1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:02,880 Speaker 1: So what about a major public figure who's sort of 2 00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:05,320 Speaker 1: a big mouth, but who has to be allowed to 3 00:00:05,320 --> 00:00:08,280 Speaker 1: say what he or she thinks. It happens all the time, right, 4 00:00:08,360 --> 00:00:11,800 Speaker 1: that's democracy. Well, what about a guy who most of 5 00:00:11,880 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 1: us have heard of, who's an icon noted as the 6 00:00:15,000 --> 00:00:18,800 Speaker 1: father of Western philosophy. We're talking about Socrates, who was 7 00:00:18,840 --> 00:00:23,599 Speaker 1: so stubborn about being right he calmly faced execution even 8 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:27,080 Speaker 1: when he could have escaped. I'm Patty Steele. The bizarre 9 00:00:27,160 --> 00:00:30,480 Speaker 1: life and really bizarre death of a know it all genius. 10 00:00:30,760 --> 00:00:38,199 Speaker 1: Next on the backstory. The backstory is back. Even if 11 00:00:38,200 --> 00:00:41,360 Speaker 1: you know very little about the Greek philosophers, you probably 12 00:00:41,400 --> 00:00:44,519 Speaker 1: heard of Socrates. He was a total character, and that 13 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: wound up costing him his life. Socrates was born in 14 00:00:48,000 --> 00:00:52,960 Speaker 1: ancient Athens sometime around four sixty nine BCE. Athens was 15 00:00:53,040 --> 00:00:56,880 Speaker 1: described as the beating heart of Greece, and Socrates came 16 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 1: from a pretty affluent family. That may explain his broad education. 17 00:01:01,640 --> 00:01:05,840 Speaker 1: He was taught reading, writing, history, gymnastics, poetry, music, but 18 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:09,280 Speaker 1: it also might explain his arrogance. He believed he was right, 19 00:01:09,400 --> 00:01:11,640 Speaker 1: and he stood up for what he believed in really 20 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:14,560 Speaker 1: didn't give a damn what anybody else thought? What did 21 00:01:14,600 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 1: he look like? Well, if you imagine him as an 22 00:01:17,640 --> 00:01:20,560 Speaker 1: old guy with a beard in a toga surrounded by 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,560 Speaker 1: a bunch of young guys listening to him spout deep stuff, 24 00:01:23,800 --> 00:01:26,520 Speaker 1: you'd be right. But he was more complicated than that. 25 00:01:27,240 --> 00:01:30,640 Speaker 1: He really really didn't care what anybody else thought of him. 26 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: He wasn't an attractive guy. His closest friends and students 27 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: described him as having a flat, turned up nose, bulging eyes, 28 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:42,000 Speaker 1: and a big belly. In fact, they joked about his looks, 29 00:01:42,040 --> 00:01:45,559 Speaker 1: calling him ugly, But Socrates didn't care what they thought, 30 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:48,559 Speaker 1: and really didn't care about his own appearance or even 31 00:01:48,600 --> 00:01:52,280 Speaker 1: his personal comfort. He was noted for being filthy. He 32 00:01:52,360 --> 00:01:57,040 Speaker 1: hardly ever bathed, always walked barefoot, and owned only one old, 33 00:01:57,160 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: crummy coat. He didn't care much about eating, drinking, or 34 00:02:01,120 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 1: even sex. While Socrates was attracted to young guys, which 35 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: was pretty common and accepted in ancient Greece, he mostly 36 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:12,360 Speaker 1: stayed away from sexual relationships with him because, as his 37 00:02:12,440 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: student Plato says, he was more interested in educating their souls. 38 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,320 Speaker 1: So what was he teaching them? Well, he believed that 39 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:23,240 Speaker 1: you should constantly be forced to confront the things you 40 00:02:23,240 --> 00:02:26,480 Speaker 1: took for granted in life. Now. The problem is, he 41 00:02:26,560 --> 00:02:30,200 Speaker 1: thought it was his responsibility to force people to confront 42 00:02:30,240 --> 00:02:32,840 Speaker 1: their own beliefs, and there were a whole lot of 43 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:37,119 Speaker 1: folks who hated him for that. His questions humiliated them, 44 00:02:37,240 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: particularly the big shots, who didn't want answer to anyone, 45 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:44,960 Speaker 1: much less of filthy street philosopher. Think about it, You're 46 00:02:45,000 --> 00:02:48,960 Speaker 1: an Athenian, confident in your beliefs about virtue, justice, and 47 00:02:49,000 --> 00:02:52,640 Speaker 1: the gods, and here comes this kind of scruffy old 48 00:02:52,680 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: guy asking you to explain your ideas, forcing you and 49 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:00,240 Speaker 1: others to see that you've got it all wrong. It's 50 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:03,480 Speaker 1: obvious that you don't have all the answers, and that 51 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:08,480 Speaker 1: makes you angry. Socrates didn't just stop it questioning ordinary folks. 52 00:03:08,800 --> 00:03:12,520 Speaker 1: He took his philosophical sledgehammer to the beliefs of Athens' 53 00:03:12,520 --> 00:03:16,640 Speaker 1: most powerful and respected figures. He showed their ignorance, not 54 00:03:16,720 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 1: trying to be a jerk, though he was, but because 55 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:22,720 Speaker 1: he believed that admitting one's ignorance was the first step 56 00:03:22,760 --> 00:03:26,480 Speaker 1: toward real wisdom. But as you can imagine, that didn't 57 00:03:26,560 --> 00:03:30,480 Speaker 1: exactly make him popular among those big shots. So three 58 00:03:30,480 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 1: of them decided to put Socrates on trial the charges 59 00:03:34,560 --> 00:03:38,480 Speaker 1: corrupting the youth of Athens and impiety were not buying 60 00:03:38,520 --> 00:03:42,720 Speaker 1: into accepted beliefs about the gods. What exactly did corrupting 61 00:03:42,760 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: the youth mean? Well, he had a following of young 62 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: men who were drawn to Socrates because of his unusual 63 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,520 Speaker 1: ideas and also his ability to make the big shots 64 00:03:52,560 --> 00:03:56,520 Speaker 1: in Athens look stupid. The elders thought Socrates was leading 65 00:03:56,560 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: these young guys astray, undermining Athenian society. They also saw 66 00:04:01,760 --> 00:04:04,320 Speaker 1: him as a threat to the traditional worship of the 67 00:04:04,360 --> 00:04:08,960 Speaker 1: gods and so to grease itself. The jury found him guilty, 68 00:04:09,560 --> 00:04:12,440 Speaker 1: mostly because he didn't really try to explain himself. He 69 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: simply defended his opinions intensely. Now here's where it gets weird. 70 00:04:17,760 --> 00:04:21,480 Speaker 1: In Athens, a condemned person could choose between two sentences, 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:25,160 Speaker 1: one offered by the prosecution and one by the defense. 72 00:04:25,839 --> 00:04:29,039 Speaker 1: Socrates could choose his own punishment. I mean, he could 73 00:04:29,080 --> 00:04:31,880 Speaker 1: have asked for permission to leave Athens and live in exile, 74 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:34,960 Speaker 1: which would have saved his life, but his ego wouldn't 75 00:04:35,000 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: let him do that. The only thing he suggested, jokingly 76 00:04:39,200 --> 00:04:41,240 Speaker 1: was that they give him free meals every day for 77 00:04:41,320 --> 00:04:44,159 Speaker 1: the rest of his life in recognition of his value 78 00:04:44,200 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 1: to Athens and honor usually reserved for Olympic champions. Duh, 79 00:04:49,080 --> 00:04:52,560 Speaker 1: that was a no go. Then he suggested a small fine, 80 00:04:52,600 --> 00:04:55,400 Speaker 1: also a no go. It was too little, too late, 81 00:04:55,960 --> 00:04:58,479 Speaker 1: so at the end of the day the jurors decided 82 00:04:58,560 --> 00:05:01,680 Speaker 1: on the death penalty. They decided he would have to 83 00:05:01,760 --> 00:05:05,200 Speaker 1: drink a cup of poison hemlock to get the job done. 84 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,679 Speaker 1: That would gradually paralyze his body and stop his heart. 85 00:05:09,440 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 1: Socrates still could have escaped. His friends offered to bribe 86 00:05:13,000 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: the guards and get him out of the city, but no, 87 00:05:16,360 --> 00:05:19,919 Speaker 1: he refused. To Socrates, the law was the law, and 88 00:05:20,000 --> 00:05:23,200 Speaker 1: while he thought his conviction was bogus, he wasn't about 89 00:05:23,240 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: to undermine the legal system he lived under his whole life. 90 00:05:26,920 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: He saw his death as a final lesson, a demonstration 91 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:34,720 Speaker 1: of his commitment to his principles. Socrates spent his last 92 00:05:34,800 --> 00:05:37,839 Speaker 1: day in prison and the hours before his execution with 93 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:42,400 Speaker 1: his friends and students. They were beside themselves, begging him 94 00:05:42,400 --> 00:05:46,479 Speaker 1: to escape, but he stayed calm, discussing philosophy until the 95 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:51,360 Speaker 1: very end. Finally, Socrates took the cup of hemlock, drank 96 00:05:51,400 --> 00:05:55,800 Speaker 1: it without any hesitation, and then continued talking until the 97 00:05:55,839 --> 00:05:59,640 Speaker 1: poison took effect. His final words were to remind a 98 00:05:59,720 --> 00:06:02,560 Speaker 1: friend to offer a sacrifice to the god of healing, 99 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 1: perhaps a final ironic nod to his belief that death 100 00:06:07,440 --> 00:06:11,120 Speaker 1: was actually a kind of cure. So why was Socrates 101 00:06:11,120 --> 00:06:14,279 Speaker 1: forced to kill himself. It wasn't only because he was 102 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:18,120 Speaker 1: disliked by some powerful people. It was also because he 103 00:06:18,240 --> 00:06:23,279 Speaker 1: represented something that really unsettles powerful people even today, not 104 00:06:23,480 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: just the Athenian big shots. It's the power of questioning 105 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:32,160 Speaker 1: and critical thinking. He challenged the status quo. His questions, 106 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,960 Speaker 1: his refusal to conform, and his influence over young people 107 00:06:36,440 --> 00:06:40,560 Speaker 1: made him the perfect scapegoat for the city's anxieties. What's 108 00:06:40,640 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 1: interesting is what was meant to silence Socrates only turned 109 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: up the noise. His death made him a martyr for 110 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,880 Speaker 1: freethinking and questioning, and a symbol of the struggle against 111 00:06:51,880 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 1: ignorance and repression. His teachings were amplified by his disciples 112 00:06:56,600 --> 00:07:00,800 Speaker 1: like Plato and later Aristotle. So yet, you can have 113 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,040 Speaker 1: a big mouth and it can cost you. But if 114 00:07:04,080 --> 00:07:07,359 Speaker 1: it's based on the search for truth and wisdom, maybe 115 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:11,560 Speaker 1: it's worth it. Socrates life and his death teach us 116 00:07:11,600 --> 00:07:15,520 Speaker 1: the value of questioning even when it feels dangerous, and 117 00:07:15,560 --> 00:07:18,360 Speaker 1: what we realize is that a lot of times the 118 00:07:18,400 --> 00:07:35,560 Speaker 1: most important questions have uncomfortable but really important answers. Hope 119 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: you like the Backstory with Patty Steele. 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