Speaker 1: Who's that knocking at the door. It's all your friends.
Speaker 1: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books
Speaker 1: and a bottle of wine to kill. It's Hollywood, it's books,
Speaker 1: it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini. Celebrity Book Club,
Speaker 1: Read it while it's hot.
Speaker 2: Celebrity poop Club. Tell your secrets.
Speaker 1: We won't talk celebrity books.
Speaker 3: No boys are a loud celebrity book say it loud
Speaker 3: and cloud Celebrity book Club.
Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe. Hi boss friend,
Speaker 2: what's upstairs?
Speaker 1: What's up your fucking bitch?
Speaker 2: Like? And not much but everything. I'm like, so busy.
Speaker 2: I'm so busy. Looks so fucking glamorous today.
Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm just trying to keep it low key
Speaker 1: but high key for the office and be appropriate but sexy.
Speaker 2: I love how you're pairing a vintage prep Pulo Ralph
Speaker 2: Lauren double RL country belt with a little kind of
Speaker 2: totally like cool chain with Island cheapies and like a
Speaker 2: glam acoust top.
Speaker 1: That's ti.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's high Hello, but what's up with you? I'm exhausted,
Speaker 2: I'm so busy. I was out of so many events
Speaker 2: last night.
Speaker 1: I actually felt so spoiler alert Rachel, so coming to
Speaker 1: our place of work today because I drove your butted
Speaker 1: has on to fit here from the traffic was absolutely
Speaker 1: in soon and it was just like the Midtown Tunnel
Speaker 1: is most insane contraption ever engineered.
Speaker 2: Wait, sorry, bebe before it gets like warm. Yeah, good
Speaker 2: conversation always goes best over chilled bubbling.
Speaker 1: Oh, that's an amazing because it's the tiniest bottle of
Speaker 1: MOI amazing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just like actually had them left over
Speaker 2: from an event.
Speaker 1: Oh, were you doing an event at home? Are you
Speaker 1: doing an event at your workspace? Which is actually the
Speaker 1: same thing.
Speaker 2: I was doing an event workspace, And it's always good
Speaker 2: to have if you're having ten people over order for fifteen.
Speaker 2: So of course, yeah, I had ton of these really
Speaker 2: cute and Mowa mini bottles to give out his gifts.
Speaker 1: Mini bottles are so fun because you're so generous because
Speaker 1: everybody gets their own individual.
Speaker 2: Believe you're not fighting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing worse than girls fighting over a bottle
Speaker 1: of champagne.
Speaker 2: And it's just a little accents that make you feel
Speaker 2: welcome at an event.
Speaker 1: So just what did that rent you? What is a
Speaker 1: mini bottle of moeut run?
Speaker 2: To be perfectly honest, I did buy this in mentim
Speaker 2: for recording when you said you were late. This is
Speaker 2: twenty for one bottle twenty for a while, and then
Speaker 2: I was like, what's the big bottle and he was
Speaker 2: like seventy nine.
Speaker 1: I was like like, that's fucking random.
Speaker 2: That's fucking random. But I was also like, these mini
Speaker 2: balls are so shit.
Speaker 1: So here's the thing, because it's like, by the end
Speaker 1: of a bottle of champagne, it's not fizzy anymore. And
Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, what's the point, literally, what's the point?
Speaker 1: So just get mini's?
Speaker 2: Can I ask our engineer, would you like a little splash?
Speaker 2: I felt so, But he.
Speaker 1: Is getting naughty, all right, ladies, wow, And this is
Speaker 1: the perfect amount for three people, one bottle, three girls,
Speaker 1: and then we'll open another one in like okay, okay,
Speaker 1: cheer cheers to Midtown to Midtown.
Speaker 2: No, the bubbles are that's not bad, not bad at all.
Speaker 1: I mean Moe does a great classic classic standard. It
Speaker 1: gets the job done. It's light, it's got those citrus
Speaker 1: notes on the back, it's a little bit of rosemary so.
Speaker 2: Much champagne, this headache, and a bottle I find.
Speaker 1: I couldn't agree more.
Speaker 2: Right, Okay, babe, let's just get fucking into it. Like
Speaker 2: I don't how much time I have, so many evens tonight.
Speaker 1: This is hell week for me and I need all
Speaker 1: hands on deck. Who are we talking about?
Speaker 2: Obviously obviously we've already said her name we were talking about, yes,
Speaker 2: I just found it today or co worker at my heart.
Speaker 1: She has a podcast which I'm sure you haven't heard.
Speaker 1: She is the inventor of a decade to call the
Speaker 1: two thousands.
Speaker 2: She literally invented metallic flats, hobo bags, oversized sunglasses, the.
Speaker 1: Store kits, and Misha Barton paraceltics.
Speaker 2: Jennifer Garner, Sol mahay X, Lindsey fucking low Hands.
Speaker 1: Probably one of the most prominent, not the most, like
Speaker 1: prominent stylist. I would say, like, of all time.
Speaker 2: You think stylists, you think it's so funny if you
Speaker 2: went to Miriam dash, Webster, Dot fucking Calm and after
Speaker 2: you were looking up the word dishy where you found
Speaker 2: the definition is us and you headed over to stylist.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm sure there would be a sentence also pulled
Speaker 1: in The New York Times about how Rachel Zoe is
Speaker 1: a stylist is the Stars, Yeah, of course we're talking
Speaker 1: about none other than.
Speaker 2: Rachel Zoe and Harbuck Style.
Speaker 1: The Art of Fashion, Beauty and Everything Glamour by Rachel
Speaker 1: Zoe with Rose Appadocca.
Speaker 2: Huge blurb on the front from none other than Nina
Speaker 2: Garcia of l and Project Frontway.
Speaker 1: Oh mine doesn't have a blurbarde Oh.
Speaker 2: And it says a great god for personal style, Thank
Speaker 2: you Nina.
Speaker 1: Oh mine has stuff on the back. Oh has that
Speaker 1: thing from Nina. And it also has a quote from
Speaker 1: Live Tyler. I think it's important to allow yourself this
Speaker 1: lift tire us. It's more baby. I think it's important, but.
Speaker 2: It's it's it is a little baby like. It's it's
Speaker 2: Paige rox Manning is coming to Umpire Records tonight.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's good. It's pillowy, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: It's like and Rachel's so good at that. She helps
Speaker 1: bring out your inner style by guiding you through looks
Speaker 1: that drop from the classics but are also so modern
Speaker 1: in every way. She's taught me so much about the
Speaker 1: power of accessories too. I always have so much homeworker there.
Speaker 1: And if there's one thing that she knows, it's the
Speaker 1: power of accessories.
Speaker 2: First off, in this book, it blew my mind. You know,
Speaker 2: some people say start dressing from the shoes. Some people
Speaker 2: say start dressing from you know, the dress, or you know.
Speaker 1: I usually start with pants, but sometimes I'm turning with
Speaker 1: like a pants shoe combo. And then of course everything
Speaker 1: changes six times and.
Speaker 2: Right, and then it's tops everywhere, And honestly, I usually
Speaker 2: start from the top.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's so interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, but Rachel Zoe says start from accessories.
Speaker 1: Because she's an insane accessories sound all right, should we
Speaker 1: do an accessories check because people kind of dressed.
Speaker 2: Up for us, like kind of the whole outfit and accessories.
Speaker 2: But okay, and you know, if we're talking about the way,
Speaker 2: she also says like men should success arise. It's always
Speaker 2: like simple and strong and rugged and like shouldn't be
Speaker 2: too glam.
Speaker 1: But it's also like she's so aware where like a
Speaker 1: silver because she's.
Speaker 2: Like, I love when my six rings and they're so
Speaker 2: cheesy and she's like, I love my husband. No husband,
Speaker 2: Roger wears like a cardier like ring that has like
Speaker 2: skull bones and like guns on it, and you're like, okay,
Speaker 2: this is so la and like cheesy. Okay. I am
Speaker 2: wearing my standard silver Figato chains silver necklace. I am
Speaker 2: wearing also a Figaro silver bracelet. I am wearing my
Speaker 2: classic grandfather's watch that is Diego Latour that is the
Speaker 2: original sixties memo Vox with kind of a black and
Speaker 2: gold band. I love classic piece of classic pieces with
Speaker 2: rock and roll.
Speaker 1: I think about vintage, look for stains and look for
Speaker 1: good materials.
Speaker 2: And then I threw in this ring that actually my
Speaker 2: girlfriend's mother gave me.
Speaker 1: That seems like a massive black. This is a.
Speaker 2: Massive black that's what was in their family. And I've
Speaker 2: always been afraid of rings, but I was like access rights.
Speaker 2: It's a massive black golden onyx ring with like a
Speaker 2: kind of looking Julius Caesar figures etched in. If you
Speaker 2: can take it off here too, it's a big leg
Speaker 2: right on hunking this kind of car.
Speaker 1: It's in gray into the stone. Is this kind of
Speaker 1: Roman profile figure. Huh. It's a little beat up, but
Speaker 1: that's what's so beautiful, so vintage. It tells us story.
Speaker 2: When I go to Decade's my favorite vintage store. In Melrose.
Speaker 2: This whole book is about the store decades, and then
Speaker 2: I'm doing this super breezy because it's kind of humid.
Speaker 2: This beautiful Italian nitpolo I'm wearing, and then just basic
Speaker 2: block jeans and then vintage paraboots.
Speaker 1: It's interesting you wore jeans. And we'll get to the
Speaker 1: forty pages on Dunhim and her incredibly schizophrenic opinions about
Speaker 1: the concept of Dunhim and the world of Dunham. I
Speaker 1: went completely insane today.
Speaker 2: All you look insane, but also like but it's.
Speaker 1: Like almost kind of works in this way where because
Speaker 1: I wanted to be insane, but like just insane enough
Speaker 1: that like maybe you're like, okay, actually maybe you can
Speaker 1: just rock that outfit.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: So I'm wearing my John Fluvog Lug Souls, which I
Speaker 1: keep thinking of my labooks because they just are kind
Speaker 1: of labuoki. They're just like a heavy brick pattern, wide
Speaker 1: like ag house jeans, braided brown leather belt. Yeah. I'm
Speaker 1: mixing brown and black shoes and belt. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, the rules throw them out.
Speaker 1: Cropped ex house tea silver chain that I got in Barcelona,
Speaker 1: dead stock, Carl Lagerfeld massive watch with a blue ceramic face.
Speaker 2: That took me back to you because I would say,
Speaker 2: like you were trying to be so rigels though in
Speaker 2: high school, because you were like, boh, yeah, you in
Speaker 2: this big, like flashy Carl liverpoold watch is taking me back,
Speaker 2: and I think it's amazing.
Speaker 1: It's a gift from friend of the pod Arabella, because
Speaker 1: she used to design for Carl's like airport line. And
Speaker 1: obviously when it's hit dead sec, I mean, like the
Speaker 1: watch is dead and it's not telling time, and it's.
Speaker 2: This like really two thousand and nine hue of like metal.
Speaker 2: It's kind of gun metal.
Speaker 1: It's kind of dark gun metal. And then it has
Speaker 1: this like cobalt face. And then I'm wearing my like
Speaker 1: see through glasses like Bedford Bedford half a new glasses
Speaker 1: that I'm also wearing Vermont knit hat, then a long
Speaker 1: scar and then my Diesel hoodie. It's just about showing
Speaker 1: as many layers and objects as possible. Oh and I'm
Speaker 1: wearing pukashells and two gold necklaces.
Speaker 2: And then she says, right with puka shells, I love
Speaker 2: island chepies. Yeah, she was like, Okay, here's the thing
Speaker 2: about traveling and I love going to St. Barts and
Speaker 2: she's always been like a don Over pipe but underpack
Speaker 2: and like brigle. But all I'm wearing is a Cardia bracelet,
Speaker 2: a Rolex my engagement and wedding rings. Of course I die.
Speaker 1: So it's so crazy that they got divorced, like last month.
Speaker 2: I know this episode's be so hot.
Speaker 1: How did she know that we were about to read
Speaker 1: her book from like fifteen years ago.
Speaker 2: It's really so insane because it's like she's just not
Speaker 2: been in the news at all, and then it's just
Speaker 2: Rachel and Roger divorce have for thirty three years.
Speaker 1: And now it's so seasoned she's getting divorced. We're reading
Speaker 1: her book like it's.
Speaker 2: We're realizing she's our coworker. Like you know, it's like
Speaker 2: I watched you know, we all remember the Zo Project,
Speaker 2: which is now streaming. You can watch it on Peacock.
Speaker 1: Oh, I was watching an Amazon like pain per episode.
Speaker 2: Saba, if you're money for vintage.
Speaker 1: I mean, reality TV in the early two thousands was
Speaker 1: so fucking good and it will never be that good,
Speaker 1: you know.
Speaker 2: And I was discussing this my lever why is so good?
Speaker 2: And it was like we could just watch Zoe and
Speaker 2: there was drama, but it's not just real. It's real.
Speaker 2: Well I wouldn't say some all the dramas so.
Speaker 1: Produced, but it's I'm saying the people who are on
Speaker 1: the show did not grow up watching reality television, so
Speaker 1: they haven't like become these weird archetypal characters in their
Speaker 1: head where it's like when you watch The Bachelor. Now,
Speaker 1: all these girls grew up watching The Bachelor, like they
Speaker 1: don't have.
Speaker 2: Real they grew up literally at this point, watching their
Speaker 2: grandmother's like be on the Bachelor, and it's like they're
Speaker 2: not all fighting in the same way, you know, of
Speaker 2: like I mean we talked about this all the time
Speaker 2: of like obviously it's always you know, first season Top Model,
Speaker 2: but it's just raw and like it is a little
Speaker 2: more meditative to just like watch Zoe be like babe,
Speaker 2: I want a new couch. Yeah, not just constant We're
Speaker 2: going to a big empty restaurant.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the way and the way that's it's not
Speaker 1: just a constant like interior shots and like just drone
Speaker 1: shots of kitchens and.
Speaker 2: Like couches and huge eyelands. I'm like, hey, I wanted
Speaker 2: to talk to you about something. But it did start.
Speaker 2: I want to talk to you about something.
Speaker 1: It did invent I want to talk to you about something.
Speaker 2: Sure, curR and Roger kind of have this like beautiful,
Speaker 2: kind of like chill tense but like sexy relationship.
Speaker 1: Her gay husband seems really supportive, and he's this just
Speaker 1: like kind of sea crusty but like with long hair,
Speaker 1: very almost Ryan Cabrera.
Speaker 2: It's a very Cabrera. And he's being so like waffle
Speaker 2: knit ed, hardy rocker tea over flare jeans chains.
Speaker 1: The episode I was watching, like episode two, and like
Speaker 1: she's talking about patting these dresses so Deborah Messing can
Speaker 1: try them on for the side.
Speaker 2: This whole book is about Deborah Messing.
Speaker 1: Deborah Messin's her masterpiece. Yeah, but she's like, we need
Speaker 1: the hero address and they're in her kitchen and he's
Speaker 1: just like, what do you mean it's a hero? Why
Speaker 1: is it a hero? And then she goes, don't do that,
Speaker 1: don't mock what I don't and he's.
Speaker 2: Like, babe, you know, I support you. But then we'll
Speaker 2: cut to them like at like Shotateau and like she's
Speaker 2: so also like it was the air of inventing Starbucks,
Speaker 2: massive venting, always her like tiny tiny hands wrapped around
Speaker 2: Halloween style of venting. And she's like, I'm just scared
Speaker 2: of like debuting my like line of like cheap sunglasses
Speaker 2: with my name on it. And he's like, here's the thing, babe,
Speaker 2: Like you're amazing.
Speaker 1: Sortive.
Speaker 2: So it is like he is roasting her, being like
Speaker 2: what do you mean, hero, What do I.
Speaker 1: Think went wrong? After thirty three years and three beautiful children?
Speaker 2: This is my theory And I wrote this not at
Speaker 2: the top of my notes that I was like, there's
Speaker 2: a certain type of popular girl in college that like
Speaker 2: with her like cool boyfriend that everyone does love who
Speaker 2: was a little bit gay.
Speaker 1: Wow, the tea that was just absolutely spilt in this office.
Speaker 2: And she is that girl. And everyone is like, oh,
Speaker 2: we actually love Roger more than Rachel, you know, y, Like.
Speaker 1: She actually she really found a good one because she can.
Speaker 2: Be Fulca's usually I hate him, I hate him, and
Speaker 2: then there's one who's like, no, I love him, and
Speaker 2: I think she's honestly, she did so well in her career. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because I'll say this, she wasn't like focused on looking
Speaker 2: for dick.
Speaker 1: Wow, that's really true.
Speaker 2: And I think she could focus on hero dresses. Yeah,
Speaker 2: because just like he was there and like being her rock.
Speaker 1: Yeah, because let's just say it. She's not just successful
Speaker 1: in the way we think of success today where it
Speaker 1: just seems like, oh, she has money, she has she
Speaker 1: has not already she invented a whole era of celebrities.
Speaker 1: She was really good at what she did, and she
Speaker 1: understood that, like these girls she was creating their red
Speaker 1: carpet looks like had to be subtle and on point,
Speaker 1: and there was this whole like economy that was not
Speaker 1: very populous, Like there was no social media, so it
Speaker 1: was all like the fashion place.
Speaker 2: It was fashion Police, right or online yeah, this weekly.
Speaker 1: And like it was more hierarchical and more top down,
Speaker 1: so like there was less room for air. And she
Speaker 1: took people who were basic and had no like Deborah
Speaker 1: Messy and Jennifer Garner are two of my favorite people
Speaker 1: in the world. But they're not like so basic, they're
Speaker 1: insanely basic. They're not like people. She took them and
Speaker 1: she was like, I'm going to subtly make them incredibly
Speaker 1: consistently glamorous and like give them literally a twenty year career.
Speaker 1: Because of the way they look at a series of
Speaker 1: events over the course of five years in the early
Speaker 1: two thousands, like she did that. She did that.
Speaker 2: Because imagine, look what Deborah is doing now.
Speaker 1: She's just like in the idef she said, yeah, she's
Speaker 1: literally and she looks me and those fatigues.
Speaker 2: No baggy fatigues. Little change, but.
Speaker 1: Like Garner has still even though like Garner kind of
Speaker 1: hasn't been in anything good since Alias and is only
Speaker 1: in weird Christian movies that like no one sees.
Speaker 2: Right that been like The Dog Flew Over the Moon, she.
Speaker 1: Still thought of as like an A list like star
Speaker 1: who's just like totally, like absolutely has prestige.
Speaker 2: And she talks about styling Jennifer for the Alias premieres,
Speaker 2: and it's like something because it's like she's literally in
Speaker 2: so many costumes Alias. But then when she is so
Speaker 2: jeans and basic and Christian like out of it, and
Speaker 2: it's like Zo made her glam and when she wasn't
Speaker 2: also doing the Dubras, she was making like Lindsay lohand
Speaker 2: be even more Lindsay Lohan than Lindsay Lohan was, and
Speaker 2: was like, we're making her look like Norma Jean, We're
Speaker 2: doing old school Maryland, Marylyn, and.
Speaker 1: She did fucking know Cole Richie. She did all the
Speaker 1: thing girls who were just like bow hold out.
Speaker 2: The who yeah, boho bags, metallic jewelry, she created ten
Speaker 2: dollars dress Jimmy two heels. No one else was saying
Speaker 2: H and M dress Chanel.
Speaker 1: Belts before that drink every time in this book that
Speaker 1: H and M is mentioned.
Speaker 2: This book is about H and M.
Speaker 1: That's like a high low kind of thing. Because H
Speaker 1: and M was so ubiquitous in two thousand and two.
Speaker 2: Oh my god when it dropped and we would go,
Speaker 2: I mean remember we read aw how we were in
Speaker 2: downtown Box every much every weekend.
Speaker 1: I was never not there. And I remember because I
Speaker 1: discovered H and M in Sweden.
Speaker 2: Actually probably came back when you came OUs bisexual and
Speaker 2: we're like, Lily, I'm bisexual and you need to meet
Speaker 2: me at the store inchin them.
Speaker 1: And then they opened an H and M in Boston
Speaker 1: like later that year. After I gone on my youth
Speaker 1: like youth exchange trip to Stockholm christ Missionary trip when
Speaker 1: I was fourteen, I was.
Speaker 2: Like, okay, so I love also have this book. Like
Speaker 2: it starts in this very chan stick in some way,
Speaker 2: just like I was a girl who collected magazines.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she loved fashion. She was on the floor, so
Speaker 1: I came right out of my mother's room and into
Speaker 1: her closet. I swear her closet is my earliest memory
Speaker 1: as a young girl. I thought she epitomized glammer. Everything
Speaker 1: about her was and still is beautiful. Her hair, her jewelry,
Speaker 1: her shoes. My sister and I would rifle through her
Speaker 1: things all the time. So my fondest memory to the
Speaker 1: three of us, sprawled out on our bed, we'd spread
Speaker 1: out her boxes the kind you find it the hardware
Speaker 1: sort of organized nails, but are perfect for the endless
Speaker 1: inventory of jewelry she collected. She's got this big, like
Speaker 1: orange plastic box. I'm guessing parents sound really chic.
Speaker 2: Like she has photos of her mom and like they're
Speaker 2: pretty fab.
Speaker 1: And she like saves up to go to the West
Speaker 1: Village and buy a two hundred dollars vintage coat in
Speaker 1: like nineteen seventy one or whatever.
Speaker 2: The school trip, and everyone else is buying like postcards,
Speaker 2: and she literally like heads the West.
Speaker 1: Fell and she starts like learning about Halston at age
Speaker 1: thirteen and is like wearing headbands and being like, I'm
Speaker 1: a glamor girl. I celebrate American designer.
Speaker 2: No. I was like, you're literally so me going to
Speaker 2: the Gianni Versace store in downtown Boston at age eleven, being.
Speaker 1: Just like, that's so crazy, literally such a fashion hound.
Speaker 2: One of her biggest tips it's for stylists but also
Speaker 2: all people in this book, which I think is so true,
Speaker 2: especially in our online world. I mean, this is so
Speaker 2: pre online is like, get to know your boutiques and like,
Speaker 2: get to know the big stores like shop is research,
Speaker 2: Like it's literally fine, like go shopping. You don't have
Speaker 2: to buy anything, go and try a bunch of stuff on. Yeah,
Speaker 2: get to know your salespeople. They'll let you know when
Speaker 2: sales are coming. And she was like, now, even in
Speaker 2: Santa Fe, there's amazing local boutiques.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I do feel that way, and in times in
Speaker 1: my life when I've been more regular customers at certain boutiques,
Speaker 1: I do feel a certain sense of knowledge that I'm
Speaker 1: getting that I wouldn't get elsewhere. Yeah, I'm also feeling
Speaker 1: a certain sense of spending money.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, it's a sense of being rich. And of
Speaker 2: course I think it's like if you have the money
Speaker 2: to spend. That gives you the power to go in
Speaker 2: and not spend. Sorry, I just shook.
Speaker 1: Myself for race see and the bombs you're dropping today.
Speaker 1: The power to spend is the power and not spend.
Speaker 1: That is so true because when you don't have a
Speaker 1: ton of money.
Speaker 2: To go in and be like, oh, thank you so much, No, sir,
Speaker 2: I don't even try it all.
Speaker 1: It's the rat race and you feel like you can't
Speaker 1: go in because you can't buy, and then if you
Speaker 1: do go in, you're like, well, I have to buy.
Speaker 1: And the real power is knowing that you aren't gonna
Speaker 1: buy because you can.
Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just being like I just want to see
Speaker 2: how it fit and I'll think about it.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you're not like insecure about them, worrying
Speaker 1: that you're poor, and just like being a teen who's
Speaker 1: in here for shits and kicks.
Speaker 2: Oh you think this is funny?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, you're gonna make me run around because like
Speaker 1: you know that they know that you could come back
Speaker 1: at any time and up Chase Sapphire preferred like it's
Speaker 1: nobody's business.
Speaker 2: Not the prefer that lets you into the lounge, but
Speaker 2: preferred nonetheless so right, she loves Holston's her first love,
Speaker 2: which is like so fab then Valentino. So I also
Speaker 2: had no idea. Before she became Rituals of Stylist the Stars,
Speaker 2: she was the fashion editor and one of my favorite magazines,
Speaker 2: Why am.
Speaker 1: Oh and Wyam is one of those like smaller sized magazines.
Speaker 2: It used to be big and then it went small
Speaker 2: and then it just went over. Yeah, my sister and
Speaker 2: I would buy like seventeen wym. It was like the
Speaker 2: classic like teen magazine that had the embarrassing stories about
Speaker 2: like getting your period on a guy and then quizzes
Speaker 2: and like an article and then like fashion spreads that
Speaker 2: were so like Cosmo for teens because yeah, and it
Speaker 2: was like sex advice and like how to put in
Speaker 2: a tampon, Like everything was just like I have seven
Speaker 2: tampons in me at once.
Speaker 1: I loved teen Vogue, which I subscribed to for a
Speaker 1: while as an actual teen, and that was small. That
Speaker 1: was small, and like tvag was cool because it was
Speaker 1: very like the magazine Jennifer Garner comes up with at
Speaker 1: the end of thirteen going up three, like it was
Speaker 1: always it was more positive and like collages of like
Speaker 1: interiors like there was just like a lot of like
Speaker 1: overall design inspiration in that magazine, and I didn't feel
Speaker 1: like it was too prescriptive. It didn't feel too like
Speaker 1: girl like, oh, I'm not allowed to read this because
Speaker 1: I'm a boy. And it wasn't so period stories.
Speaker 2: Also as like maybe she left y m teen. Vogue
Speaker 2: came about when we were like fifteen, sixteen and more
Speaker 2: was like you are teen, you have power to like
Speaker 2: shop them thrill.
Speaker 1: And they were doing like actual editorials, like actual fashion spreads,
Speaker 1: because I don't think Wyam was really doing that, I.
Speaker 2: Know when I was like fashion es. Yeah, it was
Speaker 2: very like this girls wearing maybe like a roxy tank
Speaker 2: candy sneakers, like a denim shrug. We should look up
Speaker 2: what her spread shrug. She's always just like how glamorous
Speaker 2: does Deborah Messing?
Speaker 1: Look at this her shrug and you know what she does.
Speaker 1: So then she starts working at Halston. She gets like
Speaker 1: a job like archiving in Halston, which is such a
Speaker 1: dream for her literal dream, and she kind of works
Speaker 1: your way U very quickly. It's one of those things
Speaker 1: where like when you're getting into an industry in the
Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, nineties, like I'll say it, if you
Speaker 1: are like interested in something, you can kind of just
Speaker 1: hop in. Like there isn't so much competition because it's
Speaker 1: pre Internet and you're not like competing against a thousand interns,
Speaker 1: and like if you actually care and you're hungry, like
Speaker 1: you'll be wanted and you'll be Yeah.
Speaker 2: I think if you pound on the door in this
Speaker 2: very like kind of eighties way and like write your
Speaker 2: big letter on scented paper and legally blonde, Yeah, how
Speaker 2: did you get your CNN internship?
Speaker 1: You know? It's funny. Actually I had a teacher at
Speaker 1: NYU who had worked at CNN, and he like taught
Speaker 1: this class on the news media, and like he encouraged
Speaker 1: me to apply for the internship. I think like wrote
Speaker 1: a letter or whatever, and like I got it. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure how competitive it was, but that's.
Speaker 2: What I'm thinking about the competition where it was like
Speaker 2: when I applied to my Springer internship.
Speaker 1: I do think it because I did go to NYU,
Speaker 1: and like, I think part of what you're paying for
Speaker 1: and by you, I mean my parents is like the
Speaker 1: internship office, because it's like then I got the CBS
Speaker 1: News internship, I got the w it's made for Internet.
Speaker 1: So they just kind of were like, here are the
Speaker 1: internships you could apply for, and then you apply for
Speaker 1: it and you got it. But obviously it's like enormously talented,
Speaker 1: and you're enormously talented and was built for news. I
Speaker 1: also lied on.
Speaker 2: My internship application period two Springer and said I had
Speaker 2: interned for a close friend's father.
Speaker 1: I mean, I led in my internship to n YU.
Speaker 2: So you guys, I lie.
Speaker 1: I said that I was treasurer of the art club,
Speaker 1: but like I was treasurer of my own art club,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: I was shopping, Yeah, Celebrity book Club.
Speaker 2: Okay, so she's archiving for Halston.
Speaker 1: Like wait, I always love the popping cork on a
Speaker 1: bottle of champagne. In that very instant, the loud seems
Speaker 1: to signal a crazy burst of excitement, conjuring all kinds
Speaker 1: of thrills, Stepping out your front door with the biggest
Speaker 1: smile and highest heels, hanging out with your favorite people
Speaker 1: and laughing until it hurts, jetting away from home to
Speaker 1: an even more thrilling place, living it up because you're
Speaker 1: truly alive. There's an intrinsic change to those three very
Speaker 1: simple words, living it up. It's about being happy, positive, alive.
Speaker 1: There's something so h can the brevity of the phrase,
Speaker 1: as if it were a synonym for style itself. On
Speaker 1: those nights when we live it up, we feel our
Speaker 1: most glamorous, are most confident.
Speaker 2: Right, I mean eryod literally period.
Speaker 1: This book to me is a little bit like if
Speaker 1: Lauren Conrad like was educated. Yes, because Lauren Conrade's book
Speaker 1: is almost written by like an alien. This book is
Speaker 1: lives inside a Walmart and like Rachel so like is smart,
Speaker 1: but like she is, like it's this basic manifesto and
Speaker 1: she's just like this is what girls want. Ladies like
Speaker 1: we watch sex in the city, we want heels.
Speaker 2: We're glamorous. Like. It's also very this response to like
Speaker 2: this nineties like, oh so we're all in casual trainers
Speaker 2: now No, Like I would say one of the biggest
Speaker 2: thesis I took away from this is just be glamorous
Speaker 2: and like always, no matter the occasion. And she goes
Speaker 2: through many occasions, but it's like show respect to the
Speaker 2: event and person you are seeing by dressing fabulous.
Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. There's also a theory that
Speaker 1: I'm just perklating right now. I think we've heard somewhere
Speaker 1: else too, though, But like, if you think about the
Speaker 1: nineties as being a time of like really intense casualness
Speaker 1: and the evolution of style. Yeah, so you have like
Speaker 1: there's that pood. Do you want to go jet off
Speaker 1: somewhere with your best friends and left till it hurts?
Speaker 2: Yea? And I want a pack, I don't know, something
Speaker 2: for single girlfriends, tons of cool frocks, short heels.
Speaker 1: So I think the nineties were this time of like
Speaker 1: basically we reached the peak of casualness in the course
Speaker 1: of fashion history. So on the one hand, it's like
Speaker 1: people were just being comfortable going out in yoga pants
Speaker 1: and like exercise where which hadn't really happened, I mean
Speaker 1: sort of happened like in the eighties. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: like you had like grunge and then like American sports
Speaker 1: wearing Tommy Hill figure and like the urban revolution and
Speaker 1: logos and so like casualness was becoming like more of
Speaker 1: like a thing that like people could do as like
Speaker 1: an intentional look, as an outfit. But as the new
Speaker 1: millennium rolls around, there becomes this reaction and I think
Speaker 1: if you look in fashion history, and have heard this
Speaker 1: before that every turn of the century fashion gets a
Speaker 1: little more conservative again and empire wastes come back.
Speaker 2: Huh.
Speaker 1: It's like almost like this reset, people like, oh, we're
Speaker 1: going back in time, like we need to like be
Speaker 1: like Edwardian again. And so I I think there's a
Speaker 1: little bit of that and her being this creature of
Speaker 1: the two thousands, there's a slight reaction against the casualness
Speaker 1: of the nineties.
Speaker 2: Also not even casual, but I would say the high
Speaker 2: prep of it all right, because if we're looking at
Speaker 2: like just like the casual office and like the gapness
Speaker 2: of everything of being like I'm in like khakis. M
Speaker 2: Obviously there was a lot of people who weren't being
Speaker 2: khakis in the nineties, but it's like khakis were around
Speaker 2: and big, and then it's like two thousands is like
Speaker 2: we're actually rockers, but rockers not in a grungeway rock gun.
Speaker 1: It's getting more form fitting. Well, this actually is interesting
Speaker 1: because it gets back into the history of pants, which
Speaker 1: I looked into for that article I wrote a year
Speaker 1: ago for Mister Porter. But like how the mail leg
Speaker 1: and showing the male leg became more common as we
Speaker 1: moved away from the Renaissance era, and like it became
Speaker 1: about like men showing their masculinity and different through the
Speaker 1: leg and differentiating themselves from the boys. And there's scrawny
Speaker 1: little chicken legs and big.
Speaker 2: Shorts and it's like, right now, we're in this insane
Speaker 2: pants revolution that's rejecting Rachel's Doe's era.
Speaker 1: And yet it's ironically embracing rachel' z Tho's era. I
Speaker 1: know point now where every size of pant can be rocked.
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think super skinny, even though so many
Speaker 2: people are doing it. Still.
Speaker 1: I think like men who are would be qualified as
Speaker 1: fashionable in today's modern times are not doing super skinny,
Speaker 1: but they are doing somewhat skinny. There's a skinny slim.
Speaker 2: She loves stove pipe harres.
Speaker 1: To jetting off with your goal to jetting off.
Speaker 2: When she says something so funny in this book where
Speaker 2: she's like we all have like our problem areas and
Speaker 2: like places in our body we hate, she goes even
Speaker 2: supermodel and then she goes, don't roll your eyes, which
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with. Yeah, she was like, don't roll
Speaker 2: your eyes. That like super you know, Nicole Richie may
Speaker 2: hate her arms.
Speaker 1: Well, she also calls herself curvy though.
Speaker 2: No, it's the which is the most shocking.
Speaker 1: But then I was thinking how the word curvy has evolved,
Speaker 1: because now curvy means like the plus size market. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and that's been something that like I've been at the
Speaker 1: forefront of, like someone who is like branded plus size
Speaker 1: women's clothing companies where it's like we say the curve
Speaker 1: market now, but it's like curvy. Why does curvy mean big?
Speaker 1: Because I could draw a line on this piece of paper. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's a curve. That's not big, that's thin.
Speaker 2: Because it's meaning right hips, but you can have a
Speaker 2: pretty snatched waist in a huge ass.
Speaker 1: Like am I people, I am actually curvy, literally thin
Speaker 1: and curvy, because you do have hips. I have hips.
Speaker 1: I'm like literally thinn and curvy, So what about me?
Speaker 2: No, And honestly, I would say, like I'm sturdy, not curvy.
Speaker 2: I think, like I don't think. I mean, yeah, when
Speaker 2: I had like big old titties, like maybe that was curvy.
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say you have an hour glass figure? No,
Speaker 1: and I don't.
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wouldn't say I have like such a don't.
Speaker 1: Drop like you qualify as the curve market.
Speaker 2: Right like I probably would when I'm shopping for basics.
Speaker 2: This is such an amazing quote. If you show up
Speaker 2: looking a bit more glad than the rest, what's the
Speaker 2: worst case scenario? You look the best in the room.
Speaker 1: Okay, I kind of take issue with this, though.
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this because I feel like
Speaker 2: it's something that I.
Speaker 1: Think there's something so embarrassing when you arrive, when you're
Speaker 1: super dressed up at everyone's so casual in a fucking
Speaker 1: heather hoodie.
Speaker 2: Well she says, you have an ow you can say,
Speaker 2: I'm going somewhere else after this. And that happened to
Speaker 2: me once when I was going to an engagement party
Speaker 2: and I went to just like an airbrush event at
Speaker 2: Singers before and everyone was like, oh my god, you
Speaker 2: look amazing, Like why are you in a blazer?
Speaker 1: But you were going I literally was.
Speaker 2: And I got to just go to everyone I've been
Speaker 2: after this. This is a reading. Consider the time, and
Speaker 2: at Sunday at four pm, chances are it's not a
Speaker 2: black taieth ad. If it's a Saturday night weddings after
Speaker 2: six pm, it most certainly calls for a formal looks
Speaker 2: a weekend brunch or an afternoon tea, celebrating a birthday
Speaker 2: or baby shower, calls for a little dress, stay away
Speaker 2: from satin or other shiny fabrics per day, and resist black.
Speaker 2: I love black, but during the day, go with some color.
Speaker 2: If prefer darker shades, then try navy or brown or
Speaker 2: deep jewel tone, but generally I prefer white, creams or even.
Speaker 1: Pastels jewel tone.
Speaker 2: And then she's like, jeans are fine, but skip the
Speaker 2: scruffy T shirt for a halter or a puncho. If
Speaker 2: it's a pool party, do not forget to cover up,
Speaker 2: be it a calftan or oversized scarf. No one really
Speaker 2: wants to see her bare booty, regardless how fabulous it is.
Speaker 2: While they're digging into their dinner. She kind of is
Speaker 2: always like, don't show cleavage, but like, don't show too
Speaker 2: much leg.
Speaker 1: And this comes back to this sort of turn of
Speaker 1: the century like conservatism reaction area that I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: But I do think that maybe like that is changing now.
Speaker 1: We're almost like wearing a button down with jeans versus
Speaker 1: wearing a ratty T shirt with jeans. The ratty T
Speaker 1: shirt actually looks cooler. Yeah, because the button down with jeans,
Speaker 1: like there's something that's trying so hard. Where's a button
Speaker 1: down with dress pants? Is like, oh, you're so confident
Speaker 1: to wear this, to wear this.
Speaker 2: Yes, because something about the button down with jeans is
Speaker 2: a little bit like o gray, like here's a meeting.
Speaker 1: What's interesting is they almost do think that fashion has
Speaker 1: become more costume me in the past fifteen years, and
Speaker 1: like everyone is basically kind of in a costume now.
Speaker 2: But couldn't you see that in the seventies.
Speaker 1: Well no, because the seventies literally was the seventies. But
Speaker 1: you know, but now people are dressing like they're in
Speaker 1: a seventies I was. You go to Dimes Square of Silver, like,
Speaker 1: and everyone looks like they're in Fleetwood Mac and they're
Speaker 1: wearing like the tightest little T shirt and my pants.
Speaker 3: Ya.
Speaker 2: No. I saw a girl the other day in an
Speaker 2: event and she was dressed like full almost famous, and
Speaker 2: that I found actually like sad and embarrassing. Where I
Speaker 2: was like, you could have nodded to the seventies. You
Speaker 2: could have done like flares and a top, but like
Speaker 2: the full patches of flowers on the hat.
Speaker 1: Right, You're like, what about this metallic.
Speaker 2: Flats, metallic plots, hobo bag with fringe, like be a
Speaker 2: little bit rocker. I think it's like to the over
Speaker 2: dressing point is like, it's more just like dressed to
Speaker 2: have fun, and I think people will see that if
Speaker 2: you're having fun, they'll have fun.
Speaker 1: Broach the subject. You have no idea how many times
Speaker 1: in my line of work a broach has saved the day.
Speaker 1: Nicole Richie and I were in Las Vegas for an event,
Speaker 1: just time that events are referred to as an event.
Speaker 2: Which is by the way, listening to her podcast today,
Speaker 2: she literally said she grew tired of events, which is
Speaker 2: so crazy because this whole book is about her going
Speaker 2: to events.
Speaker 1: I can't imagine ever going to kind of events, and
Speaker 1: if I do, take me out back, shoot me. Nicole
Speaker 1: rich and I were in Las Vegas for an event,
Speaker 1: already on her way to the party when she realized
Speaker 1: the dress she was wearing was too constricting to dance in.
Speaker 1: This dawned on her as we were walking through the
Speaker 1: forum shops at Caesar's.
Speaker 2: That lied screamed, just a forum shops.
Speaker 1: It's dawned on her when we were in the forum
Speaker 1: shops at.
Speaker 2: Caesar's walking through being like, you know, oh my.
Speaker 1: God, this dress, it's too constricted. She's like carrying the
Speaker 1: wedding dress. Get it off, Get it off.
Speaker 2: So maybe she was walking through the shops being like
Speaker 2: I can hardly even walk through the Forum shops because
Speaker 2: I mean, think about walking through Caesar's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they go to the shops of the Caesars.
Speaker 1: We walked right into Gucci and found a dress we liked,
Speaker 1: a coral colored, pleading, cocky dress. There was only one,
Speaker 1: and it was a size ten. Luckily there was a
Speaker 1: decorative brooch on the front of the dress. I took
Speaker 1: the brooch off the front, cinched half the dress back,
Speaker 1: and pinned it. Just like that. The size ten fit
Speaker 1: her small frame perfectly. That's genius.
Speaker 2: It's so genius, and I love how Also, like, this
Speaker 2: book is way more about like how to fit thin
Speaker 2: girls into bigger clothes, Yeah, not like how to be
Speaker 2: a bigger girl like rock clothes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're not going to put a size
Speaker 1: ten girl in his size two zero with a magical brooch.
Speaker 1: That working the other way around.
Speaker 2: My sister wrode with a magical brooch.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the travel section. This section is It's Crazy.
Speaker 2: By the way, just before we start off, Harvey Weinstein
Speaker 2: is heavily featured in this book, and she talks about
Speaker 2: how like she was on a three day business trip,
Speaker 2: like styling.
Speaker 1: Everywhere.
Speaker 2: She's like styling Deborah Messing or Nicole Ritchie or something
Speaker 2: like that. And then she's like, and then a powerful
Speaker 2: player asked me to go to con and then it's
Speaker 2: like so many photos of her and Harvey, So I
Speaker 2: think it's gonna go ahead and be Harvey.
Speaker 1: I feel like he wasn't really.
Speaker 2: I think he knew like he needed her to style
Speaker 2: his girls, but she didn't need him. No, so it
Speaker 2: didn't didn't make sense.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he couldn't give her anything. I mean they wanted
Speaker 1: to work with Rachel. Everyone wanted to work with Rachel.
Speaker 1: Packing my clients for a trip, but Truman and fit
Speaker 1: much of what we need to glam them up for
Speaker 1: a prece event way in advance. But even then a
Speaker 1: backup look or twenty might be thrown into the last minute,
Speaker 1: particularly extra heels and bags. The entire level is carefully
Speaker 1: wrapped in stuff with tissue paper and ship by FedEx
Speaker 1: to a destination. Well almost the entire lot when there's
Speaker 1: a little room for backup. My sisters or I might
Speaker 1: hand carry a gown on board. Take note if you
Speaker 1: can't risk it because it's an valuary, I really love it.
Speaker 1: Don't leave it to chance or bag of handlers who
Speaker 1: could potentially send it on a fourteen hour flight to Pretoria.
Speaker 1: Take it with you as a carry on. Of course,
Speaker 1: if it's a six seater plane going to a photo
Speaker 1: shoot and a Caribbean island, the pilot himself might deny
Speaker 1: my bringing a gown, no matter how hibulous it is
Speaker 1: into the tiny cabin. In those cases, you have to
Speaker 1: hope for the best and pray that it arriots on
Speaker 1: the cargo flight.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm obsessed with the part where it's just like
Speaker 2: in the bag, like different types of like way to
Speaker 2: pack for like different types of trips, single girlfriends, sexy dresses,
Speaker 2: high heels, and lots of Juliet for a riot of
Speaker 2: a time, family, more comfortable outfits and not as many
Speaker 2: options because you can repeat looks with your family, which
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the only time you're repeating significant others
Speaker 2: their favorite things in yours, including those little nothings that
Speaker 2: can make your trip sucksier, business associates, business tire that
Speaker 2: doesn't easily wrinkle, including a dress, the option in case
Speaker 2: dinner follows the big meetings.
Speaker 1: I do feel like this whole section is a little
Speaker 1: bit the opposite of this Reddit communityum part of called
Speaker 1: her one bag.
Speaker 2: It's really opposite her one bag because she says only
Speaker 2: do carry on for a three day trip.
Speaker 1: Where it's like she's checking the most massive suitcases for
Speaker 1: a five day trip.
Speaker 2: She's very my HouseGuest, Mickey Blonco coming with three full sized,
Speaker 2: massive suitcases.
Speaker 1: Just go start with shoes at the bottom. I put
Speaker 1: mine in sacks, either those that come with the shoes
Speaker 1: or draws the don't get scratched. Then next layer is
Speaker 1: jeans folded in half, then layer everything else. So I
Speaker 1: do put jeans at the bottom, but I don't put
Speaker 1: shoes at bottom. I put shoes on the side, so
Speaker 1: I separate shoes. I put like one shoe on a
Speaker 1: sign and one shoe on another side, not together. No,
Speaker 1: but I do carry in for a month, and I
Speaker 1: still have plenty of room and plenty of clothes.
Speaker 2: Plenty of room.
Speaker 1: Yeah, with my gorgeous expandable samsonit.
Speaker 2: You changed my life with that Samsonite because I bought it.
Speaker 1: We'll put it like a page.
Speaker 2: My favorite thing that she says to pack, which was insane.
Speaker 2: Again to reference my HouseGuest Mickey Blanco guest on the pod,
Speaker 2: so she says, I always carry a hard paper calendar.
Speaker 1: That's so weird.
Speaker 2: Blanco comes to my house, No unpacks like a Tiffany's like, no,
Speaker 2: full ass walk not only a calendar and has the
Speaker 2: same exact Amazon witch calendar that maya house like full
Speaker 2: ass like kitchen drawings of witchy.
Speaker 1: Girls, not just like photos of like sexy witches noes.
Speaker 2: We're drawings of sexy witches van art kind of ye
Speaker 2: and art. And it was like and he was like,
Speaker 2: I carry too. He was actually so Rachel's though.
Speaker 1: He was like I carried to kind of filled it
Speaker 1: out with like sharpie.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like folded in the bag.
Speaker 1: Because it just needs a large visual.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so weird. I mean I love having writing
Speaker 2: down things on my big calendar my kitchen. I don't
Speaker 2: know if I'm traveling.
Speaker 1: With it, yeah, I mean personally I use Google, cow
Speaker 1: icw whatever like that does function for me pretty But like.
Speaker 2: If you have your hobo bag. She also says like
Speaker 2: write down what you need.
Speaker 1: Okay, makings of a bonvoyage, purpose business, weather report, hot
Speaker 1: or cold pack, separate, think me, mixed and matches, a
Speaker 1: complete professional outfits, A white bluff thing go with a
Speaker 1: skirt suit and jeans, a pretty canasol. The fucking strangle
Speaker 1: hold that camasols had on women in the early two thousands.
Speaker 2: Camsol over, camesol over cameras.
Speaker 1: I feel like your sister had, Like she probably had
Speaker 1: camocels and they had that little the lace.
Speaker 2: No, the little lace at the top that was maybe
Speaker 2: half an inch. Yeah, And honestly I had a few
Speaker 2: of those too before I became the badass pimp I am.
Speaker 2: I had these, like the lace Candy, the lace Lion
Speaker 2: I had. It was yeah, but it was still a
Speaker 2: little more like a wife pleaser. It was like from
Speaker 2: Urban and it was like a black tank with a tiny, tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny bit of lace.
Speaker 1: I think, huh, that actually does kind of sound sexy.
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of like Rocker in London
Speaker 2: and Trondreness act.
Speaker 1: I mean, bring that back.
Speaker 2: Sorry, this is for when it's holiday cold. Don't forget
Speaker 2: a hat. Newsboy, Beanie cap, floppy will beret, anything that folds, gloves, sunglasses.
Speaker 1: Pack hosiery, but never skinning colored. Don't forget a belter
Speaker 1: who distension, bulky sweaters, addresses at the hips or waist,
Speaker 1: and a wrap that can double as a scarf or shawl.
Speaker 1: I'm actually getting so confused. Everything has this like multi
Speaker 1: dimensional like three piece shawl sweater, wrappable hats.
Speaker 2: Wait, we haven't even gotten to like the show. And
Speaker 2: just like Curtain Brad and there fallout and just like
Speaker 2: her fallout, all too a tailor.
Speaker 1: I mean everyone in that show is like a monster.
Speaker 1: Taylor is so funny.
Speaker 2: You're so evil and like she's really trying to like
Speaker 2: raz Brad.
Speaker 1: She's the most like classic East Village evil bartender, like so.
Speaker 2: True where she's just being like fucking like Rebecca took
Speaker 2: all my shifts. Yeah, like and she has this insane
Speaker 2: choppy like Taylor moms and cut.
Speaker 1: And she's so mean to Brad. She's so abusive to
Speaker 1: this poor gate intern, just being like he's like all
Speaker 1: the dresses got soaked because Rachel's garage flooded in the range.
Speaker 1: She's just like you need to deal with this. I
Speaker 1: have to go to the reress please get it together,
Speaker 1: that dresses.
Speaker 2: And then he's trying to fix it by like calling
Speaker 2: all the stories to get new dresses again for Debora Messing.
Speaker 2: So he's like doing the thing where he was like, well,
Speaker 2: let me try to fix the problem before even Rachel
Speaker 2: Zoe finds out about the problem.
Speaker 1: And then she also told him not to tell Rachel Zoe,
Speaker 1: which was and then he's mad at him for not
Speaker 1: telling him. He doesn't even throw into the bus because
Speaker 1: he's like actually good person. And now I'm like justice
Speaker 1: for Brad Gorski, even though he is just now.
Speaker 2: He's become such like an insane like evil cheesy.
Speaker 1: An evil cheesy fashion who's so also doing the thing
Speaker 1: that Tan France does where it's like your hair doesn't
Speaker 1: need to be so Jimmy utronto seven.
Speaker 2: I know, and it's still insanely, I mean.
Speaker 1: Now so much cuter if you had like a close
Speaker 1: cropped fashion French haircut.
Speaker 2: Tell him, Brad, tell him bad dear Brad, let's crop it.
Speaker 2: And I guess their fallout was because she thought he
Speaker 2: was like stealing clients from her because he got obviously
Speaker 2: like too big for his bridges. But the point is it's.
Speaker 1: Like that you fall out with your former employer, your
Speaker 1: maid ysinist. Literally, it's like it's kind of just like,
Speaker 1: I mean that this student becomes a master.
Speaker 2: Oh, you want me to just sit here for and
Speaker 2: help you like get dresses for debor messing and not
Speaker 2: get my own clients. Yeah, learn, it's like teach.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, why are you trying to teach him
Speaker 1: if you don't want him to get his own clients.
Speaker 2: Let's talk about her opinion on jeans for a second,
Speaker 2: because it's just.
Speaker 1: Lets there's like forty pages on jeans where she's like,
Speaker 1: don't wear jeans the office, but also so much is
Speaker 1: happening in Denham right now?
Speaker 2: And then on her podcast that I was listening to
Speaker 2: from two months ago, her producer goes, so, how often
Speaker 2: are you bringing your Chanelle denim bag to the Hamptons
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, of course, of course I'm bringing
Speaker 2: the Dunham Chanel.
Speaker 1: There's also this thing in the book where she has
Speaker 1: little like celebrities are invited to sound off.
Speaker 2: Such as Jennifer Garner and.
Speaker 1: Like real celebrities, it's Runner, Michael Course and Hathaway. There's
Speaker 1: this little section and Hathaway cracks the gene code we've
Speaker 1: been waiting. If you're thin, you can probably get away
Speaker 1: with a stiff gene. If you're like me and a
Speaker 1: bit curvy, then some stretches the way to go. There
Speaker 1: are even some brands that managed to cut a skan
Speaker 1: jing with stretch that looks good on the rest of
Speaker 1: us shapely girls. Because Anne Hathaway in like two thousand
Speaker 1: and one terms was like fat. She was fat.
Speaker 2: And also this is the time when I think the
Speaker 2: first time jeans was stretched came out in like.
Speaker 1: Not a like because they hadn't figured out how to
Speaker 1: like inject like spandex, and they had made.
Speaker 2: Like I think eighties like total ridiculous stonewashed jeans with
Speaker 2: like a big pouch over it, but not the skinny
Speaker 2: jeans we know today that are like three percent elastine.
Speaker 1: And then Rachel Zoe goes gray. Fitting Ritlican jene should
Speaker 1: not look like they're squeezing you out like sausage from
Speaker 1: its casein if the waist cuts your hips running on
Speaker 1: the line, your trursto create a fat roll. Cast those
Speaker 1: jeans off immediately. In all likelihood, you don't need to diet.
Speaker 1: In all likelihood you don't need to diet.
Speaker 2: It's like all but you probably do. Rachel Zobi she's
Speaker 2: really anti jeens, but she's also like I get they're
Speaker 2: like a part of today, and like we all do
Speaker 2: need a pair of jeans, so you should have a
Speaker 2: pair of like stove top skin.
Speaker 1: But she goes. I believe genes can be worn in
Speaker 1: a mile long list of scenarios. I wear them for
Speaker 1: work and play, of course, and occasionally on a night
Speaker 1: out celebrating. I also believe denham should be used and
Speaker 1: not abused. She's very dunhim is a privilege. I agree,
Speaker 1: and like know when to use it. They're ideal for
Speaker 1: running around on your day off or a dinner party
Speaker 1: at a best friend's house. Some jeans could even be
Speaker 1: right for work, depending on the office of dress code
Speaker 1: and culture. But when it comes to a company event,
Speaker 1: unless it's some hoe down barbecue off for a little
Speaker 1: more than dunhim out of respect for your employers in industry,
Speaker 1: a dresser pair of trousers is no more difficult to
Speaker 1: get into her list relaxed, and it makes an entirely
Speaker 1: better statement. No matter on which you glam up jeans,
Speaker 1: there's still jeans. So she comes down the office, but
Speaker 1: not an office party unless it's like a backyard hoedown and.
Speaker 2: It's like themed. And she's also like never never do
Speaker 2: a Canadian tuxedo, like please, She's very.
Speaker 1: Sorry.
Speaker 2: She's being so like fashioned police and just being like,
Speaker 2: oh okay, Willie Nelson.
Speaker 1: I'm sure now she saw like Billy Eilish and like,
Speaker 1: you know, a huge.
Speaker 2: I love it. I die, I die, I die for Billy.
Speaker 4: I die for Billy, I die for segments does she wear?
Speaker 2: How does she live? Okay, how does she live? Here's
Speaker 2: the thing? Like she has a big white Bobo Italia
Speaker 2: CNB couch and in the show she's like Roger, I
Speaker 2: want a furniture and he's like, we just got a
Speaker 2: couch two years ago, and she's like so and he
Speaker 2: was like, you told me this would be for life.
Speaker 1: And so then they go to Fendi Cassa and they's
Speaker 1: like furniture. It's like very like modern, like everything is
Speaker 1: just so like kind of euro early two thousands, like square.
Speaker 2: Square white, but and it's cool, like I feel like
Speaker 2: she talks about just like being fun. She does the
Speaker 2: Clinton Kelly thing where she's just like, buy a ton
Speaker 2: of different pattern cups from FLA Markets.
Speaker 1: She says at one point, then she loves Kelly Wurstler's style,
Speaker 1: but she's like, obviously that's like way too colorful and
Speaker 1: maximalist for me. I'm super modern and having like one
Speaker 1: Amarillis on the counter and then just like this all
Speaker 1: white room and so it's celebrity and like one large
Speaker 1: canvas that's like all yellow.
Speaker 2: And then she's also like very like me and dorm
Speaker 2: in this way where she's being like, cant afford pricey art,
Speaker 2: get vintage magazines and frame.
Speaker 1: Them, frame magazines, Carla fil Massoni blankets. I don't know.
Speaker 1: The whole friending cost some thing to me is a
Speaker 1: little bit like one stop shop where I'm like right
Speaker 1: where she's just like, oh wait, it's designer, Like she says,
Speaker 1: don't fall for designer, but then she's like I need
Speaker 1: to cost a couch. Yeah.
Speaker 2: She really isn't following her own creed in this no.
Speaker 1: I think like when it comes to furniture, like everything
Speaker 1: that she's learned from fashions, she throws out the window,
Speaker 1: which I don't really get. It's like, shouldn't you be
Speaker 1: like a student of this and do what you like
Speaker 1: and a mix of vintage and and she's.
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, she's get Massoni pillow.
Speaker 1: And research and it's like where is all that, Like
Speaker 1: where's the inspiration?
Speaker 2: You know what it is? It was because they were
Speaker 2: coming to photograph her house. She panicked, and she panicked
Speaker 2: was already kind of just pretty beige.
Speaker 1: It was beige and boring, and it's.
Speaker 2: Like where are the funky cups?
Speaker 1: But I guess it also because like ultimately she is
Speaker 1: basic and metallic flat, so like the house is going
Speaker 1: to have.
Speaker 2: Like she has flats, so it's going to be just
Speaker 2: like white leather section.
Speaker 1: It's not being so like a dual told sofa and
Speaker 1: like dark cherrywood walls and like yeah, fourteenth century tapestry.
Speaker 2: It's like she's so obsessed and she has another page
Speaker 2: from like the Massoni granddaughter who is being so like
Speaker 2: I'm a mess and I'm not as organized as Rachel Zoe,
Speaker 2: but I wish she was like took more of her
Speaker 2: own advice and like was a little more or less
Speaker 2: like three magazines and the same modern lamp that like
Speaker 2: everyone has go wireless or compact in the kitchen, tuk
Speaker 2: away everything else involved in a Media Center. Also throughout
Speaker 2: this book she talks about travel and like me, She's like,
Speaker 2: always stalk your iPod. I'm like, and bring DVD. But
Speaker 2: then there's a photo of her and Roger on their.
Speaker 1: Bed with DVD. So many clickers in dvdps.
Speaker 2: And she is just a cheesy in dorm and has
Speaker 2: a frame photo of Johnny Depp that she got like
Speaker 2: blown up. It's like a little frame bridge in this way.
Speaker 1: Okay, wait what did she eat? Can I just this
Speaker 1: section where Amy Soco as in Bungalow E. If you
Speaker 1: don't know it, look it up. Yes. I went to
Speaker 1: Mangalo eight for a Diesel after party in two those
Speaker 1: and eight.
Speaker 2: Now here you are in your Diesel hoodie.
Speaker 1: I know, it's so crazy. And I went with the
Speaker 1: entire cast of Project Home By season three and I
Speaker 1: spent the whole night talking to Angela, who is completely insane.
Speaker 1: If you don't know her, look around corrupt Anyways, Amy
Speaker 1: Soco has a little piece on the at Home bar.
Speaker 1: The perfect host is always ready for an impromptu cocktail party.
Speaker 1: I know this all too well at Bungalow eight, where
Speaker 1: all kinds of friends show up at all kinds of hours,
Speaker 1: ready to have the time of their lives at your place.
Speaker 1: Having the following essentials and stock will make her personal
Speaker 1: bungalow just as great. The tools a cork, squirrel, a
Speaker 1: double jigger, a shaker, a cocktailspan is very just like, okay,
Speaker 1: the most normal things glasses old fashioned, those short scott
Speaker 1: ones are ready to go. I do agree, like a
Speaker 1: classic tumbler, like a short tumbler is the best, like
Speaker 1: a rocks.
Speaker 2: Glass basically, which I kind of like need.
Speaker 1: As opposed to like a high ball is really like
Speaker 1: I use her all the time.
Speaker 2: It's and I think good for guests.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also just like, oh I love the small
Speaker 1: color mo rocan glasses and you can get them to
Speaker 1: by the case, bottle service, vodka, bourbon, rum, tequil, legit.
Speaker 1: She's just listing all liquors. I do feel Rachel's sop
Speaker 1: has like a bar that's so hidden because she is
Speaker 1: so hidden fridge and it's like hidden in a cabinet.
Speaker 1: But like she's only drinking besides bubbles.
Speaker 2: No, she's very just like white wine and one glass
Speaker 2: of champagne because that's like, how else do you do
Speaker 2: so many events the night she's bubbles? I also think, yes,
Speaker 2: you should have a stalked bar, but I also think
Speaker 2: it's better to slim it down, like have a light
Speaker 2: in a dark, like maybe have a whiskey in a
Speaker 2: vodka and beer and wine. I don't think you need
Speaker 2: like gin whiskey rum vibe.
Speaker 1: I usually don't have like all five majors, but actually
Speaker 1: maybe I do have like a little bit of everything
Speaker 1: at some point.
Speaker 2: Anyway, she doesn't cook obviously, and like when she has
Speaker 2: this like housewarming for her friends and parents, she orders
Speaker 2: from Johnson third Famous.
Speaker 1: Where I was going to every day when I was
Speaker 1: staying at maybe friend of the Pod Blaine's house, I
Speaker 1: was in La and it's just like so like not
Speaker 1: even that good and expensive, but you're like, I'm so
Speaker 1: la and enrich, and I'm getting this.
Speaker 2: Chicken salad and like she's not eating, No one's eating. Yes,
Speaker 2: there was a bowl of curry chicken salad, being like
Speaker 2: is this a barn And there's like at a mama.
Speaker 1: Shoe ma, and she's having three bites and be like,
Speaker 1: I'm having way too much of this. She also invented
Speaker 1: Bethany in this way because both of them are bobbleheads.
Speaker 2: Bobbleheads who are like say.
Speaker 1: Type and scary and psychotic and caffeine and.
Speaker 2: Saying like I die and like being like coffee and
Speaker 2: like it's crazy. She doesn't even talk about coffee, even
Speaker 2: though it's like she's give me my like valium latte personality.
Speaker 1: I don't want to speak ntill I've had my all
Speaker 1: black or is she.
Speaker 2: So like vanilla latte and it's getting so like yeah,
Speaker 2: but then that feels like to me calories, So I'm like,
Speaker 2: she's just huge.
Speaker 1: But she's also the girl who like only gets her
Speaker 1: colories from coffee. That's true because she's had her massive
Speaker 1: like eight hundred calories star. She was like, I'm actually good,
Speaker 1: I already ate and she can have six grapes later.
Speaker 2: But then it's like she mentions once and here being
Speaker 2: like it's so good to take time with Roger making
Speaker 2: a late night meal. It's like you guys are.
Speaker 1: Not getting your fendy Costa kitchen dirty.
Speaker 2: No, because even he and that he was like we
Speaker 2: been like she's very kendal generally slicing one cucumber. Okay,
Speaker 2: what does she wear?
Speaker 1: I guess like metallic literally but also not.
Speaker 2: But also like when I think of Rachel's so specifically,
Speaker 2: I think of a really flowy silk then belted, belted
Speaker 2: hobo bag, metallic flats.
Speaker 1: Yeah, hair for day. He's basically like stealing clothing from
Speaker 1: the curve market and belting it for the size zero market.
Speaker 2: Stop stealing clothes from the curve market. Okay, leave some
Speaker 2: for us. Okay, who are you in the book?
Speaker 5: Like, I mean, I have Brad, but you're Brad but like, okay,
Speaker 5: sometimes you are like the most evil like Indie East
Speaker 5: villainch bartender girl, because I'm Indy, I'm fucking Indie, you.
Speaker 2: Loser, but you're being more these shirts are a mess.
Speaker 2: But I think it's more I'm tailor and you're Rachel
Speaker 2: So and like you're huge coffee and like because Rachel
Speaker 2: So doesn't have to be mean to Brad because she
Speaker 2: just takes like tailor to sushi and is like, can
Speaker 2: we just like talk like she has Taylor be mean
Speaker 2: to Brad, right, and so she can be fat and
Speaker 2: dirty work. You're fucking dirty work and I'm just being
Speaker 2: like so scared you're.
Speaker 1: BD, like calling me on your PDA being just like
Speaker 1: I'm so sick, and I'm like you actually to come in.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really sick, Like, well we're dressing duble messing,
Speaker 2: so come in. You can be sick when you're dead, bitch.
Speaker 2: I guess book was so fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I like that it's a textbook and it's
Speaker 1: so chock full of like insane advice about so.
Speaker 2: Much advice and like kind of like breakout. Well, there's
Speaker 2: also all this like fashion illustration, that.
Speaker 1: Much fashion illustration. I do love the photos of women
Speaker 1: in the two thousands.
Speaker 2: There's this like really blurry, blown up photos of just
Speaker 2: like Beascha Barton getting her hair done. Is It's really
Speaker 2: sad because this whole book is a bad She's like,
Speaker 2: Misha looks so cute, and she rocks her kads and
Speaker 2: jeans when she's done a sneakers and like all these
Speaker 2: just little like Misha does this, and Misha does she
Speaker 2: was on.
Speaker 1: Top of the world. She was so perfect period and
Speaker 1: I just feel so bad. And I guess that the
Speaker 1: thing is it's like when you're not a good actress.
Speaker 1: I just feel like she must have been a pill
Speaker 1: to be around or something, because I feel like she
Speaker 1: didn't retain a lot of like allies as she moved
Speaker 1: into adulthood and then she just got so fucked over
Speaker 1: and did all the wrong projects.
Speaker 2: She became like depressed and didn't make allies. And then
Speaker 2: I mean, Zoe loves her well.
Speaker 1: She did that. I don't know if they're still hanging out.
Speaker 2: No they aren't. And then she was on Dancing with
Speaker 2: the Stars and it was like really sad. Remember she
Speaker 2: was all smoking a bong in her car, so random
Speaker 2: new carbong. Anyway, I give this book like, it's.
Speaker 1: Hard to say. It's like some iconic. It's she's iconic,
Speaker 1: and like, go watch the Ritual Zoe Project. As a book,
Speaker 1: it's not very revealing, and like, frankly, a lot of
Speaker 1: the advice isn't like that good. It's not She's.
Speaker 2: Literally saying, you're bring gumb on a blaze. So like
Speaker 2: her personality, it's hard to because it's I'm alsomate with
Speaker 2: the Lauren Conra because funnier because Lauren's like dumber and
Speaker 2: more insane like her fashion. Zoe is such an icon
Speaker 2: so when she is being like bring gum, you are
Speaker 2: a little bit like, okay.
Speaker 1: Rachel, I guess I'm not actually going to recommend that
Speaker 1: people go out and buy this book. Yeah, give it
Speaker 1: like two out of five metallic flats, but I will
Speaker 1: say give the show like five out of five statement jewelries,
Speaker 1: jewelry talk, start listening.
Speaker 2: Two point eight stovepipe vintage Levi's out of five. I think.
Speaker 2: I mean, if you saw this at a thrift store,
Speaker 2: buy it, order it from thrift books. No, but I think,
Speaker 2: actually this would be really fun gift. Because she talks
Speaker 2: about alternative gifting. She was like, instead of bringing wine,
Speaker 2: bring a photo of you and the host over to
Speaker 2: someone's house, which I found so random.
Speaker 1: It's weird.
Speaker 2: It like an amazing housewarming gift or something like that
Speaker 2: for someone like a stylish friend who loves metallic flats.
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining if I went over to someone's house
Speaker 1: and I brought them a framed photo of me and
Speaker 1: them as a gift for just like a six person
Speaker 1: dinner party.
Speaker 2: I mean, people are already weirded out by that frame
Speaker 2: photo I now have in my house of us at
Speaker 2: the Russian Tea room that we were scammed into buying. Well,
Speaker 2: it's just like you're new and frame just kind of like,
Speaker 2: oh so you frame.
Speaker 1: That that kind of looks like a normal night. Okay,
Speaker 1: you guys, listen, it's fall.
Speaker 2: We need to buy more metallic flats and we need
Speaker 2: to get renewed by iHeart.
Speaker 1: We are up for renewal. And if you guys don't
Speaker 1: flood our Apple podcast page with good reviews, they will
Speaker 1: literally access from the lineup.
Speaker 2: Even if you've already made a review, like.
Speaker 1: It's under a pseudonym.
Speaker 2: Hilarious.
Speaker 1: I don't know one minute and forty five seconds out
Speaker 1: of your day to write a review and just.
Speaker 2: Say like I die, like I'm obsessed with them, so
Speaker 2: I am would mean the world.
Speaker 1: It would really mean the world to us. We love
Speaker 1: you so much.
Speaker 2: We die, We die for you, We literally die for you.
Speaker 1: We just want to keep giving you the content that
Speaker 1: you crave.
Speaker 2: We want to keep buying like coffee table textbooks.
Speaker 1: But yeah, we also need my meme.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like to keep on buying flats.
Speaker 1: Okay, I love you.
Speaker 2: Love me best. Our podcast is produced by Darby Masters,
Speaker 2: who has like really chic Island style, kind of like
Speaker 2: vintage Captains, et cetera. She throws like amazing President's Day parties.
Speaker 2: I die for her events our podcast. The supervisor producer
Speaker 2: is Abuzafar. He's an amazing American designer really doing new
Speaker 2: things like Dunham sandals.
Speaker 1: Our show was executive produced by Christina Everett. I die
Speaker 1: for her. She has incredible style. She always wears statement
Speaker 1: butterfly necklaces because she's such a free spirit. And I
Speaker 1: love that. Our engineer is Beheid Frazier, And I have
Speaker 1: to say, like, he's someone who is so high low
Speaker 1: and he'll mix still lettos with a foo door. Yes, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: he'll be like a Cashmir strug with a string bikini
Speaker 1: in the winter.
Speaker 2: So cute, and it's so unexpected.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually really really a ball, especially for as
Speaker 1: conservative in office as iHeart. I think it's really really
Speaker 1: brave of him.
Speaker 2: The music was done other by like one of my
Speaker 2: most favorite DJ, Stephen Phelips. Course, I saw him at
Speaker 2: Calm the other year. I died at his like remixes
Speaker 2: at the Bungalow eight pop up.
Speaker 1: I want to give a quick note and talk about
Speaker 1: our previous producers who we actually no longer work with
Speaker 1: my prolout projects. We have a falling out over actually
Speaker 1: Debrah Messine's dress at the two thousand and eight American
Speaker 1: Television Awards. It's fine, It's water under their bridge. I'll
Speaker 1: see him at Spago and we'll grab a martini. I'll
Speaker 1: have a few SIPs. So it's really not that big
Speaker 1: of a deal. And I wish him all the beasts
Speaker 1: in his future.
Speaker 2: Knows, I totally agree.
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