WEBVTT - Leeches: Oh Hell No!

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Stuff you Should Know, a production of I

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<v Speaker 1>Heart Radio. Hey, and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh,

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<v Speaker 1>and there's Chuck and Jerry's here. And this is the

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<v Speaker 1>leeches episode that we've all been waiting for for about

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<v Speaker 1>a million years. Yeah, this is I love this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff though, because there's the general you know, stuff

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<v Speaker 1>you should know, classic bug slash animal kind of show. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>got it, but then you got your whole second half

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<v Speaker 1>of the episode, which is super interesting. Yep. I mean

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<v Speaker 1>the other stuff is interesting too, but you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, it's a it's a I know, it's a

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<v Speaker 1>basically a perfect stuff you should Know episode. Dave Ruce

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<v Speaker 1>called it a S Y s K softball as if too,

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<v Speaker 1>as if to say that he couldn't have gotten it wrong.

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<v Speaker 1>It was just too great of a stuff you should

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<v Speaker 1>know topic. Yeah, he did a great job, though, always does.

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<v Speaker 1>He did great Yep. So we're talking leeches, and I

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<v Speaker 1>think Chuck this actually this episode was inspired by our

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<v Speaker 1>dentistry episode where we talked about using medical leeches for

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<v Speaker 1>dentistry all the way up until like the nineteen teens.

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<v Speaker 1>I think leeches on the gums not a pleasant thought, no,

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<v Speaker 1>And it sounds bonkers and wacky um and repulsive, but

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<v Speaker 1>they have come back into fashion in some medical circles,

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<v Speaker 1>and not just like new ag circles, like actual medical circles.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like you said, we're gonna make this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of a two parter in a one one episode, let's

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<v Speaker 1>do it. So we're talking leeches, and we should probably

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<v Speaker 1>start with leech biology. And if you want to know

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<v Speaker 1>what a leech is, uh is cousin to, you need

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<v Speaker 1>look no further than a few inches underground and some

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<v Speaker 1>fertile soil at our friend the earthworm, which was another

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<v Speaker 1>great stuff you should know episode. Yeah, that was a

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<v Speaker 1>really good one. But yeah, if you want to get

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<v Speaker 1>up close and look at a leech, which you probably

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<v Speaker 1>are not prone to do, uh, they are ringed, just

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<v Speaker 1>like our little friends the earthworm. They have thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>segments in their little gross looking bodies and they inch

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<v Speaker 1>along like worms stew as well. They have you know,

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<v Speaker 1>a head sucker up at the front and a sucker

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<v Speaker 1>in the rear. No jokes necessary there, Yeah, oral an

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<v Speaker 1>anal is it really called the anal sucker. It's also

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<v Speaker 1>called the anterior imposterior sucker too, and or the party

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<v Speaker 1>in the this is in the front, party in the rear. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>I couldn't tell the day was joking. I figured it

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<v Speaker 1>was called an anal sucker, but uh yeah, they just

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<v Speaker 1>inch along just like an inch worm or a worm

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<v Speaker 1>might by expanding and contracting and using those suckers. That's right. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I saw that the the oral sucker, the the anterior sucker,

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<v Speaker 1>was the one that's typically used for feeding, and that

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<v Speaker 1>the sucker on the rear is the one that you

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<v Speaker 1>us to help propel the leech forward. Um. I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>see definitively that it can't feed on the rear anal sucker,

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<v Speaker 1>but um, it's possible it can't. I did see that

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<v Speaker 1>it's primarily used for locomotion, So whatever science writer wrote

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<v Speaker 1>that was hedging their bets. Yeah. The other thing I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was interesting was land leeches, which we're not going

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<v Speaker 1>to talk too much about because you know, most of

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<v Speaker 1>the leeches that we're acquainted with you will find in

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<v Speaker 1>the water. But land leeches do a a tick like thing,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're both bloodsuckers. Like remember how ticks will attach

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<v Speaker 1>to a plant and then just like start snapping their

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<v Speaker 1>little lobster claws everywhere hoping something walks by. Yeah, they're like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>come get me somebody. The land leach does a similar

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<v Speaker 1>thing and attaches the rear sucker to a branch or

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<v Speaker 1>a leaf or something and then just sort of does

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<v Speaker 1>a little shimmy shake with her head, hoping that something

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<v Speaker 1>will walk by so it can just stick its little

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<v Speaker 1>face into it. It's just there in chimmys and it's like,

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<v Speaker 1>you'd like this, huh, you'd like that, Come get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And they're both bloodsuckers, and they both do very desperate

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<v Speaker 1>things to attach to a body. I know they also

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<v Speaker 1>un I know tis Yeah, I know. Ticks and leeches

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<v Speaker 1>both also share the trait of um being able to

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<v Speaker 1>um detect c O two as a way to detect prey,

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<v Speaker 1>at least the land leeches too. So yeah, that definitely

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<v Speaker 1>stuck out to me as well. UM. And I feel

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<v Speaker 1>like there's some really great myths out there on the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet that we're gonna get to just um crush, crumble

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<v Speaker 1>myth crushers. Yeah, that's perfect myth. We're gonna crush those myths, um.

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<v Speaker 1>And one of them is that leeches have thirty two brains,

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<v Speaker 1>which is definitively false. No, they have thirty two body segments.

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<v Speaker 1>And you will see people on the internet that say

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<v Speaker 1>they have a brain in each segment, but they don't.

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<v Speaker 1>They have to brains, one up front and one in

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<v Speaker 1>the back, and like a lot of little critters that

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<v Speaker 1>can be cut off and still function. You can cut

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<v Speaker 1>their brain off and they can survive and do quite well. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>The reason that people say thirty two brains, by the way,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what Google says. If you just type in leech brain,

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<v Speaker 1>it serves you up leech has thirty two brains. There's ganglia,

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<v Speaker 1>which are basically relay stations between these two brains in

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<v Speaker 1>each of the segment, and those segments can those ganglia

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<v Speaker 1>can make each segment function autonomously and be responsible for

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<v Speaker 1>some other stuff. So that's why people are like, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>each one's a brain, but it's it's really not. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not each a brain. It's just kind of like an extended,

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<v Speaker 1>stretched out segmented brain. Yeah, but they're notren't thirty two

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<v Speaker 1>ganglia either, right, The ones on each end are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fused together, so there's twenty one total. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I saw. See that the computers are all wrong. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>Google's got it wrong again. It's the computer, right. Sure,

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<v Speaker 1>it sounds like, Wow, I'm really getting old. The computer

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<v Speaker 1>is wrong. Yeah, it's you sound like somebody who like

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<v Speaker 1>types under the keyboard like this, right, computers wrong? Remember

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<v Speaker 1>what I said to you, like fourteen years ago before

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<v Speaker 1>we were even podcast hos, I remember what I say.

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<v Speaker 1>You pay me the high compliment of saying that when

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<v Speaker 1>I type, I type very loudly, especially when I'm into it,

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<v Speaker 1>that it sounds like the loneous monk away. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>believe you remember that. Oh yeah, it was a very

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<v Speaker 1>high compliment as far as I took it, like I

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<v Speaker 1>had a tattooed on my arm bit, my inner arm bit,

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<v Speaker 1>and I made you me get the same type. She's like,

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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't make sense, but I love you. Uh so.

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<v Speaker 1>Leech species are about six to seven hundred of them,

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<v Speaker 1>and they generally fall into three categories depending on what

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<v Speaker 1>they eat. Um because you know, we know they're blood suckers,

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<v Speaker 1>but not all of them are exclusively blood suckers. No,

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<v Speaker 1>And if they're blood suckers, they are called two of

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<v Speaker 1>the greatest words. Take your pick, uh sanguivorous or hamado

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<v Speaker 1>fadgis either way, it means that they subsist on blood.

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<v Speaker 1>They're not. They don't want any of your skin or

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<v Speaker 1>your flesh, or your muscles or great steak. They just

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<v Speaker 1>want the blood. But yeah, like you said, not all

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<v Speaker 1>of them are are blood suckers. There's some called worm

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<v Speaker 1>leeches that eat an entire invertebrates, very very small invertebrates.

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<v Speaker 1>But they they don't they don't really care about the

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<v Speaker 1>blood or else they're they're not just interested in the blood.

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<v Speaker 1>But most leeches, as far as we as as we

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<v Speaker 1>think of leeches, are sanguivorous. Yeah, but the other two

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<v Speaker 1>categories are pretty horrifying. And how they get their blood

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<v Speaker 1>out It's like one sounds really bad and then the

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<v Speaker 1>next one doesn't sound much better. Kind of thing. Uh.

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<v Speaker 1>The jawed leeches the one that we're most uh commonly,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you're when you're watching stand by me

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<v Speaker 1>and poor little Will wheat and gets a leech on

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<v Speaker 1>his pp Which, now that we've seen that, and now

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<v Speaker 1>that I should say, now that we've researched this, they

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<v Speaker 1>got it so wrong. Those kids really did it wrong

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<v Speaker 1>when they remove the leeches, Oh for sure, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>probably unlikely that that leech would have made his way

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<v Speaker 1>to its pp that quickly. Yeah, you never know. I

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<v Speaker 1>heard they do like kind of a warm, secluded area

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<v Speaker 1>to do their work. Will Eaton used to listen to

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<v Speaker 1>the show. I wonder I doubt if he still does.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh shout out to two thousand ten. Will He's like,

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<v Speaker 1>quit talking about my BP. But that's the jawed leech,

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<v Speaker 1>the one that you know, the one that's kind of

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<v Speaker 1>the most common and most familiar with. And it's we're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk about medicinal leeches later. That's what they use there.

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<v Speaker 1>But these things will feed on almost anything that they

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<v Speaker 1>can latch onto that has blood. Um, mammals, frogs, birds, fish,

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<v Speaker 1>basically anything that can get a hold of that has

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<v Speaker 1>blood it will latch onto. They strongly prefer mammals, though

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<v Speaker 1>the rest of this stuff is just kind of junk

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<v Speaker 1>food basically formed from where I can tell. Can we

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<v Speaker 1>talk just for a second about how the jawed leeches, um,

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<v Speaker 1>how they do their thing. Yeah, with those little razor

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<v Speaker 1>sharp teeth, let's do it. It's scary. So they have

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<v Speaker 1>like if you look at a picture of a jawed

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<v Speaker 1>leech mouth, everybody says it looks like a Mercedes emblem,

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<v Speaker 1>and and it does. There's really no better way to

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<v Speaker 1>put it. But if you zoom in closer, there's a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of little teeth on there right called denticles, and

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<v Speaker 1>they act as like circular saws. So like the leech

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<v Speaker 1>itself starts making this kind of sucking motion or inhale

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<v Speaker 1>exhale really quickly and creates us like suction within its

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<v Speaker 1>body cavity. So when it's when it puts its lips

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<v Speaker 1>on you, it actually creates suction. And then when it

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<v Speaker 1>uses those little denticles that act as like little circular saws,

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<v Speaker 1>it just keeps sawing deeper and deeper into your skin,

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<v Speaker 1>finally reaching a blood vessel. When it strikes gold, red gold,

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<v Speaker 1>which you and I would call blood, it just sucks

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<v Speaker 1>out into the leach because it's created a vacuum pump. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and I love this. Where did you get this, uh

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<v Speaker 1>that that you sent? Do you remember? I think pure

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<v Speaker 1>side of the Day. I don't remember I wrote down

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<v Speaker 1>everything else, but this might be the paraside of the

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<v Speaker 1>day site because it sounds like like this one part

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<v Speaker 1>sounds like it was written by a Midwestern exterminator. When

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<v Speaker 1>they're talking about anything basically can attach to anything like sandpaper, glass, paper, velcrow,

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<v Speaker 1>fine wire, plastic, wicker work, fabric. Yeah, just like lists

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<v Speaker 1>all these weird things out that I guess that they've

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<v Speaker 1>put a leech on and it's stuck to. That was

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<v Speaker 1>a great Midwestern impression. By the way, it says even

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<v Speaker 1>vertically positioned surfaces coated with vasoline are no major problem

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<v Speaker 1>for a leech to climb. Uh. The deal with these

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<v Speaker 1>teetho is that they're so sharp that it's more scalpel

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<v Speaker 1>like in the I mean, a leech bike can hurt

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<v Speaker 1>mainly in land leeches, but it's not. When you hear

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<v Speaker 1>like razor teeth, you think it would be super painful.

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<v Speaker 1>But they're so sharp that they really don't hurt that bad. Right. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>and let's crumble another myth here. You want to sure

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<v Speaker 1>leech saliva contains anesthetic myth or not? Uh? By the way,

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<v Speaker 1>I like that, we're myth crumblers now instead of crushers. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>that's right, I like crumbler better. Okay, cool, Um, that

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<v Speaker 1>is a myth. Awesome, Yes, another myth crumbled boom. There's

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<v Speaker 1>a TV show in there, I think, I think so.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very graphics heavy, like whenever we do the myth,

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<v Speaker 1>it'll just crumble away. Look a cookie. Oh that's a great,

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<v Speaker 1>that's great, but it will use it as a wipe

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<v Speaker 1>from one scene to the other. You and your wipes,

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait. Go ahead and say it, Star White

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<v Speaker 1>Star wipe, the king of all wipes. Yeah, but this

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<v Speaker 1>crumble wipe, we really might be onto something. Uh yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there is no I mean you can find textbooks that

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<v Speaker 1>that say that too, right, Yeah, it's it's all over

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<v Speaker 1>the place. There's a lot of misinformation about leeches, it

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<v Speaker 1>turns out, but that is one that and they do

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<v Speaker 1>have all sorts of cool stuff in their saliva um

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<v Speaker 1>that are amazing. They do amazing things, and we'll talk

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<v Speaker 1>more about those, but those are not Uh. Anesthetic is

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<v Speaker 1>not one of them. It's just that for the jawed leeches,

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<v Speaker 1>there there little semi circular denticals that they use as

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<v Speaker 1>circular saws are so sharp and there's they go so

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<v Speaker 1>um such a what's the word was the opposite of deep?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh so shallow into your skin that you you might

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<v Speaker 1>not feel them being there. That's what it is, right,

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<v Speaker 1>opposite a deep. They just can't pick one, uh, there's

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<v Speaker 1>also the jaw less leech. Was the other kind, which

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<v Speaker 1>includes the giant amazon leach, which can grow to what

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<v Speaker 1>like eighteen Yeah, look up a picture of these things.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's it's horrifying. How how long think about it?

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<v Speaker 1>They say that your wrist to your elbow is the

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<v Speaker 1>same length as your foot. Have you ever heard that?

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<v Speaker 1>I haven't, but I'm looking and there's no way my

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<v Speaker 1>foot smaller than that. That's I think that's an optical illusion,

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<v Speaker 1>is it really? Let's just say it is. So I've got, like,

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<v Speaker 1>I wear size eleven, and I could see that being

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<v Speaker 1>that that would mean that a leech is actually almost

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<v Speaker 1>one and a half times the length. One of those

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<v Speaker 1>leeches is one and a half times the length of

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<v Speaker 1>the distance from my wrist to my elbow. Can you

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<v Speaker 1>imagine having one of those on you? Not on me?

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<v Speaker 1>But when you look up photos of the giant amazon leach,

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<v Speaker 1>all you see your pictures of people with them, like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>I put it on my arm to show you how

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<v Speaker 1>big it is. It's yeah, it's frightening. Those are the

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<v Speaker 1>same people who seek out insects on the Schmidt stinging

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<v Speaker 1>pain index cycle. Uh, but this one, you know, I

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<v Speaker 1>said there were two different, equally horrifying ways in which

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<v Speaker 1>they can draw blood. This one doesn't have the circular

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<v Speaker 1>salt teeth. It has a hypodermic needle, basically a proboscis

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<v Speaker 1>that it sticks into your body and draws it out,

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<v Speaker 1>just like you would drawing blood. Yep, which I don't

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<v Speaker 1>know which is worse, the denticles, the three dentical saws,

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<v Speaker 1>or proboscis coming out of a leech. Can we take

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<v Speaker 1>a break and think about it. Yeah, let's all right,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll be right back. M h. What's your result? Which

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<v Speaker 1>is worse? I've decided I don't have to choose. I

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<v Speaker 1>think they're both terrible and awful, and I don't want

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<v Speaker 1>either one of them happening to me or anyone love

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<v Speaker 1>or care about. Oh thank you? Am I in that

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<v Speaker 1>group that includes you, Buddy, okay, Jerry, Jerry of course? Sure, Dave, yes,

0:15:09.960 --> 0:15:14.200
<v Speaker 1>Dave too? Who else you got? What about the other? Dave? Sure?

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<v Speaker 1>Dave Kustin, M I'm sorry, Dave Kuston, sure for sure.

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<v Speaker 1>Olivia Julia Layton grab grab sir Frank chair. Oh yeah, sure,

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<v Speaker 1>of course. Remember when he used to have our regular

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<v Speaker 1>guest producers just float in and out. There's Matt Noel

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<v Speaker 1>care about them too, don't want leeches on them either.

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<v Speaker 1>Who else guests produced us? I don't know. I'm sure

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<v Speaker 1>there are people out there that actually know this though.

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<v Speaker 1>My friend I forgot to say something at the top

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<v Speaker 1>of this episode, and I wonder if you can indulge

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<v Speaker 1>me on a tangent of epic proportions. Yes, my sweet

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<v Speaker 1>niece Mila, I think I've told you before. She's gotten

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<v Speaker 1>some parts of movies. The big one, her first big

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<v Speaker 1>one where she's like one of the main characters, is

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<v Speaker 1>coming out February on Hulu. It's huge. It's a big

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<v Speaker 1>twentieth Century Fox production called No Exit. It will be

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<v Speaker 1>out on Hulu on February. She does. I saw the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>She gave me chills. She plays a kidnapped young girl

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<v Speaker 1>who is just terrified and has to be rescued by

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<v Speaker 1>a slightly older girl, Havannah Rose Lou. Wow, that's super exciting.

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<v Speaker 1>It is very exciting. We're all very proud, and I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to make sure everybody knew about it in case

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<v Speaker 1>you wanted to see it in a cash calumar right,

0:16:43.560 --> 0:16:47.560
<v Speaker 1>yeah's rolling in it. She couldn't even drive. She's got

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<v Speaker 1>like a whole garage full of cars already. Wow, that

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<v Speaker 1>is super cool. That is awesome. Uh, my daughter is

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<v Speaker 1>funny and fun but like she can't act up. Tried

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<v Speaker 1>to see if she could. She can't. It takes a

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<v Speaker 1>lot more than personnel city. Like, you've got to really

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<v Speaker 1>have talent. It's absolutely true. It's like really tough for

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<v Speaker 1>an adult to watch a child actor most of the time.

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<v Speaker 1>If she does superbly well, I mean she's well, that's

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<v Speaker 1>what I was saying. We're all really really proud of her.

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<v Speaker 1>She does like actual great work in this movie. So

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<v Speaker 1>way to go, Mila, Way to go Milan. Uh, to

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<v Speaker 1>me a text when that's out so we can watch it. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>I will. I'll send you the trailer too, all right,

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<v Speaker 1>So back to leeches. Oh yeah, definitely sending the trailer.

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<v Speaker 1>Um they are. I mean, we have fossils of leeches

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<v Speaker 1>from four million years ago, and they do it seems

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<v Speaker 1>like they can see better when they're younger. They do

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<v Speaker 1>have what's called simple eyes where they can kind of

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<v Speaker 1>see blurry, shadowy, fuzzy things. Uh, and the young uns

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<v Speaker 1>kind of rely on that. But I think when they

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<v Speaker 1>get older, I guess their eyesight either fails or they

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<v Speaker 1>just get so good at sensing vibration that they don't

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<v Speaker 1>really need those eyes. Yeah, I read that it's the latter.

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<v Speaker 1>That they they're so good at sensing vibrations. They have

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<v Speaker 1>little hairs on their bodies that act as century organs

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<v Speaker 1>so that they can they can detect like movement in

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<v Speaker 1>the water. And I'll tell you what, I can really

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<v Speaker 1>relate to leeches because after I saw my niece Mila

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<v Speaker 1>and the trailer for No Exit coming out February, the

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<v Speaker 1>hairs on my arm we're standing on and I could

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<v Speaker 1>have detected vibrations in water with those things. That is

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<v Speaker 1>a Hodgemen level plug. Thank you. It's good. Leeches. No, no no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>we don't need Leeches are amazing swimmers. Uh. They can

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<v Speaker 1>kind of inch along in the water very definitely. And

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<v Speaker 1>then when they hit your skin, they're gonna probably not

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<v Speaker 1>go towards your bits, but they will probably hit you

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<v Speaker 1>around the ankles or the shins or someplace and try

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<v Speaker 1>and do their thing down there. Because it's thin skin,

0:18:43.560 --> 0:18:47.439
<v Speaker 1>they have less to deal with. Um. So one of

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<v Speaker 1>the things we said that there um there, they're saliva

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<v Speaker 1>really does have some pretty neat compounds in it, and

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<v Speaker 1>like things that science is just now you know that

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<v Speaker 1>whole arrogance of science that science went through after it

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<v Speaker 1>was like, oh, all this is just witchcraft and folk magic.

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<v Speaker 1>We can't be associated with this, and they turn their

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<v Speaker 1>backs on some like legitimately good stuff. Leeches was one

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<v Speaker 1>of them, and they're just now as we'll talk about

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<v Speaker 1>coming back around to like really looking into leeches, because

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<v Speaker 1>they're kind of a medical marvel gift from nature itself.

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<v Speaker 1>And the reason why is because in its saliva it

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<v Speaker 1>contains a bunch of chemicals, not the least of which

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<v Speaker 1>is called I believe here you didn't you think I'm

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<v Speaker 1>pronouncing that correctly. That sounds right, I'm thinking here, you didn't.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, it's a and we'll talk about it more

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<v Speaker 1>in depth in a minute. But it is pretty amazing

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<v Speaker 1>that this thing that allows them just to feed better

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<v Speaker 1>because it thins the blood and it doesn't coagulate and

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<v Speaker 1>it just gives them dinner. It's pretty amazing that it

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<v Speaker 1>actually has like legitimate medical properties. Yeah, because it's so

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<v Speaker 1>powerful when that leech and injects some of its saliva

0:19:56.720 --> 0:19:59.840
<v Speaker 1>containing here you didn't in it um, like your blood

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<v Speaker 1>starts flowing. And one of the things you'll find is

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<v Speaker 1>that if you get a leech bite, once that leech

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<v Speaker 1>is gone, whether you get it off of yourself or

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<v Speaker 1>it fills up and wanders off, you're gonna still keep

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<v Speaker 1>bleeding for up to ten hours afterward because that here

0:20:14.840 --> 0:20:17.840
<v Speaker 1>it in is so so powerful as as far as

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<v Speaker 1>anticoagulants go. Also, so there's another compound in there. I

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<v Speaker 1>can't remember which one it is, but it's a vasodilator,

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<v Speaker 1>which means it opens up your blood vessel so that

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<v Speaker 1>more blood pumps out more freely. Yeah, I mean this

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<v Speaker 1>is a little evolutionary miracle of a of a well

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<v Speaker 1>it's not a bug, but slug. Yeah. Uh. They will

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<v Speaker 1>drink blood like crazy. They will drink as much as

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<v Speaker 1>ten times their body weight sometimes because they're a bit

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<v Speaker 1>like the camel of the of the lake in that

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<v Speaker 1>they go a year or so, sometimes many months at

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<v Speaker 1>least between meals and they can store this stuff up

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<v Speaker 1>and a little power where they have these enzymes because

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<v Speaker 1>you know, blood will eventually go bad, but they have

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<v Speaker 1>enzymes that protect it and keep it fresh. Yeah. And

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<v Speaker 1>there's another thing that they're studying with leeches these days

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<v Speaker 1>is it's um, it's a microbiota and its stomach and

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<v Speaker 1>it's gut, just like they're studying our microbiota, which I

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<v Speaker 1>think is the most fascinating thing of all time. They're

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<v Speaker 1>also setting leeches to figure out what's going on in

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<v Speaker 1>there to keep the blood from spoiling, because you know,

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<v Speaker 1>they might go six months or a year between meals.

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<v Speaker 1>It doesn't take them that long to digest it, but

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<v Speaker 1>it still takes weeks and weeks for a leech to

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<v Speaker 1>digest its its meal. And it takes long enough that,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean a leach probably only feeds a few times

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<v Speaker 1>in its life, I believe, yeah, because they don't live

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<v Speaker 1>that long. I mean, but I think no more than

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<v Speaker 1>a few years probably max. That would be my guess.

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<v Speaker 1>As well, we should talk about the tyrant king leech,

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<v Speaker 1>the Taranta della rex and this is a one jawed

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<v Speaker 1>sucker that uh is also in the Amazon River. And

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<v Speaker 1>these are the stuff of nightmares because this is one

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<v Speaker 1>of those leeches that's like, forget the ankle, forget the shin.

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<v Speaker 1>What I really like is to get inside of you

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<v Speaker 1>and up in that mucus membrane so it will get

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<v Speaker 1>into your nasal cavity. You can be a kid, and

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<v Speaker 1>there are many reports of kids and teenagers who were

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<v Speaker 1>bathing in the Amazon or playing in the Amazon and

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<v Speaker 1>ended up with a leech up their nose or somewhere

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<v Speaker 1>like deep within their nasal cavity, which is the stuff

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<v Speaker 1>of nightmares to me. It gets even worse than that

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<v Speaker 1>because they found these kinds of leeches in eyeballs, like

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<v Speaker 1>attached to the mucus membrane around your eyeball, your urethra

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<v Speaker 1>so so much they will block the your ability to pee,

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<v Speaker 1>your anus or your vagina, have one there than the

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<v Speaker 1>other two places, or your vagina. They found leeches in vaginas,

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<v Speaker 1>these kind of leeches. And the other worst part about them, Chuck,

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<v Speaker 1>is that you know a leech that's feeding on you externally,

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<v Speaker 1>like a typical jawed leech. It'll feed for maybe twenty

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<v Speaker 1>to thirty minutes something like that. These guys stick around

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<v Speaker 1>for weeks, maybe months, And sometimes people detect that they

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<v Speaker 1>have one of these internal leeches because they they they

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<v Speaker 1>feel what's called foreign body movement, like there's something moving

0:23:20.160 --> 0:23:23.399
<v Speaker 1>around inside of them and their bodies like m I

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<v Speaker 1>might want to get this checked out, because I'm about

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<v Speaker 1>to puke everything up right now. Oh man, I just

0:23:29.720 --> 0:23:31.399
<v Speaker 1>can't help but think of when I pulled that spider

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<v Speaker 1>out of Emily's ear cavity and she was like, it's

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<v Speaker 1>something like buzzing, Like that's not a good sign. Oh man,

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<v Speaker 1>that was so funny. I mean, it was funny for me,

0:23:42.760 --> 0:23:44.920
<v Speaker 1>and she handled it pretty well. I gotta say, can

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<v Speaker 1>we read that thing from eight thirty five since we're

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<v Speaker 1>just at the maybe the grossest part of this whole episode.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, go ahead, hit it. Do you know the

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<v Speaker 1>one I'm talking about? I think so? Yeah. Okay, So

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<v Speaker 1>there was a there was a case study that mentioned

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<v Speaker 1>on a site, a historian site called Jerry Walton dot

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<v Speaker 1>com g E. R. I Walton dot com, who is

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<v Speaker 1>a historian, and she wrote about a girl who was

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<v Speaker 1>gathering watercress in and there was a leech that went

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<v Speaker 1>around her ankle and then for some reason, the leech

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<v Speaker 1>made its way all the way into the girl's leg

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<v Speaker 1>and just climbed up to her thigh where finally her

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<v Speaker 1>thigh was about twice it's natural size, tents red and

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<v Speaker 1>shining and very painful. And finally the doctor like cut

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<v Speaker 1>out this blood clot of blood and puss, he says,

0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:40.600
<v Speaker 1>which you say, which he drained and emptied into a bowl.

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<v Speaker 1>On emptying the matter from the bowl on a clean

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<v Speaker 1>flag outside the door, the girl's mother was surprised to

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<v Speaker 1>find among it a leech, coiled up, quite alive and

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<v Speaker 1>moving actively. Yeah, I mean, this isn't something leeches are

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<v Speaker 1>known to do, like burrow and move around inside your body,

0:24:56.760 --> 0:24:59.920
<v Speaker 1>like from the skin, like they'll crawl up your nose

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<v Speaker 1>or if you swallow one. This um limnatis uh niloticta

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<v Speaker 1>is one of the ones that doesn't have the power

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<v Speaker 1>to break the skin with its little teeth or jaw,

0:25:10.920 --> 0:25:13.440
<v Speaker 1>so it it hangs around and waits for you to

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<v Speaker 1>drink it, or a cow to drink it, so like

0:25:15.800 --> 0:25:17.560
<v Speaker 1>they'll get in that way. But they are not known

0:25:17.600 --> 0:25:19.919
<v Speaker 1>to generally do what happened in this girl right now,

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<v Speaker 1>which is why a hundred and eighty five years later,

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<v Speaker 1>eighty seven years later, we're talking about it on stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>You should know because it is so messed up that

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<v Speaker 1>almost fainted when I first read it, And it takes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot to make me feel like I could faint

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<v Speaker 1>if I if I don't stop imagining like putting myself

0:25:39.400 --> 0:25:42.680
<v Speaker 1>here in this situation. Yeah, I mean that's horrifying. Um

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:47.040
<v Speaker 1>hasn't happened a ton since then, because that was right, right, No,

0:25:47.200 --> 0:25:49.119
<v Speaker 1>it is extremely rare. And even like you said, that

0:25:49.160 --> 0:25:52.600
<v Speaker 1>one that will um that will like when you you'll

0:25:52.680 --> 0:25:56.000
<v Speaker 1>drink it up and it attaches um. That's actually killed.

0:25:56.040 --> 0:25:59.480
<v Speaker 1>Some people famously killed some of napoleon soldiers in Egypt

0:25:59.480 --> 0:26:03.320
<v Speaker 1>and seventeen. They drank from a water source that a leech,

0:26:03.880 --> 0:26:07.520
<v Speaker 1>some leeches attached to like their esophagus, and as they

0:26:07.520 --> 0:26:11.040
<v Speaker 1>became engorged from feeding, it blocked the soldiers airways and

0:26:11.080 --> 0:26:14.160
<v Speaker 1>some of them died from suffocation. Yeah, I mean, what's

0:26:14.160 --> 0:26:16.800
<v Speaker 1>probably not gonna happen almost certainly, as you're not gonna

0:26:16.920 --> 0:26:20.320
<v Speaker 1>be bled out by leeches. But there have been cases

0:26:20.359 --> 0:26:23.000
<v Speaker 1>where people have gone to the emergency room with like

0:26:23.080 --> 0:26:25.960
<v Speaker 1>more than a hundred leeches on them and they were

0:26:26.160 --> 0:26:30.840
<v Speaker 1>anemic or lightheaded or both, and so that can happen.

0:26:30.920 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 1>But you're generally not going to die from a leech, I'll,

0:26:33.840 --> 0:26:37.399
<v Speaker 1>you know, unless you're in Napoleon's army, right right. The

0:26:37.480 --> 0:26:40.240
<v Speaker 1>need deserved it. So you want to talk about how

0:26:40.680 --> 0:26:47.200
<v Speaker 1>leeches reproduced because that's pretty interesting as well. Sure they're hermaphroditic. Yep,

0:26:47.640 --> 0:26:51.120
<v Speaker 1>they have male and female sex organs. Uh, they are

0:26:51.240 --> 0:26:54.920
<v Speaker 1>internal sex organs, and they do make you know. They

0:26:54.960 --> 0:26:58.960
<v Speaker 1>have uh, they have sperm, they have eggs, they have ovaries,

0:26:59.680 --> 0:27:02.679
<v Speaker 1>and in order to mate, they get together. And I

0:27:02.680 --> 0:27:05.240
<v Speaker 1>thought we had talked about this before. It was some

0:27:05.480 --> 0:27:10.000
<v Speaker 1>insect that did something similar, probably ticks maybe, where they

0:27:10.040 --> 0:27:12.160
<v Speaker 1>attached to each other and kind of just line up

0:27:12.600 --> 0:27:17.960
<v Speaker 1>where their parts should be and the sort of fit.

0:27:18.119 --> 0:27:22.280
<v Speaker 1>The male produces a container like a syringe light container

0:27:22.280 --> 0:27:26.160
<v Speaker 1>of sperm called a spermataphor, and it pierces the skin

0:27:26.320 --> 0:27:29.080
<v Speaker 1>near that sex organ, and I guess they say it's

0:27:29.160 --> 0:27:33.320
<v Speaker 1>close enough for rock and roll. And they somehow find

0:27:33.359 --> 0:27:36.120
<v Speaker 1>a way to the ovaries, and then they produce these

0:27:36.119 --> 0:27:39.359
<v Speaker 1>little cocoons that are very hardy. Yeah, out of a

0:27:39.400 --> 0:27:42.440
<v Speaker 1>little part of their body called the clitellum. It produces

0:27:42.440 --> 0:27:46.760
<v Speaker 1>a thick fluid that the the fertilized eggs are are

0:27:46.840 --> 0:27:49.679
<v Speaker 1>enshrouded in in that cocoon. And then they attached the

0:27:49.680 --> 0:27:52.360
<v Speaker 1>cocoons to like plants or put them in the mud

0:27:52.440 --> 0:27:55.280
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. In a few weeks or months later,

0:27:55.880 --> 0:27:58.960
<v Speaker 1>um baby leeches hatch and and they just they hatch

0:27:59.040 --> 0:28:02.160
<v Speaker 1>like fully formed and just grow over time as they

0:28:02.240 --> 0:28:07.639
<v Speaker 1>feed um. But they they do this reciprocally. Yeah, that

0:28:07.720 --> 0:28:12.760
<v Speaker 1>was right. Where each leech fertilizes one another's eggs. So

0:28:13.480 --> 0:28:18.520
<v Speaker 1>as the leeches um mate, they are um fertilizing one

0:28:18.560 --> 0:28:24.040
<v Speaker 1>another's eggs. They're both receiving amp and sending um sperm.

0:28:24.080 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>And it's pretty neat. It's it's kind of a real

0:28:26.520 --> 0:28:29.720
<v Speaker 1>tip for ted arrangement. It is. And those cocoons are

0:28:29.760 --> 0:28:33.240
<v Speaker 1>really hardy. Dave talks about it, says that they're tough

0:28:33.320 --> 0:28:36.479
<v Speaker 1>enough to be swallowed by waterfowl and just go right

0:28:36.520 --> 0:28:39.560
<v Speaker 1>through them and come out the other end and be okay,

0:28:39.680 --> 0:28:43.000
<v Speaker 1>which gave rise to the famous saying that went through

0:28:43.040 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>me like a leech cocoon through a waterfowl, which is

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:55.320
<v Speaker 1>what I always say. Sure, no, it was good. What

0:28:55.400 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 1>about the kangaroo leach? I think that one bears mentioning

0:28:57.920 --> 0:29:01.000
<v Speaker 1>as well too, as as far as reproduct. Yeah, they kangrew.

0:29:01.400 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>I mean, these things come out kind of ready to

0:29:03.840 --> 0:29:05.680
<v Speaker 1>take on the world. They don't need a lot of care,

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.760
<v Speaker 1>but they are doting parents in some cases, which is

0:29:08.760 --> 0:29:13.000
<v Speaker 1>pretty interesting, especially the kangaroo leach, which has a little

0:29:13.360 --> 0:29:16.480
<v Speaker 1>a little pouch like a marsupial does, and they carry

0:29:16.480 --> 0:29:19.280
<v Speaker 1>around their little leech in the pouch until they're ready

0:29:19.320 --> 0:29:22.920
<v Speaker 1>to think for themselves, which is sort of adorable and

0:29:22.960 --> 0:29:26.320
<v Speaker 1>so and this definitely was from the Daily Parasite dot com,

0:29:26.440 --> 0:29:30.400
<v Speaker 1>but they said that the leech um basically shoots them

0:29:30.640 --> 0:29:34.600
<v Speaker 1>the pouch of baby leeches explosively onto a passing frog

0:29:34.720 --> 0:29:36.800
<v Speaker 1>when it's ready, when it says like, fly away, a

0:29:36.800 --> 0:29:39.520
<v Speaker 1>little Berris's time for you to to live on your own,

0:29:39.840 --> 0:29:41.920
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that they get a good first meal.

0:29:42.360 --> 0:29:45.560
<v Speaker 1>So some poor frog gets splattered with baby leeches because

0:29:45.560 --> 0:29:47.320
<v Speaker 1>because it happened to be in the wrong place at

0:29:47.320 --> 0:29:52.200
<v Speaker 1>the wrong time. I mean, I wonder if I know

0:29:52.280 --> 0:29:54.280
<v Speaker 1>what they can't kill a human? Can leech just kill

0:29:54.400 --> 0:29:57.320
<v Speaker 1>a sure fish or a frog? I think they can

0:29:57.400 --> 0:30:00.080
<v Speaker 1>kill livestock if if you don't get them off. I

0:30:00.120 --> 0:30:02.120
<v Speaker 1>think one of the reasons they have trouble killing humans

0:30:02.160 --> 0:30:04.800
<v Speaker 1>is because we have opposable thumbs, and we can get

0:30:04.840 --> 0:30:07.520
<v Speaker 1>them off. We can get them off a lot easily easier.

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.479
<v Speaker 1>I read that poor elephants will will be driven like

0:30:10.760 --> 0:30:13.800
<v Speaker 1>almost crazy when a leech gets up inside of its

0:30:13.800 --> 0:30:16.280
<v Speaker 1>trunk like, and I thought, yeah, there's a lot of

0:30:16.440 --> 0:30:19.400
<v Speaker 1>like animals are just s o l in a lot

0:30:19.440 --> 0:30:21.680
<v Speaker 1>of cases. So yeah, I think they can think they

0:30:21.680 --> 0:30:24.200
<v Speaker 1>can kill animals because they can't get them off as easy.

0:30:24.680 --> 0:30:27.720
<v Speaker 1>Poor elephants. I know, I feel sucking that water up

0:30:27.920 --> 0:30:32.800
<v Speaker 1>have been fun mhmm, very sad. So I say we talk.

0:30:32.960 --> 0:30:35.720
<v Speaker 1>We we give everybody, the good people, some advice about

0:30:35.760 --> 0:30:37.680
<v Speaker 1>how to get rid of a leech if you find

0:30:37.720 --> 0:30:39.600
<v Speaker 1>one on you, and then let's take a break hop

0:30:39.600 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>about that. Yeah, like I said, you don't need to

0:30:42.520 --> 0:30:45.120
<v Speaker 1>be too freaked out, even though it's pretty scary looking.

0:30:45.760 --> 0:30:48.400
<v Speaker 1>They're not poisonous, you're not. They don't carry or they

0:30:48.400 --> 0:30:51.400
<v Speaker 1>haven't at least been known to carry um human blood

0:30:51.440 --> 0:30:54.880
<v Speaker 1>born diseases. Yeah, anytime there's like a blood sucker, you

0:30:54.960 --> 0:30:56.480
<v Speaker 1>kind of might want to worry about that, but not

0:30:56.560 --> 0:30:59.480
<v Speaker 1>in this case. But what you want to do is

0:30:59.560 --> 0:31:02.720
<v Speaker 1>don't panic and just tear it off of you because

0:31:02.960 --> 0:31:05.720
<v Speaker 1>it might detaching, part of it might get left kind

0:31:05.720 --> 0:31:07.120
<v Speaker 1>of like a tick. Again, you don't want any of

0:31:07.120 --> 0:31:10.040
<v Speaker 1>it left in your skin, right right, because that that

0:31:10.240 --> 0:31:15.560
<v Speaker 1>remnant usually the jaw can get infected um. And another

0:31:15.560 --> 0:31:16.880
<v Speaker 1>one that you want to do is you don't want

0:31:16.920 --> 0:31:18.640
<v Speaker 1>to treat it too rough, like you might want to

0:31:18.680 --> 0:31:21.680
<v Speaker 1>beat it up and and um and really show it

0:31:21.720 --> 0:31:23.520
<v Speaker 1>who's boss, but you don't. You want to treat it

0:31:23.600 --> 0:31:27.680
<v Speaker 1>very gently because if you like squeeze a leech or

0:31:27.760 --> 0:31:30.800
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people recommend putting a little table salt

0:31:30.960 --> 0:31:33.360
<v Speaker 1>or even like alcohol or lemon juice on a leech,

0:31:33.960 --> 0:31:38.400
<v Speaker 1>if you disturb it biologically like they're physiologically like that,

0:31:38.760 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 1>you might make it vomit. And that's bad because it's

0:31:41.960 --> 0:31:45.000
<v Speaker 1>vomiting up some of its stomach contents into your body

0:31:45.600 --> 0:31:48.120
<v Speaker 1>and you can get an infection from that as well.

0:31:48.480 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>So the key here is to treat the leech very

0:31:51.120 --> 0:31:55.760
<v Speaker 1>gently and go against every fiber of your screaming nerves

0:31:56.440 --> 0:31:59.600
<v Speaker 1>in your entire body. Will just be like, oh fiddle

0:31:59.680 --> 0:32:02.400
<v Speaker 1>d d there's a leech on me. I better carefully

0:32:02.520 --> 0:32:05.440
<v Speaker 1>remove it. He dial up the stuff you should know

0:32:05.480 --> 0:32:08.240
<v Speaker 1>episode and listen all the way through the thirty two

0:32:08.240 --> 0:32:11.280
<v Speaker 1>minutes until I get to the point where they tell

0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:15.480
<v Speaker 1>us to be gentle and just use a little Dave said,

0:32:15.520 --> 0:32:18.600
<v Speaker 1>like a credit card or your fingernail or something, and

0:32:18.640 --> 0:32:20.520
<v Speaker 1>gently kind of press on the side of its head,

0:32:20.920 --> 0:32:25.920
<v Speaker 1>hopefully it will detach that sucker. And then Dave said

0:32:25.960 --> 0:32:29.120
<v Speaker 1>to flick it off before it reattaches. And that is

0:32:29.120 --> 0:32:32.600
<v Speaker 1>an understatement. Yeah, I mean, you're just trying to break

0:32:32.640 --> 0:32:35.000
<v Speaker 1>that seal that the leech creates with its mouth and

0:32:35.120 --> 0:32:37.400
<v Speaker 1>your skin, and then enough for it to be like,

0:32:37.440 --> 0:32:39.280
<v Speaker 1>hey man, what the heck, so that it pulls its

0:32:39.320 --> 0:32:43.440
<v Speaker 1>jaws out too as well. Um, and again, that wound's

0:32:43.440 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>gonna bleed for maybe ten hours. I saw in a

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:50.400
<v Speaker 1>Popular Science article. So just you gotta clean the wound,

0:32:50.440 --> 0:32:52.800
<v Speaker 1>you gotta dress it, and you're gonna have to redress it,

0:32:53.040 --> 0:32:55.840
<v Speaker 1>probably more than once because it's kind of just keep bleeding. Yeah.

0:32:55.840 --> 0:32:57.360
<v Speaker 1>I feel like I had a leech on me at

0:32:57.400 --> 0:33:00.720
<v Speaker 1>one point or another when I was a kid, but

0:33:01.360 --> 0:33:05.280
<v Speaker 1>nothing stands out story wise, but I'm pretty sure I

0:33:05.400 --> 0:33:08.440
<v Speaker 1>remember it happening. You. I don't think I've ever had

0:33:08.480 --> 0:33:10.880
<v Speaker 1>a leach on me. I've had plenty of ticks, but

0:33:11.000 --> 0:33:15.640
<v Speaker 1>never elach. Keep that street going. I'm trying what I say.

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:20.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying. I steer clear of fresh water, salt water.

0:33:21.040 --> 0:33:23.560
<v Speaker 1>You don't get in the water. I don't go to

0:33:23.960 --> 0:33:28.280
<v Speaker 1>Japan or Indonesia. I'm pretty I'm steering clear of the leeches.

0:33:28.560 --> 0:33:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I see. That's my problem is I am one to

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:34.200
<v Speaker 1>jump in any body of water that I can jump in.

0:33:35.400 --> 0:33:38.120
<v Speaker 1>I remember once when I was a kid and we

0:33:38.200 --> 0:33:39.960
<v Speaker 1>had this creek that we used to swim in, and

0:33:40.800 --> 0:33:43.080
<v Speaker 1>we were hanging out with some kid who didn't normally

0:33:43.080 --> 0:33:44.840
<v Speaker 1>hang out with us, and he saw the first of

0:33:44.920 --> 0:33:48.280
<v Speaker 1>us go into this creek and start swimming and he

0:33:48.320 --> 0:33:51.440
<v Speaker 1>goes that kid wants dysent terry or something like that,

0:33:52.640 --> 0:33:54.120
<v Speaker 1>and I mean, we're like ten. I don't know how

0:33:54.120 --> 0:33:57.560
<v Speaker 1>this kid even knew about dysent terry, but I knew

0:33:57.600 --> 0:33:59.120
<v Speaker 1>what he was talking about enough to be like, Oh,

0:33:59.160 --> 0:34:01.040
<v Speaker 1>you don't want that. You can get that from creeks.

0:34:01.040 --> 0:34:02.920
<v Speaker 1>I better steer clear of creeks. That has made a

0:34:03.000 --> 0:34:06.960
<v Speaker 1>huge impression on me. Yeah, with the creeks behind my house.

0:34:07.000 --> 0:34:09.400
<v Speaker 1>So I just I don't know. I'll always try and

0:34:09.440 --> 0:34:12.560
<v Speaker 1>get water if I can. Oh. The other thing that

0:34:12.600 --> 0:34:14.760
<v Speaker 1>scared me too in that same creek, with somebody saying

0:34:14.760 --> 0:34:18.000
<v Speaker 1>like what about water moccasins? Like there they always everybody

0:34:18.000 --> 0:34:20.520
<v Speaker 1>always has a story about how somebody jumped into a

0:34:20.640 --> 0:34:24.200
<v Speaker 1>pit of water moccasins, and that was that. So that

0:34:24.280 --> 0:34:26.520
<v Speaker 1>kind of steered me clear of creeks too, So you

0:34:26.680 --> 0:34:29.719
<v Speaker 1>get it, I get it, don't really regret it. All right, Well,

0:34:29.800 --> 0:34:33.000
<v Speaker 1>let's have a little pause for the cause, and we will.

0:34:33.600 --> 0:34:35.880
<v Speaker 1>Jesus just turned into Johnny fever r I P. By

0:34:35.920 --> 0:34:40.480
<v Speaker 1>the way, Howard Heman? What he just passed away? What

0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:45.319
<v Speaker 1>a b s year already for celebriting man. I'll tell

0:34:45.320 --> 0:34:48.120
<v Speaker 1>you who turned out to be a great person in retrospect?

0:34:48.280 --> 0:34:51.640
<v Speaker 1>Was Bob Saget. My goodness read any of the tributes

0:34:51.680 --> 0:34:54.600
<v Speaker 1>to him, pretty heartwarming. You should read. Have you read

0:34:54.680 --> 0:34:59.880
<v Speaker 1>John stamus as eulogy? Amazing dude, I think very highly

0:34:59.880 --> 0:35:02.920
<v Speaker 1>a Bob sagging out, but also John Steams and weirdly

0:35:03.000 --> 0:35:05.239
<v Speaker 1>John Mayer. Uh, I don't know if you were any

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:06.800
<v Speaker 1>of that stuff. I didn't know. They were good buddies.

0:35:07.160 --> 0:35:09.560
<v Speaker 1>He wrote some John Mary a lot. She didn't like

0:35:09.600 --> 0:35:12.680
<v Speaker 1>his music, but she thinks he's pretty cool and uh yeah,

0:35:12.800 --> 0:35:14.440
<v Speaker 1>So that's how we kind of got sucked into the

0:35:14.440 --> 0:35:18.040
<v Speaker 1>whole Bob sag It death thing. Alright. And Jeffrey Ross,

0:35:18.120 --> 0:35:20.120
<v Speaker 1>who he was a really good friend of Bob. My

0:35:20.160 --> 0:35:23.439
<v Speaker 1>brother worked with Saga and he remember years ago saying

0:35:23.480 --> 0:35:26.279
<v Speaker 1>that he was like the nicest dude. Yeah, he's he

0:35:26.480 --> 0:35:28.920
<v Speaker 1>seems to have been the real deal for sure. Alright,

0:35:28.960 --> 0:35:31.279
<v Speaker 1>pe everybody who we've lost this year, how about that?

0:35:32.120 --> 0:35:33.880
<v Speaker 1>And that let's take a break and we're going to

0:35:33.960 --> 0:36:02.959
<v Speaker 1>talk about blood letting right after this. M okay, chuck.

0:36:03.080 --> 0:36:06.480
<v Speaker 1>So we're finally at part two thirty five minutes in.

0:36:07.320 --> 0:36:09.799
<v Speaker 1>What we're talking about the history of blood letting um

0:36:09.840 --> 0:36:13.480
<v Speaker 1>and using medicinal leeches and just a brief overview of

0:36:13.520 --> 0:36:17.960
<v Speaker 1>blood letting. It's based on the humoral theory of health

0:36:18.080 --> 0:36:21.560
<v Speaker 1>and disease, which says that we have four humors, right,

0:36:21.920 --> 0:36:27.000
<v Speaker 1>We've got um, blood, phlegm, black bile, and yellow bile.

0:36:27.719 --> 0:36:30.799
<v Speaker 1>And over time people said, I think bloods like the

0:36:30.960 --> 0:36:34.959
<v Speaker 1>real like money, money, humor. We need to keep things

0:36:34.960 --> 0:36:36.640
<v Speaker 1>in balance. So if you want to keep everything in

0:36:36.719 --> 0:36:39.000
<v Speaker 1>balance to be healthy, you need to get rid of

0:36:39.040 --> 0:36:41.880
<v Speaker 1>some excess blood. That's the real problem. And so for

0:36:41.920 --> 0:36:44.839
<v Speaker 1>a long time people use like knives or whatever and

0:36:45.480 --> 0:36:48.439
<v Speaker 1>cut your into your veins to to bleed you out

0:36:48.480 --> 0:36:51.040
<v Speaker 1>to remove some of that blood. And somewhere along the

0:36:51.080 --> 0:36:53.719
<v Speaker 1>way people said, I think leeches are a better a

0:36:53.760 --> 0:36:56.080
<v Speaker 1>better treatment for this because it's a lot gentler and

0:36:56.200 --> 0:36:59.760
<v Speaker 1>kindler than cutting into somebody's arms. Uh, and you probably

0:36:59.760 --> 0:37:04.160
<v Speaker 1>don't is nearly the amount of blood We covered this

0:37:04.360 --> 0:37:06.880
<v Speaker 1>years ago. It had to have been in one of

0:37:06.880 --> 0:37:11.120
<v Speaker 1>our weird medical top tens. And I know we talked

0:37:11.160 --> 0:37:15.840
<v Speaker 1>about medical leeches at some point, but here we go again,

0:37:16.600 --> 0:37:21.520
<v Speaker 1>because they used them a lot back then. Um. I

0:37:21.560 --> 0:37:25.920
<v Speaker 1>think the early nineteenth century is when in Europe they

0:37:25.960 --> 0:37:28.520
<v Speaker 1>were like, this is really the best kind of treatment

0:37:28.520 --> 0:37:31.240
<v Speaker 1>we've ever heard of. We would call that the Golden

0:37:31.280 --> 0:37:37.280
<v Speaker 1>Age at least so far of leeching or leech mania, yeah,

0:37:37.320 --> 0:37:39.680
<v Speaker 1>of losing blood via leach And there was a man,

0:37:39.800 --> 0:37:44.200
<v Speaker 1>specifically a doctor in Paris, Dr Francois would that be

0:37:44.440 --> 0:37:49.560
<v Speaker 1>Brusa m hm okay, And he was. He was a

0:37:49.600 --> 0:37:52.759
<v Speaker 1>physician in Paris who he basically was like, you know what,

0:37:53.200 --> 0:37:56.640
<v Speaker 1>everything that's wrong with anyone is inflammation of your intestines.

0:37:56.680 --> 0:37:59.240
<v Speaker 1>It all goes back to that. So anybody that comes

0:37:59.239 --> 0:38:02.319
<v Speaker 1>by my clim my military hospital, the first thing that

0:38:02.360 --> 0:38:04.440
<v Speaker 1>we're gonna do, I don't care what you say is

0:38:04.480 --> 0:38:07.080
<v Speaker 1>wrong with you, is we're going to throw fifty leeches

0:38:07.120 --> 0:38:10.439
<v Speaker 1>on your body right out of the gate. To see

0:38:10.480 --> 0:38:14.279
<v Speaker 1>what happens. Yeah, he earned the nickname le Vampierre de

0:38:14.400 --> 0:38:19.600
<v Speaker 1>la medicine, which seems appropriate. But he was hugely popular,

0:38:20.000 --> 0:38:23.640
<v Speaker 1>so much so that um and leeches were hugely popular too.

0:38:23.880 --> 0:38:27.640
<v Speaker 1>But the ideas of Brussay were so popular that, um,

0:38:27.680 --> 0:38:30.879
<v Speaker 1>he even reached into the fashion world where people would

0:38:30.960 --> 0:38:34.880
<v Speaker 1>wear like dresses with leeches embroidered all over him. Like

0:38:34.960 --> 0:38:37.400
<v Speaker 1>leech mania seems to be a really good descriptor of

0:38:37.440 --> 0:38:40.360
<v Speaker 1>this period of time. And I saw and I could

0:38:40.360 --> 0:38:46.359
<v Speaker 1>not find what happened. But Britannica said that his his

0:38:46.480 --> 0:38:51.040
<v Speaker 1>theories about blood letting and leeches were hugely influential until

0:38:51.200 --> 0:38:54.640
<v Speaker 1>a cholera epidemic in eighteen thirty two and his methods

0:38:54.680 --> 0:38:57.879
<v Speaker 1>proved disastrous and he fell out of favor. Interesting. I

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:00.480
<v Speaker 1>couldn't see what happened, but you can probably guess that

0:39:00.560 --> 0:39:03.600
<v Speaker 1>a lot of people die because he mistreated them by

0:39:03.680 --> 0:39:07.520
<v Speaker 1>blood by you know, massive blood lighting or whatever. But

0:39:08.200 --> 0:39:11.040
<v Speaker 1>it seems to have ended that that leech mania thing.

0:39:11.040 --> 0:39:14.279
<v Speaker 1>And then, like we said before, um, the leeches is

0:39:14.400 --> 0:39:18.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of fell to the wayside because modern medicine was like, no,

0:39:18.280 --> 0:39:21.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's claptrap, that's quackery. We need to separate ourselves

0:39:21.560 --> 0:39:24.839
<v Speaker 1>from that, even if there was really something to it. Yeah,

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:26.319
<v Speaker 1>and if you're wondering, you know that it takes a

0:39:26.320 --> 0:39:28.080
<v Speaker 1>lot of leeches. It's not like a doctor would have

0:39:28.120 --> 0:39:31.480
<v Speaker 1>like six or eight of these laying around. Um, you know,

0:39:31.880 --> 0:39:35.279
<v Speaker 1>thirty five million medical leeches were being imported every year

0:39:35.719 --> 0:39:38.799
<v Speaker 1>into France alone in the eighteen thirties. And if you're

0:39:38.840 --> 0:39:42.200
<v Speaker 1>asking yourself, how do you get this many leeches? You

0:39:42.239 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>get him the old fashioned way. There were people like

0:39:45.239 --> 0:39:48.320
<v Speaker 1>leech I mean, Dave calls him leech gatherers or leech hunters.

0:39:48.800 --> 0:39:51.680
<v Speaker 1>They would wade into waters with their pants rolled up

0:39:52.520 --> 0:39:56.560
<v Speaker 1>or maybe no pants at all, and they would get

0:39:56.640 --> 0:39:59.120
<v Speaker 1>leeches to attach to themselves and then pull them off

0:39:59.440 --> 0:40:04.319
<v Speaker 1>and sell them. And yeah, and Jerry Walton's website I

0:40:04.400 --> 0:40:07.839
<v Speaker 1>saw she wrote that they would, in this manner gather

0:40:07.920 --> 0:40:10.480
<v Speaker 1>about five leeches a day. It's crazy. We're doing a

0:40:10.480 --> 0:40:13.719
<v Speaker 1>good job. It is crazy. It's very because she wrote

0:40:13.719 --> 0:40:16.719
<v Speaker 1>a whole post on leech gathering as a weird profession

0:40:16.800 --> 0:40:19.960
<v Speaker 1>that that finally kind of fellow the wayside, and it

0:40:20.000 --> 0:40:24.279
<v Speaker 1>did indeed fell the wayside until I think the seventies,

0:40:24.920 --> 0:40:31.680
<v Speaker 1>when some daring adventurous UH physiologists started studying what's called

0:40:31.719 --> 0:40:36.799
<v Speaker 1>herudo therapy UM, and it was it became kind of

0:40:36.840 --> 0:40:41.520
<v Speaker 1>important first in reconstructive surgery. And it just makes uttering

0:40:41.600 --> 0:40:44.319
<v Speaker 1>complete sense that you would use it for this. So

0:40:44.400 --> 0:40:46.840
<v Speaker 1>I guess they were starting to study it in the seventies,

0:40:46.880 --> 0:40:51.040
<v Speaker 1>but it wasn't until when a plastic surgeon name named

0:40:51.120 --> 0:40:53.440
<v Speaker 1>Joseph Upton like really put it to the test. I

0:40:53.480 --> 0:40:56.880
<v Speaker 1>get the impression it was mostly clinical or lab studies

0:40:56.920 --> 0:41:01.120
<v Speaker 1>and maybe UM just kind of posture elation. And Upton said,

0:41:01.440 --> 0:41:04.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm trying. I'm at the end of my rope. I'm

0:41:04.000 --> 0:41:06.200
<v Speaker 1>gonna get it is pretty amazing. There was a boy,

0:41:06.280 --> 0:41:09.640
<v Speaker 1>a five year old boy in Boston who went in

0:41:09.719 --> 0:41:12.239
<v Speaker 1>and said, my right, HEEA was bitten off in the pock.

0:41:14.480 --> 0:41:19.319
<v Speaker 1>It was dog and very sad. I'm just kind of

0:41:19.320 --> 0:41:22.359
<v Speaker 1>getting around UM. But that all ends well, don't worry.

0:41:22.440 --> 0:41:25.200
<v Speaker 1>That's the reason I'm telling that joke. UH. He reattached

0:41:25.239 --> 0:41:29.120
<v Speaker 1>the ear, but the tissue was suffering from necrosis. It

0:41:29.160 --> 0:41:31.960
<v Speaker 1>was starting to turn black and die because it was

0:41:32.040 --> 0:41:34.560
<v Speaker 1>swelling up with blood that couldn't go anywhere. It was

0:41:34.600 --> 0:41:38.400
<v Speaker 1>pulling up and becoming stagnant and This is a you know,

0:41:38.480 --> 0:41:40.960
<v Speaker 1>this was an ongoing and still is an ongoing issue

0:41:41.280 --> 0:41:44.000
<v Speaker 1>when you're trying to reattach a body part to get

0:41:44.000 --> 0:41:46.919
<v Speaker 1>that blood flow not just going one way but going

0:41:46.960 --> 0:41:49.760
<v Speaker 1>the other way. Like they can attach a major artery

0:41:49.840 --> 0:41:52.320
<v Speaker 1>to send blood to a thing, but they don't attach

0:41:52.400 --> 0:41:55.160
<v Speaker 1>all the little tiny veins that send blood back away

0:41:55.239 --> 0:41:57.920
<v Speaker 1>from it, so that chance than that risk of pooling

0:41:58.000 --> 0:42:02.000
<v Speaker 1>is always there. So this doctor Upton said, you know what,

0:42:02.120 --> 0:42:05.279
<v Speaker 1>I remember reading this, just stay with me, kid, this

0:42:05.440 --> 0:42:10.839
<v Speaker 1>crazy article about leech therapy. And he said, let's give

0:42:10.880 --> 0:42:13.520
<v Speaker 1>it a shot, and he ordered thirty leeches, had him

0:42:13.520 --> 0:42:17.880
<v Speaker 1>shipped overnight from Britain from a leech farm. They attached

0:42:17.920 --> 0:42:21.120
<v Speaker 1>two of them to this kid's ear and the leeches

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:24.319
<v Speaker 1>did the work. And we're sucking that blood up enough

0:42:24.360 --> 0:42:27.080
<v Speaker 1>to where it regained its color and he made a

0:42:27.080 --> 0:42:32.239
<v Speaker 1>complete recovery. Yeah, And it did that by um that vasodilation,

0:42:32.400 --> 0:42:35.320
<v Speaker 1>so it improved blood flow. It kept that that blood

0:42:35.360 --> 0:42:38.560
<v Speaker 1>from um coagulating so it wasn't clotting, so it was

0:42:38.560 --> 0:42:43.359
<v Speaker 1>flowing even more smoothly um. And the leeches themselves were

0:42:43.560 --> 0:42:46.160
<v Speaker 1>pumped steadily pumping the blood out, so there wasn't any

0:42:46.160 --> 0:42:49.919
<v Speaker 1>blood to pool and turn ransom and become stagnant. So

0:42:50.080 --> 0:42:53.040
<v Speaker 1>and the veins can do amazing thing. Your blood vessels

0:42:53.040 --> 0:42:57.279
<v Speaker 1>do spectacular things. Whenever they they face an obstacle, they

0:42:57.360 --> 0:42:59.040
<v Speaker 1>will figure out a way to go around and grow

0:42:59.080 --> 0:43:02.799
<v Speaker 1>around and make new actions. So by using leeches, you

0:43:02.840 --> 0:43:05.840
<v Speaker 1>are giving those veins enough breathing room to kind of

0:43:05.880 --> 0:43:09.400
<v Speaker 1>figure it out themselves and reconnect and and you know,

0:43:09.480 --> 0:43:13.200
<v Speaker 1>reinstitute that kind of blood flow out of that area.

0:43:13.440 --> 0:43:17.400
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty spectacular. And that was like everybody just found

0:43:17.440 --> 0:43:20.080
<v Speaker 1>the closest leech and put it on their shoulder and

0:43:20.200 --> 0:43:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the leech like shook its hands on either side of

0:43:22.280 --> 0:43:25.160
<v Speaker 1>its head and triumph. So leeches kind of came back

0:43:25.320 --> 0:43:28.080
<v Speaker 1>like in a big way starting in the nineteen eighties

0:43:28.120 --> 0:43:30.800
<v Speaker 1>and science has really been taking them seriously ever since.

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.840
<v Speaker 1>It's amazing. It's almost like they are meant to do this.

0:43:33.840 --> 0:43:37.480
<v Speaker 1>This is their one little function that can benefit humankind.

0:43:38.280 --> 0:43:40.560
<v Speaker 1>Uh so much though that in two thousand four the

0:43:40.600 --> 0:43:45.880
<v Speaker 1>FDA said medical leeches approved. Uh, it's actually approved. And

0:43:46.080 --> 0:43:48.000
<v Speaker 1>this is where I definitely remember us talking about it.

0:43:48.000 --> 0:43:51.239
<v Speaker 1>It's it's approved as a medical device. I know what

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:55.040
<v Speaker 1>you're thinking of what we did an entire episode on maggots,

0:43:56.000 --> 0:43:59.680
<v Speaker 1>and they're also approved as a medical device for similar

0:44:00.040 --> 0:44:04.000
<v Speaker 1>off but really removing like dead and infected tissue. And

0:44:04.000 --> 0:44:06.560
<v Speaker 1>I wonder if that's what you're thinking about. I don't know.

0:44:06.840 --> 0:44:10.640
<v Speaker 1>Pretty amazing for both of them, though, so they are

0:44:10.920 --> 0:44:14.840
<v Speaker 1>legit medical devices. I think the actual quote from the

0:44:14.880 --> 0:44:18.359
<v Speaker 1>FDA was for the purpose of overcoming the problem of

0:44:18.760 --> 0:44:24.440
<v Speaker 1>venus venus congestion by creating prolonged localized bleeding. It sounds

0:44:24.480 --> 0:44:27.480
<v Speaker 1>like something Galen would have written. Uh, and they are

0:44:27.920 --> 0:44:30.319
<v Speaker 1>this is this sort of sad part is their single use.

0:44:30.400 --> 0:44:35.279
<v Speaker 1>So they use these leeches and then they euthanize them

0:44:35.320 --> 0:44:38.680
<v Speaker 1>an alcohol instead of I don't know, take him outside,

0:44:38.800 --> 0:44:42.600
<v Speaker 1>throw them in the shrubbery. Well, I mean, there's got

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.040
<v Speaker 1>to be something you can do, especially if you leave

0:44:45.120 --> 0:44:48.919
<v Speaker 1>them on until they are done. It seems like, yeah,

0:44:49.000 --> 0:44:51.200
<v Speaker 1>we could kind of retire them or let them go

0:44:51.280 --> 0:44:54.840
<v Speaker 1>off and digest their meal in like a used leeches

0:44:55.000 --> 0:44:58.160
<v Speaker 1>jar or something like that. I just I think it's

0:44:58.200 --> 0:45:03.960
<v Speaker 1>sad an old folks on for leeches. Sure, at least

0:45:04.040 --> 0:45:06.560
<v Speaker 1>let him stay alive for the next few weeks so

0:45:06.600 --> 0:45:09.279
<v Speaker 1>that they can digest that meal and enjoy it like

0:45:09.360 --> 0:45:12.759
<v Speaker 1>this is just the worst kind of using somebody. You know. Well,

0:45:12.800 --> 0:45:16.880
<v Speaker 1>there was that one attorney, that lawyer years ago who

0:45:17.000 --> 0:45:20.120
<v Speaker 1>had a couple of leeches that that he said, uh

0:45:20.320 --> 0:45:23.200
<v Speaker 1>saved his life and he kept them in a jar

0:45:23.440 --> 0:45:25.960
<v Speaker 1>like a good guy, but he was a little wacky.

0:45:26.040 --> 0:45:31.760
<v Speaker 1>He actually named them and would supposedly asked their opinion

0:45:31.960 --> 0:45:35.440
<v Speaker 1>on on cases that he was handling as as a

0:45:35.480 --> 0:45:38.960
<v Speaker 1>lawyer and looking at like how they swim as some

0:45:39.040 --> 0:45:44.680
<v Speaker 1>sort of divining uh indicator of how he should uh

0:45:44.719 --> 0:45:48.040
<v Speaker 1>which direction is case should go crazy? Kind of like

0:45:48.120 --> 0:45:51.640
<v Speaker 1>that octopus in the World Cup. I don't know, Oh yeah, yeah,

0:45:51.640 --> 0:45:55.319
<v Speaker 1>I remember that, yeah, exactly like um and there's that

0:45:55.440 --> 0:45:58.759
<v Speaker 1>was Thomas Erskine and he there he's part of this

0:45:58.800 --> 0:46:02.800
<v Speaker 1>really interesting article from j Store Daily by Amelia Soft

0:46:03.320 --> 0:46:06.160
<v Speaker 1>that I think rus found. That's it's really good if

0:46:06.160 --> 0:46:07.880
<v Speaker 1>you're into that, if you want to read about that

0:46:07.920 --> 0:46:11.160
<v Speaker 1>whole leech mania, because it was way more than just

0:46:11.200 --> 0:46:13.759
<v Speaker 1>the medical profession. It was like the whole society just

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:17.160
<v Speaker 1>kind of revered Leach for kind of like what you said,

0:46:17.160 --> 0:46:19.880
<v Speaker 1>almost like they were intended to do this, that's how

0:46:19.920 --> 0:46:22.080
<v Speaker 1>they kind of saw it, and they really kind of

0:46:22.120 --> 0:46:24.200
<v Speaker 1>respected lee just for a while, because Yeah, but while

0:46:24.239 --> 0:46:28.640
<v Speaker 1>the medical community is legitimately using them, the wellness community

0:46:28.880 --> 0:46:34.040
<v Speaker 1>is probably over using them. Uh. There are clinics in Arizona,

0:46:34.120 --> 0:46:36.080
<v Speaker 1>there's some in England and other parts of the world

0:46:36.520 --> 0:46:40.560
<v Speaker 1>where their leech therapy is really far reaching and basically

0:46:40.560 --> 0:46:44.080
<v Speaker 1>saying it can help with everything from arthritis to cancer,

0:46:44.120 --> 0:46:48.480
<v Speaker 1>to carpel t Herp's to hemrhoids. Uh. I'm not sure

0:46:48.520 --> 0:46:51.719
<v Speaker 1>exactly where that treatment, how that goes, but I have

0:46:51.760 --> 0:46:56.279
<v Speaker 1>a pretty good idea. Yeah, but um, there are other

0:46:56.600 --> 0:47:00.440
<v Speaker 1>uses therapeutically that doctors are looking into, but they are

0:47:00.520 --> 0:47:03.239
<v Speaker 1>round me saying like, places like this you need to

0:47:03.280 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 1>be really wary of because the jury is still out

0:47:06.080 --> 0:47:08.160
<v Speaker 1>on a lot of this stuff. And I don't know

0:47:08.160 --> 0:47:10.920
<v Speaker 1>if we should go back to the you know, the

0:47:11.239 --> 0:47:15.879
<v Speaker 1>seventeenth century Europe or wherever that was, right, right, But yeah,

0:47:15.880 --> 0:47:20.919
<v Speaker 1>they do think that they're anti inflammatory properties, anti tumor properties,

0:47:20.960 --> 0:47:23.799
<v Speaker 1>like in those leeches saliva. It's pretty neat, so you

0:47:23.840 --> 0:47:27.279
<v Speaker 1>never know. Keep keep an ear out for for a

0:47:27.360 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>leech update in ten years from US. Okay, maybe ellech

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.960
<v Speaker 1>will be in the Senate by then. There's already a

0:47:35.960 --> 0:47:39.759
<v Speaker 1>few in there. I would say, hey, yo, uh, you

0:47:39.880 --> 0:47:43.640
<v Speaker 1>got anything else? Chuck? I got nothing else. Chuck's got

0:47:43.680 --> 0:47:46.959
<v Speaker 1>nothing else everybody, which means it's time for listener mail.

0:47:50.840 --> 0:47:53.279
<v Speaker 1>Hey guys, I no, you don't always worry about pronunciation,

0:47:54.719 --> 0:47:59.040
<v Speaker 1>but us it's different on an oft repeated phrase, and

0:47:59.080 --> 0:48:02.000
<v Speaker 1>I just can't help my self, so we're gonna allow this, Robin.

0:48:03.120 --> 0:48:07.480
<v Speaker 1>We usually don't take pronunciation emails very seriously because we

0:48:07.560 --> 0:48:14.560
<v Speaker 1>famously mispronounced things almost on purpose, right almost. Uh. The

0:48:14.640 --> 0:48:17.040
<v Speaker 1>Arctic Fox episode is the latest. And Josh said the

0:48:17.040 --> 0:48:23.319
<v Speaker 1>phrase gras, where he correctly left the PA silent but

0:48:23.440 --> 0:48:27.759
<v Speaker 1>incorrectly said fat graw and French is fat with a

0:48:27.800 --> 0:48:33.719
<v Speaker 1>silent last letter like foi gras instead of gross silent e.

0:48:33.880 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 1>But a soft C loosely sounds like grass. Doubtless you

0:48:39.080 --> 0:48:41.800
<v Speaker 1>were doing your best, but foi gras is a decidedly

0:48:41.880 --> 0:48:47.879
<v Speaker 1>different thing from a kuda grass. Okay, to teach French

0:48:47.920 --> 0:48:50.160
<v Speaker 1>too little people, What I generally say is that the

0:48:50.239 --> 0:48:52.799
<v Speaker 1>last letter of silence. So if there's an E that

0:48:52.840 --> 0:48:55.479
<v Speaker 1>means a consonant in front of it, isn't the last

0:48:55.560 --> 0:48:58.960
<v Speaker 1>letter and is not silent. That's the difference between PETI

0:48:59.600 --> 0:49:03.600
<v Speaker 1>and tait mm hmm with an E on the end

0:49:03.680 --> 0:49:06.480
<v Speaker 1>or not. You don't have to read my message on

0:49:06.480 --> 0:49:09.880
<v Speaker 1>the show. Please take it, dare you not to, but

0:49:09.920 --> 0:49:12.719
<v Speaker 1>please take the message to heart. And now back to

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<v Speaker 1>the adorable Arctic Fox. And that is Robin. Who is

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<v Speaker 1>she her? In Victoria b C. Great town, that Victoria BC. Robin,

0:49:25.320 --> 0:49:27.800
<v Speaker 1>thank you very much for that a little French lesson.

0:49:27.920 --> 0:49:30.480
<v Speaker 1>It's been many, many years since I had one. I

0:49:30.520 --> 0:49:34.160
<v Speaker 1>will try to remember from now on everyone says kuda

0:49:34.160 --> 0:49:37.760
<v Speaker 1>gra though everyone says it, yeah, but everybody's got it wrong,

0:49:38.280 --> 0:49:41.080
<v Speaker 1>you say, I mean, it's Americans saying you say kuda

0:49:41.120 --> 0:49:44.239
<v Speaker 1>grass at the next dinner party and prepared to be

0:49:44.360 --> 0:49:47.879
<v Speaker 1>laughed out of their yokol. I'm gonna I'm gonna try

0:49:47.880 --> 0:49:52.120
<v Speaker 1>a different one. I'm gonna say kuda Okay. That's good, okay, see,

0:49:52.200 --> 0:49:57.640
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