1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,000 Speaker 1: You're listening to the Tutor Dixon Podcast in the Clay 2 00:00:04,120 --> 00:00:05,800 Speaker 1: and Book podcast Network. 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:11,960 Speaker 2: Welcome to the Tutor Dixon Podcast. I'm Tutor Dixon, and 4 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:14,960 Speaker 2: it's great to have you tuning into our podcast today. 5 00:00:15,400 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: As many of you are aware, the ups and downs 6 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:20,840 Speaker 2: of the economy, the impact of COVID and all those 7 00:00:20,880 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 2: supply chain problems, among other issues, have been hurting small 8 00:00:25,160 --> 00:00:26,760 Speaker 2: businesses across our country. 9 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,160 Speaker 1: In Michigan, it's really bad. 10 00:00:29,400 --> 00:00:33,159 Speaker 2: We keep losing businesses and with those losses come the 11 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 2: additional sting of population loss. The state of Michigan is 12 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:39,559 Speaker 2: just really struggling. So that's why I wanted to talk 13 00:00:39,600 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 2: to one of my favorite people when it comes to 14 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:46,840 Speaker 2: talking jobs and how to make new jobs, entrepreneurship, all 15 00:00:46,880 --> 00:00:49,640 Speaker 2: of that stuff for small businesses. My guest today is 16 00:00:49,640 --> 00:00:52,240 Speaker 2: someone who knows the struggles and works to help those 17 00:00:52,240 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: small businesses succeed. Alfredo Ortiz. He is the president and 18 00:00:56,160 --> 00:00:59,160 Speaker 2: CEO of the Job Creators Network and the author of 19 00:00:59,200 --> 00:01:02,080 Speaker 2: the latest book, The Real Race Revolutionaries. 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:04,319 Speaker 1: Alfredo, Welcome to the podcast, Tudor. 21 00:01:04,360 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 3: Thank you so much. Always nice to see you. 22 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,039 Speaker 1: It's always great to see you. 23 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 2: I want to talk about something really quick at the beginning, 24 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 2: because as you know, I'm in Michigan. We've talked about 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 2: my race here in Michigan and what the future of 26 00:01:17,800 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: Michigan looks like. But we really are struggling when it 27 00:01:21,240 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 2: comes to businesses. We have the automotive industry. The automotive 28 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:29,640 Speaker 2: industry has actually been able to keep some businesses out 29 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:31,959 Speaker 2: of the state because of the fear of not having 30 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:36,119 Speaker 2: enough workers. So it's kind of now hindering our progress 31 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:39,440 Speaker 2: as opposed to making more progress in the state. We 32 00:01:39,480 --> 00:01:41,920 Speaker 2: see other states like Texas, where Dallas, I think in 33 00:01:41,959 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: the last ten years has had two hundred new headquarters 34 00:01:44,720 --> 00:01:48,200 Speaker 2: move in Michigan is really we've had headquarters move out. 35 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:51,080 Speaker 2: And the latest from Gretchen Witmer, the governor of Michigan, 36 00:01:51,120 --> 00:01:53,480 Speaker 2: she came out and said that she is going to 37 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:57,080 Speaker 2: start a committee that will look at population growth through 38 00:01:57,360 --> 00:02:01,200 Speaker 2: twenty fifty. I mean, come on, committee is really just 39 00:02:01,320 --> 00:02:02,680 Speaker 2: I don't care, right. 40 00:02:03,280 --> 00:02:06,559 Speaker 4: Right, right, absolutely, it seems to be the democrats favorite 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:10,640 Speaker 4: new thing, you know, root cause analysis, right, it comes 42 00:02:10,639 --> 00:02:13,800 Speaker 4: to everything from the Vice president on down, and so look, 43 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 4: it doesn't take a rocket scientist to actually figure out 44 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 4: what's wrong in your state, really because it's all about 45 00:02:20,320 --> 00:02:22,040 Speaker 4: regulations and taxes in your state. 46 00:02:22,040 --> 00:02:23,200 Speaker 3: I mean, it's just out of control. 47 00:02:24,400 --> 00:02:27,880 Speaker 4: And unfortunately, I think as long as she's governor, I 48 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:30,040 Speaker 4: don't think that state's really going to be able to 49 00:02:30,040 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 4: turn itself around. I mean, you need policies that are 50 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:38,720 Speaker 4: pro growth, pro free enterprise, pro entrepreneurship policies, which really 51 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:43,919 Speaker 4: does mean low regulations, less regulations, and lower taxes, and. 52 00:02:43,880 --> 00:02:47,200 Speaker 2: Her new climate plan will be way more regulations. But 53 00:02:47,520 --> 00:02:49,440 Speaker 2: I want to ask you something else, because we have 54 00:02:49,560 --> 00:02:53,160 Speaker 2: democrat led cities here like Detroit. And when I was 55 00:02:53,200 --> 00:02:55,520 Speaker 2: on the campaign trail, I had a guy that was 56 00:02:55,560 --> 00:02:57,800 Speaker 2: talking about he was starting a restaurant in the suburbs 57 00:02:57,800 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 2: of Detroit and won in Detroit. 58 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:00,360 Speaker 1: And I said, let me ask thank you this. 59 00:03:00,840 --> 00:03:03,360 Speaker 2: If you were a resident of Detroit and you just 60 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 2: wanted to start up a business for the first time, 61 00:03:05,560 --> 00:03:09,680 Speaker 2: and you wanted to maybe start your own restaurant, how 62 00:03:09,720 --> 00:03:11,840 Speaker 2: difficult would that be? And he said, well, you cann't 63 00:03:11,840 --> 00:03:13,560 Speaker 2: afford it, first of all, because you have to hire 64 00:03:13,600 --> 00:03:16,120 Speaker 2: so many experts to get through the red tape. And 65 00:03:16,160 --> 00:03:19,840 Speaker 2: he said, and then you really, if you don't know 66 00:03:19,880 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 2: the right people, you'll never be able to start a business. 67 00:03:23,040 --> 00:03:25,800 Speaker 2: So how do we take communities that are suffering and 68 00:03:25,960 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: have them rebuild from within if they cannot even figure 69 00:03:29,440 --> 00:03:32,360 Speaker 2: out how to own a business or start a business. 70 00:03:32,560 --> 00:03:33,799 Speaker 3: That's a great question too. 71 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:36,960 Speaker 4: I mean it's you know, I live down here in 72 00:03:37,000 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 4: Georgia where we're fortunate to have obviously a pro growth 73 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 4: profrey enterprise governor and Governor Kemp. You know, during the 74 00:03:45,320 --> 00:03:48,280 Speaker 4: COVID crisis, for example, we're one of the first few 75 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:50,120 Speaker 4: to really open up. In fact, I think we're the 76 00:03:50,160 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 4: first ones to really open back up our economy. And 77 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:55,400 Speaker 4: so because he actually understood that, he comes from a 78 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 4: small business background, he unerstood what it took to run 79 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:01,120 Speaker 4: a small business, and so you know, he always favored, 80 00:04:01,280 --> 00:04:04,640 Speaker 4: you know, the elimination or reduction of red tape to 81 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:07,680 Speaker 4: do that. But you know when you have these blue states, 82 00:04:07,720 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 4: which you know in blue cities in particular, run by 83 00:04:11,520 --> 00:04:14,440 Speaker 4: these blue mayors, is that you know there is a 84 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,760 Speaker 4: real problem here because they truly embrace and believe that 85 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,640 Speaker 4: more government regulation and more government intervention in some way, 86 00:04:21,680 --> 00:04:23,120 Speaker 4: shape or form actually is. 87 00:04:23,080 --> 00:04:25,920 Speaker 3: Going to help. And I have not run into one 88 00:04:25,960 --> 00:04:27,040 Speaker 3: small business. 89 00:04:26,680 --> 00:04:30,560 Speaker 4: Owner yet that raises his or her hand and says, oh, 90 00:04:30,640 --> 00:04:33,320 Speaker 4: please please help my business, please raise my taxes, and 91 00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:34,719 Speaker 4: please give me more red tape. 92 00:04:35,160 --> 00:04:37,360 Speaker 3: This is just not the way an entrepreneur works. 93 00:04:38,040 --> 00:04:39,600 Speaker 4: And I have to tell you, you know, there are 94 00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,719 Speaker 4: thirty three million small businesses in this country that employ 95 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: about sixty million hard working Americans. So you know, I 96 00:04:46,720 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 4: always say this small business is too big to fail. 97 00:04:49,520 --> 00:04:52,160 Speaker 4: And you're seeing that in Detroit, you're seeing that in Michigan. 98 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 4: It's that, you know, when these small businesses fail, your 99 00:04:55,320 --> 00:04:58,880 Speaker 4: communities fail. They are the backbone of our country. They 100 00:04:58,920 --> 00:05:01,400 Speaker 4: are the backbone of our communities. When you go to 101 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,760 Speaker 4: these little league you know fields and soccer league fields 102 00:05:04,800 --> 00:05:07,279 Speaker 4: on weekends, what are the billboards out there? 103 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:09,479 Speaker 3: Say? It's not Coca Cola Michigan. 104 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 4: You know, Delta Airlines, right, City Bank, Right, That's not 105 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,960 Speaker 4: the people who actually sponsor your communities. It's the car 106 00:05:17,040 --> 00:05:19,600 Speaker 4: dealer down the street. It's the pizza guy, right, It's 107 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,680 Speaker 4: the sub it's the local franchise of a subway. 108 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 2: To be honest, I mean, that's why we have continued 109 00:05:27,240 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 2: to supplement the automotive industry in the state of Michigan, 110 00:05:30,120 --> 00:05:33,320 Speaker 2: and so many of our tax dollars go into like 111 00:05:33,360 --> 00:05:36,160 Speaker 2: we're held hostage by this industry that says you have 112 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,919 Speaker 2: to keep paying us to keep us here because so 113 00:05:39,000 --> 00:05:41,560 Speaker 2: many of your small businesses are a part of our 114 00:05:41,600 --> 00:05:44,119 Speaker 2: industry that if we leave, we will crash the state. 115 00:05:44,680 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: But don't bring any other businesses here because we want 116 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,600 Speaker 2: to be the only employer in these towns. So, for example, 117 00:05:51,960 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 2: Flint is a town in Michigan that is really suffering. 118 00:05:55,040 --> 00:05:56,960 Speaker 2: I mean, just a couple of years ago on the news, 119 00:05:56,960 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 2: a mother was interviewed and she was begging Lee's bring 120 00:06:01,240 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 2: in jobs because our sons have no place to work. 121 00:06:04,960 --> 00:06:06,680 Speaker 2: And she said, that's why we have so much violence 122 00:06:06,720 --> 00:06:08,880 Speaker 2: on the streets, because there are no jobs. Well, I 123 00:06:08,920 --> 00:06:12,200 Speaker 2: was talking to a community college president just the other 124 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 2: day and he said, you know, it's interesting because because 125 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:17,039 Speaker 2: I was saying, well, in my own town, they were 126 00:06:17,279 --> 00:06:19,000 Speaker 2: asking me not to bring business because they don't have 127 00:06:19,120 --> 00:06:19,800 Speaker 2: enough workers. 128 00:06:20,040 --> 00:06:21,080 Speaker 1: And he said, gosh, I. 129 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:23,760 Speaker 2: Was actually in a meeting with the chamber in Flint 130 00:06:24,440 --> 00:06:27,599 Speaker 2: and Stillantis was there. Ur GM I think was there, 131 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,039 Speaker 2: and they heard that these other companies were planning to 132 00:06:31,160 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 2: come there. They went to the government and said, don't 133 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 2: you dare bring them in, and they prevented new business 134 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,920 Speaker 2: from coming to the city of Flint, and we're essentially 135 00:06:40,960 --> 00:06:44,800 Speaker 2: hostage to this because we believe we have to have them. 136 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 2: How do you get out of that mindset? Because that's 137 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,440 Speaker 2: certainly the mindset of Gretchen Wimmer, as you know. 138 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:54,520 Speaker 4: And again, I certainly hope when her reelection comes up. 139 00:06:54,560 --> 00:06:56,839 Speaker 4: I hope to see your name on that ballot, of 140 00:06:56,839 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 4: course too, because we need people that understand this and 141 00:07:00,720 --> 00:07:04,400 Speaker 4: have a completely different mindset. Your current governor just does 142 00:07:04,440 --> 00:07:08,919 Speaker 4: not get that. And unfortunately, until you have leadership change 143 00:07:08,920 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 4: at the top, which then translates all the way down 144 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:14,680 Speaker 4: or starts at least trickling down, you're not going to 145 00:07:14,720 --> 00:07:16,520 Speaker 4: get the kind of change that's going to turn around 146 00:07:16,520 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 4: the state. 147 00:07:18,120 --> 00:07:20,200 Speaker 3: You know. You know, for example, if. 148 00:07:20,120 --> 00:07:23,200 Speaker 4: You look at Virginia, where you had, you know, a 149 00:07:23,240 --> 00:07:26,840 Speaker 4: Democrat governor before Governor Young Cain come in. Once Governor 150 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:29,440 Speaker 4: Youngkin has come in, he's really turning that state around 151 00:07:29,720 --> 00:07:33,320 Speaker 4: because that leadership is coming from the top, and it's 152 00:07:33,360 --> 00:07:36,640 Speaker 4: an understanding of what small business, for example, really does 153 00:07:36,680 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 4: bring to your your your communities, to your state. You know, 154 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:45,000 Speaker 4: in some states, small businesses represent ninety nine point nine 155 00:07:45,160 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 4: percent of your total businesses in. 156 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 1: Oh that's Michigan. 157 00:07:51,040 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, yeah, I would be surprised. Yeah, it's 158 00:07:53,440 --> 00:07:55,880 Speaker 4: probably at least ninety nine percent. And so you know, 159 00:07:57,080 --> 00:08:00,440 Speaker 4: when you have unhealthy small businesses, I mean people will 160 00:08:00,480 --> 00:08:03,680 Speaker 4: pull out. I mean it's so funny, well not funny, 161 00:08:04,240 --> 00:08:08,920 Speaker 4: but you know, the during Small Business Week, the President 162 00:08:09,160 --> 00:08:12,160 Speaker 4: was in the Rose Guard and touting how wonderful all 163 00:08:12,200 --> 00:08:16,480 Speaker 4: this new new small business growth was happening. And you know, 164 00:08:16,560 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 4: I dug into the number that he was referring to. 165 00:08:18,760 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 4: It's really interesting actually the way they play this and 166 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:24,960 Speaker 4: twist around the data, because what they're looking at is 167 00:08:25,000 --> 00:08:29,720 Speaker 4: not net new businesses. They were actually looking at gross 168 00:08:29,760 --> 00:08:33,679 Speaker 4: new businesses, which basically means they were counting, for example, 169 00:08:33,720 --> 00:08:36,200 Speaker 4: a business that was leaving New York and going down 170 00:08:36,200 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 4: to Florida. 171 00:08:37,120 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 1: Jeez, that's a new basics we. 172 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 3: Had net zero, right, yeah, that is a new business. 173 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 4: That's so ridiculous, which is absolutely crazy, right. And so look, 174 00:08:47,000 --> 00:08:50,240 Speaker 4: I mean, unfortunately, you're going to sleep start seeing people 175 00:08:50,280 --> 00:08:54,560 Speaker 4: who understand this and just say I cannot operate in 176 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:56,079 Speaker 4: the state and more, and they are going to Ly, 177 00:08:56,160 --> 00:08:57,680 Speaker 4: They're going to go to Texas, They're going to go 178 00:08:57,679 --> 00:09:01,920 Speaker 4: to Georgia. They're going to go, you know, to Floorlorida, Tennessee. 179 00:09:02,000 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 4: They're going to go to these red states that understand 180 00:09:05,280 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 4: that low taxes, lower taxes or no taxes in subcases, 181 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 4: and less red tape really is going to make a difference. 182 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:18,960 Speaker 4: I mean out in Arizona, for example, former Governor Doucy 183 00:09:19,960 --> 00:09:22,920 Speaker 4: I love the phrase that he had is operating government 184 00:09:23,000 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 4: at the speed of business. He made a point of 185 00:09:25,760 --> 00:09:28,000 Speaker 4: in some cases I think he had made a couple 186 00:09:28,000 --> 00:09:32,320 Speaker 4: of examples where permitting processes where you were taking eighteen months, 187 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:34,880 Speaker 4: he was reducing it down to a week. When you're 188 00:09:34,960 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 4: running a small business and it's you. 189 00:09:36,800 --> 00:09:38,400 Speaker 1: That's so important. 190 00:09:39,040 --> 00:09:42,400 Speaker 2: And that is a number one complaint in Michigan was 191 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 2: every if we wanted to build in Michigan, it would 192 00:09:45,720 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 2: be what we could do in Tennessee in two to 193 00:09:49,280 --> 00:09:54,000 Speaker 2: three months would be nine to twelve months in Michigan minimum. 194 00:09:54,160 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 2: And think about this, We in Michigan are just giving 195 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 2: money away. I mean, Billy Ford will get I think 196 00:10:01,679 --> 00:10:05,080 Speaker 2: two billion dollars from Michigan tax payers this year. Other 197 00:10:05,480 --> 00:10:09,559 Speaker 2: automotive companies will get hundreds of thousands. And we are 198 00:10:09,559 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 2: giving this money away. But our small businesses have time 199 00:10:12,720 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: and time again told me. When we went to the 200 00:10:14,880 --> 00:10:17,200 Speaker 2: governor and said we wanted to grow, she said, no, 201 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: the money is not there for you. You have to 202 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,400 Speaker 2: do that on your own. They have gotten fed up. 203 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 2: They have decided to leave the state. The governor, when 204 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:28,959 Speaker 2: she was asked during the campaign, what is your plan 205 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 2: for population growth and economic growth in the state, was 206 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 2: very seriously looked at the crowd and said, we will 207 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,160 Speaker 2: be a place that you can get an abortion, no 208 00:10:40,240 --> 00:10:43,200 Speaker 2: matter what. That was her economic growth plan. 209 00:10:43,760 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, that's ridiculous. I mean, Tudor, I'm not 210 00:10:46,160 --> 00:10:48,680 Speaker 4: sure if you remember a few years back, but when 211 00:10:48,920 --> 00:10:54,520 Speaker 4: the city of Baltimore approved the wage increase, minimum wage increase, 212 00:10:54,920 --> 00:10:59,640 Speaker 4: the Democrat mayor of the time actually vetoed that. She 213 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:03,280 Speaker 4: got a lot of crap, quite frankly, thrown at her 214 00:11:03,320 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 4: because she did that. But the reason she did is 215 00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,240 Speaker 4: because she said she understood what that would do, the 216 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 4: damage that would do to the small businesses in the state, 217 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 4: excuse me, in the city, and you know, the you know, 218 00:11:15,280 --> 00:11:18,240 Speaker 4: kudas to her because she actually, you know, was a 219 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:23,199 Speaker 4: blue mayor that that that basically overrode a blue city council. 220 00:11:24,400 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 4: But but we do need brave people, hopefully even on 221 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,040 Speaker 4: the Democrat side, that do support and stand up for 222 00:11:31,080 --> 00:11:35,680 Speaker 4: small businesses. I mean, we know that entrepreneurship is the 223 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:40,400 Speaker 4: number one way to really break that racial and economic divide. 224 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 4: You mentioned the book which I'll put it right here, 225 00:11:43,880 --> 00:11:47,160 Speaker 4: The Real Race Revolutionaries. That's exactly what I talk about 226 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:49,680 Speaker 4: in the book, is that the only way that we 227 00:11:49,720 --> 00:11:52,360 Speaker 4: can really have true change in terms of racial and 228 00:11:52,440 --> 00:11:56,679 Speaker 4: economic divide and how to bridge that gap is through entrepreneurship, 229 00:11:58,000 --> 00:12:01,559 Speaker 4: you know, and and without that, as especially amongst minorities, 230 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:06,800 Speaker 4: you're not going to have really this issue addressed from 231 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:09,960 Speaker 4: the country. And it's not more government that's needed. It 232 00:12:10,040 --> 00:12:13,640 Speaker 4: really is an ability to help it help help help 233 00:12:13,679 --> 00:12:17,520 Speaker 4: these small businesses succeed by bringing down their taxes and 234 00:12:17,520 --> 00:12:18,720 Speaker 4: bringing down the red tape. 235 00:12:18,840 --> 00:12:21,560 Speaker 2: Let's take a quick commercial break. We'll continue next on 236 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon podcast. Now, you and I have talked 237 00:12:28,600 --> 00:12:31,599 Speaker 2: about how do you get the people to really understand this, 238 00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:33,960 Speaker 2: how do you get people on the ground, because it 239 00:12:34,080 --> 00:12:37,560 Speaker 2: during our race. So my background is manufacturing. As many 240 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:39,760 Speaker 2: people know, I come from the steel industry. We had 241 00:12:39,760 --> 00:12:42,920 Speaker 2: a steel foundry, and so I understand what it is 242 00:12:42,960 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 2: to go up against the government when it comes to 243 00:12:44,920 --> 00:12:48,559 Speaker 2: environmental and all of this, all of these outrageous regulations 244 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:51,120 Speaker 2: that they throw on you. But in some cases, I 245 00:12:51,120 --> 00:12:55,280 Speaker 2: would say Republicans and the United States have the cleanest 246 00:12:55,320 --> 00:12:58,040 Speaker 2: manufacturing in the world because we are held to such 247 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:01,400 Speaker 2: a high standard. But there are some standards that are 248 00:13:01,559 --> 00:13:05,000 Speaker 2: keeping businesses from actually expanding. In Michigan, we have an 249 00:13:05,040 --> 00:13:09,240 Speaker 2: interesting situation where these companies have been allowed to sign 250 00:13:09,600 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 2: non disclosure agreements. So I was asked during the campaign, 251 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,079 Speaker 2: having come from the manufacturing industry, sat with the Michigan 252 00:13:17,120 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: Manufacturers Association and they were talking to both of us 253 00:13:19,920 --> 00:13:24,600 Speaker 2: for endorsements, and Stilantis asked, will you continue to give 254 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 2: us this money? And I said, I would love to 255 00:13:27,720 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: comment on it, but I don't know why you received 256 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 2: that money because you have a non disclosure agreement. And 257 00:13:33,160 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 2: the woman looked at me and she said, are you 258 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:38,319 Speaker 2: indicating that we should have our agreements be public? Yeah, 259 00:13:38,400 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 2: I mean I think if you are taking taxpayer dollars, 260 00:13:41,600 --> 00:13:43,560 Speaker 2: there are things that we can keep private if you 261 00:13:43,559 --> 00:13:47,400 Speaker 2: have proprietary information, but we should know why you're getting that. 262 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:51,320 Speaker 2: And that was really Afterward they came out and they said, Well, 263 00:13:51,440 --> 00:13:54,240 Speaker 2: the story is you didn't get the endorsement because the 264 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 2: power of the automotive industry who believes that you may 265 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:01,240 Speaker 2: cut back the incentives that they're is handed year after 266 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 2: year and never held to what they say, never held 267 00:14:04,920 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 2: to the agreement. Well, we'll bring in maybe two thousand 268 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: jobs and then jobs leave. So how do you get 269 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:14,319 Speaker 2: the people to truly understand what's happening behind the scenes. 270 00:14:14,360 --> 00:14:17,360 Speaker 2: I know you've talked about doing ads, talking about real leadership, 271 00:14:17,559 --> 00:14:20,960 Speaker 2: showing people in blue states or purple states what red 272 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:22,200 Speaker 2: states are really doing. 273 00:14:22,560 --> 00:14:25,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, so that's another great question, Tooter. We actually started 274 00:14:26,000 --> 00:14:30,560 Speaker 4: a project last year called the Great Opportunity Project GOP 275 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 4: for short, my humble and our humble attempt to try 276 00:14:34,720 --> 00:14:38,440 Speaker 4: to actually redefine what the GEOPE stands for, from Grand 277 00:14:38,480 --> 00:14:41,680 Speaker 4: Old Party to really what is what we should be 278 00:14:41,720 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 4: the Great Opportunity Project. And we have shown time and 279 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 4: time again that through an understanding of entrepreneurship and embracing 280 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:53,600 Speaker 4: of entrepreneurship that you can truly succeed and break out 281 00:14:53,640 --> 00:14:55,200 Speaker 4: of that. I mean, you and I have talked a 282 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 4: little bit about my background, but I come from a 283 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:00,520 Speaker 4: poor background. I was I grew up in Suliviskal, California. 284 00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:04,000 Speaker 4: My mom was a housekeeper. My dad was a tailor. 285 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 4: I used to go on trash day with my mom, 286 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 4: collecting lumen cans and newspapers, you know, to make to 287 00:15:09,840 --> 00:15:12,280 Speaker 4: make ends meet and you know, to buy our groceries 288 00:15:12,320 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 4: for the week. And so you know, fast forward, you 289 00:15:14,960 --> 00:15:16,800 Speaker 4: know she she also, by the way, was the first 290 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 4: entrepreneur probably I ever met, because she she was able 291 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:22,760 Speaker 4: to do the best garage sales, craft sales and bake 292 00:15:22,800 --> 00:15:24,160 Speaker 4: sales you could ever imagine. 293 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 2: Uh. 294 00:15:25,160 --> 00:15:28,160 Speaker 4: But but fast forward to you know where I am today. Yes, 295 00:15:28,240 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 4: I worked in corporate America and fortunately five hundreds and 296 00:15:30,680 --> 00:15:36,000 Speaker 4: I got a great uh a great education out uh 297 00:15:36,120 --> 00:15:38,480 Speaker 4: you know, with my undergrad I went to Michigan by 298 00:15:38,520 --> 00:15:41,720 Speaker 4: the way, University of Michigan, got my MBA, paid my 299 00:15:42,000 --> 00:15:45,120 Speaker 4: own loans, by the way, paid those up by myself 300 00:15:45,120 --> 00:15:47,520 Speaker 4: and not with anybody else's help. But it was really 301 00:15:47,680 --> 00:15:51,320 Speaker 4: my two small businesses I established here in Georgia that 302 00:15:51,560 --> 00:15:55,240 Speaker 4: really kind of was my breakthrough moment because it really established, 303 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:58,640 Speaker 4: you know, my own opportunity to be able to make 304 00:15:58,680 --> 00:16:01,920 Speaker 4: something of myself and to have something that I owned, 305 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:05,160 Speaker 4: and that really Frankly, when I sold the two businesses, 306 00:16:05,360 --> 00:16:07,760 Speaker 4: put me on a great path to where I am today. 307 00:16:07,800 --> 00:16:10,800 Speaker 4: And so you know, the more we embraced that, the 308 00:16:10,800 --> 00:16:13,240 Speaker 4: better off we're going to be. But again, you need 309 00:16:13,280 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 4: to have that leadership come from the top and make 310 00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:18,840 Speaker 4: those bold moves, very similar to what we're seeing with 311 00:16:18,920 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 4: Governor Younkin. And so the Great Opportunity Project really highlighted 312 00:16:23,360 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 4: some of the great work of some of these fantastic governors, 313 00:16:26,760 --> 00:16:30,280 Speaker 4: for example, Governor Reynolds, who you and I love. 314 00:16:30,120 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 3: And I've talked to. 315 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 4: Extensively in Iowa, Governor Doucy, Governor Younkin Kemp here in Georgia. 316 00:16:38,360 --> 00:16:41,680 Speaker 4: It really kind of highlighted, especially during the COVID period, 317 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,320 Speaker 4: what they actually did for their small businesses and how 318 00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:49,680 Speaker 4: they really help small businesses thrive during and after pretty 319 00:16:49,720 --> 00:16:55,640 Speaker 4: much the pandemic. And so the more we highlight these situations, 320 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 4: and frankly, I wanted to play and we did run 321 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:02,520 Speaker 4: some of those ads in blue states because I want 322 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:05,600 Speaker 4: people to see, Hey, wait a minute, I like what 323 00:17:05,840 --> 00:17:08,359 Speaker 4: happened there, What does it take and what will it 324 00:17:08,400 --> 00:17:10,959 Speaker 4: take for us to see that? And what it's going 325 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:13,399 Speaker 4: to take is change in leadership. Very much like what 326 00:17:13,440 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 4: we saw in Virginia. And so this is we highlight 327 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:18,359 Speaker 4: that the better off we're going to be. 328 00:17:18,640 --> 00:17:20,159 Speaker 1: These are business deals. 329 00:17:20,160 --> 00:17:22,800 Speaker 2: And that's why I think you see so many successful 330 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 2: governors that came from the business world, and like Governor 331 00:17:26,400 --> 00:17:29,960 Speaker 2: Youngkin and you have some governors out west they've come 332 00:17:30,040 --> 00:17:34,399 Speaker 2: in from the business world and Governor Doocy and they've 333 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:38,159 Speaker 2: been able to make these connections bring businesses in. I 334 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 2: think that's something that people don't understand. It's not you 335 00:17:41,640 --> 00:17:43,760 Speaker 2: don't just wait for the businesses to come to you. 336 00:17:44,000 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 2: I mean last week when we were sitting with a 337 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 2: bunch of the governors, I was listening to some of 338 00:17:50,200 --> 00:17:54,040 Speaker 2: them talk and one of them said, I went to California. 339 00:17:54,200 --> 00:17:57,320 Speaker 2: I went to sit down with the businesses. I recruited 340 00:17:57,320 --> 00:17:59,400 Speaker 2: them and said, what do you need. I will bring 341 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:01,840 Speaker 2: you here, and I'll tell you. One of the most 342 00:18:01,960 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 2: successful states for taking business. And I always give Governor 343 00:18:05,960 --> 00:18:08,639 Speaker 2: Lee a little grief about this for taking business from 344 00:18:08,720 --> 00:18:13,000 Speaker 2: Michigan is Tennessee and Governor ly has been incredibly successful 345 00:18:13,359 --> 00:18:16,520 Speaker 2: at bringing businesses there. And I will say that I 346 00:18:16,600 --> 00:18:18,840 Speaker 2: think you can correct me if I'm wrong, But if 347 00:18:18,880 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 2: you have a governor who is able to successfully bring 348 00:18:22,400 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: some of these larger corporations into your state. That grows 349 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:30,400 Speaker 2: entrepreneurship because you have businesses that pop up around those 350 00:18:30,440 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 2: big businesses. You've got to have hotels, you have to 351 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 2: have restaurants, you have to have widget shops and what 352 00:18:37,160 --> 00:18:40,680 Speaker 2: not to produce products for these bigger companies. And if 353 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:43,040 Speaker 2: you're losing out on all the big companies, if you 354 00:18:43,080 --> 00:18:46,480 Speaker 2: have all your eggs in one basket and industry, then 355 00:18:46,520 --> 00:18:49,000 Speaker 2: you're really in a danger zone. And I think that 356 00:18:49,080 --> 00:18:52,919 Speaker 2: Michigan is the perfect example of that happening. And I 357 00:18:52,960 --> 00:18:55,639 Speaker 2: think that that's what people need to understand. You have 358 00:18:55,720 --> 00:18:59,120 Speaker 2: to be looking at bringing business to a state from 359 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,800 Speaker 2: all different and that can lift up those entrepreneurs and 360 00:19:02,840 --> 00:19:05,800 Speaker 2: that can lift up these minority communities that are struggling 361 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:07,879 Speaker 2: so that they can build up their own community. 362 00:19:08,200 --> 00:19:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred percent. 363 00:19:09,240 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 4: And you know, probably the three worst words for unions 364 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,879 Speaker 4: to hear a right to work, right. I mean, but 365 00:19:14,920 --> 00:19:16,760 Speaker 4: if you look at the right to work states, and 366 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:20,120 Speaker 4: especially in the automotive industry, I mean, there's a reason 367 00:19:20,160 --> 00:19:25,320 Speaker 4: why unions keep getting rejected from these companies in those states, right, And. 368 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:28,400 Speaker 2: That was just a policy in Michigan that over after 369 00:19:28,480 --> 00:19:30,919 Speaker 2: I think it was twelve years, was overturned as soon 370 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:34,399 Speaker 2: as the Democrats took control a couple months ago. They 371 00:19:35,119 --> 00:19:37,440 Speaker 2: removed right to work in the state of Michigan. 372 00:19:37,520 --> 00:19:39,080 Speaker 1: And no state has done that. 373 00:19:39,720 --> 00:19:42,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, And I have to tell you it's probably 374 00:19:42,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 4: the worst thing. I mean, look, I don't want to 375 00:19:44,600 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 4: be called a union buster, but unions had their time. 376 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,440 Speaker 4: I think they were useful at a point, but there's 377 00:19:51,480 --> 00:19:54,160 Speaker 4: a reason why membership and unions keeps going. 378 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:54,760 Speaker 3: Down and down. 379 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:57,360 Speaker 4: And I have to tell you, Tutor, now, with this 380 00:19:57,520 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 4: EV push, it'll be really interesting to see what the 381 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:06,480 Speaker 4: UAW in particular thinks about some of these plans, because 382 00:20:06,480 --> 00:20:10,320 Speaker 4: as you know, for example, production of an EV vehicle 383 00:20:10,560 --> 00:20:14,040 Speaker 4: takes about one half the labor force of an electronic 384 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: vehicle as it is a combustion engine, right, And so 385 00:20:17,240 --> 00:20:22,159 Speaker 4: in terms of employment, that's really going to be interesting. 386 00:20:22,240 --> 00:20:24,280 Speaker 4: So they're going to be pushing for more and more benefits, 387 00:20:24,320 --> 00:20:26,480 Speaker 4: which means it's operating that state is going to be 388 00:20:26,520 --> 00:20:31,199 Speaker 4: more and more costly. But look, in the end, we 389 00:20:31,400 --> 00:20:35,960 Speaker 4: have to make sure that in particular our small business environment, 390 00:20:36,400 --> 00:20:39,280 Speaker 4: our total business environment, our small business environment is one 391 00:20:39,280 --> 00:20:43,200 Speaker 4: that's really conducive and friendly to small businesses because they 392 00:20:43,240 --> 00:20:47,040 Speaker 4: are the heartbeat of our communities. And so I haven't 393 00:20:47,080 --> 00:20:51,560 Speaker 4: seen one single state where you know, we're an unfriendly 394 00:20:51,600 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 4: business environment. Small business leads to a great, thriving state economy. 395 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, it just seems like in some of these states 396 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:01,840 Speaker 2: there's no focus put on it. They just don't seem 397 00:21:01,880 --> 00:21:04,359 Speaker 2: to care about it, and people are really at a 398 00:21:04,400 --> 00:21:06,199 Speaker 2: loss as to what to do, which is why I 399 00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:09,560 Speaker 2: think it is so important that we do find that 400 00:21:09,720 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: method to communicate. I love what you're doing with the ads. 401 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:14,920 Speaker 2: I know you say you're doing your small part. That's 402 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: a big part to me. That's something that we desperately 403 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:20,879 Speaker 2: needed groups to come in and do during the campaign, 404 00:21:20,880 --> 00:21:23,480 Speaker 2: and I think it's so valuable. So folks that are 405 00:21:23,520 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 2: listening out there, I mean, this is an organization that 406 00:21:25,880 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: you should look at, Job Creators Network, talk to them, 407 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:31,919 Speaker 2: find out what you can do to help. Because I 408 00:21:31,960 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 2: will say again that I've said this several times on 409 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:38,000 Speaker 2: the Republican side, we do not have organizations that get 410 00:21:38,119 --> 00:21:40,199 Speaker 2: enough funding to go out and do the work on 411 00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:44,679 Speaker 2: the ground, whereas the Democrats have all different organizations that 412 00:21:44,760 --> 00:21:45,480 Speaker 2: are doing this. 413 00:21:45,640 --> 00:21:47,720 Speaker 1: They are pushing through the voters. 414 00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:50,040 Speaker 2: They are getting to them, they're getting the message to them, 415 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:52,680 Speaker 2: They're making sure that they're totally informed because most of 416 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:55,440 Speaker 2: our voters are not watching the news, they're not engaged 417 00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,840 Speaker 2: in Twitter, they don't want to hear it. So we 418 00:21:57,880 --> 00:22:00,119 Speaker 2: need folks like you that can go out and get 419 00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: the message directly to them so they understand the ramifications 420 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 2: of voting for a Democrat who's going to drive business 421 00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:08,760 Speaker 2: out of their state. 422 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:12,400 Speaker 4: Well, thank you, and absolutely Look when our founding fathers 423 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:15,240 Speaker 4: had a vision for this country and they really wrote 424 00:22:15,280 --> 00:22:17,879 Speaker 4: in some beautiful words like of buying for the people 425 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:20,399 Speaker 4: in that constitution, there is a reason why they did that, 426 00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,359 Speaker 4: because that is where the power should be. 427 00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 3: The power should be within the states. 428 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 4: And unfortunately, I think with governors like your current governor, 429 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:31,360 Speaker 4: even though she should be for by the people, she's 430 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 4: not right, I mean, And unfortunately that is the most 431 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,280 Speaker 4: successful states are when they are reminded and when they 432 00:22:38,320 --> 00:22:42,480 Speaker 4: actually truly act like this state is for a form 433 00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,159 Speaker 4: by the people, right, and that they need to do 434 00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:49,800 Speaker 4: whatever they can to actually do what's best for the people, 435 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,200 Speaker 4: and that's what's not what is best for the government 436 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:54,720 Speaker 4: within that state. Or on a federal basis, and so 437 00:22:55,400 --> 00:22:57,960 Speaker 4: I think, again, there's so much work on these blue 438 00:22:58,000 --> 00:23:00,600 Speaker 4: states versus red states that's out there. I mean, the 439 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:04,120 Speaker 4: data is so apparent. We just need to as I'll 440 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,440 Speaker 4: call it as a party, as conservatives or as a 441 00:23:06,480 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 4: Republican party, to really be able to communicate the message better. Right, 442 00:23:11,920 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 4: It's all about how we tell the story. The left 443 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 4: is really great tutor. If I have to give them 444 00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 4: kudos for one thing, it's their storytelling abilities. 445 00:23:21,359 --> 00:23:23,760 Speaker 3: Yes, I mean from the White House all the way down. 446 00:23:23,840 --> 00:23:26,359 Speaker 4: I mean, shoot, the White House right now should be given, 447 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,480 Speaker 4: you know, fiction awards for their fiction stories that they 448 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:31,880 Speaker 4: came up with. But they are really good at this. 449 00:23:32,119 --> 00:23:35,359 Speaker 4: We're really bad at telling our stories and helping people 450 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:40,520 Speaker 4: understand why our way of governing is really the best way, 451 00:23:40,600 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 4: because that produces the most freedom and the most quite frankly, 452 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:49,440 Speaker 4: the most opportunity for people to succeed. 453 00:23:49,880 --> 00:23:51,880 Speaker 2: And I think that's why you see some of our 454 00:23:51,920 --> 00:23:55,960 Speaker 2: most successful states are run by people who are former 455 00:23:56,040 --> 00:23:59,320 Speaker 2: businessmen and women. And then that's a great training ground 456 00:23:59,359 --> 00:24:02,679 Speaker 2: to go on to the presidency because when you are 457 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:06,199 Speaker 2: talking about being in that position, there's a lot of 458 00:24:06,280 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 2: foreign policy that you have to do that mimics what 459 00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 2: you would do in business, that mimics how you would 460 00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:15,440 Speaker 2: handle those big deals and those partnerships. I think that's 461 00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:19,400 Speaker 2: something that as we look at this presidential election, it's 462 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,960 Speaker 2: just going to be interesting to see how people interact, 463 00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,280 Speaker 2: how they've been able to work on the economy in 464 00:24:24,359 --> 00:24:27,960 Speaker 2: their states, and that's something that we really have to 465 00:24:28,040 --> 00:24:31,119 Speaker 2: keep in mind. But for the I think it'll be 466 00:24:31,240 --> 00:24:34,720 Speaker 2: twenty six when we'll have several governor's races all again. 467 00:24:35,240 --> 00:24:38,200 Speaker 2: In twenty three and twenty four we just have a few, 468 00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:41,160 Speaker 2: but twenty six that's a time for us to really 469 00:24:41,200 --> 00:24:43,760 Speaker 2: talk about what that leadership means at the top of 470 00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:44,200 Speaker 2: the state. 471 00:24:44,400 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: But I love what you're doing. 472 00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:50,360 Speaker 2: Tell our listeners where to get the book again when 473 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 2: it comes out. 474 00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:55,040 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's actually available at Amazon, of course, like everything 475 00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:59,800 Speaker 4: else is. But The Real Race Revolutionaries. It's great as 476 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:03,960 Speaker 4: a quick read, ninety nine pages. I promise you'll probably 477 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:05,960 Speaker 4: get through it in three. 478 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:06,560 Speaker 3: Hours or less. 479 00:25:07,240 --> 00:25:09,760 Speaker 4: But it's got some great data, some great information that 480 00:25:09,840 --> 00:25:12,280 Speaker 4: really debunks a lot of this stuff that you hear, 481 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 4: you know, coming from the left, And quite frankly, personally, 482 00:25:17,520 --> 00:25:20,000 Speaker 4: I am so offended and insulted from some of the 483 00:25:20,000 --> 00:25:22,920 Speaker 4: stuff that's coming from the left that basically says I'm 484 00:25:22,960 --> 00:25:25,399 Speaker 4: too dumb, you know, to be able to do this 485 00:25:25,560 --> 00:25:28,160 Speaker 4: on my own, and that I just need the government 486 00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 4: to save me. Yeah, I mean, I just need the 487 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:31,800 Speaker 4: government to get out of the way. I need to 488 00:25:32,080 --> 00:25:34,639 Speaker 4: get you know, lower my taxes, lower my red tape, 489 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:36,720 Speaker 4: and you know, let me go at it. I mean, 490 00:25:36,760 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 4: I'm willing to take the risk. Let me then be 491 00:25:39,160 --> 00:25:41,880 Speaker 4: able to benefit from the full reward, right. 492 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:45,520 Speaker 2: And I think that people need to understand if you 493 00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:49,880 Speaker 2: get this book, this allows you to really talk intelligently, 494 00:25:49,920 --> 00:25:52,520 Speaker 2: and not to say that you're not speaking intelligently now, 495 00:25:52,560 --> 00:25:55,640 Speaker 2: but have those facts that you can talk to your friends, 496 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,919 Speaker 2: not offend them, talk to them with just facts and 497 00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:01,480 Speaker 2: say this is why these things matter, and this is 498 00:26:01,480 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 2: why it's so important. And I thank you for writing it. 499 00:26:03,920 --> 00:26:06,840 Speaker 2: Alfredo Ortiz. It's always a pleasure talking to you. He 500 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: is the CEO, president and CEO of Job Creators Network. 501 00:26:11,080 --> 00:26:11,680 Speaker 1: Check it out. 502 00:26:11,720 --> 00:26:14,159 Speaker 2: They do great work and I just appreciate having you 503 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:14,639 Speaker 2: on today. 504 00:26:14,920 --> 00:26:16,680 Speaker 3: Thanks Tudor, always a pleasure. 505 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,199 Speaker 2: And thank you all for joining me as usual on 506 00:26:19,280 --> 00:26:22,040 Speaker 2: the Tutor Dixon Podcast for this episode and others. Go 507 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:26,159 Speaker 2: to tutordisonpodcast dot com. You can subscribe right there, or 508 00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 2: go to the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 509 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 2: get your podcasts. 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