1 00:00:05,200 --> 00:00:07,720 Speaker 1: Hey, this is Annie and Samantha and welcome to Steph. 2 00:00:07,760 --> 00:00:18,759 Speaker 1: I never told your prediction off I heart radio, and 3 00:00:19,000 --> 00:00:23,439 Speaker 1: welcome and y'all. It's been a long road, uh for me, 4 00:00:23,640 --> 00:00:26,560 Speaker 1: specifically during this pandemic, and one of the things that 5 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: we've been doing, and I say we collectively because I 6 00:00:28,880 --> 00:00:31,320 Speaker 1: feel like most of you have been on a journey 7 00:00:31,400 --> 00:00:35,040 Speaker 1: with me and trying to find interesting hobbies for Samantha. 8 00:00:35,680 --> 00:00:38,640 Speaker 1: I will say I have failed in several things, including 9 00:00:38,680 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 1: tarot cards and knitting, which I have been able to 10 00:00:43,520 --> 00:00:47,960 Speaker 1: knit a square, small square. That's that's still something. I 11 00:00:47,960 --> 00:00:50,000 Speaker 1: wouldn't say you failed. I would say they just didn't 12 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:51,920 Speaker 1: take Maybe they weren't for you. I do like it. 13 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:53,159 Speaker 1: I want to pick it back up, but I just 14 00:00:53,200 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 1: got very distracted and I'm like, okay, next. Uh there's 15 00:00:56,760 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: some like, yeah, this is where I might have some 16 00:00:59,120 --> 00:01:02,160 Speaker 1: newer divergent tendencies that it's just a little different. This 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 1: is one of those moments. But on this road, I'm 18 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:12,119 Speaker 1: still continuing with the help find Samantha some new hobbies track. 19 00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: I guess we can say um, because I've got questions. 20 00:01:16,000 --> 00:01:18,160 Speaker 1: I've got lots of questions, and it has led me 21 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,920 Speaker 1: to this Monday mini in which we are going to 22 00:01:20,959 --> 00:01:25,360 Speaker 1: explore you and I Annie. But before we start, I 23 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: need to ask because we're going to talk about the 24 00:01:27,360 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: world of phone games, which I've figured out and I 25 00:01:29,520 --> 00:01:31,960 Speaker 1: think you've talked about many times, and I've learned as 26 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:35,000 Speaker 1: of now, like it's one of the largest portion of 27 00:01:35,040 --> 00:01:38,679 Speaker 1: gaming is through the phone. They're a billion dollar industry. 28 00:01:39,120 --> 00:01:40,600 Speaker 1: We need to get out a good game. Someone help 29 00:01:40,680 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: us develop this minty game. We need to do this. 30 00:01:42,880 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: We already have to choose your own adventure idea where 31 00:01:45,640 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 1: you per feminist and you just get screwed over completely, 32 00:01:49,600 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 1: because that's how that goes. But yeah, so learning that 33 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,120 Speaker 1: this has become a huge industry for me, that makes 34 00:01:58,120 --> 00:02:00,680 Speaker 1: me feel a little validated and that I'm not the 35 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:05,080 Speaker 1: only one obsessed with playing phone games. However, and before 36 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:07,720 Speaker 1: we go into there, what's happening in your gaming world? 37 00:02:08,200 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: Oh my, Well, as you know, I recently beat the 38 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: last of us to bug in. I think this is 39 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:19,040 Speaker 1: the tenth time. So I should get I should get something. 40 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: We should a badge. Please get me a badge. That 41 00:02:23,400 --> 00:02:27,400 Speaker 1: would be fantastic, I love, because I'm already picturing the 42 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:29,519 Speaker 1: ridiculous thing you're going to design and I love it. 43 00:02:29,560 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 1: But I got this okay. I was playing with my 44 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,840 Speaker 1: little brother who had never played it before, and I 45 00:02:34,840 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: feel like I could really make a career on the 46 00:02:37,480 --> 00:02:41,079 Speaker 1: last of us to play throughs one some but to 47 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:45,440 Speaker 1: definitely so I beat that. Um More tears were had. 48 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:50,160 Speaker 1: Now I'm in because you know, I was hesitant to 49 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:52,480 Speaker 1: start a new game while I was in this play 50 00:02:52,480 --> 00:02:54,680 Speaker 1: through with my little brother because I didn't want my 51 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:58,480 Speaker 1: control brain to get mixed up by playing another game 52 00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,639 Speaker 1: and pretty good at the way supposed to and I 53 00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: don't want to lose that reputation. Um So now I'm like, 54 00:03:05,520 --> 00:03:08,640 Speaker 1: I'm in a process of letting go. Am I gonna 55 00:03:08,720 --> 00:03:11,600 Speaker 1: let go and play a different game because I have 56 00:03:11,639 --> 00:03:13,160 Speaker 1: a lot of build up I want to play. There's 57 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:14,960 Speaker 1: a bunch of Star Wars games I've never played that 58 00:03:15,120 --> 00:03:17,960 Speaker 1: I have. There's a Resident Evil game I've been trying 59 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 1: to play for a long time, so I think I'm 60 00:03:21,800 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: on a precipice. Who knows what I'll do. Um, Me 61 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: and my little brother are going to start. He hadn't 62 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:29,120 Speaker 1: played the first one, so we're gonna go back and 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:32,000 Speaker 1: play the first one so that that will be interesting 64 00:03:32,040 --> 00:03:35,800 Speaker 1: because the controls are just slightly different. And I don't 65 00:03:35,800 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: know if you saw it. There's a lot of news 66 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:40,280 Speaker 1: and argument happening about the Last of Us. The first 67 00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:44,960 Speaker 1: one is releasing a remastered version, so I'm I'm hoping. 68 00:03:45,880 --> 00:03:47,760 Speaker 1: I don't think it comes out soon, but if it did, 69 00:03:47,800 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 1: that'd be good timing because then I have a reason 70 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: to play it a game from there. Perfect time, perfect timing. 71 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:59,240 Speaker 1: Lots of Mario Party has been had, as you know, yes, 72 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,160 Speaker 1: and uh, lots of D and D Dungeons and Dragons 73 00:04:05,720 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: kind of taking a quick hiatus, but a lot of 74 00:04:08,120 --> 00:04:12,240 Speaker 1: you know, things have gone down in our campaign. Character 75 00:04:13,200 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 1: there were puppets. There were puppets, and they apparently needed 76 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:20,000 Speaker 1: to express themselves through those puppets. A lot of deep 77 00:04:20,040 --> 00:04:25,040 Speaker 1: moments happened. Well, they are very handy for therapy, so 78 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:28,120 Speaker 1: maybe a whole different level. You've just made your D 79 00:04:28,200 --> 00:04:31,360 Speaker 1: and D into a therapy session. Congratulations. It did kind 80 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,640 Speaker 1: of feel like that, actually, but it was good in 81 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,120 Speaker 1: like the best way. I love it. I love it. 82 00:04:36,560 --> 00:04:38,719 Speaker 1: I still want to come around so I can do 83 00:04:38,960 --> 00:04:45,680 Speaker 1: a whole commentating like sports narrating for you guys. Oh, 84 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,760 Speaker 1: I think it'd be great. I think it would be fantastic. 85 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 1: I'm ready. I'm ready. Let's bring me in, coach, bring 86 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:55,960 Speaker 1: me in, as we say, maybe by other hobby, let's 87 00:04:55,960 --> 00:05:00,760 Speaker 1: try that was a hobby, just the entire that's my thing. 88 00:05:00,880 --> 00:05:02,839 Speaker 1: That sounds about. That sounds about that would be right 89 00:05:02,920 --> 00:05:06,000 Speaker 1: up my alley, to be honest. Yeah, but yeah, So 90 00:05:06,040 --> 00:05:08,159 Speaker 1: you and I have been talking about a lot of 91 00:05:08,200 --> 00:05:10,240 Speaker 1: gaming stuff because I am a part of the Mario 92 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,120 Speaker 1: Party world, and we have discovered I am really bad 93 00:05:13,360 --> 00:05:17,640 Speaker 1: at control games and races. I'm bad, like there's no 94 00:05:17,760 --> 00:05:20,120 Speaker 1: denying it. I'm the one that constantly falls off at 95 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: things and takes an me forever. The light silly things 96 00:05:24,240 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: kind of like puzzle ish. I'm a little better at, 97 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: but I would not say I thrive. Like there's a 98 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,600 Speaker 1: game in the Mario Party where you're jumping on leaves 99 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,239 Speaker 1: to go up. Never never won that, always last place, 100 00:05:36,480 --> 00:05:39,599 Speaker 1: the little um when you go to the target to 101 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: go through all the bananas to get to the one center. 102 00:05:42,600 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: Never made first place in that. I can't stand those, 103 00:05:47,920 --> 00:05:50,039 Speaker 1: the ones where you're like on a small path or 104 00:05:50,080 --> 00:05:52,919 Speaker 1: you fall off into the water. Never ever have I 105 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: made it. Well, you're better at me than that flipping steak, 106 00:05:57,000 --> 00:05:59,479 Speaker 1: the flipping steak one. I'm okay, but you've beaten me. 107 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:03,320 Speaker 1: I'm the felt very upset about that. Getting the candy 108 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:05,480 Speaker 1: out of the jar. I was okay, then you were 109 00:06:05,480 --> 00:06:07,359 Speaker 1: better than me that I was like, okay, I'm upset 110 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: about this as well. I have kicked y'all's ass on 111 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: the little tricycle race, just like I have one every 112 00:06:15,520 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: time on that. I will say that I don't know 113 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,760 Speaker 1: if it's a small motion. I think they're good with that. 114 00:06:21,839 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: I love for anyone who's never played Mario Party or 115 00:06:24,279 --> 00:06:26,720 Speaker 1: it's like very casual player and you're like, what are 116 00:06:26,760 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: we talking? There's so many mini games in this thing. 117 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:33,440 Speaker 1: But anyway, we have discovered I'm not great, Like I 118 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,279 Speaker 1: really wish it was just the thing that I'm like, 119 00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:36,960 Speaker 1: I don't like it. No, I'm just not good at it. 120 00:06:37,000 --> 00:06:38,599 Speaker 1: So I don't like it because of that, But I 121 00:06:38,680 --> 00:06:43,880 Speaker 1: still participate. I still participate. Do I like yell at people? Yes? 122 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,600 Speaker 1: Doesn't make me angry that I lose all the time. Also, yes, 123 00:06:46,880 --> 00:06:49,839 Speaker 1: but that's okay. That's okay because I have found my 124 00:06:49,960 --> 00:06:53,039 Speaker 1: love for the phone games, which you know we've talked about. 125 00:06:53,279 --> 00:06:55,960 Speaker 1: I am a gamer by playing through these phone games, 126 00:06:56,000 --> 00:06:58,919 Speaker 1: which is now one of the biggest forms of gaming. 127 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,400 Speaker 1: Um that has outstripped many other types. As well as 128 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:06,080 Speaker 1: the fact that yes, there's a multibillion dollar process. It 129 00:07:06,279 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: is grown leaps and bounds. Uh. There are thousands and 130 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: thousands of games out there that you can choose from, 131 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:17,000 Speaker 1: and some of them are problematic, as we've also discovered. 132 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: But before we get into all of those issues, yeah, 133 00:07:21,240 --> 00:07:25,800 Speaker 1: I confession time got sucked into a world of sort 134 00:07:25,840 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: of of just choose your own adventure story phone games 135 00:07:29,840 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 1: or narrative games, narrative mobile games, which I've just again 136 00:07:34,360 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: really kind of gotten into in the last week because 137 00:07:37,080 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: I was like, what is this. There's a variety of 138 00:07:40,200 --> 00:07:43,600 Speaker 1: stories and yes I actually ventured towards the spicy content 139 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:47,280 Speaker 1: rhet row um, but there is like, uh, there are 140 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:53,240 Speaker 1: stories on romance, adventure, so many other things that I'm like, Okay, cool, 141 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:56,120 Speaker 1: cool cool um. And of course, as a person who 142 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: now looks at everything with a bit of a feminist lens, 143 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: thank you to our jobs, I noticed the language and 144 00:08:03,480 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: the characters of the game seem to be more from 145 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,160 Speaker 1: a feminist lens or female gaze. In a lot of 146 00:08:10,200 --> 00:08:13,560 Speaker 1: this conversation. But I want to add a caveat to this. 147 00:08:14,080 --> 00:08:19,360 Speaker 1: It has problems, Like everything else, slowly changing, society is changing, 148 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: the conversations are constantly changing or reverting. You never know 149 00:08:23,080 --> 00:08:27,080 Speaker 1: the demands and inclusivity is still trailing behind with some 150 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: of these games, um with what many players have asked for. 151 00:08:30,720 --> 00:08:34,679 Speaker 1: But there are games like Choices this is the name 152 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 1: of the game Choices Stories you Play, which was launched 153 00:08:38,080 --> 00:08:42,000 Speaker 1: in seems like they may be trying. And I'm going 154 00:08:42,040 --> 00:08:43,800 Speaker 1: to put that again, and with the caveat of like, 155 00:08:43,840 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: I'm just now researching this and whoa, there's a fandom, 156 00:08:48,280 --> 00:08:51,559 Speaker 1: and there is a fandom that I did not understand. 157 00:08:52,400 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 1: I also want to lay y'all know. Yes, I was 158 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,240 Speaker 1: playing another game that you have to watch ads in 159 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:01,360 Speaker 1: order to get more lives or point or whatever advantage. 160 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,880 Speaker 1: And it was through this that I repeatedly, repeatedly saw 161 00:09:05,360 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 1: this ad and I was like, what is this? Okay, 162 00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:11,959 Speaker 1: that's it. Let me download and just for three minutes. 163 00:09:12,920 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 1: Check wow, check out what is happening. They got an 164 00:09:16,480 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 1: they got you. I feel like this is how you 165 00:09:18,000 --> 00:09:42,600 Speaker 1: got on the last good the one that I went 166 00:09:42,640 --> 00:09:47,160 Speaker 1: into was Choices against Stories. You play um and it 167 00:09:47,360 --> 00:09:50,839 Speaker 1: is by the team Pixelbury, who apparently have been around 168 00:09:50,840 --> 00:09:53,560 Speaker 1: for a decade. They've been doing story ish type of things. 169 00:09:53,559 --> 00:09:57,839 Speaker 1: I think they first had episodic games, uh called Surviving 170 00:09:57,920 --> 00:10:00,439 Speaker 1: High School and Cause of Death, and then they kind 171 00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:05,600 Speaker 1: of expanded into this which has games like High School Story, Hollywood, 172 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:10,480 Speaker 1: you know, all these additional stories in here um and 173 00:10:10,520 --> 00:10:12,480 Speaker 1: their mission because I needed to go to their site 174 00:10:12,520 --> 00:10:15,360 Speaker 1: to see what this is about is bringing meaningful and 175 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:19,680 Speaker 1: positive game experiences to our millions of players around the world, 176 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:22,800 Speaker 1: and they do. They have tons of players, to the 177 00:10:22,880 --> 00:10:28,320 Speaker 1: fact they have Reddit boards dedicated to these these characters 178 00:10:28,320 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: and to these stories. Um, and I was like what 179 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: There even was an article and vice in which when 180 00:10:35,800 --> 00:10:38,720 Speaker 1: the author talks about how they had gone through a 181 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:41,719 Speaker 1: pretty serious medical condition and while going through it, they 182 00:10:41,760 --> 00:10:44,360 Speaker 1: picked up they were already playing, I believe, but they 183 00:10:44,559 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 1: even they played even more so on this specific app 184 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:51,320 Speaker 1: trying to be anything but what they were going through. 185 00:10:51,400 --> 00:10:54,440 Speaker 1: So literally they were talking about how they used this 186 00:10:54,640 --> 00:10:57,960 Speaker 1: as an escape during this time and also trying to 187 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,319 Speaker 1: like having this identity crisis of like using those characters 188 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: as a way to reflect on themselves, which is a 189 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: question because you haven't done it yet, correct, I have not, 190 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:14,960 Speaker 1: but when you were telling me about it, I was 191 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:18,040 Speaker 1: very interested. So we're gonna talk about that. But that 192 00:11:18,240 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: you can you can name them after yourself, you can 193 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: name how who they are, and you can have this 194 00:11:24,320 --> 00:11:27,720 Speaker 1: character m c's or the main characters. But they shortened 195 00:11:27,760 --> 00:11:30,680 Speaker 1: it to m z's um to reflect them, so that 196 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 1: they could do this adventure as if it's them, and 197 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:35,240 Speaker 1: it is the way they They write it as you 198 00:11:35,280 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: are doing this, and you are doing this, but you 199 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: you're not really cognizant that it's saying that way. You 200 00:11:40,120 --> 00:11:42,560 Speaker 1: just picture it as, yes, I am doing this, you 201 00:11:42,600 --> 00:11:46,360 Speaker 1: are correct. But and so I was very interested in like, okay, 202 00:11:46,400 --> 00:11:50,640 Speaker 1: it has a fandom and it is grown um And 203 00:11:50,679 --> 00:11:55,440 Speaker 1: well I will say also about the ads. Of course 204 00:11:55,640 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 1: they were different than what I expected or what it 205 00:11:58,400 --> 00:12:03,079 Speaker 1: seemed to be advertising to me, but again still it 206 00:12:03,080 --> 00:12:06,600 Speaker 1: hooked me. It got me, you got you got me 207 00:12:06,679 --> 00:12:10,400 Speaker 1: okay um. And again, like I said, there was a 208 00:12:10,440 --> 00:12:14,240 Speaker 1: pretty big following. But with this original content, there was 209 00:12:14,280 --> 00:12:16,640 Speaker 1: a lot of issues that people were complained about, and 210 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,959 Speaker 1: rightly so. So one of the things that I discovered 211 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 1: I was specifically reading about this one app because there's 212 00:12:23,559 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: so many others. There's so many. I think that chapters 213 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,040 Speaker 1: is one of them. There's a thing where it's like, 214 00:12:29,040 --> 00:12:31,000 Speaker 1: I'm not I've not played these, these are just the 215 00:12:31,120 --> 00:12:34,559 Speaker 1: ads I've seen since. Then's like me chat and apparently 216 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:37,040 Speaker 1: you're supposed to be like chatting as if like a 217 00:12:38,720 --> 00:12:40,240 Speaker 1: I don't know, I think it's supposed to be. It's 218 00:12:40,240 --> 00:12:44,439 Speaker 1: supposed to mimic as if you're actually chatting with a 219 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: person from a website. I know that's what it shows. Again, 220 00:12:48,360 --> 00:12:51,000 Speaker 1: the ads are always misleading to me. They always lie 221 00:12:51,040 --> 00:12:56,360 Speaker 1: a little bit, it seems whatever. Um But one of 222 00:12:56,400 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: the things that I found specifically with this gaming um 223 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,600 Speaker 1: app is that there is a petition that happened in 224 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:08,240 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. I think that call out for quote radical 225 00:13:08,400 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: change because there are so many problems within YEPP and 226 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:16,240 Speaker 1: so I'm going to read just a little bit of it. 227 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:18,240 Speaker 1: So again, some of these things that I'm mentioning are 228 00:13:18,280 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: the books or the stories in there, or that used 229 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:23,400 Speaker 1: to be there. You canceled across the world what could 230 00:13:23,440 --> 00:13:25,480 Speaker 1: have been a series became a royal screw up. You 231 00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:29,720 Speaker 1: also canceled the Highst Monaco, whose name clearly indicated plans 232 00:13:29,760 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: for more books if it was successful. Even though it 233 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,720 Speaker 1: was well received. You even you even screwed up the 234 00:13:34,760 --> 00:13:38,320 Speaker 1: elementalist by turning an adventure focused series into a Beckett 235 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,920 Speaker 1: romance book for one single interest money. And now you 236 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: canceled night Bound after making its cover a romance nonsense, 237 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,360 Speaker 1: once again showing pure devotion to what seems to be 238 00:13:48,400 --> 00:13:52,079 Speaker 1: your new statement destroying yourself. What about And they talked 239 00:13:52,120 --> 00:13:54,600 Speaker 1: about all these other books, um, and they can't go 240 00:13:54,640 --> 00:13:58,040 Speaker 1: on again, he says, which, funnily enough, are all gender 241 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:00,880 Speaker 1: locked books. So when they're talking about underlocked, it means 242 00:14:00,920 --> 00:14:03,520 Speaker 1: that you can only play one specific gender. So if 243 00:14:03,520 --> 00:14:05,400 Speaker 1: it's intended for a woman, you can only play a woman, 244 00:14:05,440 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: you can't. You couldn't choose. At that point in time, 245 00:14:07,800 --> 00:14:10,960 Speaker 1: that they on once again renouncing on your diversity, which 246 00:14:11,040 --> 00:14:14,880 Speaker 1: is something that they play into. So they the petition people, 247 00:14:14,960 --> 00:14:17,240 Speaker 1: the people who have created this petition were absolutely correct. 248 00:14:17,400 --> 00:14:19,400 Speaker 1: This is what something they seem to say they want 249 00:14:19,440 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: to do. It seemed nineteen, it wasn't happening, and that's 250 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:26,560 Speaker 1: what you produced yourself to, uh knowing saying that they 251 00:14:26,600 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 1: are no longer about diversity, so they are asking please 252 00:14:30,640 --> 00:14:33,000 Speaker 1: change this, please make it better. So I thought that 253 00:14:33,040 --> 00:14:35,800 Speaker 1: was really interesting because I was like, well, they are serious. 254 00:14:36,320 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 1: And as I was reading some of the reddit clips, 255 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:42,480 Speaker 1: and they were talking about the following problems, including, um, 256 00:14:43,040 --> 00:14:45,200 Speaker 1: that it was gender locked, that the unit you had 257 00:14:45,200 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: no choice of what gender you could play. Um that 258 00:14:49,000 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: the love interests or the l ies were also gender 259 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:54,520 Speaker 1: locked and therefore you had no choice. Uh if you 260 00:14:54,560 --> 00:14:57,160 Speaker 1: were in the LGBTQ community, that you couldn't do it. 261 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: That there was only three races or ethnicities that were 262 00:15:01,240 --> 00:15:05,320 Speaker 1: being allowed and that was Hispanic, Black, and Caucasian in 263 00:15:05,400 --> 00:15:08,560 Speaker 1: the story. And then also another big thing and I 264 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:10,600 Speaker 1: haven't seen a change to it is at all based 265 00:15:10,640 --> 00:15:15,040 Speaker 1: in the US and there is an international app So 266 00:15:15,280 --> 00:15:18,200 Speaker 1: several of these things were big conversations like why do 267 00:15:18,280 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: you have to have it this way? And another big 268 00:15:20,440 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 1: conversation again as we talked about with sexuality or sexual preference, 269 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:27,080 Speaker 1: and I think they have actually they did have some 270 00:15:27,120 --> 00:15:30,760 Speaker 1: options of being gay or lesbian, but that was it. 271 00:15:30,760 --> 00:15:33,160 Speaker 1: It was very still like this and this and not that, 272 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:36,440 Speaker 1: and so it was very interesting to me to see 273 00:15:36,480 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: this conversation. So I had to venture out. I went 274 00:15:38,920 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: from one of my content to three others to try 275 00:15:42,040 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: to see how big of a change or difference or 276 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:48,520 Speaker 1: had they changed that since that petition, which, by the way, 277 00:15:48,600 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: they had two fifty people signed, so that's not a 278 00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: huge number. But for an app, mobile app game, for 279 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:58,240 Speaker 1: you to have a petition as well as have people signed, 280 00:15:58,320 --> 00:16:02,640 Speaker 1: it seems pretty significant to me. I don't know, just 281 00:16:02,720 --> 00:16:05,040 Speaker 1: saying so. Some of the things that I was going 282 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,800 Speaker 1: through with this is like, has it changed? Has Pixelberry 283 00:16:09,000 --> 00:16:13,000 Speaker 1: been listening to their people? And I'm picking on Pixelbery. 284 00:16:13,080 --> 00:16:16,000 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry if you're a listener and you know 285 00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:18,760 Speaker 1: Pixelberry or you've worked for Pixelbury or have a connection 286 00:16:18,760 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 1: to Pixelbury. It's mainly because that's what I'm using, and 287 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:23,080 Speaker 1: this is what I wanted to see because I was 288 00:16:23,200 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: very curious did they change it? Did they change it? 289 00:16:26,680 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 1: And a little So that's the answer, kind of, you know, 290 00:16:30,320 --> 00:16:33,040 Speaker 1: I think that's typically always the answer, right. So there 291 00:16:33,040 --> 00:16:36,320 Speaker 1: are many men and boys who are not happy with 292 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,320 Speaker 1: the gender locked conversation, as well as a lot of 293 00:16:39,680 --> 00:16:43,480 Speaker 1: I guess female identifying folk who wanted to be able 294 00:16:43,520 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 1: to play a different gender because they liked the responses 295 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:50,680 Speaker 1: and they wanted to have a different aspect or conversation 296 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:54,360 Speaker 1: piece in this So whatever the reason exploring it, there 297 00:16:54,400 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 1: was a lot of different people. I like it this 298 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:57,920 Speaker 1: way and I wanted to try, but they won't let me. 299 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 1: But some games have allowed for people to choose specific genders. 300 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,480 Speaker 1: They do, but it's still buying an area all so that, 301 00:17:04,480 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 1: I had not seen any non binary options in Pixelberry. Um. Again, 302 00:17:09,640 --> 00:17:12,400 Speaker 1: the other apps may I don't know. So if there's 303 00:17:12,400 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: a better app, I'm sure its the partypically gonna let 304 00:17:13,920 --> 00:17:17,119 Speaker 1: us know. Many still feel it is not enough options, 305 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:20,919 Speaker 1: and I specifically I absolutely agree. UM. And then there's 306 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,239 Speaker 1: also stories that let you play from either perspective. So 307 00:17:24,440 --> 00:17:26,640 Speaker 1: I've hit on two of the stories where you can 308 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: play either the main male or main female character, again 309 00:17:30,359 --> 00:17:33,439 Speaker 1: very binary, and then you go from that route and 310 00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,240 Speaker 1: see what happens in that route. There's one that's the 311 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:40,320 Speaker 1: princess and a magician. I believe the man is a 312 00:17:40,359 --> 00:17:43,840 Speaker 1: magician by the way, UM, and it goes different routes 313 00:17:43,920 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: of that adventure. But they are very specific and you 314 00:17:47,920 --> 00:17:50,320 Speaker 1: can't rename them. I don't think a lot of them 315 00:17:50,400 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 1: you can. I don't think in this option you can. 316 00:17:52,520 --> 00:17:56,040 Speaker 1: There's also options where you can actually choose who you are, 317 00:17:56,280 --> 00:17:58,800 Speaker 1: your name, and then you can actually choose your love interest. 318 00:17:59,359 --> 00:18:01,600 Speaker 1: The only other aroblem is I have seen someone say 319 00:18:02,240 --> 00:18:05,719 Speaker 1: that as an a sexual player, they could not have 320 00:18:05,760 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 1: an option that even if they wanted to flirt, which 321 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,720 Speaker 1: we know a sexuality, it's very abroad in the spectrum, 322 00:18:11,760 --> 00:18:13,720 Speaker 1: and it could mean I love to flirt, but I 323 00:18:13,760 --> 00:18:19,960 Speaker 1: don't want this sexual physical touch like that, which is understandable. Um, 324 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:22,359 Speaker 1: and that's kind of that conversations like they wanted to 325 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: be able to flirt, but flirt translated into touching, which 326 00:18:25,680 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 1: was like, that's not what we wanted as an a 327 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: sexual character, and there was no option not to do this, 328 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: which is which is really like, yeah, that's really discouraging. 329 00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: I will say they did put in an Asian character, 330 00:18:36,480 --> 00:18:38,440 Speaker 1: as previously they did not, And yes, every time I 331 00:18:38,520 --> 00:18:40,240 Speaker 1: played this has been an Asian character, So I guess 332 00:18:40,280 --> 00:18:43,840 Speaker 1: I am vicariously living through them. I didn't think about 333 00:18:43,840 --> 00:18:45,960 Speaker 1: that because they're never my name. I don't ever want 334 00:18:45,960 --> 00:19:01,760 Speaker 1: to say my name. It just feels too odd. And yeah, again, 335 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,359 Speaker 1: like I said, there's a lot of conversations about whether 336 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:08,160 Speaker 1: or not it has progressed enough. The reason they caught 337 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:10,960 Speaker 1: my attention is because going through the female gaze or 338 00:19:10,960 --> 00:19:14,040 Speaker 1: the feminist lens, there's a lot of a lot more 339 00:19:14,119 --> 00:19:18,679 Speaker 1: depth than I expected for like a gameplay, I guess, 340 00:19:18,960 --> 00:19:21,840 Speaker 1: especially mobile gameplay. Not that the standards should be low, 341 00:19:21,920 --> 00:19:24,440 Speaker 1: but you know, I still didn't know, but the fact 342 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:27,280 Speaker 1: that they actually did a fairly good job and talking 343 00:19:27,280 --> 00:19:30,600 Speaker 1: about consent. So I did venture into one that's a 344 00:19:30,720 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: dom sub and I will tell y'all not my cup 345 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: of tea all the time. There are things that I'm like, 346 00:19:36,640 --> 00:19:38,760 Speaker 1: I'm not sure how I feel about this. This makes 347 00:19:38,760 --> 00:19:41,399 Speaker 1: me a little uncomfortable. But the one thing I have 348 00:19:41,560 --> 00:19:43,840 Speaker 1: to say that throughout that each time there is role 349 00:19:43,920 --> 00:19:45,879 Speaker 1: play and I'm putting this in quotes because you know, 350 00:19:45,960 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: I'm not really sure I'm talking about they make sure 351 00:19:48,040 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: consent is at the top of the conversation, as if 352 00:19:50,400 --> 00:19:53,520 Speaker 1: these two characters are working it out to make sure 353 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: they realize that they are able to consent with each other. 354 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: So I found that really nice. I was like, oh, 355 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,720 Speaker 1: look at that, because we know that this culture in 356 00:20:02,800 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: real life are very very focused on consent um and 357 00:20:06,880 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 1: I think it pays respect. Again, I don't think it's 358 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:15,840 Speaker 1: on point, as in, like I don't know how realistic 359 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: these things are. I don't. I have no real perspective, 360 00:20:19,480 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 1: so I'm thinking that as a grain of salt. But 361 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 1: to see that they are talking about consent and any 362 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,920 Speaker 1: of the steamy, spicy content, they are talking about consent, 363 00:20:27,960 --> 00:20:32,120 Speaker 1: and I really appreciated that. I was like, okay, okay, 364 00:20:32,200 --> 00:20:34,639 Speaker 1: because you know when we specifically you and I have 365 00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,760 Speaker 1: talked about this as a kid, when I was reading 366 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,760 Speaker 1: through Romance, the sexy things were being taken and doing 367 00:20:39,840 --> 00:20:42,840 Speaker 1: doing this and being you know, saying no but meaning yes, 368 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,959 Speaker 1: that's not happening. And I was like, Okay, look at this. 369 00:20:46,200 --> 00:20:50,600 Speaker 1: They are really changing that kind of conversation up. Maybe 370 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:52,600 Speaker 1: maybe I've not read deeply into all of it. I 371 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:55,240 Speaker 1: don't know, but a few pieces that I've seen they 372 00:20:55,280 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: have done a really good job of that. And all 373 00:20:58,400 --> 00:21:03,120 Speaker 1: of these characters they have started to formulate the characters well, 374 00:21:03,160 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: I guess, and that some of these I was surprised 375 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:08,280 Speaker 1: by the type of jobs that they were getting, or 376 00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,240 Speaker 1: the way they would speak, or how they would stand 377 00:21:10,280 --> 00:21:12,639 Speaker 1: up for themselves. Of course you choose these things, but 378 00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 1: it was really interesting to see. I was like, yeah, 379 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 1: I feel like this are this is the women writing 380 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: this yeah, or at least non binary folks who understand. 381 00:21:20,600 --> 00:21:22,640 Speaker 1: And as I was researching it, because you can look 382 00:21:22,720 --> 00:21:27,399 Speaker 1: to see who wrote or created uh the different books, 383 00:21:27,600 --> 00:21:29,720 Speaker 1: and they give you they give an interview about what 384 00:21:29,760 --> 00:21:31,640 Speaker 1: they're doing and how excited they are about the work. 385 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,280 Speaker 1: And one of them was Megan. I'm sorry, I don't 386 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,040 Speaker 1: know you. Last name actually grew up in LinkedIn. Um. 387 00:21:37,280 --> 00:21:39,120 Speaker 1: She did an amazing job with one of the ones 388 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: that I've read, and talking about how she wants to 389 00:21:40,920 --> 00:21:43,720 Speaker 1: expand it and how she loves these characters, and I'm like, wow, 390 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: this is really interesting gaming. I love this. I love this. Yeah, 391 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,840 Speaker 1: I totally agree. We were talking about this before. If 392 00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: consent is involved in the conversation like that, I assume 393 00:21:56,520 --> 00:22:00,000 Speaker 1: it was probably a woman or non binary city wrote it. Um. 394 00:22:00,040 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: I've said before, I've seen this happen in fan fiction. 395 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,760 Speaker 1: But it's interesting too because I haven't ventured into this world. 396 00:22:05,760 --> 00:22:10,560 Speaker 1: But I played games like this on consoles um and 397 00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,800 Speaker 1: I can't say whether or not I like one that 398 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: comes to mind. I love the game Oxen Tree. If 399 00:22:16,800 --> 00:22:19,720 Speaker 1: you are interested in this and want to explore more, 400 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,719 Speaker 1: Oxen Free is a great one. The main character as 401 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:27,119 Speaker 1: a woman um. And then I know mass effect is 402 00:22:27,119 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 1: a big one, but mass fact also had discussions like 403 00:22:29,440 --> 00:22:35,520 Speaker 1: this of like I have to be fim Shepherd male shepherd. Um, 404 00:22:35,680 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 1: I will say I did fim shep and I went 405 00:22:38,359 --> 00:22:41,399 Speaker 1: down every romance possible. But that was where I was 406 00:22:41,440 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: just curious what would happen, Like I feel like you're 407 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: able to h experiment at a safe distance. Yeah, yeah, 408 00:22:52,359 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 1: it's just kind of fun. I'm like, oh, what if 409 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:56,120 Speaker 1: I go talk to this guy I was gonna happen? 410 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,160 Speaker 1: But yeah, I'm very interested in try it out. And actually, 411 00:23:01,280 --> 00:23:03,439 Speaker 1: as you were telling me about this, I remembered a 412 00:23:03,520 --> 00:23:06,639 Speaker 1: listener wrote us a while back and we wanted to 413 00:23:06,680 --> 00:23:10,760 Speaker 1: read part of Amanda's email. Amanda wrote, just have to 414 00:23:10,760 --> 00:23:13,399 Speaker 1: suggest the text based choose your own Adventure game the 415 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,359 Speaker 1: way Haven chronicles Danny and Samantha. It's a planned seven 416 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:19,760 Speaker 1: books series and is so good be gay by straight 417 00:23:19,880 --> 00:23:22,400 Speaker 1: or ace while having to deal with four ridiculously good 418 00:23:22,400 --> 00:23:25,440 Speaker 1: looking vampires of your chosen preference in a small town 419 00:23:25,480 --> 00:23:29,359 Speaker 1: while solving a mood Did I mention your choices matter 420 00:23:29,480 --> 00:23:32,679 Speaker 1: and vary the story through each play through and no 421 00:23:33,080 --> 00:23:37,800 Speaker 1: going backs's move? Um? Yeah, there's two books out so 422 00:23:37,840 --> 00:23:39,679 Speaker 1: far with the third in production, and has brought me 423 00:23:39,720 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: so much story that I couldn't help but think of 424 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: it as Sminty started venturing into fiction and horror. And yes, 425 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:48,199 Speaker 1: despite the romcom description, there are horror elements and even 426 00:23:48,400 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 1: mythological twists didn't well, you know, I am gay at 427 00:23:53,000 --> 00:23:55,679 Speaker 1: this point. As I am exploring this whole new world, 428 00:23:55,720 --> 00:24:02,080 Speaker 1: I'm like, wait, what vampires? We know? I love Vampa. Yes, yes, 429 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: so uh we Samantha and I are gonna I think 430 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: we're going to give it a go. I know this 431 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,280 Speaker 1: is like late coming, but I did actually download it 432 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:13,320 Speaker 1: right after the email, so I wanted to do it. 433 00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:17,120 Speaker 1: And this has just been another kickstart and and then 434 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:20,200 Speaker 1: we were planning on doing maybe a book club or 435 00:24:20,200 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: an episode on it, uh and discuss because I think 436 00:24:23,119 --> 00:24:29,200 Speaker 1: it's gonna be really interesting to compare ours. Yes, but Amanda, um, 437 00:24:29,359 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 1: if you're listening, I hope you still are because I 438 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:32,640 Speaker 1: know this was a little while, but it wasn't Halloween. 439 00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,720 Speaker 1: Amanda was suggesting it for like a Halloween type thing. 440 00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:39,000 Speaker 1: We know when we come into fall as always Halloween 441 00:24:39,000 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: seas and we're coming and we love horror all ye around. 442 00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, We would love if you could reach back 443 00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:48,000 Speaker 1: out and let us know where you are, your thoughts, 444 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: your experiences, and we want to know your experience and 445 00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,360 Speaker 1: how they compared to ours as well. Yes, and any listeners, 446 00:24:54,440 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: any listeners, we would love to hear from you. I 447 00:24:57,000 --> 00:25:01,080 Speaker 1: think this could be really fun. Yes, so look forward 448 00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:04,919 Speaker 1: to that one. And in the meantime, if you do 449 00:25:05,040 --> 00:25:07,760 Speaker 1: want to contact us about any of this stuff, um 450 00:25:07,760 --> 00:25:11,080 Speaker 1: I have any suggestions that'd be great. You can email 451 00:25:11,160 --> 00:25:12,600 Speaker 1: us at stuff id your mom stuff at I heart 452 00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:14,399 Speaker 1: media dot com. You can find us on Twitter at 453 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 1: mom Stuff podcast or an Instagram at stuff I've Never 454 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:19,200 Speaker 1: Told You. 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