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Speaker 2: Wait a minute, help, I'm ghosted.

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Speaker 1: By guys that says please, Oh hey boo, it's me Roz.

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Speaker 1: I am so excited for a listener episode. It has

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Speaker 1: been months I have missed doing these. I'm so happy

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Speaker 1: I want to do more, so, like always, please send

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Speaker 1: me your ghost stories to ghosted by Roz at gmail

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Speaker 1: dot com. Put in the subject line listener episode or

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Speaker 1: little bullet points of what your stories are and I'll

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Speaker 1: it later, because you know, I want to have like

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Speaker 1: I don't know. Send me stories, send them in and

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Speaker 1: we'll figure it out. I was joined today by Katherine

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Speaker 1: Martin and Kelly and this is one of my favorite

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Speaker 1: ones we've ever had. These stories are stupendous, So we're

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Speaker 1: just going to get right into it. Go to patreon

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Speaker 1: dot com slash Roz dres Fales for a bonus episode

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Speaker 1: and bonus little video of me this week. Check it

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Speaker 1: out link in the description. All right, time for some

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Speaker 1: listeners on with this show. Hello Katherine in Brooklyn, New York,

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Speaker 1: New York, United State. Dates. How are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh my god, Roz, it is such a dream come

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Speaker 3: true to be talking to you, Dah. You are an

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Speaker 3: icon in our household. Me, my husband, our rabbit, our

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Speaker 1: Everyone gathers around, all the animals. It's like snow white.

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Speaker 1: Well, I am so honored. And from what I read

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Speaker 1: from what you've set me, there's also a ghost in

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Speaker 3: What is up with that? Okay, So we moved here.

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Speaker 3: We've lived in this apartment for about five and a

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Speaker 3: And I started seeing this like woman, of course in

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Speaker 3: And our cat would always go over to this wall

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Speaker 1: But does that woman listen to my podcast? Very important?

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Speaker 3: So okay, so we have also seen we named this

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Speaker 1: So east hands are definitely his. I'm sorry, Oh you're right.

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Speaker 1: So it doesn't see what you guys are like, I mean,

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Speaker 3: No, I mean, so I don't allow I don't allow

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Speaker 3: A little bit. And you know, it's funny because, like

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Speaker 1: Sure, well, yeah, I'm sure that. Like, for example, if

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Speaker 1: So creepy. But yeah, okay, well, but this is not

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Speaker 3: So this is truly just the beginning. So my toddler

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Speaker 1: Yeah that goes so okay. That wore me out, but

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Speaker 3: To go one thousand percent. Like truly, it was just

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Speaker 1: No, yeah, do you know what the history was?

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Speaker 5: So I am a research queen, and.

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Speaker 1: Oh my god.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. And that how our house that we lived in

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Speaker 1: Weird.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And then this is just like a fun, little, fun,

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Speaker 1: Yeah okay, yeah, go ahead, he.

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Speaker 3: Got like pushed yes purposefully by a pedestrian.

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Speaker 4: Yes.

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Speaker 3: So she's actually from my tiny ass town in Indiana

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Speaker 3: so all of that, and so I looked. I started

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Speaker 3: And I couldn't find any other information until I found

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Speaker 3: Smith will not be accompanying her due to his absence

439
00:26:22,960 --> 00:26:26,400
Speaker 3: in the forests of Minnesota. And that was all it said.

440
00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 3: And then this German family moved in and they were

441
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:31,080
Speaker 3: the owners until the eighties.

442
00:26:31,200 --> 00:26:32,920
Speaker 1: I guess what does that mean?

443
00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:40,800
Speaker 3: So basically, mister Smith went hunting, well I'm assuming went

444
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:45,600
Speaker 3: hunting in the forests of Minnesota, got his got himself lost,

445
00:26:46,080 --> 00:26:49,240
Speaker 3: and never came back. And then when their daughter died,

446
00:26:49,320 --> 00:26:52,320
Speaker 3: the wife just moved up to Minnesota and left the house.

447
00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:59,000
Speaker 1: Ah. Yeah, his goes to somehow in the house.

448
00:26:59,640 --> 00:27:02,280
Speaker 3: Well, that's what I've wondered if like, because it's always

449
00:27:02,400 --> 00:27:05,600
Speaker 3: this presence is also always felt male. Like I've talked

450
00:27:05,600 --> 00:27:07,840
Speaker 3: to my brother about it, and then my baby brother

451
00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:10,359
Speaker 3: is he's you know, gotten older, and we've all agreed like, okay,

452
00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,520
Speaker 3: this this has always felt male. It's always felt like

453
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 3: it's always felt like a bully, is what it's felt like.

454
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,399
Speaker 3: Like Like at the same time that that like stuff

455
00:27:21,440 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 3: that was happening to us when we were asleep during

456
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:27,320
Speaker 3: the day, like we'd be watching family, we'd be watching

457
00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: TV as a family, and the channel this was back

458
00:27:31,040 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: in the days of cable, so the channel would change

459
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:36,680
Speaker 3: to like one of the non input channels, and it

460
00:27:36,720 --> 00:27:39,320
Speaker 3: would be all staticky, and then the volume would turn

461
00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:41,120
Speaker 3: all the way up, all on its own.

462
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:46,520
Speaker 1: Okay, that's mister W. C. Smith, right and so.

463
00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:49,800
Speaker 3: And then like the ceiling fans, So the ceilings are

464
00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,200
Speaker 3: you know, those high ass ceilings, and the ceiling fans

465
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:55,120
Speaker 3: were on those extension poles, and the ceiling fans would start.

466
00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:59,640
Speaker 1: Swinging terrifying, just a full on helicopter propeller on the loose.

467
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:05,199
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, so I so one time during one

468
00:28:05,240 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: of the TV episodes, I got really pissed because it

469
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:13,119
Speaker 3: felt like a bully, and so I got really pissed

470
00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 3: and I was like stop it really loud, and it

471
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:22,520
Speaker 3: stopped after that. But like, I don't know, things always

472
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,920
Speaker 3: just like have come and gone like that.

473
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:30,399
Speaker 1: That's why you can deal with the ghosts in your

474
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: Brooklyn apartment because.

475
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because I was traumatized as a child totally.

476
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:38,920
Speaker 1: Because I would be able to put up with the

477
00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:41,760
Speaker 1: greasy hands and the lady out of the corner in

478
00:28:41,800 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: my eye. Well, you know, I have to hop on

479
00:28:44,680 --> 00:28:47,880
Speaker 1: another call, but I thank you so much, and I

480
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: believe don't you have even other stories to tell?

481
00:28:51,000 --> 00:28:52,320
Speaker 3: I mean, I do.

482
00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to do this again sometime.

483
00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:59,440
Speaker 3: That would be so lovely. You were literally a huge

484
00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 3: light in our lives and we just love you.

485
00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 1: Love it.

486
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,240
Speaker 2: There's a ghost in my house.

487
00:29:13,960 --> 00:29:18,760
Speaker 1: I am now joined by Martin in Los Angeles, California.

488
00:29:19,240 --> 00:29:20,280
Speaker 1: How are you, Martin?

489
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:22,520
Speaker 4: I'm wonderful. Ross how are you?

490
00:29:23,000 --> 00:29:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm so good. Well, we just worked together.

491
00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:25,360
Speaker 2: I know you.

492
00:29:25,840 --> 00:29:26,640
Speaker 1: We work together.

493
00:29:27,280 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 2: You.

494
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:31,920
Speaker 1: I actually talked about it on the show. You are

495
00:29:32,080 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 1: the reason that I got to talk to Chris Pine

496
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:38,360
Speaker 1: about ghosts, because because you happened to be talking to

497
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,080
Speaker 1: Chris Pine about ghosts, which was very strange that that

498
00:29:41,640 --> 00:29:43,880
Speaker 1: that came up, because I wanted to talk to them

499
00:29:43,880 --> 00:29:45,520
Speaker 1: about it, but I didn't want to bring it up.

500
00:29:46,040 --> 00:29:49,840
Speaker 1: And then you spit on his lap like Harry Styles did.

501
00:29:50,040 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: No just kidding, did you see that? He went viral?

502
00:29:57,040 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 1: He was great. But then it turns out you've got

503
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,080
Speaker 1: some ghost stories.

504
00:30:02,200 --> 00:30:06,760
Speaker 4: So I have one specific ghost story, and I think

505
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:08,880
Speaker 4: I think the way, the way I talked to you

506
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,280
Speaker 4: about it was that I was never a huge believer

507
00:30:12,520 --> 00:30:17,200
Speaker 4: in ghosts. I've always been a believer that there are

508
00:30:20,400 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 4: forces that somehow communicate with you. I don't want to

509
00:30:24,280 --> 00:30:29,000
Speaker 4: sound even more crystally, but anyway, I'm not afraid of that.

510
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:30,040
Speaker 3: Well.

511
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 4: Well, the reason we got into the conversation with Chris

512
00:30:32,440 --> 00:30:35,040
Speaker 4: Pine was that that I was talking about a time

513
00:30:35,280 --> 00:30:37,440
Speaker 4: when I was like seven years old and I was

514
00:30:37,520 --> 00:30:42,480
Speaker 4: having a dream where I was choking on marshmallows and

515
00:30:43,000 --> 00:30:45,560
Speaker 4: I woke up and my pillow was in my mouth

516
00:30:46,160 --> 00:30:49,320
Speaker 4: and I couldn't breathe, and I was panicking, and I

517
00:30:49,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 4: kept sucking the pillow into my mouth more and I

518
00:30:52,440 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 4: was and I was I was basically dying and uh

519
00:30:56,720 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 4: and I was just like trump fighting and trying to

520
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 4: get this pillow out of my mouth and I couldn't

521
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 4: do it. And a voice, I heard a voice, and

522
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:09,480
Speaker 4: it said, let go. It'll be okay.

523
00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:09,920
Speaker 3: Let go.

524
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:11,960
Speaker 4: And I thought in my head, at seven years old,

525
00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:13,320
Speaker 4: I think, well, I guess I'm going to die now.

526
00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,840
Speaker 4: And so I stopped breathing. I went, I breathed out,

527
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:22,480
Speaker 4: and the pillow came out of my mouth and so

528
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,880
Speaker 4: this voice kind of saved my life. So that's where

529
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:26,800
Speaker 4: that's where the things started from. So I've always had

530
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:30,920
Speaker 4: like this sort of idea that there's you know, forces

531
00:31:31,080 --> 00:31:32,880
Speaker 4: or something out there, you know that talks to you.

532
00:31:33,680 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 1: A ghost was like a guardian angel or what do

533
00:31:37,440 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: you think that is?

534
00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, I kinda, yeah, I guess I would look at

535
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,560
Speaker 4: it that way, or you know, I don't know that

536
00:31:43,640 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 4: I'm quite that religious or anything. I don't know that

537
00:31:46,160 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 4: I associated with a religious thing, but yeah, a guardian

538
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,840
Speaker 4: of some sort. So that's how we got into the conversation.

539
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:56,280
Speaker 4: And then we got into the conversation about ghosts, and

540
00:31:56,560 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 4: I said, I never really I never really believed because

541
00:31:59,240 --> 00:32:02,560
Speaker 4: I never had an experience with that kind of phenomena

542
00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:06,440
Speaker 4: until I'm in Chicago in nineteen ninety four with three

543
00:32:06,520 --> 00:32:10,320
Speaker 4: of my friends and we had this swanky apartment in

544
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:13,280
Speaker 4: Boystown in Chicago, and it was a four bedroom, three

545
00:32:13,320 --> 00:32:17,920
Speaker 4: baths apartment. It was awesome, and one of the rooms

546
00:32:18,200 --> 00:32:21,600
Speaker 4: we had as a music room. And so one night,

547
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:25,160
Speaker 4: you know, as we are artists, we do stupid things

548
00:32:25,240 --> 00:32:27,600
Speaker 4: like sit around and sing songs on a piano and

549
00:32:27,640 --> 00:32:30,680
Speaker 4: stuff like that. And so my friend Kirkland was playing

550
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:35,600
Speaker 4: a song that and I said, oh, that's a pretty song,

551
00:32:35,720 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 4: and he's like, oh, I wrote this for my friend Stephen,

552
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:43,240
Speaker 4: who died some years before nineteen ninety four. So cut

553
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:49,280
Speaker 4: to I think the first incident was Deborah, Daryl, and

554
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 4: myself the other roommates were out on Halstead and we

555
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:54,960
Speaker 4: were going to get some pizza. So we called Kirkland.

556
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:56,560
Speaker 4: And this was before cell phone, so I think I'm

557
00:32:56,640 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 4: still used. I don't know how I got a hold

558
00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:02,040
Speaker 4: of him anyway, So we called him and and I said,

559
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 4: you know, you don't want to know your pizza, blah

560
00:33:03,720 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 4: blah blah. And then he goes, oh, who's with you?

561
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:08,440
Speaker 4: And I said, oh, it's me, Deborah and Darryl, and

562
00:33:08,480 --> 00:33:11,760
Speaker 4: he goes all of you. I said yeah, and he

563
00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:17,080
Speaker 4: goes okay and I and then we hung up. And

564
00:33:17,320 --> 00:33:19,000
Speaker 4: then when we got home, I asked him why did

565
00:33:19,080 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: you say that? And he goes, well, because there was

566
00:33:21,480 --> 00:33:23,440
Speaker 4: noise in here, and I just assumed it was one.

567
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,840
Speaker 1: Of y'all, or does somebody break in.

568
00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,640
Speaker 4: No, he just thought he thought he heard somebody rustling

569
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,560
Speaker 4: around in the house and it was like the thirteenth

570
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 4: floor of an apartment there's no way anybody could get

571
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 4: in there unless I guess spider Man. But so, uh

572
00:33:44,160 --> 00:33:49,000
Speaker 4: so that happened, and then then Kirkland. Kirkland was like,

573
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:54,000
Speaker 4: I can't find my check book and uh and we're

574
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:55,440
Speaker 4: all like, well, we don't touch your check I don't

575
00:33:55,440 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 4: even know where your check book is. Why would I know,

576
00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 4: you know? So he said, well I don't know. He said, well,

577
00:33:59,680 --> 00:34:02,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what you know. I don't understand. So

578
00:34:02,880 --> 00:34:04,480
Speaker 4: and then like a week later he found it and

579
00:34:04,560 --> 00:34:09,399
Speaker 4: it was in his medicine cabinet there and then yeah

580
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 4: and uh then uh then all this stuff started with Kirkland.

581
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,400
Speaker 4: And then Kirkland went into the He came to my

582
00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,320
Speaker 4: room one night and he's like, what you know what

583
00:34:19,440 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 4: you guys? Can you stop moving my coffee tree? My

584
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 4: coffee coffee mug tree?

585
00:34:30,160 --> 00:34:32,280
Speaker 1: Oh, like, are those things that you like hang coffee

586
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:32,680
Speaker 1: mugs on?

587
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,879
Speaker 4: Yes, thank you. I didn't know what it was either

588
00:34:34,920 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 4: at the time. I was like, coffee mug tree an'tone

589
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,480
Speaker 4: with a fuck a coffee tree? Why would I Why

590
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:42,279
Speaker 4: would I move it? So anyway, so he usually had

591
00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,200
Speaker 4: it on the side of the sink and it would

592
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:48,040
Speaker 4: move to the other side and none of us was

593
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:48,480
Speaker 4: moving it.

594
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,320
Speaker 1: So at what point did you guys go, Okay, this

595
00:34:51,440 --> 00:34:52,240
Speaker 1: might be a ghost.

596
00:34:54,800 --> 00:34:59,880
Speaker 4: The when it became obvious to us as something with

597
00:35:00,120 --> 00:35:02,200
Speaker 4: going on was when stuff started happening to all of us.

598
00:35:03,520 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 4: Like everything was centered around Kirkland, and Kirklin was like,

599
00:35:05,719 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 4: he's Kirklan's like the businessman type, he's you know, so

600
00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 4: him you know my checkbook And I was like, okay, whatever.

601
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 4: But then the rest of us started having stuff happen.

602
00:35:16,680 --> 00:35:20,799
Speaker 4: Like I was home one night and I kept hearing

603
00:35:20,880 --> 00:35:23,920
Speaker 4: someone's like like someone like, this is a big apartment.

604
00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 4: So like if my roommate, Debo, was on the other

605
00:35:27,200 --> 00:35:29,040
Speaker 4: side of the apartment, so if she yelled my name,

606
00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 4: I would hear it kind of off in the distance.

607
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:32,960
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. It wouldn't be loud, you know what I mean.

608
00:35:33,560 --> 00:35:36,400
Speaker 4: So I kept hearing someone calling my name, and so

609
00:35:36,600 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 4: I went to her room and I'm like what. She goes,

610
00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,799
Speaker 4: She's like, why, why, what's going on? I'm like, why

611
00:35:42,840 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 4: do you keep calling me? She goes, I haven't called you?

612
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 4: So that happened?

613
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:48,800
Speaker 1: Would you say me? Could you tell if it was

614
00:35:48,920 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 1: like a female voice or whatever.

615
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:53,200
Speaker 4: It sounded to me? Like it sounded to me like her.

616
00:35:54,520 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 4: Oh my god, like it sounded to like it sounded

617
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 4: like Deborah. That's why I went to her room. I mean,

618
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:00,680
Speaker 4: we were the only two people at the time, but

619
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: you know, it sounded like her. So that's why I

620
00:36:05,360 --> 00:36:06,719
Speaker 4: went to her room. And she said, that was not

621
00:36:06,840 --> 00:36:10,240
Speaker 4: yelling you. Great. Then one time I was home by myself.

622
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,400
Speaker 4: This was the weirdest thing that happened to me personally.

623
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:20,200
Speaker 4: I was in so our living room where the TV was,

624
00:36:20,400 --> 00:36:23,279
Speaker 4: and is on the opposite side of the apartment as well,

625
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 4: so that's on my side of the apartment. And then

626
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 4: there's a long galley walkway like a gallery like you

627
00:36:29,520 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 4: would have art there, Like I don't know how long

628
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:33,919
Speaker 4: it was, maybe twenty five feet. It was a huge

629
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,239
Speaker 4: apartment anyway, So, and then at the other end was

630
00:36:38,320 --> 00:36:41,239
Speaker 4: the kitchen and Deborah's room, and the kitchen was a

631
00:36:41,280 --> 00:36:46,080
Speaker 4: galley kitchen. So I was sitting there watching the TV,

632
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,800
Speaker 4: which would make the kitchen in my right peripheral vision.

633
00:36:51,000 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 4: And I was sitting there and I saw I saw

634
00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 4: something something walk from the kitchen to the back door

635
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 4: where all the garbage stuff was for people to pick up.

636
00:37:05,960 --> 00:37:08,000
Speaker 4: And I looked over and then there was nothing there.

637
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 4: So I'm like, okay, that's fine. I just a little something.

638
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,560
Speaker 4: And then I started watching TV again. It happened again.

639
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,520
Speaker 4: What and I was like, okay, I'm getting a little

640
00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:19,240
Speaker 4: weirded out.

641
00:37:22,040 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 3: Then.

642
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,120
Speaker 4: But I was like I walked down there, nothing was there.

643
00:37:26,200 --> 00:37:29,799
Speaker 4: You know, you know how you do? Uh, nothing was there.

644
00:37:29,840 --> 00:37:31,840
Speaker 4: Everything was fine. So then I got back to the

645
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 4: living room and I start watching television and then I

646
00:37:35,480 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 4: noticed something. Something's different over in my riper. It wasn't

647
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:42,759
Speaker 4: someone walking, but there was something different. So I turned

648
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:46,040
Speaker 4: and there's a light on and I go to the

649
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:52,439
Speaker 4: kitchen and the refrigerator door is open. Stop it, I know, right,

650
00:37:55,040 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 4: So I told I told, I told her, I told everybody.

651
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 4: It was like, this is kind of weird, as anybody

652
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,439
Speaker 4: else had weird shit happening into them. And my friend

653
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:04,759
Speaker 4: Daryl said, yeah, I was watching TV and the refrigerator

654
00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:07,759
Speaker 4: door was open, and I was like, that happened to me.

655
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:11,759
Speaker 1: That's when I don't pay the electric bill. Like a

656
00:38:11,840 --> 00:38:14,400
Speaker 1: ghost can do that because there's no consequences. They're not

657
00:38:14,440 --> 00:38:18,799
Speaker 1: going to be eating that food. Like that's exactly I'm sorry.

658
00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:21,840
Speaker 4: Well wait till I tell wait till I get to

659
00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:23,880
Speaker 4: the end of the story, because you're going to know

660
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:28,680
Speaker 4: why the refrigerator door was open. Okay, So then I

661
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:30,600
Speaker 4: talked to Debora and well, we were all talking together,

662
00:38:30,640 --> 00:38:33,080
Speaker 4: and Debra said, Okay, I wasn't gonna tell anybody because

663
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,799
Speaker 4: I thought this was too bizarre and I didn't want

664
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 4: to anything. I was stupid. But she was home one

665
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:44,200
Speaker 4: night by herself in her room and writing or reading

666
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 4: or something like that, and she had this music box

667
00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:56,759
Speaker 4: that was real old and was broken and it started playing.

668
00:38:57,360 --> 00:38:59,280
Speaker 1: Those are so creepy when those air play.

669
00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:03,360
Speaker 4: And she just blew it off, I guess, I mean,

670
00:39:03,400 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: she didn't blow it off, but she didn't tell us

671
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: about it. So we're all like thinking, like, what the

672
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,040
Speaker 4: fuck is happening, Like why is this happening? And we

673
00:39:12,120 --> 00:39:15,080
Speaker 4: were thinking and thinking and thinking, and we were just like, well,

674
00:39:15,640 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 4: you know, this all kind of started around that night

675
00:39:18,040 --> 00:39:21,040
Speaker 4: that we were, you know, singing music and stuff like that,

676
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 4: and Kirkland played this song for his friend Steven and

677
00:39:26,040 --> 00:39:30,839
Speaker 4: and he's like, We were all like, you know, maybe

678
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:35,399
Speaker 4: it's Steven, you know, maybe somehow we got him out

679
00:39:35,480 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 4: here again. And we started talking about yeah, and then

680
00:39:38,520 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: we started talking about, like, you know, the things that

681
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: were happening, and he was like, you know, he's like

682
00:39:42,840 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 4: Steven would always move my shit, and like I'd have

683
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 4: someplace that I kept my shit and he would move

684
00:39:49,719 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 4: it somewhere else and I wouldn't be able to find it.

685
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:55,879
Speaker 4: And then and he would always leave the refrigerator door,

686
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,400
Speaker 4: like he'd sit there with refrigerator door open, trying to

687
00:39:58,600 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 4: think of what he wanted to eat. Oh my god,

688
00:40:01,880 --> 00:40:04,200
Speaker 4: instead of thinking about what he wanted before we opened

689
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,759
Speaker 4: the door. And we were all like, yeah, it's him.

690
00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:10,480
Speaker 4: So we all decided that we were going to have

691
00:40:11,200 --> 00:40:13,920
Speaker 4: that We were going to uh not stage, but we

692
00:40:14,000 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 4: were going to go through all the whole house and

693
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,879
Speaker 4: all of us were going to say, Stephen, you're dead.

694
00:40:19,960 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 4: You need to move on to the next phase of

695
00:40:22,000 --> 00:40:24,520
Speaker 4: your life. We love you, and we we're glad you

696
00:40:24,640 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 4: visited us, but you need to move on to the

697
00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:30,000
Speaker 4: other side. And I kid you, not everything stopped.

698
00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:33,640
Speaker 1: Did you know him? You personally?

699
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 4: I did not know him. The only person that knew

700
00:40:36,680 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 4: him was.

701
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:41,320
Speaker 1: Kirkland and interesting, I want to know how the checkbook

702
00:40:41,440 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: got in the medicine cabinet.

703
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:46,799
Speaker 4: That's what he said. He said, that well, I mean,

704
00:40:47,239 --> 00:40:50,040
Speaker 4: Stephen would move shit around, just like move stuff.

705
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,080
Speaker 1: And how long did you guys live there before this

706
00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,200
Speaker 1: night that you guys were singing the song?

707
00:40:56,080 --> 00:40:57,960
Speaker 4: This was the first year that we lived there, but

708
00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,879
Speaker 4: it was well into that we moved there. We moved

709
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:05,640
Speaker 4: into that place in April of nineteen ninety four, and

710
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,360
Speaker 4: we moved out like April of nineteen ninety six, so

711
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:11,960
Speaker 4: it had to be like late ninety four, early ninety five.

712
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: Oh my god, this is a good story with a beginning,

713
00:41:17,080 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: a middle, and an end.

714
00:41:19,239 --> 00:41:21,120
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was. I mean, it was really kind of

715
00:41:21,200 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 4: this like that's what I mean, Like I I was

716
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:30,919
Speaker 4: not a believer, but that whole thing and the fact

717
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 4: that it affected all four of us, yeah, really, I

718
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:35,919
Speaker 4: mean it could have been I guess it could. Maybe

719
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 4: it was another spirit that was just being mischievous and

720
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,520
Speaker 4: acting like they were Stephen because we were talking about

721
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 4: I don't know, it's possible too, but just the specificity

722
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 4: of the things that Kirkland said he would do when

723
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 4: he was alive, and the things that happened to us

724
00:41:51,080 --> 00:41:54,400
Speaker 4: during this incident, you know, I don't I don't know

725
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 4: how because we never talked about it until afterward.

726
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,400
Speaker 1: You know, Oh he was like, you know, still be

727
00:42:01,520 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: in a roommate and like hanging out with his peers.

728
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:08,400
Speaker 4: That's kind of yeah, yeah, you know, we were. It

729
00:42:08,520 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 4: was we had a very like that apartment was very

730
00:42:11,840 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 4: full of like we just moved to Chicago because we

731
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 4: were all going to try and get in the Second

732
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,800
Speaker 4: City and all stuff. So it was filled with a

733
00:42:19,880 --> 00:42:27,280
Speaker 4: lot of excitement and a lot of joy, creativity, hope,

734
00:42:27,760 --> 00:42:29,800
Speaker 4: you know what I mean. And I think that I

735
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 4: think that in this happening, while we were all having

736
00:42:34,640 --> 00:42:37,520
Speaker 4: this good time singing and all that stuff, I think

737
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:40,160
Speaker 4: it kind of just maybe brought him in. Maybe he

738
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:44,040
Speaker 4: was needing that. I don't know, but yeah, it was.

739
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:47,279
Speaker 4: It was these were things that I could, like, I

740
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,080
Speaker 4: just could not explain. Wow, you know, I can't. I

741
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:55,759
Speaker 4: can't explain them away. And that's why I believe in ghosts. Now,

742
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:59,600
Speaker 4: I don't know that I I don't know that I

743
00:42:59,640 --> 00:43:04,960
Speaker 4: believe the ghostsert everywhere all the time. But I do

744
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,080
Speaker 4: think that there are spirits. And I almost have gone

745
00:43:09,120 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 4: back to that incident when I was that I told

746
00:43:11,160 --> 00:43:14,160
Speaker 4: you about when I was seven. I've almost gone back

747
00:43:14,200 --> 00:43:22,000
Speaker 4: to that and thought, hmmm, maybe a guardian spirit. You know,

748
00:43:22,160 --> 00:43:25,600
Speaker 4: maybe maybe there are people around me that have passed

749
00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 4: that are keeping me from you know, from harm.

750
00:43:31,440 --> 00:43:32,640
Speaker 1: Oh I totally believe that.

751
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:33,759
Speaker 4: Yeah.

752
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: But also it's interesting, like, you know, the traditional belief

753
00:43:38,800 --> 00:43:42,719
Speaker 1: of ghosts is someone dies in an area and then

754
00:43:42,800 --> 00:43:45,800
Speaker 1: they're stuck around in that area. But then when you

755
00:43:45,880 --> 00:43:50,440
Speaker 1: hear stories like this, it's like, yeah, they could I

756
00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: don't know, they could get conjured up and then just

757
00:43:52,800 --> 00:43:55,160
Speaker 1: kind of hang out until you tell them.

758
00:43:55,040 --> 00:43:58,279
Speaker 4: To leave, or be attached to a person. You know,

759
00:43:58,440 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 4: maybe he was very attached to Kirk.

760
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:01,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

761
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:03,520
Speaker 1: I wonder if you ever played that song ever.

762
00:44:03,520 --> 00:44:08,000
Speaker 4: Again that I don't know. We never played it again

763
00:44:08,080 --> 00:44:13,440
Speaker 4: in our house. Yeah, but yeah, yeah, it was. It

764
00:44:13,560 --> 00:44:16,040
Speaker 4: was very interesting. It was like this happened. This occurred

765
00:44:16,080 --> 00:44:18,840
Speaker 4: like over a few months, like all these things, damn.

766
00:44:19,480 --> 00:44:21,160
Speaker 4: And it took us a while to be like, oh

767
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 4: wait a minute, is anybody else having these you know,

768
00:44:24,719 --> 00:44:27,560
Speaker 4: m you know, because when you're happening to you, you're

769
00:44:27,640 --> 00:44:31,239
Speaker 4: kind of like, come on. But then when everybody else

770
00:44:31,360 --> 00:44:32,239
Speaker 4: was verifying it.

771
00:44:33,080 --> 00:44:35,560
Speaker 1: But when you say that you saw something in the kitchen,

772
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: do you was it? It was just out of the

773
00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: corner of your eye. Right, Like you didn't see actual

774
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 1: details of a person.

775
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:44,720
Speaker 4: No, it was like because it was dark in the kitchen,

776
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:47,279
Speaker 4: it was dark in that area. Yeah, but the thing

777
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 4: I saw was even darker than that, just like move.

778
00:44:50,560 --> 00:44:52,400
Speaker 4: But I could tell it was a person. It had

779
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:57,399
Speaker 4: a humanoid form, but it wasn't. It wasn't. There wasn't.

780
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 4: There weren't any details.

781
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:04,240
Speaker 1: WHOA Well, Martin, thank you so much for telling the story.

782
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,279
Speaker 4: Oh, thank you for having me. I'm glad to tell you.

783
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:09,840
Speaker 4: I love telling the story. It's my favorite.

784
00:45:17,400 --> 00:45:23,560
Speaker 1: I've been ghosted too, Kelly in New York City. How

785
00:45:23,640 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 1: are you?

786
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:25,640
Speaker 3: Hello, I'm doing well.

787
00:45:25,920 --> 00:45:27,440
Speaker 5: How are you. I'm happy with you.

788
00:45:28,520 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: I'm doing so great. I am really excited to hear

789
00:45:32,360 --> 00:45:38,439
Speaker 1: about this. Quite the tale you sent me, and yeah,

790
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:39,480
Speaker 1: let's hear about it.

791
00:45:40,360 --> 00:45:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah. I'm going to try to be as concise and

792
00:45:44,640 --> 00:45:47,560
Speaker 2: clear as I can. But it's a story that has

793
00:45:47,719 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 2: some twists and turns. Yeah, so just for clarity and

794
00:45:53,040 --> 00:45:56,560
Speaker 2: the sake of storytelling. It does have sort of two

795
00:45:56,640 --> 00:45:59,280
Speaker 2: parts to the story, one which takes place.

796
00:45:59,120 --> 00:46:00,760
Speaker 5: In two thousand and nine, and then.

797
00:46:02,120 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 2: A series of events in twenty nineteen which just sort

798
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,200
Speaker 2: of changed everything I understood about what I'd seen in

799
00:46:08,239 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 2: two thousand and nine. But yeah, so I was on

800
00:46:13,080 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 2: a Natural and Cultural ecology field study program based in Australia,

801
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,800
Speaker 2: which was an incredible study abroad experience.

802
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:21,680
Speaker 4: And.

803
00:46:23,560 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 2: We you know, so as part of this, we would

804
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 2: go on camping trips and just explore all the amazing

805
00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:31,640
Speaker 2: different environments.

806
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 5: That Australia has to offer.

807
00:46:33,120 --> 00:46:33,759
Speaker 3: And a.

808
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:40,360
Speaker 5: Handful of very generous Aboriginal elders.

809
00:46:41,239 --> 00:46:47,160
Speaker 2: Accompanied us on a camping trip in which we you know,

810
00:46:47,520 --> 00:46:49,880
Speaker 2: we were really just trying to disconnect and to be

811
00:46:50,040 --> 00:46:52,200
Speaker 2: present with the world and to learn a little bit

812
00:46:52,280 --> 00:46:56,000
Speaker 2: from them about, you know, their worldview and way of

813
00:46:56,080 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 2: seeing things. And so I think I was already sort

814
00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 2: of set up to be more in tune with things.

815
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: We weren't allowed to take, you know, cameras or cell

816
00:47:05,000 --> 00:47:08,640
Speaker 2: phones or even watches. So it was just really about

817
00:47:08,680 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 2: being present in the environment where we were.

818
00:47:12,480 --> 00:47:14,840
Speaker 1: Sis I could do that.

819
00:47:15,120 --> 00:47:16,759
Speaker 5: It was incredible, It was incredible.

820
00:47:18,160 --> 00:47:20,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, And you know, we had stopped on our way

821
00:47:20,880 --> 00:47:23,919
Speaker 2: at a coastline. And it's far enough in the past

822
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 2: now that I can't remember exactly the names of everywhere

823
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:29,640
Speaker 2: we went, but we had stopped at a coast and

824
00:47:30,080 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 2: you know, I it was irresponsible of me, and I

825
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:35,960
Speaker 2: knew that I wasn't supposed to like take anything like

826
00:47:36,080 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: shells or corals from the from the beach, but I couldn't.

827
00:47:40,400 --> 00:47:44,680
Speaker 2: I was naughty little twenty year old, and I took

828
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:46,680
Speaker 2: a coral and I had it in my bag.

829
00:47:46,680 --> 00:47:47,759
Speaker 5: I'd kind of forgotten about it.

830
00:47:48,640 --> 00:47:50,400
Speaker 2: But yeah, at night, we would just sort of, you know,

831
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:56,279
Speaker 2: sit around, we would have a fire and they, you know,

832
00:47:56,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: the elders would share with us of you know, not

833
00:47:59,600 --> 00:48:02,719
Speaker 2: the Eastern Treek stories that are that we weren't allowed

834
00:48:02,719 --> 00:48:05,080
Speaker 2: to hear, but you know, some of their dream time

835
00:48:05,160 --> 00:48:08,560
Speaker 2: stories that you know, we were allowed to share with us.

836
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,360
Speaker 2: And you know, I think one of the main things,

837
00:48:11,640 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 2: and I can't speak for their cosmology, but one of

838
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:15,640
Speaker 2: the main things that stood out to me and learning

839
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:19,120
Speaker 2: from them was just this real sense that the lines

840
00:48:19,200 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 2: between man, nature and dividity are much more fluid than

841
00:48:23,080 --> 00:48:25,080
Speaker 2: you know, the cultural background that I come from.

842
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:27,480
Speaker 5: And so I was very enchanted by all of that.

843
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:31,960
Speaker 2: And so, yeah, they would tell us stories from the

844
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:35,839
Speaker 2: dream time and you know, just about various how why

845
00:48:35,880 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 2: the why the crow is black or you know, why the.

846
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:43,160
Speaker 5: You know, just various stories to explain things about the

847
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 5: ecology of the world.

848
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,560
Speaker 1: And so when they say, like don't take any shells

849
00:48:48,640 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: or coral or whatever, was that for a reason like

850
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,640
Speaker 1: that or that was There were a lot.

851
00:48:53,600 --> 00:48:57,319
Speaker 2: Of stories that they would share about you know, there

852
00:48:57,360 --> 00:48:59,840
Speaker 2: are certain spirits and like I said, I can't speak

853
00:49:00,120 --> 00:49:04,759
Speaker 2: or for the worldview because I am I'm naive and

854
00:49:04,920 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 2: I'm not a.

855
00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:05,719
Speaker 5: Part of it.

856
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,720
Speaker 2: But from what I gathered, it's you know, there's certain

857
00:49:11,280 --> 00:49:13,919
Speaker 2: rules about how you just relate to the natural world.

858
00:49:14,840 --> 00:49:17,480
Speaker 2: Amongst them being you know, there were I remember one.

859
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:18,520
Speaker 5: Story that stood out to me.

860
00:49:18,560 --> 00:49:21,879
Speaker 2: It was about water water holes were only women were

861
00:49:21,880 --> 00:49:24,960
Speaker 2: allowed to swim that you know, we're sort of protected

862
00:49:25,000 --> 00:49:27,439
Speaker 2: and if if a man or were to go into

863
00:49:27,520 --> 00:49:30,400
Speaker 2: that watering hole, there might be some type of spirit

864
00:49:30,560 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 2: entity that came and sort of protected the water. There's

865
00:49:36,200 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 2: there's just there are a lot of rules but that

866
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,040
Speaker 2: have been developed over you know, so many years of

867
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,600
Speaker 2: of the evolution of culture and nature together which have

868
00:49:45,760 --> 00:49:48,520
Speaker 2: worked to support healthy relationships between.

869
00:49:48,239 --> 00:49:49,440
Speaker 5: Man and the environment.

870
00:49:50,360 --> 00:49:52,959
Speaker 2: So I think among them, I don't know what maybe

871
00:49:53,560 --> 00:49:58,359
Speaker 2: the if there was a deeper ecological purpose, but yeah,

872
00:49:58,520 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: they're also there are different like territories that would be

873
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 2: aligned with, you know, different groups of people, and you

874
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:09,440
Speaker 2: weren't necessarily supposed to take shells or corals from one

875
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 2: area and relocate them to another.

876
00:50:12,000 --> 00:50:12,920
Speaker 4: Got it? Okay?

877
00:50:13,040 --> 00:50:16,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, anyway, I'm sort of chripping over my words just

878
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 2: because I don't want to act like an authority on

879
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 2: things that I'm not.

880
00:50:18,640 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 5: But from what I what I've learned, these are the bits.

881
00:50:21,280 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: I gleaned right right right now, I get it.

882
00:50:23,760 --> 00:50:27,120
Speaker 2: But anyway, so I went to bed that night and

883
00:50:27,800 --> 00:50:30,839
Speaker 2: I just had the most vivid dream I've ever had

884
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,319
Speaker 2: in my life with from it was just this water

885
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,680
Speaker 2: that was like swirling and pooling in everybody that I

886
00:50:38,800 --> 00:50:41,480
Speaker 2: was studying with, and just this very dramatic dream and

887
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 2: the water started taking the form of all of these

888
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,960
Speaker 2: different creatures. And you know, I wouldn't be surprising to

889
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,560
Speaker 2: have a dream like that after being exposed to these

890
00:50:49,600 --> 00:50:55,279
Speaker 2: amazing stories and myths, so that in itself wasn't you know, surprising.

891
00:50:55,400 --> 00:50:58,400
Speaker 2: But I woke up from this dream and there was

892
00:50:58,480 --> 00:51:01,160
Speaker 2: this figure standing outside of my tent, and at first

893
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:02,719
Speaker 2: I thought that it was just one of the other

894
00:51:02,840 --> 00:51:04,440
Speaker 2: kids that I studied with. You know, there were only

895
00:51:04,520 --> 00:51:07,640
Speaker 2: a few, uh, you know, there are only it was

896
00:51:07,760 --> 00:51:09,920
Speaker 2: mostly girls.

897
00:51:09,640 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 5: On the trip. So I saw this man standing outside

898
00:51:12,200 --> 00:51:14,200
Speaker 5: my tent and I was like, oh, is that like Steve?

899
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 4: Is that you know?

900
00:51:15,440 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 2: I was trying to figure out who it was and

901
00:51:19,160 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: also just checking to make sure that I was awake,

902
00:51:21,080 --> 00:51:23,479
Speaker 2: you know, pinching myself and saying, my name is Kelly.

903
00:51:23,560 --> 00:51:24,440
Speaker 5: I'm in Australia.

904
00:51:24,640 --> 00:51:25,440
Speaker 3: This is what I'm doing.

905
00:51:25,600 --> 00:51:29,080
Speaker 2: Like, I was awake and I saw this thing, and

906
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:31,240
Speaker 2: the more I looked at it, you know, I wasn't

907
00:51:31,560 --> 00:51:32,680
Speaker 2: I wasn't scared at all.

908
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:34,040
Speaker 5: I was more just curious.

909
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:37,920
Speaker 2: And as I looked at it, I realized that it

910
00:51:38,040 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 2: wasn't actually a solid form, but it it almost had

911
00:51:41,280 --> 00:51:44,319
Speaker 2: the appearance, if you know, a full moon were coming

912
00:51:44,400 --> 00:51:48,920
Speaker 2: through the leaves and creating a really convincing form that

913
00:51:49,040 --> 00:51:50,000
Speaker 2: your mind might be playing a.

914
00:51:50,000 --> 00:51:50,400
Speaker 5: Trick on you.

915
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,160
Speaker 2: So I thought, Okay, well, maybe this is just the

916
00:51:52,280 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 2: moon coming through some leaves. But then I continued to

917
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:59,640
Speaker 2: look at it and it was well, one, there was

918
00:51:59,760 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 2: no moon. There was no bright moon in the sky

919
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:06,120
Speaker 2: that night, you know, might have been a little sliver.

920
00:52:06,960 --> 00:52:10,560
Speaker 2: But also we were the area where we were camping,

921
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 2: you know, there were some eucalyptus trees, but they were

922
00:52:13,400 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 2: very sparse and there was no there was no tree

923
00:52:17,040 --> 00:52:19,120
Speaker 2: above my tent that might be casting these shadows.

924
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:21,759
Speaker 3: And so as I continued to.

925
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:23,879
Speaker 2: Look at it, I just noticed that also it wasn't

926
00:52:24,640 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 2: it wasn't shadow, but it was like emitting light, like

927
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:32,120
Speaker 2: the light was coming from it. And so I, yeah,

928
00:52:32,200 --> 00:52:34,880
Speaker 2: spent some time laying there just trying to get to

929
00:52:34,880 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 2: the bottom of what this thing is I might be

930
00:52:36,520 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 2: looking at, and eventually just let myself fall back asleep,

931
00:52:40,680 --> 00:52:41,080
Speaker 2: and in.

932
00:52:41,120 --> 00:52:41,879
Speaker 3: The morning.

933
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,800
Speaker 5: I asked some I asked one of our elders.

934
00:52:46,440 --> 00:52:48,719
Speaker 2: And gods, you know, like this crazy thing happened to

935
00:52:48,800 --> 00:52:52,200
Speaker 2: me last night, and they did ask me, you know, well,

936
00:52:52,560 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 2: have you taken anything from any of the places that

937
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 2: we've stopped, Like, have you have you moved any any piece.

938
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:00,800
Speaker 3: Of these of nature.

939
00:53:01,800 --> 00:53:03,360
Speaker 5: I forget exactly how I asked.

940
00:53:03,160 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, I was like, you know, I did take

941
00:53:06,000 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 2: this coral and he was like, oh, you know, like

942
00:53:09,239 --> 00:53:11,840
Speaker 2: of course that explains the dream about the water. You know,

943
00:53:12,120 --> 00:53:14,840
Speaker 2: when you do that sort of thing, this, you know,

944
00:53:15,200 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 2: some representative of the territory. The people that I had

945
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 2: taken that from came back to retrieve the coral.

946
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:23,840
Speaker 5: And I was like, oh my gosh. I mean, in

947
00:53:23,960 --> 00:53:26,280
Speaker 5: some ways, I will say it like did slightly encourage

948
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:28,800
Speaker 5: me to want to do more irresponsible things because I

949
00:53:28,960 --> 00:53:30,520
Speaker 5: was like, I want to see what else I can see?

950
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 5: But no, definitely I was called out.

951
00:53:33,880 --> 00:53:37,839
Speaker 1: For sure, and damn it was like tapping its foot

952
00:53:37,920 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 1: like I believe you have something that belongs to us.

953
00:53:40,800 --> 00:53:42,920
Speaker 2: I mean, that's what it sounds like. And you know,

954
00:53:44,320 --> 00:53:48,880
Speaker 2: it makes sense. It all made sense, and he totally.

955
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:50,600
Speaker 2: It was like the first thing that they that he

956
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 2: asked of me. But I will say, and to me,

957
00:53:54,840 --> 00:53:59,200
Speaker 2: you know what, what just I had forgotten about this

958
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 2: sort of for you. And then in twenty nineteen, my

959
00:54:04,040 --> 00:54:05,040
Speaker 2: little brother passed.

960
00:54:04,760 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 1: Away, So what happened to the coral?

961
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:09,240
Speaker 3: Oh? Well, then we drove again.

962
00:54:09,120 --> 00:54:10,839
Speaker 5: And when we got back to that area, I threw

963
00:54:10,880 --> 00:54:16,440
Speaker 5: it out the bus window. But this is the thing

964
00:54:16,520 --> 00:54:17,400
Speaker 5: that to me is crazy.

965
00:54:17,560 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 2: You know, I might be I might you know, be

966
00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:24,160
Speaker 2: reading into things and making connections where they don't exist.

967
00:54:24,239 --> 00:54:28,560
Speaker 2: But I then ten years later, in twenty nineteen, I'd

968
00:54:28,600 --> 00:54:31,600
Speaker 2: totally forgotten about this, and my younger brother passes away tragically,

969
00:54:31,760 --> 00:54:34,360
Speaker 2: and you know, I'm at home with my parents and

970
00:54:34,400 --> 00:54:39,480
Speaker 2: I'm mourning and as many people have, you know, signs

971
00:54:39,880 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 2: or symbols from loved ones who passed away, this incredible

972
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: rainbow appeared in the sky blah blah blah.

973
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 5: So I took a picture of this rainbow. It was

974
00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,400
Speaker 5: very significant to me.

975
00:54:50,480 --> 00:54:52,239
Speaker 2: And when I posted it on my Instagram, a friend

976
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 2: of mine who had been in Australia with me, commented, oh,

977
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,239
Speaker 2: like the rainbow serpent, which was one of the.

978
00:54:57,920 --> 00:54:59,839
Speaker 5: Things that we learned about from our elders over there.

979
00:55:00,000 --> 00:55:02,719
Speaker 5: And when she said that, it just brought back this

980
00:55:02,840 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 5: memory of that time.

981
00:55:04,080 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 2: And I went into my little brother's room and he

982
00:55:08,760 --> 00:55:10,640
Speaker 2: didn't have many things on the wall of his room,

983
00:55:10,680 --> 00:55:12,840
Speaker 2: but he still had a note that I had written

984
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,840
Speaker 2: him during that trip I had taken to Australia, and

985
00:55:16,680 --> 00:55:19,480
Speaker 2: with it he had a boomerang that I had painted

986
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:21,280
Speaker 2: of the rainbow serpent.

987
00:55:21,400 --> 00:55:23,520
Speaker 5: And I was like, wow, Like ten years later he

988
00:55:23,600 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 5: had this.

989
00:55:23,880 --> 00:55:25,800
Speaker 2: On the wall. And when I read that note and

990
00:55:25,840 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 2: looked at the date he had written that note to me,

991
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 2: ten years to the day before the day that he

992
00:55:33,800 --> 00:55:35,759
Speaker 2: I had written that note to him, I'm sorry, ten

993
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:37,919
Speaker 2: years to the day before the day that he passed away,

994
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 2: and I'm like, well, this is it's sort of like

995
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 2: an I was just feeling this sense of coincidence and

996
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 2: I'm thinking about that spirit that I had seen, and

997
00:55:46,120 --> 00:55:48,120
Speaker 2: so I went back to my journal. We kept meticulous

998
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: journals on our trip, like field journals. And when I

999
00:55:52,120 --> 00:55:54,200
Speaker 2: went back to look for the entry the night that

1000
00:55:54,600 --> 00:55:58,200
Speaker 2: I wrote in my journal about seeing the spirit, that

1001
00:55:58,520 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 2: I had seen that spirit to the day ten years

1002
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,480
Speaker 2: before of when my brother passed. And so the more

1003
00:56:06,560 --> 00:56:08,880
Speaker 2: that I like looked into this journal and the connections

1004
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 2: to the experiences that I was having, then like I

1005
00:56:13,160 --> 00:56:15,400
Speaker 2: turned so that you know, I was just doing this

1006
00:56:16,160 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 2: research work and going through it and you know, really

1007
00:56:20,280 --> 00:56:22,479
Speaker 2: digging into my brain about like is this real?

1008
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:25,200
Speaker 5: Is am I just creating connections that aren't there?

1009
00:56:25,760 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 2: And you know, for the most part, this journal was

1010
00:56:28,000 --> 00:56:30,719
Speaker 2: very We were also taking notes on ecology, so we

1011
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:33,839
Speaker 2: were doing a lot of you know, more scientific note

1012
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:37,839
Speaker 2: taking about various plants and animals and all that sort

1013
00:56:37,880 --> 00:56:42,840
Speaker 2: of thing. And so I this by now it was

1014
00:56:42,920 --> 00:56:45,920
Speaker 2: probably like, let's say, my brother passed away on the

1015
00:56:45,960 --> 00:56:49,000
Speaker 2: eighth of March, so I had written about seeing the

1016
00:56:49,000 --> 00:56:50,759
Speaker 2: spirit March eighth, two thousand.

1017
00:56:50,440 --> 00:56:52,000
Speaker 5: And nine I turned.

1018
00:56:52,080 --> 00:56:53,520
Speaker 2: Then by the time I was reading all this, it

1019
00:56:53,600 --> 00:56:57,480
Speaker 2: was probably March fifteenth, So I decided to turn to

1020
00:56:57,560 --> 00:57:01,120
Speaker 2: March fifteenth in my journal. And it was so strange

1021
00:57:01,200 --> 00:57:03,800
Speaker 2: because every other day in that journal it was like,

1022
00:57:04,400 --> 00:57:06,640
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, an entry about the spirit, but also

1023
00:57:06,960 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: this meticulous note taking, and on that page I had just,

1024
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,959
Speaker 2: for some reason I don't remember doing, colored the entire

1025
00:57:14,080 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 2: thing and like pastel rainbow and written everything is real.

1026
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 5: And this was like right as I was digging into

1027
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:25,280
Speaker 5: this being and feeling like is any of this real?

1028
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,960
Speaker 5: And somehow, on the day I was looking at it

1029
00:57:28,040 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 5: ten years before, I had just written this little note

1030
00:57:30,560 --> 00:57:31,080
Speaker 5: to myself.

1031
00:57:31,200 --> 00:57:36,560
Speaker 2: And so I mean, while the initial explanation of somebody

1032
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:40,520
Speaker 2: coming back to retrieve a quarrel makes sense somehow, also

1033
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:43,600
Speaker 2: to me I had this whole new, strange vision of like,

1034
00:57:44,360 --> 00:57:47,640
Speaker 2: is there somehow like is it possible that that was.

1035
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:51,840
Speaker 5: Him somehow coming to see me? And then this note

1036
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:55,280
Speaker 5: that I had left on his on his wall, or

1037
00:57:55,360 --> 00:57:56,040
Speaker 5: that he had left on.

1038
00:57:56,080 --> 00:57:58,200
Speaker 2: The wall that I had written him for all those years,

1039
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,680
Speaker 2: was also some way of him like communicating or winking

1040
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:02,640
Speaker 2: at me that that was.

1041
00:58:03,400 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 5: That that was him. I really don't know, but at

1042
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:10,280
Speaker 5: the time, it all just it felt beyond coincidence. It

1043
00:58:10,360 --> 00:58:13,160
Speaker 5: all just felt beyond coincidence. And you know, I don't

1044
00:58:13,200 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 5: know how time works, and I I don't know if

1045
00:58:16,800 --> 00:58:18,000
Speaker 5: that would be possible, but.

1046
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:21,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I never would have thought when I first

1047
00:58:21,440 --> 00:58:23,640
Speaker 2: saw that thing standing outside that that.

1048
00:58:23,840 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: Was you know, my little brother. But to think back

1049
00:58:27,600 --> 00:58:30,520
Speaker 5: on it, could that have been you know, him when

1050
00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:33,720
Speaker 5: he was twenty four instead of fourteen. Like maybe it's

1051
00:58:33,760 --> 00:58:35,080
Speaker 5: hard for me to say now because I.

1052
00:58:35,360 --> 00:58:38,880
Speaker 2: Can't I can't look at it again, but yeah, so

1053
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:41,280
Speaker 2: it takes it sort of gave me a sense of

1054
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:44,000
Speaker 2: peace and that grief too, and I I did sort

1055
00:58:44,040 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: of allow myself to believe that.

1056
00:58:45,800 --> 00:58:46,760
Speaker 3: That that might have been him.

1057
00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:51,800
Speaker 1: Wow, yeah, that is like so my mind is like

1058
00:58:51,960 --> 00:58:52,680
Speaker 1: so blown.

1059
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:54,800
Speaker 3: But I know it's a lot.

1060
00:58:55,040 --> 00:58:57,479
Speaker 2: It's like complex, and I think if if you weren't

1061
00:58:57,520 --> 00:59:00,320
Speaker 2: there with me, as I got like go through this journal,

1062
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,200
Speaker 2: it all seems very like disconnected.

1063
00:59:02,320 --> 00:59:08,520
Speaker 5: But it really was just the this this note on

1064
00:59:08,760 --> 00:59:09,720
Speaker 5: his bedroom wall.

1065
00:59:09,600 --> 00:59:12,640
Speaker 2: Felt like his final, my final connection to him. And

1066
00:59:12,720 --> 00:59:15,320
Speaker 2: then as I just unraveled the timing, it just all

1067
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,680
Speaker 2: seemed so crazy that it was like ten years to

1068
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:25,480
Speaker 2: the day and and yeah, nothing like that has ever happened. Again,

1069
00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:28,200
Speaker 2: I couldn't explain it, but yeah, and then just it

1070
00:59:28,280 --> 00:59:30,560
Speaker 2: also felt like it just felt like notes to myself

1071
00:59:30,640 --> 00:59:33,320
Speaker 2: in the past in the future that then I'm I'm like, okay,

1072
00:59:33,480 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 2: this this all feels convincing.

1073
00:59:35,040 --> 00:59:35,880
Speaker 3: To me, but is it real?

1074
00:59:36,080 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: And then I flipped to that day and it's just

1075
00:59:38,480 --> 00:59:41,840
Speaker 2: this this deliberate message that says everything is real.

1076
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:47,120
Speaker 1: And I'm like, what, God, Yeah, that is so wild.

1077
00:59:47,720 --> 00:59:51,520
Speaker 1: I mean, I absolutely believe that that could be an

1078
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,840
Speaker 1: explanation for that. I mean, I've heard so many stories

1079
00:59:54,880 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 1: that are really bring into question the idea of time

1080
01:00:01,200 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 1: and space and how it can all get twisted around

1081
01:00:06,160 --> 01:00:10,320
Speaker 1: or be signs from the future or yeah, I don't know,

1082
01:00:11,160 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: it's a beautiful story. Either way, it's like, that's like

1083
01:00:13,880 --> 01:00:15,000
Speaker 1: such a gorgeous story.

1084
01:00:16,480 --> 01:00:18,560
Speaker 5: Well, yeah, I had never thought of things that way, but.

1085
01:00:20,880 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I don't know if it's.

1086
01:00:23,760 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 2: If it's comforting or disturbing, like to think about messages

1087
01:00:30,360 --> 01:00:36,680
Speaker 2: from the future, but in some ways it is comforting

1088
01:00:36,800 --> 01:00:39,200
Speaker 2: to know that, like if that were him, that you

1089
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,560
Speaker 2: know his spirit lives on and that there is something

1090
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 2: something waiting for us on the other side, whatever it

1091
01:00:45,600 --> 01:00:45,840
Speaker 2: might be.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I remember there was a story early on

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Speaker 1: in Ghostead that was told to me by this comedian

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Speaker 1: actress Jilly, and she was saying that she had an

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Speaker 1: experience where she's saw a little toddler and then like

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Speaker 1: later her sister had a little boy and it like

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Speaker 1: looked she realized that that was him a couple of

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Speaker 1: years ago, that like the ghosts that she had seen

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Speaker 1: of this little toddler was like actually him from the future,

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Speaker 1: like going back in the past like it. Stuff like that.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, it happens. Yeah, so I think that's what it was.

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Speaker 2: But you know, both of them are are nice things

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Speaker 2: to believe, So yeah, get it to the mystery of

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Speaker 2: the universe what it really was.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, well, Kelly, I so appreciate you telling me this story.

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Speaker 1: I love to thank you so much.

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Speaker 5: I hope I didn't ramble on too much. It's it's

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Speaker 5: a lot of twists and turns, but no, oh.

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Speaker 1: My god, it's perfect. Thank you so much to Catherine

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Speaker 1: Martin and Kelly Hey. That could be email me at

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Speaker 1: ghosted by roz at gmail dot com with the subject line, listener, episode,

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Speaker 1: and some bullet points of what your ghost stories are

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Speaker 1: about or an alien story, or a bigfoot or a

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Speaker 1: near death experience, or any of that kind of shit.

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Speaker 1: I want to talk to you about it. Hey, you

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Speaker 1: subscribe to the show, Please subscribe, Follow it, Rate it

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Speaker 1: five stars on Spotify Apple podcasts. Leave me a nice

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Speaker 1: review on Apple Podcasts. Leave it. You can leave a

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Speaker 1: ghost story for me to read on the show in

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Speaker 1: a five star review on Apple Podcasts. My Patreon link

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Speaker 1: is in the description of this episode. Okay, I will

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Speaker 1: talk to you next week. I hope you're enjoying your

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Speaker 1: Halloween season. I love you all, both living and dead.

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Speaker 1: But if I didn't ask you to haunt me, don't

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Speaker 1: haunt me. Came back.

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Speaker 5: Star bands are

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