1 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:07,920 Speaker 1: Jets mats and headlines yesterday. One of the top edge 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:12,360 Speaker 1: rushers in a class that had plenty of edge rushers, 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:16,319 Speaker 1: Carl Lawson makes the jump from Cincinnati to New York. 4 00:00:16,520 --> 00:00:19,960 Speaker 1: Really appreciate the organization for Abermaden, you know, built a 5 00:00:19,960 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 1: winning coat. Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast. 6 00:00:23,760 --> 00:00:28,320 Speaker 1: The podcast Profile series continuing on here with Carl Lawson 7 00:00:28,400 --> 00:00:31,560 Speaker 1: and we caught up with Carl Lawson Sr. Carl Lawson's dad, 8 00:00:31,640 --> 00:00:34,640 Speaker 1: and e A caught up with Nick Eason, who coached 9 00:00:34,720 --> 00:00:38,239 Speaker 1: Lawson in Cincinnati for two seasons and then now to 10 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:41,960 Speaker 1: bring things full circle, Easton's at Auburn, where Lawson played 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: in college. Everything comes full circle right Easton. Actually, I 12 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:48,160 Speaker 1: think the first time he met Lawson or spent time 13 00:00:48,200 --> 00:00:50,560 Speaker 1: with him was when he was coaching with a ton 14 00:00:50,560 --> 00:00:54,160 Speaker 1: of See Titans at a pro day. A Lawson, of 15 00:00:54,240 --> 00:00:57,800 Speaker 1: course a very good pass rusher in that SEC, spends 16 00:00:57,800 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 1: his first four seasons with the Cincinnati Angles, and the 17 00:01:00,560 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: Jets hope they have found their answer at the edge position. 18 00:01:05,720 --> 00:01:10,040 Speaker 1: Lawson very unique athlete um who has a lot of 19 00:01:10,040 --> 00:01:14,760 Speaker 1: explosion and he has the potential to change games. I 20 00:01:14,760 --> 00:01:18,039 Speaker 1: think a lot of people think if Carl Lawson were 21 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:21,040 Speaker 1: a stock. The Jets bought per Se at the right 22 00:01:21,040 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: time because they feel like his best ball is ahead 23 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 1: of him. Carl Lawson Senior said that he kind of 24 00:01:26,880 --> 00:01:29,119 Speaker 1: felt like his son was held back a little bit 25 00:01:29,120 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: in Cincinnati because as a rookie eight and a half 26 00:01:31,560 --> 00:01:33,920 Speaker 1: sacks only played on third down. Then he has a 27 00:01:34,000 --> 00:01:37,039 Speaker 1: knee injury, and then he had a defensive coordinator changed 28 00:01:37,080 --> 00:01:39,759 Speaker 1: for a couple of seasons. So he feels like that 29 00:01:39,840 --> 00:01:42,920 Speaker 1: this system that Robert sal and Jeff Albrick are placing 30 00:01:42,959 --> 00:01:45,759 Speaker 1: here with the Jets are really gonna benefit Carl Lawson. 31 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,280 Speaker 1: And you know his father, Carl's father, Carl Sr. Gave 32 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,000 Speaker 1: some little nuggets here. I know he spoke about Zack 33 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:56,560 Speaker 1: Wilson and being on the bicycle at two years old. Well, 34 00:01:56,560 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: he said that Carl Lawson as a junior in high 35 00:01:58,800 --> 00:02:03,240 Speaker 1: school was bench pressing four hundred fifty five pounds running 36 00:02:03,240 --> 00:02:06,040 Speaker 1: a four sixty. Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that 37 00:02:06,120 --> 00:02:08,280 Speaker 1: he was mentioning four fifty five because a lot of 38 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:12,480 Speaker 1: people will say people with shorter arms, that's their advantage 39 00:02:12,560 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: on the bench. And in terms of football, when you're 40 00:02:16,520 --> 00:02:20,839 Speaker 1: talking about edge rushers, a lot of teams, a lot 41 00:02:20,880 --> 00:02:24,239 Speaker 1: of scouts, a lot of coaches are looking for longer players. 42 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:27,560 Speaker 1: What makes him unique is he's not the longest guy 43 00:02:27,560 --> 00:02:30,360 Speaker 1: in the world. Where some of those big edges in 44 00:02:30,360 --> 00:02:33,799 Speaker 1: the National Football League there six four. Lawson is more 45 00:02:33,840 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: of a guy's six ft two, So he doesn't fit 46 00:02:36,560 --> 00:02:40,040 Speaker 1: that prototype. But he is a guy who gets to 47 00:02:40,120 --> 00:02:43,079 Speaker 1: the quarterback in a hurry. And you mentioned two thousand 48 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: seventeen playing in sub packages with the Bengals eight and 49 00:02:46,400 --> 00:02:48,520 Speaker 1: a half sacks. In two thousand and eighteen and nineteen 50 00:02:48,919 --> 00:02:52,520 Speaker 1: he was limited to just nineteen games and had six 51 00:02:52,600 --> 00:02:56,120 Speaker 1: total sacks. Then you fast forward the last season, people 52 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 1: people will say, well, Lawston just had five and a 53 00:02:58,320 --> 00:03:01,040 Speaker 1: half sacks in two thousand twenty. Well, he also had 54 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:05,320 Speaker 1: thirty two quarterback hits. And the National Football League is 55 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:08,680 Speaker 1: all about impacting the quarterback and that's something that loss 56 00:03:08,680 --> 00:03:12,160 Speaker 1: and does. And you look in totality, the Bengals over 57 00:03:12,200 --> 00:03:15,400 Speaker 1: the last few seasons have been at the bottom of 58 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,120 Speaker 1: the league in terms of total sacks. So what is 59 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:23,760 Speaker 1: losses production going to look like now with a talented 60 00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:27,080 Speaker 1: line Because I think the Jets, We've talked about it 61 00:03:27,200 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: often here during this podcast, and everything we do for 62 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,000 Speaker 1: the Jets on all the content platforms is you can 63 00:03:34,040 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: make the argument that the Jets defensive line is definitely 64 00:03:37,840 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: the deepest and the most talented unit on this team. Right, 65 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 1: And you mentioned the thirty two quarterback hits, just to 66 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:47,440 Speaker 1: put that in perspective, that lad all defensive lineman, right 67 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 1: or was it second in defensive lineman and Joey Bosa, Yeah, 68 00:03:50,760 --> 00:03:52,880 Speaker 1: it was right up there. Randy Lang was all over 69 00:03:52,920 --> 00:03:56,240 Speaker 1: that stat when a Lawson assigned with the Jets. UM, 70 00:03:56,280 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: So he's a guy who gets a quarterback off his spot, 71 00:04:00,160 --> 00:04:03,600 Speaker 1: and then you know, we'll look at his potential impact 72 00:04:04,200 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 1: down the line. But I think when we look at 73 00:04:08,240 --> 00:04:11,800 Speaker 1: pass rushers, were always talking about sacks, and rightfully so, 74 00:04:12,560 --> 00:04:16,359 Speaker 1: but there's a lot too what goes into a sack. 75 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:20,159 Speaker 1: And you mentioned as far as potential is concerned. You 76 00:04:20,200 --> 00:04:24,560 Speaker 1: mentioned as far as stock is concerned. We talk about system. 77 00:04:24,760 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 1: Lawson himself has talked about this being the right system. 78 00:04:28,360 --> 00:04:31,920 Speaker 1: Nick Eason, as we're gonna hear we'll talk about this 79 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:36,520 Speaker 1: being the right system. Carl Lawson Senior talked about this system, 80 00:04:36,640 --> 00:04:39,400 Speaker 1: um and so they all feel like this is the 81 00:04:39,440 --> 00:04:42,480 Speaker 1: perfect spot for him. He's just twenty six years old. 82 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:44,960 Speaker 1: He's still a baby by NFL standards. All right, well, 83 00:04:45,040 --> 00:04:47,559 Speaker 1: let's get this show rolling here, let's hear from Carl 84 00:04:47,640 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: Lawson Senior. So Carl, you know, first, let's start off 85 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:02,080 Speaker 1: with a soft ball here. What was Carl like as 86 00:05:02,080 --> 00:05:09,520 Speaker 1: a kid. Uh, he was very active, and he always 87 00:05:09,800 --> 00:05:14,960 Speaker 1: loved football, and he always loved um one on one combat. 88 00:05:15,560 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 1: I feel like I've met Carl once and I've seen 89 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:19,479 Speaker 1: his interviews, and it seems like he just has a 90 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,560 Speaker 1: great attitude and a positive energy around him. Did he 91 00:05:22,600 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: always have that grown up and you could see that? Yes? 92 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:30,160 Speaker 1: Matter of factly, Um, not the segway too far off. 93 00:05:31,279 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: I originally didn't want to not didn't want to play football, 94 00:05:34,400 --> 00:05:37,440 Speaker 1: but I was reluctant to try to be one of 95 00:05:37,480 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: those days that forced their kids to play football. And 96 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,839 Speaker 1: a friend of mine took him to a game to 97 00:05:43,880 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 1: watch some other kids and he started tackling kids on 98 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:51,120 Speaker 1: the sideline without pads are So my buddy called me 99 00:05:51,120 --> 00:05:53,240 Speaker 1: and said, I better get him in football now because 100 00:05:55,000 --> 00:05:59,520 Speaker 1: you know, he's very physical. How old was he? Seven 101 00:05:59,600 --> 00:06:02,960 Speaker 1: or eight? And he was like a by Just to 102 00:06:03,200 --> 00:06:06,200 Speaker 1: just to paint the picture in the correct light. He 103 00:06:06,279 --> 00:06:09,800 Speaker 1: was a bystander at a football game, his first football game, 104 00:06:09,839 --> 00:06:12,320 Speaker 1: and he just started tackling kids. Yeah, he went he 105 00:06:12,360 --> 00:06:15,200 Speaker 1: was went down to the on the sideline with the 106 00:06:15,279 --> 00:06:18,000 Speaker 1: kids with the pads on and started tackling him. Before that, 107 00:06:18,560 --> 00:06:22,680 Speaker 1: what was he what sports? Was he playing? Absolutely nothing? 108 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:29,880 Speaker 1: So he went home. So he went from no sports 109 00:06:29,880 --> 00:06:33,000 Speaker 1: to tackling kids on the sideline to then playing football 110 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,720 Speaker 1: and now playing at the highest level exactly. And just 111 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: you know, what's it like for you when you take 112 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,760 Speaker 1: a second to reflect on it, that that's been his 113 00:06:42,480 --> 00:06:45,680 Speaker 1: his path from no sports but an active kid to 114 00:06:46,160 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 1: football tackling on the sidebines to now being a productive 115 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 1: NFL player who just signed a second contract. It's surreal, 116 00:06:54,800 --> 00:06:58,400 Speaker 1: very surreal, you know, because I could still remember him 117 00:06:58,440 --> 00:07:02,280 Speaker 1: as a little kid. It. Your son said that at 118 00:07:02,360 --> 00:07:05,440 Speaker 1: thirteen years old, you told him that you could block 119 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:07,640 Speaker 1: him and then it didn't. He said that he ended 120 00:07:07,720 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: up hurt. He ended up hurting your knee. Do you 121 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: recall that story, and is that in fact hurt? Yeah? 122 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:19,200 Speaker 1: I recall it the story. I don't think he was thirteen. 123 00:07:19,440 --> 00:07:23,960 Speaker 1: I think he was like four, you probably fourteen, And 124 00:07:24,240 --> 00:07:27,200 Speaker 1: uh I told him I was a pretty good pass blocker. 125 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 1: So he went out on the field without pads and 126 00:07:30,560 --> 00:07:33,840 Speaker 1: I really didn't expect him to bull rush me, and 127 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 1: that's what he did. I thought he would try to, 128 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: you know, go around me, and he bull rushed me 129 00:07:38,840 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: literally a little lifted me off my feet and when 130 00:07:41,160 --> 00:07:45,040 Speaker 1: I landed, I could hear my knee pop. And that 131 00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: was the last time that you guys played football together. 132 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,800 Speaker 1: I assume, Oh, yeah, you know, It's just part of 133 00:07:53,800 --> 00:07:58,120 Speaker 1: that is I was on the ground. I was rather 134 00:07:58,200 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 1: in pain. I told him I think I blew my 135 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,920 Speaker 1: knee up, and he just kept on laughing and he 136 00:08:02,960 --> 00:08:06,680 Speaker 1: walked where he left me in the middle field. He 137 00:08:06,880 --> 00:08:12,840 Speaker 1: just walked away from you. He walked away from me. Wow. Nope, 138 00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:19,000 Speaker 1: And you know you have the killer instinct. You played 139 00:08:19,200 --> 00:08:23,080 Speaker 1: football at Georgia Tech and you're a co national champion 140 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 1: in what what did Carl ever rely on you for 141 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,720 Speaker 1: football outside of leaving you on the ground after he 142 00:08:31,960 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 1: after he hurt your knee? What was that relation his 143 00:08:35,920 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: youth football team. I was one of the coaches on 144 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: the team. But I'll be the point, not the coach's position. 145 00:08:42,800 --> 00:08:47,880 Speaker 1: But um, that's how he really started. It wasn't he 146 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:50,200 Speaker 1: wasn't old enough or around for us to see US 147 00:08:50,200 --> 00:08:56,160 Speaker 1: win the national championship, but uh, he met enough football 148 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:00,960 Speaker 1: players in his time during that time two. I don't 149 00:09:00,960 --> 00:09:04,240 Speaker 1: know if he identified with us, but he wanted to 150 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:06,600 Speaker 1: know that all that he could for someone that played 151 00:09:06,600 --> 00:09:10,640 Speaker 1: college football. You know, when did you know that Carl 152 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,760 Speaker 1: had a chance to play at college? And then the 153 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:15,600 Speaker 1: same thing in college? When did you know that he 154 00:09:15,640 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: had a chance to play at the next level. Honestly, 155 00:09:19,440 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: he was about nine, and I knew what it was 156 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:25,560 Speaker 1: gonna be good. The first time we had him in 157 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:31,080 Speaker 1: old school hitting drills. He hit this kid and it 158 00:09:31,160 --> 00:09:35,040 Speaker 1: was like a car crash. And he didn't He wasn't 159 00:09:35,080 --> 00:09:39,440 Speaker 1: taught to hit, but he just loved it. And during 160 00:09:39,480 --> 00:09:42,760 Speaker 1: practices he always wanted to be be on defense and 161 00:09:42,840 --> 00:09:46,560 Speaker 1: he never wanted to play offense. And he would get 162 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:50,600 Speaker 1: mad when he didn't hit. So he's always been physical. 163 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:57,000 Speaker 1: He would literally, at nine in ten disrupt practice enough. 164 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,160 Speaker 1: But we have to sit him down. We couldn't. We couldn't. 165 00:10:01,400 --> 00:10:03,880 Speaker 1: It's not the ball. And then in the league we 166 00:10:03,920 --> 00:10:10,000 Speaker 1: played it in Bunette County, I made the mistake of 167 00:10:10,000 --> 00:10:17,440 Speaker 1: offering ten dollars a sack and was Carl always like 168 00:10:18,320 --> 00:10:21,679 Speaker 1: when when when I see Carl now? He's obviously extremely 169 00:10:21,720 --> 00:10:26,280 Speaker 1: well built. You often hear stories about football players at 170 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:28,640 Speaker 1: a younger age who weren't allowed to play. We're just 171 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:32,160 Speaker 1: towered over other people or what were much bigger and stronger? 172 00:10:33,080 --> 00:10:37,120 Speaker 1: Was outside of being physical? Was Carl like a bigger, 173 00:10:37,240 --> 00:10:42,600 Speaker 1: stronger version than the other kids his age? Remarkably, he 174 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: was one of our smaller kids because he probably played 175 00:10:46,240 --> 00:10:50,640 Speaker 1: a year up. And uh, one of the great things 176 00:10:50,679 --> 00:10:53,200 Speaker 1: about Burnette County Youth League is that they don't have 177 00:10:53,240 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 1: weight limits. So at nine or ten, we had kids 178 00:10:56,400 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: probably a hundred and eighty hundred and ninety pounds. He 179 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: was like hundred and twenty pounds. So it's always playing 180 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:07,320 Speaker 1: against bigger kids. I think it helped him to not 181 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: have a fear of size. What was the recruitment process 182 00:11:11,960 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: like for you? For like, why was Auburn the right 183 00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,440 Speaker 1: choice for your son? Do you feel the proximity to Atlanta? 184 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:22,200 Speaker 1: Because I didn't want him to be too far away 185 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: where if something happened, I could get to him. So 186 00:11:26,320 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: we were nine ninety minutes away from Auburn, And you know, 187 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,200 Speaker 1: it came down to Auburn Clemson Tennessee in Alabama, and 188 00:11:35,240 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: I just felt more comfortable with Auburn with the family atmosphere. 189 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 1: Did you ever interact with coach Kevin Green, the late 190 00:11:45,160 --> 00:11:49,960 Speaker 1: Kevin Green, Because the relationship between Carl and Kevin, who 191 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 1: also coach here at the Jets for a couple of 192 00:11:51,960 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: years a couple of years ago, he they seemed to 193 00:11:54,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 1: be very close. So I'm wondering, you know, what, what 194 00:11:56,840 --> 00:11:59,920 Speaker 1: was your relationship like with Kevin Green? And also like 195 00:12:00,240 --> 00:12:02,320 Speaker 1: what kind of impact do you think he had on 196 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:06,719 Speaker 1: your son? My interaction with him were you was more 197 00:12:06,800 --> 00:12:10,079 Speaker 1: just cordial. I wasn't as close to him as Carl was, 198 00:12:10,559 --> 00:12:13,760 Speaker 1: but it was somebody that not only did he want 199 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:17,080 Speaker 1: going to his house and spend time with him, it 200 00:12:17,200 --> 00:12:19,560 Speaker 1: was he was a mentor. Carl always called him and 201 00:12:19,559 --> 00:12:24,960 Speaker 1: get that advice. Um. The first time Carl went, he 202 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,360 Speaker 1: came back with a book of notes that Kevin taught 203 00:12:27,400 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 1: him on the art of pass rushing, and uh, he's 204 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,280 Speaker 1: used it ever since. Was there a moment in college 205 00:12:37,360 --> 00:12:40,400 Speaker 1: watching your son where you felt like, you know what 206 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,520 Speaker 1: you know, similar to the nine year old story, when 207 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,199 Speaker 1: he was the most physical at practice. Was there a 208 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:48,320 Speaker 1: play or was there a point in time where you were, like, 209 00:12:48,400 --> 00:12:50,520 Speaker 1: I really think Carl has a shot to go to 210 00:12:50,520 --> 00:12:53,360 Speaker 1: the next level, and not only that, but be successful 211 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:57,319 Speaker 1: at the next level in the NFL. Me personally, I've 212 00:12:57,600 --> 00:13:00,640 Speaker 1: always had a strong belief in him and knew Carl 213 00:13:00,720 --> 00:13:03,440 Speaker 1: had what it took take. I knew Carl had what 214 00:13:03,559 --> 00:13:06,439 Speaker 1: it takes to go to the NFL coming out of 215 00:13:06,520 --> 00:13:09,719 Speaker 1: high school. It was just a matter of if he 216 00:13:09,840 --> 00:13:14,120 Speaker 1: stayed passionate and he stayed healthy. I think all the 217 00:13:14,160 --> 00:13:17,760 Speaker 1: way back and vis junior in high school, I pretty 218 00:13:17,800 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 1: much knew that he had a strong chance to go 219 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:24,120 Speaker 1: to the NFL because I over the years as a 220 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:29,080 Speaker 1: strength and conditioning coach, I have coached the uh you 221 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:35,080 Speaker 1: know some NFL players, some pretty successful ones, and physically 222 00:13:35,760 --> 00:13:38,040 Speaker 1: Carlos a junior in high school, was ahead of way 223 00:13:38,080 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 1: they are. Well, what makes you say that, I'm just 224 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:45,840 Speaker 1: curious that people don't know this. Carl was bench pressing 225 00:13:46,840 --> 00:13:49,199 Speaker 1: four and fifty five pounds is of junior in high 226 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:54,960 Speaker 1: school and running the four six forty So just as 227 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: I know in my profession, I knew there was those 228 00:13:58,920 --> 00:14:02,960 Speaker 1: were already NFL type numbers. The difference between Carl and 229 00:14:02,960 --> 00:14:06,880 Speaker 1: a lot of players. Is he loves to work and 230 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: he has certain genetic gifts that even though you have 231 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: people who will dig in for not being the longest 232 00:14:14,880 --> 00:14:19,480 Speaker 1: of players, the difference is it's like Mike Tyson. Obviously 233 00:14:19,680 --> 00:14:23,000 Speaker 1: tell him, I said, Mike Tyson was the tallest player, 234 00:14:23,720 --> 00:14:27,480 Speaker 1: but he was the most powerful and explosive. So Carl 235 00:14:27,560 --> 00:14:30,120 Speaker 1: makes up for the lack of height with a power 236 00:14:30,240 --> 00:14:33,960 Speaker 1: explosion that most three and twenty pounders are in shot 237 00:14:34,000 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 1: when they feel it. You mentioned Carl's work ethic. He's 238 00:14:37,760 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: mentioned it, the coaching staff here has mentioned it. We've 239 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: seen it if you if you follow him on Instagram, 240 00:14:42,360 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: you can see how hard he works. And you can 241 00:14:44,680 --> 00:14:48,240 Speaker 1: obviously see justin by his build, how hard he works 242 00:14:48,280 --> 00:14:50,360 Speaker 1: in the gym and in the off season in particular. 243 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:53,040 Speaker 1: Where does that come from? Both his mom and I 244 00:14:54,400 --> 00:14:58,040 Speaker 1: um Another thing that I left out, and this is 245 00:14:58,040 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 1: a know how a new Carl also like the work. 246 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,800 Speaker 1: When Carl was twelve, he started working out with some 247 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: NFL players in the summer and they would run him 248 00:15:10,040 --> 00:15:14,440 Speaker 1: into the ground, but he never quit and he started 249 00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,280 Speaker 1: catching up. So we always use the philosophy. When he 250 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,520 Speaker 1: was in high school, we wanted to work against college 251 00:15:22,520 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: players when he was in college, he wanted to work 252 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 1: against NFL players, So that to me was a pretty 253 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:31,320 Speaker 1: good indicator of where we would be. The only thing 254 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:34,080 Speaker 1: we didn't factor in necessarily would be the injury factor. 255 00:15:35,000 --> 00:15:38,560 Speaker 1: But all things considered, he's always been ready for this. 256 00:15:39,120 --> 00:15:43,760 Speaker 1: He's always been the Maniah calling his work ethic. And 257 00:15:43,800 --> 00:15:47,120 Speaker 1: the reason is this because he loves it to you know, 258 00:15:47,200 --> 00:15:50,720 Speaker 1: it's like breathing to him. Carl goes through free agency 259 00:15:51,040 --> 00:15:54,320 Speaker 1: this past March. He lands with the Jets. What was 260 00:15:54,360 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: your interaction with him like and what was the during 261 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 1: the free agency process? And what was your react when 262 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:04,080 Speaker 1: he told you, like, hey, like, I'm signing with the 263 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 1: Jets and I've signed a second contract in the NFL. 264 00:16:07,440 --> 00:16:10,160 Speaker 1: Robert Sala had a great deal to do with it 265 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:18,160 Speaker 1: because he was extremely excited. I think, um, he wanted 266 00:16:18,160 --> 00:16:23,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity two what he's what he's done in the NFL. 267 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 1: He's always felt like he's he's been held back, and 268 00:16:28,600 --> 00:16:31,840 Speaker 1: I think with the Jets he'll have an opportunity with 269 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: an organization it seems like they believe in them. You know. 270 00:16:36,560 --> 00:16:38,600 Speaker 1: It was first year and sat Cincinnati had eight and 271 00:16:38,640 --> 00:16:41,800 Speaker 1: a half sacks and they only played him on third down. 272 00:16:43,320 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 1: So in the history of the NFL, only two players 273 00:16:47,560 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: have ever gotten over eight sacks as a rookie and 274 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:54,120 Speaker 1: didn't start, and he's one of them. So moving on 275 00:16:54,120 --> 00:16:57,200 Speaker 1: to the next year, he had another defensive coordinator and 276 00:16:57,320 --> 00:17:00,880 Speaker 1: unfortunately he hurt his knee and and they got another 277 00:17:00,920 --> 00:17:04,240 Speaker 1: defense according to his third year, so it's always been 278 00:17:04,280 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 1: like an uphill battle for him trying to prove himself 279 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:14,159 Speaker 1: or to be appreciated. With the jetse feels appreciated and 280 00:17:14,240 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: he probably feels like this system fits is getting better 281 00:17:17,720 --> 00:17:20,879 Speaker 1: than any of the system. Really cool insight from Carl 282 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:24,679 Speaker 1: Lawson Senior and what I really liked one answer in particular. 283 00:17:24,760 --> 00:17:28,080 Speaker 1: I mean you mentioned Carl not having the longest arm. 284 00:17:28,119 --> 00:17:31,480 Speaker 1: She's probably heard that for a while now, but his 285 00:17:31,600 --> 00:17:35,679 Speaker 1: father said, look, Mike Tyson not the longest boxer, but 286 00:17:35,800 --> 00:17:38,240 Speaker 1: he made up for with his explosion. And that was 287 00:17:38,280 --> 00:17:42,679 Speaker 1: the comparison that Carl Lawson Senior used for Carl Lawson Junior, 288 00:17:42,720 --> 00:17:44,480 Speaker 1: who I did not know as a junior until we 289 00:17:44,520 --> 00:17:47,320 Speaker 1: recorded this podcast with his father. So what do you 290 00:17:47,320 --> 00:17:50,639 Speaker 1: think about that comparison? I love Tyson him one of 291 00:17:50,680 --> 00:17:53,720 Speaker 1: the most intimidating athletes. Is that like a fair That's 292 00:17:53,760 --> 00:17:57,080 Speaker 1: true though I've ever seen um. Yeah, because Tyson wasn't 293 00:17:57,920 --> 00:18:01,360 Speaker 1: the longest boxer. If you're looking for a big boxer 294 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:03,840 Speaker 1: as far as heavy weights are concerned, you go to 295 00:18:03,920 --> 00:18:07,320 Speaker 1: Lenox Lewis, and Lewis did take down Tyson, but that 296 00:18:07,400 --> 00:18:11,520 Speaker 1: was after Tyson's prime. Listen when and when Tyson's prime, 297 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,359 Speaker 1: when he was in his early twenties, late teens, he 298 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,639 Speaker 1: just came into the rain. Uh. He was devastating and 299 00:18:19,680 --> 00:18:23,760 Speaker 1: he could beat you before even getting in there because 300 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:26,199 Speaker 1: he was so intimidating. He was almost one of the 301 00:18:26,200 --> 00:18:31,640 Speaker 1: most intimidating sports presences I'd ever seen. Um, But yeah, 302 00:18:31,640 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: you're right. Listen shorter, So in a boxing ring, it 303 00:18:35,160 --> 00:18:40,120 Speaker 1: helps if you're you know, keeping the jab, you got 304 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,240 Speaker 1: the reach right. So for a guy who doesn't have 305 00:18:43,640 --> 00:18:46,320 Speaker 1: long arms, you gotta get inside that. And Tyson could 306 00:18:46,440 --> 00:18:49,439 Speaker 1: get inside that with his athleticism. And Carl Lawson is 307 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:53,240 Speaker 1: a tremendous athlete, there's no doubt about that. And he 308 00:18:53,280 --> 00:18:57,359 Speaker 1: loves the game. Mike Tyson to use a parallel He 309 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:01,480 Speaker 1: trained under custom model Tye sin It was an avid 310 00:19:01,480 --> 00:19:04,560 Speaker 1: follower of the sport. He could talk about any boxer 311 00:19:04,680 --> 00:19:08,480 Speaker 1: from any decade. Carl Lawson is a guy who can 312 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:12,480 Speaker 1: talk about any pass rusher because he goes on YouTube 313 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:17,160 Speaker 1: and he studies not only the guys who are wreaking 314 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:21,280 Speaker 1: havoc on the edge or the interior, but the offensive 315 00:19:21,240 --> 00:19:24,320 Speaker 1: alignment he is going to play. He is like one 316 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 1: of many jets on the current rosters we're seeing Joe Douglas, 317 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:32,719 Speaker 1: Rex Hogan, Robert Sala and company build this team. Lawson 318 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:35,719 Speaker 1: loves the game. Yeah, and that was that was one 319 00:19:35,760 --> 00:19:39,720 Speaker 1: of the things that I think everyone you just mentioned, Douglas, Hogan, 320 00:19:39,800 --> 00:19:43,200 Speaker 1: the scouting staff, solid the coaching staff, they all hammered 321 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: that home like you gotta love the game of football. 322 00:19:46,359 --> 00:19:48,080 Speaker 1: I think it was one of the quotes from Douglas 323 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,720 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago saying he's looking for players 324 00:19:51,000 --> 00:19:52,680 Speaker 1: that hate to lose more than they want to win, 325 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:57,160 Speaker 1: and I think that Lawson is definitely one of them. 326 00:19:57,160 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 1: He also said, I mean, correct me if I'm wrong. 327 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:02,439 Speaker 1: His initial a press conference, wasn't he talking about watching 328 00:20:02,920 --> 00:20:06,320 Speaker 1: YouTube highlights of Robert Sala on the sideline as the 329 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,920 Speaker 1: forty Niners d C. Well, and then it'll also give 330 00:20:09,000 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: you it also give you a little bit of a 331 00:20:10,840 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: light how Lawson's mind works. He said he was excited 332 00:20:15,040 --> 00:20:17,720 Speaker 1: to get out there at mini camp just for a 333 00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:20,840 Speaker 1: few snaps after going through the acclamation period at O. T. A. S. 334 00:20:20,880 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: He said, I'm excited to see where I make my mistakes, 335 00:20:24,359 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 1: not like where I'm excelling, but where I can actually 336 00:20:27,359 --> 00:20:31,000 Speaker 1: make my improvements. Um all brick jeff All Break, the 337 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: Jets defensive coordinator, raved about his work ethic and he's 338 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 1: a unique guy. If you get a chance to spend 339 00:20:38,160 --> 00:20:41,640 Speaker 1: some time with Carl Lawson, he's got a great personality, 340 00:20:42,160 --> 00:20:47,800 Speaker 1: very bubbly smart um. But on the football field, he 341 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 1: turns on a switch. Because if he's in here we're 342 00:20:50,560 --> 00:20:53,160 Speaker 1: having a conversation with him, you're like, wow, this guy's 343 00:20:53,160 --> 00:20:55,760 Speaker 1: are really nice and it's kind of laid back but 344 00:20:55,880 --> 00:20:59,280 Speaker 1: just has this engaging personality. But he becomes a violent 345 00:20:59,320 --> 00:21:03,080 Speaker 1: force on the field. He's very, very energetic. But I 346 00:21:03,560 --> 00:21:08,040 Speaker 1: think he's very genuine, authentic, and I think that's thoughtful 347 00:21:08,080 --> 00:21:09,840 Speaker 1: with his answers. A lot of people you talked to 348 00:21:09,920 --> 00:21:13,560 Speaker 1: will not you know, they have some canned football responses. 349 00:21:13,760 --> 00:21:15,919 Speaker 1: That's not part of who lost in this, right, You 350 00:21:15,960 --> 00:21:18,320 Speaker 1: can tell he's very thoughtful with his answers. And you know, 351 00:21:18,359 --> 00:21:20,919 Speaker 1: as we transition to hearing to Nick Easton in a 352 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,600 Speaker 1: couple of minutes, what were your biggest takeaways after interviewing 353 00:21:25,680 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: Easton and learning more about not only their dynamic and Cincinnati, 354 00:21:29,520 --> 00:21:33,080 Speaker 1: but lost In and basically you know what he was 355 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 1: capable of and how he performed on the field well. 356 00:21:36,040 --> 00:21:39,160 Speaker 1: Early on in his career, it was Hey, his loss 357 00:21:39,160 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 1: and a liability against the run, and we're in Cincinnati. 358 00:21:44,160 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: It was like, we're gonna use him and pass rushing 359 00:21:46,320 --> 00:21:49,199 Speaker 1: situations because that's what he does well. But if you 360 00:21:49,240 --> 00:21:51,560 Speaker 1: look at the development of his career, he became a 361 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: three down player last year and he became better against 362 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:59,600 Speaker 1: the run. But make no mistake about it, he's being 363 00:21:59,640 --> 00:22:05,600 Speaker 1: paid to rush the quarterback um and you saw Nick Eason. 364 00:22:05,880 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: What he'll talk about is his development as a leader too. 365 00:22:09,119 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: He said, we bring all the defense, the lineman in 366 00:22:11,960 --> 00:22:14,840 Speaker 1: and I want a message coming from the group. And 367 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:18,040 Speaker 1: it was also it was always lost In in Cincinnati 368 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,320 Speaker 1: who got that group together and going. So he's a 369 00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:24,400 Speaker 1: guy who's gonna lead by example in terms in terms 370 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:27,320 Speaker 1: of the way he pushed himself on the field, but 371 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: the way he pushes himself off of the field. And 372 00:22:30,880 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 1: also I think he's looking at this as an opportunity 373 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:36,000 Speaker 1: of being part of the turnaround. And when you look 374 00:22:36,040 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: at the Jets free agency class in two thousand twenty 375 00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:45,240 Speaker 1: one will be looking back at it and saying, how 376 00:22:45,240 --> 00:22:49,520 Speaker 1: did it fair? Largely based on how guys like lost 377 00:22:49,560 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 1: In and Corey Davis did. Yeah, I definitely agree with that. 378 00:22:52,440 --> 00:23:02,760 Speaker 1: And with that, let's hear from Nick Eason. Nick, when 379 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,639 Speaker 1: you got to Cincinnati, what did you know of Carl 380 00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 1: loss In the player and Carl loss In the person? Uh? 381 00:23:09,880 --> 00:23:16,720 Speaker 1: Man I had met Carl actually went out was with 382 00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:21,600 Speaker 1: the Tennessee Titans. Had came across him during a pro day. Um. 383 00:23:21,680 --> 00:23:25,280 Speaker 1: At the time, I knew that he was a guy 384 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:27,560 Speaker 1: that was a really hard worker. I knew that he 385 00:23:27,640 --> 00:23:30,160 Speaker 1: was someone that took very good care of his body. 386 00:23:31,080 --> 00:23:33,960 Speaker 1: UM knew that he was someone that loved football, a 387 00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 1: man of that was committed and uh, a man that 388 00:23:38,920 --> 00:23:42,520 Speaker 1: is disciplined and focused. Um. You know, he was guy 389 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:46,080 Speaker 1: that I knew that was gonna, um do all the 390 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:49,760 Speaker 1: things the right way on and off the field. UM, 391 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 1: high character, guy that was gonna treat people right and 392 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,359 Speaker 1: uh so, um, you know meeting him was you know, 393 00:23:57,400 --> 00:23:59,399 Speaker 1: having a guy like him and meeting a guy like 394 00:23:59,480 --> 00:24:02,119 Speaker 1: him is it is a blessing, you know, to to 395 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:06,280 Speaker 1: makes your job easy as a coach. Um. But he 396 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,280 Speaker 1: did all the things the right way, did everything I 397 00:24:08,280 --> 00:24:11,399 Speaker 1: asked him to do and everything we required him to 398 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,960 Speaker 1: do it and he did it, you know, with hundred 399 00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:19,040 Speaker 1: ten percent effort every day. And you always take clay 400 00:24:19,119 --> 00:24:22,080 Speaker 1: and then you start molding these players into what you 401 00:24:22,160 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 1: want them to be. When you got to Cincinnati, you 402 00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 1: looked at the game film. What did you see? And 403 00:24:28,560 --> 00:24:33,600 Speaker 1: then what did you say we have to work on here? Um, 404 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: Carls is very explosive off the line of scrimmage. He's 405 00:24:37,200 --> 00:24:40,280 Speaker 1: very strong, Um, you know for an outside back of 406 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: defensive end. You know, he he's gout, has natural leverage. Um, 407 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, not the tallest guy, not the longest guy. 408 00:24:48,280 --> 00:24:50,760 Speaker 1: Uh and gimly Um. Guys who play at a high 409 00:24:50,880 --> 00:24:53,400 Speaker 1: level that don't have a link at the defensive and position, 410 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:55,840 Speaker 1: you know, which you know, in a perfect world, you 411 00:24:55,960 --> 00:24:59,159 Speaker 1: like for everybody to be six five loan you know, 412 00:24:59,240 --> 00:25:02,359 Speaker 1: and tall and and and and have uh you know, 413 00:25:02,359 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: to be able to play with great leverage. You know, 414 00:25:04,240 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: Carl is you know, you know six to um very 415 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:10,720 Speaker 1: com to pack, very powerful, and the guys that are 416 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:14,160 Speaker 1: that looked like him usually have a lot of attributes 417 00:25:14,800 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: that can make up for the lack of height in length, 418 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:21,960 Speaker 1: and he has that. UM noticed that he was very explosive. Um, 419 00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,600 Speaker 1: you know, you know, things that we need to just 420 00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: work on with him and just you know how he 421 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:28,960 Speaker 1: plays against the run, um technique and fundamentals and against 422 00:25:29,000 --> 00:25:32,120 Speaker 1: the run game. UM, but um we we we did 423 00:25:32,119 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: a good job with just kind of putting him in 424 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:36,639 Speaker 1: the best situation so that he could succeed and putting 425 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:40,119 Speaker 1: him on the edge. And UM, you know initially, UM, 426 00:25:40,160 --> 00:25:42,359 Speaker 1: you know, you know, I thought he struggled against the 427 00:25:42,440 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: run game. But in the second year he really came 428 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,440 Speaker 1: into his own and had a bigger role for us, 429 00:25:48,000 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 1: uh there in Cincinnati, and um, he took the role 430 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 1: on and he produced and had a really good year 431 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,680 Speaker 1: two thousand nineteen and two thousand and twenty. You coach 432 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:59,720 Speaker 1: them up with the Bengals now eight and a half 433 00:26:00,000 --> 00:26:03,840 Speaker 1: exist rookie season and I know you know this as 434 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: a coach that a lot of people just looked to 435 00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:10,000 Speaker 1: the sack is the only statistic that matters is an 436 00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:14,200 Speaker 1: edge disruptor. But he was much more than that, especially 437 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,840 Speaker 1: with the Bengals last season. Where did you see his 438 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:21,760 Speaker 1: most significant significant growth, Nick in between two thousand nineteen 439 00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 1: and two thousand twenty, because you took a guy who 440 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,880 Speaker 1: was working in sub packages and he became a three 441 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:31,280 Speaker 1: down player for it. Yes, sir, Um, he just really 442 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: turenuously focused, tremendously focused in on his body, got healthy, 443 00:26:36,119 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 1: um with you know, he devel some injuries in two 444 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,679 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen and still had a production that he had 445 00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:43,680 Speaker 1: and just a few games that he played in and 446 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: took really good care of his body done and things 447 00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,200 Speaker 1: he needed to do in the off season and during 448 00:26:48,200 --> 00:26:51,720 Speaker 1: training camp and out throughout the entire season. But but 449 00:26:51,800 --> 00:26:53,760 Speaker 1: in terms of him, what did he improve? And I 450 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 1: think he improved your ministry and playing the run game. 451 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,720 Speaker 1: It really just came down to him trusting himself because 452 00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:01,040 Speaker 1: he has all the tools to play be at all 453 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:04,200 Speaker 1: three down player. You know, like you mentioned already mentioned earlier, 454 00:27:04,680 --> 00:27:06,840 Speaker 1: he was kind of a sub sub packaged guy, sub 455 00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:10,560 Speaker 1: rusher on third down, situational pass rusher for us. And 456 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:12,680 Speaker 1: and uh we felt that you know, going in two 457 00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:14,960 Speaker 1: Down twenty he showed that he can play. Um that 458 00:27:15,040 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: he improved and playing against the run, and so he 459 00:27:17,840 --> 00:27:21,119 Speaker 1: became a three down player for US. Became a leading 460 00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 1: force not only by his action but also a vocal leader. 461 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,360 Speaker 1: He was the guy that I called upon, like, I'm 462 00:27:27,400 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: a guy that brings up the defensive line together. Uh 463 00:27:30,119 --> 00:27:32,439 Speaker 1: during during the pregame warms up, warm up, and I 464 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:34,040 Speaker 1: have a guy come to the middle of the circle. 465 00:27:34,359 --> 00:27:37,480 Speaker 1: And Carl became that guy. He burned the juice every Sunday. 466 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,920 Speaker 1: Um came to practice with the juice and and uh, 467 00:27:41,000 --> 00:27:43,439 Speaker 1: you know, he was awesome to be around. But you know, 468 00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:45,359 Speaker 1: in terms of improving for Nights in the twenty, it 469 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,760 Speaker 1: just his his ability to to uh defeat the run 470 00:27:48,920 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: and defeat blocks and the run game showed up tremendously 471 00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: and and and and as a pass rusher, Um, it 472 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:56,719 Speaker 1: was just a matter of just getting him to understand, 473 00:27:56,800 --> 00:27:59,760 Speaker 1: hey man, you're gonna be really good, great at two 474 00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,040 Speaker 1: of three different moves with two or three different counters. 475 00:28:02,080 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 1: And Um, he watched the top top pass rusher in 476 00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:07,800 Speaker 1: the NFL. They have one or two moves that they're 477 00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:10,320 Speaker 1: really really good at and nobody can stop it, you know, 478 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 1: and they know what's coming. And he perfected that and 479 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,719 Speaker 1: and then it showed up. You know he you know, 480 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:17,879 Speaker 1: he he didn't get the ten the fifteen sacks, but 481 00:28:17,920 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: he could have easily gotten that. He put a lot 482 00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: of pressure on the quarterback. And he's somebody you know 483 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:25,480 Speaker 1: that offenses offensive lines. You need to know where he's 484 00:28:25,480 --> 00:28:28,400 Speaker 1: at on the line of scrimmage. Steelers and Ben's gonna 485 00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:33,720 Speaker 1: be dropping my football comes out. It's Carlsson who comes 486 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:36,760 Speaker 1: on us. I wished to you do enjoy a coaching Carl. 487 00:28:36,800 --> 00:28:40,760 Speaker 1: It seems like such a great character, and you talked 488 00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:44,600 Speaker 1: about the energy and the juice, but he's also spoken 489 00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 1: that of not just okay, I want to be good, 490 00:28:49,080 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: but he studies other people in the game. He really 491 00:28:52,840 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: has a true love for the game. When you say that, yes, yes, 492 00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,320 Speaker 1: he loves the game. Um, he's the guy that, Um 493 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: you always encourage your guys to to to watch tape. Um, 494 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 1: you don't have to do that with Carl. Carl is 495 00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:07,479 Speaker 1: gonna watch. He's gonna watch other guys and leave. He's 496 00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: gonna find out, you know, study film. He's gonna study 497 00:29:10,240 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 1: offensive linement. I mean, he was going through our video 498 00:29:12,360 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 1: guys asking him for extra tape all the time. He's 499 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 1: a student of the game. He's always been like that, 500 00:29:17,600 --> 00:29:20,880 Speaker 1: even back to his collegiate days. Um, he's gonna ask 501 00:29:20,920 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: a lot of questions. He wants to be in the know, 502 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,719 Speaker 1: and just like you said, he loves football. Um. And 503 00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: so I'm just really excited for him. You know, Um, 504 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:31,560 Speaker 1: Jatt Nation is getting a really good football player with Carl. Um. 505 00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:34,360 Speaker 1: He's gonna do everything right on the fielding off the field. 506 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:36,240 Speaker 1: He's gonna get a hundred ten percent and everything that 507 00:29:36,320 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 1: he does. But yes, he's a true student of the 508 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:41,920 Speaker 1: game and loves football. What was your reaction when you 509 00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,440 Speaker 1: heard carl and signed a deal with the New York Jets. 510 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: You know, you know this, the NFL world is a 511 00:29:49,680 --> 00:29:53,520 Speaker 1: really small world, um, you know, and and and you know, 512 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: I'm you know, coaching the NFFL for the last eight years, 513 00:29:56,840 --> 00:30:01,160 Speaker 1: so you create relationships with different people, um and so, um, 514 00:30:01,200 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 1: you know, it was kind of no surprise, you know, 515 00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:06,600 Speaker 1: for him, But I was really really excited. Um. You know, 516 00:30:06,640 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: the scheme and and and defensively scheme that they'll be 517 00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,800 Speaker 1: running there would be perfect fit for him. And he's 518 00:30:12,840 --> 00:30:15,640 Speaker 1: gonna do really well. Um, he's he's a guy that 519 00:30:15,760 --> 00:30:18,160 Speaker 1: you know that trusts me and I trust him. We 520 00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 1: had some conversations uh in the past about you know 521 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,320 Speaker 1: what I feel like he's best at and uh, I 522 00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:26,880 Speaker 1: feel like that, you know, he landed in the right place. 523 00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:29,800 Speaker 1: And you guys are gonna you're gonna see that. You know, 524 00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:32,400 Speaker 1: this upcoming season, he's gonna do well. Just continue to 525 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,680 Speaker 1: stay healthy and training the way that he does and 526 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: take care of his body, and you're gonna get a 527 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:38,760 Speaker 1: lot of production out of him. He's gonna read having 528 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:42,520 Speaker 1: uh the music to the Ears of the Green and 529 00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:46,640 Speaker 1: White faithful. But nick, uh talking about the physical skill set, 530 00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,160 Speaker 1: You've elaborated on it here. But you said that you 531 00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: think this system is a perfect fit the four three 532 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,720 Speaker 1: that Robert sal is gonna run. Why why do you 533 00:30:56,720 --> 00:31:01,280 Speaker 1: say that? Um, just it's it's it's a tax mentality. UM. 534 00:31:01,320 --> 00:31:04,600 Speaker 1: If you watch the success that uh, you know Coachalid 535 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: has had over in UM in San Francisco, the four rushers, 536 00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:11,000 Speaker 1: the elite rushers that he had there, and car car 537 00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,080 Speaker 1: fits into that package. UM. You know he has the 538 00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:18,480 Speaker 1: great quickness and uh, you know as good football instincts. Um, 539 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,120 Speaker 1: he'll be able to attack and come off the edge. Um, 540 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: he's gonna have to be somebody people don't have to 541 00:31:22,840 --> 00:31:24,520 Speaker 1: know worri he's at on the line of scrimmage and 542 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:27,200 Speaker 1: he can pain his ears back. Um, you know, majority 543 00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:30,560 Speaker 1: of the time he'll be you know, after the quarterback 544 00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: won't have to worry about you know, dropping off from 545 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:36,800 Speaker 1: the coverage often if ever. And uh, and he'll just 546 00:31:36,800 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 1: be able to put his hand in the ground and 547 00:31:38,040 --> 00:31:41,240 Speaker 1: just go and so you know, um, you know, I'm 548 00:31:41,280 --> 00:31:43,840 Speaker 1: excited for him. He's excited. Um. I've talked to him 549 00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 1: since he signed his contract multiple times, and UM, I'm 550 00:31:48,240 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: just excited for him. He's gonna have his best years 551 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: to come, you know there with the Jets and and 552 00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 1: then you guys gonna um, you're gonna hear his name 553 00:31:56,040 --> 00:31:57,760 Speaker 1: a lot of calling Sundays. What do you think about 554 00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: the pairing with Quentin Williams in the middle, How Quinn 555 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:04,600 Speaker 1: and Williams has become one of the best young interior 556 00:32:05,040 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 1: pass rushers in the National Football League. The Jets actually 557 00:32:07,840 --> 00:32:11,080 Speaker 1: added depth to the defensive tackle position getting a former 558 00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: first round picking Sheldon Rankings as well. So he can 559 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,440 Speaker 1: work himself into the rotation. But just thinking about Williams 560 00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:20,640 Speaker 1: in particular in the middle and then Lost and on 561 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,040 Speaker 1: the edge, how they can help each other. I mean 562 00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,440 Speaker 1: you're talking about having a great defensive I mean when 563 00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,680 Speaker 1: you got if you look at the great defensive lines 564 00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:31,560 Speaker 1: and in the NFL, I mean the teams that have 565 00:32:31,720 --> 00:32:35,280 Speaker 1: what we call dudes, great football players. Um, they have 566 00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,560 Speaker 1: dudes in the middle, on the dudes on the outside. 567 00:32:37,680 --> 00:32:40,160 Speaker 1: And when you've got multiple guys that are that are 568 00:32:40,200 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 1: great defensive linement, that can that can play on first, second, 569 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:45,160 Speaker 1: and third down, that can stop the run, that can 570 00:32:45,240 --> 00:32:48,520 Speaker 1: rush the passer, Uh, they can get great penetration. And 571 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:50,920 Speaker 1: having offensive lines, you know, you can be a really 572 00:32:50,920 --> 00:32:53,720 Speaker 1: good defense because everything starts up front. Um. You know, 573 00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,840 Speaker 1: Queenen Is has always been an athletic guy. Just and 574 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,680 Speaker 1: studying him at back in the years when he's at Alabama, Um, 575 00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,800 Speaker 1: he's a great football player. UM. Just adding Carl, you 576 00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:04,720 Speaker 1: know in the mix and you talked about sell the 577 00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:07,960 Speaker 1: Rankin's they're they're putting together a great package up front, 578 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,080 Speaker 1: and it starts up front, and and all of those 579 00:33:10,120 --> 00:33:13,080 Speaker 1: guys have great short air short air quickness, they can 580 00:33:13,080 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: get gap penetration, they can rush the passer um, and 581 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:19,000 Speaker 1: so uh you know, uh, coach Solid is doing a 582 00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:21,280 Speaker 1: great job and just kind of you know, molding that 583 00:33:21,360 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: package and putting the people in the right places for 584 00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:27,040 Speaker 1: them to be successful. And so um it's gonna be great. 585 00:33:27,040 --> 00:33:28,960 Speaker 1: And then you have Carling there and Carls a student 586 00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 1: of the game. You know, I haven't had an opportunity 587 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:32,360 Speaker 1: to be around Queening, but the things I've heard of 588 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,520 Speaker 1: them have been great of coaches who have coached them 589 00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:38,600 Speaker 1: in the past, and so um, it's it's gonna be 590 00:33:38,640 --> 00:33:41,040 Speaker 1: a great combination. Um, you know, because now you gotta 591 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:42,800 Speaker 1: deal with you know, guys on the in the inside, 592 00:33:42,840 --> 00:33:44,360 Speaker 1: and you gotta deal with some guys on the outside. 593 00:33:44,720 --> 00:33:46,320 Speaker 1: And as you see if you look around the NFL, 594 00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:49,120 Speaker 1: those those great defensive line, Um, they have dudes at 595 00:33:49,120 --> 00:33:51,560 Speaker 1: every position up front, whether it's that in or interior. 596 00:33:51,840 --> 00:33:54,720 Speaker 1: And so um, they're they're building a building a great 597 00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: defense there. It's one of the few times where Auburn 598 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:01,600 Speaker 1: and Alabama can come together. Those guys will be happy 599 00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,880 Speaker 1: to be teammates here on the professional level. What's your 600 00:34:05,880 --> 00:34:09,799 Speaker 1: favorite Carl Lawson story? Do you have one that stands out? 601 00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: I know from the two thousand, twenty season. Obviously, on 602 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:17,920 Speaker 1: the field, his best game might have been against potential 603 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,359 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame player and Jason Peters. But is there 604 00:34:20,400 --> 00:34:22,960 Speaker 1: anything that stands out, either on the field or off 605 00:34:22,960 --> 00:34:28,200 Speaker 1: the field that you could share with us? Uh? You know, Uh, 606 00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:30,319 Speaker 1: I have a lot of stories about Carl, something that 607 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:34,920 Speaker 1: I'm not going to share. Uh. But but you know, 608 00:34:35,200 --> 00:34:38,720 Speaker 1: just just the thing with Carl man Um, he's always 609 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: going to compete. You know, he loves football. You know. 610 00:34:43,080 --> 00:34:45,400 Speaker 1: You know, I think the thing that's that's funny with 611 00:34:45,440 --> 00:34:48,040 Speaker 1: me that I can mention about Carl that we joked 612 00:34:48,080 --> 00:34:50,279 Speaker 1: with him about a lot of times. You know, he 613 00:34:50,320 --> 00:34:53,680 Speaker 1: wears he has a unique dress code. He'll fit right 614 00:34:53,680 --> 00:34:57,120 Speaker 1: into to New York. Um. You know, he's he's a 615 00:34:57,120 --> 00:34:58,959 Speaker 1: fit guy. So he can wear a lot of things 616 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:01,839 Speaker 1: that I can't wear. Um. You know, but you'll you'll 617 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: see a lot of a lot of different things. He's 618 00:35:03,920 --> 00:35:06,080 Speaker 1: not he's really not out of in terms of out 619 00:35:06,080 --> 00:35:07,960 Speaker 1: of space with him in terms of in terms of 620 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,640 Speaker 1: how he dresses. But he's a different cat. But the 621 00:35:10,680 --> 00:35:13,640 Speaker 1: one thing about it is man, Uh, that that I 622 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: would say about the kid, he's gonna he's gonna be humble. Um, 623 00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:20,600 Speaker 1: he's gonna treat everybody right in the building. Uh you know, 624 00:35:20,640 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: support staff is gonna love him, training wrong, people gonna 625 00:35:22,960 --> 00:35:24,960 Speaker 1: love equipment, people gonna love them, Fans gonna love him. 626 00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:28,239 Speaker 1: He's very humble, Uh you know, not arrogant by all 627 00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:31,040 Speaker 1: means necessary. Just a good dude. It's good to everybody. 628 00:35:31,560 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 1: And uh, you know the dust the thing that I 629 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: love the most about him, to be honest with that 630 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:37,920 Speaker 1: I can say about him, he's just he's a good person, 631 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,239 Speaker 1: very humble and uh you know, and that's a big 632 00:35:41,280 --> 00:35:44,000 Speaker 1: thing for me. Man, Just treating everybody right and and 633 00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 1: and he's coachable. Um, you can coach him hard, and 634 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,319 Speaker 1: he's gonna respond well to hard coaching when you get 635 00:35:49,320 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: out them, and he's gonna produce. And uh so I'm 636 00:35:52,800 --> 00:35:55,640 Speaker 1: just excited, you know, excited for him, Um, you know, 637 00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: to to be you know, laying in there with the 638 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:00,680 Speaker 1: jets and um getting the freshmen are it up there 639 00:36:00,719 --> 00:36:05,280 Speaker 1: and have an opportunity to continue to continue his career 640 00:36:05,440 --> 00:36:07,799 Speaker 1: and I think his best years. Let's come both interviews 641 00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:10,399 Speaker 1: in the books. We've heard from Carl Lawson, Sr. We've 642 00:36:10,400 --> 00:36:14,400 Speaker 1: heard from Nick Eason. Now let's talk about this Jets 643 00:36:14,400 --> 00:36:18,000 Speaker 1: defensive line with Carl Lawson on the edge. We we 644 00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,640 Speaker 1: we heard about the system fit from both laws and 645 00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,479 Speaker 1: Easton and the two of us. Well, I think where 646 00:36:23,600 --> 00:36:26,439 Speaker 1: Jets fans really get excited is now you have lost 647 00:36:26,600 --> 00:36:30,000 Speaker 1: on on the edge. He got Quinnin Williams in the interior. 648 00:36:30,320 --> 00:36:32,320 Speaker 1: Not to mention the other guys on the interior and 649 00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:35,560 Speaker 1: the edge, if you were to double team one of them, 650 00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:38,120 Speaker 1: this is a pick your poison scenario. How about the 651 00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:43,479 Speaker 1: Auburn Alabama dynamic? They're up front for the Jets this year. Uh, 652 00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: not too often we see Auburn and Alabama coming together, 653 00:36:47,680 --> 00:36:50,240 Speaker 1: But for Jets fans, this could be a special tandem 654 00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:55,879 Speaker 1: because Jeff Allbrick talks about well, sometimes you can get 655 00:36:55,960 --> 00:36:58,719 Speaker 1: pressure from the edge, but a quarterback can step up 656 00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:03,040 Speaker 1: where the Jets potentially could be very dynamic if things 657 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:05,640 Speaker 1: work out as Quinnin Williams had seven sacks last year. 658 00:37:06,160 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 1: Sheldon Rankins was an oppressive pass rusher in New Orleans 659 00:37:10,680 --> 00:37:13,719 Speaker 1: when he was healthy, A former first round pick himself. 660 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,719 Speaker 1: Those two guys penetrating means that a quarterback can't really 661 00:37:18,760 --> 00:37:23,640 Speaker 1: step up, So where is he going to go? Um? Yeah, 662 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: I really like what the Jets have done up front, 663 00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:30,240 Speaker 1: and then across the way, Vinny Curry an underrated signing 664 00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,319 Speaker 1: because he's a big time culture guy and he's gonna 665 00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:36,680 Speaker 1: provide a lot of leadership in that locker room as well. 666 00:37:36,760 --> 00:37:41,160 Speaker 1: Uh In Lawson, he's a unique guy who Eastern believes 667 00:37:42,600 --> 00:37:45,560 Speaker 1: when it's all said and done with the Jets, he's 668 00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,520 Speaker 1: going to become a double digit sack guy. I think 669 00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:51,440 Speaker 1: that's what Jets fans are clamoring for. You know. Also, 670 00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:54,040 Speaker 1: real quick when you said Easton, I thought you said Ethan, 671 00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:57,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, Oh, he really put me under 672 00:37:57,040 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 1: the fire here. But I think in that I think 673 00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:04,400 Speaker 1: Jets fans are hoping that Carl Lawson does become that player. 674 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:08,400 Speaker 1: And I feel like a lot of the chat, not 675 00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,680 Speaker 1: around the league, but like when you hear different analysts 676 00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,799 Speaker 1: talk about the Jets free agency a couple of months ago, 677 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:17,160 Speaker 1: there wasn't somebody that didn't like the laws in signing. 678 00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,279 Speaker 1: Everyone's like, oh, you know that the stats are not 679 00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:22,480 Speaker 1: indicative of what Carl Lawson is capable of from his 680 00:38:22,520 --> 00:38:25,200 Speaker 1: Cincinnati days now with the Jets in this defensive line 681 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:28,080 Speaker 1: and the attack style defense that Jeff all Brooks is 682 00:38:28,120 --> 00:38:30,760 Speaker 1: gonna run. It feels like it's a match made in heaven. 683 00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,520 Speaker 1: And this defensive line, you know, I think it has 684 00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,560 Speaker 1: some serious potential. Granted they have to now go out 685 00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: and prove it. No, I agree with that. I like 686 00:38:40,080 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: laws his attitude. Easton has talked about him being so coachable. Uh, 687 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,360 Speaker 1: a guy is gonna give you everything on the field, 688 00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:51,080 Speaker 1: and we talked about what he does off the field. 689 00:38:51,719 --> 00:38:53,920 Speaker 1: This is this quote from Lawson. I would do everything 690 00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 1: in my power to reach my highest level of potential 691 00:38:57,000 --> 00:38:59,840 Speaker 1: and what I think I possibly can be, which is 692 00:39:00,080 --> 00:39:07,319 Speaker 1: something otherworldly, other worldly. So otherworldly means Carl Lawson has 693 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:11,640 Speaker 1: some goals that are way up there. Okay, so he's 694 00:39:11,680 --> 00:39:14,160 Speaker 1: gonna be reaching for the stars and beyond. But if 695 00:39:14,200 --> 00:39:18,480 Speaker 1: he falls somewhere shy that he's still going to be 696 00:39:18,560 --> 00:39:22,200 Speaker 1: given you a ton, a ton of stats, a ton 697 00:39:22,239 --> 00:39:25,759 Speaker 1: of production, a ton inside the room. I love a 698 00:39:25,760 --> 00:39:31,200 Speaker 1: guy who is so internally motivated. And I also like 699 00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:33,759 Speaker 1: about Lawson that Ethan talked about. I said, what's one 700 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: thing you don't know about? And he said that, you know, 701 00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:40,960 Speaker 1: he's a very interesting dresser. He's so New York. He's 702 00:39:40,960 --> 00:39:43,640 Speaker 1: got a Yeah, like, I think this guy is going 703 00:39:43,680 --> 00:39:47,759 Speaker 1: to fit in very well in New York because he's 704 00:39:47,760 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: got that launchpal worth work ethic, and he's also got 705 00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,640 Speaker 1: a flair about him. Yeah, I think he will. I 706 00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:57,120 Speaker 1: think the New York market will really like Carl Awston 707 00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,759 Speaker 1: because of what we talked about before, being genuine, being 708 00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,360 Speaker 1: awful with his answers, and I think that he's just 709 00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,280 Speaker 1: personality meshes well with New York. I mean, the dress 710 00:40:07,320 --> 00:40:09,000 Speaker 1: is interesting. I'm gonna have to keep an eye out, 711 00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:13,880 Speaker 1: you know, week preseason, maybe really week one at Carolina 712 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:17,520 Speaker 1: because he keeps himself in great shape, right, And we 713 00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:21,720 Speaker 1: we talked about Easton said I'd love to try some 714 00:40:21,760 --> 00:40:24,360 Speaker 1: certain things that Carl wears, but I would never be 715 00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,160 Speaker 1: able to pull it off. And east in some pretty 716 00:40:26,200 --> 00:40:28,759 Speaker 1: good shape himself. He played in the National Football more 717 00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:31,719 Speaker 1: than a decade, so he's saying like he wears some 718 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:34,840 Speaker 1: tight some type. Yeah. Well listen, if you're Carl Lawson, 719 00:40:35,239 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: you know guns for higher right Yeah. Yeah, And he's 720 00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:41,160 Speaker 1: probably a guy's got a small waste as well, you know, 721 00:40:41,280 --> 00:40:44,000 Speaker 1: like he's well proportioned, and you talk about the bench, 722 00:40:44,040 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: you got short arms, so the guys he's gonna be 723 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: bulging out much like Eric Coleman, right with the plights 724 00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:55,920 Speaker 1: and stuff like that, but he's got explosive ability off 725 00:40:56,000 --> 00:40:58,560 Speaker 1: the edge, and the Jets making the transition from the 726 00:40:58,600 --> 00:41:01,480 Speaker 1: three four to four three D needed somebody with speed 727 00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,720 Speaker 1: who could really change the dynamic out there. He changes 728 00:41:04,800 --> 00:41:08,680 Speaker 1: the dynamic for this team. He's already appealed to the 729 00:41:08,719 --> 00:41:11,480 Speaker 1: fan base. I put it on social media the other day. 730 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,120 Speaker 1: I had a chance to talk to him during minicamp. 731 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,680 Speaker 1: He said, please come to a game. It will help tremendously. 732 00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: You're helping us win, helping the d line. He wants 733 00:41:23,080 --> 00:41:27,720 Speaker 1: some silent snap counts at MetLife Stadium for the offensive 734 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: line to have to have two key to the ball 735 00:41:30,719 --> 00:41:32,839 Speaker 1: and he can get in a stance and go hit 736 00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:37,040 Speaker 1: the quarterback. This dude is ready to get after Cam Newton, 737 00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,640 Speaker 1: mac Jones or whoever it is in week two. Yeah, 738 00:41:39,680 --> 00:41:41,800 Speaker 1: I was gonna say week one on the road. So 739 00:41:41,880 --> 00:41:43,960 Speaker 1: week one you gotta keep an eye on the fashion, 740 00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:47,000 Speaker 1: and then week two you gotta show out to MetLife 741 00:41:47,040 --> 00:41:49,520 Speaker 1: when the Jets returned home and they open up MetLife 742 00:41:49,520 --> 00:41:52,520 Speaker 1: in over a year, because last year there were no 743 00:41:52,600 --> 00:41:56,000 Speaker 1: fans against the New England Patriots. Number fifty eight man 744 00:41:56,160 --> 00:42:00,160 Speaker 1: number fifty eight. Again, you know, you can't make any 745 00:42:00,200 --> 00:42:06,120 Speaker 1: kind of comparisons, but this guy has some of the 746 00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:11,239 Speaker 1: ability that just in pure speed and twitch and all 747 00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:13,560 Speaker 1: those other things you're looking for as far as a 748 00:42:13,640 --> 00:42:18,239 Speaker 1: guy off the edge like John Abraham type Abraham totally 749 00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: different player, a lot longer and stuff like that, but 750 00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:23,400 Speaker 1: as far as just the speed and how quickly you 751 00:42:23,440 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 1: can get there and get inside of offensive lignment. The 752 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,120 Speaker 1: other thing we saw this in mini camp that just 753 00:42:30,160 --> 00:42:33,160 Speaker 1: in a few rops, it's not just him lining up 754 00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,440 Speaker 1: on the outside and getting the step and then getting 755 00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:40,080 Speaker 1: to the quarterback. He gets guys off balance immediately and 756 00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:43,240 Speaker 1: then he moves inside. Yeah, and that was without pads. 757 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:45,080 Speaker 1: I mean, I can only imagine when he started hitting 758 00:42:45,080 --> 00:42:48,480 Speaker 1: some people. I mean, as Karl Lowson Sr. Said, he 759 00:42:48,560 --> 00:42:51,760 Speaker 1: was nine years old when he started, uh really knocking 760 00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:56,000 Speaker 1: people back, and he was seven or eight years old 761 00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:59,239 Speaker 1: when he started tackling people as a bystander on the sidelines. 762 00:42:59,320 --> 00:43:01,840 Speaker 1: The Jets have to get leads and games. Everybody, so 763 00:43:02,000 --> 00:43:03,960 Speaker 1: oh yeah, of course you gotta get leads and games. 764 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:07,799 Speaker 1: But that plays to their strength because defensively, it's all 765 00:43:07,840 --> 00:43:12,480 Speaker 1: about that line coming creating chaos, getting pressure. If the 766 00:43:12,560 --> 00:43:15,759 Speaker 1: Jets have leads in the second half, is going to 767 00:43:15,840 --> 00:43:17,880 Speaker 1: be all over the place. Oh yeah, oh yeah, and 768 00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:19,960 Speaker 1: especially you let him pin his ears back and go 769 00:43:20,040 --> 00:43:22,439 Speaker 1: that whole defensive front. The Jets are gonna get after 770 00:43:22,520 --> 00:43:24,480 Speaker 1: some people, or they're gonna try to at least, and 771 00:43:24,760 --> 00:43:26,640 Speaker 1: I think Carl Lawston is gonna be at the forefront 772 00:43:26,680 --> 00:43:28,759 Speaker 1: of that. And we'll see what happens in just a 773 00:43:28,760 --> 00:43:30,759 Speaker 1: couple of months here. And that's the perfect way to 774 00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:34,840 Speaker 1: end this episode of the podcast Profile series on the 775 00:43:34,880 --> 00:43:38,160 Speaker 1: Official Jets Podcast