1 00:00:00,520 --> 00:00:20,880 Speaker 1: M Hi, everybody, Welcome to Packers unscripted from Packers dot Com. 2 00:00:20,960 --> 00:00:24,880 Speaker 1: I am Mike Spofford, joined by my trusted colleague West Hodkowitz, 3 00:00:24,880 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: were coming to you here from our studios at lambeau 4 00:00:27,880 --> 00:00:31,840 Speaker 1: Field and West. The Packers have begun their preparations for 5 00:00:32,520 --> 00:00:36,440 Speaker 1: the big NFC showdown coming up Sunday night football in 6 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:39,360 Speaker 1: San Francisco or Santa Clara. I guess is where the 7 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:40,800 Speaker 1: game is going to be played, but against the San 8 00:00:40,840 --> 00:00:45,280 Speaker 1: Francisco forty Niners and Matt Lafleur. Packers were back on 9 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,879 Speaker 1: the practice field for a brief workout on Monday, as 10 00:00:47,920 --> 00:00:51,200 Speaker 1: everybody came back from the break over the bye. Matt 11 00:00:51,280 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: Lafleur spoke to reporters, spoke to the media after practice, 12 00:00:55,760 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 1: and he wasn't going to get into a lot of 13 00:00:58,640 --> 00:01:02,279 Speaker 1: specifics as to what did the self scout reveal, Like, 14 00:01:02,320 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: what did you guys find out? How are you going 15 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,160 Speaker 1: to go about fixing things? Of course, he's not going 16 00:01:06,200 --> 00:01:09,080 Speaker 1: to share all the nitty gritty details, but he did 17 00:01:09,080 --> 00:01:12,000 Speaker 1: talk a little bit about each of the three phases 18 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:14,320 Speaker 1: of the game for the Packers. I don't think there's 19 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,800 Speaker 1: any major revelations here, but the Packers. The bottom line 20 00:01:17,880 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 1: is the Packers know what they have to work on 21 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:23,199 Speaker 1: heading into this home stretch of the final six regular 22 00:01:23,240 --> 00:01:25,040 Speaker 1: season games. They do, and I mean the nice thing 23 00:01:25,120 --> 00:01:26,920 Speaker 1: for them is they finally have some time to sit 24 00:01:26,959 --> 00:01:29,039 Speaker 1: back and rest. A lot was made of the fact 25 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: that they aren't that banged up going into the buy 26 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,360 Speaker 1: and that's true from a perspective of guys not actually 27 00:01:34,920 --> 00:01:38,400 Speaker 1: you know, missing practice time, but they were still so 28 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:41,039 Speaker 1: to get some bodies a little bit healthier. Get that, 29 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,200 Speaker 1: you know, week week and a half of rest and 30 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: recuperation going into San Francisco game. This is where I 31 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:49,000 Speaker 1: look for Green Bay to put their best foot forward 32 00:01:49,040 --> 00:01:52,040 Speaker 1: on Sunday. And you know, even more so, you know, 33 00:01:52,440 --> 00:01:54,040 Speaker 1: talking to Kenny Clark and some of these guys in 34 00:01:54,040 --> 00:01:55,600 Speaker 1: the locker room these last two weeks and when we've 35 00:01:55,600 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 1: had availability, they understand where they fit in the grand 36 00:01:59,640 --> 00:02:01,960 Speaker 1: scheme of things. The defense No's Trumon Williams talked about 37 00:02:01,960 --> 00:02:03,800 Speaker 1: it again on money. They mean, they have work to do. 38 00:02:04,240 --> 00:02:07,000 Speaker 1: They are by far, you know, not a finished product 39 00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:08,520 Speaker 1: yet at this point in the season. They feel like 40 00:02:08,520 --> 00:02:11,280 Speaker 1: their best ball is still ahead of them. Offensively, you've 41 00:02:11,280 --> 00:02:13,919 Speaker 1: seen intervals of dominance, and you've seen intervals of lulls. 42 00:02:14,360 --> 00:02:16,720 Speaker 1: They're trying to smooth that out, and special teams certainly 43 00:02:17,240 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: has made some changes even going into the by. But 44 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:23,520 Speaker 1: where I stand on this right now is that you know, 45 00:02:23,600 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: all these years, Mike, you go back and these are 46 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:28,399 Speaker 1: the prime years of Mike McCarthy's tenure too. The way 47 00:02:28,400 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: the Packers have come out of the by and a 48 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 1: lot of seasons has really been an indication of where 49 00:02:33,080 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: this team is going to go in the long run. 50 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:37,400 Speaker 1: I think there's a stat somewhere around maybe seven and 51 00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:39,680 Speaker 1: three over the last ten years coming out of the 52 00:02:39,680 --> 00:02:42,480 Speaker 1: bye week. They need to make those adjustments. There's gonna 53 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:44,360 Speaker 1: be some mounth scouted looks, I'm sure of it on 54 00:02:44,400 --> 00:02:47,960 Speaker 1: Sunday against San Francisco, and they need to find, you know, 55 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:50,800 Speaker 1: some of those galvanizing moments that really make a good 56 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,880 Speaker 1: team championship caliber. Yeah. Well, when you look at things 57 00:02:53,919 --> 00:02:55,840 Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, I think the 58 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:59,760 Speaker 1: thing that that continues to stick in the craw of 59 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:02,000 Speaker 1: Matt la Fleur. I guess, if if I'm allowed to 60 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:06,280 Speaker 1: use that phrase, is is the penalties. The I saw 61 00:03:06,320 --> 00:03:09,359 Speaker 1: a stat this morning actually unfortunately didn't have it for 62 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,079 Speaker 1: the story that I posted on the website last night, 63 00:03:12,480 --> 00:03:16,280 Speaker 1: But I believe the Packers have a total of twenty 64 00:03:16,400 --> 00:03:20,880 Speaker 1: five either false start or delay of game penalties through 65 00:03:20,880 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 1: the first ten games of the season two and and 66 00:03:23,960 --> 00:03:26,519 Speaker 1: now those are only five yard penalties, but those five 67 00:03:26,600 --> 00:03:29,560 Speaker 1: yard penalties that changes second and three to second and 68 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 1: eight and and you know, and gets you in those 69 00:03:31,560 --> 00:03:35,360 Speaker 1: behind the chains types of situations. And to be averaging 70 00:03:35,400 --> 00:03:38,000 Speaker 1: two and a half false start or delay of game 71 00:03:38,000 --> 00:03:40,640 Speaker 1: penalties on offense through the first ten games of the season, 72 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:45,000 Speaker 1: you can see the the opportunity there to become much 73 00:03:45,040 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 1: more efficient offensively, to put yourself in better third down 74 00:03:48,480 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: situations if you can just you know, you're not going 75 00:03:52,000 --> 00:03:54,280 Speaker 1: to eliminate them completely. They're part of the game, but 76 00:03:54,320 --> 00:03:56,480 Speaker 1: if you can reduce those because two and a half 77 00:03:56,480 --> 00:03:59,160 Speaker 1: per game through ten weeks, that's a lot. Yeah, the 78 00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:01,360 Speaker 1: in the delay games, that's always a little bit of 79 00:04:01,400 --> 00:04:03,520 Speaker 1: an altered statute because there's two instances in the last 80 00:04:03,520 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 1: couple of games when the Packers have actually taken them. 81 00:04:05,600 --> 00:04:07,839 Speaker 1: To give J K. Scott a little extra room, true enough, 82 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:10,800 Speaker 1: but that being said, you know the specific instances that 83 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:12,880 Speaker 1: Aaron Rodgers talks about that he needs to be better 84 00:04:12,960 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: in in Matt Laflora is discussed and trying to get 85 00:04:15,080 --> 00:04:18,159 Speaker 1: those calls, and they had some communication helmet, you know, issues, 86 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:20,240 Speaker 1: and that's been prevalent, I think throughout the league trying 87 00:04:20,240 --> 00:04:22,560 Speaker 1: to deal with some of those things at times. But 88 00:04:22,760 --> 00:04:24,640 Speaker 1: the one I go back to is the false starts, 89 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 1: because that's the one I felt like going back to 90 00:04:27,600 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: lambeau Field, David smooth some of those things out. It's 91 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: a tough environment to be in Los Angeles and I 92 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:35,200 Speaker 1: know it was a very pro heavy Packers crowd, but 93 00:04:35,240 --> 00:04:37,760 Speaker 1: there were still a lot of Chargers fans to making 94 00:04:37,800 --> 00:04:40,960 Speaker 1: their voice heard and that's difficult to work through those changes, 95 00:04:41,360 --> 00:04:42,880 Speaker 1: but you've got to be able to shore that up 96 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,599 Speaker 1: at home. It's unacceptable to have those at home. You 97 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:48,039 Speaker 1: need to be able to find answers there and that 98 00:04:48,160 --> 00:04:50,080 Speaker 1: was a big point of emphasis, and I'm sure as 99 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,799 Speaker 1: they went through some of the self scouting and trying 100 00:04:52,800 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 1: to find ways to you know, maximize their offensive opportunities, 101 00:04:56,440 --> 00:04:58,400 Speaker 1: that's something they go back to. There was a play 102 00:04:58,440 --> 00:05:01,080 Speaker 1: against Carolina and I don't know exact measurables of it, 103 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: but I believe it was something along the lines where 104 00:05:02,960 --> 00:05:04,479 Speaker 1: they had, like I want to say, a nine yard 105 00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,200 Speaker 1: run by Aaron Jones and there was a false start. 106 00:05:07,400 --> 00:05:09,400 Speaker 1: That takes it from being second and one back to 107 00:05:09,480 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 1: second and second and six, third and one back to 108 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,159 Speaker 1: third and six. The percentage change every yard you go 109 00:05:15,240 --> 00:05:19,400 Speaker 1: back is is huge in this league. In credit to 110 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,400 Speaker 1: Green Bay, one of the reasons they are eight and 111 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:23,159 Speaker 1: two is they've worked through some of those things. You 112 00:05:23,200 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 1: had the Davante Adams thirty four yard catch on second 113 00:05:26,680 --> 00:05:29,600 Speaker 1: and you know, twenty six or whatever it was. You know, 114 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:31,640 Speaker 1: you can find ways with your playmakers to do that, 115 00:05:31,640 --> 00:05:33,600 Speaker 1: but you can't live that way and they need to 116 00:05:33,640 --> 00:05:36,240 Speaker 1: find those answers. Yeah. I mean, right now, offensively, the 117 00:05:36,279 --> 00:05:39,680 Speaker 1: Packers are converting. I believe they're at thirty seven point 118 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:43,520 Speaker 1: two on third down. It's in the bottom half of 119 00:05:43,560 --> 00:05:46,760 Speaker 1: the league. It's it's below the midway point. That's not 120 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:50,120 Speaker 1: a horrible number. Thirty is not horrible, but you'd like 121 00:05:50,200 --> 00:05:53,120 Speaker 1: to be you know, once you're in the forties on 122 00:05:53,279 --> 00:05:55,960 Speaker 1: your third down conversions, you're you're in a pretty good spot. 123 00:05:56,040 --> 00:05:59,320 Speaker 1: I mean what Matt Lafleur found out as he looked 124 00:05:59,400 --> 00:06:02,840 Speaker 1: at all the numbers, and this is sort of self fulfilling. 125 00:06:02,880 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's kind of obvious that, you know, 126 00:06:05,760 --> 00:06:08,760 Speaker 1: third down in seven or less versus third down and 127 00:06:08,839 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: eight or more. But he found a really large discrepancy there. 128 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:15,680 Speaker 1: I think, I think maybe a larger discrepancy than than 129 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: you would normally find because when it's been when it's 130 00:06:19,200 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: I believe the number is when it's been third and 131 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: seven or less or third and six or less one 132 00:06:23,640 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: or the other. The Packers are actually above fifty. That's 133 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: pretty darn good. But the problem and the reason they're 134 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: at thirty seven percent overall in their third downs is 135 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,039 Speaker 1: because they've had way too many of the third and 136 00:06:37,080 --> 00:06:40,160 Speaker 1: fifteens and the third and twelves, and the really really 137 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,720 Speaker 1: tough spots which have been a result of either those 138 00:06:42,720 --> 00:06:46,120 Speaker 1: false start penalties or holding penalty or a sack on 139 00:06:46,200 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 1: first or second down that that really puts you behind 140 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,120 Speaker 1: the chains. Those are the things that you know it. 141 00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:54,640 Speaker 1: Matt Lafleur. Yes, there are going to be some unscouted looks. 142 00:06:54,640 --> 00:06:57,680 Speaker 1: They're gonna do some new things I think against San Francisco, 143 00:06:57,760 --> 00:07:00,479 Speaker 1: and as we move forward here into December that maybe 144 00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,840 Speaker 1: we haven't seen yet. But Matt Lafleur's goal offensively is 145 00:07:03,880 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: just to improve the efficiency, and it's not about drawing 146 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,080 Speaker 1: up a whole bunch of new XS and O stuff. 147 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 1: It's like, what do you do to sharpen things up 148 00:07:11,480 --> 00:07:14,040 Speaker 1: and become more efficient down the stretch. And that's what 149 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:16,760 Speaker 1: they're focused on. Yeah, and it's interesting too because when 150 00:07:16,800 --> 00:07:19,080 Speaker 1: you go back into those third and eight pluses or 151 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:21,560 Speaker 1: third and twelves, that's where you're seeing the Packers having 152 00:07:21,600 --> 00:07:23,040 Speaker 1: to empty it out a little bit more. In credit 153 00:07:23,040 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: to Aaron Rodgers, they have found ways to be successful 154 00:07:25,440 --> 00:07:28,520 Speaker 1: in those intervals, but there's so much more predictability to that. 155 00:07:29,360 --> 00:07:31,240 Speaker 1: When you have those type of looks, you know more 156 00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: what you're getting. When this offense is at its best, 157 00:07:33,160 --> 00:07:35,480 Speaker 1: and we've seen it, especially on some of these first 158 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:38,320 Speaker 1: series of games this season, it's when they can be multiple, 159 00:07:38,360 --> 00:07:40,400 Speaker 1: when they can go with bunch formations, when they're able 160 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:43,320 Speaker 1: to shift their personnel on any given play on any 161 00:07:43,360 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: given you know possession, that's where they're going to make 162 00:07:47,840 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: their money and that's where this offense is. Ultimately, if 163 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,720 Speaker 1: they get on a deep run here into the playoffs, 164 00:07:53,080 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: that's where they have to be successful. As as great 165 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:58,360 Speaker 1: as it is to put the ball in Aaron Rodgers hands, 166 00:07:58,360 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: and he's one of the best in the league when 167 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:03,080 Speaker 1: it ms to being able to dictate those situations. You 168 00:08:03,120 --> 00:08:05,600 Speaker 1: see the Aaron Jones is you have the Davonte Adams. 169 00:08:05,840 --> 00:08:08,320 Speaker 1: You need to win those early down situations to make 170 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:11,120 Speaker 1: them their most dangerous, and that's when this offense is 171 00:08:11,120 --> 00:08:13,360 Speaker 1: at its peak. Yeah. Well, on the defensive side of 172 00:08:13,400 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 1: the ball, We've been talking about it for several weeks 173 00:08:16,280 --> 00:08:19,200 Speaker 1: so of the Packers, so as defensive coordinator Mike Petton, 174 00:08:19,600 --> 00:08:24,520 Speaker 1: it really has been the explosive plays allowed that that 175 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,440 Speaker 1: that's really hurt this defense. I'm not an XS and 176 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,920 Speaker 1: OS expert. I don't know exactly how you go about 177 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:34,880 Speaker 1: fixing this thing. Matt Lafleur has made comments about communication 178 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:38,520 Speaker 1: a little bit in terms of not only getting the 179 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:42,160 Speaker 1: right defensive personnel in the field, but then all the 180 00:08:42,160 --> 00:08:45,120 Speaker 1: pre snap stuff, making sure everybody has the call, maybe 181 00:08:45,120 --> 00:08:48,160 Speaker 1: not trying to change the call at the last minute 182 00:08:48,240 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 1: quite so often, which is how certain guys can get 183 00:08:50,640 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 1: out of position. I also think there's maybe a little 184 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,560 Speaker 1: bit of a balance that Mike Petton is trying to 185 00:08:56,640 --> 00:09:00,320 Speaker 1: find in terms of the the aggressiveness to go for 186 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:02,839 Speaker 1: the ball because the turnovers are such a big part 187 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,000 Speaker 1: of the game and have been such a big part 188 00:09:05,000 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: of what this defense has done, but not at the 189 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,720 Speaker 1: expense of, you know, risking giving up those twenty and 190 00:09:10,760 --> 00:09:14,640 Speaker 1: twenty five yard pass plays that have really hurt this defense. 191 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:17,560 Speaker 1: So I'm just curious your thoughts on kind of where 192 00:09:17,600 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 1: things stand with this defense now and and what needs 193 00:09:21,200 --> 00:09:24,560 Speaker 1: to be done to to cut down on some of 194 00:09:24,559 --> 00:09:27,400 Speaker 1: those explosive games. Yeah, it's it's something that I think 195 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:29,719 Speaker 1: is probably the biggest thing that had to be a 196 00:09:29,800 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 1: point of emphasis in the scouts scout self scouting process. 197 00:09:33,640 --> 00:09:36,800 Speaker 1: Easy for me to say, yeah, that's the one to 198 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 1: where there's so many different things that stitched together that 199 00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:44,320 Speaker 1: not only can result in being able to play cohesive, 200 00:09:44,760 --> 00:09:49,400 Speaker 1: you know, lockdown defense or having those breakdowns that it's 201 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: always difficult to pinpoint one specific thing because I get 202 00:09:52,840 --> 00:09:54,800 Speaker 1: it from Mike Patton's perspective. You've got a lot of 203 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: ball hawking players in the secondary. They have a really 204 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:00,720 Speaker 1: productive pass rushing combo upfront in of the league's best 205 00:10:00,760 --> 00:10:03,360 Speaker 1: young nose tackles, and Kenny Clark in the middle. So 206 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:08,559 Speaker 1: all intensive purposes, this should be a dynamic, an impactful 207 00:10:08,640 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 1: defensive unit, but there's been too many of those situations 208 00:10:11,920 --> 00:10:14,720 Speaker 1: where guys come free for not even just the seventy 209 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:17,160 Speaker 1: five yard touchdown type of I'm talking about the thirty 210 00:10:17,200 --> 00:10:19,400 Speaker 1: forty yard passes in the middle of the field, fifty 211 00:10:19,480 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: yards here and there. That is the chunk plays that 212 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,240 Speaker 1: it's difficult to come back from. Fortunately, Green Bay might 213 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:27,640 Speaker 1: have one of the top run you know, red zone 214 00:10:27,640 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: defenses in the league right now that they've been able 215 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: to survive that. But if offenses start to chip away 216 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,199 Speaker 1: at you there and you don't find answers, that's when 217 00:10:36,240 --> 00:10:39,679 Speaker 1: you start to see the damn breaks to live. So 218 00:10:40,040 --> 00:10:42,120 Speaker 1: that's where it's it's tough to put a finger on it. 219 00:10:42,160 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: And this is the most unique thing I was. I 220 00:10:44,120 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: was thinking about this last week and I looked it 221 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:49,719 Speaker 1: up just now. Packers are right around that ranked uh 222 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:53,840 Speaker 1: spot right now for scoring defense you know, points point all, 223 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: which at the end of the day, you can make 224 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:58,880 Speaker 1: an argument that's the most important one of all, but 225 00:10:58,920 --> 00:11:01,400 Speaker 1: a lot of times it's not always the same, but 226 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:04,320 Speaker 1: it's sometimes equate storre you rank in total yards. In 227 00:11:04,360 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: this case, it does it. The Packers are twenty eight 228 00:11:06,400 --> 00:11:09,760 Speaker 1: right now in totally yards per game. The defenses above 229 00:11:09,880 --> 00:11:12,920 Speaker 1: them in scoring points per game. New England at one, 230 00:11:13,120 --> 00:11:17,439 Speaker 1: San Francisco had two, Buffalo is three. They're leading both categories. 231 00:11:17,720 --> 00:11:23,120 Speaker 1: Then it's eight fifteen, fourteen, eighteen, four, seven, five, ten, six, twelve. 232 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: That's where teams rank in total yards, and then you 233 00:11:25,800 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: have Green Bay with twenty eight. It's such a strange anomaly, 234 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,440 Speaker 1: and that's why I brought it up on the show before. 235 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 1: I get kind of punchy when people talk about this 236 00:11:33,360 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 1: being like the twelve or you know, eleven defense. I 237 00:11:36,200 --> 00:11:38,880 Speaker 1: still don't see it like that, because while there were breakdowns, 238 00:11:38,920 --> 00:11:41,400 Speaker 1: teams were also scoring quite a bit too, a lot 239 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:44,280 Speaker 1: of shootouts the Packers had to win that season. This 240 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:47,040 Speaker 1: hasn't been that case. So it's it's in this in between. 241 00:11:47,120 --> 00:11:49,760 Speaker 1: But unless you get it corrected the last six weeks 242 00:11:49,760 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 1: of the season, your record, your stats are what you 243 00:11:52,160 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: say you are in some regarden. That's why the Packers 244 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: have to get it cleaned up. Yeah, I mean there 245 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:58,920 Speaker 1: have been certainly been offenses that have put up the 246 00:11:59,320 --> 00:12:02,600 Speaker 1: four US yards. You know, the defense that we saw 247 00:12:02,679 --> 00:12:06,160 Speaker 1: from the Packers in September, Now, granted that was a 248 00:12:06,160 --> 00:12:09,520 Speaker 1: Bears offense that's been struggling all year, a Broncos offense 249 00:12:09,559 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 1: that's been struggling all year. So some of that was 250 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 1: was the result of the opponents, but you can also 251 00:12:15,679 --> 00:12:17,600 Speaker 1: just you know, you go by the eye test, the 252 00:12:17,640 --> 00:12:22,199 Speaker 1: defense doesn't look the same as it did earlier, and uh, um, 253 00:12:22,240 --> 00:12:25,120 Speaker 1: you know, those big plays they kind of started in 254 00:12:25,160 --> 00:12:28,520 Speaker 1: Week two against Minnesota. Then they came back in Week 255 00:12:28,640 --> 00:12:31,720 Speaker 1: five against Dallas when Dallas was way behind, and you know, 256 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:33,800 Speaker 1: they started taking these big chunks of the field, and 257 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,880 Speaker 1: then it's kind of been a problem since then. It's it's, uh, 258 00:12:36,920 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: it's not something that they've been able to curb. Now, 259 00:12:39,400 --> 00:12:42,680 Speaker 1: looking at the stats against Carolina, they only allowed I 260 00:12:42,679 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: believe it was only three plays in that game of 261 00:12:45,320 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: twenty plus yards, but there were a whole bunch of 262 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,920 Speaker 1: past completions that were in that fifteen to nineteen yard 263 00:12:51,000 --> 00:12:54,360 Speaker 1: range that Carolina still racked up four hundred yards by 264 00:12:54,400 --> 00:12:57,559 Speaker 1: the end of the game. Yes, the defense obviously made 265 00:12:57,600 --> 00:12:59,560 Speaker 1: the big stand at the end, and at the end 266 00:12:59,600 --> 00:13:02,480 Speaker 1: of the day, Carolina only had what sixteen points on 267 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,560 Speaker 1: the board, So you take that anytime you can. But 268 00:13:05,600 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 1: the Packers know they're they're in this they're in this 269 00:13:08,720 --> 00:13:10,720 Speaker 1: uh you call it kind of you know, kind of 270 00:13:10,760 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: the middle ground. It's kind of a precarious place to 271 00:13:13,160 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: be because of because of the yards that you've surrendered, 272 00:13:16,320 --> 00:13:20,199 Speaker 1: because you know, you get up against teams that are 273 00:13:20,240 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: more efficient in the red zone and uh and are 274 00:13:22,800 --> 00:13:25,120 Speaker 1: going to punch things in more often for touchdowns, and 275 00:13:25,120 --> 00:13:27,600 Speaker 1: then suddenly that points allowed number starts to climb. This 276 00:13:27,640 --> 00:13:29,160 Speaker 1: is where we're gonna learn about a lot about this 277 00:13:29,240 --> 00:13:31,200 Speaker 1: defense here in the last couple of weeks. Because yeah, 278 00:13:31,240 --> 00:13:33,839 Speaker 1: you mentioned Dallas. Dallas is leading the league right now 279 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:36,360 Speaker 1: in total yards of offense. Kansas City is three. I 280 00:13:36,400 --> 00:13:38,120 Speaker 1: don't want to hear about Matt Moore. They still have 281 00:13:38,160 --> 00:13:41,560 Speaker 1: explosive playmakers there that can make life difficult. You know. 282 00:13:41,640 --> 00:13:45,400 Speaker 1: Detroit is eight, Minnesota's nine. Oakland, for as much has 283 00:13:45,480 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 1: been made about their situation, their eleventh right now un 284 00:13:47,840 --> 00:13:51,800 Speaker 1: totial offense. So they've played good offenses, productive offenses. This 285 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,079 Speaker 1: week is going to be a huge test. San Francisco 286 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,000 Speaker 1: is a dynamic and as versatile and multiple as teams get. 287 00:13:57,400 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 1: But after that, you got the New York Giants, you 288 00:14:00,040 --> 00:14:03,160 Speaker 1: have Washington, you have Chicago. You need to lock down 289 00:14:03,160 --> 00:14:05,840 Speaker 1: in those games. The thing I liked about that Carolina 290 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:08,040 Speaker 1: game was that, Okay, Carolina puts up four inner total 291 00:14:08,120 --> 00:14:10,720 Speaker 1: yards of offense. The Packers won that game, though, because 292 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,840 Speaker 1: of their defense. Sometimes the yards aren't what matter most, 293 00:14:13,880 --> 00:14:16,080 Speaker 1: and it sometimes comes down to the points. But when 294 00:14:16,120 --> 00:14:18,160 Speaker 1: you look at those games beyond this week, I don't 295 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:19,960 Speaker 1: care what the total yards are. I don't care what 296 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:21,520 Speaker 1: the points are. If the Packers win the game, they 297 00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,040 Speaker 1: accomplished the goal. But going up against New York in 298 00:14:24,080 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: Washington Chicago, you expect them to be able to get 299 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 1: on a run there in December because of where those 300 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: offenses have ranked this season and some of the issues 301 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:33,560 Speaker 1: that they've worked through. Yeah, all right, Well, before I 302 00:14:33,560 --> 00:14:36,520 Speaker 1: forget here west because I forgot yesterday after the long 303 00:14:36,560 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: break my brain. But select Cousin Subs locations are now 304 00:14:41,640 --> 00:14:44,760 Speaker 1: offering delivery. 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But 314 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:18,600 Speaker 1: we started to see in that Carolina game before the bye, 315 00:15:18,720 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: it almost felt like the you know, I hate to 316 00:15:21,440 --> 00:15:24,640 Speaker 1: say old because Kenny Clark is not that old, but 317 00:15:25,000 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: but yeah, but it's sort of like the old Kenny 318 00:15:27,240 --> 00:15:29,920 Speaker 1: Clark started to start to come back. And I've been wondering, 319 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 1: I'll be honest with you, West, I've been wondering much 320 00:15:32,080 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 1: of the season. Kenny Clark is not a guy who's 321 00:15:34,400 --> 00:15:36,520 Speaker 1: going to talk about it. But he was on the 322 00:15:36,520 --> 00:15:39,000 Speaker 1: injury report earlier this year with a calf injury. We 323 00:15:39,040 --> 00:15:40,720 Speaker 1: saw in the one game he got kicked in the 324 00:15:40,760 --> 00:15:44,480 Speaker 1: shin um. That can't feel too good. I think he's 325 00:15:44,520 --> 00:15:48,120 Speaker 1: been playing through some things and at the same time 326 00:15:48,240 --> 00:15:53,240 Speaker 1: having to deal with how offenses are paying a lot 327 00:15:53,280 --> 00:15:55,600 Speaker 1: more attention to him in terms of in terms of 328 00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: their scheme and how they want to handle him in 329 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 1: the middle of the defensive line. But his play really 330 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:03,880 Speaker 1: stood out against Carolina, and I'm wondering, Okay, maybe is 331 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,200 Speaker 1: is Kenny Clark season about to take off here? Yeah? 332 00:16:07,200 --> 00:16:09,000 Speaker 1: And it was interesting, you know, hearing some of the 333 00:16:09,040 --> 00:16:11,600 Speaker 1: comments from Jerry Montgomery last week because in some ways 334 00:16:11,680 --> 00:16:14,720 Speaker 1: I think there's talking to Tyler Lancaster about this Monday, 335 00:16:14,720 --> 00:16:17,920 Speaker 1: I think there's there's narrative that that Kenny Clark in 336 00:16:17,960 --> 00:16:20,480 Speaker 1: some ways has dropped off. I don't see that. I 337 00:16:20,520 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 1: think one. As Montgomery pointed out, he wouldn't go into 338 00:16:23,000 --> 00:16:25,640 Speaker 1: the exact specifics, but he said, I mean he's getting 339 00:16:25,680 --> 00:16:27,560 Speaker 1: double teamed a lot more in the running game, which 340 00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: is what you expect. He's the premier nose tackle. That's 341 00:16:29,920 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 1: what's going to happen. So there hasn't been as many 342 00:16:32,080 --> 00:16:35,360 Speaker 1: of those one on one situations. The Packers again are 343 00:16:35,360 --> 00:16:38,200 Speaker 1: playing him a lot of the defensive snaps at this 344 00:16:38,240 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 1: point in the season. But that game against Carolina, Carolina 345 00:16:41,240 --> 00:16:43,040 Speaker 1: tried to block him one on one a lot more 346 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 1: than a lot of other teams did. And I would 347 00:16:45,200 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: imagine going to this game against San Francisco, you're going 348 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: to see that second guy having more attention on it 349 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:53,360 Speaker 1: because whether it was you know, their center or trade Turner, 350 00:16:53,480 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 1: they just weren't able to match up with him, and 351 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:57,560 Speaker 1: he was able to be disruptive. He came a little 352 00:16:57,560 --> 00:16:59,400 Speaker 1: bit short of being able to get an actual sack 353 00:16:59,440 --> 00:17:01,760 Speaker 1: on the statue sheet, but Pro Football Focus had him 354 00:17:01,760 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: down for ten pressures, which under their metric and their measurements, 355 00:17:06,000 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: that's the most he's ever had in his career to 356 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: this point. And that's a lot for an interior past 357 00:17:10,720 --> 00:17:13,080 Speaker 1: a guy who never who really never lines up on 358 00:17:13,119 --> 00:17:15,320 Speaker 1: the edge at all. He's always inside. And I made 359 00:17:15,359 --> 00:17:16,879 Speaker 1: this argument at my story to the other thing you 360 00:17:16,920 --> 00:17:20,000 Speaker 1: gotta understand in terms of just the pass rush, he 361 00:17:20,080 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 1: has two outside linebackers now that are really shifting the 362 00:17:23,359 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 1: hourglass from last season. There are not as many opportunities 363 00:17:27,000 --> 00:17:29,720 Speaker 1: for a three fifteen pound defensive tackle to be the 364 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:32,640 Speaker 1: first guy to the quarterback. Those guys are in that 365 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: O zone. They are making things difficult and it's getting 366 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 1: the ball all quick with my with the big thing 367 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:41,879 Speaker 1: I think for for Clark here down the stretch is 368 00:17:41,920 --> 00:17:44,840 Speaker 1: going to be if they can one find ways to 369 00:17:44,880 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: give him some breathers here and there, because that's going 370 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,399 Speaker 1: to be important if they want to play an eighteen 371 00:17:48,480 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: or nineteen games season. And also, you know, figuring out 372 00:17:52,040 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: a good balance for when you want to have him 373 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:55,760 Speaker 1: out there early on downs or when you want to 374 00:17:55,760 --> 00:17:58,080 Speaker 1: have him on third downs. I think the last few 375 00:17:58,119 --> 00:17:59,879 Speaker 1: games you started to see them find a little bit 376 00:17:59,880 --> 00:18:03,720 Speaker 1: more of, you know, a balance with all that. Maybe 377 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:05,840 Speaker 1: that's because Montrevious Adams is back and he seems to 378 00:18:05,840 --> 00:18:08,240 Speaker 1: have put the shoulder behind him. Kingsley Kickley is pay 379 00:18:08,440 --> 00:18:12,760 Speaker 1: playing more the more Kenny Clark is twenty four years old. 380 00:18:13,160 --> 00:18:14,399 Speaker 1: You want to be able to get him out there 381 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: as much as possible. But I think there is sometimes 382 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: that you know, you want to strike something there where 383 00:18:19,520 --> 00:18:22,600 Speaker 1: you're getting the maximum out of that player every single down. 384 00:18:22,640 --> 00:18:24,879 Speaker 1: And I think that's one area that maybe at this 385 00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,520 Speaker 1: point in the season, as you get into the month 386 00:18:26,560 --> 00:18:29,000 Speaker 1: of November and December late in the year, where you're 387 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,600 Speaker 1: starting to maybe figure out what that that right number 388 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: is going to be. Yeah, and we'll see as we 389 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,959 Speaker 1: go into this San Francisco game here if they do 390 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:41,360 Speaker 1: resume the double teaming in the middle on Clark, especially 391 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:43,159 Speaker 1: with how they're going to want to run the ball. 392 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: The bottom line is whether it's Montrevious Adams, Kingsley, Kiki, 393 00:18:47,480 --> 00:18:50,520 Speaker 1: Dean Lowry, Tyler Lancaster, those guys are one on one 394 00:18:51,119 --> 00:18:53,440 Speaker 1: against the run, they've got to be able to They've 395 00:18:53,440 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 1: got to be able to get off the block and 396 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:58,320 Speaker 1: stay in their gap, or you know, keep Blake Martinez 397 00:18:58,359 --> 00:19:00,439 Speaker 1: and b J Goodson or in Burke's who verse at 398 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:02,960 Speaker 1: the second level, keep those guys clean to be able 399 00:19:03,000 --> 00:19:04,959 Speaker 1: to make the play. Because yeah, if I mean, if 400 00:19:04,960 --> 00:19:08,520 Speaker 1: you're getting double teamed, then you're helping out a teammate 401 00:19:08,640 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: and then that teammate has to take advantage of that situation. 402 00:19:11,359 --> 00:19:13,800 Speaker 1: And to his credit, to Clark's credit, at this point 403 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:15,960 Speaker 1: in the year, now ten pressures are gonna up his 404 00:19:16,040 --> 00:19:18,440 Speaker 1: total pressures for the season, so he's at forty one. 405 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:20,119 Speaker 1: I mean that puts him in the same conversation with 406 00:19:20,240 --> 00:19:23,400 Speaker 1: Aaron Donald, Fletcher Cox. I mean, those are the high end, 407 00:19:23,560 --> 00:19:27,040 Speaker 1: elite defensive tackles in this league. And you know, there's 408 00:19:27,080 --> 00:19:29,000 Speaker 1: been kind of this narrative that maybe he's had something 409 00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:30,680 Speaker 1: to do with the run defense and the issues you've 410 00:19:30,680 --> 00:19:33,359 Speaker 1: had there. But man, I mean, one that's an entire unit, 411 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,359 Speaker 1: that's not just one specific player. But to look at 412 00:19:36,400 --> 00:19:39,000 Speaker 1: what he did when Christian McCaffrey was running in his 413 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:41,640 Speaker 1: area and his gaps in that game against Carolina. It's 414 00:19:41,640 --> 00:19:44,000 Speaker 1: tough to point out stats other than the screenplay that 415 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 1: he broke up when he came off his block and 416 00:19:46,280 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 1: ended up chasing him down. It was difficult. It's been 417 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,040 Speaker 1: tough sledding still for them to get through that area, 418 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: and a lot of times when it has been it's 419 00:19:54,040 --> 00:19:56,040 Speaker 1: been the double team. So it's gonna be really intriguing 420 00:19:56,080 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: to watch and see where the rest of his season goes. 421 00:19:57,720 --> 00:19:59,560 Speaker 1: But at twenty four years old and the snaps that 422 00:19:59,600 --> 00:20:01,960 Speaker 1: he's had, the way he's played, I just think there's 423 00:20:01,960 --> 00:20:04,679 Speaker 1: a certain amount of respect you gotta put on Kenny 424 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:06,639 Speaker 1: Clark's name right now despite some of the issues that 425 00:20:06,720 --> 00:20:09,040 Speaker 1: defense has had. Yeah, I would, I would certainly agree 426 00:20:09,080 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: with you. One other item to clean up, I guess 427 00:20:12,640 --> 00:20:15,600 Speaker 1: we could say from or a leftover item from the 428 00:20:15,640 --> 00:20:20,639 Speaker 1: bye week, and that is that the nominees. League wide, 429 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,600 Speaker 1: every team in the league nominates a player for the 430 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:27,400 Speaker 1: annual Sportsmanship Award, and for the second year in a row, 431 00:20:27,680 --> 00:20:31,560 Speaker 1: here in green Bay, that nomination has gone to Tremont 432 00:20:31,640 --> 00:20:35,440 Speaker 1: Williams um interesting in a lot of ways that he 433 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,479 Speaker 1: takes a three year, three year break from playing in 434 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 1: Green Bay and then comes back and now these last 435 00:20:41,600 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: two years he's been the Sportsmanship Award nominee, something that 436 00:20:46,560 --> 00:20:49,199 Speaker 1: that he certainly appreciates. I know, he's one of your 437 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:51,159 Speaker 1: favorite players to talk to me certainly one of my 438 00:20:51,240 --> 00:20:55,119 Speaker 1: favorite players over the years to talk to. And he 439 00:20:55,160 --> 00:20:59,760 Speaker 1: can't say enough about just how well he represents himself 440 00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:03,000 Speaker 1: and his team and his defense and his teammates anytime 441 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,119 Speaker 1: that he is on the field. And that's what this 442 00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,199 Speaker 1: award is all about. Yeah, it's the media award will 443 00:21:08,240 --> 00:21:10,040 Speaker 1: come later in the season, and certainly he's always in 444 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:11,720 Speaker 1: the running for that as well. But I mean, in 445 00:21:11,760 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 1: my time on the beat, he's one of the guys 446 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:16,120 Speaker 1: that I think I've learned the most about the game 447 00:21:16,119 --> 00:21:18,480 Speaker 1: of football. Listen to him talk and when you know, 448 00:21:18,480 --> 00:21:21,040 Speaker 1: he's as thoughtful as they get in terms of hearing 449 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,880 Speaker 1: a question and giving appropriate response and not just trying 450 00:21:23,920 --> 00:21:26,560 Speaker 1: to find some quick SoundBite to just move on with 451 00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:29,640 Speaker 1: his day. He takes the time and it's also important 452 00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:31,600 Speaker 1: that that's something that has been reflected in the locker 453 00:21:31,680 --> 00:21:34,160 Speaker 1: room with his players, you know, the guys around him. 454 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: He even mentioned this was unrelated to the Sportsmanship nominee, 455 00:21:37,440 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: but he was asked from ESPNS robbed Amovski about Marquis 456 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:43,400 Speaker 1: Velda Scantling. You know, if you can help him out, 457 00:21:43,440 --> 00:21:46,080 Speaker 1: give him some encouragement. A Svelda Scantlings kind of working 458 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:49,480 Speaker 1: through some stuff right now, Uh, injuries wise and production wise. 459 00:21:49,760 --> 00:21:52,440 Speaker 1: And he goes on to mention one, yes he can too. 460 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:56,040 Speaker 1: He happens to be Velda Scantling's neighbor. In three, he 461 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: mentioned how the reason he thinks guys like that will 462 00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: succeed is the same reason why Gi Alexander has succeed 463 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,320 Speaker 1: in this league, because when there is an issue, when 464 00:22:03,359 --> 00:22:05,640 Speaker 1: something does happen, those guys go out of their way 465 00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,680 Speaker 1: to ask tremon questions how he worked through certain things 466 00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:10,639 Speaker 1: in his career, What did he do when he felt 467 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 1: this way? Because everybody in some regard, even though the 468 00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: positions are different, go through a lot of the same 469 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: emotions throughout the course of a long career in tremon 470 00:22:19,720 --> 00:22:21,439 Speaker 1: is a guy that has been a resource for players 471 00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,760 Speaker 1: along the way. He joked that, I mean this must 472 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,879 Speaker 1: mean I'm just a nice guy. But he also mentioned 473 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:29,200 Speaker 1: last year when he went and looked at the nominees 474 00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: for all the teams, the class and character that he 475 00:22:31,800 --> 00:22:34,360 Speaker 1: was put up with. Uh, that meant a great deal 476 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:36,640 Speaker 1: to him and being able to have his peers feel 477 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,120 Speaker 1: that he's on that level. He did joke that when 478 00:22:39,119 --> 00:22:40,760 Speaker 1: he saw that Drew Brees, one of the other guys 479 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:42,479 Speaker 1: who were finalists, He's like, yeah, I don't know how 480 00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:45,480 Speaker 1: I could compare to them, but it is something that 481 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:47,480 Speaker 1: I think you saw Julius Peppers when he was here 482 00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:51,080 Speaker 1: to receive it. That nomination. It goes a long way, 483 00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,760 Speaker 1: and I think it just speaks to the type of 484 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,200 Speaker 1: player that trumm has been in this place for over 485 00:22:55,240 --> 00:22:58,240 Speaker 1: ten years now, um in the kind of teammate that 486 00:22:58,359 --> 00:23:01,600 Speaker 1: he's always been. Yeah. Ultimately, with this Sportsmanship Award, there 487 00:23:01,600 --> 00:23:05,000 Speaker 1: are thirty two nominees, one from every NFL team. Eventually 488 00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:07,879 Speaker 1: that gets whittled down to eight finalists, four from the 489 00:23:07,880 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: a f C and four from the NFC. And then 490 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:12,600 Speaker 1: is it in that like the Super Bowl show that 491 00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,200 Speaker 1: the whole NFL honors the night before the Super Bowl 492 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:19,320 Speaker 1: is when when the league wide winners announced. I think 493 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: it's pretty cool, though, I will say this, and this 494 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:24,040 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with sportsmanship per se, but the 495 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,760 Speaker 1: fact that Truman Williams got his first interception of the 496 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,119 Speaker 1: season against Caroline and it's his first interception since he 497 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,600 Speaker 1: came back to the Packers. Last year was the Now 498 00:23:34,320 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: it remains the only season in his fourteen year career 499 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: that he does not have at least one interception. So 500 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,440 Speaker 1: he got one in twenty nineteen. I know he's looking 501 00:23:43,480 --> 00:23:45,560 Speaker 1: for more. But when you look at you look at 502 00:23:45,560 --> 00:23:47,440 Speaker 1: the year by year stats, you know, when you call 503 00:23:47,520 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 1: it up on a computer screen and you look at 504 00:23:49,600 --> 00:23:52,199 Speaker 1: the interception column and you go down and there's a 505 00:23:52,280 --> 00:23:54,919 Speaker 1: number in every single column for every single year except 506 00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:58,000 Speaker 1: for last year. That kind of that kind of impact, 507 00:23:58,040 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 1: that kind of longevity, that's that's really impressive in this league. 508 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:03,840 Speaker 1: And it speaks volumes about Tremont too. That the reason, 509 00:24:04,000 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he played half the season at cornerback, so 510 00:24:06,520 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: I can't, you know, just say he didn't have his opportunities, 511 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,600 Speaker 1: but he ended up shifting to safety, a position that 512 00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 1: he hadn't really played down after down ever in his 513 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 1: NFL career, because that's where the defense was and that's 514 00:24:16,520 --> 00:24:18,720 Speaker 1: the role they needed him to fill, and he did it. 515 00:24:18,920 --> 00:24:21,399 Speaker 1: So Tremon Williams is a great one. And when this 516 00:24:21,480 --> 00:24:22,679 Speaker 1: thing is all said and done, and I know he 517 00:24:22,680 --> 00:24:25,399 Speaker 1: probably wants to play at least fifty, but you know, 518 00:24:25,640 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: he's going to be a guy that I think in 519 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,439 Speaker 1: terms of media types and I'm sure the players that 520 00:24:29,560 --> 00:24:32,040 Speaker 1: are on this roster now that have been affected by him. 521 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:34,120 Speaker 1: He's an all timer. I mean, he's one of a kind, 522 00:24:34,359 --> 00:24:36,000 Speaker 1: and he's a guy that he came in as an 523 00:24:36,080 --> 00:24:38,640 Speaker 1: undrafted free agent, and every time you talk with him, 524 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: it's still like you're talking to an undrafted rookie. That's 525 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:42,680 Speaker 1: just not I don't want to say happy to be there, 526 00:24:43,160 --> 00:24:46,200 Speaker 1: but definitely a down to earth perspective that you don't 527 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,320 Speaker 1: always get with a guy that's been around the league 528 00:24:48,359 --> 00:24:51,760 Speaker 1: this long. Yeah, he's appreciated every opportunity that he's gotten 529 00:24:51,760 --> 00:24:54,480 Speaker 1: in this league, both in Green Baith and when he 530 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,679 Speaker 1: went to Cleveland and Arizona. Now that he's back in 531 00:24:56,720 --> 00:24:59,360 Speaker 1: Green Bay, there's there's an appreciation level that you hear 532 00:24:59,359 --> 00:25:01,280 Speaker 1: in his voice almost any time you talked to him. 533 00:25:01,280 --> 00:25:03,480 Speaker 1: In a fun story, I'll close on this. Rob Demovski 534 00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:06,240 Speaker 1: again from ESPN dot com, my former colleague. He even 535 00:25:06,440 --> 00:25:08,760 Speaker 1: was asking him a separate question about, you know, Kyle 536 00:25:08,760 --> 00:25:11,920 Speaker 1: Shanahan's coming in. Kyle Shanahan was the offensive coordinator for 537 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: a time one season with the Cleveland Browns. He asked, Tremont, hey, 538 00:25:15,520 --> 00:25:17,320 Speaker 1: have you ever you know, did you work with him 539 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,040 Speaker 1: at all? Was he still there when you signed with 540 00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:22,480 Speaker 1: Cleveland after becoming a free agent a number of years ago? 541 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:25,639 Speaker 1: He said, no, But I'm an old guy, right. Kyle 542 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: Shanahan was the receiver's coach in Houston when Tremon signed 543 00:25:29,840 --> 00:25:33,159 Speaker 1: as an undrafted free agent back in two thousand six. 544 00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:36,360 Speaker 1: I mean, just the longevity you talk about from him. 545 00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,879 Speaker 1: I I joked about on Twitter, the six degrees of 546 00:25:38,920 --> 00:25:41,399 Speaker 1: Tremont Williams. It's like every coach and player has some 547 00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 1: you know, some type of Termon Williams connected to him 548 00:25:44,560 --> 00:25:47,280 Speaker 1: somewhere along the line. Yeah. He started as an undrafted 549 00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:50,399 Speaker 1: as an undrafted rookie with Houston, and then in the 550 00:25:50,400 --> 00:25:52,760 Speaker 1: middle of his rookie season, I believe it was November 551 00:25:52,800 --> 00:25:55,959 Speaker 1: of two thousand six, the Packers Ted Thompson signed him 552 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,000 Speaker 1: to the practice squad in Green Bay and other than 553 00:25:59,200 --> 00:26:02,119 Speaker 1: and then for um basically getting into the lineup in 554 00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:04,560 Speaker 1: two thousand seven through two thousand fourteen, he was a 555 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: fixture here with the Packers and now he's back in 556 00:26:06,560 --> 00:26:08,200 Speaker 1: a career that someday I'll have him in the Packers 557 00:26:08,240 --> 00:26:10,560 Speaker 1: Hall of Fame, and about it to have another Super Bowl, 558 00:26:10,600 --> 00:26:12,920 Speaker 1: right all right? With that, we'll call it a wrap 559 00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:15,800 Speaker 1: on this edition of Packers Unscripted. Be sure to follow 560 00:26:15,840 --> 00:26:18,680 Speaker 1: all of our coverage of the team on Packers dot com. 561 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,639 Speaker 1: You can subscribe to us, like us on iTunes and 562 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,200 Speaker 1: other podcast services. On Twitter, He's at west Hot I'm 563 00:26:25,200 --> 00:26:27,920 Speaker 1: at Mike Spofford at Packers for the team account. Thanks 564 00:26:27,960 --> 00:26:30,240 Speaker 1: for tuning in, everybody. We'll see you next time.