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Speaker 2: I'll that for me. I'm a man, I'm forty. I've

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Speaker 2: heard so many players say, well, I want to be happy,

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Speaker 1: Is that? Whoo whoom? And Dan and Tye, welcome back

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Speaker 1: to the solid verbal, boys and girls. My name is

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Speaker 1: ty Hildon Brand joining me over there, beautiful New York City,

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Speaker 1: a fine gentleman who goes by the name of mister

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Speaker 1: Dan Rubinstein. Sir, how are you?

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Speaker 2: I'm good? I am. I am single once again, Tye,

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Speaker 2: Jody with an eye is on her way back over

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Speaker 2: the Atlantic. But I have been once again a bachelor

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Speaker 2: of New York for four days. And do you want

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Speaker 2: to know how I spent that time?

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Speaker 1: Tie?

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Speaker 2: Probably not, but here it is.

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Speaker 1: I mean I would imagine a lot of wild partying,

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Speaker 2: It was Crossford Puzzle Night two nights ago. And by

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Speaker 2: New York Times Tuesday crossword puzzles. Let's see. I cooked

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Speaker 2: that's crazy, that's international puzzling. I'm not ready for that.

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Speaker 2: So that's all that's going on right now in my life, gratefully.

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Speaker 2: So it's been low key. And actually when working on

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Speaker 2: nobody knows about this outside of Espionation and people that

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Speaker 2: are tight with Espianation. People been working on an incredibly

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Speaker 1: Something that rather than I know about this, do you

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Speaker 1: very cool idea, if I don't say so myself, and

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Speaker 2: Yes, So that'll be happening sooner rather than later in

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Speaker 2: the Espianation college football universe, so you'll keep your eyes peeled.

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Speaker 2: But other than that, tie, life has been good. No complaints.

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Speaker 2: So we've got a theme episode. We've done this in

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Speaker 2: What is grown men?

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Speaker 1: Right? What does that mean?

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Speaker 2: It is a word that our good friend, Kristin Cavaleri

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Speaker 2: a former SEC football player Jay Cutler, uttered on the

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Speaker 1: Chip Kelly, not done, Zoe. When it comes to coaching

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Speaker 1: in the near term, it's moving. Let me stay on

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Speaker 1: the coaching side, Dan. Okay, this is a topic that

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Where are we going next? Dan? Let's play the music?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely. I just think there's too much there to keep

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Speaker 1: So who knows what's going to happen in five, six,

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Speaker 2: Ty, do you know last year as I look at

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Speaker 2: So the TV contract is up twenty twenty three?

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Speaker 2: We're gonna go with Nebraska Nebraska football. Yes, and we

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Speaker 2: Yes, they go nine to four last year with the ball.

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Speaker 1: First Off, the Big Ten has gotten a lot better.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Nebraska has some nice pieces on defense. I'm not

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Speaker 2: I just I'm not a big believer in Mike Riley

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Speaker 1: I mean, take take this year is a good example.

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Speaker 2: Illinois, It's not gonna be good.

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Speaker 1: Illinois is a mess. But Purdue just hired a new coach,

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Speaker 2: Ways to go.

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Speaker 2: No, it definitely looks more entertaining.

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Speaker 1: Definitely more entertaining.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, what about that Nebraska fans Dunzo or not Donzo

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Speaker 1: I don't.

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Speaker 2: I thought this show is founded on the very basic

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Speaker 2: principle that we hate Nebraska.

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Speaker 1: Nebraska people were so nice that I was taken aback

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Speaker 1: by it.

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Speaker 2: They're always very That's where I met a playboy playmate, Tailgating.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 2: I've always hold a special place in my heart and

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Speaker 2: on my wall.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, let me ask you this one. Okay,

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Speaker 1: mattress is not named Casper Dunze or not Donezo.

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Speaker 2: Completely donezo ty. Yeah, didn't have to think twice.

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Speaker 1: So a little bit of an announcement here. I saw

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Speaker 1: you this past weekend. We got to get a new troke.

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Speaker 1: We did have a secret pow wow, did a little

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Speaker 1: pow wow. Your Casper mattress is still in the box.

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Speaker 1: That's true, it's still in the box. Down What are

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Speaker 1: you waiting for? Why are you doing this to your back,

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Speaker 1: to your body, to your sleeping arrangements? Why are you

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Speaker 1: not relishing in the glory that is a Casper mattress.

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Speaker 2: So, first of all, I have laid on a Casper

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Speaker 2: mattress before, at a friend's house. I can't say too

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Speaker 2: much more beyond that. Tie yeah, right, So I can't

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Speaker 2: speak with authority about the comfort level. It is difficult

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Speaker 2: to get rid of mattresses in a large city, so

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Speaker 2: we have to like time it up with our building,

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Speaker 2: and they've we've been going back and forth with them

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Speaker 2: about the best time to get rid of it because

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Speaker 2: you have to get like a special sleeve because of

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Speaker 2: bedbug concerns in New York in order to dispose of

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Speaker 2: a mattress properly.

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Speaker 1: I was under the impression that the responsible way to

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Speaker 1: dispose of a mattress was just to drive out in

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Speaker 1: the highway and throw it along the side by the guarden.

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Speaker 2: Not as not from understanding, that was not how New

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Speaker 2: York City works. So I will be putting it on

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Speaker 2: my bedspring. Is that what it's called? Yes, as soon

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Speaker 2: as humanly possible. But it is still and it's comically

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Speaker 2: situated in a box that looks far too small to

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Speaker 2: hold a large It's.

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Speaker 1: Like that half wall in your apartment.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's amazing solid.

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Speaker 1: Wife Kate has been traveling for her mysterious day job,

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Speaker 1: and she's been staying in various hotel rooms across the

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Speaker 1: good old us of A. When she comes home, she's like,

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Speaker 1: I love our mattress. Thank you to Casper to sending

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Speaker 1: US mattresses. They have an award winning design. It's continuously

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Speaker 1: You see mattress stores all across the country. You don't

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Speaker 2: I've said it before and I'll say it again. Ty,

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Speaker 2: sleep is the greatest drug there is. Go get that danky,

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Speaker 2: danky Casper.

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Speaker 1: All right, Dan, We actually solicited a bunch of these.

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Speaker 2: On Wait, hold on, is danky a good word?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So go get the stickiest stuff. Nope, we don't

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Speaker 2: want to talk talk about the mattresses sticky, So go

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Speaker 2: get that good stuff, that good, good Casper.

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Speaker 1: We solicited a bunch of suggestions for this show out

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Speaker 1: on Twitter. What we're trying to do again is go

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Speaker 1: big picture. You're trying to talk about stuff that we

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Speaker 1: haven't discussed before in the past.

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Speaker 2: The spread offense as a unique offensive system. Donze non done.

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Speaker 2: So this is kind of loaded. So why do you

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Speaker 2: Why do you say, Donzel? Because the spread is not

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Speaker 2: defined as one rigorous set of principles.

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Speaker 1: Is it true? True? I just I kind of remember

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Speaker 1: when the spread was becoming a thing, because we started

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Speaker 1: doing the podcast back then.

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Speaker 2: True, when it sort of infiltrated the major programs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, right, when the spread was in vogue and it

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Speaker 1: could be utilized as like something that people hadn't seen before, right,

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Speaker 1: That was a much much different day and age. Now

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Speaker 1: everyone's using some form of the spread or some concepts

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Speaker 1: they're borrowing from it. It's not like this new thing

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Speaker 1: that people haven't seen before that they can't game plan for. It.

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Speaker 1: Certainly can be difficult if you're going from like Navy

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Speaker 1: one week to Oregon the next, but by all arge

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Speaker 1: people people know what this is. So to call it

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Speaker 1: a unique offensive system at this stage in the game,

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Speaker 1: I can't go that far. There are definitely wrinkles within it, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that make it interesting, that make it entertaining. If you

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Speaker 1: would have asked, is it's still entertaining? That's definitely not donezo.

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Speaker 1: I love watching a good spread offense, but as a

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Speaker 1: unique system that's done so.

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Speaker 2: So there have been elements of what we consider to

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Speaker 2: be the spread going back decades, sure, and wrinkles throughout time.

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Speaker 2: And whether it's the zone read, whether it's running inverted

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Speaker 2: veer stuff, whether it's flexbone, which is my favorite new

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Speaker 2: term in college football. You know, you look back to

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Speaker 2: Kentucky when Mike Leach was there running that offense. They

543
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 2: were running a ton of air raid principles with Tim

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Speaker 2: Couch and what he was doing at Texas Tech predates

545
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Speaker 2: obviously what we did when we started the show, and

546
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Speaker 2: Urban Meyer was developing stuff at Bowling Green and Utah

547
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:33,400
Speaker 2: and Florida and having success there. So now that you

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Speaker 2: watch college football and you see teams even like Alabama Stanford,

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00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:43,000
Speaker 2: Stanford runs the inverted veer. Stanford runs zone read concepts

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Speaker 2: with traditional drop back type quarterbacks that also happen to

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Speaker 2: be mobile. Andrew Luck and Kevin Hogan, guys like that.

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Speaker 2: We saw what Jalen Hurts did at Alabama this year

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Speaker 2: as they sort of poorted their offense into having principles

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Speaker 2: of spread. So there isn't a team in America that

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Speaker 2: I can think of that doesn't do something in a

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Speaker 2: spread fashion. So I would say, without hesitation, the spread

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Speaker 2: as a unique offensive system is completely dead. The spread

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Speaker 2: offense is offense right now. Even with Stanford lining up

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Speaker 2: under the under center ninety three percent of the time

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Speaker 2: in like jumbo packages and stuff like that, Stanford football

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Speaker 2: isn't defined by only that. So I would say it's

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Speaker 2: impossible to be a successful Power five program at this point.

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Speaker 2: And you can go back to Joe Tiller, and he

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Speaker 2: was spreading the ball out at Purdue with his system.

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Speaker 2: It's impossible to be a team like this without having

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Speaker 2: some sort of element of the spread. In twenty seventeen,

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Speaker 2: I defy anybody to name one who doesn't include parts

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Speaker 2: of what we consider to be the modern spread into

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Speaker 2: their system.

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Speaker 1: The real world comparison here would be when Facebook opened

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Speaker 1: itself up to parents. Yeah, you know, when parents were

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Speaker 1: able to get on Facebook, then you knew it's like, Okay,

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Speaker 1: this is no longer a secret society. This is now

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Speaker 1: a thing that's going to go mainstream.

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Speaker 2: I may be one of the last. Both my parents

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Speaker 2: tie not on the book, really both not on the

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Speaker 2: book and lead such happy lives.

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Speaker 1: I could see your dad having interesting comment wars on Facebook.

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Speaker 2: My one of my brothers does. But my dad is

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Speaker 2: has steered clear and is happy about it. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's it's almost to the point where like a trendy restaurant, like,

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Speaker 2: are you a trendy restaurant anywhere in America that doesn't

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Speaker 2: serve Brussels sprouts? You know that kind of like you

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Speaker 2: might not serve Brussels sprouts, but you've got some sort

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Speaker 2: of vegetable small plate that's shareable Okay, should we share

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Speaker 2: some grainbians? Should we know? Should we share some some

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Speaker 2: mushroom fries?

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Speaker 1: I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I'm with you, so you might not be a Brussels

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Speaker 2: sprout restaurant. Tie should probably have some sort of version

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Speaker 2: of sprouts.

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Speaker 1: All right, let's do one more here, Dan, Okay, one

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Speaker 1: more here, and then we can move on and talk

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Speaker 1: about some other stuff. Thank you to everyone who wrote in.

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Speaker 1: By the way, at sOliver, We're on Twitter. Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the show on Apple Podcasts. We're also on Google Play,

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Speaker 1: coming soon to Spotify for those of you who are

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Speaker 1: familiar with that service. We appreciate their help and getting

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Speaker 1: the bubble on there. Probably in the next week or so,

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Speaker 1: so stay tuned. We'll send that out via the newsletter

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Speaker 1: at some point in the near future. This one I

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Speaker 1: found interesting, okay, and you know, it's something that we've

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Speaker 1: discussed here and there, but it's just interesting to me.

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Speaker 1: I love the word and it came in via Twitter. Okay,

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Speaker 1: is it done so or not Donezo Stanford as the

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Speaker 1: neighborhood bully.

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure what this means. I'm gonna be quite honest.

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Speaker 1: It's also to interpretate. So here's what I think it means. Okay,

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Speaker 1: you can tell me what it means to you, But

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Speaker 1: what it means to me is Stanford in recent years

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Speaker 1: has taken on this persona of just a team that's

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Speaker 1: going to go out there, line up opposite you and

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Speaker 1: just beat your brains in, beat your brains in. H

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Speaker 1: And you know, the neighborhood bully thing might have a

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Speaker 1: negative connotation in a college football sense. It's kind of

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Speaker 1: cool just to know that there's a super physical team

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Speaker 1: out there. But I guess the question is asking, perhaps

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Speaker 1: due to turnover, perhaps due to the fact that everyone

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Speaker 1: knows they've been the neighborhood bully, the Stanford still have

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Speaker 1: that reputation? Is it still preserved? Is it Dunzo or

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Speaker 1: not done so?

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Speaker 2: So, No, it is nowhere near Dunzo as Stanford having

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Speaker 2: that narrative of being the neighborhood bully because they keep

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Speaker 2: signing the best offensive lineman in the country. Now and

625
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Speaker 2: if your reputation is lining up as many large humans

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Speaker 2: as possible and using those large humans to obliterate the

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Speaker 2: spleens of everybody in front of them, and you keep

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Speaker 2: getting the best guys doing that, No, and I like

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Speaker 2: that they play to an identity. I love that. I

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Speaker 2: love that Stanford arguably one of the places with the

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Speaker 2: lowest floor as a program, just because of the difficulty

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Speaker 2: in getting players to Stanford that are of high quality

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Speaker 2: both on the field and in the classroom, and can

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Speaker 2: get into the school with like a three five or

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Speaker 2: a three a GPA, whatever you need as a football

636
00:34:30,040 --> 00:34:33,920
Speaker 2: player to get in, the fact that they have sustained

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Speaker 2: success Like David Shaw. If he were at any other

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Speaker 2: like if Stanford were in the SEC, and he was

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Speaker 2: sustaining this level of success, everybody would be fawning over

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Speaker 2: him year in and year out. But the fact that he's

641
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Speaker 2: in a quiet place in northern California, away from the

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00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:53,760
Speaker 2: heartbeat of college football. He just sort of lives his life,

643
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Speaker 2: plucks the best quarterbacks, plucks the best tackles, hires really

644
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Speaker 2: good assistance, and goes at winning ten games even in

645
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Speaker 2: down years like they did last year. It's incredible.

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Speaker 1: If I go back to twenty twelve Dan Stanford twelve wins,

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Speaker 1: twenty thirteen Stanford eleven wins, twenty fourteen Stanford with only

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Speaker 1: eight wins, eight lowly wins. But then I go to

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Speaker 1: twenty fifteen Stanford twelve more wins. Last year, Stanford started

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Speaker 1: off kind of looked Rocky still found a way to

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Speaker 1: get to ten wins, won their last six games. There's

652
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:32,720
Speaker 1: no way possible this team is not still the neighborhood Bully,

653
00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: not still capable. I think you're right to point out

654
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: they might have a lower floor than many other programs

655
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: out there. The fact that they're able to do what

656
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,200
Speaker 1: they've done to have this level of success, given the

657
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,920
Speaker 1: fact that it's an institution that prides itself so deeply

658
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: on its high academic standards that at other places that

659
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:56,279
Speaker 1: would definitely be a barrier. Yes, and one other one here.

660
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:58,560
Speaker 1: Actually we're not going to play the music for this one,

661
00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:02,120
Speaker 1: but you may have heard the Audible podcast.

662
00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: Yes, our pals might.

663
00:36:05,080 --> 00:36:07,480
Speaker 1: Have heard the most recent Audible podcast from our friends

664
00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:12,200
Speaker 1: Bruce Felman Stuart Mandel to common guests on the Solid Verbal,

665
00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:15,839
Speaker 1: they had some sad news that it's likely the end

666
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: of the Audible due to some strategic shifts that are

667
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:23,520
Speaker 1: going on at Fox Sports and foxsports dot Com. On

668
00:36:23,560 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: the heels of that, we receive some questions via Twitter

669
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: the email about what is what does this mean? Kind

670
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:34,600
Speaker 1: of in the context of the Dunzo not Dunzo show here,

671
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:36,680
Speaker 1: not to try and make a joke out of this

672
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 1: by any stretch, but the question is not so much

673
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:43,280
Speaker 1: Doneo or not Donzo, but where's college football journalism, where's

674
00:36:43,280 --> 00:36:47,840
Speaker 1: college football podcasting? Where is this whole sports media thing headed?

675
00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:50,319
Speaker 1: In light of some of this news, there was more

676
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:53,880
Speaker 1: news today that some other friends at other websites have

677
00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:56,000
Speaker 1: been let go. So this has been a recurring theme

678
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: over the last couple of years. Dan, you're in the

679
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: in the media business as a day job and not

680
00:37:00,840 --> 00:37:04,319
Speaker 1: so my serious day job. What's going on here?

681
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,759
Speaker 2: It's a wonderful question, Ty, Yeah, Bruce and Stu have

682
00:37:08,800 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 2: always been I mean, you're listening to the solid verbal

683
00:37:12,440 --> 00:37:15,560
Speaker 2: in no small part because Bruce and Stu early on,

684
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,640
Speaker 2: we're generous with their time and we're great on the

685
00:37:18,719 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 2: show along with people at other entities. But it's such

686
00:37:23,680 --> 00:37:26,000
Speaker 2: a bummer to see this, and we tweeted that yesterday.

687
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 2: But you know, Bruce and Stu, and you know, Stu

688
00:37:28,680 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 2: has been a mainstay of just sort of big picture

689
00:37:31,800 --> 00:37:34,319
Speaker 2: college football for years and years, both at s I

690
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,600
Speaker 2: and Fox and Bruce and breaking stories and doing sideline

691
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:42,120
Speaker 2: stuff and features and writing books. Like these are Titans

692
00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 2: and to see this happen at Fox with If you

693
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,919
Speaker 2: haven't read the piece at Awful Announcing, you should read

694
00:37:48,960 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: it and try to keep a level head because it's

695
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 2: sort of infuriating, especially if you care about you know,

696
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 2: college football or sports media or whatever, because a lot

697
00:37:57,880 --> 00:38:00,640
Speaker 2: of good people are affected, and this is something that

698
00:38:00,640 --> 00:38:02,800
Speaker 2: we all look at sort of you know, big pictures,

699
00:38:02,840 --> 00:38:05,319
Speaker 2: like a hobby of something we love. But it does

700
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,120
Speaker 2: suck to see, especially for reasons that are still not

701
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 2: super clear to me, like they just obliterated. If you

702
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 2: go to Fox sports dot com right now, and Fox

703
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:20,200
Speaker 2: sports dot com is where you got your start, yes, yeah, yeah, yeah,

704
00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:22,640
Speaker 2: way back when, back in the day. Yeah, it is

705
00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:25,839
Speaker 2: all clips of TV shows.

706
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: It's an interesting digital strategy.

707
00:38:28,160 --> 00:38:30,040
Speaker 2: Perhaps like a creative graveyard.

708
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 1: I could talk at length, perhaps not in this forum,

709
00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:37,120
Speaker 1: but in another one about the digital strategy or at

710
00:38:37,160 --> 00:38:39,839
Speaker 1: least the attempt at a digital strategy there. But as

711
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: it relates to college football.

712
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 2: And yeah and the audible and yeah, I mean this.

713
00:38:43,840 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 1: Has been a theme. There's been something that's been going on.

714
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,880
Speaker 1: A lot of good people have been have been losing

715
00:38:47,880 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 1: their jobs, and so it's probably a fair question to

716
00:38:50,560 --> 00:38:54,160
Speaker 1: ask where's it where's it all headed? There's no denying

717
00:38:54,200 --> 00:38:57,400
Speaker 1: the fact that it's a very difficult business model to solve,

718
00:38:58,640 --> 00:39:01,200
Speaker 1: very difficult business model to solve. Publishing as a whole

719
00:39:01,640 --> 00:39:03,080
Speaker 1: has definitely seen a downturn.

720
00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:06,319
Speaker 2: And when you have these places that are TV networks

721
00:39:06,400 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: and magazines and websites and they have sort of hands

722
00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:12,200
Speaker 2: and all sorts of buckets that are all sort of

723
00:39:12,280 --> 00:39:16,600
Speaker 2: coming into the same pool, it becomes very difficult to

724
00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:19,719
Speaker 2: sustain and figure out identity and where you should be going.

725
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:21,880
Speaker 2: And you have a ton of different cooks in the kitchen.

726
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:26,319
Speaker 2: And you know, we saw everything affected at ESPN a

727
00:39:26,360 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: few weeks a few months ago. You know our pals there,

728
00:39:28,880 --> 00:39:31,759
Speaker 2: you know, Brett McMurphy, Chantel Jennings, Ted Miller. These are

729
00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:35,759
Speaker 2: all people we read and love all the time. And

730
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:38,839
Speaker 2: that's not weird that phrasing, now that I listened back,

731
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 2: tie was not ideal. But Lindsay Schnelletts Sports Illustrated and

732
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,480
Speaker 2: she was doing a podcast with our palle Andy Staples.

733
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 2: We love Lindsay, We love you know our people at

734
00:39:47,360 --> 00:39:51,160
Speaker 2: SI and it's just it's a tough thing to crack,

735
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:55,640
Speaker 2: and you hate to see it. And anybody that tells

736
00:39:55,680 --> 00:39:59,279
Speaker 2: you that they know where media is going, they they

737
00:39:59,320 --> 00:40:01,759
Speaker 2: have figured it out, they have solved it. This is

738
00:40:02,320 --> 00:40:06,160
Speaker 2: how they've cracked the riddle. They're just they're just full

739
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 2: of blockbuster.

740
00:40:07,719 --> 00:40:11,279
Speaker 1: Had the media rights figured out too exactly for a

741
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:12,000
Speaker 1: period of time.

742
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:13,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, our friends at Bleacher Report.

743
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, so things are changing. I would hope that there

744
00:40:19,560 --> 00:40:24,640
Speaker 1: would be strong independent publishers that would pop up that

745
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: would value the kind of fine work these friends of

746
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: ours have done, yeah, and would offer them shelter where

747
00:40:32,000 --> 00:40:32,760
Speaker 1: they could do their work.

748
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:36,120
Speaker 2: What's interesting, And I think it was Brian who told

749
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:39,920
Speaker 2: me this this morning at work, Ryan Nanny, that you

750
00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 2: have places like Fox who are rights holders now not

751
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:47,840
Speaker 2: really writing about the sports that they like. Is the

752
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:50,760
Speaker 2: PAC twelve going to be happy that foxsports dot com

753
00:40:50,960 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 2: doesn't write about sports, that ESPN dot com is writing

754
00:40:53,719 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: a lot less about sports, the SEC happy that ESPN

755
00:40:57,080 --> 00:41:00,520
Speaker 2: dot com employees fewer college football writers even though there's

756
00:41:00,520 --> 00:41:03,320
Speaker 2: still a ton there that they're not covering the sports

757
00:41:03,320 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 2: in the same way, but yet paying all this money

758
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:08,040
Speaker 2: and it's it's not going to be a great situation,

759
00:41:08,120 --> 00:41:10,840
Speaker 2: which is why we talked earlier about the Big twelve

760
00:41:10,880 --> 00:41:15,160
Speaker 2: and chaos and media stuff. But it's rough. And anybody

761
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,080
Speaker 2: that works in this industry, anybody that has tried to

762
00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: work in this industry, knows that there are a finite

763
00:41:21,040 --> 00:41:23,720
Speaker 2: number of jobs and there are way more talented people

764
00:41:23,760 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 2: than there are jobs. Yeah, and it's tough.

765
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 1: Just again thirty thousand foot view. As digital strategy goes,

766
00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:34,360
Speaker 1: things are headed in a much more video centric direction.

767
00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:37,800
Speaker 1: There's no denying that the problem is you need videos

768
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: that people want to watch. You have to sell ads

769
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:40,960
Speaker 1: against those videos.

770
00:41:41,160 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 2: Big picture as well, people are worse off than people

771
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 2: losing jobs in sports media and that's cool. I mean

772
00:41:47,880 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 2: that's not cool, but that's you know, that's something we

773
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: also realize. But this is the medium we're in. And

774
00:41:53,800 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 2: something that I also recognize is I don't think we

775
00:41:56,239 --> 00:41:59,000
Speaker 2: ever like stew and Bruce with the Audible, Lindsay and

776
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: Andy with Campus Rush, like I don't. I never viewed

777
00:42:02,520 --> 00:42:06,759
Speaker 2: them as competition, like they're our competition is people doing

778
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: things with their time other than podcasting. Yeah.

779
00:42:09,400 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 1: I was for podcasts to be perfect exactly, So the

780
00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:13,320
Speaker 1: more the merrier.

781
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:18,200
Speaker 2: Yeah. So people that bring listeners to the medium is

782
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:21,400
Speaker 2: who we're fans of. So we're positive Bruce and Stue

783
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 2: will land in a good place where we're hopeful that

784
00:42:24,560 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 2: college football podcast, sports podcast, college sports podcast we Love

785
00:42:28,200 --> 00:42:30,840
Speaker 2: you know shut down full cast and podcasting played nobody

786
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 2: and all sorts of people in the space succeed grow.

787
00:42:34,840 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 2: It's good for everybody. It's just it's tough to see

788
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 2: for such stupid reasons. Well, for such stupid I wish.

789
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 1: I wish Bruce and Stu and many other friends who

790
00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:48,360
Speaker 1: have had to go through this all the best. Yeah,

791
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 1: it's it's tough to watch. You hate to see it,

792
00:42:51,400 --> 00:42:54,239
Speaker 1: and you don't wish on anybody and any in any

793
00:42:54,280 --> 00:42:57,480
Speaker 1: profession for sure, But yeah, you know, we wish them

794
00:42:57,480 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 1: well and hopefully we can talk to them soon. We

795
00:42:58,800 --> 00:42:59,920
Speaker 1: just talked to Bruce a couple of weeks.

796
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,879
Speaker 2: Ago, and we're not all lucky and fortunate enough like you, Tie,

797
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,200
Speaker 2: like you are, Like you've got the secret day job

798
00:43:07,400 --> 00:43:11,799
Speaker 2: pushing pro Russian propaganda for a Ukrainian consulting company. I've

799
00:43:11,800 --> 00:43:13,520
Speaker 2: seen the news. Tie, You're doing quite well.

800
00:43:13,520 --> 00:43:16,239
Speaker 1: We're all just trying to make a dime this world in.

801
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:20,799
Speaker 2: It's true, it's true and good for you, but uh yeah,

802
00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:26,360
Speaker 2: think about side hustles. Everybody think about side hustles and

803
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:31,759
Speaker 2: I'm okay, I'm okay publicizing this. I would love to

804
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:35,520
Speaker 2: rent chairs for events time. I've said this to you before.

805
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:39,759
Speaker 2: After planning a wedding, people are always going to need

806
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:44,640
Speaker 2: to sit down at various events, and Rubinstein and Rubinstein

807
00:43:44,680 --> 00:43:47,600
Speaker 2: and hilden Brandt will be thrilled to rent your chair.

808
00:43:47,760 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 1: Can we organize some sort of multi level marketing scheme

809
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:55,560
Speaker 1: whereby we're trying to be in the chair business, but

810
00:43:55,640 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: it's also something that we can do like Facebook live

811
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:00,680
Speaker 1: events around because that seems absolutely to be very hot

812
00:44:00,760 --> 00:44:02,160
Speaker 1: right now. I'm just trying to figure out a way

813
00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: to put a marry them both, you know, put a

814
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:07,000
Speaker 1: nice face on it that people actually want to do it.

815
00:44:07,120 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 2: I swear to you, Ty, I am going to be

816
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,480
Speaker 2: the chair king of California before this is all said

817
00:44:11,480 --> 00:44:12,799
Speaker 2: and done, you.

818
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,600
Speaker 1: Could be the chairman.

819
00:44:14,239 --> 00:44:16,800
Speaker 2: I'm going to be the chair man, the chair person

820
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 2: of California. But yeah, side Hustles, Tie, let's get that

821
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: business going on.

822
00:44:23,120 --> 00:44:25,640
Speaker 1: Etsy, Let's send people off on a bride or another.

823
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,120
Speaker 1: Is July okay this week?

824
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 2: Yes it is.

825
00:44:27,680 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 1: We're going to be listening to us, perhaps on the

826
00:44:31,600 --> 00:44:36,040
Speaker 1: way to a picnic. Let's talk some grilling very quickly.

827
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: You got five minutes.

828
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,400
Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't own a grill. I don't grow it

829
00:44:39,440 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 2: many times.

830
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:41,760
Speaker 1: Are you going to? Are you gonna go somewhere where

831
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 1: there is a grill?

832
00:44:43,640 --> 00:44:46,279
Speaker 2: God willing tie? I really do hope. So you own

833
00:44:46,320 --> 00:44:48,400
Speaker 2: a grill. You've been growing a lot. We've got a

834
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,120
Speaker 2: couple of questions here. Somebody asked about, like the best

835
00:44:51,120 --> 00:44:53,680
Speaker 2: electric grill. I don't have much help for that. Yeah,

836
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,480
Speaker 2: I don't, just because apartment complexes don't always allow for

837
00:44:56,560 --> 00:45:01,520
Speaker 2: charcoal or gas. Here is good question, ty, Yeah, the

838
00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 2: best sausage for grilling? Okay, tell me about your sausage loves.

839
00:45:07,320 --> 00:45:09,879
Speaker 1: Another weird phrasing, Dan, Thanks, I stand by that one.

840
00:45:09,920 --> 00:45:13,239
Speaker 1: It's what you do best, so thank you. I like

841
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,000
Speaker 1: the hot Italian turkey sausage. Yeah, hot Italian turkey sausage

842
00:45:19,440 --> 00:45:22,440
Speaker 1: grillers that you can buy. Wegman's has a fantastic variety

843
00:45:22,440 --> 00:45:24,319
Speaker 1: of these. Can you do a lot with it?

844
00:45:24,600 --> 00:45:27,640
Speaker 2: Hot Italian sausage, whether you like pork or turkey or

845
00:45:27,719 --> 00:45:30,279
Speaker 2: chicken or whatever, is always good. Best sausage I've ever

846
00:45:30,320 --> 00:45:32,600
Speaker 2: had in my life. I think was beef sausage and

847
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:36,640
Speaker 2: Texas like Jlapeno beef sausage. If you can get a

848
00:45:36,640 --> 00:45:41,120
Speaker 2: hold of that, like Texas style barbecue sausage, that is outstanding.

849
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:44,360
Speaker 2: Maybe some hot mustard, some grilled peppers and onions, that's cats.

850
00:45:44,840 --> 00:45:46,560
Speaker 1: There is spicy mustard by the way, and we've talked

851
00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: about on the show. Oh.

852
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:48,360
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

853
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: That was something that I discovered only a summer or

854
00:45:51,880 --> 00:45:54,680
Speaker 1: two ago while eating a sausage sandwich, and it changed

855
00:45:54,680 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: my life.

856
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: I would say, if you want to grow Mexican, I

857
00:45:58,680 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 2: would look up roy I c h o I roy

858
00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 2: CHOI carne asada and his marinate with like roasted tomatoes

859
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: and cilantro. It's a little bit Asian, it's a little

860
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 2: bit Mexican. It's the best marinade that exists, the recipe

861
00:46:09,960 --> 00:46:14,200
Speaker 2: for that. My final thought is this ty because people

862
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,759
Speaker 2: are going to keep it basic and straightforward and for

863
00:46:16,840 --> 00:46:19,120
Speaker 2: good reason on July fourth, and they're gonna make burgers

864
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:22,640
Speaker 2: and dogs. This is my big tip, big tip. Actually

865
00:46:22,680 --> 00:46:24,040
Speaker 2: I have a double tip for burgers.

866
00:46:24,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: Double tip.

867
00:46:24,719 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 2: Okay, one American cheese. Don't I don't care for your jack,

868
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:32,839
Speaker 2: I don't care for your cheddar. Wow, I don't care

869
00:46:32,880 --> 00:46:37,560
Speaker 2: for your Swiss. Those are all fine cheeses. Hot for burgers, Yeah,

870
00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:41,920
Speaker 2: for burgers. I'm an American cheese man. It gets gooey,

871
00:46:42,239 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: it's it's just the top of the top for me.

872
00:46:44,920 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 2: That's my opinion. I would recommend it. Everybody's probably had

873
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:52,280
Speaker 2: that by now. Number two though, is get a recipe

874
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:57,239
Speaker 2: and scan recipes online for burger sauces like variants of

875
00:46:57,320 --> 00:47:00,760
Speaker 2: Thousand Island kind of thing. You're mixing may and ketchup

876
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:02,680
Speaker 2: or serrachia and a little bit of lemon juice and

877
00:47:02,719 --> 00:47:06,000
Speaker 2: some seasoning, maybe some finely dice pickles in there.

878
00:47:06,160 --> 00:47:07,920
Speaker 1: Maybe some guy fiery donkey sauce.

879
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 2: Right, don't do that. Don't do that. No, I think

880
00:47:10,040 --> 00:47:11,640
Speaker 2: it's just al. I think that's just like a male

881
00:47:11,960 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 2: but maybe a middle mustard in there. You mix all

882
00:47:15,719 --> 00:47:18,240
Speaker 2: those together, slather them on both sides of the bun.

883
00:47:19,000 --> 00:47:21,719
Speaker 2: It's I it boggles my mind why people aren't making

884
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:26,840
Speaker 2: burger sauces for their burgers. It brings everything out, creamy, salty, whatever, tangy,

885
00:47:27,320 --> 00:47:28,879
Speaker 2: A little bit of a dobo sauce if you want

886
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:30,239
Speaker 2: in there from can chipotles.

887
00:47:30,400 --> 00:47:33,440
Speaker 1: Okay up, yes, no idea what that is. But it

888
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,240
Speaker 1: sounds delightful.

889
00:47:34,560 --> 00:47:38,240
Speaker 2: Can chipotles so like canned Mexican pepper is the sauce

890
00:47:38,239 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: therein is called in a dobo.

891
00:47:40,040 --> 00:47:45,880
Speaker 1: I knew that Adobe made a dobo and that it

892
00:47:45,960 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 1: used to be a form of a house that American

893
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 1: Indians built, but I was not aware of the sauce.

894
00:47:51,680 --> 00:47:54,280
Speaker 2: Sure, it's like it's a mix of just like tomato

895
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:56,120
Speaker 2: sauce and vinegar and garlic and stuff like that. But

896
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:59,080
Speaker 2: it takes the heat of the chipotle is very nice. Interesting, Yeah, interesting?

897
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 2: Is that is my recommendation roy CHOI for a carne

898
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:05,640
Speaker 2: asada marinade, and then look up husk sauce husk like

899
00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 2: the restaurant in Charleston and Nashville for a burger sauce.

900
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 2: Those are my big recommendations in American cheese.

901
00:48:11,760 --> 00:48:15,160
Speaker 1: If I said, Dan, now talk for twenty straight minutes

902
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,000
Speaker 1: about this, you could. You could do it without any

903
00:48:17,000 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: assistance from me whatsoever.

904
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 2: I would start talking about shred your iceberg lettuce as

905
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:22,920
Speaker 2: finely as possible.

906
00:48:23,040 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: And I don't mean that in a derogatory way. It's

907
00:48:25,160 --> 00:48:26,239
Speaker 1: a scout, absolutely not.

908
00:48:26,280 --> 00:48:28,319
Speaker 2: It comes to food, you want to butter up your

909
00:48:28,360 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 2: buns and throw them on the grill for a few seconds.

910
00:48:30,160 --> 00:48:33,520
Speaker 2: Who doesn't I think that's a great idea. I'm also

911
00:48:33,560 --> 00:48:35,480
Speaker 2: going to throw this in TI, because you got me

912
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 2: all worked up. Okay, eighty twenty is your ideal ratio

913
00:48:39,520 --> 00:48:43,359
Speaker 2: for beef. Get some fat in there, Okay. You want

914
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,040
Speaker 2: to get some flavor, you want to get some crust,

915
00:48:45,040 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: you want to get some oozing. Eighty twenty is the ratio,

916
00:48:48,600 --> 00:48:51,400
Speaker 2: all right, don't settle for anything leanter Come.

917
00:48:51,239 --> 00:48:53,800
Speaker 1: On, speaking of beef, we'll close out with this, okay.

918
00:48:54,360 --> 00:48:57,279
Speaker 1: I have eight ounce file at grilling instructions for anyone

919
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:58,239
Speaker 1: who might be interested.

920
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:01,720
Speaker 2: You're preferred cut of steak?

921
00:49:02,000 --> 00:49:04,040
Speaker 1: I like a good filet. Yeah. I don't like a

922
00:49:04,040 --> 00:49:07,279
Speaker 1: lot of gristle on my steak. Okay, some people like that.

923
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:11,920
Speaker 1: I just I prefer the clean eating of the filet.

924
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,400
Speaker 2: Oh, that's fine, Okay. I don't like steak enough to

925
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:18,400
Speaker 2: have strong steak thoughts. I like rabbis, but you know,

926
00:49:18,600 --> 00:49:20,640
Speaker 2: I've had good cuts of steak of all kinds.

927
00:49:20,719 --> 00:49:23,160
Speaker 1: I'm not like a pure carnivore, you know. I don't

928
00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:25,759
Speaker 1: need a steak a week or anything, but like a

929
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,520
Speaker 1: good steak every now and again. And as someone who

930
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:32,720
Speaker 1: is a new grill owner. I've taken it very seriously.

931
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:33,480
Speaker 1: How to cook a steak?

932
00:49:33,520 --> 00:49:34,879
Speaker 2: What's your basic methodology?

933
00:49:35,640 --> 00:49:37,360
Speaker 1: So let me tell you how I got this. Okay,

934
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 1: it's not like a family recipe or anything like that,

935
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 1: but I quite literally stood behind and took copious notes

936
00:49:45,360 --> 00:49:47,439
Speaker 1: as my father in law cooked one of the best

937
00:49:47,440 --> 00:49:51,000
Speaker 1: steaks I've ever had in my life. H eight ounce

938
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,200
Speaker 1: steak grilling instructions. Here's how he does it, all right.

939
00:49:54,600 --> 00:49:56,360
Speaker 1: He might get angry if he finds out that I

940
00:49:56,400 --> 00:50:00,759
Speaker 1: told the world this, but there's not any real secret here, right.

941
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:02,720
Speaker 1: The secret is a seer burner.

942
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:06,400
Speaker 2: Okay, I don't even know what a seer burner.

943
00:50:06,760 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: Burner is, just a burner that gets real hot on

944
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 1: the grill. Oh okay, yeah, you can see her using

945
00:50:11,400 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: any any number of different ways, but of course, yeah,

946
00:50:14,520 --> 00:50:17,440
Speaker 1: he does a one minute sere on one side, then

947
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:19,440
Speaker 1: he flips it over, does another one minute here on

948
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,320
Speaker 1: the other, and he turns the seer burner off, moves

949
00:50:23,440 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: the stake to another burner that's going it like high

950
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: or medium high.

951
00:50:28,480 --> 00:50:31,040
Speaker 2: Okay, usually high, so direct heat.

952
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:34,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, direct heat. Leaves that on for seven minutes, flips

953
00:50:34,040 --> 00:50:38,120
Speaker 1: it over again, cooks it for another four and then

954
00:50:38,160 --> 00:50:39,680
Speaker 1: pulls it off. Then you gotta let it set for

955
00:50:39,680 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: a little bit. You have to, you know, like ten minutes.

956
00:50:43,840 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: Maybe I'll continue to let it cook. I'd be curious

957
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:48,799
Speaker 1: to hear from other folks how they cook an eight

958
00:50:48,800 --> 00:50:52,000
Speaker 1: ounce full a but that's the reverse. Yeah, that's been

959
00:50:52,040 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: my methodology in the past, and certainly as we now

960
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:58,320
Speaker 1: get into college football and tailgating season.

961
00:50:58,840 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: Yeah.

962
00:50:59,200 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: My hunch is that's someone will take exception to what

963
00:51:01,239 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 1: I just described.

964
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: But be curious to ask you this more opinion. May

965
00:51:05,360 --> 00:51:08,959
Speaker 2: I ask you this? It gets cold in eastern pa

966
00:51:09,280 --> 00:51:11,400
Speaker 2: very the winter times, so much so that you probably

967
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:12,520
Speaker 2: don't want to be outside growing.

968
00:51:12,800 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: No, but I've done it. I've done it at Christmas time.

969
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:19,120
Speaker 2: Will you mess around with like a cast iron skillet?

970
00:51:19,880 --> 00:51:21,080
Speaker 2: Because I think you should. They're one.

971
00:51:21,120 --> 00:51:22,200
Speaker 1: I would, I would consider it.

972
00:51:22,640 --> 00:51:24,400
Speaker 2: I'm open you should get yourself one.

973
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:26,080
Speaker 1: I'll be open to it. Yeah.

974
00:51:26,560 --> 00:51:28,799
Speaker 2: Okay, that's all I'm checking on. That's all I'm checking on.

975
00:51:30,080 --> 00:51:33,399
Speaker 1: Okay, uh Donzo not Donezo? Another one in the books.

976
00:51:33,280 --> 00:51:34,759
Speaker 2: Another one of the books. What do we have coming

977
00:51:34,840 --> 00:51:35,800
Speaker 2: up in the coming weeks?

978
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: So again, sign up for the newsletter. Signer for the

979
00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:40,879
Speaker 1: newsletter because we'll keep you posted on the live show,

980
00:51:40,880 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: which you and I got to figure out.

981
00:51:43,120 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 2: Uh.

982
00:51:44,640 --> 00:51:47,600
Speaker 1: Also, we've got T shirts I think coming out in

983
00:51:47,640 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: the next I don't know, a couple of weeks or so,

984
00:51:50,400 --> 00:51:54,399
Speaker 1: mm hmm. Some other news we'll see beyond that, though,

985
00:51:54,400 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: we've got a recruiting show that we're working on. Yep,

986
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,399
Speaker 1: kind of in the same vein as the se how

987
00:52:00,520 --> 00:52:03,480
Speaker 1: college football coaches get hired. A little bit of different

988
00:52:03,480 --> 00:52:05,200
Speaker 1: style for us, but the first one went over, Well,

989
00:52:05,239 --> 00:52:07,920
Speaker 1: we're gonna do it again. We've also got a super

990
00:52:08,160 --> 00:52:11,880
Speaker 1: secret show coming with Bill Barnwell later on in July.

991
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:15,000
Speaker 1: This is true, followed a few days later by the

992
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:18,160
Speaker 1: History of the Solid Verbal Show. It's gonna be our height,

993
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,959
Speaker 1: our tenth season now doing the podcast. Yeah, we're gonna

994
00:52:22,000 --> 00:52:24,359
Speaker 1: walk you through what's going on over the last ten

995
00:52:24,440 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: years to kind of get us to this point where

996
00:52:26,080 --> 00:52:27,200
Speaker 1: we're doing a ten year special.

997
00:52:28,120 --> 00:52:30,400
Speaker 2: It will be the height. I can't promise it across

998
00:52:30,400 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 2: all podcasting or even college football podcasting, but it will

999
00:52:33,520 --> 00:52:37,200
Speaker 2: be the height of Solid Verbal naval gazing. I cannot wait.

1000
00:52:37,719 --> 00:52:40,319
Speaker 1: We will be doing that show in the presence of

1001
00:52:40,320 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 1: one another too. As we will with Bill Barbell. We're

1002
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: gonna be doing that one live, not live live, but

1003
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: will actually be in the same in person in person

1004
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:51,960
Speaker 1: thank you. And then after that, Dan, then then we're

1005
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:56,080
Speaker 1: starting to starting to go pedal the metal once we

1006
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: get into August and we're going to do our team

1007
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,439
Speaker 1: previews and then at the end of August we're talking

1008
00:52:59,480 --> 00:53:02,839
Speaker 1: games ready. So it's gonna happen pretty quick now over

1009
00:53:02,880 --> 00:53:06,680
Speaker 1: the next couple weeks, a matter of days really until

1010
00:53:06,719 --> 00:53:09,840
Speaker 1: the season begins, under sixty days I think until the

1011
00:53:09,840 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 1: season actually starts up.

1012
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:12,360
Speaker 2: So it's beautiful.

1013
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,799
Speaker 1: Stay tuned here, Stay tuned to Soliverbal dot com. We're

1014
00:53:14,800 --> 00:53:16,680
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1015
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1016
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Speaker 1: as well. So a lot of cool stuff going on.

1017
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1018
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1019
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,600
Speaker 2: Dan, it's all I got ty, It's all I got.

1020
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:33,120
Speaker 2: Shout out to our brothers at the.

1021
00:53:33,120 --> 00:53:36,480
Speaker 1: Audible Yes okay, and happy Fourth of July to everyone

1022
00:53:36,480 --> 00:53:38,880
Speaker 1: out there if you are listening on the way to

1023
00:53:39,200 --> 00:53:42,759
Speaker 1: or from a picnic or lord knows wherever else enjoy

1024
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 1: your holiday, stay safe. We'll be back next week for

1025
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: that go over there, Dan Rubenstein for myself, Ty Hildebrand,

1026
00:53:48,520 --> 00:54:00,440
Speaker 1: thanks against tuning up take care, stay so hey.