:33:59,160 --> 00:34:01,400 Speaker 3: can people find do you support you, follow you all 807 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:01,920 Speaker 3: that good stuff? 808 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm rashaan Alie everywhere I didn't. That's one thing that 809 00:34:05,560 --> 00:34:07,880 Speaker 2: I will encourage people to do. If you can keep 810 00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,319 Speaker 2: your name consistent on all your socials and all that things. 811 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,680 Speaker 1: Try to do that. It's easy for people to find you. 812 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:18,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, Rashaan Alie everywhere from Instagram to Facebook to Twitter 813 00:34:18,239 --> 00:34:21,239 Speaker 2: x or whatever whatever they call it whatever. Yeah, but 814 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 2: I'm more active on Instagram. It's easy for me. 815 00:34:24,719 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: I know. 816 00:34:24,920 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 2: People are like, he should get on TikTok. I'm like, 817 00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 2: I just can't navigate another app. I can't do it now, 818 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 2: I'm not gonna do it. 819 00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:34,440 Speaker 3: It's a lot. Yeah, there's gonna be more coming. 820 00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:36,799 Speaker 1: So I know, I know. But yeah, Rashan a Lee 821 00:34:37,040 --> 00:34:38,399 Speaker 1: everywhere check me out. 822 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:40,880 Speaker 3: Well, Rashaan A Lee, thank you so much for pulling up. 823 00:34:40,920 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 3: We appreciate you. Keep on doing the amazing work. We 824 00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,840 Speaker 3: hear the support. Yes, and uh that's the pod you 825 00:34:45,880 --> 00:34:48,719 Speaker 3: all we out. You've been listening to butter Nomics and 826 00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,880 Speaker 3: I'm your host, Brandon Butler. Comments feedback. Want to be 827 00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 3: a part of the show, send us an email today 828 00:34:54,040 --> 00:34:57,320 Speaker 3: at hello at butterdomics dot com. Butter Nomics is produced 829 00:34:57,360 --> 00:35:00,720 Speaker 3: in Atlanta, Georgia at iHeartMedia by Ramsey, with marketing support 830 00:35:00,719 --> 00:35:03,960 Speaker 3: from Queen and Nike. Music provided by mister Hankey. 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