Speaker 1: Welcome to the solid verbal.
Speaker 2: I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've
Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy,
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Speaker 1: a fine gentleman who goes by the name of mister
Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein. Sir, how are you?
Speaker 2: I'm good? I am. I am single once again, Tye,
Speaker 2: I am single just because oh we don't okay, so
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Speaker 2: to know how I spent that time?
Speaker 1: Tie?
Speaker 2: Probably not, but here it is.
Speaker 1: I mean I would imagine a lot of wild partying,
Speaker 1: a lot of bar hopping, things of that ilk.
Speaker 2: It was Crossford Puzzle Night two nights ago. And by
Speaker 2: that I mean I was alone in my apartment doing
Speaker 2: New York Times Tuesday crossword puzzles. Let's see. I cooked
Speaker 2: a little bit, I did some laundry, some Sidoku. No tie,
Speaker 2: that's crazy, that's international puzzling. I'm not ready for that.
Speaker 2: So that's all that's going on right now in my life, gratefully.
Speaker 2: So it's been low key. And actually when working on
Speaker 2: nobody knows about this outside of Espionation and people that
Speaker 2: are tight with Espianation. People been working on an incredibly
Speaker 2: fun top secret project, top se secret top secret projects
Speaker 2: across the Espianation universe that the world will see is.
Speaker 1: Something that rather than I know about this, do you
Speaker 1: do know about this? Okay? So right, all right, I
Speaker 1: know what you're talking about now. Yeah, it is a
Speaker 1: very cool idea, if I don't say so myself, and
Speaker 1: I'm a little biased because you know, we're co host
Speaker 1: and friends here, but it's a very cool idea.
Speaker 2: Yes, So that'll be happening sooner rather than later in
Speaker 2: the Espianation college football universe, so you'll keep your eyes peeled.
Speaker 2: But other than that, tie, life has been good. No complaints.
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Speaker 1: what are we doing today?
Speaker 2: So we've got a theme episode. We've done this in
Speaker 2: years past, sometimes during the season, sometimes during the off season,
Speaker 2: and this is just a ten thousand and thirty thousand
Speaker 2: foot view of figuring out if a team or situation
Speaker 2: or something as it relates to college football is done
Speaker 2: or not done. So and you might be saying to yourself,
Speaker 2: why would Dan and or Tie ever say the word donzo?
Speaker 2: What is grown men?
Speaker 1: Right? What does that mean?
Speaker 2: It is a word that our good friend, Kristin Cavaleri
Speaker 2: very good fused, yes, very dear, dear friend married to
Speaker 2: a former SEC football player Jay Cutler, uttered on the
Speaker 2: now infamous show Laguna Beach. And we just figure out
Speaker 2: if something is done Zoe or not done so. And
Speaker 2: that is as simple as it is. But because it
Speaker 2: is the off season, people have a wide array of
Speaker 2: topics that we need to deep dive and figure out
Speaker 2: if they're done so or not done. So we've sometimes
Speaker 2: had West Coast Kevin on he is not joining us tonight.
Speaker 2: But I like the list a whole lot, And then
Speaker 2: I think because people requested it, and it's it's pretty
Speaker 2: personal to us. Near the end, our final Dunzo not
Speaker 2: Dunzo will sort of tie into and we're not going
Speaker 2: to declare it Dunzo or not Dunzo. But you know,
Speaker 2: lot of bummery things happening around, happening around college football
Speaker 2: media and people want to know what's going on. So yeah,
Speaker 2: we'll do our best, but I mean we're we're on
Speaker 2: the outside.
Speaker 1: So again, Dunzo or not done. So it's a show
Speaker 1: that we've done three times before. We didn't last year.
Speaker 1: We're basically evaluating things that we view in the college
Speaker 1: football world that are like just about couput like are
Speaker 1: they there? Are they not there yet? If they are there,
Speaker 1: if we think they're done, Zoe, that's the sound clip.
Speaker 1: M hm, that's the sound clip. We're not gonna play
Speaker 1: any sound if they're not done, Zoe. I'm not declaring
Speaker 1: them anything. We're just saying they've got a stay of
Speaker 1: execution to some degree. If you did see Laguna Beach,
Speaker 1: you'll remember this song kind of lead in here set
Speaker 1: some mood music. Dan. Yes, the why is the great
Speaker 1: Hillary Duff. Okay, So what we did is we thought
Speaker 1: up someone on our own. We also went out to
Speaker 1: Twitter and asked if anyone out there had any suggestion. So,
Speaker 1: you know, got a lot of what's a good one?
Speaker 1: Jim Mora? Right, what is Jim Mora? What's he doing
Speaker 1: at UCLA?
Speaker 2: Dan? How many wins does Jim Mora need to keep? Okay,
Speaker 2: So we received are one hundredth question about Jim Morra's
Speaker 2: job security, and honestly, it feels just like yesterday where
Speaker 2: we received our first question of what he wins? Does
Speaker 2: Jim more in need? What's Jim Moore's job security? Likely
Speaker 2: you Josh Row's gonna help turn around this offense is
Speaker 2: Jim Morris. We will not be talking about Jim Moore.
Speaker 2: I just cannot.
Speaker 1: We'll not be talking about Jim Moore. And we're also
Speaker 1: going to try and veer away from some of the
Speaker 1: stuff that we've discussed a lot this offseason. So think
Speaker 1: of it less in terms of will Butch Jones be
Speaker 1: Tennessee's coach beyond twenty seventeen, and more along the lines
Speaker 1: of some of the bigger picture type stuff. Let's talk
Speaker 1: about our first topic here, Dan, very first topic. I'm
Speaker 1: not asking about Butch Jones. I'm asking about Chip Kelly.
Speaker 1: And I'm asking is Chip Kelly going to be a
Speaker 1: college football coach in the year twenty twenty, Gunzo or
Speaker 1: not Donzo.
Speaker 2: Let's go with Chip Kelly's college football coaching career in
Speaker 2: the near so in the next two to.
Speaker 1: Three years, next two to three years, a near term
Speaker 1: college football coaching career in the near.
Speaker 2: Term, I'm gonna say not done. So okay, explain not
Speaker 2: done so so here's here's my explanation. So Chip Kelly
Speaker 2: will be at ESPN this fall. We know this. He's
Speaker 2: doing studio stuff in Connecticut. He's not going to be
Speaker 2: out on the road like Urban Meyer was when he
Speaker 2: went to ESPN. He will be doing both college and
Speaker 2: NFL stuff. I believe That's what I've been told for ESPN.
Speaker 2: So we'll have a, you know, a hand in each
Speaker 2: of those worlds. But I feel like, because this is
Speaker 2: my feeling, his reputation in college is much higher right
Speaker 2: now than it is in the pros, even though it's
Speaker 2: taken a hit. I would say in both places, just
Speaker 2: because he's been in the public eye. I'm thinking that
Speaker 2: Tennessee will not be attractive to him. I don't think
Speaker 2: Florida is going to open up. Texas A and M
Speaker 2: might be, but I think he's more coastal minded it.
Speaker 2: And I'm not going to talk about jimor Jmore's job security.
Speaker 2: But if there were a job that opened up in California,
Speaker 2: in Los Angeles and it would be CLA, that would
Speaker 2: be the job. I will say within the next two
Speaker 2: or three years. To next two or three years, chip
Speaker 2: Kelly will have a non sec college football coaching job.
Speaker 1: Let me ask you a hypothetical though, along those same lines, please,
Speaker 1: Between Tennessee, Florida, and Texas A and m IF any
Speaker 1: or all of those programs believed that they could hire
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly tomorrow, how many of them would fire their
Speaker 1: head football coach right now.
Speaker 2: I don't think Florida would. I mean, Florida's won a
Speaker 2: couple secees. I mean, there's some questions about recruiting, but
Speaker 2: they finished quite strong this past signing day. They you know,
Speaker 2: quarterback has still been an issue. Tennessee potentially, I.
Speaker 1: Think tennes would do it. They would pull the trigger.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, like I don't think Butch wants to be
Speaker 2: there all that much. But yes, I think Tennessee would.
Speaker 2: I think Texas A and M probably will.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think two of the three would probably
Speaker 1: do it. I tend to agree with you. It's not done, though.
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly is someone who I think has it woven
Speaker 1: into the fiber of his being that he's a football coach.
Speaker 1: The problem for him, as I know you know full well,
Speaker 1: is there were aspects of being a college football coach
Speaker 1: that didn't appeal to him. You want to do like
Speaker 1: the booster stuff, the golf tournaments. He wanted to be
Speaker 1: a football coach. He wanted to do X and O's stuff,
Speaker 1: and at least to that degree, the NFL was a
Speaker 1: better fit for him. His system did not translate to
Speaker 1: the next level, but he still does have a very
Speaker 1: good reputation among the college ranks. I would imagine there's
Speaker 1: gonna be a lot of money floating around out there
Speaker 1: for Chip Kelly in the relatively near term after he
Speaker 1: gets through this one year stint with ESPN, there will
Speaker 1: be teams who require and desire his services. So I
Speaker 1: just I think there's too much coach still in him.
Speaker 1: He's still a young guy. He will be back on
Speaker 1: the saddle before long.
Speaker 2: Yeah, imagine. One of the things that I think about
Speaker 2: is like where he would want to be and what
Speaker 2: type of situation, And so Oregon is sort of away
Speaker 2: from the sort of mainstream you know, the South, the Southwest, whatever,
Speaker 2: and the Midwest obviously is huge, and that the very
Speaker 2: specific region you know, Michigan, Ohio State, Penn State, that
Speaker 2: that sort of triangle in Michigan State too, a slightly
Speaker 2: lesser extent after last year, but it seems like maybe
Speaker 2: second tier in terms of attentions like the Larry Fedora
Speaker 2: left North Carolina, that kind of thing where he could
Speaker 2: just sort of slide in. He's not the main show.
Speaker 2: It's a basketball school. That's the type of place I
Speaker 2: could see him ending up and thriving.
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, not done, Zoe. When it comes to coaching
Speaker 1: in the near term, it's moving. Let me stay on
Speaker 1: the coaching side, Dan. Okay, this is a topic that
Speaker 1: you and I have kicked around on occasion. We haven't
Speaker 1: talked about it on the show too recently, but it
Speaker 1: came up each of the last two years, specifically because
Speaker 1: there was a Clemson Alabama national championship. There seems to
Speaker 1: be a school of thought that, at some point in time,
Speaker 1: because Dabo Sweeney went to Alabama, if Nick Saban retires,
Speaker 1: perhaps he'd be interested in going back to his alma mater.
Speaker 1: You have to assume that they would be interested in
Speaker 1: bringing him over. But there seems to be a school
Speaker 1: of thought out there. Maybe it's a wishful thinking that
Speaker 1: Dabo would consider coaching Alabama.
Speaker 2: So we'll frame it like this, five years of Clemson
Speaker 2: career in the future for Dabo, Donzo or not done.
Speaker 2: So Okay, Dunzo or not donez Dan not done. So
Speaker 2: I think Dabo's locked in. I think Dabo's locked in,
Speaker 2: and Alabama will go in a different direction. Once you
Speaker 2: win a national championship somewhere, once you've built what he's
Speaker 2: built at Clemson, you know, you can make a pretty
Speaker 2: easy argument that the Alabama job is more prestigious. But
Speaker 2: there have been many like, why would you ever ever
Speaker 2: ever want to follow Nick Saban at Alabama? That just
Speaker 2: seems Dabo's a smart dude. Dabo's a shrewd guy. He
Speaker 2: knows very clearly what he's doing at this point. He's
Speaker 2: a championship college football coach. Life. He's I think the
Speaker 2: best modern Clemson coach.
Speaker 1: Oh definitely.
Speaker 2: I mean there's, you know, a ton of love for
Speaker 2: Danny Ford and stuff like that, but in terms of
Speaker 2: the modern Clemson era, he is in that whole region,
Speaker 2: he is the best coach. So like mid Atlantic, you know,
Speaker 2: Upper South what I don't know what region that is?
Speaker 2: What am I talking about? But do not follow Nick Saban?
Speaker 1: Do not. You don't want to be the guy that
Speaker 1: follows the guy. Don't want to be the guy after
Speaker 1: the guy.
Speaker 2: I agree, Dabo's too smart. Too.
Speaker 1: I agree with you the notion. I want to play
Speaker 1: the sound. So I'm just going to say the notion
Speaker 1: of him going to Alabama I think has done so
Speaker 1: well that to me is done. So Okay, I don't
Speaker 1: think he's leaving Clemson. Once you get the hardware, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think he and write his own ticket for as
Speaker 1: long as he wants in Clemson, South Carolina.
Speaker 2: I think who would be that person to leave Jimbo.
Speaker 1: He's probably probably the favorite to get that job at
Speaker 1: some point. Lord knows he's Florida with Alabama. He's used
Speaker 1: Alabama to get a better contract.
Speaker 2: And you know, you hear the whispers that there's an
Speaker 2: itch that perhaps Tallahassee isn't scratching.
Speaker 1: Perhaps he wants to get out of Tallahassee, you know,
Speaker 1: for personal reasons or whatnot. Raw, I don't know. I'll
Speaker 1: believe it when I see at Florida State. It's a
Speaker 1: pretty good job.
Speaker 2: It's a very good job.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Where are we going next? Dan? Let's play the music?
Speaker 1: Where were going next? Here?
Speaker 2: Let's go here? Let's go with Oh god, I do
Speaker 2: not like our options here, ty, I do not. Okay,
Speaker 2: let's go with the big twelve over the next five years, okay,
Speaker 2: is the Big twelve? And I will not have to
Speaker 2: to reframe the question and the donzonis it's the Big twelve? Donzo,
Speaker 2: it's in the next five years ten teams, is it?
Speaker 1: Don So? Okay?
Speaker 2: Yes, they flirt with a number of potential candidates this
Speaker 2: past year before ultimately deciding not to expand back to
Speaker 2: twelve or however many teams, and there's certainly attractive schools
Speaker 2: out there for various reasons, both football and otherwise. Is
Speaker 2: the Big twelve as they are trying to reshape TV, deal,
Speaker 2: conference network, everything that goes along with being an alleged
Speaker 2: major conference donezo within the next five years, I don't think. So, Okay,
Speaker 2: you don't think teams will be scattering Texas and Oklahoma
Speaker 2: off to the Pac twelve, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think in order for that to happen,
Speaker 1: you're not just talking about the Big twelve. You're talking
Speaker 1: about a seismic shift in college football as a whole.
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about creating like a Pangaea Conference
Speaker 1: with some sort of massive realignment taking place all throughout
Speaker 1: the sport. I don't see that happening. I think they
Speaker 1: will find a way to keep it somewhat solvent. I
Speaker 1: am not the math wizard behind that plan, and so
Speaker 1: I'm not going to sit here and dot i's or
Speaker 1: cross t's and tell you exactly how they get there.
Speaker 1: But it just seems like a heavy lift for the
Speaker 1: conference as a whole to dissolve. Now. Could Texas be
Speaker 1: courted by the PAC Twelve, by the Big Ten, by anybody?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely. I just think there's too much there to keep
Speaker 1: them where they're at and preserve the status quo.
Speaker 2: I think the Big Twelve may be done though, whoa wow.
Speaker 2: And I'm going to tell you why. It has nothing
Speaker 2: specifically to do with where the Big Twelve is today
Speaker 2: in twenty seventeen. It has something to do with the
Speaker 2: fact that I think within the next five years we
Speaker 2: are going to see chaos beyond college football, just in
Speaker 2: terms of media rights as those deals start drying up.
Speaker 2: And I think those rights deals are going to start
Speaker 2: spreading thinner, not necessarily less money, but we're going to
Speaker 2: be going across digital and traditional PLATF forms. If you know,
Speaker 2: places like Google and Apple and Hulu and netflick, you know,
Speaker 2: all these entities, Amazon step into the media, fray Apple
Speaker 2: hired what Sony executives? Yeah, so I as money is
Speaker 2: sort of getting wider. I think it becomes more difficult
Speaker 2: for a place like the Big twelve to figure out
Speaker 2: exactly what it wants to do. And I am just
Speaker 2: betting on chaos. The fact that conferences with really good
Speaker 2: TV deals like the Big Ten and the SEC are
Speaker 2: making so much more money than Group of five schools,
Speaker 2: a little bit more money than conferences like the ACC.
Speaker 2: But who was about to get their own network a
Speaker 2: new deal in the Pac twelve that I think the
Speaker 2: divide is such that the structure of the sport is
Speaker 2: going to have to change just because the money is
Speaker 2: so it's going in so many different directions, very different levels.
Speaker 2: So I'm going to wager on chaos. And the Big
Speaker 2: twelve is the least stable of the major conferences, so
Speaker 2: I'm fine with saying that they're done.
Speaker 1: So who knows what's going to happen in five, six,
Speaker 1: seven years from now when it comes to consuming media.
Speaker 2: Do you think the Big twelve has a product problem?
Speaker 1: I think the problem with the product is that because
Speaker 1: it has historically been offense offense, offense, people have difficulty
Speaker 1: taking them seriously.
Speaker 2: Ty, do you know last year as I look at
Speaker 2: college football standings against AP teams AP ranked teams Big
Speaker 2: twelve teams outside of Oklahoma, so West Virginia, Kansas State, TCU, Texas,
Speaker 2: Texas Tech, Baylor, Iowa State, Kansas, how many combined wins
Speaker 2: they had against teams ranked in the apeople Is.
Speaker 1: It a number between zero and one?
Speaker 2: So that's how many teams? That's what's seven teams? Yeah,
Speaker 2: it is one. Wow, Baylor won one game against an
Speaker 2: AP ranked team. The rest of the teams were If
Speaker 2: my quick math works out, it looks like nine, fifteen,
Speaker 2: twenty one. Oh for twenty one. Wow, it's not the greatest.
Speaker 2: It's not the greatest. So they have a depth problem,
Speaker 2: they have a perception problem. It's just it's not a
Speaker 2: good time for this conference to be the least exciting
Speaker 2: of the five. And maybe Texas it's a nice springboard.
Speaker 2: Maybe Oklahoma with a new brand with Lincoln Riley. In
Speaker 2: the long term, it'll be you know, stoops players and
Speaker 2: obviously the current staff at least for the next year.
Speaker 2: You know, Matt Campbell at Iowa State Kansas is improving,
Speaker 2: so hopefully more depth moves forward. A lot of people
Speaker 2: like to argue about the cyclical nature of college football,
Speaker 2: but it sort of feels like quadruple right now, Okay
Speaker 2: in terms of entertainment.
Speaker 1: So you're saying Dunzel, I'm saying not done.
Speaker 2: So I'm saying Donzo within I'll say six years.
Speaker 1: When?
Speaker 2: So the TV contract is up twenty twenty three?
Speaker 1: All right, where are we going next?
Speaker 2: That's all I'm getting of the musical stab Well, I'm
Speaker 2: going the short, okay, short version of coming clean. Okay,
Speaker 2: We're gonna go with Nebraska Nebraska football. Yes, and we
Speaker 2: will go with Nebraska threatening to win nine or ten
Speaker 2: games in a perennial way like they did under Bo Polini.
Speaker 2: Now that we have a couple of classes of Mike
Speaker 2: Riley and we are sort of seeing how the offense
Speaker 2: and defense are now shifting. It's a new defensive coordinator
Speaker 2: this year with Bob Diaco. It's a new quarterback Tanner Lee,
Speaker 2: which has elicited a ton of different reactions without even
Speaker 2: playing a game or starting a game from Nebraska. Is
Speaker 2: Nebraska Donzo starting today late June as a team threatening
Speaker 2: nine or ten wins every season?
Speaker 1: So year in year out perennial contender for ten wins.
Speaker 2: Yes, they go nine to four last year with the ball.
Speaker 2: When they go six and three in the Big Ten,
Speaker 2: they don't lose a game at home, two and three
Speaker 2: on the road. Done, so.
Speaker 1: I'm not fearing one.
Speaker 2: Okay, why is that?
Speaker 1: First Off, the Big Ten has gotten a lot better.
Speaker 1: It's not just on the eastern side of the of
Speaker 1: the conference, but there's enough money throughout the Big Ten
Speaker 1: that you've got coaches like PJ. Fleck coming in the
Speaker 1: West taking over Minnesota. For a while, the Big Ten
Speaker 1: West has felt like the lesser of the two divisions
Speaker 1: in that conference. I think gradually that will change. Gradually
Speaker 1: they will equalize out a little bit, which will make
Speaker 1: it a little bit more difficult for anyone to run
Speaker 1: away with it. Well, because Nebraska inherently has some difficulty
Speaker 1: attracting like top fight players. You know, it's always been
Speaker 1: a difficult place to recruit to and I think if
Speaker 1: you now have more competition on that side of the division,
Speaker 1: it makes it all the more difficult to contend and
Speaker 1: perhaps ways he did years past. Beyond that, I'm not
Speaker 1: totally sold on Mike Riley yet. Ten wins, knowing that
Speaker 1: they've got Wisconsin on one side, knowing that they've got
Speaker 1: at least three heavyweights on the other side of the conference,
Speaker 1: depending on who they play in a given year, I
Speaker 1: could see him getting the ten wins, But I'm not
Speaker 1: going to sit here and tell you that in the
Speaker 1: near term ten wins is a possibility for Nebraska year
Speaker 1: in a year out, that just feels like a bridge
Speaker 1: too far from me.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nebraska has some nice pieces on defense. I'm not
Speaker 2: a big fan of optimism about Tannerley coming in and
Speaker 2: drastically improving the quarterback situation. Offensive skill talent is down
Speaker 2: entering this season. You know, there's still some holdover pieces
Speaker 2: that are interesting. But at this point, with how they
Speaker 2: finished out the year, I think they combined for thirteen
Speaker 2: or fourteen points combined in two of their losses at
Speaker 2: the back half or the last month of last season.
Speaker 2: I just I'm not a big believer in Mike Riley
Speaker 2: as upper echelon co in the year out.
Speaker 1: I mean, take take this year is a good example.
Speaker 1: Wisconsin should be pretty good again, it should be pretty good. Iowa. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: I was always like, what seven or eight win team
Speaker 1: and just following that category. At least Minnesota got a
Speaker 1: new coach, a lot of excitement there, they got, they
Speaker 1: got a ways though. I would assume if Fleck's there
Speaker 1: for an extended period of time, he will find a
Speaker 1: way to build them up, get him at least to
Speaker 1: a better point than they are right now. And they
Speaker 1: went on and for last year. Overall, Northwestern this year,
Speaker 1: as Bill Connolly pointed out, could be like a sleeper
Speaker 1: Big Ten West contender. Sure should be pretty good this year. Illinois,
Speaker 1: who knows about Illinois.
Speaker 2: Illinois, It's not gonna be good.
Speaker 1: Illinois is a mess. But Purdue just hired a new coach,
Speaker 1: hired a good guy.
Speaker 2: Ways to go.
Speaker 1: So I'm just saying the level of coaching aptitude in
Speaker 1: the Big Ten West has I think gone up.
Speaker 2: No, it definitely looks more entertaining.
Speaker 1: Definitely more entertaining.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what about that Nebraska fans Dunzo or not Donzo
Speaker 2: believing that they root for an A list program?
Speaker 1: Oh, definitely not done. So okay, you know, I hate
Speaker 1: to say that we have Nebraska people. Somebody asked us
Speaker 1: why we hate Nebraska fans. We don't hate Nebraska Fansbrako, don't. No,
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 2: I thought this show is founded on the very basic
Speaker 2: principle that we hate Nebraska.
Speaker 1: Nebraska people were so nice that I was taken aback
Speaker 1: by it.
Speaker 2: They're always very That's where I met a playboy playmate, Tailgating.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 2: I've always hold a special place in my heart and
Speaker 2: on my wall.
Speaker 1: All right, Dan, let me ask you this one. Okay,
Speaker 1: mattress is not named Casper Dunze or not Donezo.
Speaker 2: Completely donezo ty. Yeah, didn't have to think twice.
Speaker 1: So a little bit of an announcement here. I saw
Speaker 1: you this past weekend. We got to get a new troke.
Speaker 1: We did have a secret pow wow, did a little
Speaker 1: pow wow. Your Casper mattress is still in the box.
Speaker 1: That's true, it's still in the box. Down What are
Speaker 1: you waiting for? Why are you doing this to your back,
Speaker 1: to your body, to your sleeping arrangements? Why are you
Speaker 1: not relishing in the glory that is a Casper mattress.
Speaker 2: So, first of all, I have laid on a Casper
Speaker 2: mattress before, at a friend's house. I can't say too
Speaker 2: much more beyond that. Tie yeah, right, So I can't
Speaker 2: speak with authority about the comfort level. It is difficult
Speaker 2: to get rid of mattresses in a large city, so
Speaker 2: we have to like time it up with our building,
Speaker 2: and they've we've been going back and forth with them
Speaker 2: about the best time to get rid of it because
Speaker 2: you have to get like a special sleeve because of
Speaker 2: bedbug concerns in New York in order to dispose of
Speaker 2: a mattress properly.
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Speaker 1: We solicited a bunch of suggestions for this show out
Speaker 1: on Twitter. What we're trying to do again is go
Speaker 1: big picture. You're trying to talk about stuff that we
Speaker 1: haven't discussed before in the past.
Speaker 2: The spread offense as a unique offensive system. Donze non done.
Speaker 2: So this is kind of loaded. So why do you
Speaker 2: Why do you say, Donzel? Because the spread is not
Speaker 2: defined as one rigorous set of principles.
Speaker 1: Is it true? True? I just I kind of remember
Speaker 1: when the spread was becoming a thing, because we started
Speaker 1: doing the podcast back then.
Speaker 2: True, when it sort of infiltrated the major programs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, when the spread was in vogue and it
Speaker 1: could be utilized as like something that people hadn't seen before, right,
Speaker 1: That was a much much different day and age. Now
Speaker 1: everyone's using some form of the spread or some concepts
Speaker 1: they're borrowing from it. It's not like this new thing
Speaker 1: that people haven't seen before that they can't game plan for. It.
Speaker 1: Certainly can be difficult if you're going from like Navy
Speaker 1: one week to Oregon the next, but by all arge
Speaker 1: people people know what this is. So to call it
Speaker 1: a unique offensive system at this stage in the game,
Speaker 1: I can't go that far. There are definitely wrinkles within it, yeah,
Speaker 1: that make it interesting, that make it entertaining. If you
Speaker 1: would have asked, is it's still entertaining? That's definitely not donezo.
Speaker 1: I love watching a good spread offense, but as a
Speaker 1: unique system that's done so.
Speaker 2: So there have been elements of what we consider to
Speaker 2: be the spread going back decades, sure, and wrinkles throughout time.
Speaker 2: And whether it's the zone read, whether it's running inverted
Speaker 2: veer stuff, whether it's flexbone, which is my favorite new
Speaker 2: term in college football. You know, you look back to
Speaker 2: Kentucky when Mike Leach was there running that offense. They
Speaker 2: were running a ton of air raid principles with Tim
Speaker 2: Couch and what he was doing at Texas Tech predates
Speaker 2: obviously what we did when we started the show, and
Speaker 2: Urban Meyer was developing stuff at Bowling Green and Utah
Speaker 2: and Florida and having success there. So now that you
Speaker 2: watch college football and you see teams even like Alabama Stanford,
Speaker 2: Stanford runs the inverted veer. Stanford runs zone read concepts
Speaker 2: with traditional drop back type quarterbacks that also happen to
Speaker 2: be mobile. Andrew Luck and Kevin Hogan, guys like that.
Speaker 2: We saw what Jalen Hurts did at Alabama this year
Speaker 2: as they sort of poorted their offense into having principles
Speaker 2: of spread. So there isn't a team in America that
Speaker 2: I can think of that doesn't do something in a
Speaker 2: spread fashion. So I would say, without hesitation, the spread
Speaker 2: as a unique offensive system is completely dead. The spread
Speaker 2: offense is offense right now. Even with Stanford lining up
Speaker 2: under the under center ninety three percent of the time
Speaker 2: in like jumbo packages and stuff like that, Stanford football
Speaker 2: isn't defined by only that. So I would say it's
Speaker 2: impossible to be a successful Power five program at this point.
Speaker 2: And you can go back to Joe Tiller, and he
Speaker 2: was spreading the ball out at Purdue with his system.
Speaker 2: It's impossible to be a team like this without having
Speaker 2: some sort of element of the spread. In twenty seventeen,
Speaker 2: I defy anybody to name one who doesn't include parts
Speaker 2: of what we consider to be the modern spread into
Speaker 2: their system.
Speaker 1: The real world comparison here would be when Facebook opened
Speaker 1: itself up to parents. Yeah, you know, when parents were
Speaker 1: able to get on Facebook, then you knew it's like, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is no longer a secret society. This is now
Speaker 1: a thing that's going to go mainstream.
Speaker 2: I may be one of the last. Both my parents
Speaker 2: tie not on the book, really both not on the
Speaker 2: book and lead such happy lives.
Speaker 1: I could see your dad having interesting comment wars on Facebook.
Speaker 2: My one of my brothers does. But my dad is
Speaker 2: has steered clear and is happy about it. So yeah,
Speaker 2: it's it's almost to the point where like a trendy restaurant, like,
Speaker 2: are you a trendy restaurant anywhere in America that doesn't
Speaker 2: serve Brussels sprouts? You know that kind of like you
Speaker 2: might not serve Brussels sprouts, but you've got some sort
Speaker 2: of vegetable small plate that's shareable Okay, should we share
Speaker 2: some grainbians? Should we know? Should we share some some
Speaker 2: mushroom fries?
Speaker 1: I'm with you.
Speaker 2: I'm with you, so you might not be a Brussels
Speaker 2: sprout restaurant. Tie should probably have some sort of version
Speaker 2: of sprouts.
Speaker 1: All right, let's do one more here, Dan, Okay, one
Speaker 1: more here, and then we can move on and talk
Speaker 1: about some other stuff. Thank you to everyone who wrote in.
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Speaker 1: so stay tuned. We'll send that out via the newsletter
Speaker 1: at some point in the near future. This one I
Speaker 1: found interesting, okay, and you know, it's something that we've
Speaker 1: discussed here and there, but it's just interesting to me.
Speaker 1: I love the word and it came in via Twitter. Okay,
Speaker 1: is it done so or not Donezo Stanford as the
Speaker 1: neighborhood bully.
Speaker 2: I'm not sure what this means. I'm gonna be quite honest.
Speaker 1: It's also to interpretate. So here's what I think it means. Okay,
Speaker 1: you can tell me what it means to you, But
Speaker 1: what it means to me is Stanford in recent years
Speaker 1: has taken on this persona of just a team that's
Speaker 1: going to go out there, line up opposite you and
Speaker 1: just beat your brains in, beat your brains in. H
Speaker 1: And you know, the neighborhood bully thing might have a
Speaker 1: negative connotation in a college football sense. It's kind of
Speaker 1: cool just to know that there's a super physical team
Speaker 1: out there. But I guess the question is asking, perhaps
Speaker 1: due to turnover, perhaps due to the fact that everyone
Speaker 1: knows they've been the neighborhood bully, the Stanford still have
Speaker 1: that reputation? Is it still preserved? Is it Dunzo or
Speaker 1: not done so?
Speaker 2: So, No, it is nowhere near Dunzo as Stanford having
Speaker 2: that narrative of being the neighborhood bully because they keep
Speaker 2: signing the best offensive lineman in the country. Now and
Speaker 2: if your reputation is lining up as many large humans
Speaker 2: as possible and using those large humans to obliterate the
Speaker 2: spleens of everybody in front of them, and you keep
Speaker 2: getting the best guys doing that, No, and I like
Speaker 2: that they play to an identity. I love that. I
Speaker 2: love that Stanford arguably one of the places with the
Speaker 2: lowest floor as a program, just because of the difficulty
Speaker 2: in getting players to Stanford that are of high quality
Speaker 2: both on the field and in the classroom, and can
Speaker 2: get into the school with like a three five or
Speaker 2: a three a GPA, whatever you need as a football
Speaker 2: player to get in, the fact that they have sustained
Speaker 2: success Like David Shaw. If he were at any other
Speaker 2: like if Stanford were in the SEC, and he was
Speaker 2: sustaining this level of success, everybody would be fawning over
Speaker 2: him year in and year out. But the fact that he's
Speaker 2: in a quiet place in northern California, away from the
Speaker 2: heartbeat of college football. He just sort of lives his life,
Speaker 2: plucks the best quarterbacks, plucks the best tackles, hires really
Speaker 2: good assistance, and goes at winning ten games even in
Speaker 2: down years like they did last year. It's incredible.
Speaker 1: If I go back to twenty twelve Dan Stanford twelve wins,
Speaker 1: twenty thirteen Stanford eleven wins, twenty fourteen Stanford with only
Speaker 1: eight wins, eight lowly wins. But then I go to
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Stanford twelve more wins. Last year, Stanford started
Speaker 1: off kind of looked Rocky still found a way to
Speaker 1: get to ten wins, won their last six games. There's
Speaker 1: no way possible this team is not still the neighborhood Bully,
Speaker 1: not still capable. I think you're right to point out
Speaker 1: they might have a lower floor than many other programs
Speaker 1: out there. The fact that they're able to do what
Speaker 1: they've done to have this level of success, given the
Speaker 1: fact that it's an institution that prides itself so deeply
Speaker 1: on its high academic standards that at other places that
Speaker 1: would definitely be a barrier. Yes, and one other one here.
Speaker 1: Actually we're not going to play the music for this one,
Speaker 1: but you may have heard the Audible podcast.
Speaker 2: Yes, our pals might.
Speaker 1: Have heard the most recent Audible podcast from our friends
Speaker 1: Bruce Felman Stuart Mandel to common guests on the Solid Verbal,
Speaker 1: they had some sad news that it's likely the end
Speaker 1: of the Audible due to some strategic shifts that are
Speaker 1: going on at Fox Sports and foxsports dot Com. On
Speaker 1: the heels of that, we receive some questions via Twitter
Speaker 1: the email about what is what does this mean? Kind
Speaker 1: of in the context of the Dunzo not Dunzo show here,
Speaker 1: not to try and make a joke out of this
Speaker 1: by any stretch, but the question is not so much
Speaker 1: Doneo or not Donzo, but where's college football journalism, where's
Speaker 1: college football podcasting? Where is this whole sports media thing headed?
Speaker 1: In light of some of this news, there was more
Speaker 1: news today that some other friends at other websites have
Speaker 1: been let go. So this has been a recurring theme
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. Dan, you're in the
Speaker 1: in the media business as a day job and not
Speaker 1: so my serious day job. What's going on here?
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful question, Ty, Yeah, Bruce and Stu have
Speaker 2: always been I mean, you're listening to the solid verbal
Speaker 2: in no small part because Bruce and Stu early on,
Speaker 2: we're generous with their time and we're great on the
Speaker 2: show along with people at other entities. But it's such
Speaker 2: a bummer to see this, and we tweeted that yesterday.
Speaker 2: But you know, Bruce and Stu, and you know, Stu
Speaker 2: has been a mainstay of just sort of big picture
Speaker 2: college football for years and years, both at s I
Speaker 2: and Fox and Bruce and breaking stories and doing sideline
Speaker 2: stuff and features and writing books. Like these are Titans
Speaker 2: and to see this happen at Fox with If you
Speaker 2: haven't read the piece at Awful Announcing, you should read
Speaker 2: it and try to keep a level head because it's
Speaker 2: sort of infuriating, especially if you care about you know,
Speaker 2: college football or sports media or whatever, because a lot
Speaker 2: of good people are affected, and this is something that
Speaker 2: we all look at sort of you know, big pictures,
Speaker 2: like a hobby of something we love. But it does
Speaker 2: suck to see, especially for reasons that are still not
Speaker 2: super clear to me, like they just obliterated. If you
Speaker 2: go to Fox sports dot com right now, and Fox
Speaker 2: sports dot com is where you got your start, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: way back when, back in the day. Yeah, it is
Speaker 2: all clips of TV shows.
Speaker 1: It's an interesting digital strategy.
Speaker 2: Perhaps like a creative graveyard.
Speaker 1: I could talk at length, perhaps not in this forum,
Speaker 1: but in another one about the digital strategy or at
Speaker 1: least the attempt at a digital strategy there. But as
Speaker 1: it relates to college football.
Speaker 2: And yeah and the audible and yeah, I mean this.
Speaker 1: Has been a theme. There's been something that's been going on.
Speaker 1: A lot of good people have been have been losing
Speaker 1: their jobs, and so it's probably a fair question to
Speaker 1: ask where's it where's it all headed? There's no denying
Speaker 1: the fact that it's a very difficult business model to solve,
Speaker 1: very difficult business model to solve. Publishing as a whole
Speaker 1: has definitely seen a downturn.
Speaker 2: And when you have these places that are TV networks
Speaker 2: and magazines and websites and they have sort of hands
Speaker 2: and all sorts of buckets that are all sort of
Speaker 2: coming into the same pool, it becomes very difficult to
Speaker 2: sustain and figure out identity and where you should be going.
Speaker 2: And you have a ton of different cooks in the kitchen.
Speaker 2: And you know, we saw everything affected at ESPN a
Speaker 2: few weeks a few months ago. You know our pals there,
Speaker 2: you know, Brett McMurphy, Chantel Jennings, Ted Miller. These are
Speaker 2: all people we read and love all the time. And
Speaker 2: that's not weird that phrasing, now that I listened back,
Speaker 2: tie was not ideal. But Lindsay Schnelletts Sports Illustrated and
Speaker 2: she was doing a podcast with our palle Andy Staples.
Speaker 2: We love Lindsay, We love you know our people at
Speaker 2: SI and it's just it's a tough thing to crack,
Speaker 2: and you hate to see it. And anybody that tells
Speaker 2: you that they know where media is going, they they
Speaker 2: have figured it out, they have solved it. This is
Speaker 2: how they've cracked the riddle. They're just they're just full
Speaker 2: of blockbuster.
Speaker 1: Had the media rights figured out too exactly for a
Speaker 1: period of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, our friends at Bleacher Report.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so things are changing. I would hope that there
Speaker 1: would be strong independent publishers that would pop up that
Speaker 1: would value the kind of fine work these friends of
Speaker 1: ours have done, yeah, and would offer them shelter where
Speaker 1: they could do their work.
Speaker 2: What's interesting, And I think it was Brian who told
Speaker 2: me this this morning at work, Ryan Nanny, that you
Speaker 2: have places like Fox who are rights holders now not
Speaker 2: really writing about the sports that they like. Is the
Speaker 2: PAC twelve going to be happy that foxsports dot com
Speaker 2: doesn't write about sports, that ESPN dot com is writing
Speaker 2: a lot less about sports, the SEC happy that ESPN
Speaker 2: dot com employees fewer college football writers even though there's
Speaker 2: still a ton there that they're not covering the sports
Speaker 2: in the same way, but yet paying all this money
Speaker 2: and it's it's not going to be a great situation,
Speaker 2: which is why we talked earlier about the Big twelve
Speaker 2: and chaos and media stuff. But it's rough. And anybody
Speaker 2: that works in this industry, anybody that has tried to
Speaker 2: work in this industry, knows that there are a finite
Speaker 2: number of jobs and there are way more talented people
Speaker 2: than there are jobs. Yeah, and it's tough.
Speaker 1: Just again thirty thousand foot view. As digital strategy goes,
Speaker 1: things are headed in a much more video centric direction.
Speaker 1: There's no denying that the problem is you need videos
Speaker 1: that people want to watch. You have to sell ads
Speaker 1: against those videos.
Speaker 2: Big picture as well, people are worse off than people
Speaker 2: losing jobs in sports media and that's cool. I mean
Speaker 2: that's not cool, but that's you know, that's something we
Speaker 2: also realize. But this is the medium we're in. And
Speaker 2: something that I also recognize is I don't think we
Speaker 2: ever like stew and Bruce with the Audible, Lindsay and
Speaker 2: Andy with Campus Rush, like I don't. I never viewed
Speaker 2: them as competition, like they're our competition is people doing
Speaker 2: things with their time other than podcasting. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was for podcasts to be perfect exactly, So the
Speaker 1: more the merrier.
Speaker 2: Yeah. So people that bring listeners to the medium is
Speaker 2: who we're fans of. So we're positive Bruce and Stue
Speaker 2: will land in a good place where we're hopeful that
Speaker 2: college football podcast, sports podcast, college sports podcast we Love
Speaker 2: you know shut down full cast and podcasting played nobody
Speaker 2: and all sorts of people in the space succeed grow.
Speaker 2: It's good for everybody. It's just it's tough to see
Speaker 2: for such stupid reasons. Well, for such stupid I wish.
Speaker 1: I wish Bruce and Stu and many other friends who
Speaker 1: have had to go through this all the best. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to watch. You hate to see it,
Speaker 1: and you don't wish on anybody and any in any
Speaker 1: profession for sure, But yeah, you know, we wish them
Speaker 1: well and hopefully we can talk to them soon. We
Speaker 1: just talked to Bruce a couple of weeks.
Speaker 2: Ago, and we're not all lucky and fortunate enough like you, Tie,
Speaker 2: like you are, Like you've got the secret day job
Speaker 2: pushing pro Russian propaganda for a Ukrainian consulting company. I've
Speaker 2: seen the news. Tie, You're doing quite well.
Speaker 1: We're all just trying to make a dime this world in.
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true and good for you, but uh yeah,
Speaker 2: think about side hustles. Everybody think about side hustles and
Speaker 2: I'm okay, I'm okay publicizing this. I would love to
Speaker 2: rent chairs for events time. I've said this to you before.
Speaker 2: After planning a wedding, people are always going to need
Speaker 2: to sit down at various events, and Rubinstein and Rubinstein
Speaker 2: and hilden Brandt will be thrilled to rent your chair.
Speaker 1: Can we organize some sort of multi level marketing scheme
Speaker 1: whereby we're trying to be in the chair business, but
Speaker 1: it's also something that we can do like Facebook live
Speaker 1: events around because that seems absolutely to be very hot
Speaker 1: right now. I'm just trying to figure out a way
Speaker 1: to put a marry them both, you know, put a
Speaker 1: nice face on it that people actually want to do it.
Speaker 2: I swear to you, Ty, I am going to be
Speaker 2: the chair king of California before this is all said
Speaker 2: and done, you.
Speaker 1: Could be the chairman.
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the chair man, the chair person
Speaker 2: of California. But yeah, side Hustles, Tie, let's get that
Speaker 2: business going on.
Speaker 1: Etsy, Let's send people off on a bride or another.
Speaker 1: Is July okay this week?
Speaker 2: Yes it is.
Speaker 1: We're going to be listening to us, perhaps on the
Speaker 1: way to a picnic. Let's talk some grilling very quickly.
Speaker 1: You got five minutes.
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't own a grill. I don't grow it
Speaker 2: many times.
Speaker 1: Are you going to? Are you gonna go somewhere where
Speaker 1: there is a grill?
Speaker 2: God willing tie? I really do hope. So you own
Speaker 2: a grill. You've been growing a lot. We've got a
Speaker 2: couple of questions here. Somebody asked about, like the best
Speaker 2: electric grill. I don't have much help for that. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't, just because apartment complexes don't always allow for
Speaker 2: charcoal or gas. Here is good question, ty, Yeah, the
Speaker 2: best sausage for grilling? Okay, tell me about your sausage loves.
Speaker 1: Another weird phrasing, Dan, Thanks, I stand by that one.
Speaker 1: It's what you do best, so thank you. I like
Speaker 1: the hot Italian turkey sausage. Yeah, hot Italian turkey sausage
Speaker 1: grillers that you can buy. Wegman's has a fantastic variety
Speaker 1: of these. Can you do a lot with it?
Speaker 2: Hot Italian sausage, whether you like pork or turkey or
Speaker 2: chicken or whatever, is always good. Best sausage I've ever
Speaker 2: had in my life. I think was beef sausage and
Speaker 2: Texas like Jlapeno beef sausage. If you can get a
Speaker 2: hold of that, like Texas style barbecue sausage, that is outstanding.
Speaker 2: Maybe some hot mustard, some grilled peppers and onions, that's cats.
Speaker 1: There is spicy mustard by the way, and we've talked
Speaker 1: about on the show. Oh.
Speaker 2: Absolutely.
Speaker 1: That was something that I discovered only a summer or
Speaker 1: two ago while eating a sausage sandwich, and it changed
Speaker 1: my life.
Speaker 2: I would say, if you want to grow Mexican, I
Speaker 2: would look up roy I c h o I roy
Speaker 2: CHOI carne asada and his marinate with like roasted tomatoes
Speaker 2: and cilantro. It's a little bit Asian, it's a little
Speaker 2: bit Mexican. It's the best marinade that exists, the recipe
Speaker 2: for that. My final thought is this ty because people
Speaker 2: are going to keep it basic and straightforward and for
Speaker 2: good reason on July fourth, and they're gonna make burgers
Speaker 2: and dogs. This is my big tip, big tip. Actually
Speaker 2: I have a double tip for burgers.
Speaker 1: Double tip.
Speaker 2: Okay, one American cheese. Don't I don't care for your jack,
Speaker 2: I don't care for your cheddar. Wow, I don't care
Speaker 2: for your Swiss. Those are all fine cheeses. Hot for burgers, Yeah,
Speaker 2: for burgers. I'm an American cheese man. It gets gooey,
Speaker 2: it's it's just the top of the top for me.
Speaker 2: That's my opinion. I would recommend it. Everybody's probably had
Speaker 2: that by now. Number two though, is get a recipe
Speaker 2: and scan recipes online for burger sauces like variants of
Speaker 2: Thousand Island kind of thing. You're mixing may and ketchup
Speaker 2: or serrachia and a little bit of lemon juice and
Speaker 2: some seasoning, maybe some finely dice pickles in there.
Speaker 1: Maybe some guy fiery donkey sauce.
Speaker 2: Right, don't do that. Don't do that. No, I think
Speaker 2: it's just al. I think that's just like a male
Speaker 2: but maybe a middle mustard in there. You mix all
Speaker 2: those together, slather them on both sides of the bun.
Speaker 2: It's I it boggles my mind why people aren't making
Speaker 2: burger sauces for their burgers. It brings everything out, creamy, salty, whatever, tangy,
Speaker 2: A little bit of a dobo sauce if you want
Speaker 2: in there from can chipotles.
Speaker 1: Okay up, yes, no idea what that is. But it
Speaker 1: sounds delightful.
Speaker 2: Can chipotles so like canned Mexican pepper is the sauce
Speaker 2: therein is called in a dobo.
Speaker 1: I knew that Adobe made a dobo and that it
Speaker 1: used to be a form of a house that American
Speaker 1: Indians built, but I was not aware of the sauce.
Speaker 2: Sure, it's like it's a mix of just like tomato
Speaker 2: sauce and vinegar and garlic and stuff like that. But
Speaker 2: it takes the heat of the chipotle is very nice. Interesting, Yeah, interesting?
Speaker 2: Is that is my recommendation roy CHOI for a carne
Speaker 2: asada marinade, and then look up husk sauce husk like
Speaker 2: the restaurant in Charleston and Nashville for a burger sauce.
Speaker 2: Those are my big recommendations in American cheese.
Speaker 1: If I said, Dan, now talk for twenty straight minutes
Speaker 1: about this, you could. You could do it without any
Speaker 1: assistance from me whatsoever.
Speaker 2: I would start talking about shred your iceberg lettuce as
Speaker 2: finely as possible.
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in a derogatory way. It's
Speaker 1: a scout, absolutely not.
Speaker 2: It comes to food, you want to butter up your
Speaker 2: buns and throw them on the grill for a few seconds.
Speaker 2: Who doesn't I think that's a great idea. I'm also
Speaker 2: going to throw this in TI, because you got me
Speaker 2: all worked up. Okay, eighty twenty is your ideal ratio
Speaker 2: for beef. Get some fat in there, Okay. You want
Speaker 2: to get some flavor, you want to get some crust,
Speaker 2: you want to get some oozing. Eighty twenty is the ratio,
Speaker 2: all right, don't settle for anything leanter Come.
Speaker 1: On, speaking of beef, we'll close out with this, okay.
Speaker 1: I have eight ounce file at grilling instructions for anyone
Speaker 1: who might be interested.
Speaker 2: You're preferred cut of steak?
Speaker 1: I like a good filet. Yeah. I don't like a
Speaker 1: lot of gristle on my steak. Okay, some people like that.
Speaker 1: I just I prefer the clean eating of the filet.
Speaker 2: Oh, that's fine, Okay. I don't like steak enough to
Speaker 2: have strong steak thoughts. I like rabbis, but you know,
Speaker 2: I've had good cuts of steak of all kinds.
Speaker 1: I'm not like a pure carnivore, you know. I don't
Speaker 1: need a steak a week or anything, but like a
Speaker 1: good steak every now and again. And as someone who
Speaker 1: is a new grill owner. I've taken it very seriously.
Speaker 1: How to cook a steak?
Speaker 2: What's your basic methodology?
Speaker 1: So let me tell you how I got this. Okay,
Speaker 1: it's not like a family recipe or anything like that,
Speaker 1: but I quite literally stood behind and took copious notes
Speaker 1: as my father in law cooked one of the best
Speaker 1: steaks I've ever had in my life. H eight ounce
Speaker 1: steak grilling instructions. Here's how he does it, all right.
Speaker 1: He might get angry if he finds out that I
Speaker 1: told the world this, but there's not any real secret here, right.
Speaker 1: The secret is a seer burner.
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't even know what a seer burner.
Speaker 1: Burner is, just a burner that gets real hot on
Speaker 1: the grill. Oh okay, yeah, you can see her using
Speaker 1: any any number of different ways, but of course, yeah,
Speaker 1: he does a one minute sere on one side, then
Speaker 1: he flips it over, does another one minute here on
Speaker 1: the other, and he turns the seer burner off, moves
Speaker 1: the stake to another burner that's going it like high
Speaker 1: or medium high.
Speaker 2: Okay, usually high, so direct heat.
Speaker 1: Yeah, direct heat. Leaves that on for seven minutes, flips
Speaker 1: it over again, cooks it for another four and then
Speaker 1: pulls it off. Then you gotta let it set for
Speaker 1: a little bit. You have to, you know, like ten minutes.
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll continue to let it cook. I'd be curious
Speaker 1: to hear from other folks how they cook an eight
Speaker 1: ounce full a but that's the reverse. Yeah, that's been
Speaker 1: my methodology in the past, and certainly as we now
Speaker 1: get into college football and tailgating season.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: My hunch is that's someone will take exception to what
Speaker 1: I just described.
Speaker 2: But be curious to ask you this more opinion. May
Speaker 2: I ask you this? It gets cold in eastern pa
Speaker 2: very the winter times, so much so that you probably
Speaker 2: don't want to be outside growing.
Speaker 1: No, but I've done it. I've done it at Christmas time.
Speaker 2: Will you mess around with like a cast iron skillet?
Speaker 2: Because I think you should. They're one.
Speaker 1: I would, I would consider it.
Speaker 2: I'm open you should get yourself one.
Speaker 1: I'll be open to it. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Okay, that's all I'm checking on. That's all I'm checking on.
Speaker 1: Okay, uh Donzo not Donezo? Another one in the books.
Speaker 2: Another one of the books. What do we have coming
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Speaker 2: Uh.
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Speaker 1: mm hmm. Some other news we'll see beyond that, though,
Speaker 1: we've got a recruiting show that we're working on. Yep,
Speaker 1: kind of in the same vein as the se how
Speaker 1: college football coaches get hired. A little bit of different
Speaker 1: style for us, but the first one went over, Well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it again. We've also got a super
Speaker 1: secret show coming with Bill Barnwell later on in July.
Speaker 1: This is true, followed a few days later by the
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Speaker 1: our tenth season now doing the podcast. Yeah, we're gonna
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Speaker 1: years to kind of get us to this point where
Speaker 1: we're doing a ten year special.
Speaker 2: It will be the height. I can't promise it across
Speaker 2: all podcasting or even college football podcasting, but it will
Speaker 2: be the height of Solid Verbal naval gazing. I cannot wait.
Speaker 1: We will be doing that show in the presence of
Speaker 1: one another too. As we will with Bill Barbell. We're
Speaker 1: gonna be doing that one live, not live live, but
Speaker 1: will actually be in the same in person in person
Speaker 1: thank you. And then after that, Dan, then then we're
Speaker 1: starting to starting to go pedal the metal once we
Speaker 1: get into August and we're going to do our team
Speaker 1: previews and then at the end of August we're talking
Speaker 1: games ready. So it's gonna happen pretty quick now over
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