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Speaker 1: You've filthy horse, your husband's gone, and we've got books

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Speaker 1: it's gossip. I'm sure it's memoir, it's Martini. Celebrity Book Club,

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Speaker 1: Read it while it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Celebrity poop Club. Tell your secrets.

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Speaker 1: We won't talk celebrity books.

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Speaker 3: No boys are a loud celebrity book say it loud

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Speaker 3: and cloud Celebrity book Club.

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Speaker 2: Buzz me in. I brought the queer voe. Hi boss friend,

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Speaker 2: what's upstairs?

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Speaker 1: What's up your fucking bitch?

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Speaker 2: Like? And not much but everything. I'm like, so busy.

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Speaker 2: I'm so busy. Looks so fucking glamorous today.

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Speaker 1: Thank you. I'm just trying to keep it low key

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Speaker 1: but high key for the office and be appropriate but sexy.

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Speaker 2: I love how you're pairing a vintage prep Pulo Ralph

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's high Hello, but what's up with you? I'm exhausted,

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Speaker 2: I'm so busy. I was out of so many events

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Speaker 1: I actually felt so spoiler alert Rachel, so coming to

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Speaker 1: is most insane contraption ever engineered.

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Speaker 2: Wait, sorry, bebe before it gets like warm. Yeah, good

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Speaker 2: conversation always goes best over chilled bubbling.

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Speaker 1: Oh, that's an amazing because it's the tiniest bottle of

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So I just like actually had them left over

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Speaker 1: Oh, were you doing an event at home? Are you

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Speaker 2: I was doing an event workspace, And it's always good

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Speaker 2: to have if you're having ten people over order for fifteen.

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Speaker 2: So of course, yeah, I had ton of these really

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Speaker 2: cute and Mowa mini bottles to give out his gifts.

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Speaker 1: Mini bottles are so fun because you're so generous because

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Speaker 2: Believe you're not fighting.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, there's nothing worse than girls fighting over a bottle

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Speaker 2: And it's just a little accents that make you feel

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Speaker 1: So just what did that rent you? What is a

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Speaker 2: To be perfectly honest, I did buy this in mentim

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Speaker 2: for recording when you said you were late. This is

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Speaker 2: Can I ask our engineer, would you like a little splash?

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Speaker 1: I mean Moe does a great classic classic standard. It

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Speaker 1: Probably one of the most prominent, not the most, like

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Speaker 2: Rachel Zoe and Harbuck Style.

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Speaker 1: The Art of Fashion, Beauty and Everything Glamour by Rachel

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Speaker 1: Live Tyler. I think it's important to allow yourself this

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Speaker 2: And then she says, right with puka shells, I love

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Speaker 2: she's always been like a don Over pipe but underpack

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Speaker 2: a Rolex my engagement and wedding rings. Of course I die.

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Speaker 1: So it's so crazy that they got divorced, like last month.

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Speaker 2: I know this episode's be so hot.

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Speaker 1: How did she know that we were about to read

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Speaker 2: It's really so insane because it's like she's just not

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Speaker 2: To go in and be like, oh, thank you so much, No, sir,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I'm just being like I just want to see

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And then you're not like insecure about them, worrying

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Speaker 2: Oh you think this is funny?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh, you're gonna make me run around because like

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Speaker 1: at any time and up Chase Sapphire preferred like it's

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Speaker 2: and then it just went over. Yeah, my sister and

439
00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:35,159
Speaker 2: I would buy like seventeen wym. It was like the

440
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:40,080
Speaker 2: classic like teen magazine that had the embarrassing stories about

441
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 2: like getting your period on a guy and then quizzes

442
00:21:43,840 --> 00:21:46,040
Speaker 2: and like an article and then like fashion spreads that

443
00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,679
Speaker 2: were so like Cosmo for teens because yeah, and it

444
00:21:48,760 --> 00:21:50,840
Speaker 2: was like sex advice and like how to put in

445
00:21:50,880 --> 00:21:53,040
Speaker 2: a tampon, Like everything was just like I have seven

446
00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:54,200
Speaker 2: tampons in me at once.

447
00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,760
Speaker 1: I loved teen Vogue, which I subscribed to for a

448
00:21:56,800 --> 00:21:59,879
Speaker 1: while as an actual teen, and that was small. That

449
00:22:00,240 --> 00:22:04,239
Speaker 1: was small, and like tvag was cool because it was

450
00:22:04,520 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 1: very like the magazine Jennifer Garner comes up with at

451
00:22:07,920 --> 00:22:09,840
Speaker 1: the end of thirteen going up three, like it was

452
00:22:09,840 --> 00:22:13,960
Speaker 1: always it was more positive and like collages of like

453
00:22:14,040 --> 00:22:15,960
Speaker 1: interiors like there was just like a lot of like

454
00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: overall design inspiration in that magazine, and I didn't feel

455
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Speaker 1: like it was too prescriptive. It didn't feel too like

456
00:22:22,600 --> 00:22:24,640
Speaker 1: girl like, oh, I'm not allowed to read this because

457
00:22:24,680 --> 00:22:27,760
Speaker 1: I'm a boy. And it wasn't so period stories.

458
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Speaker 2: Also as like maybe she left y m teen. Vogue

459
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Speaker 2: came about when we were like fifteen, sixteen and more

460
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Speaker 2: was like you are teen, you have power to like

461
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Speaker 2: shop them thrill.

462
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Speaker 1: And they were doing like actual editorials, like actual fashion spreads,

463
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Speaker 1: because I don't think Wyam was really doing that, I.

464
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Speaker 2: Know when I was like fashion es. Yeah, it was

465
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Speaker 2: very like this girls wearing maybe like a roxy tank

466
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Speaker 2: candy sneakers, like a denim shrug. We should look up

467
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Speaker 2: what her spread shrug. She's always just like how glamorous

468
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Speaker 2: does Deborah Messing?

469
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Speaker 1: Look at this her shrug and you know what she does.

470
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Speaker 1: So then she starts working at Halston. She gets like

471
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Speaker 1: a job like archiving in Halston, which is such a

472
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Speaker 1: dream for her literal dream, and she kind of works

473
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Speaker 1: your way U very quickly. It's one of those things

474
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Speaker 1: where like when you're getting into an industry in the

475
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Speaker 1: seventies and eighties, nineties, like I'll say it, if you

476
00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: are like interested in something, you can kind of just

477
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Speaker 1: hop in. Like there isn't so much competition because it's

478
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Speaker 1: pre Internet and you're not like competing against a thousand interns,

479
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Speaker 1: and like if you actually care and you're hungry, like

480
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Speaker 1: you'll be wanted and you'll be Yeah.

481
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Speaker 2: I think if you pound on the door in this

482
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Speaker 2: very like kind of eighties way and like write your

483
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Speaker 2: big letter on scented paper and legally blonde, Yeah, how

484
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Speaker 2: did you get your CNN internship?

485
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Speaker 1: You know? It's funny. Actually I had a teacher at

486
00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,320
Speaker 1: NYU who had worked at CNN, and he like taught

487
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Speaker 1: this class on the news media, and like he encouraged

488
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Speaker 1: me to apply for the internship. I think like wrote

489
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Speaker 1: a letter or whatever, and like I got it. I'm

490
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Speaker 1: not sure how competitive it was, but that's.

491
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Speaker 2: What I'm thinking about the competition where it was like

492
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Speaker 2: when I applied to my Springer internship.

493
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Speaker 1: I do think it because I did go to NYU,

494
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Speaker 1: and like, I think part of what you're paying for

495
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Speaker 1: and by you, I mean my parents is like the

496
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Speaker 1: internship office, because it's like then I got the CBS

497
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Speaker 1: News internship, I got the w it's made for Internet.

498
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Speaker 1: So they just kind of were like, here are the

499
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Speaker 1: internships you could apply for, and then you apply for

500
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Speaker 1: it and you got it. But obviously it's like enormously talented,

501
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:31,920
Speaker 1: and you're enormously talented and was built for news. I

502
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Speaker 1: also lied on.

503
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Speaker 2: My internship application period two Springer and said I had

504
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Speaker 2: interned for a close friend's father.

505
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Speaker 1: I mean, I led in my internship to n YU.

506
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Speaker 2: So you guys, I lie.

507
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Speaker 1: I said that I was treasurer of the art club,

508
00:24:48,680 --> 00:24:50,800
Speaker 1: but like I was treasurer of my own art club,

509
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Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

510
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Speaker 3: I was shopping, Yeah, Celebrity book Club.

511
00:25:04,880 --> 00:25:06,720
Speaker 2: Okay, so she's archiving for Halston.

512
00:25:07,119 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: Like wait, I always love the popping cork on a

513
00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:16,159
Speaker 1: bottle of champagne. In that very instant, the loud seems

514
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: to signal a crazy burst of excitement, conjuring all kinds

515
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:22,760
Speaker 1: of thrills, Stepping out your front door with the biggest

516
00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 1: smile and highest heels, hanging out with your favorite people

517
00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:28,199
Speaker 1: and laughing until it hurts, jetting away from home to

518
00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,800
Speaker 1: an even more thrilling place, living it up because you're

519
00:25:30,840 --> 00:25:34,480
Speaker 1: truly alive. There's an intrinsic change to those three very

520
00:25:34,520 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: simple words, living it up. It's about being happy, positive, alive.

521
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Speaker 1: There's something so h can the brevity of the phrase,

522
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Speaker 1: as if it were a synonym for style itself. On

523
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Speaker 1: those nights when we live it up, we feel our

524
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Speaker 1: most glamorous, are most confident.

525
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Speaker 2: Right, I mean eryod literally period.

526
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Speaker 1: This book to me is a little bit like if

527
00:25:56,160 --> 00:26:00,680
Speaker 1: Lauren Conrad like was educated. Yes, because Lauren Conrade's book

528
00:26:00,720 --> 00:26:03,040
Speaker 1: is almost written by like an alien. This book is

529
00:26:03,280 --> 00:26:06,320
Speaker 1: lives inside a Walmart and like Rachel so like is smart,

530
00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: but like she is, like it's this basic manifesto and

531
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:11,679
Speaker 1: she's just like this is what girls want. Ladies like

532
00:26:11,920 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: we watch sex in the city, we want heels.

533
00:26:14,119 --> 00:26:17,080
Speaker 2: We're glamorous. Like. It's also very this response to like

534
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:20,639
Speaker 2: this nineties like, oh so we're all in casual trainers

535
00:26:20,720 --> 00:26:24,040
Speaker 2: now No, Like I would say one of the biggest

536
00:26:24,080 --> 00:26:27,560
Speaker 2: thesis I took away from this is just be glamorous

537
00:26:27,600 --> 00:26:31,840
Speaker 2: and like always, no matter the occasion. And she goes

538
00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:35,080
Speaker 2: through many occasions, but it's like show respect to the

539
00:26:35,200 --> 00:26:39,840
Speaker 2: event and person you are seeing by dressing fabulous.

540
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Speaker 1: I totally agree with that. There's also a theory that

541
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: I'm just perklating right now. I think we've heard somewhere

542
00:26:44,480 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: else too, though, But like, if you think about the

543
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Speaker 1: nineties as being a time of like really intense casualness

544
00:26:50,560 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 1: and the evolution of style. Yeah, so you have like

545
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Speaker 1: there's that pood. Do you want to go jet off

546
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Speaker 1: somewhere with your best friends and left till it hurts?

547
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Speaker 2: Yea? And I want a pack, I don't know, something

548
00:27:01,600 --> 00:27:06,240
Speaker 2: for single girlfriends, tons of cool frocks, short heels.

549
00:27:06,720 --> 00:27:09,040
Speaker 1: So I think the nineties were this time of like

550
00:27:09,320 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: basically we reached the peak of casualness in the course

551
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 1: of fashion history. So on the one hand, it's like

552
00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,800
Speaker 1: people were just being comfortable going out in yoga pants

553
00:27:18,800 --> 00:27:21,159
Speaker 1: and like exercise where which hadn't really happened, I mean

554
00:27:21,280 --> 00:27:23,360
Speaker 1: sort of happened like in the eighties. Yeah, and then

555
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:25,679
Speaker 1: like you had like grunge and then like American sports

556
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:29,080
Speaker 1: wearing Tommy Hill figure and like the urban revolution and

557
00:27:29,080 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 1: logos and so like casualness was becoming like more of

558
00:27:32,359 --> 00:27:34,800
Speaker 1: like a thing that like people could do as like

559
00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:38,400
Speaker 1: an intentional look, as an outfit. But as the new

560
00:27:38,440 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: millennium rolls around, there becomes this reaction and I think

561
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,280
Speaker 1: if you look in fashion history, and have heard this

562
00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:49,840
Speaker 1: before that every turn of the century fashion gets a

563
00:27:49,840 --> 00:27:52,560
Speaker 1: little more conservative again and empire wastes come back.

564
00:27:52,840 --> 00:27:53,280
Speaker 2: Huh.

565
00:27:53,320 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: It's like almost like this reset, people like, oh, we're

566
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,080
Speaker 1: going back in time, like we need to like be

567
00:27:57,320 --> 00:28:00,520
Speaker 1: like Edwardian again. And so I I think there's a

568
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,800
Speaker 1: little bit of that and her being this creature of

569
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:05,960
Speaker 1: the two thousands, there's a slight reaction against the casualness

570
00:28:06,520 --> 00:28:07,400
Speaker 1: of the nineties.

571
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 2: Also not even casual, but I would say the high

572
00:28:09,960 --> 00:28:12,520
Speaker 2: prep of it all right, because if we're looking at

573
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Speaker 2: like just like the casual office and like the gapness

574
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:20,520
Speaker 2: of everything of being like I'm in like khakis. M

575
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Speaker 2: Obviously there was a lot of people who weren't being

576
00:28:23,520 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: khakis in the nineties, but it's like khakis were around

577
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Speaker 2: and big, and then it's like two thousands is like

578
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:34,159
Speaker 2: we're actually rockers, but rockers not in a grungeway rock gun.

579
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Speaker 1: It's getting more form fitting. Well, this actually is interesting

580
00:28:36,760 --> 00:28:39,200
Speaker 1: because it gets back into the history of pants, which

581
00:28:39,240 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: I looked into for that article I wrote a year

582
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Speaker 1: ago for Mister Porter. But like how the mail leg

583
00:28:45,720 --> 00:28:51,920
Speaker 1: and showing the male leg became more common as we

584
00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:56,479
Speaker 1: moved away from the Renaissance era, and like it became

585
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Speaker 1: about like men showing their masculinity and different through the

586
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: leg and differentiating themselves from the boys. And there's scrawny

587
00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: little chicken legs and big.

588
00:29:04,840 --> 00:29:08,000
Speaker 2: Shorts and it's like, right now, we're in this insane

589
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:11,880
Speaker 2: pants revolution that's rejecting Rachel's Doe's era.

590
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,880
Speaker 1: And yet it's ironically embracing rachel' z Tho's era. I

591
00:29:15,880 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: know point now where every size of pant can be rocked.

592
00:29:21,160 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't think super skinny, even though so many

593
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:25,600
Speaker 2: people are doing it. Still.

594
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Speaker 1: I think like men who are would be qualified as

595
00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,520
Speaker 1: fashionable in today's modern times are not doing super skinny,

596
00:29:32,680 --> 00:29:37,360
Speaker 1: but they are doing somewhat skinny. There's a skinny slim.

597
00:29:37,120 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 2: She loves stove pipe harres.

598
00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,840
Speaker 1: To jetting off with your goal to jetting off.

599
00:29:44,120 --> 00:29:45,920
Speaker 2: When she says something so funny in this book where

600
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Speaker 2: she's like we all have like our problem areas and

601
00:29:48,680 --> 00:29:50,720
Speaker 2: like places in our body we hate, she goes even

602
00:29:50,760 --> 00:29:53,960
Speaker 2: supermodel and then she goes, don't roll your eyes, which

603
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:57,200
Speaker 2: I was obsessed with. Yeah, she was like, don't roll

604
00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,520
Speaker 2: your eyes. That like super you know, Nicole Richie may

605
00:29:59,560 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 2: hate her arms.

606
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: Well, she also calls herself curvy though.

607
00:30:03,720 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 2: No, it's the which is the most shocking.

608
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,480
Speaker 1: But then I was thinking how the word curvy has evolved,

609
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 1: because now curvy means like the plus size market. Yeah,

610
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:17,800
Speaker 1: and that's been something that like I've been at the

611
00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:20,440
Speaker 1: forefront of, like someone who is like branded plus size

612
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: women's clothing companies where it's like we say the curve

613
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 1: market now, but it's like curvy. Why does curvy mean big?

614
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,200
Speaker 1: Because I could draw a line on this piece of paper. Okay,

615
00:30:31,280 --> 00:30:33,240
Speaker 1: that's a curve. That's not big, that's thin.

616
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:35,920
Speaker 2: Because it's meaning right hips, but you can have a

617
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 2: pretty snatched waist in a huge ass.

618
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,680
Speaker 1: Like am I people, I am actually curvy, literally thin

619
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Speaker 1: and curvy, because you do have hips. I have hips.

620
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,400
Speaker 1: I'm like literally thinn and curvy, So what about me?

621
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,320
Speaker 2: No, And honestly, I would say, like I'm sturdy, not curvy.

622
00:30:54,400 --> 00:30:56,440
Speaker 2: I think, like I don't think. I mean, yeah, when

623
00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: I had like big old titties, like maybe that was curvy.

624
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say you have an hour glass figure? No,

625
00:31:04,800 --> 00:31:05,200
Speaker 1: and I don't.

626
00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 2: I'm like, I wouldn't say I have like such a don't.

627
00:31:07,440 --> 00:31:11,200
Speaker 1: Drop like you qualify as the curve market.

628
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:15,240
Speaker 2: Right like I probably would when I'm shopping for basics.

629
00:31:17,080 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 2: This is such an amazing quote. If you show up

630
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 2: looking a bit more glad than the rest, what's the

631
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 2: worst case scenario? You look the best in the room.

632
00:31:23,960 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: Okay, I kind of take issue with this, though.

633
00:31:26,360 --> 00:31:27,920
Speaker 2: I want to talk about this because I feel like

634
00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 2: it's something that I.

635
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,480
Speaker 1: Think there's something so embarrassing when you arrive, when you're

636
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 1: super dressed up at everyone's so casual in a fucking

637
00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: heather hoodie.

638
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 2: Well she says, you have an ow you can say,

639
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,560
Speaker 2: I'm going somewhere else after this. And that happened to

640
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: me once when I was going to an engagement party

641
00:31:42,280 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 2: and I went to just like an airbrush event at

642
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,680
Speaker 2: Singers before and everyone was like, oh my god, you

643
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 2: look amazing, Like why are you in a blazer?

644
00:31:49,640 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: But you were going I literally was.

645
00:31:51,320 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 2: And I got to just go to everyone I've been

646
00:31:54,280 --> 00:31:57,880
Speaker 2: after this. This is a reading. Consider the time, and

647
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,240
Speaker 2: at Sunday at four pm, chances are it's not a

648
00:32:00,240 --> 00:32:02,720
Speaker 2: black taieth ad. If it's a Saturday night weddings after

649
00:32:02,760 --> 00:32:05,000
Speaker 2: six pm, it most certainly calls for a formal looks

650
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 2: a weekend brunch or an afternoon tea, celebrating a birthday

651
00:32:07,960 --> 00:32:10,800
Speaker 2: or baby shower, calls for a little dress, stay away

652
00:32:10,800 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 2: from satin or other shiny fabrics per day, and resist black.

653
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 2: I love black, but during the day, go with some color.

654
00:32:16,480 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 2: If prefer darker shades, then try navy or brown or

655
00:32:19,200 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 2: deep jewel tone, but generally I prefer white, creams or even.

656
00:32:22,320 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: Pastels jewel tone.

657
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:25,760
Speaker 2: And then she's like, jeans are fine, but skip the

658
00:32:25,760 --> 00:32:29,560
Speaker 2: scruffy T shirt for a halter or a puncho. If

659
00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,520
Speaker 2: it's a pool party, do not forget to cover up,

660
00:32:31,560 --> 00:32:34,280
Speaker 2: be it a calftan or oversized scarf. No one really

661
00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:37,040
Speaker 2: wants to see her bare booty, regardless how fabulous it is.

662
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 2: While they're digging into their dinner. She kind of is

663
00:32:40,040 --> 00:32:43,239
Speaker 2: always like, don't show cleavage, but like, don't show too

664
00:32:43,320 --> 00:32:43,800
Speaker 2: much leg.

665
00:32:44,080 --> 00:32:45,880
Speaker 1: And this comes back to this sort of turn of

666
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:48,880
Speaker 1: the century like conservatism reaction area that I'm talking about.

667
00:32:49,160 --> 00:32:52,920
Speaker 1: But I do think that maybe like that is changing now.

668
00:32:53,400 --> 00:32:57,080
Speaker 1: We're almost like wearing a button down with jeans versus

669
00:32:57,120 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: wearing a ratty T shirt with jeans. The ratty T

670
00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:03,640
Speaker 1: shirt actually looks cooler. Yeah, because the button down with jeans,

671
00:33:03,640 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 1: like there's something that's trying so hard. Where's a button

672
00:33:06,640 --> 00:33:10,719
Speaker 1: down with dress pants? Is like, oh, you're so confident

673
00:33:10,760 --> 00:33:11,880
Speaker 1: to wear this, to wear this.

674
00:33:12,080 --> 00:33:14,800
Speaker 2: Yes, because something about the button down with jeans is

675
00:33:14,840 --> 00:33:18,200
Speaker 2: a little bit like o gray, like here's a meeting.

676
00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:20,800
Speaker 1: What's interesting is they almost do think that fashion has

677
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:24,360
Speaker 1: become more costume me in the past fifteen years, and

678
00:33:24,400 --> 00:33:27,160
Speaker 1: like everyone is basically kind of in a costume now.

679
00:33:27,240 --> 00:33:29,320
Speaker 2: But couldn't you see that in the seventies.

680
00:33:29,480 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 1: Well no, because the seventies literally was the seventies. But

681
00:33:32,480 --> 00:33:34,760
Speaker 1: you know, but now people are dressing like they're in

682
00:33:34,760 --> 00:33:37,280
Speaker 1: a seventies I was. You go to Dimes Square of Silver, like,

683
00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,040
Speaker 1: and everyone looks like they're in Fleetwood Mac and they're

684
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: wearing like the tightest little T shirt and my pants.

685
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:41,680
Speaker 3: Ya.

686
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:43,479
Speaker 2: No. I saw a girl the other day in an

687
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 2: event and she was dressed like full almost famous, and

688
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 2: that I found actually like sad and embarrassing. Where I

689
00:33:49,880 --> 00:33:52,560
Speaker 2: was like, you could have nodded to the seventies. You

690
00:33:52,600 --> 00:33:55,040
Speaker 2: could have done like flares and a top, but like

691
00:33:55,520 --> 00:33:57,960
Speaker 2: the full patches of flowers on the hat.

692
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: Right, You're like, what about this metallic.

693
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,640
Speaker 2: Flats, metallic plots, hobo bag with fringe, like be a

694
00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 2: little bit rocker. I think it's like to the over

695
00:34:09,120 --> 00:34:12,080
Speaker 2: dressing point is like, it's more just like dressed to

696
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,399
Speaker 2: have fun, and I think people will see that if

697
00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:16,799
Speaker 2: you're having fun, they'll have fun.

698
00:34:17,560 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: Broach the subject. You have no idea how many times

699
00:34:20,560 --> 00:34:23,200
Speaker 1: in my line of work a broach has saved the day.

700
00:34:23,600 --> 00:34:26,000
Speaker 1: Nicole Richie and I were in Las Vegas for an event,

701
00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,120
Speaker 1: just time that events are referred to as an event.

702
00:34:29,920 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 2: Which is by the way, listening to her podcast today,

703
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:34,680
Speaker 2: she literally said she grew tired of events, which is

704
00:34:34,719 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 2: so crazy because this whole book is about her going

705
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: to events.

706
00:34:37,200 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: I can't imagine ever going to kind of events, and

707
00:34:39,520 --> 00:34:43,960
Speaker 1: if I do, take me out back, shoot me. Nicole

708
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: rich and I were in Las Vegas for an event,

709
00:34:45,920 --> 00:34:48,600
Speaker 1: already on her way to the party when she realized

710
00:34:48,680 --> 00:34:51,920
Speaker 1: the dress she was wearing was too constricting to dance in.

711
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: This dawned on her as we were walking through the

712
00:34:55,400 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 1: forum shops at Caesar's.

713
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 2: That lied screamed, just a forum shops.

714
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:05,040
Speaker 1: It's dawned on her when we were in the forum

715
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: shops at.

716
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:08,160
Speaker 2: Caesar's walking through being like, you know, oh my.

717
00:35:08,160 --> 00:35:11,360
Speaker 1: God, this dress, it's too constricted. She's like carrying the

718
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:13,400
Speaker 1: wedding dress. Get it off, Get it off.

719
00:35:13,880 --> 00:35:16,319
Speaker 2: So maybe she was walking through the shops being like

720
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: I can hardly even walk through the Forum shops because

721
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:20,840
Speaker 2: I mean, think about walking through Caesar's.

722
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:23,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, so they go to the shops of the Caesars.

723
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,080
Speaker 1: We walked right into Gucci and found a dress we liked,

724
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: a coral colored, pleading, cocky dress. There was only one,

725
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: and it was a size ten. Luckily there was a

726
00:35:33,320 --> 00:35:35,359
Speaker 1: decorative brooch on the front of the dress. I took

727
00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,560
Speaker 1: the brooch off the front, cinched half the dress back,

728
00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: and pinned it. Just like that. The size ten fit

729
00:35:41,200 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: her small frame perfectly. That's genius.

730
00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: It's so genius, and I love how Also, like, this

731
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,640
Speaker 2: book is way more about like how to fit thin

732
00:35:50,760 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 2: girls into bigger clothes, Yeah, not like how to be

733
00:35:53,760 --> 00:35:56,120
Speaker 2: a bigger girl like rock clothes.

734
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, you're not going to put a size

735
00:35:58,840 --> 00:36:01,480
Speaker 1: ten girl in his size two zero with a magical brooch.

736
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:04,760
Speaker 1: That working the other way around.

737
00:36:06,800 --> 00:36:08,800
Speaker 2: My sister wrode with a magical brooch.

738
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:15,560
Speaker 1: Let's get into the travel section. This section is It's Crazy.

739
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:18,400
Speaker 2: By the way, just before we start off, Harvey Weinstein

740
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 2: is heavily featured in this book, and she talks about

741
00:36:21,480 --> 00:36:24,680
Speaker 2: how like she was on a three day business trip,

742
00:36:25,160 --> 00:36:26,440
Speaker 2: like styling.

743
00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:29,200
Speaker 1: Everywhere.

744
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 2: She's like styling Deborah Messing or Nicole Ritchie or something

745
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:34,000
Speaker 2: like that. And then she's like, and then a powerful

746
00:36:34,080 --> 00:36:36,920
Speaker 2: player asked me to go to con and then it's

747
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:38,719
Speaker 2: like so many photos of her and Harvey, So I

748
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:40,480
Speaker 2: think it's gonna go ahead and be Harvey.

749
00:36:40,640 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 1: I feel like he wasn't really.

750
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:48,800
Speaker 2: I think he knew like he needed her to style

751
00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,000
Speaker 2: his girls, but she didn't need him. No, so it

752
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:53,480
Speaker 2: didn't didn't make sense.

753
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, he couldn't give her anything. I mean they wanted

754
00:36:56,080 --> 00:36:58,040
Speaker 1: to work with Rachel. Everyone wanted to work with Rachel.

755
00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Packing my clients for a trip, but Truman and fit

756
00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:02,600
Speaker 1: much of what we need to glam them up for

757
00:37:02,640 --> 00:37:04,600
Speaker 1: a prece event way in advance. But even then a

758
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: backup look or twenty might be thrown into the last minute,

759
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,320
Speaker 1: particularly extra heels and bags. The entire level is carefully

760
00:37:10,360 --> 00:37:12,240
Speaker 1: wrapped in stuff with tissue paper and ship by FedEx

761
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:15,879
Speaker 1: to a destination. Well almost the entire lot when there's

762
00:37:15,920 --> 00:37:18,560
Speaker 1: a little room for backup. My sisters or I might

763
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,400
Speaker 1: hand carry a gown on board. Take note if you

764
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: can't risk it because it's an valuary, I really love it.

765
00:37:22,560 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: Don't leave it to chance or bag of handlers who

766
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: could potentially send it on a fourteen hour flight to Pretoria.

767
00:37:27,560 --> 00:37:29,239
Speaker 1: Take it with you as a carry on. Of course,

768
00:37:29,280 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: if it's a six seater plane going to a photo

769
00:37:31,480 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: shoot and a Caribbean island, the pilot himself might deny

770
00:37:34,520 --> 00:37:36,759
Speaker 1: my bringing a gown, no matter how hibulous it is

771
00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:38,680
Speaker 1: into the tiny cabin. In those cases, you have to

772
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: hope for the best and pray that it arriots on

773
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:41,800
Speaker 1: the cargo flight.

774
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm obsessed with the part where it's just like

775
00:37:45,480 --> 00:37:47,640
Speaker 2: in the bag, like different types of like way to

776
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 2: pack for like different types of trips, single girlfriends, sexy dresses,

777
00:37:51,480 --> 00:37:53,320
Speaker 2: high heels, and lots of Juliet for a riot of

778
00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 2: a time, family, more comfortable outfits and not as many

779
00:37:56,400 --> 00:37:59,239
Speaker 2: options because you can repeat looks with your family, which

780
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:02,680
Speaker 2: I'm obsessed with the only time you're repeating significant others

781
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 2: their favorite things in yours, including those little nothings that

782
00:38:06,040 --> 00:38:10,200
Speaker 2: can make your trip sucksier, business associates, business tire that

783
00:38:10,239 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 2: doesn't easily wrinkle, including a dress, the option in case

784
00:38:13,400 --> 00:38:15,320
Speaker 2: dinner follows the big meetings.

785
00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:18,560
Speaker 1: I do feel like this whole section is a little

786
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:21,359
Speaker 1: bit the opposite of this Reddit communityum part of called

787
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 1: her one bag.

788
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 2: It's really opposite her one bag because she says only

789
00:38:26,560 --> 00:38:29,120
Speaker 2: do carry on for a three day trip.

790
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: Where it's like she's checking the most massive suitcases for

791
00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:33,359
Speaker 1: a five day trip.

792
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:37,920
Speaker 2: She's very my HouseGuest, Mickey Blonco coming with three full sized,

793
00:38:38,280 --> 00:38:39,160
Speaker 2: massive suitcases.

794
00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: Just go start with shoes at the bottom. I put

795
00:38:41,320 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: mine in sacks, either those that come with the shoes

796
00:38:43,719 --> 00:38:47,160
Speaker 1: or draws the don't get scratched. Then next layer is

797
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: jeans folded in half, then layer everything else. So I

798
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:52,400
Speaker 1: do put jeans at the bottom, but I don't put

799
00:38:52,440 --> 00:38:54,880
Speaker 1: shoes at bottom. I put shoes on the side, so

800
00:38:54,920 --> 00:38:57,000
Speaker 1: I separate shoes. I put like one shoe on a

801
00:38:57,040 --> 00:39:00,359
Speaker 1: sign and one shoe on another side, not together. No,

802
00:39:00,880 --> 00:39:02,319
Speaker 1: but I do carry in for a month, and I

803
00:39:02,360 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 1: still have plenty of room and plenty of clothes.

804
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:05,560
Speaker 2: Plenty of room.

805
00:39:05,680 --> 00:39:08,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, with my gorgeous expandable samsonit.

806
00:39:08,280 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 2: You changed my life with that Samsonite because I bought it.

807
00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,080
Speaker 1: We'll put it like a page.

808
00:39:12,480 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 2: My favorite thing that she says to pack, which was insane.

809
00:39:16,320 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 2: Again to reference my HouseGuest Mickey Blanco guest on the pod,

810
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:23,960
Speaker 2: so she says, I always carry a hard paper calendar.

811
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:25,600
Speaker 1: That's so weird.

812
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 2: Blanco comes to my house, No unpacks like a Tiffany's like, no,

813
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 2: full ass walk not only a calendar and has the

814
00:39:35,960 --> 00:39:42,720
Speaker 2: same exact Amazon witch calendar that maya house like full

815
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:47,080
Speaker 2: ass like kitchen drawings of witchy.

816
00:39:46,840 --> 00:39:50,239
Speaker 1: Girls, not just like photos of like sexy witches noes.

817
00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,880
Speaker 2: We're drawings of sexy witches van art kind of ye

818
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,920
Speaker 2: and art. And it was like and he was like,

819
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: I carry too. He was actually so Rachel's though.

820
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,480
Speaker 1: He was like I carried to kind of filled it

821
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: out with like sharpie.

822
00:40:02,440 --> 00:40:05,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, and it was like folded in the bag.

823
00:40:05,719 --> 00:40:07,680
Speaker 1: Because it just needs a large visual.

824
00:40:08,080 --> 00:40:11,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's so weird. I mean I love having writing

825
00:40:11,640 --> 00:40:13,879
Speaker 2: down things on my big calendar my kitchen. I don't

826
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,080
Speaker 2: know if I'm traveling.

827
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,839
Speaker 1: With it, yeah, I mean personally I use Google, cow

828
00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,239
Speaker 1: icw whatever like that does function for me pretty But like.

829
00:40:22,200 --> 00:40:26,120
Speaker 2: If you have your hobo bag. She also says like

830
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:28,440
Speaker 2: write down what you need.

831
00:40:28,400 --> 00:40:34,400
Speaker 1: Okay, makings of a bonvoyage, purpose business, weather report, hot

832
00:40:34,560 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: or cold pack, separate, think me, mixed and matches, a

833
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:40,320
Speaker 1: complete professional outfits, A white bluff thing go with a

834
00:40:40,360 --> 00:40:45,040
Speaker 1: skirt suit and jeans, a pretty canasol. The fucking strangle

835
00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,680
Speaker 1: hold that camasols had on women in the early two thousands.

836
00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:51,320
Speaker 2: Camsol over, camesol over cameras.

837
00:40:51,360 --> 00:40:53,480
Speaker 1: I feel like your sister had, Like she probably had

838
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:56,239
Speaker 1: camocels and they had that little the lace.

839
00:40:56,160 --> 00:40:58,520
Speaker 2: No, the little lace at the top that was maybe

840
00:40:58,560 --> 00:41:01,080
Speaker 2: half an inch. Yeah, And honestly I had a few

841
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 2: of those too before I became the badass pimp I am.

842
00:41:05,040 --> 00:41:09,000
Speaker 2: I had these, like the lace Candy, the lace Lion

843
00:41:09,480 --> 00:41:12,600
Speaker 2: I had. It was yeah, but it was still a

844
00:41:12,600 --> 00:41:15,560
Speaker 2: little more like a wife pleaser. It was like from

845
00:41:15,680 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 2: Urban and it was like a black tank with a tiny, tiny,

846
00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:21,720
Speaker 2: tiny bit of lace.

847
00:41:21,760 --> 00:41:24,520
Speaker 1: I think, huh, that actually does kind of sound sexy.

848
00:41:24,640 --> 00:41:26,680
Speaker 2: I thought it was kind of like Rocker in London

849
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,239
Speaker 2: and Trondreness act.

850
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:29,720
Speaker 1: I mean, bring that back.

851
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 2: Sorry, this is for when it's holiday cold. Don't forget

852
00:41:33,120 --> 00:41:40,000
Speaker 2: a hat. Newsboy, Beanie cap, floppy will beret, anything that folds, gloves, sunglasses.

853
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,279
Speaker 1: Pack hosiery, but never skinning colored. Don't forget a belter

854
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,759
Speaker 1: who distension, bulky sweaters, addresses at the hips or waist,

855
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:48,040
Speaker 1: and a wrap that can double as a scarf or shawl.

856
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:52,880
Speaker 1: I'm actually getting so confused. Everything has this like multi

857
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 1: dimensional like three piece shawl sweater, wrappable hats.

858
00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:00,680
Speaker 2: Wait, we haven't even gotten to like the show. And

859
00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 2: just like Curtain Brad and there fallout and just like

860
00:42:03,400 --> 00:42:04,840
Speaker 2: her fallout, all too a tailor.

861
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,360
Speaker 1: I mean everyone in that show is like a monster.

862
00:42:09,280 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 1: Taylor is so funny.

863
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:13,520
Speaker 2: You're so evil and like she's really trying to like

864
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,840
Speaker 2: raz Brad.

865
00:42:15,080 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: She's the most like classic East Village evil bartender, like so.

866
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:24,439
Speaker 2: True where she's just being like fucking like Rebecca took

867
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:27,640
Speaker 2: all my shifts. Yeah, like and she has this insane

868
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:30,200
Speaker 2: choppy like Taylor moms and cut.

869
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:35,160
Speaker 1: And she's so mean to Brad. She's so abusive to

870
00:42:35,239 --> 00:42:38,799
Speaker 1: this poor gate intern, just being like he's like all

871
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 1: the dresses got soaked because Rachel's garage flooded in the range.

872
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,880
Speaker 1: She's just like you need to deal with this. I

873
00:42:45,920 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: have to go to the reress please get it together,

874
00:42:48,600 --> 00:42:49,640
Speaker 1: that dresses.

875
00:42:49,239 --> 00:42:51,560
Speaker 2: And then he's trying to fix it by like calling

876
00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,280
Speaker 2: all the stories to get new dresses again for Debora Messing.

877
00:42:54,880 --> 00:42:56,799
Speaker 2: So he's like doing the thing where he was like, well,

878
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:58,879
Speaker 2: let me try to fix the problem before even Rachel

879
00:42:58,960 --> 00:43:00,320
Speaker 2: Zoe finds out about the problem.

880
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: And then she also told him not to tell Rachel Zoe,

881
00:43:02,640 --> 00:43:05,880
Speaker 1: which was and then he's mad at him for not

882
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,080
Speaker 1: telling him. He doesn't even throw into the bus because

883
00:43:08,080 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 1: he's like actually good person. And now I'm like justice

884
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 1: for Brad Gorski, even though he is just now.

885
00:43:13,440 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: He's become such like an insane like evil cheesy.

886
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:20,200
Speaker 1: An evil cheesy fashion who's so also doing the thing

887
00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,040
Speaker 1: that Tan France does where it's like your hair doesn't

888
00:43:22,040 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: need to be so Jimmy utronto seven.

889
00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 2: I know, and it's still insanely, I mean.

890
00:43:27,480 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 1: Now so much cuter if you had like a close

891
00:43:29,719 --> 00:43:31,960
Speaker 1: cropped fashion French haircut.

892
00:43:32,160 --> 00:43:36,960
Speaker 2: Tell him, Brad, tell him bad dear Brad, let's crop it.

893
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,120
Speaker 2: And I guess their fallout was because she thought he

894
00:43:41,320 --> 00:43:44,880
Speaker 2: was like stealing clients from her because he got obviously

895
00:43:45,000 --> 00:43:48,360
Speaker 2: like too big for his bridges. But the point is it's.

896
00:43:48,239 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: Like that you fall out with your former employer, your

897
00:43:51,160 --> 00:43:55,480
Speaker 1: maid ysinist. Literally, it's like it's kind of just like,

898
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 1: I mean that this student becomes a master.

899
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:00,759
Speaker 2: Oh, you want me to just sit here for and

900
00:44:00,880 --> 00:44:03,160
Speaker 2: help you like get dresses for debor messing and not

901
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:05,960
Speaker 2: get my own clients. Yeah, learn, it's like teach.

902
00:44:06,200 --> 00:44:08,799
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like, why are you trying to teach him

903
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: if you don't want him to get his own clients.

904
00:44:11,040 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 2: Let's talk about her opinion on jeans for a second,

905
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: because it's just.

906
00:44:13,680 --> 00:44:15,960
Speaker 1: Lets there's like forty pages on jeans where she's like,

907
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:18,440
Speaker 1: don't wear jeans the office, but also so much is

908
00:44:18,520 --> 00:44:19,879
Speaker 1: happening in Denham right now?

909
00:44:19,960 --> 00:44:22,400
Speaker 2: And then on her podcast that I was listening to

910
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,280
Speaker 2: from two months ago, her producer goes, so, how often

911
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 2: are you bringing your Chanelle denim bag to the Hamptons

912
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 2: And she's like, oh, of course, of course I'm bringing

913
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:32,520
Speaker 2: the Dunham Chanel.

914
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:36,520
Speaker 1: There's also this thing in the book where she has

915
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,200
Speaker 1: little like celebrities are invited to sound off.

916
00:44:40,280 --> 00:44:41,920
Speaker 2: Such as Jennifer Garner and.

917
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: Like real celebrities, it's Runner, Michael Course and Hathaway. There's

918
00:44:44,800 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: this little section and Hathaway cracks the gene code we've

919
00:44:50,360 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 1: been waiting. If you're thin, you can probably get away

920
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:55,080
Speaker 1: with a stiff gene. If you're like me and a

921
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:57,759
Speaker 1: bit curvy, then some stretches the way to go. There

922
00:44:57,760 --> 00:44:59,440
Speaker 1: are even some brands that managed to cut a skan

923
00:44:59,560 --> 00:45:01,759
Speaker 1: jing with stretch that looks good on the rest of

924
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,280
Speaker 1: us shapely girls. Because Anne Hathaway in like two thousand

925
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:08,600
Speaker 1: and one terms was like fat. She was fat.

926
00:45:09,040 --> 00:45:11,080
Speaker 2: And also this is the time when I think the

927
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 2: first time jeans was stretched came out in like.

928
00:45:14,280 --> 00:45:16,359
Speaker 1: Not a like because they hadn't figured out how to

929
00:45:16,400 --> 00:45:19,160
Speaker 1: like inject like spandex, and they had made.

930
00:45:19,000 --> 00:45:24,000
Speaker 2: Like I think eighties like total ridiculous stonewashed jeans with

931
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:27,280
Speaker 2: like a big pouch over it, but not the skinny

932
00:45:27,320 --> 00:45:31,320
Speaker 2: jeans we know today that are like three percent elastine.

933
00:45:31,680 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: And then Rachel Zoe goes gray. Fitting Ritlican jene should

934
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: not look like they're squeezing you out like sausage from

935
00:45:36,360 --> 00:45:38,000
Speaker 1: its casein if the waist cuts your hips running on

936
00:45:38,040 --> 00:45:40,200
Speaker 1: the line, your trursto create a fat roll. Cast those

937
00:45:40,239 --> 00:45:44,160
Speaker 1: jeans off immediately. In all likelihood, you don't need to diet.

938
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:48,600
Speaker 1: In all likelihood you don't need to diet.

939
00:45:48,800 --> 00:45:51,640
Speaker 2: It's like all but you probably do. Rachel Zobi she's

940
00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 2: really anti jeens, but she's also like I get they're

941
00:45:54,520 --> 00:45:56,239
Speaker 2: like a part of today, and like we all do

942
00:45:56,360 --> 00:45:57,960
Speaker 2: need a pair of jeans, so you should have a

943
00:45:58,000 --> 00:45:59,839
Speaker 2: pair of like stove top skin.

944
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,160
Speaker 1: But she goes. I believe genes can be worn in

945
00:46:02,200 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 1: a mile long list of scenarios. I wear them for

946
00:46:04,480 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: work and play, of course, and occasionally on a night

947
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,440
Speaker 1: out celebrating. I also believe denham should be used and

948
00:46:11,520 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: not abused. She's very dunhim is a privilege. I agree,

949
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:20,680
Speaker 1: and like know when to use it. They're ideal for

950
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,279
Speaker 1: running around on your day off or a dinner party

951
00:46:22,320 --> 00:46:23,920
Speaker 1: at a best friend's house. Some jeans could even be

952
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:25,520
Speaker 1: right for work, depending on the office of dress code

953
00:46:25,520 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: and culture. But when it comes to a company event,

954
00:46:27,320 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: unless it's some hoe down barbecue off for a little

955
00:46:29,520 --> 00:46:31,880
Speaker 1: more than dunhim out of respect for your employers in industry,

956
00:46:32,040 --> 00:46:34,040
Speaker 1: a dresser pair of trousers is no more difficult to

957
00:46:34,040 --> 00:46:36,000
Speaker 1: get into her list relaxed, and it makes an entirely

958
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:38,320
Speaker 1: better statement. No matter on which you glam up jeans,

959
00:46:38,680 --> 00:46:41,480
Speaker 1: there's still jeans. So she comes down the office, but

960
00:46:41,520 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 1: not an office party unless it's like a backyard hoedown and.

961
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:47,680
Speaker 2: It's like themed. And she's also like never never do

962
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,279
Speaker 2: a Canadian tuxedo, like please, She's very.

963
00:46:54,200 --> 00:46:54,960
Speaker 1: Sorry.

964
00:46:55,880 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 2: She's being so like fashioned police and just being like,

965
00:46:59,680 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 2: oh okay, Willie Nelson.

966
00:47:01,880 --> 00:47:04,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure now she saw like Billy Eilish and like,

967
00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: you know, a huge.

968
00:47:06,040 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 2: I love it. I die, I die, I die for Billy.

969
00:47:09,520 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 4: I die for Billy, I die for segments does she wear?

970
00:47:23,800 --> 00:47:26,799
Speaker 2: How does she live? Okay, how does she live? Here's

971
00:47:26,840 --> 00:47:30,400
Speaker 2: the thing? Like she has a big white Bobo Italia

972
00:47:30,520 --> 00:47:34,960
Speaker 2: CNB couch and in the show she's like Roger, I

973
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:37,400
Speaker 2: want a furniture and he's like, we just got a

974
00:47:37,400 --> 00:47:40,160
Speaker 2: couch two years ago, and she's like so and he

975
00:47:40,239 --> 00:47:41,680
Speaker 2: was like, you told me this would be for life.

976
00:47:41,760 --> 00:47:44,040
Speaker 1: And so then they go to Fendi Cassa and they's

977
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: like furniture. It's like very like modern, like everything is

978
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:52,160
Speaker 1: just so like kind of euro early two thousands, like square.

979
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,279
Speaker 2: Square white, but and it's cool, like I feel like

980
00:47:55,320 --> 00:47:57,719
Speaker 2: she talks about just like being fun. She does the

981
00:47:57,760 --> 00:48:00,200
Speaker 2: Clinton Kelly thing where she's just like, buy a ton

982
00:48:00,280 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 2: of different pattern cups from FLA Markets.

983
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:06,320
Speaker 1: She says at one point, then she loves Kelly Wurstler's style,

984
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:09,200
Speaker 1: but she's like, obviously that's like way too colorful and

985
00:48:09,280 --> 00:48:12,560
Speaker 1: maximalist for me. I'm super modern and having like one

986
00:48:12,640 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 1: Amarillis on the counter and then just like this all

987
00:48:14,960 --> 00:48:17,520
Speaker 1: white room and so it's celebrity and like one large

988
00:48:17,560 --> 00:48:18,960
Speaker 1: canvas that's like all yellow.

989
00:48:19,280 --> 00:48:22,640
Speaker 2: And then she's also like very like me and dorm

990
00:48:22,680 --> 00:48:25,480
Speaker 2: in this way where she's being like, cant afford pricey art,

991
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 2: get vintage magazines and frame.

992
00:48:27,960 --> 00:48:34,160
Speaker 1: Them, frame magazines, Carla fil Massoni blankets. I don't know.

993
00:48:34,280 --> 00:48:35,800
Speaker 1: The whole friending cost some thing to me is a

994
00:48:35,840 --> 00:48:38,120
Speaker 1: little bit like one stop shop where I'm like right

995
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:40,600
Speaker 1: where she's just like, oh wait, it's designer, Like she says,

996
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: don't fall for designer, but then she's like I need

997
00:48:42,520 --> 00:48:44,080
Speaker 1: to cost a couch. Yeah.

998
00:48:44,120 --> 00:48:47,160
Speaker 2: She really isn't following her own creed in this no.

999
00:48:47,320 --> 00:48:50,320
Speaker 1: I think like when it comes to furniture, like everything

1000
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:52,240
Speaker 1: that she's learned from fashions, she throws out the window,

1001
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,160
Speaker 1: which I don't really get. It's like, shouldn't you be

1002
00:48:54,200 --> 00:48:56,000
Speaker 1: like a student of this and do what you like

1003
00:48:56,120 --> 00:48:59,200
Speaker 1: and a mix of vintage and and she's.

1004
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,960
Speaker 2: Like, yeah, she's get Massoni pillow.

1005
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:04,960
Speaker 1: And research and it's like where is all that, Like

1006
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,000
Speaker 1: where's the inspiration?

1007
00:49:06,120 --> 00:49:08,239
Speaker 2: You know what it is? It was because they were

1008
00:49:08,239 --> 00:49:11,320
Speaker 2: coming to photograph her house. She panicked, and she panicked

1009
00:49:11,960 --> 00:49:13,720
Speaker 2: was already kind of just pretty beige.

1010
00:49:13,920 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: It was beige and boring, and it's.

1011
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,640
Speaker 2: Like where are the funky cups?

1012
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,880
Speaker 1: But I guess it also because like ultimately she is

1013
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:21,279
Speaker 1: basic and metallic flat, so like the house is going

1014
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:21,640
Speaker 1: to have.

1015
00:49:21,680 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 2: Like she has flats, so it's going to be just

1016
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,200
Speaker 2: like white leather section.

1017
00:49:25,360 --> 00:49:28,359
Speaker 1: It's not being so like a dual told sofa and

1018
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:32,680
Speaker 1: like dark cherrywood walls and like yeah, fourteenth century tapestry.

1019
00:49:33,400 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 2: It's like she's so obsessed and she has another page

1020
00:49:35,920 --> 00:49:38,640
Speaker 2: from like the Massoni granddaughter who is being so like

1021
00:49:38,680 --> 00:49:41,160
Speaker 2: I'm a mess and I'm not as organized as Rachel Zoe,

1022
00:49:41,960 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 2: but I wish she was like took more of her

1023
00:49:44,200 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 2: own advice and like was a little more or less

1024
00:49:46,680 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 2: like three magazines and the same modern lamp that like

1025
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:54,799
Speaker 2: everyone has go wireless or compact in the kitchen, tuk

1026
00:49:54,840 --> 00:49:58,000
Speaker 2: away everything else involved in a Media Center. Also throughout

1027
00:49:58,040 --> 00:50:00,680
Speaker 2: this book she talks about travel and like me, She's like,

1028
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:05,080
Speaker 2: always stalk your iPod. I'm like, and bring DVD. But

1029
00:50:05,120 --> 00:50:07,120
Speaker 2: then there's a photo of her and Roger on their.

1030
00:50:07,000 --> 00:50:10,280
Speaker 1: Bed with DVD. So many clickers in dvdps.

1031
00:50:09,880 --> 00:50:11,960
Speaker 2: And she is just a cheesy in dorm and has

1032
00:50:11,960 --> 00:50:14,040
Speaker 2: a frame photo of Johnny Depp that she got like

1033
00:50:14,120 --> 00:50:16,919
Speaker 2: blown up. It's like a little frame bridge in this way.

1034
00:50:17,120 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 1: Okay, wait what did she eat? Can I just this

1035
00:50:19,520 --> 00:50:22,799
Speaker 1: section where Amy Soco as in Bungalow E. If you

1036
00:50:22,800 --> 00:50:25,200
Speaker 1: don't know it, look it up. Yes. I went to

1037
00:50:25,280 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 1: Mangalo eight for a Diesel after party in two those

1038
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:28,960
Speaker 1: and eight.

1039
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:31,280
Speaker 2: Now here you are in your Diesel hoodie.

1040
00:50:31,280 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: I know, it's so crazy. And I went with the

1041
00:50:32,840 --> 00:50:35,480
Speaker 1: entire cast of Project Home By season three and I

1042
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: spent the whole night talking to Angela, who is completely insane.

1043
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 1: If you don't know her, look around corrupt Anyways, Amy

1044
00:50:41,360 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: Soco has a little piece on the at Home bar.

1045
00:50:44,080 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: The perfect host is always ready for an impromptu cocktail party.

1046
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,040
Speaker 1: I know this all too well at Bungalow eight, where

1047
00:50:49,080 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: all kinds of friends show up at all kinds of hours,

1048
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,080
Speaker 1: ready to have the time of their lives at your place.

1049
00:50:54,160 --> 00:50:56,240
Speaker 1: Having the following essentials and stock will make her personal

1050
00:50:56,280 --> 00:51:00,279
Speaker 1: bungalow just as great. The tools a cork, squirrel, a

1051
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,240
Speaker 1: double jigger, a shaker, a cocktailspan is very just like, okay,

1052
00:51:03,239 --> 00:51:07,240
Speaker 1: the most normal things glasses old fashioned, those short scott

1053
00:51:07,280 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: ones are ready to go. I do agree, like a

1054
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 1: classic tumbler, like a short tumbler is the best, like

1055
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 1: a rocks.

1056
00:51:13,800 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 2: Glass basically, which I kind of like need.

1057
00:51:16,320 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: As opposed to like a high ball is really like

1058
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 1: I use her all the time.

1059
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:22,880
Speaker 2: It's and I think good for guests.

1060
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:25,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's also just like, oh I love the small

1061
00:51:25,440 --> 00:51:27,560
Speaker 1: color mo rocan glasses and you can get them to

1062
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 1: by the case, bottle service, vodka, bourbon, rum, tequil, legit.

1063
00:51:32,560 --> 00:51:35,759
Speaker 1: She's just listing all liquors. I do feel Rachel's sop

1064
00:51:35,800 --> 00:51:38,400
Speaker 1: has like a bar that's so hidden because she is

1065
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:41,320
Speaker 1: so hidden fridge and it's like hidden in a cabinet.

1066
00:51:41,320 --> 00:51:44,840
Speaker 1: But like she's only drinking besides bubbles.

1067
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,120
Speaker 2: No, she's very just like white wine and one glass

1068
00:51:47,120 --> 00:51:48,880
Speaker 2: of champagne because that's like, how else do you do

1069
00:51:48,960 --> 00:51:51,799
Speaker 2: so many events the night she's bubbles? I also think, yes,

1070
00:51:51,840 --> 00:51:53,920
Speaker 2: you should have a stalked bar, but I also think

1071
00:51:54,000 --> 00:51:56,160
Speaker 2: it's better to slim it down, like have a light

1072
00:51:56,200 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 2: in a dark, like maybe have a whiskey in a

1073
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 2: vodka and beer and wine. I don't think you need

1074
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:02,960
Speaker 2: like gin whiskey rum vibe.

1075
00:52:03,880 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: I usually don't have like all five majors, but actually

1076
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:08,400
Speaker 1: maybe I do have like a little bit of everything

1077
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:09,000
Speaker 1: at some point.

1078
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:11,799
Speaker 2: Anyway, she doesn't cook obviously, and like when she has

1079
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 2: this like housewarming for her friends and parents, she orders

1080
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 2: from Johnson third Famous.

1081
00:52:17,480 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: Where I was going to every day when I was

1082
00:52:19,600 --> 00:52:23,759
Speaker 1: staying at maybe friend of the Pod Blaine's house, I

1083
00:52:23,840 --> 00:52:26,560
Speaker 1: was in La and it's just like so like not

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Speaker 1: even that good and expensive, but you're like, I'm so

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Speaker 1: la and enrich, and I'm getting this.

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Speaker 2: Chicken salad and like she's not eating, No one's eating. Yes,

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Speaker 2: there was a bowl of curry chicken salad, being like

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Speaker 2: is this a barn And there's like at a mama.

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Speaker 1: Shoe ma, and she's having three bites and be like,

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Speaker 1: I'm having way too much of this. She also invented

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Speaker 1: Bethany in this way because both of them are bobbleheads.

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Speaker 2: Bobbleheads who are like say.

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Speaker 1: Type and scary and psychotic and caffeine and.

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Speaker 2: Saying like I die and like being like coffee and

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Speaker 2: like it's crazy. She doesn't even talk about coffee, even

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Speaker 2: though it's like she's give me my like valium latte personality.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to speak ntill I've had my all

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Speaker 1: black or is she.

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Speaker 2: So like vanilla latte and it's getting so like yeah,

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Speaker 2: but then that feels like to me calories, So I'm like,

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Speaker 2: she's just huge.

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Speaker 1: But she's also the girl who like only gets her

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Speaker 1: colories from coffee. That's true because she's had her massive

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Speaker 1: like eight hundred calories star. She was like, I'm actually good,

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Speaker 1: I already ate and she can have six grapes later.

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Speaker 2: But then it's like she mentions once and here being

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Speaker 2: like it's so good to take time with Roger making

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00:53:30,520 --> 00:53:33,280
Speaker 2: a late night meal. It's like you guys are.

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Speaker 1: Not getting your fendy Costa kitchen dirty.

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Speaker 2: No, because even he and that he was like we

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00:53:39,840 --> 00:53:45,600
Speaker 2: been like she's very kendal generally slicing one cucumber. Okay,

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Speaker 2: what does she wear?

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00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:51,680
Speaker 1: I guess like metallic literally but also not.

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Speaker 2: But also like when I think of Rachel's so specifically,

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Speaker 2: I think of a really flowy silk then belted, belted

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Speaker 2: hobo bag, metallic flats.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, hair for day. He's basically like stealing clothing from

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Speaker 1: the curve market and belting it for the size zero market.

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Speaker 2: Stop stealing clothes from the curve market. Okay, leave some

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Speaker 2: for us. Okay, who are you in the book?

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Speaker 5: Like, I mean, I have Brad, but you're Brad but like, okay,

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00:54:21,400 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 5: sometimes you are like the most evil like Indie East

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Speaker 5: villainch bartender girl, because I'm Indy, I'm fucking Indie, you.

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Speaker 2: Loser, but you're being more these shirts are a mess.

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Speaker 2: But I think it's more I'm tailor and you're Rachel

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00:54:35,680 --> 00:54:39,560
Speaker 2: So and like you're huge coffee and like because Rachel

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00:54:39,640 --> 00:54:41,920
Speaker 2: So doesn't have to be mean to Brad because she

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00:54:42,040 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 2: just takes like tailor to sushi and is like, can

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00:54:43,960 --> 00:54:46,719
Speaker 2: we just like talk like she has Taylor be mean

1130
00:54:46,760 --> 00:54:49,080
Speaker 2: to Brad, right, and so she can be fat and

1131
00:54:49,960 --> 00:54:52,839
Speaker 2: dirty work. You're fucking dirty work and I'm just being

1132
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:54,240
Speaker 2: like so scared you're.

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00:54:54,760 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: BD, like calling me on your PDA being just like

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00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:00,560
Speaker 1: I'm so sick, and I'm like you actually to come in.

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00:55:01,040 --> 00:55:05,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really sick, Like, well we're dressing duble messing,

1136
00:55:05,640 --> 00:55:08,920
Speaker 2: so come in. You can be sick when you're dead, bitch.

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Speaker 2: I guess book was so fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's I like that it's a textbook and it's

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00:55:15,200 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: so chock full of like insane advice about so.

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Speaker 2: Much advice and like kind of like breakout. Well, there's

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00:55:20,920 --> 00:55:23,640
Speaker 2: also all this like fashion illustration, that.

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00:55:23,640 --> 00:55:26,360
Speaker 1: Much fashion illustration. I do love the photos of women

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00:55:26,400 --> 00:55:27,080
Speaker 1: in the two thousands.

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00:55:27,080 --> 00:55:29,600
Speaker 2: There's this like really blurry, blown up photos of just

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00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:34,000
Speaker 2: like Beascha Barton getting her hair done. Is It's really

1146
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 2: sad because this whole book is a bad She's like,

1147
00:55:37,560 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 2: Misha looks so cute, and she rocks her kads and

1148
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: jeans when she's done a sneakers and like all these

1149
00:55:42,520 --> 00:55:44,640
Speaker 2: just little like Misha does this, and Misha does she

1150
00:55:44,840 --> 00:55:45,200
Speaker 2: was on.

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00:55:45,160 --> 00:55:49,560
Speaker 1: Top of the world. She was so perfect period and

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00:55:49,640 --> 00:55:51,719
Speaker 1: I just feel so bad. And I guess that the

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00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:54,520
Speaker 1: thing is it's like when you're not a good actress.

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00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:56,040
Speaker 1: I just feel like she must have been a pill

1155
00:55:56,040 --> 00:55:57,319
Speaker 1: to be around or something, because I feel like she

1156
00:55:57,320 --> 00:55:59,959
Speaker 1: didn't retain a lot of like allies as she moved

1157
00:56:00,040 --> 00:56:02,560
Speaker 1: into adulthood and then she just got so fucked over

1158
00:56:02,600 --> 00:56:03,840
Speaker 1: and did all the wrong projects.

1159
00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,719
Speaker 2: She became like depressed and didn't make allies. And then

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00:56:09,200 --> 00:56:11,360
Speaker 2: I mean, Zoe loves her well.

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00:56:11,200 --> 00:56:13,200
Speaker 1: She did that. I don't know if they're still hanging out.

1162
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,160
Speaker 2: No they aren't. And then she was on Dancing with

1163
00:56:16,200 --> 00:56:19,239
Speaker 2: the Stars and it was like really sad. Remember she

1164
00:56:19,320 --> 00:56:23,000
Speaker 2: was all smoking a bong in her car, so random

1165
00:56:23,040 --> 00:56:27,240
Speaker 2: new carbong. Anyway, I give this book like, it's.

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00:56:27,080 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 1: Hard to say. It's like some iconic. It's she's iconic,

1167
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:35,400
Speaker 1: and like, go watch the Ritual Zoe Project. As a book,

1168
00:56:35,560 --> 00:56:38,000
Speaker 1: it's not very revealing, and like, frankly, a lot of

1169
00:56:38,000 --> 00:56:40,400
Speaker 1: the advice isn't like that good. It's not She's.

1170
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:46,759
Speaker 2: Literally saying, you're bring gumb on a blaze. So like

1171
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 2: her personality, it's hard to because it's I'm alsomate with

1172
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,640
Speaker 2: the Lauren Conra because funnier because Lauren's like dumber and

1173
00:56:53,680 --> 00:56:57,719
Speaker 2: more insane like her fashion. Zoe is such an icon

1174
00:56:57,840 --> 00:57:00,520
Speaker 2: so when she is being like bring gum, you are

1175
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:01,920
Speaker 2: a little bit like, okay.

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00:57:01,680 --> 00:57:04,799
Speaker 1: Rachel, I guess I'm not actually going to recommend that

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00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,799
Speaker 1: people go out and buy this book. Yeah, give it

1178
00:57:07,880 --> 00:57:10,480
Speaker 1: like two out of five metallic flats, but I will

1179
00:57:10,600 --> 00:57:14,840
Speaker 1: say give the show like five out of five statement jewelries,

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00:57:15,239 --> 00:57:17,000
Speaker 1: jewelry talk, start listening.

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00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 2: Two point eight stovepipe vintage Levi's out of five. I think.

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00:57:22,240 --> 00:57:23,800
Speaker 2: I mean, if you saw this at a thrift store,

1183
00:57:24,200 --> 00:57:29,320
Speaker 2: buy it, order it from thrift books. No, but I think,

1184
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:31,160
Speaker 2: actually this would be really fun gift. Because she talks

1185
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:34,280
Speaker 2: about alternative gifting. She was like, instead of bringing wine,

1186
00:57:34,360 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 2: bring a photo of you and the host over to

1187
00:57:36,880 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 2: someone's house, which I found so random.

1188
00:57:39,800 --> 00:57:40,720
Speaker 1: It's weird.

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00:57:40,760 --> 00:57:44,720
Speaker 2: It like an amazing housewarming gift or something like that

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00:57:44,800 --> 00:57:47,840
Speaker 2: for someone like a stylish friend who loves metallic flats.

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00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,160
Speaker 1: I'm just imagining if I went over to someone's house

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00:57:50,160 --> 00:57:52,400
Speaker 1: and I brought them a framed photo of me and

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00:57:52,480 --> 00:57:54,920
Speaker 1: them as a gift for just like a six person

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Speaker 1: dinner party.

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Speaker 2: I mean, people are already weirded out by that frame

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Speaker 2: photo I now have in my house of us at

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Speaker 2: the Russian Tea room that we were scammed into buying. Well,

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Speaker 2: it's just like you're new and frame just kind of like,

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Speaker 2: oh so you frame.

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Speaker 1: That that kind of looks like a normal night. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you guys, listen, it's fall.

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Speaker 2: We need to buy more metallic flats and we need

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Speaker 2: to get renewed by iHeart.

1204
00:58:21,160 --> 00:58:24,760
Speaker 1: We are up for renewal. And if you guys don't

1205
00:58:25,000 --> 00:58:28,720
Speaker 1: flood our Apple podcast page with good reviews, they will

1206
00:58:28,880 --> 00:58:31,040
Speaker 1: literally access from the lineup.

1207
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Speaker 2: Even if you've already made a review, like.

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00:58:32,640 --> 00:58:34,920
Speaker 1: It's under a pseudonym.

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Speaker 2: Hilarious.

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Speaker 1: I don't know one minute and forty five seconds out

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Speaker 1: of your day to write a review and just.

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Speaker 2: Say like I die, like I'm obsessed with them, so

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Speaker 2: I am would mean the world.

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Speaker 1: It would really mean the world to us. We love

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00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:47,240
Speaker 1: you so much.

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Speaker 2: We die, We die for you, We literally die for you.

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Speaker 1: We just want to keep giving you the content that

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Speaker 1: you crave.

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00:58:53,800 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 2: We want to keep buying like coffee table textbooks.

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00:58:57,200 --> 00:58:58,439
Speaker 1: But yeah, we also need my meme.

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00:58:58,680 --> 00:59:01,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, like to keep on buying flats.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I love you.

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Speaker 2: Love me best. Our podcast is produced by Darby Masters,

1224
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:11,560
Speaker 2: who has like really chic Island style, kind of like

1225
00:59:12,040 --> 00:59:17,920
Speaker 2: vintage Captains, et cetera. She throws like amazing President's Day parties.

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00:59:17,960 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 2: I die for her events our podcast. The supervisor producer

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00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 2: is Abuzafar. He's an amazing American designer really doing new

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00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:28,240
Speaker 2: things like Dunham sandals.

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Speaker 1: Our show was executive produced by Christina Everett. I die

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00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: for her. She has incredible style. She always wears statement

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00:59:37,720 --> 00:59:40,800
Speaker 1: butterfly necklaces because she's such a free spirit. And I

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00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:44,400
Speaker 1: love that. Our engineer is Beheid Frazier, And I have

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00:59:44,520 --> 00:59:48,320
Speaker 1: to say, like, he's someone who is so high low

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00:59:48,360 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 1: and he'll mix still lettos with a foo door. Yes, yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: he'll be like a Cashmir strug with a string bikini

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Speaker 1: in the winter.

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00:59:59,120 --> 01:00:00,840
Speaker 2: So cute, and it's so unexpected.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's actually really really a ball, especially for as

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01:00:04,240 --> 01:00:07,240
Speaker 1: conservative in office as iHeart. I think it's really really

1240
01:00:07,280 --> 01:00:07,960
Speaker 1: brave of him.

1241
01:00:08,080 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 2: The music was done other by like one of my

1242
01:00:10,160 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 2: most favorite DJ, Stephen Phelips. Course, I saw him at

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01:00:13,680 --> 01:00:16,920
Speaker 2: Calm the other year. I died at his like remixes

1244
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:18,640
Speaker 2: at the Bungalow eight pop up.

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Speaker 1: I want to give a quick note and talk about

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01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:25,040
Speaker 1: our previous producers who we actually no longer work with

1247
01:00:25,320 --> 01:00:29,960
Speaker 1: my prolout projects. We have a falling out over actually

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01:00:30,040 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 1: Debrah Messine's dress at the two thousand and eight American

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01:00:33,800 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 1: Television Awards. It's fine, It's water under their bridge. I'll

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01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:43,200
Speaker 1: see him at Spago and we'll grab a martini. I'll

1251
01:00:43,200 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 1: have a few SIPs. So it's really not that big

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01:00:45,440 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: of a deal. And I wish him all the beasts

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01:00:47,280 --> 01:00:47,840
Speaker 1: in his future.

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Speaker 2: Knows, I totally agree.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear more of us, go to Patreon,

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Speaker 1: dot com, slash CBC The Pod. There's a ton of

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01:00:53,880 --> 01:00:56,840
Speaker 1: really really interesting stuff out there, really call.

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Speaker 2: Like vintage episodes also if you want to catch up,

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Speaker 2: if you're looking for something like Timeless for a road trip.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's like a great mix of classic

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01:01:04,520 --> 01:01:06,720
Speaker 1: and vintage and modern and you're going to find that

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01:01:06,880 --> 01:01:09,360
Speaker 1: all every single week, every Friday, there's new episodes.

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Speaker 2: Rock and Glam Patroon dot com, slash CBC, The Pods.

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Speaker 1: You guys, thank you so much for your support. It

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01:01:14,560 --> 01:01:17,320
Speaker 1: means the world to us. We're really looking forward to

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Speaker 1: the next twelve months with you. So get out there

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Speaker 1: and again leave those reviews of broad Apple podcast that

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Speaker 1: could be huge.

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