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Speaker 2: on the Volume Podcast Network. It's Wednesday, December first, and

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Speaker 2: we've got a very special episode. We are wrapping up

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Speaker 2: our conversation about Marcus Thompson's Dynasties, which we've been reading

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Speaker 2: an interview with Marcus. Great interview. I feel like we

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Speaker 3: A great interview when we end the interview and.

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Speaker 2: But as always, Jenkins and Jones hosted by my good

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Speaker 3: Jethro Jenkins aka John was that Bubba's.

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Speaker 4: very price is righty? There was a welcome to that.

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Speaker 4: You know that was a lot of motherfucker you know

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Speaker 2: Early on Wednesdays now, So I got to like you know,

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Speaker 3: Welcome, my g before we get to Marcus.

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Speaker 2: We did all get a chance to catch that that

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Speaker 2: Sun's Warriors game last night, not the game I was

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Speaker 2: hoping for. I'll just be completely honestly, when I was

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Speaker 2: and watch the whole game. So I wanted to see

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Speaker 2: Steph go. I wanted to see Steph go. Shut me

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Speaker 2: straight up. And that's what it is. The Warriors are

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Speaker 2: great team, the Sons are a great team. But basketball

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Speaker 2: is still the sport where if I clear my schedule

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Speaker 2: for a Tuesday for that game, I want to see

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Speaker 2: Steph go eighteen and nineteen from Beyond.

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Speaker 3: The Ark do some crazy shit, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Steph stunk it up. I mean I think it

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Speaker 1: was what four for twenty one or something crazy statisically.

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Speaker 4: Worst game I think he's had, Yeah yeah, yeah yeah.

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Speaker 1: But but the thing about Steph is, next game, you

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Speaker 1: can't that must that is gonna be must C TV

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Speaker 1: because that boy's gonna, yeah, he's gonna spas the funk

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Speaker 1: out whoever he plays against. Next he doesn't have bad games,

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Speaker 1: you know, back to back like that, So we'll see

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Speaker 1: the things that I were tripping.

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Speaker 4: First of all, pay eight and please, what the fuck

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Speaker 4: are y'all doing? You are fucking weird and a little

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Speaker 4: crazy for not paying that man. But what tripped me

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Speaker 4: out is, like, is there anyone who understands basketball better

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Speaker 4: than Chris Paul? Like, you know what I'm saying is

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Speaker 4: closing in on forty you know what I'm saying. Like

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Speaker 4: he can't score like he used too, he can't defend

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Speaker 4: like he used to, but he still controls the fucking

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Speaker 4: game like fucking Frederic chop Band in this motherfucker mind,

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Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like he's I mean, it's

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Speaker 4: Booker went out and they were down, and they ended

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Speaker 4: I mean, well they were just they were They made

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Speaker 4: everything hard for Steph and that's gonna make it hard

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Speaker 4: but it's still the most valuable player on that team,

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Speaker 1: Point god man, indeed, he's one of the goats, Bro.

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Speaker 1: You know, like I said, he's the most complete point

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Speaker 1: guard I've ever seen. You know, Like, I think that's

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Speaker 3: They did. Steph was like, I mean, he was airball

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Speaker 3: and shit, Steph was in jail secutively.

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Speaker 4: Yes, Steph was in jail. Bro and Michael Bridge, I

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Speaker 4: did it, dude, Like Bridges had that, Man, he wasn't.

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Speaker 4: I mean this motherfuckers. So he's a murderer, He's a killer,

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Speaker 4: as Marcus Thompson said, you know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 4: like to like, I didn't feel like Bridges was fair

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Speaker 4: had any fear at all. He's like, if I'm gonna

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Speaker 4: and they were just putting pressure on him, They're running

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Speaker 4: I mean, he was incredible too. But yeah, yeah, I

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Speaker 3: Deserves a lot he did. He deserves a lot of

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Speaker 2: And you know they talked about in the broadcast, you're

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Speaker 2: that's not how he's playing.

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Speaker 4: Defend Steph when Steph, when Steph is in Steph, you.

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Speaker 2: So you know it's so I do think he played

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Speaker 2: him the way coaches try and get defenders to psychologically right,

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Speaker 2: just like except that you're gonna do the best you

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Speaker 2: you after that, right. But I can only imagine as

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Speaker 2: rim twice, that's gotta be a little Celsius energy drink

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Speaker 2: preferred Jethro like, I would absolutely take this as a

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Speaker 2: Western Conference. I mean, I would love a series of that.

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Speaker 2: It was a really fun game. It's very cerebral. Like

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Speaker 2: you said, you could see how Chris Paul was working.

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Speaker 2: Throw Devin Booker back in there, you throw Klay Thompson

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Speaker 2: that's a fun fucking series.

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Speaker 4: I think I think Clay comes back, and I think

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Speaker 4: it's and Steph Clay comes back. Obviously Steph is just Steph.

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Speaker 4: I think they cook him, you.

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Speaker 3: Know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: And I'm I don't, I don't mean like cook by ad.

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Speaker 4: But I think it's not. I mean, it might be

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Speaker 4: a five, six game series, you know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: If everybody's playing out, they should play.

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Speaker 5: You know what I mean.

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Speaker 4: But uh, I don't know. Last night was it was

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Speaker 4: it was interesting to see how Chris was doing what

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Speaker 4: Chris ship, you know what I mean. Uh, at this point,

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Speaker 4: it's just wild to watch. And we talked. We thought

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Speaker 4: a team that wasn't gonna be back.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, we were.

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Speaker 3: We were clearly wrong on the opposite of.

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Speaker 1: Right, you know, what I mean, Like, so yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think we buried the Suns. We

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Speaker 4: But they're they're like one of the best teams in

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Speaker 4: the league. Nobody saw that ship. You know, they're gonna

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Speaker 3: They absolutely no, straight up didn't think that.

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Speaker 2: And they were Steven A. Smith and JJ Reddick were

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Speaker 2: arguing about this shit on ESPN. Like I absolutely prior

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Speaker 2: to the season, was in the camp of the championship.

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Speaker 2: Windows closed. They'll just be one of those teams, you know,

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Speaker 2: story has already been written. And I I absolutely did

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Speaker 2: not think that they would be losing Devin Booker and

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Speaker 3: Between the the two of the top to round without Booker.

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Speaker 4: Maybe it might have been even twenty something like that,

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Speaker 4: But it's it's what it's what Tyler said, you just

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Speaker 4: can't overrate, still at his age, the impact that Chris

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Speaker 4: Paul can have on a game that it's like, what

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Speaker 2: What does this game need from me tonight? Does this

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Speaker 2: me to bring the tempo down and allow us to

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Speaker 2: get Steph a little bit out of rhythm with the

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Speaker 2: We're excited to welcome on our special guests for this

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Speaker 2: You can check them out at the Athlete and he

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Speaker 2: just had that peace drop about Klay Thompson, no relation.

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Speaker 2: That was very excellent, Marcus. We appreciate it.

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Speaker 7: Coming about Aye Thompson's that do wells my cousin somehow

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Speaker 5: But if you're out here doing it, you family.

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Speaker 3: Tow. What's up man? How you doing?

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Speaker 7: We appreciate you coming on, bro man. I'm happy to

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Speaker 7: You guys have not only had me dying laughing on

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Speaker 1: Oh my god, so yeah, man, great book. You know

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Speaker 7: Yeah, after the guests y'all have already had like you

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Speaker 4: Sorry, Marcus, I hate that you're on here with us.

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Speaker 4: What was your favorite chapter to write?

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Speaker 7: five and it was really they had four black dudes

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00:21:03,200 --> 00:21:06,320
Speaker 7: starting to Tommy Hinson, he got her and Willie Knowles

437
00:21:06,359 --> 00:21:08,600
Speaker 7: came in. So that was the first black start five.

438
00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,720
Speaker 7: But before that, Tommy Hinson was rocking with four black

439
00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 7: dudes in the starting five in Boston during a busting crisis,

440
00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:19,480
Speaker 7: like he was a savage, Like what did he hear

441
00:21:19,520 --> 00:21:20,520
Speaker 7: at the dinner parties?

442
00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:23,440
Speaker 5: Like you know what I'm saying like this, Like so

443
00:21:24,440 --> 00:21:25,800
Speaker 5: that chapter like.

444
00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:29,760
Speaker 7: Gave me a real appreciation for a like that what

445
00:21:29,800 --> 00:21:32,480
Speaker 7: that team went through and just how innovative they were

446
00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,080
Speaker 7: and just how they like they were doing this and

447
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:41,040
Speaker 7: Chuck Taylor's facing death right like in panties basically like.

448
00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:42,879
Speaker 5: This is a this is a this is you know

449
00:21:42,920 --> 00:21:43,640
Speaker 5: what I'm saying.

450
00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,960
Speaker 4: Like we just did anybody hear that?

451
00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:50,200
Speaker 5: I'm just saying, like we talked about these stories about

452
00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:50,800
Speaker 5: our walk.

453
00:21:50,640 --> 00:21:53,359
Speaker 7: In the snow and they're like, no, their story really

454
00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,119
Speaker 7: was kind of that though, right, So it's like we

455
00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:57,200
Speaker 7: don't respect that enough.

456
00:21:57,240 --> 00:21:58,760
Speaker 5: And then the New Celtics chapter.

457
00:21:59,480 --> 00:22:03,600
Speaker 7: I guess I didn't appreciate the two worlds of basketball,

458
00:22:03,680 --> 00:22:08,520
Speaker 7: the black basketball and the white basketball, the exciting ABA

459
00:22:08,920 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 7: kind of flashy playground which had kind of taken over

460
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:13,720
Speaker 7: the NBA.

461
00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 5: And then you had this era of like where you.

462
00:22:16,400 --> 00:22:19,160
Speaker 7: Know, Michael Ray Richardson it was on coke, like while

463
00:22:19,160 --> 00:22:20,200
Speaker 7: he gets dropping.

464
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:21,840
Speaker 5: Twenty five, you know what I'm saying, And it.

465
00:22:21,840 --> 00:22:25,119
Speaker 7: Became the NBA became like yo, how many black players

466
00:22:25,119 --> 00:22:27,480
Speaker 7: can you get on your squad? And then here comes

467
00:22:27,520 --> 00:22:32,040
Speaker 7: Burd like, hey hold on, y'all, like basketball is universal

468
00:22:32,040 --> 00:22:33,639
Speaker 7: sport and we white boys can play.

469
00:22:33,960 --> 00:22:36,560
Speaker 5: Let me show you something. And I get like, I

470
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:37,040
Speaker 5: didn't know.

471
00:22:37,040 --> 00:22:39,760
Speaker 7: This live when it was happening, but it was kind

472
00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:41,640
Speaker 7: of cool to see white people kind of reclaim they

473
00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:45,600
Speaker 7: post in basketball, like hey we can hoop too, yo.

474
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:48,199
Speaker 5: Like it was like Bird was such a gangster.

475
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:50,520
Speaker 2: It like it was fun like kind of diving into

476
00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:56,560
Speaker 2: that forty years ago with one dude, yes for sure, right,

477
00:22:56,720 --> 00:23:00,960
Speaker 2: the one guy, the one guy. You know, it's funny

478
00:23:01,000 --> 00:23:04,640
Speaker 2: you were talking about about how you felt about the Celtics.

479
00:23:04,640 --> 00:23:07,280
Speaker 2: That was my one stumbling block with the book was

480
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,840
Speaker 2: just the Spurs chapter. Where I grew up in southern California,

481
00:23:11,880 --> 00:23:14,120
Speaker 2: Like I'm from Long Beach. I grew up watching the Lakers,

482
00:23:14,119 --> 00:23:16,240
Speaker 2: the Shaq Kobe teams from my high school. That's my

483
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:21,320
Speaker 2: like foundational heart memory basketball teams, right, And I was

484
00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,879
Speaker 2: like reading the chapter and there are so many teams

485
00:23:23,880 --> 00:23:26,040
Speaker 2: that I had not previously given a fuck about that

486
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:28,520
Speaker 2: I ended up caring about are being interested in from

487
00:23:28,560 --> 00:23:30,880
Speaker 2: your book. But we we got on the pod after

488
00:23:30,920 --> 00:23:33,080
Speaker 2: the after the Spurs chapter, and I was like, I

489
00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:33,600
Speaker 2: can't do it.

490
00:23:33,640 --> 00:23:40,120
Speaker 3: Fuck, It's like, fuck these Newes forever bro I'll never.

491
00:23:40,040 --> 00:23:43,640
Speaker 5: Not that's legit. That's why we love it.

492
00:23:43,760 --> 00:23:45,840
Speaker 7: I mean I felt, you know what, I'm not the

493
00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,359
Speaker 7: biggest Spurs stand either, like you know, I mean I

494
00:23:49,440 --> 00:23:51,880
Speaker 7: respect him, you know what I'm saying. But it's hard

495
00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 7: to look at like what we see right now, Like

496
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:59,040
Speaker 7: we just watched Jannis like enter the room of eliteness

497
00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:01,760
Speaker 7: with like this incredible playoff performance.

498
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,120
Speaker 5: You know, we see Luca has been crowned already.

499
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:09,240
Speaker 7: Yok's just the MVP, like you can't watch this and

500
00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:13,280
Speaker 7: not appreciate the Spurs who had everybody like, yo, if

501
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,199
Speaker 7: you ain't out here scouting, we're about to kill you.

502
00:24:16,240 --> 00:24:17,119
Speaker 5: We gon keep fighting.

503
00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:19,560
Speaker 7: Dudes, at the end of the draft, you better step

504
00:24:19,600 --> 00:24:20,760
Speaker 7: your game up and stop.

505
00:24:20,560 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 5: Relying on homie at Rutcord Park, right.

506
00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 7: So like that, it's hard to Likespurs is just the

507
00:24:27,840 --> 00:24:31,200
Speaker 7: team you gotta respect. Man like you just gotta respect him,

508
00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:32,920
Speaker 7: even if you don't like him.

509
00:24:32,960 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 3: And that's it. Respect him, and that's it. Tom love

510
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:36,840
Speaker 3: the Spurs.

511
00:24:37,240 --> 00:24:40,040
Speaker 4: Like watching the Spurs, Tyler, I came.

512
00:24:40,320 --> 00:24:42,679
Speaker 1: I hated them at first. I thought they were boring

513
00:24:42,760 --> 00:24:44,720
Speaker 1: as hell because you got to understand, you know, the

514
00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: style of ball they were playing. You know, I was.

515
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:48,760
Speaker 1: I was in love with the Iso Kobe Ai ball.

516
00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: You know, during their their their they're peaking the early

517
00:24:50,840 --> 00:24:53,680
Speaker 1: two thousands, right, but then you know, you know, toward

518
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:55,320
Speaker 1: towards the end, you know that the two thousand times

519
00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: I appreciate the Spurs basketball around that time.

520
00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,480
Speaker 7: The way they swing the ball is poetic or you know,

521
00:24:59,600 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 7: it is really beautiful ball.

522
00:25:01,600 --> 00:25:05,320
Speaker 5: Beautiful Spurs are the team.

523
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 7: There's the dynasty for the people who could just pop

524
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:09,520
Speaker 7: up at any gym.

525
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 5: I don't care if it's like Cyo seventh grade.

526
00:25:13,320 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 7: Hoop or like a bunch of dudes a twenty four fitters,

527
00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:18,560
Speaker 7: and you could sit down and you can appreciate what's happening,

528
00:25:18,960 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 7: like that's the Spurs dynasty because you got to like

529
00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,120
Speaker 7: actually pay attention to basketball to appreciate the Spur.

530
00:25:24,359 --> 00:25:26,080
Speaker 2: If you're out here for the show is not when

531
00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:28,240
Speaker 2: I was seventeen, bro't.

532
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,280
Speaker 5: Here for the drama, the storyline. You're out here for

533
00:25:30,320 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 5: all that.

534
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:33,679
Speaker 7: Like the Spurs go leave you disappointed, like you know

535
00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:35,720
Speaker 7: they gonna leave you, like, dude, what are we doing?

536
00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:38,160
Speaker 5: But I mean they make Kobe Vanilla.

537
00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:41,200
Speaker 7: Think about that, like Kobe never had me for nobody

538
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:43,600
Speaker 7: on the Spurs, Like, think about how you do that

539
00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:44,200
Speaker 7: with Kobe?

540
00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,240
Speaker 5: Like that's how dry they.

541
00:25:46,119 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: Were, right, Yeah, not a lot of sixty year olds

542
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,159
Speaker 1: getting excited on you know, back door cuts for layups

543
00:25:54,160 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: and ship But you know, you grow up and you

544
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:58,800
Speaker 1: know your taste matures a bit. But Marcus, I remember

545
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: I hit you, you know when I first thought of

546
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:01,960
Speaker 1: the book, and I was like, bro, you know after

547
00:26:01,960 --> 00:26:03,880
Speaker 1: I read the micing chapter and I was like, bro,

548
00:26:04,000 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: I can't believe you made me interested in this Charlie

549
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:09,240
Speaker 1: Chaplin ass era boops, you know what I'm saying, because

550
00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,760
Speaker 1: I did not give a shit about that era, but

551
00:26:11,880 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 1: you made it interesting. So I'm wondering, like, like during

552
00:26:13,960 --> 00:26:15,600
Speaker 1: your research when you were putting this all together, like

553
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: was there anything that you actually learned that stuck out

554
00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:21,520
Speaker 1: to you? You know, you mentioned you know, you kind

555
00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:24,199
Speaker 1: of realize things that the Celtics, you know, activism put

556
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:27,240
Speaker 1: shit in perspective? Was there anything new that you like learned,

557
00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:29,200
Speaker 1: you know, doing your research that really had.

558
00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,959
Speaker 7: No idea basketball was like this trash second nature sport

559
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 7: like third nature either like oh well pro basketball, right,

560
00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 7: like like nobody.

561
00:26:38,160 --> 00:26:40,320
Speaker 5: Cared at all of them that.

562
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,040
Speaker 7: Like they was playing in high school gyms like begging

563
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:44,760
Speaker 7: for fans, you know what I'm saying.

564
00:26:45,280 --> 00:26:47,679
Speaker 5: So just to know like they played in cages. Let

565
00:26:47,720 --> 00:26:49,520
Speaker 5: me thinking about that, like they.

566
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,880
Speaker 7: Literally and then their stories like they'd be in the cage, right,

567
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:54,960
Speaker 7: because I don't think people know this, and you know,

568
00:26:55,680 --> 00:26:57,879
Speaker 7: I don't want to like bore you with details of

569
00:26:57,920 --> 00:27:00,760
Speaker 7: the book that we're talking about, but like the original

570
00:27:00,800 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 7: basketball rules was the ball went out of bounds, the

571
00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 7: team that got the ball was from the player who

572
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:09,200
Speaker 7: went and got the ball.

573
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:09,840
Speaker 5: Remember we used to.

574
00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:11,679
Speaker 7: Play that back in the the use kids like you

575
00:27:11,800 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 7: run over it and ball go out of bounds. You

576
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,320
Speaker 7: had to run and get it and fight for it.

577
00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:17,040
Speaker 7: And if you fought forward and you got it, then

578
00:27:17,040 --> 00:27:18,719
Speaker 7: your team had the ball. It's not like it is

579
00:27:18,760 --> 00:27:20,880
Speaker 7: now where if you send the ball out the other

580
00:27:20,920 --> 00:27:23,720
Speaker 7: team gets it. So they would literally be in the

581
00:27:23,760 --> 00:27:26,920
Speaker 7: crowd wrestling for loose balls. So they put up cages

582
00:27:27,000 --> 00:27:29,200
Speaker 7: because that would slow down the game. It was it was,

583
00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,600
Speaker 7: it was a mess, so they put up cages to

584
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 7: kind of prevent that. And people be in the crowd,

585
00:27:35,160 --> 00:27:38,240
Speaker 7: like putting cigarettes through the cages, burning it.

586
00:27:38,240 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 5: It's like stamming them like this was like some trash.

587
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,400
Speaker 5: Like this is like the lower levels.

588
00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 3: If if you read old Newstrept marbles they called basketball players.

589
00:27:51,359 --> 00:27:54,560
Speaker 5: Hoop used to be like a Jean Claude Van Damn movie.

590
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 5: It was like terrible.

591
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 3: Sport.

592
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 7: So that's why I started like, yo, hey, all right,

593
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:09,520
Speaker 7: we got to shout out George Mikeen because like he

594
00:28:09,680 --> 00:28:12,480
Speaker 7: was the only thing people wanted to watch. It was

595
00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:16,240
Speaker 7: college hoop and it was AAU basketball, not the AAU

596
00:28:16,680 --> 00:28:19,000
Speaker 7: that we know, but like you played.

597
00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,199
Speaker 5: For your city. That's what you did. Like you you

598
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 5: played for your local squad.

599
00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 7: You ain't make no money doing it, but you was

600
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,680
Speaker 7: out here getting a little fame off hoop. Miken turned

601
00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 7: it into something like he proved that, like because he

602
00:28:30,520 --> 00:28:32,399
Speaker 7: was a seventh foot free Like, it wasn't like a

603
00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 7: bunch of them around. He was like this tall dude

604
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,360
Speaker 7: who was hell uncoordinated. And the coach was like, yo,

605
00:28:38,160 --> 00:28:40,280
Speaker 7: I wonder he must have been hella high. Yo, I

606
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 7: wonder if this seventh foot dude, like, if we like

607
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,320
Speaker 7: he held it close to the rim, maybe we should

608
00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,040
Speaker 7: teach you how to play hoop, right, And it ended

609
00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:50,280
Speaker 7: up being this genius move.

610
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: So I had no idea none of that my Geordan era.

611
00:28:53,640 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 5: My basketball era began with Jordan.

612
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 7: Right, so I only know grace and beauty in basketball, right,

613
00:28:59,200 --> 00:29:03,160
Speaker 7: I only know elites athleticism. I had no idea they

614
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:06,320
Speaker 7: were sticking dudes with syringes through cages.

615
00:29:11,880 --> 00:29:13,840
Speaker 1: Like I remember when you talked about how Bill Russell

616
00:29:13,880 --> 00:29:18,280
Speaker 1: innovated defense by jumping, I was like, what jumping Joe

617
00:29:18,600 --> 00:29:21,560
Speaker 1: shoot with the whole age jump?

618
00:29:22,680 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 7: That's crazy, right, there was two jumping Joe's. It was

619
00:29:25,160 --> 00:29:28,480
Speaker 7: this big matchup. It was jumping Jim jumping Jim Color

620
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,720
Speaker 7: and jumping Joe Folks and they were like this huge.

621
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:33,960
Speaker 5: Match upon shoe jumping gym.

622
00:29:34,000 --> 00:29:36,200
Speaker 7: So like we know about Jim Poler, he went to

623
00:29:36,240 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 7: my high School've been hearing about this dude since I

624
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,600
Speaker 7: was a kid, Like everybody know Jim Poler was this

625
00:29:40,640 --> 00:29:41,800
Speaker 7: white dude who jumping hell of.

626
00:29:41,840 --> 00:29:44,240
Speaker 5: High I'm like, oh, there's another one.

627
00:29:44,240 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 7: And it was like Joe Folks was jumping Joe Folks

628
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:50,760
Speaker 7: because he jumped when he shot a revolutionary like a pioneer.

629
00:29:50,840 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 4: I was like, what, that's not even basketball, you.

630
00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,440
Speaker 3: Know what I mean?

631
00:29:58,080 --> 00:30:00,880
Speaker 7: Court and then stopped it completely and then like taking

632
00:30:00,880 --> 00:30:02,840
Speaker 7: a set shot. But I guess they weren't right at

633
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 7: hello fast down court. I don't understand, but.

634
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:08,240
Speaker 2: There they weren't popping any knees pulling up for a

635
00:30:08,280 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: set shot at that time.

636
00:30:10,480 --> 00:30:13,280
Speaker 3: So it's more of an ease into it.

637
00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 2: I love the idea of Miken's coach being high as hell,

638
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,160
Speaker 2: looking at him, looking up at the basket, looking back

639
00:30:23,200 --> 00:30:26,040
Speaker 2: at him, looking up at the basket, and going.

640
00:30:25,960 --> 00:30:27,280
Speaker 3: We might have something here.

641
00:30:27,360 --> 00:30:32,960
Speaker 9: Hold on this man walking on the campus, like, hey,

642
00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:38,720
Speaker 9: hold on, I got an idea.

643
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:42,200
Speaker 4: There were some stats to shock me. Like I knew

644
00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 4: of Doctor J. We know Doctor J threw highlights. We

645
00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:46,760
Speaker 4: don't talk about like the numbers he put up, But

646
00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:49,200
Speaker 4: then you posted the ABA shit, you know what I mean?

647
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,800
Speaker 4: You were talking about that and I'm like like, oh wait,

648
00:30:51,840 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 4: he was really one of them guys. You know what

649
00:30:53,760 --> 00:30:56,880
Speaker 4: I'm saying. He wasn't just flashy. This motherfucker was putting

650
00:30:56,920 --> 00:30:59,240
Speaker 4: up crazy numbers. I think in college you average twenty

651
00:30:59,280 --> 00:31:01,680
Speaker 4: and twenty, which blew my shu man.

652
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 5: I mean, like, like, why was he.

653
00:31:06,520 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 4: Was cam Bey at Umash That's the only other player

654
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:10,680
Speaker 4: I think I remember that went to like U Mass,

655
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,040
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. But like, were there any

656
00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 4: players that when you looked at their stats, I mean

657
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:16,440
Speaker 4: you know they were good, but you're like, oh wow,

658
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 4: they were they were that good, you know what I mean?

659
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 5: Doctor J was definitely one of them. Ud Moses Malons,

660
00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 5: like right, let's talk about it.

661
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:27,520
Speaker 1: Let's talk about he low key in fifteen or low key.

662
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:29,600
Speaker 5: I poured out a little liquor for the Sixers.

663
00:31:29,840 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 7: I mean they're the most they're like the greatest team

664
00:31:32,400 --> 00:31:36,040
Speaker 7: who just straight get disrespected like all like we talk

665
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 7: about Bird and Magic Lakers Celtics like they were the

666
00:31:40,040 --> 00:31:40,840
Speaker 7: only two teams.

667
00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,720
Speaker 5: There was a third team.

668
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 7: But every time Philly won, they lost to the other

669
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:48,880
Speaker 7: like it's crazy, but like they were so good and

670
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,840
Speaker 7: we don't know anything about them.

671
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 5: We don't know about Andrew Tony, we don't know about

672
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:53,920
Speaker 5: Billy Cunningham.

673
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,320
Speaker 7: But but that Doctor J era I didn't realize either

674
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 7: how cracking the ABA was. They cats was coming out

675
00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:05,280
Speaker 7: of college, Like I don't know who got the most money,

676
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 7: you know, ABA or NBA, right, even like lou Alsonder

677
00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 7: at the time, but Kareem like he could have win

678
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:17,800
Speaker 7: easily ABA. He just ended up making a commitment to Milwaukee.

679
00:32:17,880 --> 00:32:20,160
Speaker 7: And then once the ABA came more money, he was

680
00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:22,960
Speaker 7: like this honorable dude who was like I made the commitment, right,

681
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,400
Speaker 7: But a lot of them dudes was like, yo, I'm

682
00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 7: going to the ABA, and that's where the hoop was.

683
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:30,479
Speaker 7: And Doctor J was lit And we don't even know

684
00:32:30,480 --> 00:32:32,320
Speaker 7: about Doctor J until he got to that. We know

685
00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,240
Speaker 7: about Doctor J from the dunk contest, from the free

686
00:32:35,280 --> 00:32:38,440
Speaker 7: throw line, which is really like a failure of black history, right,

687
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 7: because we don't know about Doctor J means we don't

688
00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:46,600
Speaker 7: know nothing about Connie Hawkins. And if there's no Michael

689
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 7: Jordan without Doctor J, there's no Doctor J without Connie Hawkins, right,

690
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,920
Speaker 7: So like some of this stuff is like literal black history.

691
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:56,880
Speaker 7: We just don't know, and it was wild.

692
00:32:57,000 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: A lot of them.

693
00:32:57,600 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 7: Catch in the ABA was bucket getters, like straight up

694
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 7: and Doctor J.

695
00:33:03,280 --> 00:33:05,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, we definitely sleep on him right now.

696
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:07,200
Speaker 7: He's just like what your uncle, your pops used to be,

697
00:33:07,320 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 7: like when you was talking about how great Jeordan was

698
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 7: and he was set tripping like he did on hip

699
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,360
Speaker 7: hop and fashion and everything else, right, Like.

700
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,680
Speaker 5: You don't know nothing about this, you don't love about

701
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:17,120
Speaker 5: doctor J.

702
00:33:17,360 --> 00:33:19,960
Speaker 7: Right, That's that's basically what Doctor J was when I

703
00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 7: was coming up, was a Jordan hater's retort, That's all.

704
00:33:24,440 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 7: That's all he was, right, But more than that, yo,

705
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 7: he was that team was so loaded and so good

706
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:31,280
Speaker 7: and we don't even know.

707
00:33:31,240 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 5: About him because because of Magic and Bird.

708
00:33:33,760 --> 00:33:37,959
Speaker 4: Essentially the Pistons were shocked in too. I thought they

709
00:33:38,000 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 4: were like the patron saint of grit and grind. Them

710
00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: motherfuckers could put up numbers too, you know what I mean?

711
00:33:43,160 --> 00:33:45,360
Speaker 4: And like I didn't know how good they were offensively,

712
00:33:45,640 --> 00:33:47,719
Speaker 4: I think I would have loved the Pistons as an

713
00:33:47,760 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 4: adult watching the Pistons if I wasn't told to hate

714
00:33:50,880 --> 00:33:52,680
Speaker 4: them as a kid, you know what I mean? Like

715
00:33:53,280 --> 00:33:54,400
Speaker 4: that was shocking as well.

716
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:58,040
Speaker 7: I didn't know, you know this is this stuff was

717
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:01,800
Speaker 7: also wild. Uh, we grew up in these silos.

718
00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 5: Man.

719
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 7: We don't even know when you fourteen fifteen, you don't

720
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:09,440
Speaker 7: even know what's actually happening. Like right now, there's a

721
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 7: fifteen year old who's like watching and they don't even

722
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,240
Speaker 7: know what's happening when they see bron and see stuff.

723
00:34:15,239 --> 00:34:18,280
Speaker 5: They just know they like something and it's and it's appealing.

724
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:22,000
Speaker 7: And then later they will learn the significance of it, right,

725
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 7: and the impact of it.

726
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:28,920
Speaker 5: I had no idea. Like Basketball didn't really invite.

727
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:34,600
Speaker 7: Us in until Iverson, right, Like until Iris kind of

728
00:34:34,680 --> 00:34:38,239
Speaker 7: kicked down the door. Like we started watching with Mike,

729
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,320
Speaker 7: like the when I mean us, I mean the urban

730
00:34:42,040 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 7: like after the seventies movement, you know, inser, the hip

731
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 7: hop cycle, that's us, right.

732
00:34:49,320 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 5: We started watching with.

733
00:34:50,480 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 4: Mike real nigga.

734
00:34:51,280 --> 00:34:55,600
Speaker 7: Yeah, but they started watching like they wasn't like, yo,

735
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:58,319
Speaker 7: come on in, it's like we're taking money. But it

736
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 7: wasn't until AI kind of the envelope. It was like, yeah,

737
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,719
Speaker 7: we want that crowd. So you don't even really know that,

738
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 7: Like the Pistons was repping like this city that was

739
00:35:07,880 --> 00:35:13,040
Speaker 7: straight getting just just destroyed, right, that this once proud

740
00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,000
Speaker 7: city that's so full of like hopelessness and struggle during

741
00:35:17,040 --> 00:35:19,960
Speaker 7: a crack epidemic, Like you don't know what this is

742
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:24,759
Speaker 7: why Detroit people ride so hard and they hate Mike,

743
00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:27,759
Speaker 7: you know, because this was this meant something like if

744
00:35:27,800 --> 00:35:31,359
Speaker 7: the Pistons matter, like they were repping for people, they

745
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,080
Speaker 7: were giving hope to people. Was a bunch of black

746
00:35:33,200 --> 00:35:35,760
Speaker 7: dudes who were doing something at a time where people

747
00:35:35,800 --> 00:35:37,640
Speaker 7: were losing their livelihood.

748
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 5: And their communities.

749
00:35:38,520 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 7: You just don't know that that's happening. And I want

750
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,799
Speaker 7: to root for that retroactively, right I was. I was

751
00:35:44,880 --> 00:35:47,040
Speaker 7: like coming up live and I wasn't like just joking

752
00:35:47,080 --> 00:35:52,359
Speaker 7: about the little bitty shorts, right, I was like yeah, right,

753
00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,960
Speaker 7: so I want to root for that and what they

754
00:35:56,040 --> 00:35:58,520
Speaker 7: meant for the city and how them being rebels and

755
00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 7: bad boys and raiders and really the kind of undertones

756
00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:06,400
Speaker 7: that was with that, Like yeah, it's like dany Man,

757
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 7: I wish somebody had told me, like but but it

758
00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:10,359
Speaker 7: was it was significant.

759
00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:11,839
Speaker 5: It was huge when you think about it.

760
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 2: We talked about that after that chapter, like you fully

761
00:36:16,480 --> 00:36:19,439
Speaker 2: like all they've ever been to people our age really

762
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:20,560
Speaker 2: at this point, right.

763
00:36:20,520 --> 00:36:22,880
Speaker 3: Is like the foil They're they're the other part of

764
00:36:22,880 --> 00:36:23,640
Speaker 3: the documentary.

765
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:26,600
Speaker 2: You know, they're like they start playing the cello instead

766
00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:29,160
Speaker 2: of the fucking violin, and you know, they cut to

767
00:36:29,239 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: Detroit and it's like these mean, stupid motherfuckers over here,

768
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:33,520
Speaker 2: and like.

769
00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:35,239
Speaker 3: This was the first time we read the chapter. We

770
00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:35,880
Speaker 3: all talked about it.

771
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 2: We're like, well, I feel like if this was now,

772
00:36:37,680 --> 00:36:41,400
Speaker 2: we all would be huge fucking Pistons fans. It's just

773
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:43,879
Speaker 2: like you, I don't know that I've ever seen their

774
00:36:44,000 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: story told from their perspective because I'm not going to

775
00:36:46,520 --> 00:36:48,920
Speaker 2: buy a Pistons book, you know what I mean. And

776
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:51,480
Speaker 2: there's no documentary like that about that team. So I

777
00:36:51,840 --> 00:36:52,560
Speaker 2: love that chapter.

778
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:53,359
Speaker 4: That was That was.

779
00:36:53,280 --> 00:36:55,279
Speaker 2: Probably my favorite chapter in the book, just because I

780
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,279
Speaker 2: felt like you turned that whole story on its head

781
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,400
Speaker 2: in such a simple away. But it really was like

782
00:37:02,080 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 2: I'm a huge Michael Jordan fan because of the age

783
00:37:05,120 --> 00:37:07,920
Speaker 2: that I was, obviously, but like you read the chapter

784
00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 2: and you're like oh, I hope these dudes win.

785
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:11,640
Speaker 3: I know they're not going to win, but it's like,

786
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,560
Speaker 3: I hope.

787
00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:16,440
Speaker 5: Think about this though, like I think, I think, I

788
00:37:16,440 --> 00:37:18,760
Speaker 5: think low key. I'm just this is a side note.

789
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 7: I think Tyler is one of the like slept on

790
00:37:22,000 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 7: writers in the country, and I really think he should

791
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:28,640
Speaker 7: be right regularly. But I would love to read a

792
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 7: piece and your voice about like how the pistol's been

793
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:39,439
Speaker 7: begging for somebody to see him for thirty years. Think

794
00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 7: about that, like what they did, like nobody like we

795
00:37:42,200 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 7: don't like Isaiah and we be in the basketball they

796
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:48,120
Speaker 7: you don't like Isaiah, largely because Jordan don't like Isaiah.

797
00:37:48,760 --> 00:37:51,239
Speaker 7: And think about like how long they've been trying to

798
00:37:51,280 --> 00:37:54,200
Speaker 7: be like hold on, man, we wasn't exactly who y'all

799
00:37:54,200 --> 00:37:54,840
Speaker 7: paid us to be.

800
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,440
Speaker 5: And it's kind of like.

801
00:37:57,800 --> 00:38:02,120
Speaker 7: It's funny in one context, like dang, that's messed up,

802
00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,360
Speaker 7: Like that's hilarious, but then the other part is like

803
00:38:05,719 --> 00:38:07,440
Speaker 7: that's kind of messed up, man, Like.

804
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: You know, yeah, we we for sure don't give the

805
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:14,120
Speaker 1: Pistons their props. They were all fucking Game seven and

806
00:38:14,840 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: a Zeke sprain ankle away from running off a three

807
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,799
Speaker 1: peat during the fucking showtime Laker Bird Celtics era, right like,

808
00:38:20,880 --> 00:38:23,719
Speaker 1: that is ridiculous and it doesn't get talked about enough

809
00:38:23,719 --> 00:38:23,960
Speaker 1: for sure.

810
00:38:24,160 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 5: How it comes down to that though, right Like, it's

811
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 5: a few.

812
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 7: It's a few like dynasties that almost happened that are

813
00:38:30,000 --> 00:38:33,319
Speaker 7: right there, and it's like one turn, one little thing

814
00:38:33,480 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 7: like that's if you the seventy six ers, that's what

815
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:40,080
Speaker 7: you think of you like dang, like if if magic

816
00:38:40,160 --> 00:38:43,520
Speaker 7: doesn't come in and do like you know, play.

817
00:38:43,280 --> 00:38:48,959
Speaker 5: Five physicians forty like we're talking about them like this, Wow,

818
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:50,200
Speaker 5: how it switches on that.

819
00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,439
Speaker 1: For sure for sure? So I want to talk about

820
00:38:54,480 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: your boys here, the Warriors, man, and you know the

821
00:38:56,800 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 1: most recent dynasty we've had. The thing that what's unique

822
00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:04,839
Speaker 1: about the Warriors is they were a sneak job and

823
00:39:04,880 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: you usually don't see that with dynasties, right Like, usually

824
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,280
Speaker 1: what we see dynasties coming to Mallaway donisas are usually

825
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 1: like destiny ful phil Right Like, you see a guy

826
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:14,120
Speaker 1: like Michael, you say, Okay, get him some guys, he's

827
00:39:14,120 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: gonna get some rings. You see a guy like Shack

828
00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:18,319
Speaker 1: and Timmy, you think the same thing. Right, we didn't

829
00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:21,120
Speaker 1: see that coming with with with the Warriors, you know

830
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,560
Speaker 1: what I mean. So it was a sneak job. And

831
00:39:24,440 --> 00:39:26,480
Speaker 1: what I'm curious about is you being the guy who

832
00:39:26,520 --> 00:39:29,160
Speaker 1: was there ground zero, Like did you see it coming

833
00:39:29,480 --> 00:39:32,120
Speaker 1: or where was there a moment where you were like, Okay,

834
00:39:32,200 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 1: this could be something special.

835
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,560
Speaker 7: Ain't see my article that I wrote back in two

836
00:39:35,640 --> 00:39:37,160
Speaker 7: thousand and seven about.

837
00:39:37,120 --> 00:39:44,160
Speaker 5: No I ain't notice this. I remember, like real, real spit.

838
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 7: I remember when the Warriors first won the title and

839
00:39:47,920 --> 00:39:52,600
Speaker 7: we were in Cleveland, and y'all gotta remember, man, like

840
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 7: I grew up like our entire childhood was about going

841
00:39:58,239 --> 00:40:02,120
Speaker 7: to see the other team. It was like this team

842
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 7: was coming to town or like kind of mockingly having

843
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 7: some G League level dude as your favorite player, right,

844
00:40:10,760 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 7: Like those players are revered here because they would at

845
00:40:13,719 --> 00:40:16,600
Speaker 7: least put up a fight, like dudes like Earl Boykins,

846
00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 7: right like he never was actually that good, but he's

847
00:40:21,239 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 7: a legend out here because he was five foot nothing, right,

848
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,600
Speaker 7: one hundred and nothing, and he would.

849
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,520
Speaker 5: At least fight, right, So like that's that was our childhood.

850
00:40:30,560 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 7: So I remember the moment the Warriors were like winning

851
00:40:33,560 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 7: the title, and I don't know if y'all remember back then,

852
00:40:35,600 --> 00:40:37,600
Speaker 7: if the Warriors went up about fifteen, I was game

853
00:40:37,800 --> 00:40:40,200
Speaker 7: they won by like they won like fifty something straight

854
00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 7: games if they led at fifteen at any point and

855
00:40:42,920 --> 00:40:45,600
Speaker 7: they went up fifteen in game six, and that's where

856
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,200
Speaker 7: we were like all right, we were like they're about

857
00:40:48,200 --> 00:40:50,120
Speaker 7: to win the title. So we started writing, and I

858
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:54,440
Speaker 7: remember having this moment. My father died like fourteen years earlier,

859
00:40:54,640 --> 00:40:56,959
Speaker 7: but I had this incredible urge to.

860
00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 5: Call him, right so I was just like, oh, wow,

861
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:00,640
Speaker 5: we grew up.

862
00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:03,080
Speaker 7: This is this was my childhood, like me and my father,

863
00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,200
Speaker 7: and my father missed at every Warrior man like if

864
00:41:07,239 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 7: he didn't fall asleep, right Like it's just like all

865
00:41:10,000 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 7: that I hate Winston Garland right like all it like,

866
00:41:13,640 --> 00:41:15,400
Speaker 7: so I'm like, yo, I wanted to call my dad,

867
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:17,600
Speaker 7: be like yo, the war and then it hit me

868
00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,840
Speaker 7: like my father's gone. So I'm sitting here typing this

869
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:24,640
Speaker 7: story like crying like literally in Cleveland, like missing my dad.

870
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:28,279
Speaker 7: But the reason that moment significant because it was never

871
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,360
Speaker 7: going to happen again, Like it was like this was

872
00:41:32,440 --> 00:41:35,759
Speaker 7: the one time, right, Like nobody was sitting there in

873
00:41:35,840 --> 00:41:38,840
Speaker 7: that moment, like, so it begins right like.

874
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:43,440
Speaker 3: The Warriors take over.

875
00:41:44,920 --> 00:41:45,279
Speaker 1: Out here.

876
00:41:45,400 --> 00:41:46,200
Speaker 5: Who's saying it?

877
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:50,680
Speaker 7: Nobody like you knew Okay, they had arrived, right, they

878
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:51,640
Speaker 7: would be a team.

879
00:41:51,800 --> 00:41:55,040
Speaker 5: Now you got to talk about me talk about championships.

880
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 10: And maybe they get another one, right, maybe, like you

881
00:41:57,120 --> 00:42:00,880
Speaker 10: just didn't know that they would morph the game like this,

882
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,520
Speaker 10: and then Steph would become like this.

883
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,040
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying. And I've been cover his

884
00:42:07,239 --> 00:42:07,920
Speaker 5: entire career.

885
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:13,279
Speaker 7: When he got drafted, his mother asked, Steve Kurk can

886
00:42:13,280 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 7: he be any good?

887
00:42:14,040 --> 00:42:14,920
Speaker 5: You think he can make it?

888
00:42:15,120 --> 00:42:19,440
Speaker 7: Like Sonya wasn't like, yo, so my son about to

889
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:22,200
Speaker 7: be a Hall of Famer. So where my house sat right,

890
00:42:22,280 --> 00:42:23,920
Speaker 7: she was like, yo, you think you could make it?

891
00:42:24,000 --> 00:42:26,640
Speaker 5: Like and Steve Kurtz like yourself is going to be

892
00:42:26,680 --> 00:42:27,440
Speaker 5: really good in the league.

893
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,799
Speaker 7: Right. So it wasn't like none of this was like

894
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:34,320
Speaker 7: nobody knew this. Nobody knew it. And I do think

895
00:42:34,880 --> 00:42:35,839
Speaker 7: that was a big deal.

896
00:42:35,920 --> 00:42:36,520
Speaker 5: I do think.

897
00:42:37,120 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 7: You know, in NBA you follow your player, right, Like

898
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 7: a lot of it is like, yo, how my player

899
00:42:42,160 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 7: feels about something.

900
00:42:43,520 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 5: It's a lot how I feel.

901
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 7: There's a whole lot of piste off players about the

902
00:42:47,360 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 7: fact that the Warriors kind of jumped the line.

903
00:42:49,800 --> 00:42:55,239
Speaker 5: You got Russell Westbrook, James Harden, Lebron, all.

904
00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:56,960
Speaker 7: These players are like, wait, hold on, bro, this is

905
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,600
Speaker 7: my time, Like who's this Harrison bar dude?

906
00:43:00,680 --> 00:43:01,960
Speaker 5: Right, Like what where.

907
00:43:01,800 --> 00:43:03,360
Speaker 3: Is Draymond Rie coming from?

908
00:43:03,560 --> 00:43:05,439
Speaker 7: And so I do think a lot of players who

909
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 7: was riding with their player took on that.

910
00:43:08,840 --> 00:43:11,279
Speaker 5: Sentiment, right like hold on, I don't like you know

911
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:14,239
Speaker 5: what I'm saying. And then over time, you know, you

912
00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 5: grew to respect it.

913
00:43:15,160 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 7: But I feel like they kind of had to go

914
00:43:16,840 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 7: through that, like that's that's the right of passage. To

915
00:43:18,840 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 7: be a dynasty, you gotta be hated and they had

916
00:43:21,880 --> 00:43:22,160
Speaker 7: to be.

917
00:43:23,880 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 1: Right. I remember thinking they were dumb as fuck for

918
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:30,120
Speaker 1: not trading Clay for Kevin Love and boo Buddy was wrong.

919
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:33,319
Speaker 1: It's hell on that other moment, right, Yeah, we didn't

920
00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:34,680
Speaker 1: see that in the moment that like.

921
00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 5: Because you weren't.

922
00:43:35,600 --> 00:43:38,160
Speaker 7: There were people in the Warriors organization who wanted that

923
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,960
Speaker 7: deal done, and it was like Jerry West and it

924
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:45,000
Speaker 7: was Steve Kerr like hey, here's my PowerPoint and all

925
00:43:45,080 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 7: the passion I got telling you why we can't do this.

926
00:43:47,480 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 7: But if you know, some people in the organization was

927
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 7: like yo, you go get Kevin Love and what if

928
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:56,320
Speaker 7: it happens, maybe they win seven in a row.

929
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:57,000
Speaker 5: Who knows, but.

930
00:43:58,880 --> 00:43:59,799
Speaker 3: They win seventy seven.

931
00:44:00,600 --> 00:44:05,880
Speaker 4: You know, Kelly, Kelly Olynix tearing his arm out actually

932
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,840
Speaker 4: started helped start the warriors. You know, uh, Rain, you

933
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:11,400
Speaker 4: know what I mean when he when he snatched this

934
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 4: sh out me though, Yeah, that was bigger linesight right,

935
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:23,600
Speaker 4: like right right, right right. But like talking about Clay, like,

936
00:44:23,719 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 4: you know, Clay's coming back, how much of clay do

937
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:29,239
Speaker 4: you think we're gonna see? Are we gonna see the

938
00:44:29,280 --> 00:44:31,759
Speaker 4: same clay or similar? How much of the clay we

939
00:44:31,840 --> 00:44:34,839
Speaker 4: saw prior to like two three years? But I think

940
00:44:34,840 --> 00:44:36,400
Speaker 4: that you said you read you wrote in your article

941
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:39,279
Speaker 4: it's like four hundred days, was it? How many days

942
00:44:39,280 --> 00:44:42,960
Speaker 4: has it been? N now nine hundred days? You know

943
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:45,640
Speaker 4: what I mean? Like how much of clay this? Well,

944
00:44:45,680 --> 00:44:50,440
Speaker 4: that's crazy in that Wow, that's wild. How much of

945
00:44:50,480 --> 00:44:52,799
Speaker 4: clay do you think we're gonna we're gonna see? You

946
00:44:52,800 --> 00:44:55,680
Speaker 4: know when he comes back? You've been watching.

947
00:44:55,440 --> 00:44:58,000
Speaker 7: That context like more than what you would think, right,

948
00:44:58,160 --> 00:45:01,239
Speaker 7: you would think after nine hundred days, like he going fifty.

949
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:03,240
Speaker 4: Clay seventeen percent?

950
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:05,160
Speaker 5: That dude is a maniac.

951
00:45:05,239 --> 00:45:07,719
Speaker 7: Yo, He's on the sidelines, literally in tears because he

952
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:10,799
Speaker 7: can't play. Like I don't even know what percentage he

953
00:45:10,840 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 7: should be at, but he gonna add to it just

954
00:45:14,320 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 7: in the moment. Right the way he looks right now

955
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,919
Speaker 7: is probably about sixty percent, seventy percent. And he still

956
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 7: ain't coming back for a few weeks. So I think

957
00:45:24,520 --> 00:45:26,279
Speaker 7: he gonna walk in. I think he gonna be like

958
00:45:26,320 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 7: maybe seventy five percent and then adrenalin't gonna get him

959
00:45:29,080 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 7: eighty five like that, just straight like you.

960
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:34,680
Speaker 5: Know, remember uh Sherman Cluk.

961
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 7: All that woning and wooning and won'ting like that first game,

962
00:45:39,160 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 7: and don't front, don't front, you gonna shed a tear

963
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:43,920
Speaker 7: for Klay Thompson, you gonna be.

964
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:45,000
Speaker 3: I'm excited as hell.

965
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:47,840
Speaker 4: I was reading your article and I was I was like, damn,

966
00:45:48,560 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: I should like this motherfucker as much as I like

967
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 4: this motherfucker. I don't think we ever really hated Clay

968
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:57,880
Speaker 4: though Clay is like Clay's plays unhatable, you know what

969
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,080
Speaker 4: I mean. You always he said, he seems like a

970
00:46:00,080 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 4: good hang, you know what I mean, Like that'd be

971
00:46:01,719 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 4: my nigga in real life, you know, what I'm saying.

972
00:46:03,400 --> 00:46:05,560
Speaker 1: It's bro, Clay just want to smoke out and kick

973
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:07,480
Speaker 1: it with his bulldog. Bro, Like there's nothing And I

974
00:46:07,640 --> 00:46:08,080
Speaker 1: like about that.

975
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:08,399
Speaker 5: Dude.

976
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 7: You know what's cool about what's so amazing about Clay?

977
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:14,120
Speaker 7: Like Clay be doing all kinds of Clay can violate.

978
00:46:14,200 --> 00:46:14,920
Speaker 5: He could do anything.

979
00:46:14,960 --> 00:46:17,680
Speaker 7: He could break a rule, he could violate a social norm.

980
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:20,840
Speaker 7: He could just be out of pocket, and it adds

981
00:46:20,880 --> 00:46:24,720
Speaker 7: to his legacy. Right, It's like, Yo, Clay don't make practice.

982
00:46:24,760 --> 00:46:27,080
Speaker 7: How cool is he?

983
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 3: I love him?

984
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:29,960
Speaker 1: I love that.

985
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 7: It's crazy how he he just don't do any wrong

986
00:46:33,880 --> 00:46:36,240
Speaker 7: like that dude cares about the boat and his dog

987
00:46:36,520 --> 00:46:38,200
Speaker 7: and stand off TMZ.

988
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:39,640
Speaker 5: Like that's it.

989
00:46:42,160 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 4: I got one more question. I thought it was going

990
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:46,279
Speaker 4: to be Kadi's league this year, but now that we're

991
00:46:46,280 --> 00:46:49,000
Speaker 4: finally seeing like the wearing tearor like well, I thought

992
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 4: it was gonna be his league, his league, his his

993
00:46:52,040 --> 00:46:53,640
Speaker 4: league this year. Now that we're seeing the wear and

994
00:46:53,719 --> 00:46:55,560
Speaker 4: tear of like Bron. You know what I'm saying, Like

995
00:46:56,120 --> 00:46:58,800
Speaker 4: we're seeing Bron looks like it's year nineteen, you know

996
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 4: what I mean, But like it's it's steps lead, like

997
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 4: you know, like he is the ax apex predator in

998
00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:08,040
Speaker 4: the league. Knowing how competitive KT is, do you think

999
00:47:08,080 --> 00:47:10,359
Speaker 4: that he cares at all? Do you think that affects him?

1000
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:12,680
Speaker 4: Like like he's like this is his year to be

1001
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:15,840
Speaker 4: the guy and he's not the Kd's.

1002
00:47:15,360 --> 00:47:17,840
Speaker 5: A KD and stuff the same dude.

1003
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:24,560
Speaker 7: They both like maniacs, right like who put like everything

1004
00:47:24,640 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 7: into this, you know.

1005
00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 5: Especially KD. Like KD is that dude? Like if you

1006
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:31,239
Speaker 5: just talked.

1007
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:34,120
Speaker 7: To Kevin Durant about basketball, he will talk your ear off.

1008
00:47:34,160 --> 00:47:37,839
Speaker 7: The dude is the definition of a hooper. Like he

1009
00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:42,800
Speaker 7: grew up in the struggle, like literally sleep in the gym,

1010
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:46,600
Speaker 7: like you know, like like you know, the open run

1011
00:47:46,640 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 7: would come in like four hours and he had to

1012
00:47:48,520 --> 00:47:50,560
Speaker 7: choice to walk all the way back through his grandma

1013
00:47:50,640 --> 00:47:52,399
Speaker 7: house or just stay in the gym.

1014
00:47:52,440 --> 00:47:54,319
Speaker 5: So he would get a mat and just sleep in

1015
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,160
Speaker 5: the gym because he would be right back for open run,

1016
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,920
Speaker 5: right Like he that dude, he's the musty.

1017
00:48:00,480 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, he's the must He's a dude that started started

1018
00:48:04,440 --> 00:48:06,640
Speaker 4: to run already smell it like to run you know

1019
00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 4: what I b for sure?

1020
00:48:08,480 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Right like right right about to say we've seen that.

1021
00:48:14,000 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 5: The co party that wasn't even that was like way

1022
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 5: up to Shen Like it's tough to get.

1023
00:48:17,719 --> 00:48:20,560
Speaker 4: It right, but that's like you.

1024
00:48:20,560 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 7: No question, Kevin Durant wants to be the best player

1025
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:26,040
Speaker 7: the game has ever seen. Like he wants it, and

1026
00:48:26,080 --> 00:48:29,160
Speaker 7: if he says otherwise, he's he's fronting. Kevin Durant wants

1027
00:48:29,239 --> 00:48:31,160
Speaker 7: to walk away from this game like, yo, y'all ain't

1028
00:48:31,160 --> 00:48:32,480
Speaker 7: never seen nobody better than me.

1029
00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:37,920
Speaker 5: So absolutely, I do think there's far more.

1030
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:43,480
Speaker 7: Appreciation in their in their kind of competitive nature, like,

1031
00:48:44,200 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 7: and this is the part we kind of miss as fans,

1032
00:48:47,560 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 7: and then.

1033
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:49,480
Speaker 5: This lust for drama.

1034
00:48:50,200 --> 00:48:53,600
Speaker 7: Man, life be different when you hit twenty eight, twenty nine, thirty, like,

1035
00:48:53,640 --> 00:48:57,759
Speaker 7: you don't think the same what you know and by

1036
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 7: then you've been through some stuff, right like, so some

1037
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 7: perspectives changed. I do think there's a part of them

1038
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 7: that's like we're going to be magic and bird like,

1039
00:49:08,280 --> 00:49:09,520
Speaker 7: that's gonna be us, Like.

1040
00:49:09,640 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 5: That is us. We're gonna we're gonna.

1041
00:49:12,040 --> 00:49:14,880
Speaker 7: Go all out, we're gonna compete, we're gonna battle, and

1042
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 7: we're gonna see who come out on top.

1043
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:17,439
Speaker 5: I'm obviously better than.

1044
00:49:17,360 --> 00:49:19,600
Speaker 7: You, but it's gonna be great going against you, right Like,

1045
00:49:20,120 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 7: That's that's their mode, So absolutely, can you imagine if

1046
00:49:24,120 --> 00:49:25,240
Speaker 7: the Warriors winner title.

1047
00:49:25,040 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 6: Before him, he gonna be think about that, Think about Tyler,

1048
00:49:30,920 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 6: look at Tyler.

1049
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 1: Just that's gonna be.

1050
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,480
Speaker 4: And I think it happens this year. I think it

1051
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 4: could happen. I think it happens this year with Clay

1052
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:41,000
Speaker 4: coming back.

1053
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:45,080
Speaker 7: Gonna be a doozy because Draymond will make sure it is,

1054
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 7: Like can you Draymond is the uncle who just got

1055
00:49:49,440 --> 00:49:51,800
Speaker 7: like a bonus with his new job and he showed

1056
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:55,920
Speaker 7: up a Thanksgiving turning all the way. That's gonna be Draymond. Like, Yo,

1057
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 7: y'all said I couldn't get a job. Boom, I got

1058
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:00,799
Speaker 7: a job and they gave me of money. So now

1059
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:03,680
Speaker 7: I'm slapping money on, slapping people with one hundred dollar

1060
00:50:03,760 --> 00:50:07,200
Speaker 7: bills at Thanksgiving, playing out all the family secrets, Like

1061
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,560
Speaker 7: that's gonna be Draymond. Don't lets Draymond get a title. Yo,

1062
00:50:09,600 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 7: I'm just telling you all right now. I mean he

1063
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:11,760
Speaker 7: said it.

1064
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:13,320
Speaker 3: But he read it.

1065
00:50:13,440 --> 00:50:14,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, he said it.

1066
00:50:14,200 --> 00:50:14,680
Speaker 3: He said it.

1067
00:50:15,040 --> 00:50:17,280
Speaker 2: We were cracking up because he's like the last athlete

1068
00:50:17,320 --> 00:50:20,440
Speaker 2: where him threatening to talk shit actually means something, you

1069
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,600
Speaker 2: know what I mean, where you're like, oh, that's gonna

1070
00:50:22,600 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 2: carry some weight, bro.

1071
00:50:24,160 --> 00:50:29,919
Speaker 5: That dude, Oh man, you can't. It'll be great. You're

1072
00:50:29,920 --> 00:50:35,320
Speaker 5: gonna have the greatest episodes all time. It's gonna be lit.

1073
00:50:36,760 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 3: Uh.

1074
00:50:37,440 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 2: So, last question for me, Marcus, I just I loved

1075
00:50:40,600 --> 00:50:44,839
Speaker 2: your approach on this and diving into the old newspapers

1076
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,320
Speaker 2: because I've done that with local history stuff, and I

1077
00:50:47,360 --> 00:50:50,920
Speaker 2: think it's fascinating how much journalism has changed, Right, Like

1078
00:50:51,040 --> 00:50:54,880
Speaker 2: people were writing stuff that had access their stories in

1079
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,759
Speaker 2: the just in a regular daily newspaper that would.

1080
00:50:57,520 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 3: Like end of the fucking world. Now if you were

1081
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 3: to run of.

1082
00:51:00,200 --> 00:51:02,959
Speaker 2: These stories, what did What were your thoughts on how

1083
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:06,440
Speaker 2: you know your industry has changed over the years from

1084
00:51:06,480 --> 00:51:09,200
Speaker 2: those micing teams up to now, Like, were you sort

1085
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,520
Speaker 2: of reading some of these old stories wishing that you

1086
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,279
Speaker 2: could cover things in that era or how did you

1087
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:16,239
Speaker 2: feel about the way that that kind of evolved over

1088
00:51:16,239 --> 00:51:17,160
Speaker 2: the course of your research.

1089
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 7: Well, for sure, one of the things that's jarn that

1090
00:51:19,719 --> 00:51:21,719
Speaker 7: made me kind of think about how I write is

1091
00:51:22,560 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 7: bro like journalism absolutely reflects how sidet He thinks.

1092
00:51:27,320 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 5: Right.

1093
00:51:27,680 --> 00:51:30,560
Speaker 7: I'll be like, hey, you like some of these reporters,

1094
00:51:30,560 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 7: I'm like, Bro, how could you just say that like,

1095
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:35,440
Speaker 7: but it was cool at the time, right, like the

1096
00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 7: best colored player, Like, hey.

1097
00:51:40,680 --> 00:51:43,840
Speaker 1: They rolled out a team of five darkies today, right,

1098
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:45,280
Speaker 1: they rolled.

1099
00:51:47,600 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 4: Lover you know what you say?

1100
00:51:52,640 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 7: Yo?

1101
00:51:52,920 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 5: You was reckless? So yeah, it was interesting. One of

1102
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:01,840
Speaker 5: the things that really stood out though, Like Mike.

1103
00:52:01,719 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 7: I'm telling you, like the columnists were everything, like the

1104
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:10,279
Speaker 7: people with opinions, like, right, it was so like it

1105
00:52:10,320 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 7: was so prominent.

1106
00:52:12,120 --> 00:52:12,880
Speaker 5: And it wasn't.

1107
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:16,960
Speaker 7: It wasn't like now where everybody's opinion is available like back.

1108
00:52:16,760 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 5: Then, it was like it was one It was one dude,

1109
00:52:19,560 --> 00:52:20,920
Speaker 5: like you see all these stories.

1110
00:52:20,640 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 7: And then one dude was popping off like talking crazy,

1111
00:52:23,520 --> 00:52:26,600
Speaker 7: like saying what he wanted to say, and it was like, yo,

1112
00:52:26,880 --> 00:52:27,680
Speaker 7: like this is crazy.

1113
00:52:27,680 --> 00:52:28,960
Speaker 5: Can you imagine that?

1114
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:32,640
Speaker 7: Like in one market whatever, like in Boston, there's like

1115
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:36,320
Speaker 7: one voice, you know what I'm saying, Like it was wild.

1116
00:52:36,880 --> 00:52:38,879
Speaker 7: I kind of wish I was I was back then.

1117
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:41,680
Speaker 7: I want to I want to be in that era

1118
00:52:41,760 --> 00:52:44,080
Speaker 7: where it's like, Yo, you earn a spot, you get

1119
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 7: the column, you get your opinion, and that's and then

1120
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:49,640
Speaker 7: you sit on that thing for like twenty years saying

1121
00:52:49,640 --> 00:52:50,120
Speaker 7: whatever the.

1122
00:52:50,080 --> 00:52:51,120
Speaker 5: Hell you are, right, like.

1123
00:52:52,880 --> 00:52:54,160
Speaker 3: All the local hall of Fames and.

1124
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:58,439
Speaker 5: Like, yo, I'm conscious of his city.

1125
00:52:58,480 --> 00:52:59,000
Speaker 7: I like it.

1126
00:52:59,239 --> 00:53:00,440
Speaker 5: And you know, I'm this.

1127
00:53:00,320 --> 00:53:02,160
Speaker 7: Is coming from a dude who's a columnist in Oakland,

1128
00:53:02,200 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 7: right in my hometown. Right, I still feel like my

1129
00:53:06,160 --> 00:53:08,000
Speaker 7: opinion don't matter, like.

1130
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:10,160
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying, Like it's cool.

1131
00:53:10,000 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 7: But like anybody like I wonder Marcus Thompson thinks on this, right,

1132
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 7: Like if I have a great opinion and it finds somebody,

1133
00:53:16,600 --> 00:53:19,560
Speaker 7: they'll read it. But nobody's like, I wonder what I

1134
00:53:19,640 --> 00:53:21,799
Speaker 7: have to read what he thinks about it? Like back then,

1135
00:53:21,840 --> 00:53:22,480
Speaker 7: that's how it was.

1136
00:53:22,560 --> 00:53:23,759
Speaker 5: It was crazy, and they will be.

1137
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:27,479
Speaker 7: So reckless sometimes you know what I'm saying, they would

1138
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:30,719
Speaker 7: be r I'm like, yo, you really could quit this,

1139
00:53:31,160 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 7: Like this is crazy.

1140
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:35,560
Speaker 5: And it makes me wonder what am I writing now

1141
00:53:36,680 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 5: that in the.

1142
00:53:37,480 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 7: Future somebody gonna be looking back on the newspapers dot

1143
00:53:39,719 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 7: com be like, Yo, this dude was out of pocket.

1144
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 5: He was he was problematic, he was toxic, right.

1145
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 2: Like I bet, I bet twenty years from now, they

1146
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,680
Speaker 2: won't believe how many times a season you talked to

1147
00:53:52,800 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: the top guys like in my like I think that's

1148
00:53:55,800 --> 00:53:57,719
Speaker 2: I think the access will be you know what I mean,

1149
00:53:57,760 --> 00:53:59,799
Speaker 2: I think the access is going to get more and

1150
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:01,719
Speaker 2: more limited to where it's like they're not going to

1151
00:54:01,760 --> 00:54:03,640
Speaker 2: believe like, oh, you talked to him before the game

1152
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:04,320
Speaker 2: and after that.

1153
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:05,760
Speaker 3: Like I think that's.

1154
00:54:05,640 --> 00:54:09,000
Speaker 2: What people will look back on because, as you said,

1155
00:54:09,640 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: I mean Tyler at this point, Tyler probably would have

1156
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,320
Speaker 2: been the best newspaper columnist for the first hundred years

1157
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,440
Speaker 2: that fucking newspapers were around, right, But now if you

1158
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,960
Speaker 2: have a phone, you're in the game on that ship.

1159
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:21,960
Speaker 3: And so these dudes is like, why do we want

1160
00:54:22,000 --> 00:54:22,960
Speaker 3: to talk to these guys?

1161
00:54:23,000 --> 00:54:25,720
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I'm already the bygone.

1162
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:32,960
Speaker 6: Remember the locker rooms, Like geez, you know the copart man,

1163
00:54:33,040 --> 00:54:36,560
Speaker 6: if I could get into my own little gripe like, man,

1164
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 6: that's our.

1165
00:54:37,200 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 7: Lane as black reporters, you know, I mean a lot

1166
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:40,840
Speaker 7: of us got our jobs.

1167
00:54:40,560 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 5: Because we could speak the language and get the locker room.

1168
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:42,799
Speaker 3: Right.

1169
00:54:42,840 --> 00:54:44,920
Speaker 7: They were like, hey, man, talk the job and get

1170
00:54:44,960 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 7: in there with them.

1171
00:54:50,160 --> 00:54:53,919
Speaker 3: That's what the paper editors say. That's a direct pot.

1172
00:54:57,239 --> 00:54:58,920
Speaker 7: He's good at the locker room. It's kind of like

1173
00:54:59,000 --> 00:55:02,600
Speaker 7: how and like basketball in the locker room. In the

1174
00:55:02,600 --> 00:55:05,319
Speaker 7: locker room, yeah, or either he's a he's an as

1175
00:55:05,440 --> 00:55:05,919
Speaker 7: blue guy.

1176
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 5: Like it's like he's good in.

1177
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:08,239
Speaker 7: The locker room.

1178
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,960
Speaker 5: Man, he could really work at locker room field. These

1179
00:55:11,080 --> 00:55:13,520
Speaker 5: niggas need These niggas need a nigga.

1180
00:55:13,560 --> 00:55:13,919
Speaker 4: I wonder.

1181
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:16,239
Speaker 5: I don't know, they're like you're in the locker room

1182
00:55:16,280 --> 00:55:18,680
Speaker 5: reporters and hockey. I don't know. I know it's hell

1183
00:55:18,719 --> 00:55:21,120
Speaker 5: of basketball football That's what I do, though.

1184
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:24,479
Speaker 11: But I feel like, man, we took away superpower man

1185
00:55:24,600 --> 00:55:27,240
Speaker 11: like like that was our thing. Like we're going there

1186
00:55:27,280 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 11: like hey, you know, nobody is better at this to

1187
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:31,359
Speaker 11: Mark Spears, nobody like.

1188
00:55:31,480 --> 00:55:34,080
Speaker 5: And like day like he don't even get to go

1189
00:55:34,160 --> 00:55:35,680
Speaker 5: to the locker room no more. But Mark Spears is

1190
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:36,760
Speaker 5: such a such a gangster.

1191
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:39,440
Speaker 7: He was just like stand outside the locker room and

1192
00:55:39,520 --> 00:55:41,040
Speaker 7: just be like, hey, come high at me, and ain't

1193
00:55:41,040 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 7: nobody walking past them. But for the rest of us,

1194
00:55:43,640 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 7: who got our jobs because we can you know, we

1195
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 7: can talk to Joves Like it's tough on zoom.

1196
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:52,000
Speaker 5: You can't do that. I tried it on Zoom one time,

1197
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:55,160
Speaker 5: like just trying to like, hey, I'm.

1198
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:58,160
Speaker 7: Here, like you know on of all these screens, I'm

1199
00:55:58,160 --> 00:56:00,120
Speaker 7: gonna let you know that you're talking to Marcus so

1200
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:02,960
Speaker 7: I was like, you know, I call Steph Wordale sometimes, right,

1201
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,480
Speaker 7: so I'm like Wardale and He's like and then I've

1202
00:56:05,480 --> 00:56:11,240
Speaker 7: become a mean right, Like, you gotta do something because

1203
00:56:11,480 --> 00:56:13,840
Speaker 7: I'm supposed to be talking that time, right, I'm supposed

1204
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,319
Speaker 7: to be there.

1205
00:56:15,800 --> 00:56:19,200
Speaker 5: I'm here now, you.

1206
00:56:19,120 --> 00:56:21,600
Speaker 3: Know, Marcus really relates to the players.

1207
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:26,080
Speaker 5: Like you know exactly what.

1208
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:28,600
Speaker 7: I'm talking about, man, Like, that's that's how we get

1209
00:56:28,640 --> 00:56:30,600
Speaker 7: our start, Like, man, we need some black people.

1210
00:56:32,880 --> 00:56:35,359
Speaker 2: Well shit, I mean, I'm I'm a local sports writer

1211
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:38,399
Speaker 2: in Long Beach, but I'm the I'm the white guy

1212
00:56:38,440 --> 00:56:40,759
Speaker 2: that the high school kids talk to. That's not the

1213
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 2: old white guy, you know what I mean? So oh yeah,

1214
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:47,279
Speaker 2: talk about absolutely, I'm on the junior side of the

1215
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:48,560
Speaker 2: high school reporter.

1216
00:56:49,480 --> 00:56:53,120
Speaker 7: Look John, they used to So I got started at

1217
00:56:53,160 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 7: a suburban newspaper like Wannut Creek, right.

1218
00:56:56,840 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 5: Like, that's where I started covering high school sports in

1219
00:57:01,320 --> 00:57:02,919
Speaker 5: the burbs, right cover.

1220
00:57:03,320 --> 00:57:04,160
Speaker 3: How long ago was this?

1221
00:57:04,560 --> 00:57:07,080
Speaker 7: I got started in ninety nine, so my first few

1222
00:57:07,160 --> 00:57:10,080
Speaker 7: years I didn't. I started covering NBA in four So

1223
00:57:10,160 --> 00:57:12,040
Speaker 7: my first few years I was covering.

1224
00:57:11,760 --> 00:57:15,879
Speaker 5: Like Little Water, Polo and La Cross, right, but.

1225
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 7: Every you know, but every now and again, one of

1226
00:57:17,560 --> 00:57:19,720
Speaker 7: these teams in Oakland get really good and somebody got

1227
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:21,160
Speaker 7: to go gotta go.

1228
00:57:21,120 --> 00:57:24,160
Speaker 5: Cover you know, Oakland Tech or my climate is who

1229
00:57:24,280 --> 00:57:24,640
Speaker 5: you think?

1230
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: What do you think they was?

1231
00:57:29,520 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 3: Marcus when you you at the mac.

1232
00:57:30,920 --> 00:57:34,480
Speaker 7: On side right right, like, man, I'm out here at

1233
00:57:34,560 --> 00:57:37,120
Speaker 7: I'm out here in the burbs, man, Like, let me check,

1234
00:57:37,160 --> 00:57:39,360
Speaker 7: I got my feet up. The white people everywhere, you know,

1235
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 7: you know, we get a certain slack the only black

1236
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,600
Speaker 7: dude in the room, like, hey, I'm in here right,

1237
00:57:45,360 --> 00:57:46,320
Speaker 7: come tell me something.

1238
00:57:46,320 --> 00:57:46,959
Speaker 5: I got bad?

1239
00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 7: What regularly do out of Oakland School basketball?

1240
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:54,800
Speaker 5: I can't stand out there.

1241
00:57:54,960 --> 00:57:57,160
Speaker 7: But every time they were like, hey go do that

1242
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 7: when the Raiders were leaving, it's like, hey man, we

1243
00:57:59,120 --> 00:58:02,240
Speaker 7: need somebody to really work, work the audience in the

1244
00:58:02,240 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 7: parking lot.

1245
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,000
Speaker 5: This might be the last game. Oh y'all send to

1246
00:58:06,040 --> 00:58:08,440
Speaker 5: me to the Raiders tailgate. Okay, I got.

1247
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: That's fucking funny.

1248
00:58:12,880 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 2: All right, man, Well, thank you so much for your time.

1249
00:58:15,880 --> 00:58:18,120
Speaker 2: Thank you for the book. If you don't have Dynasties,

1250
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:21,000
Speaker 2: please go get it. You have I don't know how

1251
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:23,000
Speaker 2: many fucking episodes we spent talking about it, but you

1252
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,240
Speaker 2: have lots of the interview plus lots of other conversations

1253
00:58:26,240 --> 00:58:26,880
Speaker 2: to catch up on.

1254
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:28,880
Speaker 3: Marcus. Thanks again for hopping on, man.

1255
00:58:28,920 --> 00:58:29,400
Speaker 1: We appreciate it.

1256
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:35,560
Speaker 7: Thanks for taking the opportunity to slum on the book

1257
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,440
Speaker 7: club and take a break from stuff that really matters.

1258
00:58:40,760 --> 00:58:45,200
Speaker 7: I appreciate the willingness to put me among the elites

1259
00:58:45,240 --> 00:58:48,480
Speaker 7: you talk about in the book club like this don't belong,

1260
00:58:48,760 --> 00:58:49,520
Speaker 7: I promise you.

1261
00:58:51,040 --> 00:58:53,800
Speaker 4: Thank you. I was tired of crying while reading, and

1262
00:58:53,880 --> 00:58:56,960
Speaker 4: so I was learning and having fun, you know what

1263
00:58:56,960 --> 00:58:59,200
Speaker 4: I mean. So the other books were great too, you

1264
00:58:59,200 --> 00:59:00,720
Speaker 4: know what I mean. This is a good balance.

1265
00:59:00,760 --> 00:59:04,840
Speaker 2: So thank you for John wanted to read Beloved during

1266
00:59:04,880 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 2: the time period as he was having his first child,

1267
00:59:08,080 --> 00:59:11,040
Speaker 2: and Tyler was like, no. I was like, I don't

1268
00:59:11,040 --> 00:59:12,680
Speaker 2: think we should do that. And Tyler was like, we're

1269
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:13,919
Speaker 2: going to read dynasties.

1270
00:59:19,160 --> 00:59:31,880
Speaker 5: You don't even know it like in there like fighting. Yes,

1271
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,880
Speaker 5: good job, Tyler. I appreciate y'all. Y'all, y'all are the best.

1272
00:59:35,200 --> 00:59:38,000
Speaker 5: I'm telling you, like I'm proud of your success.

1273
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:42,439
Speaker 7: Uh, Tyler, No, man, I've been telling Tyler for years, like, hey,

1274
00:59:42,680 --> 00:59:44,920
Speaker 7: I tried to get Tyler at the athletic but we

1275
00:59:44,960 --> 00:59:47,040
Speaker 7: didn't have four million dollars, so he didn't come rock

1276
00:59:47,120 --> 00:59:47,360
Speaker 7: with us.

1277
00:59:48,520 --> 00:59:50,560
Speaker 3: Tyler, Tyler, we.

1278
00:59:52,040 --> 00:59:53,480
Speaker 4: Don't know he's but he's smart.

1279
00:59:53,520 --> 00:59:56,640
Speaker 2: But he's too Like I had it backwards, Marcus had

1280
00:59:56,640 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 2: it backwards. Journalism should be the side hustle, not the

1281
01:00:00,080 --> 01:00:03,440
Speaker 2: fucking nothing may play. Tyler figured it out before.

1282
01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:04,840
Speaker 3: All of us out, no question.

1283
01:00:05,320 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, you know the right opportunity to write

1284
01:00:07,400 --> 01:00:09,120
Speaker 1: back come along. You know you might see me dip

1285
01:00:09,160 --> 01:00:09,680
Speaker 1: the pin again.

1286
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:14,280
Speaker 4: So he says Mike too, that he lead it real

1287
01:00:14,400 --> 01:00:18,920
Speaker 4: heavy on that mic that might heaviest.

1288
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,600
Speaker 7: Generational curses over here with my pin that he don't

1289
01:00:20,600 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 7: even want to use.

1290
01:00:21,400 --> 01:00:22,080
Speaker 5: Like think about that.

1291
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,760
Speaker 7: I'm giving all I got to try to save my

1292
01:00:25,200 --> 01:00:27,760
Speaker 7: he like I might pull it out, like it's levels

1293
01:00:27,760 --> 01:00:28,040
Speaker 7: to this.

1294
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:32,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I've been in a good spot for quite

1295
01:00:32,800 --> 01:00:35,320
Speaker 1: a few years, making good money. I've been working remotely

1296
01:00:35,320 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 1: since fucking twenty sixteen, bro, So so like I've my

1297
01:00:39,080 --> 01:00:42,400
Speaker 1: life has been how I wanted to be for quite

1298
01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:42,720
Speaker 1: a while.

1299
01:00:42,760 --> 01:00:44,560
Speaker 3: He doesn't have to worry about the head of funds.

1300
01:00:44,680 --> 01:00:48,000
Speaker 2: You don't have to worry about like layoffs, about oh

1301
01:00:48,040 --> 01:00:50,720
Speaker 2: where is how are we going to fund the journalistic

1302
01:00:51,160 --> 01:00:52,400
Speaker 2: enterprise in America?

1303
01:00:52,520 --> 01:00:54,240
Speaker 3: He's just like, Oh, I have a job that I

1304
01:00:54,240 --> 01:00:54,560
Speaker 3: could do.

1305
01:00:55,480 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 5: I'm like, that's important.

1306
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:01,640
Speaker 7: By the way, one thousand say to Draymond, he's gotta

1307
01:01:01,720 --> 01:01:02,600
Speaker 7: come on the show.

1308
01:01:05,720 --> 01:01:07,600
Speaker 4: Like any time, bros.

1309
01:01:07,640 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 5: Well, but I'll leave.

1310
01:01:10,720 --> 01:01:16,200
Speaker 7: I was like, bro, and y'all bet not gonna soft

1311
01:01:16,200 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 7: because it's Draymond give him all.

1312
01:01:18,480 --> 01:01:25,040
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I don't think Draymond you feel me.

1313
01:01:25,080 --> 01:01:27,160
Speaker 4: I think he wanted us to. Really, you know what

1314
01:01:27,200 --> 01:01:27,560
Speaker 4: I'm say.

1315
01:01:27,640 --> 01:01:30,840
Speaker 7: I love Draymond like he don't. He don't appreciate kissing

1316
01:01:30,960 --> 01:01:33,960
Speaker 7: up like you ain't. You ain't really close with Draymond

1317
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:34,919
Speaker 7: until he cuts you out.

1318
01:01:35,000 --> 01:01:36,680
Speaker 5: So like let's.

1319
01:01:38,200 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 4: I think the thing with Dre is to like even

1320
01:01:40,960 --> 01:01:42,560
Speaker 4: with like with all the players and the Warriors, like

1321
01:01:42,600 --> 01:01:45,040
Speaker 4: we didn't like the Warriors. We never disliked the players though,

1322
01:01:45,080 --> 01:01:46,920
Speaker 4: you know what I mean, Like we was happening. I mean,

1323
01:01:47,120 --> 01:01:48,920
Speaker 4: I mean we were in the game. You know what

1324
01:01:48,960 --> 01:01:50,840
Speaker 4: I'm saying. It's fun, Draymond. You know what I mean.

1325
01:01:50,960 --> 01:01:53,040
Speaker 4: You kick Browning the balls, We're gonna climb the ship

1326
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:53,400
Speaker 4: out of you.

1327
01:01:53,440 --> 01:01:54,360
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

1328
01:01:54,680 --> 01:01:56,920
Speaker 4: But like when we outside of the game, like you

1329
01:01:56,960 --> 01:01:59,000
Speaker 4: know what I'm saying, we like Draymond is a real one,

1330
01:01:59,040 --> 01:02:01,040
Speaker 4: you feel me, Like when we hear him speak and

1331
01:02:01,080 --> 01:02:03,080
Speaker 4: stuff like talking about basketball, we you know, we fuck

1332
01:02:03,160 --> 01:02:05,200
Speaker 4: with him, you know what I mean? So I'd be

1333
01:02:05,520 --> 01:02:06,200
Speaker 4: hell excited.

1334
01:02:06,320 --> 01:02:09,200
Speaker 12: Well also when they like they like that part of

1335
01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:11,439
Speaker 12: the game, Like you could talk, like you could say

1336
01:02:11,480 --> 01:02:13,680
Speaker 12: whatever you want about Steph and he'd be like, yeah,

1337
01:02:15,040 --> 01:02:18,480
Speaker 12: like you might be the toughest dude from like Suburbana

1338
01:02:18,480 --> 01:02:19,440
Speaker 12: I ever met my life.

1339
01:02:19,560 --> 01:02:25,000
Speaker 7: Like, yeah, absolutely, those dudes.

1340
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: Those dudes love being the villain, which is why I

1341
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,320
Speaker 1: don't get why so many people were hanging on to

1342
01:02:29,400 --> 01:02:31,120
Speaker 1: that step is humble thing. I was like, no, he

1343
01:02:31,320 --> 01:02:34,560
Speaker 1: isn't in He's cocky as fucking humble, is boring and ship,

1344
01:02:34,800 --> 01:02:38,960
Speaker 1: why do y'all want him to be born.

1345
01:02:37,720 --> 01:02:43,000
Speaker 4: Those arrogant players to ever play the game. But I

1346
01:02:43,000 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 4: would be dragging my nuts too.

1347
01:02:44,840 --> 01:02:47,600
Speaker 2: It's a it's a it's a white basketball, black basketball

1348
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:50,720
Speaker 2: thing Marcus was talking about earlier. It's that segment of

1349
01:02:50,800 --> 01:02:55,160
Speaker 2: basketball fans need someone to project themselves onto.

1350
01:02:55,640 --> 01:02:56,440
Speaker 3: This dude was.

1351
01:02:58,280 --> 01:03:00,200
Speaker 2: You know, he would have tossed the ball back to

1352
01:03:00,240 --> 01:03:02,920
Speaker 2: the referee after he scored the touchdown, Like that's just

1353
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,720
Speaker 2: and it doesn't matter but look, we've seen that with

1354
01:03:05,800 --> 01:03:08,120
Speaker 2: all kinds of athletes. It doesn't matter who you actually are.

1355
01:03:08,240 --> 01:03:11,720
Speaker 2: To those two people, it's who are you in my head?

1356
01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 2: And he's that dude in their head because he's not

1357
01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:17,680
Speaker 2: He's not doing shit that they feel like they couldn't do.

1358
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,360
Speaker 2: He's not touching the top of the backboard or whatever. Right,

1359
01:03:20,560 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 2: It's like I can ship three though.

1360
01:03:24,800 --> 01:03:27,680
Speaker 4: Back on the ball, talking to the nigga at the

1361
01:03:27,840 --> 01:03:29,920
Speaker 4: end of the base, but it ain't got shit to

1362
01:03:30,040 --> 01:03:33,320
Speaker 4: do with the game. Let him know, I'm dragging my

1363
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:34,640
Speaker 4: nuts across you too.

1364
01:03:35,000 --> 01:03:36,680
Speaker 5: But you think about.

1365
01:03:36,400 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 7: This, that is that mean that dude is six foot three?

1366
01:03:40,280 --> 01:03:42,400
Speaker 7: He just got to what ninety? Because he even put

1367
01:03:42,440 --> 01:03:49,400
Speaker 7: those bustles right, And Charlotte Christian via what's an NBA

1368
01:03:49,400 --> 01:03:52,760
Speaker 7: from Charlotte Christian that David said, like, you don't get

1369
01:03:52,800 --> 01:03:56,800
Speaker 7: to be Steph with some inferiority complex.

1370
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: Right, I like that.

1371
01:03:58,560 --> 01:04:01,640
Speaker 7: Maybe this move is the scene you know exactly right,

1372
01:04:01,920 --> 01:04:05,320
Speaker 7: he did the Burnie lead and seawalk in Oklahoma City, Right.

1373
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:11,360
Speaker 5: But the dichonomy of Stephan, this part I like about Steph.

1374
01:04:11,400 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 7: And I think all these dudes are whole humans, right,

1375
01:04:16,400 --> 01:04:20,120
Speaker 7: their whole beings with layers in the fact, like Russell

1376
01:04:20,120 --> 01:04:22,680
Speaker 7: Westbrook is the mayniact in court. Everything I heard about

1377
01:04:22,720 --> 01:04:26,160
Speaker 7: a great father, a great family dude. Right, so when

1378
01:04:26,240 --> 01:04:28,840
Speaker 7: you meet Steph, it will blow your mind. Right, the

1379
01:04:28,880 --> 01:04:32,880
Speaker 7: same dude who's out here literally turning away from the.

1380
01:04:32,840 --> 01:04:35,960
Speaker 5: Shot like like like the.

1381
01:04:37,680 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 7: Cool guy walk away from the explosion scene in the movie,

1382
01:04:40,400 --> 01:04:43,600
Speaker 7: Like that's Steph, right, And then you meet him and

1383
01:04:43,640 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 7: it's like Joe, You're like the most connected, reachable dude.

1384
01:04:47,280 --> 01:04:50,880
Speaker 7: So he does have this persona where he feels so reachable,

1385
01:04:50,960 --> 01:04:53,560
Speaker 7: like he's just the dude in line at Potle. But

1386
01:04:53,720 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 7: he is a murderer. And that's the thing about Steff,

1387
01:04:57,560 --> 01:04:59,680
Speaker 7: Like there's nothing like Steve. Kurt says he's the most

1388
01:04:59,720 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 7: humble off the court, the most arrogant guy on it,

1389
01:05:01,880 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 7: Like it's this is Steph is playing out twenty years

1390
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:11,560
Speaker 7: of being punked and people trying to punk him and

1391
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:14,320
Speaker 7: call him soft and say he weak, and him and

1392
01:05:14,360 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 7: his brother was going across the tracksit Charlotte to fire

1393
01:05:17,000 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 7: a real hoop and having to take the big cousin

1394
01:05:19,320 --> 01:05:21,680
Speaker 7: with him because they might get jumped. Like it's twenty

1395
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 7: years and like I've made it now, I'm about to

1396
01:05:24,160 --> 01:05:27,280
Speaker 7: show y'all. So it's crazy to watch Steph and be

1397
01:05:27,440 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 7: like this dude is humble, Like he literally was dancing

1398
01:05:30,920 --> 01:05:31,840
Speaker 7: on James.

1399
01:05:31,480 --> 01:05:32,520
Speaker 5: Harden every playoff.

1400
01:05:32,560 --> 01:05:37,720
Speaker 4: Seriously, the rabbit got the gun and it's a motherfucking

1401
01:05:37,760 --> 01:05:39,760
Speaker 4: ak nigga. He letting that bitch fall.

1402
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,400
Speaker 7: You're great about it, right, It's what's incredible about it.

1403
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:45,640
Speaker 5: The reason I respect stuff is.

1404
01:05:45,640 --> 01:05:48,080
Speaker 7: Because when he when the other one, when the rabbit

1405
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:50,160
Speaker 7: lost the gun and Elma Fudd had it, he was like,

1406
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,080
Speaker 7: all right, bring it because this is part of the game.

1407
01:05:53,360 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 7: I'm out here dadcing. It's strutting, so I gotta take it.

1408
01:05:55,920 --> 01:05:57,200
Speaker 7: When y'all dog in my shoes.

1409
01:05:58,440 --> 01:06:01,560
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, you're like, like, I love I love that. Yeah,

1410
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:04,280
Speaker 1: you got me smirk that step Bad Women three Shim

1411
01:06:05,080 --> 01:06:07,840
Speaker 1: and the playoff. You know, step wasn't even he wasn't

1412
01:06:07,880 --> 01:06:08,200
Speaker 1: even mad.

1413
01:06:08,240 --> 01:06:11,120
Speaker 5: He's like, yeah, you don't get I'm trying to bade him.

1414
01:06:11,160 --> 01:06:12,240
Speaker 5: Trust me, I've been behind the scenes.

1415
01:06:12,280 --> 01:06:14,240
Speaker 1: He man, you see what I'm.

1416
01:06:14,120 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 5: Trying to get. He was.

1417
01:06:17,600 --> 01:06:19,920
Speaker 4: That leans more into the psycho ship to me, though,

1418
01:06:19,920 --> 01:06:22,640
Speaker 4: that he's not mad after a nigga does his move

1419
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 4: on him. You know what I mean like he's a

1420
01:06:25,320 --> 01:06:27,120
Speaker 4: he's a you know, I'm phrasy question.

1421
01:06:27,600 --> 01:06:28,160
Speaker 5: He is different.

1422
01:06:28,200 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 7: But then his dad was getting cooked by Jordan all

1423
01:06:30,120 --> 01:06:32,480
Speaker 7: his childhood, so of course he knows how the game goes.

1424
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:35,280
Speaker 4: So maybe he's bain.

1425
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:42,760
Speaker 5: You know, man, I was born in that dude, You

1426
01:06:42,800 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 5: know what I mean? Right?

1427
01:06:43,920 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 3: Like all Mark.

1428
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:54,440
Speaker 5: Just gave me he's bad man. He couldn't be bad man.

1429
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:56,120
Speaker 5: You know he saw his dad get cooked.

1430
01:06:56,440 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?

1431
01:06:57,880 --> 01:06:59,880
Speaker 5: You know what I'm saying.

1432
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:02,160
Speaker 4: I got some fun that ass.

1433
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 1: Now you feel me?

1434
01:07:05,160 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 2: You are You're welcome back anytime, future co host of

1435
01:07:08,240 --> 01:07:09,120
Speaker 2: Jenkins and Jones.

1436
01:07:09,120 --> 01:07:10,040
Speaker 3: We appreciate you.

1437
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:13,440
Speaker 2: Uh and go get dynasties. Go get dynasties if you

1438
01:07:13,440 --> 01:07:14,800
Speaker 2: don't have it already. We did sell a lot of

1439
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:16,080
Speaker 2: books for you, though, bro. We had a lot of

1440
01:07:16,080 --> 01:07:17,600
Speaker 2: people tweeting at us that they bought.

1441
01:07:17,400 --> 01:07:19,040
Speaker 1: The book, so you sure did.

1442
01:07:19,280 --> 01:07:20,160
Speaker 3: We're feeling good about it.

1443
01:07:21,320 --> 01:07:25,800
Speaker 4: Let me know, Marcus sold a lot of books. We

1444
01:07:25,880 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 4: just put it on the pond like we ain't doing.

1445
01:07:29,600 --> 01:07:31,400
Speaker 1: We went it was so fun.

1446
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:34,680
Speaker 5: Now, Jones, bump, I'm with that. Let's go ahead and

1447
01:07:34,680 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 5: get that started.

1448
01:07:36,240 --> 01:07:39,640
Speaker 3: I love that.

1449
01:07:40,000 --> 01:07:41,680
Speaker 4: Go ahead and make it a day put us on

1450
01:07:41,720 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 4: the tour, put us on a book too.

1451
01:07:43,160 --> 01:07:45,120
Speaker 5: Don't just let me be the last basketball. No, I

1452
01:07:45,120 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 5: ain't gonna do that. Go back to changing lives and

1453
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:52,440
Speaker 5: shifting paradigm. We're going back to beloved.

1454
01:07:52,720 --> 01:07:57,120
Speaker 4: We're going to believe it.

1455
01:07:56,360 --> 01:07:59,600
Speaker 2: You feel all right? Our thanks to Marcus for hopping

1456
01:07:59,600 --> 01:08:02,320
Speaker 2: on with the us. I made the joke of the end.

1457
01:08:02,320 --> 01:08:04,680
Speaker 2: But I mean, I just we It feels like every

1458
01:08:04,720 --> 01:08:07,000
Speaker 2: other guest we have is someone where I'm like, they

1459
01:08:07,040 --> 01:08:10,160
Speaker 2: could just host the show, like you know, if John

1460
01:08:10,160 --> 01:08:12,200
Speaker 2: has another kid, Tyler as a kid, like you know,

1461
01:08:12,600 --> 01:08:14,480
Speaker 2: something happens one of us needs to take a month off,

1462
01:08:14,480 --> 01:08:16,920
Speaker 2: It's like we just do the you know, like Letterman

1463
01:08:17,040 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 2: or Leno used to do. Or it'd be like someone's

1464
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,040
Speaker 2: gonna come in and guest host their show for a week.

1465
01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:23,479
Speaker 2: It's like we could just ask markets to come back,

1466
01:08:24,240 --> 01:08:26,960
Speaker 2: just do the show. He's an Oakland dude.

1467
01:08:26,960 --> 01:08:29,160
Speaker 4: We could probably pull an Oakland nigga off the street

1468
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:31,680
Speaker 4: and naked, you know, you know what I mean, Like

1469
01:08:31,720 --> 01:08:36,080
Speaker 4: that's a special breed of filman, you know what I mean. So, yeah,

1470
01:08:36,720 --> 01:08:38,599
Speaker 4: you call me in and talking about Tom Benness, Hey

1471
01:08:38,760 --> 01:08:39,479
Speaker 4: swap me off.

1472
01:08:41,840 --> 01:08:43,880
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean, all the guys he brought on

1473
01:08:43,960 --> 01:08:46,280
Speaker 1: here have been our fucking Twitter pals for years and shit,

1474
01:08:46,400 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 1: so you know there's always that report there.

1475
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,160
Speaker 2: So yeah, definitely, I didn't know he was trying to

1476
01:08:50,200 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: recruit you. I didn't know he was recruiting the recruiter Tyler.

1477
01:08:54,800 --> 01:08:58,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, we we talked Turkey a few years back.

1478
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:03,600
Speaker 4: You know, honestly, I'm surprised when somebody isn't trying to

1479
01:09:03,600 --> 01:09:05,960
Speaker 4: recruit Tyler. I think that's a weird thing to not

1480
01:09:06,080 --> 01:09:08,280
Speaker 4: want to get him to do writing shit for you,

1481
01:09:08,280 --> 01:09:08,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean.

1482
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:12,600
Speaker 2: Tyler heard that the Athletic was charging a dollar a

1483
01:09:12,680 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: month for subscriptions, and he was like, I don't know

1484
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: what you're gonna pay me, but it's not gonna be

1485
01:09:16,360 --> 01:09:17,599
Speaker 2: enough if you're only charging people.

1486
01:09:18,200 --> 01:09:20,679
Speaker 4: The thing is to have four things he really gives

1487
01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 4: a fuck about, and he's surrounded by him in his life,

1488
01:09:23,479 --> 01:09:26,719
Speaker 4: so to get him away from those shit things, it's like, yeah,

1489
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,799
Speaker 4: you got to really throw a huge bag. I'm already good,

1490
01:09:29,960 --> 01:09:30,479
Speaker 4: you know what I.

1491
01:09:30,360 --> 01:09:32,679
Speaker 1: Mean exactly, That's exactly it.

1492
01:09:32,840 --> 01:09:36,000
Speaker 2: I remember I have told this story, but I know

1493
01:09:36,080 --> 01:09:38,800
Speaker 2: that Tyler was a big fan of drunk history when

1494
01:09:38,840 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 2: it was on Comedy Central, and I happened to know

1495
01:09:41,960 --> 01:09:44,600
Speaker 2: someone who was really tight with one of the producers

1496
01:09:44,640 --> 01:09:48,879
Speaker 2: on that show, and I was trying to set up, Oh.

1497
01:09:48,720 --> 01:09:50,719
Speaker 3: You know what if you were to do one about

1498
01:09:50,760 --> 01:09:51,519
Speaker 3: Richmond or whatever.

1499
01:09:52,280 --> 01:09:54,160
Speaker 2: And then it was like you found out they filmed

1500
01:09:54,160 --> 01:09:56,920
Speaker 2: it somewhere else or something and that it was not

1501
01:09:57,080 --> 01:09:58,559
Speaker 2: like paid, And you were like, I'm.

1502
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,479
Speaker 1: Good, bro, I don't give a about exposure.

1503
01:10:02,840 --> 01:10:04,640
Speaker 2: I'm trying to be on a TV show that I

1504
01:10:04,720 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: like for free. I'm good man, Like, I already have

1505
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:07,879
Speaker 2: plans on Saturday.

1506
01:10:10,200 --> 01:10:12,080
Speaker 13: Just get high and watch it. You know, you're trying

1507
01:10:12,080 --> 01:10:13,960
Speaker 13: to add work to my life. You know what I'm saying,

1508
01:10:14,160 --> 01:10:21,120
Speaker 13: unpaid work that sounds like slaver. Get that away from me,

1509
01:10:21,240 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 13: the peu that stinks, nigga.

1510
01:10:23,240 --> 01:10:27,120
Speaker 2: All right, that's our show, uh for the for the week,

1511
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,040
Speaker 2: I was gonna I was gonna introduce a new segment.

1512
01:10:30,200 --> 01:10:33,520
Speaker 3: A that's a devil segment uh in talking about.

1513
01:10:33,400 --> 01:10:39,559
Speaker 4: That's A we might even put that on some search Nigga,

1514
01:10:39,600 --> 01:10:43,519
Speaker 4: I got I wear at.

1515
01:10:42,600 --> 01:10:46,639
Speaker 2: That's I got a great candidate for for for Monday's podcast.

1516
01:10:46,680 --> 01:10:47,840
Speaker 3: So we'll get to that next week.

1517
01:10:47,880 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 2: But thanks for talking with US as always, Thanks again

1518
01:10:49,800 --> 01:10:51,639
Speaker 2: to Marcus for hopping on. That was a great interview

1519
01:10:51,720 --> 01:10:53,240
Speaker 2: and we'll see you guys next time.

1520
01:10:53,760 --> 01:10:55,240
Speaker 5: My bye.

1521
01:10:56,560 --> 01:10:56,800
Speaker 8: That's