WEBVTT - Dunzo or Not Dunzo (6/28/2017) 0:00:02.040 --> 0:00:04.720 Welcome to the solid verbal. 0:00:04.880 --> 0:00:08.440 I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've 0:00:08.480 --> 0:00:10.680 heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy, 0:00:10.800 --> 0:00:13.000 you want to be happy for dake adoth state. 0:00:13.360 --> 0:00:19.479 Is that? Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye, welcome back 0:00:19.480 --> 0:00:21.919 to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My name is 0:00:21.960 --> 0:00:25.520 ty Hildon Brand joining me over there, beautiful New York City, 0:00:26.200 --> 0:00:28.200 a fine gentleman who goes by the name of mister 0:00:28.360 --> 0:00:30.080 Dan Rubinstein. Sir, how are you? 0:00:30.800 --> 0:00:34.080 I'm good? I am. I am single once again, Tye, 0:00:35.600 --> 0:00:39.120 I am single just because oh we don't okay, so 0:00:39.200 --> 0:00:43.160 our pal adam a means, said the verbal wife. Because 0:00:43.200 --> 0:00:46.080 if if Kate is solid wife, Kate verbal wife, Jody 0:00:46.120 --> 0:00:47.199 with an eye, I don't know. 0:00:47.520 --> 0:00:48.760 I like Jody with an eye. 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:52.840 Jody with an eye is on her way back over 0:00:52.880 --> 0:00:55.120 the Atlantic. But I have been once again a bachelor 0:00:55.160 --> 0:00:57.120 of New York for four days. And do you want 0:00:57.120 --> 0:00:58.440 to know how I spent that time? 0:00:58.560 --> 0:00:58.920 Tie? 0:00:59.040 --> 0:01:00.760 Probably not, but here it is. 0:01:00.840 --> 0:01:02.840 I mean I would imagine a lot of wild partying, 0:01:02.920 --> 0:01:05.000 a lot of bar hopping, things of that ilk. 0:01:06.080 --> 0:01:08.959 It was Crossford Puzzle Night two nights ago. And by 0:01:08.959 --> 0:01:10.920 that I mean I was alone in my apartment doing 0:01:11.120 --> 0:01:15.000 New York Times Tuesday crossword puzzles. Let's see. I cooked 0:01:15.000 --> 0:01:19.320 a little bit, I did some laundry, some Sidoku. No tie, 0:01:19.480 --> 0:01:22.360 that's crazy, that's international puzzling. I'm not ready for that. 0:01:23.240 --> 0:01:26.800 So that's all that's going on right now in my life, gratefully. 0:01:27.120 --> 0:01:30.360 So it's been low key. And actually when working on 0:01:31.040 --> 0:01:33.720 nobody knows about this outside of Espionation and people that 0:01:33.760 --> 0:01:38.040 are tight with Espianation. People been working on an incredibly 0:01:38.280 --> 0:01:43.080 fun top secret project, top se secret top secret projects 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.720 across the Espianation universe that the world will see is. 0:01:46.959 --> 0:01:49.160 Something that rather than I know about this, do you 0:01:49.240 --> 0:01:51.760 do know about this? Okay? So right, all right, I 0:01:51.800 --> 0:01:53.920 know what you're talking about now. Yeah, it is a 0:01:54.040 --> 0:01:56.280 very cool idea, if I don't say so myself, and 0:01:56.320 --> 0:01:59.080 I'm a little biased because you know, we're co host 0:01:59.160 --> 0:02:01.400 and friends here, but it's a very cool idea. 0:02:01.920 --> 0:02:04.280 Yes, So that'll be happening sooner rather than later in 0:02:04.320 --> 0:02:07.600 the Espianation college football universe, so you'll keep your eyes peeled. 0:02:08.600 --> 0:02:12.359 But other than that, tie, life has been good. No complaints. 0:02:12.360 --> 0:02:14.560 How you doing, I am doing well. 0:02:14.600 --> 0:02:19.720 It dawned on me after our last show that I 0:02:19.800 --> 0:02:23.880 referred people to solid verbal dot com to sign up 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:26.680 for our newsletter, the Newsletter of Intent, and we started 0:02:26.680 --> 0:02:29.960 getting tweets and emails like, we can't quite find the link, 0:02:29.960 --> 0:02:34.040 and my reaction was one of defensiveness until I went 0:02:34.080 --> 0:02:35.840 to our website and noticed that I had taken the 0:02:35.880 --> 0:02:37.560 link down. So if you go on out there now 0:02:37.639 --> 0:02:39.480 look right at the top, there is. 0:02:39.480 --> 0:02:41.600 Only trueverballers can find it. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:44.400 That's right, There's no more Easter egg on Solid verbal 0:02:44.440 --> 0:02:47.799 dot com. You can literally now click on the white 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:51.120 newsletter link in the main menu and sign up again. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:54.280 If you want more information about our live show, which 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.520 we're working on, t shirts, any other news that might 0:02:58.560 --> 0:03:02.360 arise between now and the start the season. Any of 0:03:02.360 --> 0:03:06.680 that stuff you can find and get notified about via 0:03:06.720 --> 0:03:10.680 our Newsletter of Intent. So stay tuned to there. So 0:03:12.000 --> 0:03:13.000 what are we doing today? 0:03:13.400 --> 0:03:15.240 So we've got a theme episode. We've done this in 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:19.040 years past, sometimes during the season, sometimes during the off season, 0:03:19.400 --> 0:03:21.680 and this is just a ten thousand and thirty thousand 0:03:21.760 --> 0:03:25.919 foot view of figuring out if a team or situation 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:28.919 or something as it relates to college football is done 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:31.640 or not done. So and you might be saying to yourself, 0:03:32.080 --> 0:03:35.200 why would Dan and or Tie ever say the word donzo? 0:03:35.520 --> 0:03:36.400 What is grown men? 0:03:36.560 --> 0:03:37.440 Right? What does that mean? 0:03:39.000 --> 0:03:42.960 It is a word that our good friend, Kristin Cavaleri 0:03:43.200 --> 0:03:47.720 very good fused, yes, very dear, dear friend married to 0:03:47.760 --> 0:03:52.600 a former SEC football player Jay Cutler, uttered on the 0:03:52.680 --> 0:03:57.000 now infamous show Laguna Beach. And we just figure out 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.600 if something is done Zoe or not done so. And 0:04:01.280 --> 0:04:03.680 that is as simple as it is. But because it 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:06.360 is the off season, people have a wide array of 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:09.119 topics that we need to deep dive and figure out 0:04:09.120 --> 0:04:11.560 if they're done so or not done. So we've sometimes 0:04:11.600 --> 0:04:14.360 had West Coast Kevin on he is not joining us tonight. 0:04:15.120 --> 0:04:17.520 But I like the list a whole lot, And then 0:04:18.520 --> 0:04:22.919 I think because people requested it, and it's it's pretty 0:04:22.920 --> 0:04:26.960 personal to us. Near the end, our final Dunzo not 0:04:27.080 --> 0:04:29.680 Dunzo will sort of tie into and we're not going 0:04:29.720 --> 0:04:33.360 to declare it Dunzo or not Dunzo. But you know, 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:37.240 lot of bummery things happening around, happening around college football 0:04:37.279 --> 0:04:40.640 media and people want to know what's going on. So yeah, 0:04:40.680 --> 0:04:42.599 we'll do our best, but I mean we're we're on 0:04:42.640 --> 0:04:43.920 the outside. 0:04:43.480 --> 0:04:46.560 So again, Dunzo or not done. So it's a show 0:04:46.560 --> 0:04:49.840 that we've done three times before. We didn't last year. 0:04:50.040 --> 0:04:54.640 We're basically evaluating things that we view in the college 0:04:54.680 --> 0:04:59.480 football world that are like just about couput like are 0:04:59.520 --> 0:05:02.120 they there? Are they not there yet? If they are there, 0:05:02.120 --> 0:05:05.440 if we think they're done, Zoe, that's the sound clip. 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:08.760 M hm, that's the sound clip. We're not gonna play 0:05:08.760 --> 0:05:11.000 any sound if they're not done, Zoe. I'm not declaring 0:05:11.040 --> 0:05:12.719 them anything. We're just saying they've got a stay of 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:17.839 execution to some degree. If you did see Laguna Beach, 0:05:17.960 --> 0:05:23.640 you'll remember this song kind of lead in here set 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:29.520 some mood music. Dan. Yes, the why is the great 0:05:29.560 --> 0:05:33.120 Hillary Duff. Okay, So what we did is we thought 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.640 up someone on our own. We also went out to 0:05:35.720 --> 0:05:38.359 Twitter and asked if anyone out there had any suggestion. So, 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:41.039 you know, got a lot of what's a good one? 0:05:41.680 --> 0:05:46.679 Jim Mora? Right, what is Jim Mora? What's he doing 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:47.400 at UCLA? 0:05:47.560 --> 0:05:50.560 Dan? How many wins does Jim Mora need to keep? Okay, 0:05:50.600 --> 0:05:54.200 So we received are one hundredth question about Jim Morra's 0:05:54.279 --> 0:06:01.640 job security, and honestly, it feels just like yesterday where 0:06:01.680 --> 0:06:05.040 we received our first question of what he wins? Does 0:06:05.120 --> 0:06:07.800 Jim more in need? What's Jim Moore's job security? Likely 0:06:07.880 --> 0:06:10.839 you Josh Row's gonna help turn around this offense is 0:06:10.880 --> 0:06:14.280 Jim Morris. We will not be talking about Jim Moore. 0:06:14.760 --> 0:06:15.520 I just cannot. 0:06:15.920 --> 0:06:17.720 We'll not be talking about Jim Moore. And we're also 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:21.039 going to try and veer away from some of the 0:06:21.040 --> 0:06:23.920 stuff that we've discussed a lot this offseason. So think 0:06:23.920 --> 0:06:27.640 of it less in terms of will Butch Jones be 0:06:27.920 --> 0:06:32.800 Tennessee's coach beyond twenty seventeen, and more along the lines 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.680 of some of the bigger picture type stuff. Let's talk 0:06:36.680 --> 0:06:43.280 about our first topic here, Dan, very first topic. I'm 0:06:43.279 --> 0:06:45.800 not asking about Butch Jones. I'm asking about Chip Kelly. 0:06:46.440 --> 0:06:49.280 And I'm asking is Chip Kelly going to be a 0:06:49.320 --> 0:06:52.400 college football coach in the year twenty twenty, Gunzo or 0:06:52.480 --> 0:06:53.080 not Donzo. 0:06:53.279 --> 0:06:58.320 Let's go with Chip Kelly's college football coaching career in 0:06:58.400 --> 0:07:01.360 the near so in the next two to. 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.280 Three years, next two to three years, a near term 0:07:04.640 --> 0:07:07.000 college football coaching career in the near. 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:11.440 Term, I'm gonna say not done. So okay, explain not 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.239 done so so here's here's my explanation. So Chip Kelly 0:07:14.280 --> 0:07:16.600 will be at ESPN this fall. We know this. He's 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.600 doing studio stuff in Connecticut. He's not going to be 0:07:18.640 --> 0:07:20.480 out on the road like Urban Meyer was when he 0:07:20.520 --> 0:07:23.840 went to ESPN. He will be doing both college and 0:07:24.040 --> 0:07:27.920 NFL stuff. I believe That's what I've been told for ESPN. 0:07:28.000 --> 0:07:29.480 So we'll have a, you know, a hand in each 0:07:29.520 --> 0:07:33.000 of those worlds. But I feel like, because this is 0:07:33.040 --> 0:07:38.120 my feeling, his reputation in college is much higher right 0:07:38.160 --> 0:07:40.000 now than it is in the pros, even though it's 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:41.840 taken a hit. I would say in both places, just 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:46.520 because he's been in the public eye. I'm thinking that 0:07:46.760 --> 0:07:50.640 Tennessee will not be attractive to him. I don't think 0:07:50.640 --> 0:07:53.160 Florida is going to open up. Texas A and M 0:07:53.320 --> 0:07:58.560 might be, but I think he's more coastal minded it. 0:07:58.720 --> 0:08:01.160 And I'm not going to talk about jimor Jmore's job security. 0:08:01.160 --> 0:08:05.800 But if there were a job that opened up in California, 0:08:05.840 --> 0:08:10.240 in Los Angeles and it would be CLA, that would 0:08:10.320 --> 0:08:13.120 be the job. I will say within the next two 0:08:13.240 --> 0:08:15.960 or three years. To next two or three years, chip 0:08:16.080 --> 0:08:19.800 Kelly will have a non sec college football coaching job. 0:08:20.120 --> 0:08:23.160 Let me ask you a hypothetical though, along those same lines, please, 0:08:23.240 --> 0:08:28.800 Between Tennessee, Florida, and Texas A and m IF any 0:08:28.880 --> 0:08:31.760 or all of those programs believed that they could hire 0:08:31.840 --> 0:08:35.040 Chip Kelly tomorrow, how many of them would fire their 0:08:35.040 --> 0:08:36.520 head football coach right now. 0:08:36.920 --> 0:08:39.439 I don't think Florida would. I mean, Florida's won a 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.240 couple secees. I mean, there's some questions about recruiting, but 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:45.200 they finished quite strong this past signing day. They you know, 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:49.160 quarterback has still been an issue. Tennessee potentially, I. 0:08:49.120 --> 0:08:51.240 Think tennes would do it. They would pull the trigger. 0:08:51.960 --> 0:08:53.720 Yeah, well, like I don't think Butch wants to be 0:08:53.760 --> 0:08:57.720 there all that much. But yes, I think Tennessee would. 0:08:57.760 --> 0:08:59.920 I think Texas A and M probably will. 0:09:00.320 --> 0:09:02.680 Yeah. Yeah, I think two of the three would probably 0:09:02.679 --> 0:09:05.240 do it. I tend to agree with you. It's not done, though. 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:08.920 Chip Kelly is someone who I think has it woven 0:09:08.960 --> 0:09:11.559 into the fiber of his being that he's a football coach. 0:09:12.200 --> 0:09:15.559 The problem for him, as I know you know full well, 0:09:16.200 --> 0:09:19.480 is there were aspects of being a college football coach 0:09:19.520 --> 0:09:21.520 that didn't appeal to him. You want to do like 0:09:22.080 --> 0:09:24.160 the booster stuff, the golf tournaments. He wanted to be 0:09:24.160 --> 0:09:26.320 a football coach. He wanted to do X and O's stuff, 0:09:26.679 --> 0:09:29.280 and at least to that degree, the NFL was a 0:09:29.320 --> 0:09:32.000 better fit for him. His system did not translate to 0:09:32.040 --> 0:09:34.600 the next level, but he still does have a very 0:09:34.600 --> 0:09:38.720 good reputation among the college ranks. I would imagine there's 0:09:38.760 --> 0:09:40.600 gonna be a lot of money floating around out there 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:44.160 for Chip Kelly in the relatively near term after he 0:09:44.200 --> 0:09:47.960 gets through this one year stint with ESPN, there will 0:09:47.960 --> 0:09:52.000 be teams who require and desire his services. So I 0:09:52.240 --> 0:09:54.840 just I think there's too much coach still in him. 0:09:54.880 --> 0:09:57.960 He's still a young guy. He will be back on 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.000 the saddle before long. 0:09:59.440 --> 0:10:01.800 Yeah, imagine. One of the things that I think about 0:10:01.920 --> 0:10:03.760 is like where he would want to be and what 0:10:03.880 --> 0:10:07.000 type of situation, And so Oregon is sort of away 0:10:07.120 --> 0:10:11.800 from the sort of mainstream you know, the South, the Southwest, whatever, 0:10:12.360 --> 0:10:14.960 and the Midwest obviously is huge, and that the very 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:17.280 specific region you know, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, that 0:10:17.440 --> 0:10:20.320 that sort of triangle in Michigan State too, a slightly 0:10:20.400 --> 0:10:24.520 lesser extent after last year, but it seems like maybe 0:10:24.920 --> 0:10:27.960 second tier in terms of attentions like the Larry Fedora 0:10:28.080 --> 0:10:30.880 left North Carolina, that kind of thing where he could 0:10:30.880 --> 0:10:32.959 just sort of slide in. He's not the main show. 0:10:33.000 --> 0:10:36.120 It's a basketball school. That's the type of place I 0:10:36.160 --> 0:10:38.120 could see him ending up and thriving. 0:10:38.440 --> 0:10:42.080 Chip Kelly, not done, Zoe. When it comes to coaching 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:47.640 in the near term, it's moving. Let me stay on 0:10:47.679 --> 0:10:52.640 the coaching side, Dan. Okay, this is a topic that 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:57.800 you and I have kicked around on occasion. We haven't 0:10:57.800 --> 0:11:01.560 talked about it on the show too recently, but it 0:11:01.640 --> 0:11:04.840 came up each of the last two years, specifically because 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:09.280 there was a Clemson Alabama national championship. There seems to 0:11:09.320 --> 0:11:11.920 be a school of thought that, at some point in time, 0:11:12.120 --> 0:11:16.480 because Dabo Sweeney went to Alabama, if Nick Saban retires, 0:11:16.520 --> 0:11:19.960 perhaps he'd be interested in going back to his alma mater. 0:11:20.000 --> 0:11:21.680 You have to assume that they would be interested in 0:11:21.720 --> 0:11:25.199 bringing him over. But there seems to be a school 0:11:25.200 --> 0:11:28.040 of thought out there. Maybe it's a wishful thinking that 0:11:29.240 --> 0:11:31.520 Dabo would consider coaching Alabama. 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.760 So we'll frame it like this, five years of Clemson 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:41.560 career in the future for Dabo, Donzo or not done. 0:11:41.600 --> 0:11:45.800 So Okay, Dunzo or not donez Dan not done. So 0:11:46.000 --> 0:11:48.520 I think Dabo's locked in. I think Dabo's locked in, 0:11:48.640 --> 0:11:51.200 and Alabama will go in a different direction. Once you 0:11:51.240 --> 0:11:54.080 win a national championship somewhere, once you've built what he's 0:11:54.120 --> 0:11:57.120 built at Clemson, you know, you can make a pretty 0:11:57.120 --> 0:12:00.480 easy argument that the Alabama job is more prestigious. But 0:12:00.600 --> 0:12:03.439 there have been many like, why would you ever ever 0:12:03.679 --> 0:12:07.520 ever want to follow Nick Saban at Alabama? That just 0:12:07.559 --> 0:12:11.680 seems Dabo's a smart dude. Dabo's a shrewd guy. He 0:12:11.880 --> 0:12:15.560 knows very clearly what he's doing at this point. He's 0:12:15.600 --> 0:12:21.160 a championship college football coach. Life. He's I think the 0:12:21.160 --> 0:12:22.679 best modern Clemson coach. 0:12:22.880 --> 0:12:23.600 Oh definitely. 0:12:24.080 --> 0:12:25.480 I mean there's, you know, a ton of love for 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:27.440 Danny Ford and stuff like that, but in terms of 0:12:27.480 --> 0:12:30.760 the modern Clemson era, he is in that whole region, 0:12:31.360 --> 0:12:35.199 he is the best coach. So like mid Atlantic, you know, 0:12:35.280 --> 0:12:36.760 Upper South what I don't know what region that is? 0:12:36.800 --> 0:12:40.480 What am I talking about? But do not follow Nick Saban? 0:12:40.960 --> 0:12:42.680 Do not. You don't want to be the guy that 0:12:42.760 --> 0:12:44.520 follows the guy. Don't want to be the guy after 0:12:44.559 --> 0:12:44.880 the guy. 0:12:44.960 --> 0:12:46.880 I agree, Dabo's too smart. Too. 0:12:47.000 --> 0:12:50.120 I agree with you the notion. I want to play 0:12:50.160 --> 0:12:51.640 the sound. So I'm just going to say the notion 0:12:51.760 --> 0:12:53.480 of him going to Alabama I think has done so 0:12:53.920 --> 0:12:57.120 well that to me is done. So Okay, I don't 0:12:57.120 --> 0:12:59.480 think he's leaving Clemson. Once you get the hardware, Yeah, 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:01.520 I think he and write his own ticket for as 0:13:01.520 --> 0:13:03.440 long as he wants in Clemson, South Carolina. 0:13:03.600 --> 0:13:06.040 I think who would be that person to leave Jimbo. 0:13:06.280 --> 0:13:10.960 He's probably probably the favorite to get that job at 0:13:10.960 --> 0:13:13.560 some point. Lord knows he's Florida with Alabama. He's used 0:13:13.559 --> 0:13:16.079 Alabama to get a better contract. 0:13:16.600 --> 0:13:18.959 And you know, you hear the whispers that there's an 0:13:18.960 --> 0:13:23.079 itch that perhaps Tallahassee isn't scratching. 0:13:23.240 --> 0:13:25.520 Perhaps he wants to get out of Tallahassee, you know, 0:13:25.600 --> 0:13:29.439 for personal reasons or whatnot. Raw, I don't know. I'll 0:13:29.440 --> 0:13:30.880 believe it when I see at Florida State. It's a 0:13:30.880 --> 0:13:31.520 pretty good job. 0:13:32.320 --> 0:13:33.160 It's a very good job. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:35.880 Yeah. Where are we going next? Dan? Let's play the music? 0:13:35.880 --> 0:13:36.719 Where were going next? Here? 0:13:38.679 --> 0:13:43.880 Let's go here? Let's go with Oh god, I do 0:13:43.960 --> 0:13:46.120 not like our options here, ty, I do not. Okay, 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:49.120 let's go with the big twelve over the next five years, okay, 0:13:49.280 --> 0:13:51.680 is the Big twelve? And I will not have to 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:55.360 to reframe the question and the donzonis it's the Big twelve? Donzo, 0:13:55.440 --> 0:13:58.880 it's in the next five years ten teams, is it? 0:13:58.960 --> 0:13:59.720 Don So? Okay? 0:14:00.200 --> 0:14:03.480 Yes, they flirt with a number of potential candidates this 0:14:03.559 --> 0:14:07.040 past year before ultimately deciding not to expand back to 0:14:07.200 --> 0:14:11.160 twelve or however many teams, and there's certainly attractive schools 0:14:11.200 --> 0:14:15.720 out there for various reasons, both football and otherwise. Is 0:14:15.760 --> 0:14:19.840 the Big twelve as they are trying to reshape TV, deal, 0:14:20.280 --> 0:14:24.600 conference network, everything that goes along with being an alleged 0:14:24.680 --> 0:14:30.240 major conference donezo within the next five years, I don't think. So, Okay, 0:14:30.320 --> 0:14:33.600 you don't think teams will be scattering Texas and Oklahoma 0:14:33.600 --> 0:14:35.480 off to the Pac twelve, et cetera, et cetera. 0:14:35.600 --> 0:14:39.200 I don't. I think in order for that to happen, 0:14:40.000 --> 0:14:41.920 you're not just talking about the Big twelve. You're talking 0:14:41.960 --> 0:14:46.960 about a seismic shift in college football as a whole. 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:49.800 You know, you're talking about creating like a Pangaea Conference 0:14:49.840 --> 0:14:53.920 with some sort of massive realignment taking place all throughout 0:14:53.960 --> 0:14:57.160 the sport. I don't see that happening. I think they 0:14:57.200 --> 0:15:01.120 will find a way to keep it somewhat solvent. I 0:15:01.160 --> 0:15:04.560 am not the math wizard behind that plan, and so 0:15:04.640 --> 0:15:07.160 I'm not going to sit here and dot i's or 0:15:07.200 --> 0:15:09.400 cross t's and tell you exactly how they get there. 0:15:09.880 --> 0:15:13.480 But it just seems like a heavy lift for the 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:17.320 conference as a whole to dissolve. Now. Could Texas be 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:21.200 courted by the PAC Twelve, by the Big Ten, by anybody? 0:15:21.400 --> 0:15:21.600 Yeah? 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:25.560 Absolutely. I just think there's too much there to keep 0:15:25.600 --> 0:15:28.400 them where they're at and preserve the status quo. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:33.200 I think the Big Twelve may be done though, whoa wow. 0:15:33.560 --> 0:15:35.120 And I'm going to tell you why. It has nothing 0:15:35.280 --> 0:15:38.120 specifically to do with where the Big Twelve is today 0:15:38.240 --> 0:15:41.160 in twenty seventeen. It has something to do with the 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:43.640 fact that I think within the next five years we 0:15:43.680 --> 0:15:47.200 are going to see chaos beyond college football, just in 0:15:47.280 --> 0:15:50.400 terms of media rights as those deals start drying up. 0:15:50.640 --> 0:15:54.120 And I think those rights deals are going to start 0:15:54.160 --> 0:15:57.680 spreading thinner, not necessarily less money, but we're going to 0:15:57.760 --> 0:16:00.840 be going across digital and traditional PLATF forms. If you know, 0:16:01.400 --> 0:16:04.760 places like Google and Apple and Hulu and netflick, you know, 0:16:05.080 --> 0:16:09.480 all these entities, Amazon step into the media, fray Apple 0:16:09.560 --> 0:16:16.400 hired what Sony executives? Yeah, so I as money is 0:16:16.480 --> 0:16:21.400 sort of getting wider. I think it becomes more difficult 0:16:21.480 --> 0:16:23.720 for a place like the Big twelve to figure out 0:16:23.800 --> 0:16:28.120 exactly what it wants to do. And I am just 0:16:28.240 --> 0:16:32.880 betting on chaos. The fact that conferences with really good 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:36.200 TV deals like the Big Ten and the SEC are 0:16:36.200 --> 0:16:40.080 making so much more money than Group of five schools, 0:16:40.120 --> 0:16:42.440 a little bit more money than conferences like the ACC. 0:16:42.640 --> 0:16:44.400 But who was about to get their own network a 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:47.760 new deal in the Pac twelve that I think the 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:51.640 divide is such that the structure of the sport is 0:16:51.640 --> 0:16:55.520 going to have to change just because the money is 0:16:55.600 --> 0:17:01.160 so it's going in so many different directions, very different levels. 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:06.200 So I'm going to wager on chaos. And the Big 0:17:06.240 --> 0:17:09.240 twelve is the least stable of the major conferences, so 0:17:09.800 --> 0:17:11.320 I'm fine with saying that they're done. 0:17:11.320 --> 0:17:13.760 So who knows what's going to happen in five, six, 0:17:13.840 --> 0:17:16.919 seven years from now when it comes to consuming media. 0:17:17.080 --> 0:17:19.720 Do you think the Big twelve has a product problem? 0:17:19.840 --> 0:17:23.720 I think the problem with the product is that because 0:17:23.840 --> 0:17:28.000 it has historically been offense offense, offense, people have difficulty 0:17:28.040 --> 0:17:28.840 taking them seriously. 0:17:29.240 --> 0:17:31.480 Ty, do you know last year as I look at 0:17:31.600 --> 0:17:37.280 college football standings against AP teams AP ranked teams Big 0:17:37.359 --> 0:17:42.639 twelve teams outside of Oklahoma, so West Virginia, Kansas State, TCU, Texas, 0:17:42.680 --> 0:17:46.720 Texas Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, how many combined wins 0:17:46.760 --> 0:17:51.360 they had against teams ranked in the apeople Is. 0:17:51.320 --> 0:17:54.040 It a number between zero and one? 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:59.760 So that's how many teams? That's what's seven teams? Yeah, 0:17:59.840 --> 0:18:04.479 it is one. Wow, Baylor won one game against an 0:18:04.480 --> 0:18:08.960 AP ranked team. The rest of the teams were If 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.600 my quick math works out, it looks like nine, fifteen, 0:18:13.080 --> 0:18:17.680 twenty one. Oh for twenty one. Wow, it's not the greatest. 0:18:17.920 --> 0:18:20.320 It's not the greatest. So they have a depth problem, 0:18:20.400 --> 0:18:25.320 they have a perception problem. It's just it's not a 0:18:25.359 --> 0:18:28.000 good time for this conference to be the least exciting 0:18:28.040 --> 0:18:31.040 of the five. And maybe Texas it's a nice springboard. 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.440 Maybe Oklahoma with a new brand with Lincoln Riley. In 0:18:33.480 --> 0:18:35.440 the long term, it'll be you know, stoops players and 0:18:35.440 --> 0:18:37.440 obviously the current staff at least for the next year. 0:18:37.840 --> 0:18:40.680 You know, Matt Campbell at Iowa State Kansas is improving, 0:18:40.720 --> 0:18:42.879 so hopefully more depth moves forward. A lot of people 0:18:42.920 --> 0:18:46.240 like to argue about the cyclical nature of college football, 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:50.800 but it sort of feels like quadruple right now, Okay 0:18:52.040 --> 0:18:53.280 in terms of entertainment. 0:18:53.760 --> 0:18:55.520 So you're saying Dunzel, I'm saying not done. 0:18:55.520 --> 0:18:58.200 So I'm saying Donzo within I'll say six years. 0:18:58.200 --> 0:18:58.360 When? 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.560 So the TV contract is up twenty twenty three? 0:19:00.600 --> 0:19:02.240 All right, where are we going next? 0:19:06.560 --> 0:19:08.800 That's all I'm getting of the musical stab Well, I'm 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:13.400 going the short, okay, short version of coming clean. Okay, 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:18.320 We're gonna go with Nebraska Nebraska football. Yes, and we 0:19:18.359 --> 0:19:21.600 will go with Nebraska threatening to win nine or ten 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:25.880 games in a perennial way like they did under Bo Polini. 0:19:26.400 --> 0:19:28.120 Now that we have a couple of classes of Mike 0:19:28.240 --> 0:19:31.320 Riley and we are sort of seeing how the offense 0:19:31.400 --> 0:19:34.200 and defense are now shifting. It's a new defensive coordinator 0:19:34.200 --> 0:19:37.399 this year with Bob Diaco. It's a new quarterback Tanner Lee, 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:40.680 which has elicited a ton of different reactions without even 0:19:40.720 --> 0:19:44.320 playing a game or starting a game from Nebraska. Is 0:19:44.440 --> 0:19:51.400 Nebraska Donzo starting today late June as a team threatening 0:19:51.480 --> 0:19:53.159 nine or ten wins every season? 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:56.960 So year in year out perennial contender for ten wins. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:00.439 Yes, they go nine to four last year with the ball. 0:20:00.480 --> 0:20:02.200 When they go six and three in the Big Ten, 0:20:02.760 --> 0:20:04.680 they don't lose a game at home, two and three 0:20:04.680 --> 0:20:06.480 on the road. Done, so. 0:20:08.240 --> 0:20:09.240 I'm not fearing one. 0:20:09.600 --> 0:20:10.520 Okay, why is that? 0:20:10.840 --> 0:20:13.440 First Off, the Big Ten has gotten a lot better. 0:20:14.200 --> 0:20:17.960 It's not just on the eastern side of the of 0:20:18.000 --> 0:20:21.880 the conference, but there's enough money throughout the Big Ten 0:20:21.960 --> 0:20:24.639 that you've got coaches like PJ. Fleck coming in the 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:29.360 West taking over Minnesota. For a while, the Big Ten 0:20:29.440 --> 0:20:32.120 West has felt like the lesser of the two divisions 0:20:32.200 --> 0:20:36.920 in that conference. I think gradually that will change. Gradually 0:20:37.000 --> 0:20:39.119 they will equalize out a little bit, which will make 0:20:39.160 --> 0:20:41.480 it a little bit more difficult for anyone to run 0:20:41.480 --> 0:20:46.080 away with it. Well, because Nebraska inherently has some difficulty 0:20:46.119 --> 0:20:48.760 attracting like top fight players. You know, it's always been 0:20:48.800 --> 0:20:51.080 a difficult place to recruit to and I think if 0:20:51.080 --> 0:20:53.479 you now have more competition on that side of the division, 0:20:53.520 --> 0:20:56.840 it makes it all the more difficult to contend and 0:20:56.880 --> 0:21:01.359 perhaps ways he did years past. Beyond that, I'm not 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:05.359 totally sold on Mike Riley yet. Ten wins, knowing that 0:21:05.400 --> 0:21:08.919 they've got Wisconsin on one side, knowing that they've got 0:21:09.280 --> 0:21:12.280 at least three heavyweights on the other side of the conference, 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.760 depending on who they play in a given year, I 0:21:15.760 --> 0:21:17.560 could see him getting the ten wins, But I'm not 0:21:17.600 --> 0:21:19.639 going to sit here and tell you that in the 0:21:19.680 --> 0:21:22.880 near term ten wins is a possibility for Nebraska year 0:21:22.880 --> 0:21:24.440 in a year out, that just feels like a bridge 0:21:24.480 --> 0:21:25.119 too far from me. 0:21:26.119 --> 0:21:28.560 Yeah, Nebraska has some nice pieces on defense. I'm not 0:21:28.600 --> 0:21:34.080 a big fan of optimism about Tannerley coming in and 0:21:34.200 --> 0:21:38.399 drastically improving the quarterback situation. Offensive skill talent is down 0:21:38.880 --> 0:21:41.399 entering this season. You know, there's still some holdover pieces 0:21:41.400 --> 0:21:45.679 that are interesting. But at this point, with how they 0:21:45.760 --> 0:21:47.679 finished out the year, I think they combined for thirteen 0:21:47.760 --> 0:21:51.960 or fourteen points combined in two of their losses at 0:21:51.960 --> 0:21:53.959 the back half or the last month of last season. 0:21:55.000 --> 0:21:57.879 I just I'm not a big believer in Mike Riley 0:21:57.960 --> 0:22:01.040 as upper echelon co in the year out. 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:02.959 I mean, take take this year is a good example. 0:22:02.960 --> 0:22:07.760 Wisconsin should be pretty good again, it should be pretty good. Iowa. Absolutely, 0:22:08.160 --> 0:22:12.360 I was always like, what seven or eight win team 0:22:12.200 --> 0:22:15.359 and just following that category. At least Minnesota got a 0:22:15.359 --> 0:22:17.479 new coach, a lot of excitement there, they got, they 0:22:17.480 --> 0:22:19.800 got a ways though. I would assume if Fleck's there 0:22:19.840 --> 0:22:21.680 for an extended period of time, he will find a 0:22:21.680 --> 0:22:24.119 way to build them up, get him at least to 0:22:24.200 --> 0:22:26.040 a better point than they are right now. And they 0:22:26.080 --> 0:22:29.760 went on and for last year. Overall, Northwestern this year, 0:22:30.040 --> 0:22:33.000 as Bill Connolly pointed out, could be like a sleeper 0:22:33.000 --> 0:22:37.680 Big Ten West contender. Sure should be pretty good this year. Illinois, 0:22:37.680 --> 0:22:38.840 who knows about Illinois. 0:22:39.119 --> 0:22:41.120 Illinois, It's not gonna be good. 0:22:41.160 --> 0:22:43.760 Illinois is a mess. But Purdue just hired a new coach, 0:22:44.600 --> 0:22:45.359 hired a good guy. 0:22:45.920 --> 0:22:46.560 Ways to go. 0:22:46.800 --> 0:22:51.399 So I'm just saying the level of coaching aptitude in 0:22:51.440 --> 0:22:54.239 the Big Ten West has I think gone up. 0:22:54.280 --> 0:22:55.879 No, it definitely looks more entertaining. 0:22:56.560 --> 0:22:57.800 Definitely more entertaining. 0:22:59.040 --> 0:23:04.080 Yeah, what about that Nebraska fans Dunzo or not Donzo 0:23:04.280 --> 0:23:06.640 believing that they root for an A list program? 0:23:07.080 --> 0:23:09.720 Oh, definitely not done. So okay, you know, I hate 0:23:09.760 --> 0:23:12.639 to say that we have Nebraska people. Somebody asked us 0:23:12.640 --> 0:23:16.240 why we hate Nebraska fans. We don't hate Nebraska Fansbrako, don't. No, 0:23:16.359 --> 0:23:16.720 I don't. 0:23:17.280 --> 0:23:20.080 I thought this show is founded on the very basic 0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:21.600 principle that we hate Nebraska. 0:23:21.800 --> 0:23:26.440 Nebraska people were so nice that I was taken aback 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:26.680 by it. 0:23:26.720 --> 0:23:29.639 They're always very That's where I met a playboy playmate, Tailgating. 0:23:29.800 --> 0:23:30.159 That's right. 0:23:30.200 --> 0:23:32.000 I've always hold a special place in my heart and 0:23:32.080 --> 0:23:32.639 on my wall. 0:23:33.160 --> 0:23:38.440 All right, Dan, let me ask you this one. Okay, 0:23:38.680 --> 0:23:43.240 mattress is not named Casper Dunze or not Donezo. 0:23:43.480 --> 0:23:47.120 Completely donezo ty. Yeah, didn't have to think twice. 0:23:47.720 --> 0:23:51.560 So a little bit of an announcement here. I saw 0:23:51.600 --> 0:23:53.800 you this past weekend. 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It is difficult 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.840 to get rid of mattresses in a large city, so 0:24:26.119 --> 0:24:28.440 we have to like time it up with our building, 0:24:28.720 --> 0:24:30.679 and they've we've been going back and forth with them 0:24:30.680 --> 0:24:32.120 about the best time to get rid of it because 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:34.439 you have to get like a special sleeve because of 0:24:34.480 --> 0:24:37.480 bedbug concerns in New York in order to dispose of 0:24:37.520 --> 0:24:38.520 a mattress properly. 0:24:38.640 --> 0:24:41.800 I was under the impression that the responsible way to 0:24:42.240 --> 0:24:44.119 dispose of a mattress was just to drive out in 0:24:44.119 --> 0:24:46.040 the highway and throw it along the side by the guarden. 0:24:46.760 --> 0:24:49.840 Not as not from understanding, that was not how New 0:24:49.880 --> 0:24:53.600 York City works. So I will be putting it on 0:24:54.160 --> 0:24:56.640 my bedspring. Is that what it's called? 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Go get that danky, 0:26:48.080 --> 0:26:48.880 danky Casper. 0:26:52.840 --> 0:26:56.200 All right, Dan, We actually solicited a bunch of these. 0:26:56.040 --> 0:26:59.080 On Wait, hold on, is danky a good word? 0:26:59.600 --> 0:27:00.280 I don't think so? 0:27:01.200 --> 0:27:03.800 Okay, So go get the stickiest stuff. Nope, we don't 0:27:03.800 --> 0:27:06.760 want to talk talk about the mattresses sticky, So go 0:27:07.200 --> 0:27:09.800 get that good stuff, that good, good Casper. 0:27:10.240 --> 0:27:15.320 We solicited a bunch of suggestions for this show out 0:27:15.320 --> 0:27:18.320 on Twitter. What we're trying to do again is go 0:27:18.400 --> 0:27:21.280 big picture. You're trying to talk about stuff that we 0:27:21.840 --> 0:27:24.200 haven't discussed before in the past. 0:27:25.920 --> 0:27:31.320 The spread offense as a unique offensive system. Donze non done. 0:27:31.359 --> 0:27:37.760 So this is kind of loaded. So why do you 0:27:37.760 --> 0:27:39.680 Why do you say, Donzel? Because the spread is not 0:27:39.920 --> 0:27:44.000 defined as one rigorous set of principles. 0:27:43.560 --> 0:27:48.160 Is it true? True? I just I kind of remember 0:27:49.440 --> 0:27:52.520 when the spread was becoming a thing, because we started 0:27:52.560 --> 0:27:54.960 doing the podcast back then. 0:27:56.000 --> 0:27:59.440 True, when it sort of infiltrated the major programs. 0:27:59.480 --> 0:28:05.119 Yeah, right, when the spread was in vogue and it 0:28:05.160 --> 0:28:11.320 could be utilized as like something that people hadn't seen before, right, 0:28:12.920 --> 0:28:15.360 That was a much much different day and age. Now 0:28:15.400 --> 0:28:19.320 everyone's using some form of the spread or some concepts 0:28:19.359 --> 0:28:22.280 they're borrowing from it. It's not like this new thing 0:28:22.359 --> 0:28:26.199 that people haven't seen before that they can't game plan for. It. 0:28:26.320 --> 0:28:29.720 Certainly can be difficult if you're going from like Navy 0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:32.800 one week to Oregon the next, but by all arge 0:28:32.840 --> 0:28:36.320 people people know what this is. So to call it 0:28:36.359 --> 0:28:40.400 a unique offensive system at this stage in the game, 0:28:40.520 --> 0:28:46.160 I can't go that far. There are definitely wrinkles within it, yeah, 0:28:46.200 --> 0:28:49.080 that make it interesting, that make it entertaining. If you 0:28:49.080 --> 0:28:52.320 would have asked, is it's still entertaining? That's definitely not donezo. 0:28:52.400 --> 0:28:54.960 I love watching a good spread offense, but as a 0:28:55.040 --> 0:28:58.360 unique system that's done so. 0:28:58.360 --> 0:29:00.840 So there have been elements of what we consider to 0:29:00.880 --> 0:29:06.080 be the spread going back decades, sure, and wrinkles throughout time. 0:29:06.120 --> 0:29:09.200 And whether it's the zone read, whether it's running inverted 0:29:09.280 --> 0:29:12.080 veer stuff, whether it's flexbone, which is my favorite new 0:29:12.160 --> 0:29:15.200 term in college football. You know, you look back to 0:29:15.280 --> 0:29:18.239 Kentucky when Mike Leach was there running that offense. They 0:29:18.240 --> 0:29:20.520 were running a ton of air raid principles with Tim 0:29:20.560 --> 0:29:23.720 Couch and what he was doing at Texas Tech predates 0:29:23.800 --> 0:29:26.400 obviously what we did when we started the show, and 0:29:26.520 --> 0:29:29.520 Urban Meyer was developing stuff at Bowling Green and Utah 0:29:29.640 --> 0:29:33.400 and Florida and having success there. So now that you 0:29:33.520 --> 0:29:37.880 watch college football and you see teams even like Alabama Stanford, 0:29:37.960 --> 0:29:43.000 Stanford runs the inverted veer. Stanford runs zone read concepts 0:29:43.040 --> 0:29:46.880 with traditional drop back type quarterbacks that also happen to 0:29:46.920 --> 0:29:49.600 be mobile. Andrew Luck and Kevin Hogan, guys like that. 0:29:49.760 --> 0:29:52.320 We saw what Jalen Hurts did at Alabama this year 0:29:52.360 --> 0:29:55.440 as they sort of poorted their offense into having principles 0:29:55.480 --> 0:29:58.680 of spread. So there isn't a team in America that 0:29:58.840 --> 0:30:01.960 I can think of that doesn't do something in a 0:30:02.120 --> 0:30:07.360 spread fashion. So I would say, without hesitation, the spread 0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:12.640 as a unique offensive system is completely dead. The spread 0:30:12.680 --> 0:30:16.320 offense is offense right now. Even with Stanford lining up 0:30:16.400 --> 0:30:19.040 under the under center ninety three percent of the time 0:30:19.360 --> 0:30:23.080 in like jumbo packages and stuff like that, Stanford football 0:30:23.160 --> 0:30:28.840 isn't defined by only that. So I would say it's 0:30:28.880 --> 0:30:33.480 impossible to be a successful Power five program at this point. 0:30:33.880 --> 0:30:35.560 And you can go back to Joe Tiller, and he 0:30:35.640 --> 0:30:37.680 was spreading the ball out at Purdue with his system. 0:30:38.200 --> 0:30:41.719 It's impossible to be a team like this without having 0:30:41.840 --> 0:30:44.720 some sort of element of the spread. In twenty seventeen, 0:30:45.040 --> 0:30:48.920 I defy anybody to name one who doesn't include parts 0:30:48.960 --> 0:30:51.400 of what we consider to be the modern spread into 0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:51.920 their system. 0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:55.680 The real world comparison here would be when Facebook opened 0:30:55.720 --> 0:30:59.760 itself up to parents. Yeah, you know, when parents were 0:30:59.800 --> 0:31:02.240 able to get on Facebook, then you knew it's like, Okay, 0:31:02.320 --> 0:31:05.800 this is no longer a secret society. This is now 0:31:05.880 --> 0:31:07.320 a thing that's going to go mainstream. 0:31:07.680 --> 0:31:10.200 I may be one of the last. Both my parents 0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:14.440 tie not on the book, really both not on the 0:31:14.480 --> 0:31:17.520 book and lead such happy lives. 0:31:17.920 --> 0:31:22.280 I could see your dad having interesting comment wars on Facebook. 0:31:23.080 --> 0:31:26.080 My one of my brothers does. But my dad is 0:31:26.920 --> 0:31:31.840 has steered clear and is happy about it. So yeah, 0:31:31.360 --> 0:31:35.680 it's it's almost to the point where like a trendy restaurant, like, 0:31:35.720 --> 0:31:39.560 are you a trendy restaurant anywhere in America that doesn't 0:31:39.600 --> 0:31:42.320 serve Brussels sprouts? You know that kind of like you 0:31:42.400 --> 0:31:44.320 might not serve Brussels sprouts, but you've got some sort 0:31:44.360 --> 0:31:47.320 of vegetable small plate that's shareable Okay, should we share 0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:51.160 some grainbians? Should we know? Should we share some some 0:31:51.280 --> 0:31:52.120 mushroom fries? 0:31:52.280 --> 0:31:52.720 I'm with you. 0:31:52.840 --> 0:31:56.120 I'm with you, so you might not be a Brussels 0:31:56.120 --> 0:31:59.360 sprout restaurant. Tie should probably have some sort of version 0:31:59.400 --> 0:32:00.000 of sprouts. 0:32:00.680 --> 0:32:04.920 All right, let's do one more here, Dan, Okay, one 0:32:05.000 --> 0:32:07.800 more here, and then we can move on and talk 0:32:07.800 --> 0:32:11.720 about some other stuff. Thank you to everyone who wrote in. 0:32:11.760 --> 0:32:15.800 By the way, at sOliver, We're on Twitter. Subscribe to 0:32:15.800 --> 0:32:19.760 the show on Apple Podcasts. We're also on Google Play, 0:32:19.840 --> 0:32:23.800 coming soon to Spotify for those of you who are 0:32:23.800 --> 0:32:27.440 familiar with that service. We appreciate their help and getting 0:32:27.800 --> 0:32:30.640 the bubble on there. Probably in the next week or so, 0:32:30.640 --> 0:32:33.360 so stay tuned. We'll send that out via the newsletter 0:32:33.360 --> 0:32:35.960 at some point in the near future. This one I 0:32:36.000 --> 0:32:42.400 found interesting, okay, and you know, it's something that we've 0:32:42.440 --> 0:32:46.400 discussed here and there, but it's just interesting to me. 0:32:46.440 --> 0:32:49.360 I love the word and it came in via Twitter. Okay, 0:32:50.200 --> 0:32:52.360 is it done so or not Donezo Stanford as the 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.320 neighborhood bully. 0:32:56.160 --> 0:32:58.840 I'm not sure what this means. I'm gonna be quite honest. 0:32:58.880 --> 0:33:02.200 It's also to interpretate. So here's what I think it means. Okay, 0:33:02.520 --> 0:33:04.080 you can tell me what it means to you, But 0:33:04.560 --> 0:33:07.400 what it means to me is Stanford in recent years 0:33:07.960 --> 0:33:10.640 has taken on this persona of just a team that's 0:33:10.680 --> 0:33:12.800 going to go out there, line up opposite you and 0:33:12.880 --> 0:33:16.360 just beat your brains in, beat your brains in. H 0:33:16.840 --> 0:33:20.560 And you know, the neighborhood bully thing might have a 0:33:20.600 --> 0:33:23.440 negative connotation in a college football sense. It's kind of 0:33:23.480 --> 0:33:25.680 cool just to know that there's a super physical team 0:33:25.720 --> 0:33:30.080 out there. But I guess the question is asking, perhaps 0:33:30.160 --> 0:33:33.680 due to turnover, perhaps due to the fact that everyone 0:33:33.760 --> 0:33:36.800 knows they've been the neighborhood bully, the Stanford still have 0:33:36.920 --> 0:33:39.640 that reputation? Is it still preserved? Is it Dunzo or 0:33:39.640 --> 0:33:41.680 not done so? 0:33:41.680 --> 0:33:45.520 So, No, it is nowhere near Dunzo as Stanford having 0:33:45.560 --> 0:33:48.240 that narrative of being the neighborhood bully because they keep 0:33:48.280 --> 0:33:52.040 signing the best offensive lineman in the country. Now and 0:33:52.280 --> 0:33:55.760 if your reputation is lining up as many large humans 0:33:55.800 --> 0:33:59.800 as possible and using those large humans to obliterate the 0:34:00.040 --> 0:34:03.760 spleens of everybody in front of them, and you keep 0:34:03.840 --> 0:34:07.600 getting the best guys doing that, No, and I like 0:34:07.680 --> 0:34:10.759 that they play to an identity. I love that. I 0:34:10.800 --> 0:34:14.520 love that Stanford arguably one of the places with the 0:34:14.560 --> 0:34:18.120 lowest floor as a program, just because of the difficulty 0:34:18.239 --> 0:34:22.120 in getting players to Stanford that are of high quality 0:34:22.400 --> 0:34:25.359 both on the field and in the classroom, and can 0:34:25.400 --> 0:34:27.560 get into the school with like a three five or 0:34:27.560 --> 0:34:30.040 a three a GPA, whatever you need as a football 0:34:30.040 --> 0:34:33.920 player to get in, the fact that they have sustained 0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.439 success Like David Shaw. If he were at any other 0:34:37.480 --> 0:34:40.080 like if Stanford were in the SEC, and he was 0:34:40.120 --> 0:34:45.239 sustaining this level of success, everybody would be fawning over 0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:47.440 him year in and year out. But the fact that he's 0:34:47.440 --> 0:34:50.360 in a quiet place in northern California, away from the 0:34:50.400 --> 0:34:53.760 heartbeat of college football. He just sort of lives his life, 0:34:54.080 --> 0:34:58.000 plucks the best quarterbacks, plucks the best tackles, hires really 0:34:58.040 --> 0:35:01.480 good assistance, and goes at winning ten games even in 0:35:01.600 --> 0:35:04.120 down years like they did last year. It's incredible. 0:35:04.560 --> 0:35:08.320 If I go back to twenty twelve Dan Stanford twelve wins, 0:35:08.840 --> 0:35:14.160 twenty thirteen Stanford eleven wins, twenty fourteen Stanford with only 0:35:14.200 --> 0:35:17.040 eight wins, eight lowly wins. But then I go to 0:35:17.120 --> 0:35:22.400 twenty fifteen Stanford twelve more wins. Last year, Stanford started 0:35:22.440 --> 0:35:25.680 off kind of looked Rocky still found a way to 0:35:25.680 --> 0:35:28.719 get to ten wins, won their last six games. There's 0:35:28.800 --> 0:35:32.720 no way possible this team is not still the neighborhood Bully, 0:35:32.760 --> 0:35:35.239 not still capable. I think you're right to point out 0:35:35.280 --> 0:35:38.160 they might have a lower floor than many other programs 0:35:38.200 --> 0:35:40.600 out there. The fact that they're able to do what 0:35:40.640 --> 0:35:43.200 they've done to have this level of success, given the 0:35:43.239 --> 0:35:46.920 fact that it's an institution that prides itself so deeply 0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:51.759 on its high academic standards that at other places that 0:35:51.800 --> 0:35:56.279 would definitely be a barrier. Yes, and one other one here. 0:35:56.320 --> 0:35:58.560 Actually we're not going to play the music for this one, 0:35:58.640 --> 0:36:02.120 but you may have heard the Audible podcast. 0:36:03.040 --> 0:36:05.200 Yes, our pals might. 0:36:05.080 --> 0:36:07.480 Have heard the most recent Audible podcast from our friends 0:36:07.480 --> 0:36:12.200 Bruce Felman Stuart Mandel to common guests on the Solid Verbal, 0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:15.839 they had some sad news that it's likely the end 0:36:15.840 --> 0:36:18.960 of the Audible due to some strategic shifts that are 0:36:18.960 --> 0:36:23.520 going on at Fox Sports and foxsports dot Com. On 0:36:23.560 --> 0:36:27.400 the heels of that, we receive some questions via Twitter 0:36:28.280 --> 0:36:31.319 the email about what is what does this mean? Kind 0:36:31.320 --> 0:36:34.600 of in the context of the Dunzo not Dunzo show here, 0:36:34.719 --> 0:36:36.680 not to try and make a joke out of this 0:36:36.760 --> 0:36:39.640 by any stretch, but the question is not so much 0:36:39.680 --> 0:36:43.280 Doneo or not Donzo, but where's college football journalism, where's 0:36:43.280 --> 0:36:47.840 college football podcasting? Where is this whole sports media thing headed? 0:36:48.680 --> 0:36:50.319 In light of some of this news, there was more 0:36:50.360 --> 0:36:53.880 news today that some other friends at other websites have 0:36:53.920 --> 0:36:56.000 been let go. So this has been a recurring theme 0:36:56.040 --> 0:36:57.719 over the last couple of years. Dan, you're in the 0:36:58.600 --> 0:37:00.759 in the media business as a day job and not 0:37:00.840 --> 0:37:04.319 so my serious day job. What's going on here? 0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.759 It's a wonderful question, Ty, Yeah, Bruce and Stu have 0:37:08.800 --> 0:37:11.840 always been I mean, you're listening to the solid verbal 0:37:12.440 --> 0:37:15.560 in no small part because Bruce and Stu early on, 0:37:15.680 --> 0:37:18.640 we're generous with their time and we're great on the 0:37:18.719 --> 0:37:23.680 show along with people at other entities. But it's such 0:37:23.680 --> 0:37:26.000 a bummer to see this, and we tweeted that yesterday. 0:37:26.080 --> 0:37:28.600 But you know, Bruce and Stu, and you know, Stu 0:37:28.680 --> 0:37:31.760 has been a mainstay of just sort of big picture 0:37:31.800 --> 0:37:34.319 college football for years and years, both at s I 0:37:34.400 --> 0:37:37.600 and Fox and Bruce and breaking stories and doing sideline 0:37:37.640 --> 0:37:42.120 stuff and features and writing books. Like these are Titans 0:37:42.600 --> 0:37:46.080 and to see this happen at Fox with If you 0:37:46.080 --> 0:37:48.919 haven't read the piece at Awful Announcing, you should read 0:37:48.960 --> 0:37:52.160 it and try to keep a level head because it's 0:37:52.200 --> 0:37:54.960 sort of infuriating, especially if you care about you know, 0:37:55.120 --> 0:37:57.879 college football or sports media or whatever, because a lot 0:37:57.880 --> 0:38:00.640 of good people are affected, and this is something that 0:38:00.640 --> 0:38:02.800 we all look at sort of you know, big pictures, 0:38:02.840 --> 0:38:05.319 like a hobby of something we love. But it does 0:38:05.360 --> 0:38:09.120 suck to see, especially for reasons that are still not 0:38:09.400 --> 0:38:13.640 super clear to me, like they just obliterated. If you 0:38:13.640 --> 0:38:16.040 go to Fox sports dot com right now, and Fox 0:38:16.040 --> 0:38:20.200 sports dot com is where you got your start, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, 0:38:20.239 --> 0:38:22.640 way back when, back in the day. Yeah, it is 0:38:23.239 --> 0:38:25.839 all clips of TV shows. 0:38:25.680 --> 0:38:28.440 It's an interesting digital strategy. 0:38:28.160 --> 0:38:30.040 Perhaps like a creative graveyard. 0:38:30.160 --> 0:38:33.760 I could talk at length, perhaps not in this forum, 0:38:33.840 --> 0:38:37.120 but in another one about the digital strategy or at 0:38:37.160 --> 0:38:39.839 least the attempt at a digital strategy there. But as 0:38:39.840 --> 0:38:41.640 it relates to college football. 0:38:41.600 --> 0:38:43.600 And yeah and the audible and yeah, I mean this. 0:38:43.840 --> 0:38:46.000 Has been a theme. There's been something that's been going on. 0:38:46.000 --> 0:38:47.880 A lot of good people have been have been losing 0:38:47.880 --> 0:38:50.520 their jobs, and so it's probably a fair question to 0:38:50.560 --> 0:38:54.160 ask where's it where's it all headed? There's no denying 0:38:54.200 --> 0:38:57.400 the fact that it's a very difficult business model to solve, 0:38:58.640 --> 0:39:01.200 very difficult business model to solve. Publishing as a whole 0:39:01.640 --> 0:39:03.080 has definitely seen a downturn. 0:39:03.200 --> 0:39:06.319 And when you have these places that are TV networks 0:39:06.400 --> 0:39:10.000 and magazines and websites and they have sort of hands 0:39:10.000 --> 0:39:12.200 and all sorts of buckets that are all sort of 0:39:12.280 --> 0:39:16.600 coming into the same pool, it becomes very difficult to 0:39:16.680 --> 0:39:19.719 sustain and figure out identity and where you should be going. 0:39:19.760 --> 0:39:21.880 And you have a ton of different cooks in the kitchen. 0:39:22.480 --> 0:39:26.319 And you know, we saw everything affected at ESPN a 0:39:26.360 --> 0:39:28.839 few weeks a few months ago. You know our pals there, 0:39:28.880 --> 0:39:31.759 you know, Brett McMurphy, Chantel Jennings, Ted Miller. These are 0:39:31.800 --> 0:39:35.759 all people we read and love all the time. And 0:39:36.360 --> 0:39:38.839 that's not weird that phrasing, now that I listened back, 0:39:38.920 --> 0:39:43.360 tie was not ideal. But Lindsay Schnelletts Sports Illustrated and 0:39:43.360 --> 0:39:45.480 she was doing a podcast with our palle Andy Staples. 0:39:45.520 --> 0:39:47.279 We love Lindsay, We love you know our people at 0:39:47.360 --> 0:39:51.160 SI and it's just it's a tough thing to crack, 0:39:51.600 --> 0:39:55.640 and you hate to see it. And anybody that tells 0:39:55.680 --> 0:39:59.279 you that they know where media is going, they they 0:39:59.320 --> 0:40:01.759 have figured it out, they have solved it. This is 0:40:02.320 --> 0:40:06.160 how they've cracked the riddle. They're just they're just full 0:40:06.160 --> 0:40:07.600 of blockbuster. 0:40:07.719 --> 0:40:11.279 Had the media rights figured out too exactly for a 0:40:11.360 --> 0:40:12.000 period of time. 0:40:12.120 --> 0:40:13.760 Yeah, our friends at Bleacher Report. 0:40:13.840 --> 0:40:19.560 Yeah, so things are changing. I would hope that there 0:40:19.560 --> 0:40:24.640 would be strong independent publishers that would pop up that 0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:28.560 would value the kind of fine work these friends of 0:40:28.600 --> 0:40:32.000 ours have done, yeah, and would offer them shelter where 0:40:32.000 --> 0:40:32.760 they could do their work. 0:40:33.040 --> 0:40:36.120 What's interesting, And I think it was Brian who told 0:40:36.160 --> 0:40:39.920 me this this morning at work, Ryan Nanny, that you 0:40:40.000 --> 0:40:43.359 have places like Fox who are rights holders now not 0:40:43.520 --> 0:40:47.840 really writing about the sports that they like. Is the 0:40:47.880 --> 0:40:50.760 PAC twelve going to be happy that foxsports dot com 0:40:50.960 --> 0:40:53.680 doesn't write about sports, that ESPN dot com is writing 0:40:53.719 --> 0:40:57.040 a lot less about sports, the SEC happy that ESPN 0:40:57.080 --> 0:41:00.520 dot com employees fewer college football writers even though there's 0:41:00.520 --> 0:41:03.320 still a ton there that they're not covering the sports 0:41:03.320 --> 0:41:05.200 in the same way, but yet paying all this money 0:41:05.239 --> 0:41:08.040 and it's it's not going to be a great situation, 0:41:08.120 --> 0:41:10.840 which is why we talked earlier about the Big twelve 0:41:10.880 --> 0:41:15.160 and chaos and media stuff. But it's rough. And anybody 0:41:15.239 --> 0:41:18.080 that works in this industry, anybody that has tried to 0:41:18.120 --> 0:41:20.960 work in this industry, knows that there are a finite 0:41:21.040 --> 0:41:23.720 number of jobs and there are way more talented people 0:41:23.760 --> 0:41:26.560 than there are jobs. Yeah, and it's tough. 0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.719 Just again thirty thousand foot view. As digital strategy goes, 0:41:31.239 --> 0:41:34.360 things are headed in a much more video centric direction. 0:41:34.400 --> 0:41:37.800 There's no denying that the problem is you need videos 0:41:37.800 --> 0:41:40.040 that people want to watch. You have to sell ads 0:41:40.040 --> 0:41:40.960 against those videos. 0:41:41.160 --> 0:41:44.520 Big picture as well, people are worse off than people 0:41:44.560 --> 0:41:47.759 losing jobs in sports media and that's cool. I mean 0:41:47.880 --> 0:41:50.120 that's not cool, but that's you know, that's something we 0:41:50.200 --> 0:41:53.120 also realize. But this is the medium we're in. And 0:41:53.800 --> 0:41:56.160 something that I also recognize is I don't think we 0:41:56.239 --> 0:41:59.000 ever like stew and Bruce with the Audible, Lindsay and 0:41:59.000 --> 0:42:02.520 Andy with Campus Rush, like I don't. I never viewed 0:42:02.520 --> 0:42:06.759 them as competition, like they're our competition is people doing 0:42:06.800 --> 0:42:09.359 things with their time other than podcasting. Yeah. 0:42:09.400 --> 0:42:12.520 I was for podcasts to be perfect exactly, So the 0:42:12.600 --> 0:42:13.320 more the merrier. 0:42:13.760 --> 0:42:18.200 Yeah. So people that bring listeners to the medium is 0:42:18.560 --> 0:42:21.400 who we're fans of. So we're positive Bruce and Stue 0:42:21.440 --> 0:42:24.000 will land in a good place where we're hopeful that 0:42:24.560 --> 0:42:28.040 college football podcast, sports podcast, college sports podcast we Love 0:42:28.200 --> 0:42:30.840 you know shut down full cast and podcasting played nobody 0:42:31.040 --> 0:42:34.719 and all sorts of people in the space succeed grow. 0:42:34.840 --> 0:42:38.040 It's good for everybody. It's just it's tough to see 0:42:38.160 --> 0:42:42.240 for such stupid reasons. Well, for such stupid I wish. 0:42:42.400 --> 0:42:45.799 I wish Bruce and Stu and many other friends who 0:42:45.840 --> 0:42:48.360 have had to go through this all the best. Yeah, 0:42:48.760 --> 0:42:51.279 it's it's tough to watch. You hate to see it, 0:42:51.400 --> 0:42:54.239 and you don't wish on anybody and any in any 0:42:54.280 --> 0:42:57.480 profession for sure, But yeah, you know, we wish them 0:42:57.480 --> 0:42:58.759 well and hopefully we can talk to them soon. We 0:42:58.800 --> 0:42:59.920 just talked to Bruce a couple of weeks. 0:42:59.800 --> 0:43:03.879 Ago, and we're not all lucky and fortunate enough like you, Tie, 0:43:04.080 --> 0:43:07.200 like you are, Like you've got the secret day job 0:43:07.400 --> 0:43:11.799 pushing pro Russian propaganda for a Ukrainian consulting company. I've 0:43:11.800 --> 0:43:13.520 seen the news. Tie, You're doing quite well. 0:43:13.520 --> 0:43:16.239 We're all just trying to make a dime this world in. 0:43:16.400 --> 0:43:20.799 It's true, it's true and good for you, but uh yeah, 0:43:20.840 --> 0:43:26.360 think about side hustles. Everybody think about side hustles and 0:43:26.400 --> 0:43:31.759 I'm okay, I'm okay publicizing this. I would love to 0:43:32.239 --> 0:43:35.520 rent chairs for events time. I've said this to you before. 0:43:36.239 --> 0:43:39.759 After planning a wedding, people are always going to need 0:43:39.800 --> 0:43:44.640 to sit down at various events, and Rubinstein and Rubinstein 0:43:44.680 --> 0:43:47.600 and hilden Brandt will be thrilled to rent your chair. 0:43:47.760 --> 0:43:51.440 Can we organize some sort of multi level marketing scheme 0:43:51.640 --> 0:43:55.560 whereby we're trying to be in the chair business, but 0:43:55.640 --> 0:43:57.799 it's also something that we can do like Facebook live 0:43:57.840 --> 0:44:00.680 events around because that seems absolutely to be very hot 0:44:00.760 --> 0:44:02.160 right now. I'm just trying to figure out a way 0:44:02.239 --> 0:44:05.120 to put a marry them both, you know, put a 0:44:05.239 --> 0:44:07.000 nice face on it that people actually want to do it. 0:44:07.120 --> 0:44:09.120 I swear to you, Ty, I am going to be 0:44:09.200 --> 0:44:11.480 the chair king of California before this is all said 0:44:11.480 --> 0:44:12.799 and done, you. 0:44:12.719 --> 0:44:13.600 Could be the chairman. 0:44:14.239 --> 0:44:16.800 I'm going to be the chair man, the chair person 0:44:17.320 --> 0:44:22.319 of California. But yeah, side Hustles, Tie, let's get that 0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:23.080 business going on. 0:44:23.120 --> 0:44:25.640 Etsy, Let's send people off on a bride or another. 0:44:25.760 --> 0:44:27.120 Is July okay this week? 0:44:27.239 --> 0:44:27.680 Yes it is. 0:44:27.680 --> 0:44:31.560 We're going to be listening to us, perhaps on the 0:44:31.600 --> 0:44:36.040 way to a picnic. Let's talk some grilling very quickly. 0:44:36.160 --> 0:44:36.960 You got five minutes. 0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.400 Yeah. I don't own a grill. I don't grow it 0:44:39.440 --> 0:44:40.000 many times. 0:44:40.040 --> 0:44:41.760 Are you going to? Are you gonna go somewhere where 0:44:41.920 --> 0:44:42.600 there is a grill? 0:44:43.640 --> 0:44:46.279 God willing tie? I really do hope. So you own 0:44:46.320 --> 0:44:48.400 a grill. You've been growing a lot. We've got a 0:44:48.480 --> 0:44:51.120 couple of questions here. Somebody asked about, like the best 0:44:51.120 --> 0:44:53.680 electric grill. I don't have much help for that. Yeah, 0:44:53.719 --> 0:44:56.480 I don't, just because apartment complexes don't always allow for 0:44:56.560 --> 0:45:01.520 charcoal or gas. Here is good question, ty, Yeah, the 0:45:01.560 --> 0:45:05.920 best sausage for grilling? Okay, tell me about your sausage loves. 0:45:07.320 --> 0:45:09.879 Another weird phrasing, Dan, Thanks, I stand by that one. 0:45:09.920 --> 0:45:13.239 It's what you do best, so thank you. I like 0:45:13.360 --> 0:45:19.000 the hot Italian turkey sausage. Yeah, hot Italian turkey sausage 0:45:19.440 --> 0:45:22.440 grillers that you can buy. Wegman's has a fantastic variety 0:45:22.440 --> 0:45:24.319 of these. Can you do a lot with it? 0:45:24.600 --> 0:45:27.640 Hot Italian sausage, whether you like pork or turkey or 0:45:27.719 --> 0:45:30.279 chicken or whatever, is always good. Best sausage I've ever 0:45:30.320 --> 0:45:32.600 had in my life. I think was beef sausage and 0:45:32.680 --> 0:45:36.640 Texas like Jlapeno beef sausage. If you can get a 0:45:36.640 --> 0:45:41.120 hold of that, like Texas style barbecue sausage, that is outstanding. 0:45:41.239 --> 0:45:44.360 Maybe some hot mustard, some grilled peppers and onions, that's cats. 0:45:44.840 --> 0:45:46.560 There is spicy mustard by the way, and we've talked 0:45:46.560 --> 0:45:47.759 about on the show. Oh. 0:45:47.800 --> 0:45:48.360 Absolutely. 0:45:48.360 --> 0:45:51.880 That was something that I discovered only a summer or 0:45:51.880 --> 0:45:54.680 two ago while eating a sausage sandwich, and it changed 0:45:54.680 --> 0:45:55.160 my life. 0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.640 I would say, if you want to grow Mexican, I 0:45:58.680 --> 0:46:01.600 would look up roy I c h o I roy 0:46:01.760 --> 0:46:04.840 CHOI carne asada and his marinate with like roasted tomatoes 0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.000 and cilantro. It's a little bit Asian, it's a little 0:46:07.000 --> 0:46:09.960 bit Mexican. It's the best marinade that exists, the recipe 0:46:09.960 --> 0:46:14.200 for that. My final thought is this ty because people 0:46:14.239 --> 0:46:16.759 are going to keep it basic and straightforward and for 0:46:16.840 --> 0:46:19.120 good reason on July fourth, and they're gonna make burgers 0:46:19.120 --> 0:46:22.640 and dogs. This is my big tip, big tip. Actually 0:46:22.680 --> 0:46:24.040 I have a double tip for burgers. 0:46:24.080 --> 0:46:24.640 Double tip. 0:46:24.719 --> 0:46:30.879 Okay, one American cheese. Don't I don't care for your jack, 0:46:30.920 --> 0:46:32.839 I don't care for your cheddar. Wow, I don't care 0:46:32.880 --> 0:46:37.560 for your Swiss. Those are all fine cheeses. Hot for burgers, Yeah, 0:46:37.760 --> 0:46:41.920 for burgers. I'm an American cheese man. It gets gooey, 0:46:42.239 --> 0:46:44.719 it's it's just the top of the top for me. 0:46:44.920 --> 0:46:48.080 That's my opinion. I would recommend it. Everybody's probably had 0:46:48.080 --> 0:46:52.280 that by now. Number two though, is get a recipe 0:46:52.320 --> 0:46:57.239 and scan recipes online for burger sauces like variants of 0:46:57.320 --> 0:47:00.760 Thousand Island kind of thing. You're mixing may and ketchup 0:47:00.840 --> 0:47:02.680 or serrachia and a little bit of lemon juice and 0:47:02.719 --> 0:47:06.000 some seasoning, maybe some finely dice pickles in there. 0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:07.920 Maybe some guy fiery donkey sauce. 0:47:08.000 --> 0:47:10.040 Right, don't do that. Don't do that. No, I think 0:47:10.040 --> 0:47:11.640 it's just al. I think that's just like a male 0:47:11.960 --> 0:47:15.680 but maybe a middle mustard in there. You mix all 0:47:15.719 --> 0:47:18.240 those together, slather them on both sides of the bun. 0:47:19.000 --> 0:47:21.719 It's I it boggles my mind why people aren't making 0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:26.840 burger sauces for their burgers. It brings everything out, creamy, salty, whatever, tangy, 0:47:27.320 --> 0:47:28.879 A little bit of a dobo sauce if you want 0:47:28.920 --> 0:47:30.239 in there from can chipotles. 0:47:30.400 --> 0:47:33.440 Okay up, yes, no idea what that is. But it 0:47:33.480 --> 0:47:34.240 sounds delightful. 0:47:34.560 --> 0:47:38.240 Can chipotles so like canned Mexican pepper is the sauce 0:47:38.239 --> 0:47:39.480 therein is called in a dobo. 0:47:40.040 --> 0:47:45.880 I knew that Adobe made a dobo and that it 0:47:45.960 --> 0:47:48.840 used to be a form of a house that American 0:47:48.840 --> 0:47:51.400 Indians built, but I was not aware of the sauce. 0:47:51.680 --> 0:47:54.280 Sure, it's like it's a mix of just like tomato 0:47:54.320 --> 0:47:56.120 sauce and vinegar and garlic and stuff like that. But 0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:59.080 it takes the heat of the chipotle is very nice. Interesting, Yeah, interesting? 0:47:59.280 --> 0:48:01.560 Is that is my recommendation roy CHOI for a carne 0:48:01.600 --> 0:48:05.640 asada marinade, and then look up husk sauce husk like 0:48:05.680 --> 0:48:08.680 the restaurant in Charleston and Nashville for a burger sauce. 0:48:08.719 --> 0:48:10.920 Those are my big recommendations in American cheese. 0:48:11.760 --> 0:48:15.160 If I said, Dan, now talk for twenty straight minutes 0:48:15.160 --> 0:48:17.000 about this, you could. You could do it without any 0:48:17.000 --> 0:48:18.200 assistance from me whatsoever. 0:48:18.640 --> 0:48:21.600 I would start talking about shred your iceberg lettuce as 0:48:21.800 --> 0:48:22.920 finely as possible. 0:48:23.040 --> 0:48:25.160 And I don't mean that in a derogatory way. It's 0:48:25.160 --> 0:48:26.239 a scout, absolutely not. 0:48:26.280 --> 0:48:28.319 It comes to food, you want to butter up your 0:48:28.360 --> 0:48:30.160 buns and throw them on the grill for a few seconds. 0:48:30.160 --> 0:48:33.520 Who doesn't I think that's a great idea. I'm also 0:48:33.560 --> 0:48:35.480 going to throw this in TI, because you got me 0:48:35.520 --> 0:48:39.480 all worked up. Okay, eighty twenty is your ideal ratio 0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:43.359 for beef. Get some fat in there, Okay. You want 0:48:43.360 --> 0:48:45.040 to get some flavor, you want to get some crust, 0:48:45.040 --> 0:48:47.960 you want to get some oozing. Eighty twenty is the ratio, 0:48:48.600 --> 0:48:51.400 all right, don't settle for anything leanter Come. 0:48:51.239 --> 0:48:53.800 On, speaking of beef, we'll close out with this, okay. 0:48:54.360 --> 0:48:57.279 I have eight ounce file at grilling instructions for anyone 0:48:57.280 --> 0:48:58.239 who might be interested. 0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:01.720 You're preferred cut of steak? 0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:04.040 I like a good filet. Yeah. I don't like a 0:49:04.040 --> 0:49:07.279 lot of gristle on my steak. Okay, some people like that. 0:49:07.360 --> 0:49:11.920 I just I prefer the clean eating of the filet. 0:49:12.000 --> 0:49:15.400 Oh, that's fine, Okay. I don't like steak enough to 0:49:15.400 --> 0:49:18.400 have strong steak thoughts. I like rabbis, but you know, 0:49:18.600 --> 0:49:20.640 I've had good cuts of steak of all kinds. 0:49:20.719 --> 0:49:23.160 I'm not like a pure carnivore, you know. I don't 0:49:23.160 --> 0:49:25.759 need a steak a week or anything, but like a 0:49:25.760 --> 0:49:28.520 good steak every now and again. And as someone who 0:49:28.920 --> 0:49:32.720 is a new grill owner. I've taken it very seriously. 0:49:32.719 --> 0:49:33.480 How to cook a steak? 0:49:33.520 --> 0:49:34.879 What's your basic methodology? 0:49:35.640 --> 0:49:37.360 So let me tell you how I got this. Okay, 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:40.919 it's not like a family recipe or anything like that, 0:49:41.600 --> 0:49:45.360 but I quite literally stood behind and took copious notes 0:49:45.360 --> 0:49:47.439 as my father in law cooked one of the best 0:49:47.440 --> 0:49:51.000 steaks I've ever had in my life. H eight ounce 0:49:51.400 --> 0:49:54.200 steak grilling instructions. Here's how he does it, all right. 0:49:54.600 --> 0:49:56.360 He might get angry if he finds out that I 0:49:56.400 --> 0:50:00.759 told the world this, but there's not any real secret here, right. 0:50:01.400 --> 0:50:02.720 The secret is a seer burner. 0:50:04.560 --> 0:50:06.400 Okay, I don't even know what a seer burner. 0:50:06.760 --> 0:50:08.560 Burner is, just a burner that gets real hot on 0:50:08.560 --> 0:50:11.359 the grill. Oh okay, yeah, you can see her using 0:50:11.400 --> 0:50:14.480 any any number of different ways, but of course, yeah, 0:50:14.520 --> 0:50:17.440 he does a one minute sere on one side, then 0:50:17.440 --> 0:50:19.440 he flips it over, does another one minute here on 0:50:19.480 --> 0:50:23.320 the other, and he turns the seer burner off, moves 0:50:23.440 --> 0:50:27.239 the stake to another burner that's going it like high 0:50:27.320 --> 0:50:28.120 or medium high. 0:50:28.480 --> 0:50:31.040 Okay, usually high, so direct heat. 0:50:31.160 --> 0:50:34.040 Yeah, direct heat. Leaves that on for seven minutes, flips 0:50:34.040 --> 0:50:38.120 it over again, cooks it for another four and then 0:50:38.160 --> 0:50:39.680 pulls it off. Then you gotta let it set for 0:50:39.680 --> 0:50:43.800 a little bit. You have to, you know, like ten minutes. 0:50:43.840 --> 0:50:47.120 Maybe I'll continue to let it cook. I'd be curious 0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:48.799 to hear from other folks how they cook an eight 0:50:48.800 --> 0:50:52.000 ounce full a but that's the reverse. Yeah, that's been 0:50:52.040 --> 0:50:56.000 my methodology in the past, and certainly as we now 0:50:56.080 --> 0:50:58.320 get into college football and tailgating season. 0:50:58.840 --> 0:50:59.160 Yeah. 0:50:59.200 --> 0:51:01.200 My hunch is that's someone will take exception to what 0:51:01.239 --> 0:51:01.880 I just described. 0:51:01.920 --> 0:51:05.319 But be curious to ask you this more opinion. May 0:51:05.360 --> 0:51:08.959 I ask you this? It gets cold in eastern pa 0:51:09.280 --> 0:51:11.400 very the winter times, so much so that you probably 0:51:11.400 --> 0:51:12.520 don't want to be outside growing. 0:51:12.800 --> 0:51:14.680 No, but I've done it. I've done it at Christmas time. 0:51:15.040 --> 0:51:19.120 Will you mess around with like a cast iron skillet? 0:51:19.880 --> 0:51:21.080 Because I think you should. They're one. 0:51:21.120 --> 0:51:22.200 I would, I would consider it. 0:51:22.640 --> 0:51:24.400 I'm open you should get yourself one. 0:51:25.040 --> 0:51:26.080 I'll be open to it. Yeah. 0:51:26.560 --> 0:51:28.799 Okay, that's all I'm checking on. That's all I'm checking on. 0:51:30.080 --> 0:51:33.399 Okay, uh Donzo not Donezo? Another one in the books. 0:51:33.280 --> 0:51:34.759 Another one of the books. What do we have coming 0:51:34.840 --> 0:51:35.800 up in the coming weeks? 0:51:36.400 --> 0:51:38.840 So again, sign up for the newsletter. Signer for the 0:51:38.840 --> 0:51:40.879 newsletter because we'll keep you posted on the live show, 0:51:40.880 --> 0:51:42.120 which you and I got to figure out. 0:51:43.120 --> 0:51:43.600 Uh. 0:51:44.640 --> 0:51:47.600 Also, we've got T shirts I think coming out in 0:51:47.640 --> 0:51:49.920 the next I don't know, a couple of weeks or so, 0:51:50.400 --> 0:51:54.399 mm hmm. Some other news we'll see beyond that, though, 0:51:54.400 --> 0:51:58.120 we've got a recruiting show that we're working on. Yep, 0:51:58.239 --> 0:52:00.399 kind of in the same vein as the se how 0:52:00.520 --> 0:52:03.480 college football coaches get hired. A little bit of different 0:52:03.480 --> 0:52:05.200 style for us, but the first one went over, Well, 0:52:05.239 --> 0:52:07.920 we're gonna do it again. We've also got a super 0:52:08.160 --> 0:52:11.880 secret show coming with Bill Barnwell later on in July. 0:52:12.320 --> 0:52:15.000 This is true, followed a few days later by the 0:52:15.040 --> 0:52:18.160 History of the Solid Verbal Show. It's gonna be our height, 0:52:18.480 --> 0:52:21.959 our tenth season now doing the podcast. Yeah, we're gonna 0:52:22.000 --> 0:52:24.359 walk you through what's going on over the last ten 0:52:24.440 --> 0:52:26.080 years to kind of get us to this point where 0:52:26.080 --> 0:52:27.200 we're doing a ten year special. 0:52:28.120 --> 0:52:30.400 It will be the height. I can't promise it across 0:52:30.400 --> 0:52:33.480 all podcasting or even college football podcasting, but it will 0:52:33.520 --> 0:52:37.200 be the height of Solid Verbal naval gazing. I cannot wait. 0:52:37.719 --> 0:52:40.319 We will be doing that show in the presence of 0:52:40.320 --> 0:52:43.239 one another too. As we will with Bill Barbell. We're 0:52:43.239 --> 0:52:45.440 gonna be doing that one live, not live live, but 0:52:45.960 --> 0:52:48.200 will actually be in the same in person in person 0:52:48.239 --> 0:52:51.960 thank you. And then after that, Dan, then then we're 0:52:52.000 --> 0:52:56.080 starting to starting to go pedal the metal once we 0:52:56.120 --> 0:52:57.600 get into August and we're going to do our team 0:52:57.640 --> 0:52:59.439 previews and then at the end of August we're talking 0:52:59.480 --> 0:53:02.839 games ready. So it's gonna happen pretty quick now over 0:53:02.880 --> 0:53:06.680 the next couple weeks, a matter of days really until 0:53:06.719 --> 0:53:09.840 the season begins, under sixty days I think until the 0:53:09.840 --> 0:53:10.960 season actually starts up. 0:53:11.040 --> 0:53:12.360 So it's beautiful. 0:53:12.280 --> 0:53:14.799 Stay tuned here, Stay tuned to Soliverbal dot com. We're 0:53:14.800 --> 0:53:16.680 gonna waunch you a new website by the way at 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:20.319 some point next few oh yeah, got that coming up 0:53:20.360 --> 0:53:21.920 as well. So a lot of cool stuff going on. 0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:25.680 Subscribe to the newsletter, follow us on Twitter, and like 0:53:25.719 --> 0:53:29.000 the Facebook page, Facebook dot com slash Soliverbal anything else. 0:53:29.080 --> 0:53:31.600 Dan, it's all I got ty, It's all I got. 0:53:31.840 --> 0:53:33.120 Shout out to our brothers at the. 0:53:33.120 --> 0:53:36.480 Audible Yes okay, and happy Fourth of July to everyone 0:53:36.480 --> 0:53:38.880 out there if you are listening on the way to 0:53:39.200 --> 0:53:42.759 or from a picnic or lord knows wherever else enjoy 0:53:42.800 --> 0:53:45.759 your holiday, stay safe. 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